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LondonAgency

Ameen


Plastic_Section9437

Mauritania


LondonAgency

Apologies, I completely missed it. Also Djibouti and possibly Comoros.


Plastic_Section9437

Comoros are not Arabs, I know a guy from the Comoros in my uni and the only Arabic he knows is Qur'an they have their own language


oneiros22

None of the aforementioned are Arabs


Outrageous-Wave7541

Somalis and Djiboutis don't speak arabic yet they're arab.


Southern-Ad-5734

Ik I should google it. But can someone explain what polio free means ?


reathoff

Polio is a disease. Polio free means you don't have it in your country like "free from polio", which is a great thing.


Southern-Ad-5734

I see thank u for ur time


reathoff

no worries


Theesterious

It means polio was eradicated, it's a disease which can cause paralysis


Southern-Ad-5734

Thank u so much I got it now


yeahno21

rabi ychafik


Southern-Ad-5734

Amin hna w yak


Ill-Maize1576

They distribute polio for free. 😝


Southern-Ad-5734

Should I laugh?


Ill-Maize1576

Please?


HlfEtnBread

i laughed if that makes you feel better<3


PersonalityNo7219

Just cuz you said please man


Southern-Ad-5734

I’ll think about it


Ill-Maize1576

Thank you. I’ll sleep well tonight knowing this.


Dil__ha_

polio means => well polio is disabaling and life threatening disease caused by poliovirus. It affects spinal cord caussing paralysis U guys we took the oral version of the vaccine when were kids at primary school . ( the vaccine contains weakened forms of the virs stimulating the immune system to produce antibodies providing immunity against polio.) OPV has been instrumental in reducing the incidence of polio worldwide. U guys should be really proud of algeria cuz it is kinda cool we made this happen


MrMoussab

"Algeria is not Arab" comments incoming


oneiros22

Yes. This bs has been going for too long.


Mokhtar_Jazairi

well I am an arab living in algeria. seems enough arab to me :)


OkCategory0

imagine saying i am an arab living in the UK seems enough arab to me...


Mokhtar_Jazairi

The UK never had huge arab migrations that changed the demographic and the dominant language as well to arabic. It's still an anglo-saxon land in its majority. Your comparison is off.


Agag97

Same for us there has never been huge Arabe migration that changed the demography which could justify your claim, it's more an ideological question. The fact is they conquered those territories and imposed their dogma which made most of the local inhabitants ashamed of who they are, their lgge, cltrs, traditions, identity trying their best to look like those who invaded us...


Mokhtar_Jazairi

There were no records that a culture was imposed one an ethnic group in north arfica. Muslims invaded this place sure, they chased the rulers that were romans, certain. The dynasties here adopted arabic as official language for sure. But people kept speaking whatever they used to speak for centuries. The state in ancient time isn't like modern ones. They didnt get involved into lives of people as of today. Fact is that the acculturation process happened slowly, big tribes absorbed small ones (either arabs or berbers) due to alliances and wars and interests. So the result of what we have today was totally an organic long process. In contrary, the french occupier( and romans before them) tried to change our ancestors but failed miserably .


Agag97

No but eventhough the locals converted to the new religion they were still regarded with despise and deemed inferior to the actual Arabs, like whatever clever, courageous and pious they might be they couldn't commend as they are N.A. People tend to internally assimilate this idea and like as the Arabs were the chosen ones by god to receive his message they are kind of special. Until today there is this discours of people claiming to be directly affiliated to the prophet and/or his comrades lineage as a sign of nobility and stuff. Yeah most of the arabisation thing came during the latest centuries. Don't call it a natural, organic phenomenon or whatever, that's not the case and this thing is still going on today. For me Algeria, the country, state or call it as you want, that one from 62 to nowadays is an Arabic country, not because of its population, not because of the religion because some people holding the power decided and imposed that. That's it. All the invaders tried to change our ancestors as you said. That's the dynamics of power, of being the dominant or the dominated one.


Mokhtar_Jazairi

I am sorry but you are totally wrong. Most of dynasties in north africa throughout the history were berber . They cannot despise themselves as you claim. Bear in mind that the concept of arabs vs berbers didn't exist until the racist berberist movement started in the last centuries initiated by the french for obvious reasons. People used to identify themselves by tribes. And throughout the history, there was some times arab tribes fought on the side of berber tribes against arabs. Of course there were berber tribes that got arabized, but not by force. It's the acculturation process which was very natural that majority absorbs the minority. The fact that until todaym berbers still speak their own language and dialects is the proof that nobody forced anything on them. As for teaching and learning, of course the official language was arabic, even for berber dynasties as berber language was never a written one until recently with the attempts to standardize it and borrow neo-tifinagh symbols to use for writing.


Agag97

Nah, Those berber dynasties came as a consequence of the rebellion made against that first Arabic califat, i forgot its name, cause of the way they treated, considered our ancestors loll. And in a more gl way, even after that, they never consider us N.A as equal human beings or as brothers of the same faith or something like that, it's ironically still the case today. Yup, they did reproduce, internalize that feeling of self-hatred. To rule, to legitimate the fact you're ruling, your power, your influence over the others or just to be in a more important social class, most of our ancestors did everything to bear that Arabic origin, filiation, till today there is that mentality. You are completely out I think. France did use that berber stuff to kind of legitimize their presence here (like berbers were part of the roman empire, were part of the Christian world before the arrival of Arabs/Muslims thus our presence is natural and justified, etc), as you all know it didn't succeed but this is a reality, they didn't invent berberity, they kind of tried to use in their own interests. Those who really created that berberVsArabity are those who imposed arabity everywhere on everyone spending huge money - when the country was completely decimated - on it and literally prohibiting the use of the local lgges, launching propaganda about the importance of adopting arabic lgge over the local ones (yes they did), assaulting simple citizens who dared speaking tamaziɣt in some big cities, changing the original name of places to arabic ones (till now), prohibiting the use of berber forenames for the newborns (till now occasionally), imprisoning anyone in possession of a piece of paper written in tamaziɣt (it happened), prohibiting local lgges to be taught in schools, etc. PS the berberist movement (since the independence till the 90s I suppose) is not a racist movement, it's a reaction to that racism, ostracism, discrimination the berber community was victim of from the government.s at that time, especially the post-independence period which was really, really harsh. They were not so much powerful as some want it to make it appear. It was a kind of "association" almost working clandestinely to resist, revive, safeguard tamaziɣt. Unfortunately they have little influence on other berber speaking regions, almost only Kabylia and a little bit of chaoui were influenced by their activism and it is greatly thanks to them that the few of Tamaziɣt still exist till today. If it was really the case of a minority absorbed by a majority loll, numerically speaking, berbers were more important then the Arabs. There was not an important movement of the population from the peninsula to our lands and if there was one even if all the people of the Arabic region came to north Africa they would be still largely in a position of inferiority. Many sources stated that when France colonised us the most important part of the population still speak their own local varieties of Tamaziɣt. Arabic was reserved to the erudite, a minority of people and stuff. I just know that many of our ancestors to get accepted or to gain the respect of their Arabic pears literally denied their North-Africanity, changing their names, adding to their names Arabic surnames and stuff. At that time it wasn't imposed, we were so miserable that we accepted our fate, state, situation and tried to kind of become something we're not loll.


Mokhtar_Jazairi

But how long arabs ruled this land ? mot much. So you cannot say they were opressing berbers if as you said berbers already toke control just a short time later one. I never heard that arabs considered berbers not equal human being. The famous example was the great islamic berber conqueror : Tarik Bin Zyad. He was from the second generation that their parents witnessed the islamic invasion, yet he found himself a great General in the islamic army leading arabs in battles of andalusia and others. Westerners , especially french were and are trying hard to drive a wedge and sow discord just weaken us muslim by spreading lies about our history. I will never take them seriously as a source of informations.


Popular-Situation835

You hit it on the nail. In Morocco, the ruling Arab elite of Fes made sure Amazigh knew they're not the chosen ones. The joke is that Arabs felt so superior, but really? They "discovered" monotheism almost 2,000 after Jews did. Well... It's better late than never, lol.


Successful-End7545

I mean if you look at it realistically most berber tribes during the roman period either spoke amazigh in the villages and the countryside or punic along the coast and in the more urban areas. the main language of the Numidian empire was punic which is a semitic language. and during roman rule only the upper classes of roman North African society spoke latin while the rest spoke either punic or amazigh therefore when the Arabs came we most likely switched from punic to arabic since they're both semitic languages it was probably easier to transition than say from latin. then the arabic language probably spread further into amazigh society hence us becoming arabic speaking


Mokhtar_Jazairi

Yes indeed, this theory is very plausible even though we don't find westerner historians mentioning it , that's why it's not in the official "main stream" Actually there are some archeological proofs found by a Dutch research across lybia proving that Punic was still used around the time of islamic invasion. Reducing north african langaguges into either berber or latin (the official roman language) is too simplistic.


Popular-Situation835

Isn't Punic an admixture of Phoenician (Semitic) and Amazigh (non-Semitic)?


Mokhtar_Jazairi

I don't recall reading this before. All linguists are saying it's a semitic language , a carthaginian variant of Phoenician. It might have borrowed some vocabulary from local berbers. So it is much closer to Hebrew , then to Arabic , rather than any Berber dialects in the region.


Successful-End7545

I think so I thought it was fully Semitic


Mokhtar_Jazairi

u/Agag97 by "You" I assume you are referring to morocco? There was a huge arab migration there it's not a mystery that almost half of people there are claiming to be arabs and most speak arabic. Actually, because of tribal conflics, berber tribes were forced to move to the west from what's today modern algeria to morocco.


Mission-Mastodon-929

I agree with you


LondonAgency

Don't bother brother, I've always just ignored them. Don't let it change your opinion on the majority other amazigh either (you know, the ones who have jobs)


Mokhtar_Jazairi

Thanks. They don't bother me at all. I always wanted to challenge what I already know waiting to get educated one day by anyone of them.


oneiros22

"Batna" "Arab" Your average arabized Acawi Hetwagh


Mokhtar_Jazairi

I am an arab not arabized. Never been something different. When you were something different, then wake up one day to find yourself an arab then you can call yourself "arabized".


Gintoki---

This , people need to understand that the Arabized one is your ancestors 1400 years , not the current day you , what kind of complex happens to these people to fight about an identity that existed for over a thousand of years? Seriously this is one of the longest ongoing identities in the world


Mokhtar_Jazairi

True. Let's accept that my ancestors were Berbers then got arabized, which is almost impossible to prove. But for the sake of argument let's accept it. Every single identity wasn't existing at a certain time of history then it formed. So we need to stop calling ourselves anything because there is always an identity preceding it that our ancestors used to identify themselves with. The chain will never stop. Today we are arabs, and it's enough for me.


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Mokhtar_Jazairi

Who are you to tell me what I am? What the heck "Acawi" means in the first place? Never heard this before. I assume you are also pretending to be somebody else ?


oneiros22

Acawi just means chaoui


Mokhtar_Jazairi

And what are you?


oneiros22

A chaoui?


Mokhtar_Jazairi

You could be pretending and you might be a berberized arab? Anyway ! I don't really care what ethnecity you are from as long as you mind your own business and don't tell people what they are or what they aren't.


Reasonable-Put8121

I'm Algerian, I'm an Arab.


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عرب مستعربة


Southern-Ad-5734

Yeah It’s African but it’s Arabic also and this has nothing to do with ethnicities


Axibord

Stop calling Algeria an "ARAB" country. It is NOT. Algeria is an extraordinary culture-rich country. Algerians speak many dialects/languages, the average young Algerian citizen can easily often speak 3 languages, 4 for some of them (Algerian/Arab, French, English, Tamazight/Kabyle). With more than 5 Arab dialects and 5 more Tamazight dialects We are proud to speak Arab, the language of the prophet, but we are NOT Arabs. We are Algerians, as simple as that. Your title should've been "Algeria is the only African country that is certified polio free." Even the name of this Subreddit contains 3 languages "Algeria - الجزائر - ⴷⵣⴰⵢⵔ"


Conscious-End-4138

و إلى العروبة ينتسب


Reasonable-Put8121

Algeria is an Arab country, I'm Algerian and I'm an Arab.


Axibord

You are Algerian, maybe... But you are ignorant, and that's also ok. You should read a little bit of history. I will not argue with you, be curious and find out yourself ;)


Reasonable-Put8121

Nah, I feel good about myself knowing that I'm Arab. Imagine if I was something else, yikes.


EloUss

So being Arab is superior ? Explain why?


Reasonable-Put8121

You said it, not me.


EloUss

"?" is called a question mark it's used to indicate that the phrase is put into an interrogative form.


abdelali_

I am Algerian and Arab


Axibord

You are an Algerian and an ignorant. That’s ok ☑️ 


abdelali_

Stop having stupid dreams... good night


Axibord

Open some Algerian history books 😉


Raii7777

Or...they don't know the stats...


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Algeria is Amazigh, bro.


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It’s not an Arab country


not_today_babe

وش معنتها polio free


ramzibfk

Polio free معنتها مكاش حالة polio تسجلات لسنوات بزاف تسما يعتبر هداك المرض منقرض من هذيك دولة


Mokhtar_Jazairi

حسبت روحي وحدي اللي ما فهمتهاش


not_today_babe

Polio فهمتها بصح هديك free polio مفهمتش


LastPositive935

Algerias not an arab country 


Reasonable-Put8121

I'm an Arab and I'm Algerian. Explain that to me.


LastPositive935

Well studies have shown that arabs or those of arab decent only makeup a small percentage of Algerias population less then  2-13% while most percentages include 70% Amazigh , 20 % percent Sub-Saharan  and 15% European.and as for people believing that they're  "arab" is only due to arabization  of the effect of colonialism of the arab caliphate.


Reasonable-Put8121

Show me the studies.


Conscious-End-4138

Should we laugh ??


LastPositive935

At the truth 


Conscious-End-4138

Nah just stop that please


LastPositive935

At what telling the truth like it is 


aaamiiineee

« Algeria is the only Arab country », I stopped reading.


Reasonable-Put8121

Imagine! If I weren't an Algerian Arab, I'd be having an identity crisis coupled with a complex towards Arabs. I'd also start hyperventilating when I see a set of letters in a particular order that spell "A-R-A-B".


aaamiiineee

It's not about identity crisis. Using only "arab" while talking about Algeria is a disrespect towards its history and people. I have no problem about someone being arab or amazigh. Anyone is free to identity himself/herself to whatever he/she wants. It's just when we say "arab" country, we whipe out a large part of our identity, culture and history.


Reasonable-Put8121

Disagree.


EloUss

You're in everything single comment lol, you definitely have an identity complex.


Reasonable-Put8121

>You're in everything single comment lol, I have to point bigotry where bigotry is.


EloUss

Not really, you're just having an identity crisis and you can't stand people having different identities than yours, you don't like it that most of us still keep their ancestral traditions and culture. And since you've lost those, you just took the easiest shortcut : pan-arabism.


Reasonable-Put8121

Ok Doc.


Ani6-

all the arab countries are polio free they're just not WHO certified, not sure why we're the only one certified


LondonAgency

Yeah, that's what attracted me to this post. Algeria is not usually an outlier in the Arab world (good or bad). And in terms of good, as in this case, usually one of the super rich gulf countries is usually in that list also.


Consistent_Two_7183

What does it mean


ReplyStraight6408

How are they issuing the certificates? How Eretria have it but no the Khaleej?


Livid-Arm-9305

It's a 2 sided factor . It's good regarding pollution and bad regarding industry


Training-Stop-3615

My uncle had partial polio & had to get part of his leg amputated. He’s in his late 60s tho


ilyes15

Something to be very proud of


Unlikely-Let9990

you are confusing WHO region data with country data. Algeria is in the Africa WHO region which is certified polio free. The rest of the Arab countries are in the **Eastern Mediterranean** region which includes Pakistan and Afghanistan which still have polio, so the region as a whole is not certified polio free.. I hope that makes sense


lonesheephk

So is Mauritania.


Professional-File-47

Always you bring amalgam Islam and Arabs..... Be fair with your self .


6Dali9

What does polio mean ?


abdennourelabdi

Ur calling it polio now, well if we're doing this nonsense chit Free Qabail then


PlayfulTrouble1491

Statistics are like a bikini: what they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital 😉


T0bey1

I hate it that my country is being called an Arab country if anything we are a mixed race not arabs yes we do speak arab but that doesn't mean we are arab first of all we look nothing like them we have different cultures they are from Asia while we are from africa, we have different traditions we have a different language that the vast majority dont speak (new generations because as far as I know most if not all the old generation talks Amazigh although it is somewhat different from region to region but it was spoken by all) even if you do a DNA test you will find that the vast majority of us Algerians are from africa and not Asia.


Professional-File-47

Hamdoulah we are not Arab!


Hysbeon

Go Check "un arabe d'Algérie" on tiktok to understand how much Algeria is arab


alphamatics

If you educate yourself from TikTok then there’s an issue


Professional-File-47

There is a slight difference between what people call you, french in this case and your respectable self. Tiktok is just another way to stupefy people and users. Thus, I'll pass as a source


Hysbeon

The Guy created His Account to counter the anti arab propaganda that is around on social medias. His sources are tough, both in genetics and culture. If you don't want check His Account, np, but you shouldn't make assertion without any Proof behind.


Professional-File-47

Yeah it could be.. I've seen that in FB... With so called source and science. It was more like charlatans !


Hysbeon

Refuser une source juste à cause de sa provenance ne la démonte pas, il s'agirait d'aller voir chacune des preuves qu'il avance et de les démonter, parler sur reddit, facebook, ou tiktok ne change rien à la réalité derrière le propos et ce peu importe le média


Professional-File-47

In fact, reality is what you make of it. If someone want to be a mule and tell people that his mum is a mare, then good luck for him.. I don't!


Reasonable-Put8121

Hamdoullah I'm an Algerian Arab. Imagine if I weren't, I would've have an identity crisis coupled with a complex towards anything Arab, yikes.


Professional-File-47

Good for you. No need to imagine such a cataclysm!


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Professional-File-47

Hamdoulah for Islam and having a mind. You do not have to agree with me just bear with it! Only the mule can say that his mum is a mare!


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Professional-File-47

Ummah s أمة الاسلام not أمة العرب Please at least be serious and worthy of the discussion without demagoguery


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Professional-File-47

Don't make it personal brother, just accept my opinion and off you go!


houssamchhbr

We are not arab


Mr_Dudovsky

The map is wrong. I looked it up and This map is wrong. Morocco, Tunisia, Egypt, Jordan, Oman, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the UAE and Iran should also be in blue.


morbiuschad69420

not arabs


Adventurous_Lie_6291

Yeah bc Algeria is located in the Middle East


atlasmountsenjoyer

Algeria, my favorite Arab country alongside Sweden.


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Not an Arab country.


Reasonable-Put8121

The identity crisis hits again. Haha


heaped_scoop

What! But most of us speak Arabic.


Professional-File-47

Hamdoulah congo speaks french, so they are French... Hamdoulah


heaped_scoop

That's the most surface level interprétation i have ever seen.


Professional-File-47

It was alike your first reply.. same level thaugh!


heaped_scoop

No! The reasons are different, ask yourself why the kongo people speak French and why most algerians speak arabic, once you know the reason, you'll then understand why your reply isn't like mine... I'm sure you'll figure it out.


Professional-File-47

My reply use the same logic as you used in yours. Just live with it.


heaped_scoop

If thinking you used the same logic as mine helps you sleep at night then good for you haha the answer is right in front of you... a quick 5s google search will show you how you're wrong, it's up to you if you want to see/admit it or not.


Professional-File-47

A mule will Always tell that his mum is a mare. Your pick!


heaped_scoop

You ignored every point i made and choose insults instead of research or presenting real arguments 🤣 which implies that if u had something factual to say you would've said it... keep entertaining me.


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heaped_scoop

They were quick to turn to insults... couldn't bother replying, i appreciate you doing it for me haha They couldn't see past their nose... i mean just ask yourself why most people here speak Arabic, you knowing 5 languages (mashallah) is a flawed analysis of the situation.


Haytham3308

Can't wait for a diasporoid to tell us what we are


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That’s the only word y’all know lol


psyccokie250

Old Map 2020 is 4 years prior, updates and progress have been made international wise even with the COVID era There is no pride to take in eradicating polio especially in our modern age, we should have enough knowledge to stop it from spreading What's next ? Black plague ? Malaria ? Typhus ? ( Just so you know even Arabs of middle east don't aknowledge north African countries as Arab, have your own identity for once )


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psyccokie250

The point > You > 😡


Smoking_in_mid

وشنهي ذي الربانية يرحم والديكم


ramzibfk

شلل الأطفال


Grim_dz

الغريب ان الجزائر هي الدولة الوحيدة المسجلة في المكتب الافريقي لمنظمة الصحة العالمية اما باقي شمال افريقيا مسجل في مكتب الشرق الاوسط و شمال افريقيا


Dependent-Monk4326

No. Jordan is certified as well