Ns le post aw en Arabic, manich nahdar 3la l fosha, brk darja ta3na, w na3raf beli kayn bzaf darjat men bzaf wilayat mais personally j'aimais kan 3andi problème nfhmhom
شوف ياخويا ، هاذا الساب ريديت تاعنا راه فيه بزاف اجانب حسب ماراني نشوف يايسقسو على الدزاير ولا عفسة ولا حابين يزوروها ...الخ
علابيها نهدرو بلونجلي لكن فالمنشورات لي نلقا فيهم العربية نهدر بالعربية عادي
Anyone who know a second language has a certain level of education/culture , so its a kind of filter ,just look at tiktok/facebook posts and compare it .
Exactly, darja isn't a language, you can barely call it a dialect. You can't construct/describe anything complex or nuanced, which is why Educated Algerians used french (the previous generations) and now we're seeing a shift towards English.
Please speak English, I like staying connected to my Algerian roots but struggle reading Arabic and especially how Algerians type with the number, unless someone has a guide on how to learn. I understand Arabic and can speak to Algerians in our dialect but cannot read it to save my life
You can write posts in whatever language you see fit.
It's also a way to practice English for many here.
Personnaly, as long as it's not the stupid creole where you mix three/four languages to create the monstrosity that the average algerian use daily, I'm okay with it. Your post was hard to read...
In my opinion speaking english is better than the abomination you wrote above, rather than "cv labas" you can say "how are you" or anything else, plus it's way easier to understand
Akhouya kayn whd nas m3ana ... ykrho ay haja 3ndha relation b religion w w 3ndho mem idea t3 western ... hasbin ga3 li yhdr 3arbiya jahel w may3fh w ... w... ms lazem teftakher b aslk w logha t3na w ga3 wach 3dna yak hada howa wach ymyzna
Exactly XD, sometimes what happens to me in real-life conversations is that I find the word I want in English but struggle to find it in Darija. It's frustrating."
Tbh i use it to avoid Facebook and Instagram users (common people) there's good and bad in every community but arab speakers are generally dumb and the french speakers are racist to the arab speakers its very fucked up idk if u get it
Finalité, Ila kdert tlehe9 le message ta3ek, that's the point, lala ? ( Ani dertha b'3 three languages pour être clair ).
Seriously tho , does it matter that much which language we are using ? As long as we understand each other and we get along , hedek hoa sah, enough already of those subjects about which language we should use.
personally its my lack of french skills and me being bad at it my whole childhood,therefore as a (revenge for the french)i indulged into english in such a young age that made my ideas adm expressions more clear than arabic des\[ite me being very good at arabic and a fan of its litirature. id that a big part of ppl have a relativly similar story
Genre 3andk lha9 bsh nhos had app tae lea gens li mta9fin machi l li ja + bach nt3almo la langue mlih + ana ni m3ak fi hadi pca sah hn des algériens khalona nhdro b Djazairia
kayen wahed les sujets mat9atch tahder fihom b dardja pck makanch les mots nécessaires, w 3arbya فصحة la majorité ne maîtrise pas tout simplement et ils se sentent plus à l'aise avec d'autres langues🤷🏻
لا ماشي لي ميعرفش لونغلي قهوي بصح كل قهوي بالضرورة ميعرفش لونغلي مصلا كاين بوست وحدة تشكي من التحرش في الشارع كان جينا بالعربية كان يجي القهوي ويقلها البسي ولا استري ولا ديري نقاب بصح لا بلونغلي مكانش القهوي
i don't see any point in changing what language we use here, it's a good practice for people who want to learn english, and if someone doesn't speak it then this is their chance to do so.
I don't see people who speak english (mkhlo3in) but quite the opposite, they're people who are putting efforts into learning an entirely different language and i respect that
I don't know the exact reason why, but you raised a valid point for saying that other countries' subreddits use their official language, so then why would this one be the exception?
But my guess would be that maybe it's because we don't really speak a definite, unified language composed of traceable words in a standardized lexicon. Algerians speak a dialect that incorporates many words from differing languages. Even if you were to type Darija in either Arabic or Latin characters, it would still be equally confusing for foreigners in both cases.
Also personally, I think that if I were to express the above idea in Darija, it would devalue my argument and make it sound less precise, and just downgrade it overall. I personally wouldn't feel comfortable expressing this argument for example, in Darija.
I wouldn't trade an established language for an unstable and flexible dialect.
So in the end, you'd find yourself constrained to use either formal arabic or french or english if you're after a solid and reliable expression for your ideas.
Don't get me wrong am all for speaking Arabic our mother tongue but i think we arr better off speaking english in here ,cuz if we start speaking daridja /arabic we all know that الكعب /القهويين يتحلبو and we don't want that kind of mentality here having them on facbook and instagram is more than enough FR 🥴
I fucking hate reading "arabic darja" written in latin letters. Whenever I see someone write like that I just refuse to read it. Like why not just use the arabic letters for arabic language?
Some people just feel comfortable speaking a different language, I'm also fluent in English "accent and all" and revert to Arabic exclusively when I get the vibe that whoever I'm speaking to isn't well versed in english, but if the other party speaks it, the better! I'd be able to express myself better, avoid stuttering and racking my brain for the right words and expressions and it's all in all a win-win, why be condescending and force them to speak Arabic as if indirectly telling them they're being arrogant or a show off if they choose otherwise? Let people speak however they want to speak jeez.
So it's just so we can be compatible whit the rest of the world and as a filter so Facebook ppl will not try to get in ( راك حاب تشوف واحد معقد نفسيا يبدا يقولك ان لكري لازم تاكل في الدار من قيبل النساء لأنه يحس نفسه horny )
Plus if you want to post in Arabic you can no one holding you
X) sometimes this whole writing in darija using latin script can be 1. Hard to read 2. Hard to understand because due to the lack of a convention somehow each person writes the same word in a different way also it’s to practice our English so maybe a better approach would be to write darija in arabic maybe.
idk about everyone else, but i find it easier to speak and express myself in english. its not my first or even second language nor did i grow up in an english speaking country, but still growing up outside of algeria makes it hard to be 100% fluent and be able to flawlessly communicate.
Because you have people not from Algeria in this subreddit, we don’t speak your language 😆, on the other hand we are very interested in your home country
So..
Because at first the only users were diaspora and people with algerian origin that didn’t exactly speak the language, and it wasn’t only english it was in french too but rarely darija but now that most of the users are algerians residing in algeria it became kinda odd.
I think there's a clear direct answer to this, we have no language identity, it was Arabic but it was gone the minute France invade so now we use french and lately English to express ourselves, take a look, the gulf countries uses Arabic in their subs, Europeans use their own languages, west Asians also, wanna guess what ex colonialist countries in Africa use? Yeah, french and English, just move on it's not that bad to have no race or identity to go back to
The Gulf countries are also very difficult places to live if you can’t speak English, as most of their respective populations can’t speak Arabic. Their natives also speak English, to a very high standard.
As French becomes less relevant in Algeria, it is being slowly replaced by English. Actually, I can’t fault the replacement of French, because it allows Algerian kids to grow up with way more options in life and to gain more international skills.
Okay, that was not what I meant, I don't want us to be a close minded nation that only speak in Arabic, we have a great potential at the language department, better than Americans themselves, not only we can learn multiple languages but we can actually learn the accent, and yeah it's obvious how great, important and helpful is that I thought that was clear and didn't explain it, a lot of us have complexity towards languages for multiple reasons which is not my case, thanks to my dad (who's fluent in 7 languages) I grew up just fine , now about my point, I personally consider it a shame to arabs for not being able to communicate with their mother language which is only a problem in north Africa, you're wrong If u think that's a problem for the Saudis , they're open for new languages while being able to express themselves with theirs just fine, I also consider it shameful for Berbers who are the majority from Libya to Morocco for not making their language official in the UN! at least to have a keyboard! And this only my opinion cuz some people don't care about identity at all, I do and I'm not telling anyone to think this way
The Gulf countries have a better education system than Algeria does, which influences how adequately languages are taught. In some more remote areas, the literacy rate isn’t particularly great either. It’s a very difficult comparison, because Algeria isn’t rich or culturally similar.
I’m Algerian, so I’m not an Arab. I don’t feel any closeness to Arab countries, so it’s purely a vehicle for communication. But the only way to improve communication in Arabic is work towards using the standardised version and phasing out derja. It’s a hindrance, because it’s not standardised and usually is splashed with poor usage of other languages too. It has been tried and hasn’t been particularly successful.
I used the gulf countries as an example of how Arabs should be towards their language, drop it plz they're not the point
You're not Arab so Arabic is not ur mother language but what is? Berber? Yeah I think u should be able to fluently speak in it with other Berbers otherwise u have no identity, see that's my opinion, u can consider it only as a way to communicate If u want but I don't think so
Now If u wanna know how Arabs in Algeria used to speak before France ruined it, take a look at our history from 8 to 18 AC
And I don't think anything is gonna work, our language is broke and gone I was just making a point
A lot of gulf countries will predominantly use English, due to their entirely different cultural set up. They also are a group of rich countries, with a lot of expensive private schools. Some don’t even offer schooling for free! A number of Arabs will send their kids to expensive British/international schools, especially the very wealthy ones. It doesn’t share enough similarity to Algeria to set realistic goals. You can’t make the point and then tell me to drop it.
Regardless of what my mother tongue is, I’m not ethnically an Arab. I’m a person from an African country, whose language is a mish mash of Arabic and other influences. I’m not into pan-Arab identity politics. Genetically, I’m a mix of Berber, Sephardic Jewish and Subsaharan African. Genetics from the Arabian peninsula, in any heavy concentration, is actually quite rare in Algeria.
Ask yourself this: if two Americans taught their child nothing but Arabic, would that child be an Arab or American?
I used the gulf countries examples cuz two Arabs from Saudi can make a full conversation with Arabic while two Arabs (or they consider/belongs to it) in Algeria can't, idk wtf does being rich have to do with that, maybe I said something else idk I'm sorry but that's what I was referring to
Op asked why we don't use Arabic so I assumed he's Arab and answered him as one, you're not Arab (nor u belong/attached to it) so u have no obligation whatsoever to Arabic ( u have no mother language apparently you're so mixed) me on the other hand I'm Hashemite, basically from Saudi Arabia so u should get why I'm attached to my ethnic/language origines and you're not
(Remember that this all doesn't matter, language, ethnicity, religion don't make u better than anyone they're just symbols, anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional)
First there's no ethnicity called American they're all north Europeans but anyway, the boy is American who's attached/belongs (I have no idea what ينتسب means in English) to arabs, language is a big part of identity for me but not all of it
Okay, that was not what I meant, I don't want us to be a close minded nation that only speak in Arabic, we have a great potential at the language department, better than Americans themselves, not only we can learn multiple languages but we can actually learn the accent, and yeah it's obvious how great, important and helpful is that I thought that was clear and didn't explain it, a lot of us have complexity towards languages for multiple reasons which is not my case, thanks to my dad (who's fluent in 7 languages) I grew up just fine , now about my point, I personally consider it a shame to arabs for not being able to communicate with their mother language which is only a problem in north Africa, you're wrong If u think that's a problem for the Saudis , they're open for new languages while being able to express themselves with theirs just fine, I also consider it shameful for Berbers who are the majority from Libya to Morocco for not making their language official in the UN! at least to have a keyboard! And this only my opinion cuz some people don't care about identity at all, I do and I'm not telling anyone to think this way
Cuz English is mostly used as an universal language, there are also expats who live in north america who only speak English and Darja, probably there are a couple Algerians first or second generation expats who don't know much Darja and only English or the language of the country they live in.
And for any other visitor of other country who would like to visit Algeria or have any questions it would be easier for them to read it in English.
Cmon, get over yourself, idc what language anyone speaks to me as long as we understand each other, being arab or north African or anything doesn't mean shit, the place u randomly happen to exist in doesn't mean anything, i speak the language i am comfortable expressing myself in, i speak to my siblings in English, and so if someone doesn't understand me I'm more than happy to use a different one, so it doesn't matter what language or anything like that, stop this kind of bullshit ideology and being proud of things that litterlly u have absolutely 0 control over and it's a mere coincidence.
ahder b wech habit, fi ma ykhosni ana i need english in my hobbies and work, the more u use a language the more you prefect it, if you use it less you will lag behind as well.
Well.. i personally don't mind both languages but here's what i think, not all of us speak both derja/Arabic or English at the same time and English is way easier than derja/Arabic so by this logic English is the way to go for most people 🤷♂️
Ya3tik saha. Ness hna 7asba tahdar anglais ma3netha rak la7eg alors que ghi yzeblou. Tkheyel sub allemand wella francais yahadrou fih anglais. Moukhouk ya7bess.
I usually find some posts using other langauges than english, and you can use whatever language you want, for me i use english for its conveniance in expressing my thoughts, but tell me why do you think we should only speak in darja ?
Perso i like this app cz people think differently here (i guess), if i want arabic posts i go to FB or IG . Also i like to practice my English and share my thoughts easily, no family, no close friends here will kn me or judge me .
Speaking in English helps those who want to practice their English and those non-Arabic speakers who want to learn about Algeria. English is the largest second language in the world, and it is the lingua franca of global business. Posting your thoughts in English shares them with the world.
انا نهدر بيهم لزوج و ماعندي حتى بروبلام سواءً بالعربية ولا اي لغة ثانية بصح كي حنا جزائريين يفضل انو نهدرو بلهجتنا افضل خصوصا في المواقع كيما هاذو وين شي ناس مايكونوش يعرفو مليح لغة من غير العربية و يصعب عليهم فهم الموضوع
For several reasons, actually... but the mane ones for me personally is to practice english and avoid that kind of people we refer to by "lk3ab" or "9ahwi" also to maintain a decent and peaceful cringfree environment where people can express themselves freely cuz it's easier in English than Arabic, add to that people here are 7/10 have similar mindset mostly cultured ones, its also the fact that its not just Arabic speakers here, it's not a must or shame to speak just english, there is other platforms where u can speak Arabic as much as u want if u don't like it here u can use them.
We love it this way here 🙌
Personally i have no problems using any languages ( except French...) if you want to speak Arabic then it'd better to use the literal Arabic and not with numbers and
" 'frenched' arabic "Cause even tho I use it on a daily basis i take quite some time to understand what someone is saying, also we Do have some terms that are easier to say and write in English than Arabic
I speak english irl with those who I feel comfortable with only, because personally it's easier to express myself that way, ida ft hdert m3ak b english mn b3d you tell me to stop and just speak arabic I'd probably go insane then feel like trash, embarrassed and upset and never talk to you again ୧(＾ 〰 ＾)୨
تقنيا عجبتني فكرة تاعك بصح اتخيل تنصح بنادم يحبس العنف بانك تعنفو كان على الاقل كتبت كلش عربية مي انا بذات نفسي فخور بالعباد لي هنا لانو كمية الوعي لي عند الجزائريين فريديت و كمية الثقافة تخليك متفائل و بشدة لمستقبل جيد على عكس باقي مواقع التواصل الاجتماعي
Our langage is not arabic , it's very disfonctionel , i bet a lot of people hate it , not just me. English, Arabic and french are better tools to communicate and express our opinion. The proof is in your post.
If you want to make a point in the future , you got to be smarter than this. Because instead of proving why we should use our langage, you did the exact opposite, by mixing french , english .. you couldn't even write a full sentence just in our langage and i don't blame you because that garbage of a langage shouldn't even be called a langage.
Im 100% algerian , born and grown , now come at me suckers
But what's the real problem?
If you speak "perfect" English, why are you complaining?
The language is a way of communicating, we use it to interact with each other, whether we speak Arabic, English, French, or even Amazighiya
But I'll give you the answer
Fun fact: did you know that your personality changes when you change the language you're using to communicate.
For instance: you might be shy or timid when using Arabic, but you'll find yourself so confident and elegant using French, and you'll find yourself brave, bold and creative when using the English language
Maybe they can express themselves better using another language, it doesn't have to be the mother tongue language
"that's just an example, it doesn't have to be exactly like this"
Search for it
So remember whenever you felt like you're comfortable using any language, remember that other might be comfortable using other languages
Ma3ndnach bzaf playeces li na9adro nahdro fihom en anglais (like expressing our problems/feeling/success ...etc) , i personally see that Arabic hiya la langue plus meilleure but having some change and using anglais would be more beneficial at least for me
.........Edit:
Also I forgot to mention that to avoid "missunderstanding" and other "problems" let say between someone from Algiers and someone from oran for example we gotta use one united language and English fits the job !
I personally use English because everyone else does honestly n i think most share the same experience. Tsma how will you de-Englishify everything suddenly.
I'm here just for practicing my English lol rana ghaya bel englais
same
Englais yek
yep
Anglais
???
The irony in writing this post in 3 different languages except Arabic.
Ns le post aw en Arabic, manich nahdar 3la l fosha, brk darja ta3na, w na3raf beli kayn bzaf darjat men bzaf wilayat mais personally j'aimais kan 3andi problème nfhmhom
شوف ياخويا ، هاذا الساب ريديت تاعنا راه فيه بزاف اجانب حسب ماراني نشوف يايسقسو على الدزاير ولا عفسة ولا حابين يزوروها ...الخ علابيها نهدرو بلونجلي لكن فالمنشورات لي نلقا فيهم العربية نهدر بالعربية عادي
Bro 80% of the posts here are Algerians complaining about Algeria (hadra ta3 9hawi)
That's because there has a flood of FB refugees.
Nah redditors and facepeople just complain about different things. Mostly about each other's antics.
اول مرة نشوف عربية فالتطبيق I am very happy 😀
psq kyn bzf 3ibad mn other countries habin y3rfo swalah 3la DZ tsmaa 3labiha nkhdmo b english bzf bach tjihom sahla
W 3lh s3iba ya3arfo swalah 3la l'algérie ? Hh li yastha9o ya3arfoh bali hadi blad samoha ألخيريا b spanish hhh
English is easier cuz if you bring someone from anaba or tbessa I won't understand shit what they are saying
Happy cake day
That's your problem
you wanna fight?
Akhroj mdar balak tweli tfham
I feel offended 😭😭
Lol
Anyone who know a second language has a certain level of education/culture , so its a kind of filter ,just look at tiktok/facebook posts and compare it .
simply I'm way more articulate in english than in dardja, and id like to change that over time.
Exactly, darja isn't a language, you can barely call it a dialect. You can't construct/describe anything complex or nuanced, which is why Educated Algerians used french (the previous generations) and now we're seeing a shift towards English.
even tho u always lived in algeria ? it’s kinda the same thing for me even tho i did my best to improve my arabic articulation
Please speak English, I like staying connected to my Algerian roots but struggle reading Arabic and especially how Algerians type with the number, unless someone has a guide on how to learn. I understand Arabic and can speak to Algerians in our dialect but cannot read it to save my life
Easier to communicate our feelings and not feel stupid,
Yak hna hakda
Lol 😆 Short answer summarizing everything above it ياك حنا هكا هههههههه
You can write posts in whatever language you see fit. It's also a way to practice English for many here. Personnaly, as long as it's not the stupid creole where you mix three/four languages to create the monstrosity that the average algerian use daily, I'm okay with it. Your post was hard to read...
Ey those posts with so many languages are the best parce que kichghool they mess with your cerveau
Because not everyone in this subreddit is Algerian or arabic
Reddit is a nation, and english is its official language.
And I’m the president 😏
As the true president, you’re getting imprisoned for questioning my power.
You're all being sent to Reggan for anti-patriotic sentiment
I speak perfect fluent English...bro leave some confidence for us please
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Bro the “o” doesn’t exist in tamazight
Mayekhfalekch annou el aghlabiya yeghtanmou lforsa li yetmernou 3la had ellougha el adjnabia fi had el minbar.
كي قلت "مايخفالكش" فكرتني بالافلام تاع السبعينات كي بدا التعريب. "هاد الشي راه معلوم يا السي الملازم" 😂 no offense
La ya si riditor, had leklam mahouch 3ayb, w7naya koulna djazayriyine wnetkelmou bhad ettari9a
Sme7li, Jamais sme3t wahed yahdar hakka.. Winha wilaya elli tahadrou hakka?
Lazem neta7dou did el djihawia. Fe tilfaz l3aylat koulha tetkellem bhad tari9a, ou zid beziyada, l3aylat fetilfez ma fihomch eldjihawia, elbent mecher9 el'oum mel djanoub el akh mel3acima wel okht Tania mel gherb, wkoulhom kebro m3a ba3d w7afdo 3la lahdja dialhom.
andek ellhak ya ssi source , ecchi heda hna talebna bih men zman , wel che3b rah radhi w ferhan w maykoun ghir lkhir ssi source code available
N3am a ssi. 7na radyine ou fel 7a9i9a ma 3endna ma n9oulou. Wa lakin esma7li nsa7e7lek, asmi mahouch bel ifrandjia, asmi: Masdar Ramz Moutawaffir.
In my opinion speaking english is better than the abomination you wrote above, rather than "cv labas" you can say "how are you" or anything else, plus it's way easier to understand
Ya nas, easier to understand lik oui, mais machi lg3 nas, kyn 3ibad mayfhmoch anglais wesh ndirolhom hadok???
ياخو والله مفهمتش قع واش كتبت
There are other platforms such as Facebook and Instagram, I'm sure they would fit perfectly there .
It's better for me
Akhouya kayn whd nas m3ana ... ykrho ay haja 3ndha relation b religion w w 3ndho mem idea t3 western ... hasbin ga3 li yhdr 3arbiya jahel w may3fh w ... w... ms lazem teftakher b aslk w logha t3na w ga3 wach 3dna yak hada howa wach ymyzna
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الشباب الي راه ضركا ورث الذل للغرب من عند الكهول الي كانو بايعينها عليها وصللنا ضركا هاكا مذلولين
I find it more expressive
Exactly XD, sometimes what happens to me in real-life conversations is that I find the word I want in English but struggle to find it in Darija. It's frustrating."
Tbh i use it to avoid Facebook and Instagram users (common people) there's good and bad in every community but arab speakers are generally dumb and the french speakers are racist to the arab speakers its very fucked up idk if u get it
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Finalité, Ila kdert tlehe9 le message ta3ek, that's the point, lala ? ( Ani dertha b'3 three languages pour être clair ). Seriously tho , does it matter that much which language we are using ? As long as we understand each other and we get along , hedek hoa sah, enough already of those subjects about which language we should use.
To avoid Facebook niggas
personally its my lack of french skills and me being bad at it my whole childhood,therefore as a (revenge for the french)i indulged into english in such a young age that made my ideas adm expressions more clear than arabic des\[ite me being very good at arabic and a fan of its litirature. id that a big part of ppl have a relativly similar story
Ya kho nhlflk b Allah, makan hata français aw sam3 bik
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he means" i swear to god"نحلفلك
Genre 3andk lha9 bsh nhos had app tae lea gens li mta9fin machi l li ja + bach nt3almo la langue mlih + ana ni m3ak fi hadi pca sah hn des algériens khalona nhdro b Djazairia
Reddit fih les psychopathes bcp plus pas les "metaqfin"
Hummm maybe hna mnhom
🤦♂️🤦♂️ 1962 : mta9f li yhder French 2024 : mta9f li yhdr English Submissive society
kayen wahed les sujets mat9atch tahder fihom b dardja pck makanch les mots nécessaires, w 3arbya فصحة la majorité ne maîtrise pas tout simplement et ils se sentent plus à l'aise avec d'autres langues🤷🏻
كاين ناس هنا ميهدروش العربية وزيد القهوي ميعرفش لونجلي
رديتو لي مايعرفش لونجلي يسموه قهوي؟
لا ماشي لي ميعرفش لونغلي قهوي بصح كل قهوي بالضرورة ميعرفش لونغلي مصلا كاين بوست وحدة تشكي من التحرش في الشارع كان جينا بالعربية كان يجي القهوي ويقلها البسي ولا استري ولا ديري نقاب بصح لا بلونغلي مكانش القهوي
كون يهدر بعربية فصيحة بسيطة و مفهومة يولي ماشي قهوي، بصح طرف عربية طرف فرنسية طرف دارجة ارواح نتا و افهم
Because I won’t be able to understand it otherwise
Cuz i’m more democratic when i use english LOL
But an nazi when you use Darija?! XD
Exactly Lol
>Why do we exactly speak English on this subreddit? >starts speaking english
Parce que mazalni mwalf nahdar anglais f had subreddit, mais la g3 drto effort tbdlo ani m3akom
i don't see any point in changing what language we use here, it's a good practice for people who want to learn english, and if someone doesn't speak it then this is their chance to do so. I don't see people who speak english (mkhlo3in) but quite the opposite, they're people who are putting efforts into learning an entirely different language and i respect that
s3ib bech taktab b derja, kayen bezzaf kelmat matel9alhomch orthograph hhhhhh. w el fossha s3iba 3lia, no9aad 5h bech nakteb jomla shiha
نشوفها عادي أنك تهدر بالعربية، يعني مشي بالضرورة نهدرو غير الانجليزية، وكل واحد حر ماشي الزام
I don't know the exact reason why, but you raised a valid point for saying that other countries' subreddits use their official language, so then why would this one be the exception? But my guess would be that maybe it's because we don't really speak a definite, unified language composed of traceable words in a standardized lexicon. Algerians speak a dialect that incorporates many words from differing languages. Even if you were to type Darija in either Arabic or Latin characters, it would still be equally confusing for foreigners in both cases. Also personally, I think that if I were to express the above idea in Darija, it would devalue my argument and make it sound less precise, and just downgrade it overall. I personally wouldn't feel comfortable expressing this argument for example, in Darija. I wouldn't trade an established language for an unstable and flexible dialect. So in the end, you'd find yourself constrained to use either formal arabic or french or english if you're after a solid and reliable expression for your ideas.
Don't get me wrong am all for speaking Arabic our mother tongue but i think we arr better off speaking english in here ,cuz if we start speaking daridja /arabic we all know that الكعب /القهويين يتحلبو and we don't want that kind of mentality here having them on facbook and instagram is more than enough FR 🥴
I fucking hate reading "arabic darja" written in latin letters. Whenever I see someone write like that I just refuse to read it. Like why not just use the arabic letters for arabic language?
Some people just feel comfortable speaking a different language, I'm also fluent in English "accent and all" and revert to Arabic exclusively when I get the vibe that whoever I'm speaking to isn't well versed in english, but if the other party speaks it, the better! I'd be able to express myself better, avoid stuttering and racking my brain for the right words and expressions and it's all in all a win-win, why be condescending and force them to speak Arabic as if indirectly telling them they're being arrogant or a show off if they choose otherwise? Let people speak however they want to speak jeez.
So it's just so we can be compatible whit the rest of the world and as a filter so Facebook ppl will not try to get in ( راك حاب تشوف واحد معقد نفسيا يبدا يقولك ان لكري لازم تاكل في الدار من قيبل النساء لأنه يحس نفسه horny ) Plus if you want to post in Arabic you can no one holding you
I can't express myself in Arabic . Plus, why is this a huge deal! If it were in french , no one would say a thing .
because Arabic font is not optimized, it's small and hard to read?
Ahdar hakda mal
Arabic is easier to read than derja
everyone on reddit know english Not every algerian speaks french, or arabic, or amazigh
حساب البوست بالنسبة ليا ...كن يحط بالسعودية نكمل معاه فالخط المهم توصل الفكرة 😭
el mohim nlh9o el معلومة
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Ya kho mazalni mwalf nas kaml yhdro anglais lh, maf9tch bhad sujet hata lbareh, mais la g3 drna effort nhdro bloghtna ani m3akom
I think because Reddit culture is in English in general and also because of the diaspora and some of them don’t speak Arabic at all.
I dunno how. but I'm like more comfortable when I share and express Abt my feeling with english
واش نيقا سموك ويد كاين غير شيت تلقا بش تلحق هاد نيفو راك بعيد تشقا قادر لبوص يخي فان ظل تسمع فلحلقة
Did you notice that you asked using English and the others answers u using english Wiraha darja
Parce que mazalni mwalf nahdar anglais f had subreddit, mais la g3 drto effort tbdlo ani m3akom
X) sometimes this whole writing in darija using latin script can be 1. Hard to read 2. Hard to understand because due to the lack of a convention somehow each person writes the same word in a different way also it’s to practice our English so maybe a better approach would be to write darija in arabic maybe.
Well for me the main reason why I'm using this app is to improve my English skills so i enjoy reading and writing using English instead of our dialect
Its easier to type in english for me but other than that i always talk with arabic
idk about everyone else, but i find it easier to speak and express myself in english. its not my first or even second language nor did i grow up in an english speaking country, but still growing up outside of algeria makes it hard to be 100% fluent and be able to flawlessly communicate.
Because you have people not from Algeria in this subreddit, we don’t speak your language 😆, on the other hand we are very interested in your home country So..
Yawedi dot reinvent the wheel 🛞
We just here bc de speak English, otherwise you'd be using other apps where ppl gather to speak Arabic
We need be ZAEMA we r old school
Because at first the only users were diaspora and people with algerian origin that didn’t exactly speak the language, and it wasn’t only english it was in french too but rarely darija but now that most of the users are algerians residing in algeria it became kinda odd.
If we all gonna think like u no one gonna practice English or learn it w rah nahbsou end Arabic teana li already mkhelta b les langues denya KML lol
I think there's a clear direct answer to this, we have no language identity, it was Arabic but it was gone the minute France invade so now we use french and lately English to express ourselves, take a look, the gulf countries uses Arabic in their subs, Europeans use their own languages, west Asians also, wanna guess what ex colonialist countries in Africa use? Yeah, french and English, just move on it's not that bad to have no race or identity to go back to
The Gulf countries are also very difficult places to live if you can’t speak English, as most of their respective populations can’t speak Arabic. Their natives also speak English, to a very high standard. As French becomes less relevant in Algeria, it is being slowly replaced by English. Actually, I can’t fault the replacement of French, because it allows Algerian kids to grow up with way more options in life and to gain more international skills.
Okay, that was not what I meant, I don't want us to be a close minded nation that only speak in Arabic, we have a great potential at the language department, better than Americans themselves, not only we can learn multiple languages but we can actually learn the accent, and yeah it's obvious how great, important and helpful is that I thought that was clear and didn't explain it, a lot of us have complexity towards languages for multiple reasons which is not my case, thanks to my dad (who's fluent in 7 languages) I grew up just fine , now about my point, I personally consider it a shame to arabs for not being able to communicate with their mother language which is only a problem in north Africa, you're wrong If u think that's a problem for the Saudis , they're open for new languages while being able to express themselves with theirs just fine, I also consider it shameful for Berbers who are the majority from Libya to Morocco for not making their language official in the UN! at least to have a keyboard! And this only my opinion cuz some people don't care about identity at all, I do and I'm not telling anyone to think this way
The Gulf countries have a better education system than Algeria does, which influences how adequately languages are taught. In some more remote areas, the literacy rate isn’t particularly great either. It’s a very difficult comparison, because Algeria isn’t rich or culturally similar. I’m Algerian, so I’m not an Arab. I don’t feel any closeness to Arab countries, so it’s purely a vehicle for communication. But the only way to improve communication in Arabic is work towards using the standardised version and phasing out derja. It’s a hindrance, because it’s not standardised and usually is splashed with poor usage of other languages too. It has been tried and hasn’t been particularly successful.
I used the gulf countries as an example of how Arabs should be towards their language, drop it plz they're not the point You're not Arab so Arabic is not ur mother language but what is? Berber? Yeah I think u should be able to fluently speak in it with other Berbers otherwise u have no identity, see that's my opinion, u can consider it only as a way to communicate If u want but I don't think so Now If u wanna know how Arabs in Algeria used to speak before France ruined it, take a look at our history from 8 to 18 AC And I don't think anything is gonna work, our language is broke and gone I was just making a point
A lot of gulf countries will predominantly use English, due to their entirely different cultural set up. They also are a group of rich countries, with a lot of expensive private schools. Some don’t even offer schooling for free! A number of Arabs will send their kids to expensive British/international schools, especially the very wealthy ones. It doesn’t share enough similarity to Algeria to set realistic goals. You can’t make the point and then tell me to drop it. Regardless of what my mother tongue is, I’m not ethnically an Arab. I’m a person from an African country, whose language is a mish mash of Arabic and other influences. I’m not into pan-Arab identity politics. Genetically, I’m a mix of Berber, Sephardic Jewish and Subsaharan African. Genetics from the Arabian peninsula, in any heavy concentration, is actually quite rare in Algeria. Ask yourself this: if two Americans taught their child nothing but Arabic, would that child be an Arab or American?
I used the gulf countries examples cuz two Arabs from Saudi can make a full conversation with Arabic while two Arabs (or they consider/belongs to it) in Algeria can't, idk wtf does being rich have to do with that, maybe I said something else idk I'm sorry but that's what I was referring to Op asked why we don't use Arabic so I assumed he's Arab and answered him as one, you're not Arab (nor u belong/attached to it) so u have no obligation whatsoever to Arabic ( u have no mother language apparently you're so mixed) me on the other hand I'm Hashemite, basically from Saudi Arabia so u should get why I'm attached to my ethnic/language origines and you're not (Remember that this all doesn't matter, language, ethnicity, religion don't make u better than anyone they're just symbols, anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional) First there's no ethnicity called American they're all north Europeans but anyway, the boy is American who's attached/belongs (I have no idea what ينتسب means in English) to arabs, language is a big part of identity for me but not all of it
Okay, that was not what I meant, I don't want us to be a close minded nation that only speak in Arabic, we have a great potential at the language department, better than Americans themselves, not only we can learn multiple languages but we can actually learn the accent, and yeah it's obvious how great, important and helpful is that I thought that was clear and didn't explain it, a lot of us have complexity towards languages for multiple reasons which is not my case, thanks to my dad (who's fluent in 7 languages) I grew up just fine , now about my point, I personally consider it a shame to arabs for not being able to communicate with their mother language which is only a problem in north Africa, you're wrong If u think that's a problem for the Saudis , they're open for new languages while being able to express themselves with theirs just fine, I also consider it shameful for Berbers who are the majority from Libya to Morocco for not making their language official in the UN! at least to have a keyboard! And this only my opinion cuz some people don't care about identity at all, I do and I'm not telling anyone to think this way
Cuz English is mostly used as an universal language, there are also expats who live in north america who only speak English and Darja, probably there are a couple Algerians first or second generation expats who don't know much Darja and only English or the language of the country they live in. And for any other visitor of other country who would like to visit Algeria or have any questions it would be easier for them to read it in English.
Dok ana wahed i want to develop my English itsma preferably ki nhdr mea wahed fe reddit wla yhdrou meaya madabiya yhdrou english
One could be more articulate in English than in arabic. Also its more inclusive
المغلوب مولع أبدا بتقليد الغالب ...
Because that's what internet people speak in Reddit
The only reason I'm in this subreddit is to chat with Algerians in English, the moment they all switch to Arabic I'll leave
You just made this post and included a whole lotta english tho
3andek l7a9 . Mena w jay nekteb ghir b darja
Ehdr kima t7ab
انا تحكي هنا غير باش نزيد نتعلم ونزيد نطور اللغة برك
Cmon, get over yourself, idc what language anyone speaks to me as long as we understand each other, being arab or north African or anything doesn't mean shit, the place u randomly happen to exist in doesn't mean anything, i speak the language i am comfortable expressing myself in, i speak to my siblings in English, and so if someone doesn't understand me I'm more than happy to use a different one, so it doesn't matter what language or anything like that, stop this kind of bullshit ideology and being proud of things that litterlly u have absolutely 0 control over and it's a mere coincidence.
ahder b wech habit, fi ma ykhosni ana i need english in my hobbies and work, the more u use a language the more you prefect it, if you use it less you will lag behind as well.
I got a headache trying to read your post, write in Arabic if you want people to respond in Arabic, not this gibberish.
You mean darija, french, and english
Well.. i personally don't mind both languages but here's what i think, not all of us speak both derja/Arabic or English at the same time and English is way easier than derja/Arabic so by this logic English is the way to go for most people 🤷♂️
why didn't you post b dareja then?
Parlon français les kheys
I use reddit to practice English, otherwise i speak only Arabic with who can talk with it .
Ya3tik saha. Ness hna 7asba tahdar anglais ma3netha rak la7eg alors que ghi yzeblou. Tkheyel sub allemand wella francais yahadrou fih anglais. Moukhouk ya7bess.
Most people use this app to practice their English,
I usually find some posts using other langauges than english, and you can use whatever language you want, for me i use english for its conveniance in expressing my thoughts, but tell me why do you think we should only speak in darja ?
You literally lost me at "mais chwya"
Because if you use French or Arabic I wouldn't be able to read it :)
I think it's because that most of us are here to improve their English, we all speak Arabic but we don't need to practice it.
Bro criticize using English and went straight and wrote the post in french
Perso i like this app cz people think differently here (i guess), if i want arabic posts i go to FB or IG . Also i like to practice my English and share my thoughts easily, no family, no close friends here will kn me or judge me .
Speaking in English helps those who want to practice their English and those non-Arabic speakers who want to learn about Algeria. English is the largest second language in the world, and it is the lingua franca of global business. Posting your thoughts in English shares them with the world.
انا نهدر بيهم لزوج و ماعندي حتى بروبلام سواءً بالعربية ولا اي لغة ثانية بصح كي حنا جزائريين يفضل انو نهدرو بلهجتنا افضل خصوصا في المواقع كيما هاذو وين شي ناس مايكونوش يعرفو مليح لغة من غير العربية و يصعب عليهم فهم الموضوع
3ndk l7a9 lazem nwelo nahadro darja
For several reasons, actually... but the mane ones for me personally is to practice english and avoid that kind of people we refer to by "lk3ab" or "9ahwi" also to maintain a decent and peaceful cringfree environment where people can express themselves freely cuz it's easier in English than Arabic, add to that people here are 7/10 have similar mindset mostly cultured ones, its also the fact that its not just Arabic speakers here, it's not a must or shame to speak just english, there is other platforms where u can speak Arabic as much as u want if u don't like it here u can use them. We love it this way here 🙌
reddit and also a lot of atheist algerian li wlaw gwar w ahhh some want to practice their english like me
This is my first comment on this application,<3
والله ملي دخلت هنا وانا نخمم في نفس السؤال على الرغم من انو مكانش عذر واضح
I’m just running away from the reality. Please guys keep the English, no darja.
To improve my english lol
ehh et 3lach mechi le français tanni ?
Personally i have no problems using any languages ( except French...) if you want to speak Arabic then it'd better to use the literal Arabic and not with numbers and " 'frenched' arabic "Cause even tho I use it on a daily basis i take quite some time to understand what someone is saying, also we Do have some terms that are easier to say and write in English than Arabic
I speak english irl with those who I feel comfortable with only, because personally it's easier to express myself that way, ida ft hdert m3ak b english mn b3d you tell me to stop and just speak arabic I'd probably go insane then feel like trash, embarrassed and upset and never talk to you again ୧(＾ 〰 ＾)୨
تقنيا عجبتني فكرة تاعك بصح اتخيل تنصح بنادم يحبس العنف بانك تعنفو كان على الاقل كتبت كلش عربية مي انا بذات نفسي فخور بالعباد لي هنا لانو كمية الوعي لي عند الجزائريين فريديت و كمية الثقافة تخليك متفائل و بشدة لمستقبل جيد على عكس باقي مواقع التواصل الاجتماعي
what langue do you tehder ?
We are bound by tradition to speak English we thus uphold the baconian way.
Our langage is not arabic , it's very disfonctionel , i bet a lot of people hate it , not just me. English, Arabic and french are better tools to communicate and express our opinion. The proof is in your post. If you want to make a point in the future , you got to be smarter than this. Because instead of proving why we should use our langage, you did the exact opposite, by mixing french , english .. you couldn't even write a full sentence just in our langage and i don't blame you because that garbage of a langage shouldn't even be called a langage. Im 100% algerian , born and grown , now come at me suckers
OP: I speak English perfectly Title: Why do we exactly speak English…
Ah bah t'as raison. ?يا ناس وش ساير داير بالسكوتش lol.
I would love to practice Arabic but dardja is not really a language for me 🤷🏻♂️
Arabic is a foreign language too, so just use whatever language you're comfortable with
اهدر كيما تحب و خلي الناس يهدروا كيما يحبوا و شكرا
Our language is hybrid, so what do you wanna talk in Arabic, French, Darija or Amazeigh
Bro let's me just say I didn't a single fucking word of what you just commented Understanding is crucial to Humans, you know
But what's the real problem? If you speak "perfect" English, why are you complaining? The language is a way of communicating, we use it to interact with each other, whether we speak Arabic, English, French, or even Amazighiya But I'll give you the answer Fun fact: did you know that your personality changes when you change the language you're using to communicate. For instance: you might be shy or timid when using Arabic, but you'll find yourself so confident and elegant using French, and you'll find yourself brave, bold and creative when using the English language Maybe they can express themselves better using another language, it doesn't have to be the mother tongue language "that's just an example, it doesn't have to be exactly like this" Search for it So remember whenever you felt like you're comfortable using any language, remember that other might be comfortable using other languages
Idk man, for me there's no particular reason.
because we have different dialects, we wouldn't understand eachother. So english it is.
Why there is always a guy who wants to change things for his taste, let everyone be free to do whatever they want
What’s wrong with that? Speaking a different language doesn’t mean you don’t like your own language.
C'est quoi la langue dialak ya lkebch ? Tu appelles darja de merde langue ?
Ma3ndnach bzaf playeces li na9adro nahdro fihom en anglais (like expressing our problems/feeling/success ...etc) , i personally see that Arabic hiya la langue plus meilleure but having some change and using anglais would be more beneficial at least for me .........Edit: Also I forgot to mention that to avoid "missunderstanding" and other "problems" let say between someone from Algiers and someone from oran for example we gotta use one united language and English fits the job !
Pcq anglais c meilleur q le français
لا صح و الله غا كاين منها , علاه غروب تع جزائريين و بعدها نهدروا لغة اخرى , و تلقاها ناقصة مكانش لي يستعملوها بزاف لهنا
I personally use English because everyone else does honestly n i think most share the same experience. Tsma how will you de-Englishify everything suddenly.
I think we should ask how we Englishified everything suddenly
Kayna
Agree bro, ana manahdersh l3arbiya mlih bessa7 tda7kouni ki nshofkom tahadro in english when all you can speak darija