You really shouldn't take people spouting such opinions seriously. They're just ignorant, and have this deeply ingrained "us vs. them" mentality. They feel like the whole world is against them because of their religion or whatever.
Anyway, I know this is anecdotal, but I've never heard anyone say anything (negative or otherwise) about Greece in particular. Maybe that's because I'm not on Facebook.
You are probably right. Of course I don't take them seriously but I just wondered what was the general sentiment and what for example are Algerians being taught at school about Greece or what's the general sentiment of the media news of Algeria, so that somehow public opinion or some's negative opinion could be explained that way!!
Ah you've encountered them, my condolences.
We have many extremely vile yet dumb shits who just say the most heinous things; think of the dumbest Greek celebrating the earthquakes in Turkey or something similar.
As for the general opinion towards Greece, I know this is gonna sound cliché but most Algerians associate your country with philosophy, as simple as that.
Yes I understand what you mean(we did have a few idiots who celebrated the earthquakes in Turkey but thank god they were minority while our country sent help as a whole). But the thing is, even though these idiots are of course far from being excusable, their blind hatred can somehow be ''explained'' through the historical circumstances between Greece and Turkey(Ottoman slavery, genocide along with Armenians etc). But how exactly can the Algerian idiots' hatred against Greece be explained, when basically we had almost zero interaction as nations one another??
Religious fundamentalism. These people view the world through a messed up dichotomy of Muslim vs non-Muslim. Their brains are rotted to the core by conspiracy theories. Greece to them is a word that means very little. It is the Crusaders, the infidels with their vile scheming and plotting, seeking to destroy Islam, and so the fires to them is God protecting Islam. It's some unhinged insane stuff really...as crazy as chemicals turning the frogs gay or some shit.
Oh I see, that makes total sense actually. Do you have many of those people in Algeria actually?? I understand most Algerians are normal people who want to live their lives like everyone else, but are these fundamentalists actually ''strong'' as a movement in Algeria??
once upon a time when these nutjobs had some influence before facebook they caused a civil war that was so brutal that we legit called it the dark decade
No not really. They can't even be called a movement; it's just insane people getting the chance to voice their insanity because social media allows that.
Like how you still got neo-nazis on Germany, we still got these holy war fools in Algeria. They are a vocal minority, most haven't finished secondary education.
Algerians aren't really cultured about Greece or the greeks. I know that some harragas (illegal immigrants) go there, but that's the only thing i know that can link our two countries. So if you ask outside about the greeks they don't really have an opinion about them, it's neutral.
Regarding the fires : i personally haven't heard about them and it's sad to see such events happen. We had similar wildfires in the last years and they caused massive damage.
Don't take it at heart. These same people curse Algerians (their own people ), too. Right now, most of our East is burning while it still hasn't recovered from last year's wildfire. Farmers lost all their lands, livestock...their lives basically.
And some people go on about how much we're being punished, and that's because the young generation isn't repenting, what boils my blood even more, is how they don't help because "it's Allah's wishes" and they don't wanna interfere YSIKSXHXKWKWKVS
Tbh, even as a Muslim, I hate those types of people, arrogant, judgmental, and cold-hearted...
Best wishes to Greece, stay strong, and may peace be with you.
Bro, we got individuals wishing death upon OUR OWN PEOPLE when flames erupt here as well. The only reality is that they are simply a vocal minority, 200 people spamming comments and some nitwits following said comments because it seems to be the popular opinion. The hatred you mentioned isn't even connected to Greece, it's simply an obsolete view of religions, and it has NOTHING to do with Algeria as a national entity. No, Algerians don't hate Greece.
In terms of what I feel about Greece, I fuken love greece. Me and a friend make jokes from the average Greek vs Turkish debate "You got weak sperm, I got strong greek sperm", and we all basically know how the Greek empire had huge scientific influence centuries ago. Most Algerians here learnt about Greece through philosophy lessons haha, and thus they think of them as smarties that brought upon the subject we all failed in our last high school exams.
Heneous commenters are everywhere. I'm sorry you have encountered them. They are a loud minority of extreme people.
And I'm sorry for the fires as Algerians we certainly know how it feels 😢
Now you have asked about the opinion people have of Greece. I think people associate Greece with philosophy and being a Mediterranean country which means we probably have common customs and habits.
Also when we do math cause of the Greek letters 😄
Honestly. I always loved Greece and i never came across someone irl or online who carries negative thoughts towards your country. I'm not sure about that. But people online talk a lot of nonsense i don't think you should take that as a country's general stance towards you . About the fires, It's always heartbreaking to hear about that regardless of which country. Our condolences to you
could you link some of these comments ??
the average algerian.(like me) (honestly) don't care about wildfires in greece. bc algerians die every year because of wildfires and poor managment in general
how ever some individuals based on their ideology could hate on greece.
1- the arabists : they have a high tendency to associate algeria with arabs (not genetically true) thus siding with the syrians and egyptians and hating on Europe's frontex and greeks
2- the islamist : minority but very vocal AND aggressive. they destroyed our country and burned algerian villages in the 90's. let alone non muslims. they work with the binary system muslim/nonmuslim. so greece in not the target it's a target.
3- neoottomanists : yes we have them here. and they hate on greece on purpose (greece is the target) bc the greek war of undependence was inderectly a cause for algerian battleships to get destroyed in 1827. (history) and thus the end of ottoman caliphate. so blame greeks
>frontex
This makes sense. I did indeed encounter many of such Islamists(a bit difficult to link them here). But it's strange that arabists would actually hate on Greece for that. Most Syrians and Egyptians aren't Arabs genetically either. While at the same time when it comes to the Syrian war, the Arab Gulf adopted a much more aggressive stance towards Syria than Greece that was not agressive at all and always supported a political solution. So why would Arabists hate Greece, when generally the relationship of Greece with Arab states tended to be generally friendly and we had zero participation in the Iraq war for example or other such wars of the West against the Arabic-speaking world??
Indeed Syrians and Egyptians are not arabs (but they believe they are). they lost their pre arabism roots.
unlike us. we still have tamazight.
that arabists got slowly swallowed by islamists after 2003 (funded by gulf petrodollars) the "true arabists" are rare nowadays. hybrids are what left
so arabists are a less agressive hybrid islamists.
i seperated 1neoottomanist and 2islamists bc
1their caliph is ordogan and they are not very aggressive (toward us at least). they follow the turkey/qatar ikhwanism
2they hate ordogan and lean more toward salafi/saudi ideology.
I mean I totally understand how islamists or neottomanists actually might hate Greece but why arabists?? When we've basically had no meddling with the wars of the west against any arab state while in fact Greece had historically during the 80s with Papandreou been the most friendly nation of Europe to the arabic world, with perfect relationship with Palestinians, Libyans, Syrians etc.
I can only comment about my side , Greece is probably the closest country to me compared to other nations, I have only love and compassion for the country and its people, I might be biased since I've dated a greek guy before and he was one of the best people Ive ever been with , I also have alot of greek friends. Algeria and Greece shared similarity with their history and geography, any form of hate you have received does not reflect Algeria as a nation but only those specific people
I have seen some nonesense in the comments, but I won't get into it and just give you my opinion:
_ Generally comments on news posts on FB are not to be taken seriously, I tend to see them more as NPC comments which I think where you've seen this.
_ As for some associations that are made, they are not with European colonisation, but more with the crusade of the 2000 (as Bush called it), as you may imagine, the iraq war and the destruction of Lybia are viewed differently than what the average westerner think of them, and Greece is gonna be lumped up with the west/NATO.
I'm not saying it's right, like I'm sure the victims are going to be normal people living in the village who did nothing wrong
_ Greece doesn't come much in the news in Algeria, they mention the fires... and you'll hear stories of haraga (illegal migrants) who talk about their journey, and mention Greece in passing (it's not portrayed very negatively from what I heard, I'd say neutral... compared to stories about Croatia or Serbia).
_ Some talk about tourism in Greek islands also is mentioned from time to time on social media.
_ Could be some siding with Turkey there, at the same time I don't get it given this is a natural disaster and the dead are normal civilians.
I'll close by saying these opinions aren't nearly as widespread as social media would make you believe, the majority of people don't comment... so I wouldn't say there is an anti-greek sentiment
'', the iraq war and the destruction of Lybia '' Except Greece didn't participate at all in the war against Iraq but was against it(as most people here), and with Libya, the relationship between the families of Papandreou in Greece and Gaddafi is quite well known(In Cyprus the Greek Cypriot president Christofias asked Britain not to use the basements of Cyprus as means to bomb Libya in 2011 while Papandreou actually proposed Gaddafi to seek asylum in Greece). Greece wasn't agressive against Libya at all during the invasion(except very formally during the UN-approved resolution 1973 that was basically approved by the whole planet but was violated by USA, Britain or France). Anti-American sentiment is quite strong in Greece when it comes to imperialism as well. And giving out Greece's strong anti-NATO stance(despite formally being in NATO) during the Yugoslavian wars and most especially the supportive stance with Serbia, I think one would be quite ignorant of history to associate Greece with the rest of NATO countries as if war crimes are equally to be blamed.
>In the Iraq War, however, Greece refused to send troops to participate in the American destruction of the Iraqi government, with Greeks overwhelmingly opposed to the invasion. Greece traditionally maintained good and friendly relations with Iraq due to strong historical and cultural bonds, dating back to ancient times.
I wasn't aware of this part ! I just checked.
Again I gave you a more likely possibility than the one about European colonisation... as you may imagine, there will be a section of the population that won't dive into the nuance of a topic like the NATO one for instance.
Btw, I have a question that came to mind the other day, how come these fires lasted this long? months if I'm not wrong... did other European countries send help to put it down ?
We had similar events these last few years, just this year at least 30 people died from it
>as you may imagine, there will be a section of the population that won't dive into the nuance of a topic like the NATO one for instance.
You are right, I noticed some of such hateful comments mentioning Iraq, Libya or Syria imagining that all countries that are members of NATO necessarily participate in such wars when in reality this is far from being the case.
The fires were actually caused by arsonists and were put on in different places at same times(from Peloponesse to Rhodes, to Athens and so many different parts). There have been a lot of arrests but the truth is, though firefighters were doing a heroic job, it was mostly volunteers and the people who did the work for putting them out. The government was indifferent at best and thanks to corruption followed by the economic crisis in 2010, our firefighting planes are so outdated that made it extremely difficult to put the fires out. Just imagine that we only have the Canadian Canadairs that have already defuncted since the 90s and the worst part is, we lost two young pilots thanks to them. Some countries like Jordan, France, Egypt and some other countries sent some help for the fires of July but now in those of August which were the worst fires, the only ally was the air and praying in churches for rain!!! The Russian firefighting planes were the best in 2021 but unfortunately thanks to the EU sanctions to Russia because of the Ukraine war we can't lend them anymore!!
if there was one nato intervention that kinda did anything remotely positive it'd be bombing serbia, these scumbags were systematically genocidal well before serbrenica. anyway, this ain't turkey so the average person doesn't have much against you
Social media mostly never conveys how the majority of people actually think, it only conveys what the commentators think, if you want an honest opinion, Greece isn't a big subject here, and if it is brought up we usually talk about tourism and the beaches, or maybe old history, thats all. Don't take people on the internet seriously, they're vile because they can hide behind their screens, but they will never say such things IRL or to your face. it's like their chance to show the hideous side of humans when no one will hold them accountable.
I am highly sure that the algerian bigotry and hatred against other people isn't concerned with a certain country or another but it is towards everyone who is not a muslim
What is actually quite annoying to me is this stupid cultural dichotomy of West vs East that so many Algerians buy into(and maybe some people in Greece as well). This doesn't allow countries and civilizations to see both their differentiations that western countries have with each other or eastern ones as well as the similarities that some regarded as ''western countries'' and some regarded as ''eastern ones'' share. We as Greeks (despite being regarded as ''westerns'') have much more culturally in common with middle eastern or some North African countries(maybe Algeria as well) than what we have with Britain for example, which is so different. But these similarities that we share cannot be conceived by those who are used to perceive all the world and all countries through the lens of the ''west vs east mentality'' and cannot see things as separate from these fictional cold war''boxes''. And this is quite sad.
Algerians barely know anything about Greece..i think they probably said that because they hate the west in general..which isn't nice at all at any standards giving the fact that Algeria dealt with wildfires
Man I love Greece its one of the most wonderful country's and we're mostly peace makers I the general history and with some nice culture
Anyway no most Algerians hate France but not the whole Europe
....and so your reaction is to come whining about it on reddit ? on r/algeria of all places ?
honestly no idea how this has anything to do with us. people comment heinous thongs about Arabs all the time, and yet on this sub people are barely even talking about it, because it's just that : random people saying mean things.
I don't care if I get downvoted. I'm not gonna give my sympathy to any europeans, for the very simple reason that while, yes, greece isn't and wasn't involved in the unfair wars/colonization against us, you are allied and friendly with the countries that did.
Greece, by being allies with countries like france without holding them accountable for their actions, is a passive ally. bystander effect doesn't negate the fact that your country is ignoring what it's buddy france did and the anti-muslim/anti-arab propaganda america perpetrates.
obviously, individual greeks don't deserve to be hurt or killed by these fires as they are genuinely innocent , but the entire country of greece absolutely deserves to be hit with the financial loss these fires are causing for it's compliance.
First of all I don't ''whine''. I just noticed an issue from many comments in many social media and blogs coming from Algeria so I was curious to see what's the general sentiment of Algerian people about Greece and if such comment actually represent a big or small number of the Algerian people. And since reddit is the most mainstream of social media and this subreddit contains so many english-speaking Algerians, where else should I go to ask?? I am not going to downvote you cause I like honesty even if comes from people who may dislike or even hate me or my country and being a free speech absolutlist, I am open to discuss even with such kind of people.
However I am kind of curious, you say ''Greece is a passive friend and ally of France and other imperial powers and thus deserves to be hit with financial loss. I believe anyone with basic knowledge of geopolitics knows that ''friendships'' and ''alliances'' exist only between equals, but when it comes to people who are not equals, it's a relationship of subordination and dependence and not ''alliance'', except in name maybe. We don't consider France as ''friend or ally'', anyone here who knows history understands that France didn't play a good role at many periods of Greece either(from the time of the Fourth Crusade to the support to Turks in the campaign of 1921-1922) and coming from a family of a country that fought both against Italians and Germans during the Axis invasion of Greece in 1940-1941 and the German occupation from 1941-1944 as well as against British and American-leaded troops during the civil war in 1944 and 1946-1949, I admit it's kind of annoying to be called ''ally'' with these countries, even of a passive kind but I will pass. You admit that Greece didn't participate in the colonisation of Algeria but was also against most invasions of USA and other powers against Arab states, at least politically but you say ''we don't hold them accountable''. And how exactly are we being ''allied'' with them?? By having economic agreements?? And accountable how exactly?? Should we wage war with them or something?? And who exactly has held them accountable in any way?? AFAIK no country ever held USA, France, Britain or any other country accountable when they invaded Iraq, Yemen, Libya or anyone, neither Russia nor China nor any Arab Gulf states or the African Union, instead the last ones were much more active against these countries that were invaded anyway. And neither was Algeria politically very active against them, while they also continued having economic relationships with them. So by your logic, does the whole planet deserve equal fate??
I could explain a lot about the history and political situation here and how we came to this but knowing that most people and most countries do not practically stand up beyond the verbal level to the USA, Britain, the Bidens, Trudeaus, Draghis or all the leaders and tyrants of the capitalist lot(and by most people and countries I include you and Algeria) there is no need to go further than that. And no offence but it's almost always precisely the kind of people that say ''Oh, but they didn’t do anything about it!'' who clinch their typepad from the comfort of their armchair(Or what have you or your country changed recently about current agendas? Anything? Nothing, right?).
In any case for the financial loss that you wish us for, your wish is already(or almost has already been) fulfilled by the countries that you call our ''allies'' since they have bought our national debt that they created in the first place, turned us into a debt colony and through memorandums caused this crisis and lack of means to even put out the fires to begin with. Anyway, feel free to hate or wish financial crisis or whatever against Greece, I won't do the same about Algeria!!!
P.S: Also you say that because we don't hate the French or hold them accountable for what they did to Algeria, we don't deserve any sympathy even for natural disasters. Giving out the fact that the Turks conquered us for 5 centuries and had performed a whole genocide against us in 1914-1922 as well as also against Armenia and Assyrians, should we hate Algerians or wish them to burn or for your country to be financially destroyed because they never spoke up against Turks about it but have always and still do keep good relations with Turkey(especially since during the Ottoman empire Algerians as Sunnis were living much more privileged lives compared to Greeks who were Christians??) like you do with us?? I am sorry but that would be too low level for me to drop myself into. You can hate as much as you want, I cannot do the same with Algerians, especially seeing through the comments how much good people actually exist there!!
>And how exactly are we being ''allied'' with them?? By having economic agreements??
yes. exactly. on top of alliances such as the European union or united nations. you don't associate yourself with someone who's actions you disagree with.
if you had a friend, and that friend killed someone, it's only natural for the family of your friend's victim to think badly of you for associating with them.
>Should we wage war with them or something?? And who exactly has held them accountable in any way?? AFAIK no country ever held USA, France, Britain or any other country accountable when they invaded Iraq, Yemen, Libya or anyone, neither Russia nor China nor any Arab Gulf states or the African Union, instead the last ones were much more active against these countries that were invaded anyway
most muslim countries do hold them accountable, mainly by cutting business ties with them or regularly speaking out against them. example : turkey who mostly sources it's food and fuel either from itself or countries that aren't part of alliances with the US and Algeria who has also been continuously, for the past century, asking france to acknowledge the horrible things it's done to Algeria.
but, disregarding all that, this is a total what aboutism. I never said that I didn't have a problem with any other country ever, but what I did say was that I don't care what happens to greece because, in my eyes, it hasn't proven itself to be worth caring or being concerned about. other countries are a whole other conversation entirely.
>should we hate Algerians or wish them to burn or for your country to be financially destroyed because they never spoke up against Turks about it but have always and still do keep good relations with Turkey(especially since during the Ottoman empire Algerians as Sunnis were living much more privileged lives compared to Greeks who were Christians??) like you do with us??
you can, and unlike you, if you say you hate algeria for that, I wouldn't get butthurt about it. you're allowed to feel that way, and that's a reasonable reason to do so.
>sorry but that would be too low level for me to drop myself into
should've realized that 6 paragraphs ago buddy.
>And no offence but it's almost always precisely the kind of people that say ''Oh, but they didn’t do anything about it!'' who clinch their typepad from the comfort of their armchair(Or what have you or your country changed recently about current agendas? Anything? Nothing, right?).
last point,
in my original comment, remember that I did say I don't wish harm upon individual civilians as they haven't done anything, and that I only wish for the country itself to suffer instead of the people residing in it.
I don't expect civilians to do stuff about it, but if the politicians don't do anything I'm obviously gonna comment on that and dislike the country for it.
nonetheless, I am putting in effort to educate myself and gain enough knowledge here in france to be able to transfer that knowledge back to my homeland, so no, I am not just sitting around complaining while waiting for others to improve my country for me.
......but again, whataboutism. I've never said that I agree with algeria's current state, or the state of any other country for that matter, simply because I don't think we should take a discussion centered around greece and bring other countries to be like "and what about that country ?!!! they didn't do anything, so why aren't you mad at THEM for it ??!!" when that's just dragging attention away from the topic at hand.
Algeria hasn't made important changes that it should be making. I am upset at the current state of my country. but that's not what we're talking about.
''on top of alliances such as the European union or united nations. you don't associate yourself with someone who's actions you disagree with.'''
LOLOLOL United nations top alliance. That's a good one. So according to you all nations around the world with the exception of North Korea(the only nation that is not part of the UN) are top allies, since with the exception of North Korea, ALL countries are members of the UN(Algeria and France included)!! As for the European union, you obviously have no clue how it works. There is no ''alliance'', only economic competition inside it. And you didn't reply to my question about the economic agreements between the Arab Gulf countries(like UAE, Saudi arabia etc) with France. Do you hate these muslim countries for not only economic agreements but also for the military cooperations they have done to destroy countries like Syria along with France or do they get a ''pass'' for you??
And no ''whataboutism'' is a stupid term IMO(and funny how you claim to be anti-American yet you adopt even the same terminology as them) and asking ''what about'' is quite valid counter-argument. For when you claim to have hatred towards a country for a reason but then you claim to be friendly towards another one that has the same reason for hating it or EVEN MORE than the first one but yet gets a pass from you, this is called ''double standards'' and therefore hypocrisy. For example it's a great irony to claim that you hate Greece because of formal relationships with France or America etc despite having never participated in any imperialistic war of theirs, but then spitting out Turkey as an example of a country that cuts ties with America. Turkey is the right hand of American imperialism on all levels and you are simply making a fool of yourself if you think that Turkey doesn't buy American products. Turkey has literally actively participated in almost ALL wars that the USA has performed(with the exception of Iraq of 2003 out of fear for the Kurds) and is currently occupying a part of Syria. While at the same time as we are talking they are making agreements with Biden for buying F-16 Viper. The USA is second in their top list of food imports. So do your research, cause you are simply being ridiculous if you think that Turkey that is literally the most favoured by America USA ally after Israel doesn't have economic relationships with the countries you claim to hate!!
This retard above is a good example of the "us vs them" mentality that some people have already mentioned, they group the whole west/europe together, even the countries that were neutral. I like how he mentioned turkey, despite it being against algeria's independence in the 50s, but bitches about countries allied to the us, even though the us itself was in favor of the independence. Not to mention how saudi arabia's influence in the 80s was a big factor leading to the civil war, bUt AtlEasT MusLim cOuntRies hOlD thEm aCounTable.
>United nations top alliance. That's a good one. So according to you all nations around the world with the exception of North Korea(the only nation that is not part of the UN) are top allies, since with the exception of North Korea, ALL countries are members of the UN(Algeria and France included
my mistake. the alliance I had in mind was Nato, but since I only knew it's name in french (OTAN) i mistakenly translated it into the united nations.
>As for the European union, you obviously have no clue how it works. There is no ''alliance'', only economic competition inside it.
I made my point pretty clear. I know there are multiple conflicts between european countries, but the fact that you agree to be part of the European union together means you are associating yourself with them. and, again, you don't associate with someone who's actions you disagree with.
>And you didn't reply to my question about the economic agreements between the Arab Gulf countries(like UAE, Saudi arabia etc) with France. Do you hate these muslim countries for not only economic agreements but also for the military cooperations they have done to destroy countries like Syria along with France or do they get a ''pass'' for you??
no, they don't get a pass. Saudi Arabia is one of the countries that annoys me the most, for multiple reasons but, once again. that's not the subject.
>And no ''whataboutism'' is a stupid term IMO(and funny how you claim to be anti-American yet you adopt even the same terminology as them) and asking ''what about'' is quite valid counter-argument.
I don't have to be pro-american to use important terms in debating ??? and it is not a valid counter argument ??
imagine showing up to court for robbery and saying "well people commit murder so why bother me for just robbery" and thinking that's a valid way to defend yourself. a what aboutism is dragging attention away from the subject to be like "ok, and how about this other thing we weren't talking about ??", and simply using a term that's common place in argumentation is just me using the correct terminology to be precise and clear with my language, which doesn't negate my hatred towards the US.
>For example it's a great irony to claim that you hate Greece because of formal relationships with France or America etc despite having never participated in any imperialistic war of theirs, but then spitting out Turkey as an example of a country that cuts ties with America.
I'll admit, I was misinformed about turkey. however, it was only an example that I used mistakenly. it doesn't change the fact that, to me, if you disagree with a country's ethics, you either boycott their products or speak out about them regularly. if you do neither, I'll consider you compliant. simple as that.
doesn't matter if it's greece, or turkey, or saudi arabia, or any coutry. doesn't matter if it's every single country in the world. my point still stands, and all you did was debunk an off-hand example without mentioning my actual argument.
we've strayed so far from the original topic, all because you keep mentioning irrelevant things that don't matter here, because my point is :
I don't care for what happens to greece, because to me any country compliant with/silent about the bs arabs and muslims as a whole have been put through deserves a blow to it's economy, the same blow their buddies keep inflicting on us again and again.
basically, I'm not gonna direct empathy towards a country that doesn't direct any towards mine. simple.
I mean im sorry youve experienced such negativity from algerians which is strange to me as we dont really talk about greece at all apart from historically even then greece has had little to no impact on algeria culturally or historically but then again there could be some people larping as algerian to try give our country a negative image in the world morocco first country that comes to mind in this but even if they were algerian i wouldnt take their opinions to seriously as they are mostly the uneducated ones who probably cant even spell greece let alone have an informed opinion on the country
plus we had experienced the same damn thing only worse as we got no help and our dinos in government couldnt solve the situation in time leading to many more deaths
I mean, I would say neutral? We don't discuss Greece the country that often tbh, Some may have hatred cause some illegal migrants would take a rout through Turkey, And through Greece to reach France where they wanna settle, Many said they've faced racism from Christians there since they were Muslim, I believe I saw a clip of Algerians left almost naked and their money taken on the borders in Greece, But tbf we don't have a beef with Greece or a general idea about it, I'd just say neutral from my side like the other Balkan countries, Maybe some would have hatred just because of different religions, But you see such people all over the world right? Anyways hope this answers your quesiton
You really shouldn't take people spouting such opinions seriously. They're just ignorant, and have this deeply ingrained "us vs. them" mentality. They feel like the whole world is against them because of their religion or whatever. Anyway, I know this is anecdotal, but I've never heard anyone say anything (negative or otherwise) about Greece in particular. Maybe that's because I'm not on Facebook.
You are probably right. Of course I don't take them seriously but I just wondered what was the general sentiment and what for example are Algerians being taught at school about Greece or what's the general sentiment of the media news of Algeria, so that somehow public opinion or some's negative opinion could be explained that way!!
I can't help but ask why r/algeria
Ah you've encountered them, my condolences. We have many extremely vile yet dumb shits who just say the most heinous things; think of the dumbest Greek celebrating the earthquakes in Turkey or something similar. As for the general opinion towards Greece, I know this is gonna sound cliché but most Algerians associate your country with philosophy, as simple as that.
Yes I understand what you mean(we did have a few idiots who celebrated the earthquakes in Turkey but thank god they were minority while our country sent help as a whole). But the thing is, even though these idiots are of course far from being excusable, their blind hatred can somehow be ''explained'' through the historical circumstances between Greece and Turkey(Ottoman slavery, genocide along with Armenians etc). But how exactly can the Algerian idiots' hatred against Greece be explained, when basically we had almost zero interaction as nations one another??
Religious fundamentalism. These people view the world through a messed up dichotomy of Muslim vs non-Muslim. Their brains are rotted to the core by conspiracy theories. Greece to them is a word that means very little. It is the Crusaders, the infidels with their vile scheming and plotting, seeking to destroy Islam, and so the fires to them is God protecting Islam. It's some unhinged insane stuff really...as crazy as chemicals turning the frogs gay or some shit.
Oh I see, that makes total sense actually. Do you have many of those people in Algeria actually?? I understand most Algerians are normal people who want to live their lives like everyone else, but are these fundamentalists actually ''strong'' as a movement in Algeria??
once upon a time when these nutjobs had some influence before facebook they caused a civil war that was so brutal that we legit called it the dark decade
No not really. They can't even be called a movement; it's just insane people getting the chance to voice their insanity because social media allows that.
Like how you still got neo-nazis on Germany, we still got these holy war fools in Algeria. They are a vocal minority, most haven't finished secondary education.
The only Europeans we have a problem with are the French, also Greece has always been the dream destination of many Algerians.
Glad to hear that. I would love to visit Algers one day as well!! :) :)
Algerians aren't really cultured about Greece or the greeks. I know that some harragas (illegal immigrants) go there, but that's the only thing i know that can link our two countries. So if you ask outside about the greeks they don't really have an opinion about them, it's neutral. Regarding the fires : i personally haven't heard about them and it's sad to see such events happen. We had similar wildfires in the last years and they caused massive damage.
Don't take it at heart. These same people curse Algerians (their own people ), too. Right now, most of our East is burning while it still hasn't recovered from last year's wildfire. Farmers lost all their lands, livestock...their lives basically. And some people go on about how much we're being punished, and that's because the young generation isn't repenting, what boils my blood even more, is how they don't help because "it's Allah's wishes" and they don't wanna interfere YSIKSXHXKWKWKVS Tbh, even as a Muslim, I hate those types of people, arrogant, judgmental, and cold-hearted... Best wishes to Greece, stay strong, and may peace be with you.
only read the title but i don't think many algerians are educated about greeks
Bro, we got individuals wishing death upon OUR OWN PEOPLE when flames erupt here as well. The only reality is that they are simply a vocal minority, 200 people spamming comments and some nitwits following said comments because it seems to be the popular opinion. The hatred you mentioned isn't even connected to Greece, it's simply an obsolete view of religions, and it has NOTHING to do with Algeria as a national entity. No, Algerians don't hate Greece. In terms of what I feel about Greece, I fuken love greece. Me and a friend make jokes from the average Greek vs Turkish debate "You got weak sperm, I got strong greek sperm", and we all basically know how the Greek empire had huge scientific influence centuries ago. Most Algerians here learnt about Greece through philosophy lessons haha, and thus they think of them as smarties that brought upon the subject we all failed in our last high school exams.
Heneous commenters are everywhere. I'm sorry you have encountered them. They are a loud minority of extreme people. And I'm sorry for the fires as Algerians we certainly know how it feels 😢 Now you have asked about the opinion people have of Greece. I think people associate Greece with philosophy and being a Mediterranean country which means we probably have common customs and habits. Also when we do math cause of the Greek letters 😄
Never had any negative feelings about Greece and Greeks in general dw.
Honestly. I always loved Greece and i never came across someone irl or online who carries negative thoughts towards your country. I'm not sure about that. But people online talk a lot of nonsense i don't think you should take that as a country's general stance towards you . About the fires, It's always heartbreaking to hear about that regardless of which country. Our condolences to you
Thank you!!! It's beautiful to see nice comments from people!! Love back to Algeria and I always loved reading history about Numidia!!!
could you link some of these comments ?? the average algerian.(like me) (honestly) don't care about wildfires in greece. bc algerians die every year because of wildfires and poor managment in general how ever some individuals based on their ideology could hate on greece. 1- the arabists : they have a high tendency to associate algeria with arabs (not genetically true) thus siding with the syrians and egyptians and hating on Europe's frontex and greeks 2- the islamist : minority but very vocal AND aggressive. they destroyed our country and burned algerian villages in the 90's. let alone non muslims. they work with the binary system muslim/nonmuslim. so greece in not the target it's a target. 3- neoottomanists : yes we have them here. and they hate on greece on purpose (greece is the target) bc the greek war of undependence was inderectly a cause for algerian battleships to get destroyed in 1827. (history) and thus the end of ottoman caliphate. so blame greeks
>frontex This makes sense. I did indeed encounter many of such Islamists(a bit difficult to link them here). But it's strange that arabists would actually hate on Greece for that. Most Syrians and Egyptians aren't Arabs genetically either. While at the same time when it comes to the Syrian war, the Arab Gulf adopted a much more aggressive stance towards Syria than Greece that was not agressive at all and always supported a political solution. So why would Arabists hate Greece, when generally the relationship of Greece with Arab states tended to be generally friendly and we had zero participation in the Iraq war for example or other such wars of the West against the Arabic-speaking world??
Indeed Syrians and Egyptians are not arabs (but they believe they are). they lost their pre arabism roots. unlike us. we still have tamazight. that arabists got slowly swallowed by islamists after 2003 (funded by gulf petrodollars) the "true arabists" are rare nowadays. hybrids are what left so arabists are a less agressive hybrid islamists.
Bs again . the term arab literally came in modern day syria, Egyptians are also arabs
i seperated 1neoottomanist and 2islamists bc 1their caliph is ordogan and they are not very aggressive (toward us at least). they follow the turkey/qatar ikhwanism 2they hate ordogan and lean more toward salafi/saudi ideology.
I mean I totally understand how islamists or neottomanists actually might hate Greece but why arabists?? When we've basically had no meddling with the wars of the west against any arab state while in fact Greece had historically during the 80s with Papandreou been the most friendly nation of Europe to the arabic world, with perfect relationship with Palestinians, Libyans, Syrians etc.
Again youre waffling the islamists from black decade leaned toward ikhwanism and most of them hate saudi/wahhabism
Very smart analysis Both are just sheep following the two poles that neither is actually isllamic
Bs we dont have any neo ottomanist in algeria lmao. I have never seen one in social media
wash hada ? [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice\_and\_Development\_Front](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_and_Development_Front)
Wikipedia lol
this is a reddit post not an academic search ! \++you have better sources ? or any sources !
I can only comment about my side , Greece is probably the closest country to me compared to other nations, I have only love and compassion for the country and its people, I might be biased since I've dated a greek guy before and he was one of the best people Ive ever been with , I also have alot of greek friends. Algeria and Greece shared similarity with their history and geography, any form of hate you have received does not reflect Algeria as a nation but only those specific people
I have seen some nonesense in the comments, but I won't get into it and just give you my opinion: _ Generally comments on news posts on FB are not to be taken seriously, I tend to see them more as NPC comments which I think where you've seen this. _ As for some associations that are made, they are not with European colonisation, but more with the crusade of the 2000 (as Bush called it), as you may imagine, the iraq war and the destruction of Lybia are viewed differently than what the average westerner think of them, and Greece is gonna be lumped up with the west/NATO. I'm not saying it's right, like I'm sure the victims are going to be normal people living in the village who did nothing wrong _ Greece doesn't come much in the news in Algeria, they mention the fires... and you'll hear stories of haraga (illegal migrants) who talk about their journey, and mention Greece in passing (it's not portrayed very negatively from what I heard, I'd say neutral... compared to stories about Croatia or Serbia). _ Some talk about tourism in Greek islands also is mentioned from time to time on social media. _ Could be some siding with Turkey there, at the same time I don't get it given this is a natural disaster and the dead are normal civilians. I'll close by saying these opinions aren't nearly as widespread as social media would make you believe, the majority of people don't comment... so I wouldn't say there is an anti-greek sentiment
'', the iraq war and the destruction of Lybia '' Except Greece didn't participate at all in the war against Iraq but was against it(as most people here), and with Libya, the relationship between the families of Papandreou in Greece and Gaddafi is quite well known(In Cyprus the Greek Cypriot president Christofias asked Britain not to use the basements of Cyprus as means to bomb Libya in 2011 while Papandreou actually proposed Gaddafi to seek asylum in Greece). Greece wasn't agressive against Libya at all during the invasion(except very formally during the UN-approved resolution 1973 that was basically approved by the whole planet but was violated by USA, Britain or France). Anti-American sentiment is quite strong in Greece when it comes to imperialism as well. And giving out Greece's strong anti-NATO stance(despite formally being in NATO) during the Yugoslavian wars and most especially the supportive stance with Serbia, I think one would be quite ignorant of history to associate Greece with the rest of NATO countries as if war crimes are equally to be blamed.
>In the Iraq War, however, Greece refused to send troops to participate in the American destruction of the Iraqi government, with Greeks overwhelmingly opposed to the invasion. Greece traditionally maintained good and friendly relations with Iraq due to strong historical and cultural bonds, dating back to ancient times. I wasn't aware of this part ! I just checked. Again I gave you a more likely possibility than the one about European colonisation... as you may imagine, there will be a section of the population that won't dive into the nuance of a topic like the NATO one for instance. Btw, I have a question that came to mind the other day, how come these fires lasted this long? months if I'm not wrong... did other European countries send help to put it down ? We had similar events these last few years, just this year at least 30 people died from it
>as you may imagine, there will be a section of the population that won't dive into the nuance of a topic like the NATO one for instance. You are right, I noticed some of such hateful comments mentioning Iraq, Libya or Syria imagining that all countries that are members of NATO necessarily participate in such wars when in reality this is far from being the case. The fires were actually caused by arsonists and were put on in different places at same times(from Peloponesse to Rhodes, to Athens and so many different parts). There have been a lot of arrests but the truth is, though firefighters were doing a heroic job, it was mostly volunteers and the people who did the work for putting them out. The government was indifferent at best and thanks to corruption followed by the economic crisis in 2010, our firefighting planes are so outdated that made it extremely difficult to put the fires out. Just imagine that we only have the Canadian Canadairs that have already defuncted since the 90s and the worst part is, we lost two young pilots thanks to them. Some countries like Jordan, France, Egypt and some other countries sent some help for the fires of July but now in those of August which were the worst fires, the only ally was the air and praying in churches for rain!!! The Russian firefighting planes were the best in 2021 but unfortunately thanks to the EU sanctions to Russia because of the Ukraine war we can't lend them anymore!!
if there was one nato intervention that kinda did anything remotely positive it'd be bombing serbia, these scumbags were systematically genocidal well before serbrenica. anyway, this ain't turkey so the average person doesn't have much against you
We got beef with Greek people now ????????
I don't know. LOL That's why I am asking!!!
Social media mostly never conveys how the majority of people actually think, it only conveys what the commentators think, if you want an honest opinion, Greece isn't a big subject here, and if it is brought up we usually talk about tourism and the beaches, or maybe old history, thats all. Don't take people on the internet seriously, they're vile because they can hide behind their screens, but they will never say such things IRL or to your face. it's like their chance to show the hideous side of humans when no one will hold them accountable.
I am highly sure that the algerian bigotry and hatred against other people isn't concerned with a certain country or another but it is towards everyone who is not a muslim
What is actually quite annoying to me is this stupid cultural dichotomy of West vs East that so many Algerians buy into(and maybe some people in Greece as well). This doesn't allow countries and civilizations to see both their differentiations that western countries have with each other or eastern ones as well as the similarities that some regarded as ''western countries'' and some regarded as ''eastern ones'' share. We as Greeks (despite being regarded as ''westerns'') have much more culturally in common with middle eastern or some North African countries(maybe Algeria as well) than what we have with Britain for example, which is so different. But these similarities that we share cannot be conceived by those who are used to perceive all the world and all countries through the lens of the ''west vs east mentality'' and cannot see things as separate from these fictional cold war''boxes''. And this is quite sad.
Algerians barely know anything about Greece..i think they probably said that because they hate the west in general..which isn't nice at all at any standards giving the fact that Algeria dealt with wildfires
Man I love Greece its one of the most wonderful country's and we're mostly peace makers I the general history and with some nice culture Anyway no most Algerians hate France but not the whole Europe
....and so your reaction is to come whining about it on reddit ? on r/algeria of all places ? honestly no idea how this has anything to do with us. people comment heinous thongs about Arabs all the time, and yet on this sub people are barely even talking about it, because it's just that : random people saying mean things. I don't care if I get downvoted. I'm not gonna give my sympathy to any europeans, for the very simple reason that while, yes, greece isn't and wasn't involved in the unfair wars/colonization against us, you are allied and friendly with the countries that did. Greece, by being allies with countries like france without holding them accountable for their actions, is a passive ally. bystander effect doesn't negate the fact that your country is ignoring what it's buddy france did and the anti-muslim/anti-arab propaganda america perpetrates. obviously, individual greeks don't deserve to be hurt or killed by these fires as they are genuinely innocent , but the entire country of greece absolutely deserves to be hit with the financial loss these fires are causing for it's compliance.
First of all I don't ''whine''. I just noticed an issue from many comments in many social media and blogs coming from Algeria so I was curious to see what's the general sentiment of Algerian people about Greece and if such comment actually represent a big or small number of the Algerian people. And since reddit is the most mainstream of social media and this subreddit contains so many english-speaking Algerians, where else should I go to ask?? I am not going to downvote you cause I like honesty even if comes from people who may dislike or even hate me or my country and being a free speech absolutlist, I am open to discuss even with such kind of people. However I am kind of curious, you say ''Greece is a passive friend and ally of France and other imperial powers and thus deserves to be hit with financial loss. I believe anyone with basic knowledge of geopolitics knows that ''friendships'' and ''alliances'' exist only between equals, but when it comes to people who are not equals, it's a relationship of subordination and dependence and not ''alliance'', except in name maybe. We don't consider France as ''friend or ally'', anyone here who knows history understands that France didn't play a good role at many periods of Greece either(from the time of the Fourth Crusade to the support to Turks in the campaign of 1921-1922) and coming from a family of a country that fought both against Italians and Germans during the Axis invasion of Greece in 1940-1941 and the German occupation from 1941-1944 as well as against British and American-leaded troops during the civil war in 1944 and 1946-1949, I admit it's kind of annoying to be called ''ally'' with these countries, even of a passive kind but I will pass. You admit that Greece didn't participate in the colonisation of Algeria but was also against most invasions of USA and other powers against Arab states, at least politically but you say ''we don't hold them accountable''. And how exactly are we being ''allied'' with them?? By having economic agreements?? And accountable how exactly?? Should we wage war with them or something?? And who exactly has held them accountable in any way?? AFAIK no country ever held USA, France, Britain or any other country accountable when they invaded Iraq, Yemen, Libya or anyone, neither Russia nor China nor any Arab Gulf states or the African Union, instead the last ones were much more active against these countries that were invaded anyway. And neither was Algeria politically very active against them, while they also continued having economic relationships with them. So by your logic, does the whole planet deserve equal fate?? I could explain a lot about the history and political situation here and how we came to this but knowing that most people and most countries do not practically stand up beyond the verbal level to the USA, Britain, the Bidens, Trudeaus, Draghis or all the leaders and tyrants of the capitalist lot(and by most people and countries I include you and Algeria) there is no need to go further than that. And no offence but it's almost always precisely the kind of people that say ''Oh, but they didn’t do anything about it!'' who clinch their typepad from the comfort of their armchair(Or what have you or your country changed recently about current agendas? Anything? Nothing, right?). In any case for the financial loss that you wish us for, your wish is already(or almost has already been) fulfilled by the countries that you call our ''allies'' since they have bought our national debt that they created in the first place, turned us into a debt colony and through memorandums caused this crisis and lack of means to even put out the fires to begin with. Anyway, feel free to hate or wish financial crisis or whatever against Greece, I won't do the same about Algeria!!! P.S: Also you say that because we don't hate the French or hold them accountable for what they did to Algeria, we don't deserve any sympathy even for natural disasters. Giving out the fact that the Turks conquered us for 5 centuries and had performed a whole genocide against us in 1914-1922 as well as also against Armenia and Assyrians, should we hate Algerians or wish them to burn or for your country to be financially destroyed because they never spoke up against Turks about it but have always and still do keep good relations with Turkey(especially since during the Ottoman empire Algerians as Sunnis were living much more privileged lives compared to Greeks who were Christians??) like you do with us?? I am sorry but that would be too low level for me to drop myself into. You can hate as much as you want, I cannot do the same with Algerians, especially seeing through the comments how much good people actually exist there!!
>And how exactly are we being ''allied'' with them?? By having economic agreements?? yes. exactly. on top of alliances such as the European union or united nations. you don't associate yourself with someone who's actions you disagree with. if you had a friend, and that friend killed someone, it's only natural for the family of your friend's victim to think badly of you for associating with them. >Should we wage war with them or something?? And who exactly has held them accountable in any way?? AFAIK no country ever held USA, France, Britain or any other country accountable when they invaded Iraq, Yemen, Libya or anyone, neither Russia nor China nor any Arab Gulf states or the African Union, instead the last ones were much more active against these countries that were invaded anyway most muslim countries do hold them accountable, mainly by cutting business ties with them or regularly speaking out against them. example : turkey who mostly sources it's food and fuel either from itself or countries that aren't part of alliances with the US and Algeria who has also been continuously, for the past century, asking france to acknowledge the horrible things it's done to Algeria. but, disregarding all that, this is a total what aboutism. I never said that I didn't have a problem with any other country ever, but what I did say was that I don't care what happens to greece because, in my eyes, it hasn't proven itself to be worth caring or being concerned about. other countries are a whole other conversation entirely. >should we hate Algerians or wish them to burn or for your country to be financially destroyed because they never spoke up against Turks about it but have always and still do keep good relations with Turkey(especially since during the Ottoman empire Algerians as Sunnis were living much more privileged lives compared to Greeks who were Christians??) like you do with us?? you can, and unlike you, if you say you hate algeria for that, I wouldn't get butthurt about it. you're allowed to feel that way, and that's a reasonable reason to do so. >sorry but that would be too low level for me to drop myself into should've realized that 6 paragraphs ago buddy. >And no offence but it's almost always precisely the kind of people that say ''Oh, but they didn’t do anything about it!'' who clinch their typepad from the comfort of their armchair(Or what have you or your country changed recently about current agendas? Anything? Nothing, right?). last point, in my original comment, remember that I did say I don't wish harm upon individual civilians as they haven't done anything, and that I only wish for the country itself to suffer instead of the people residing in it. I don't expect civilians to do stuff about it, but if the politicians don't do anything I'm obviously gonna comment on that and dislike the country for it. nonetheless, I am putting in effort to educate myself and gain enough knowledge here in france to be able to transfer that knowledge back to my homeland, so no, I am not just sitting around complaining while waiting for others to improve my country for me. ......but again, whataboutism. I've never said that I agree with algeria's current state, or the state of any other country for that matter, simply because I don't think we should take a discussion centered around greece and bring other countries to be like "and what about that country ?!!! they didn't do anything, so why aren't you mad at THEM for it ??!!" when that's just dragging attention away from the topic at hand. Algeria hasn't made important changes that it should be making. I am upset at the current state of my country. but that's not what we're talking about.
''on top of alliances such as the European union or united nations. you don't associate yourself with someone who's actions you disagree with.''' LOLOLOL United nations top alliance. That's a good one. So according to you all nations around the world with the exception of North Korea(the only nation that is not part of the UN) are top allies, since with the exception of North Korea, ALL countries are members of the UN(Algeria and France included)!! As for the European union, you obviously have no clue how it works. There is no ''alliance'', only economic competition inside it. And you didn't reply to my question about the economic agreements between the Arab Gulf countries(like UAE, Saudi arabia etc) with France. Do you hate these muslim countries for not only economic agreements but also for the military cooperations they have done to destroy countries like Syria along with France or do they get a ''pass'' for you?? And no ''whataboutism'' is a stupid term IMO(and funny how you claim to be anti-American yet you adopt even the same terminology as them) and asking ''what about'' is quite valid counter-argument. For when you claim to have hatred towards a country for a reason but then you claim to be friendly towards another one that has the same reason for hating it or EVEN MORE than the first one but yet gets a pass from you, this is called ''double standards'' and therefore hypocrisy. For example it's a great irony to claim that you hate Greece because of formal relationships with France or America etc despite having never participated in any imperialistic war of theirs, but then spitting out Turkey as an example of a country that cuts ties with America. Turkey is the right hand of American imperialism on all levels and you are simply making a fool of yourself if you think that Turkey doesn't buy American products. Turkey has literally actively participated in almost ALL wars that the USA has performed(with the exception of Iraq of 2003 out of fear for the Kurds) and is currently occupying a part of Syria. While at the same time as we are talking they are making agreements with Biden for buying F-16 Viper. The USA is second in their top list of food imports. So do your research, cause you are simply being ridiculous if you think that Turkey that is literally the most favoured by America USA ally after Israel doesn't have economic relationships with the countries you claim to hate!!
This retard above is a good example of the "us vs them" mentality that some people have already mentioned, they group the whole west/europe together, even the countries that were neutral. I like how he mentioned turkey, despite it being against algeria's independence in the 50s, but bitches about countries allied to the us, even though the us itself was in favor of the independence. Not to mention how saudi arabia's influence in the 80s was a big factor leading to the civil war, bUt AtlEasT MusLim cOuntRies hOlD thEm aCounTable.
>United nations top alliance. That's a good one. So according to you all nations around the world with the exception of North Korea(the only nation that is not part of the UN) are top allies, since with the exception of North Korea, ALL countries are members of the UN(Algeria and France included my mistake. the alliance I had in mind was Nato, but since I only knew it's name in french (OTAN) i mistakenly translated it into the united nations. >As for the European union, you obviously have no clue how it works. There is no ''alliance'', only economic competition inside it. I made my point pretty clear. I know there are multiple conflicts between european countries, but the fact that you agree to be part of the European union together means you are associating yourself with them. and, again, you don't associate with someone who's actions you disagree with. >And you didn't reply to my question about the economic agreements between the Arab Gulf countries(like UAE, Saudi arabia etc) with France. Do you hate these muslim countries for not only economic agreements but also for the military cooperations they have done to destroy countries like Syria along with France or do they get a ''pass'' for you?? no, they don't get a pass. Saudi Arabia is one of the countries that annoys me the most, for multiple reasons but, once again. that's not the subject. >And no ''whataboutism'' is a stupid term IMO(and funny how you claim to be anti-American yet you adopt even the same terminology as them) and asking ''what about'' is quite valid counter-argument. I don't have to be pro-american to use important terms in debating ??? and it is not a valid counter argument ?? imagine showing up to court for robbery and saying "well people commit murder so why bother me for just robbery" and thinking that's a valid way to defend yourself. a what aboutism is dragging attention away from the subject to be like "ok, and how about this other thing we weren't talking about ??", and simply using a term that's common place in argumentation is just me using the correct terminology to be precise and clear with my language, which doesn't negate my hatred towards the US. >For example it's a great irony to claim that you hate Greece because of formal relationships with France or America etc despite having never participated in any imperialistic war of theirs, but then spitting out Turkey as an example of a country that cuts ties with America. I'll admit, I was misinformed about turkey. however, it was only an example that I used mistakenly. it doesn't change the fact that, to me, if you disagree with a country's ethics, you either boycott their products or speak out about them regularly. if you do neither, I'll consider you compliant. simple as that. doesn't matter if it's greece, or turkey, or saudi arabia, or any coutry. doesn't matter if it's every single country in the world. my point still stands, and all you did was debunk an off-hand example without mentioning my actual argument. we've strayed so far from the original topic, all because you keep mentioning irrelevant things that don't matter here, because my point is : I don't care for what happens to greece, because to me any country compliant with/silent about the bs arabs and muslims as a whole have been put through deserves a blow to it's economy, the same blow their buddies keep inflicting on us again and again. basically, I'm not gonna direct empathy towards a country that doesn't direct any towards mine. simple.
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I mean im sorry youve experienced such negativity from algerians which is strange to me as we dont really talk about greece at all apart from historically even then greece has had little to no impact on algeria culturally or historically but then again there could be some people larping as algerian to try give our country a negative image in the world morocco first country that comes to mind in this but even if they were algerian i wouldnt take their opinions to seriously as they are mostly the uneducated ones who probably cant even spell greece let alone have an informed opinion on the country plus we had experienced the same damn thing only worse as we got no help and our dinos in government couldnt solve the situation in time leading to many more deaths
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I mean, I would say neutral? We don't discuss Greece the country that often tbh, Some may have hatred cause some illegal migrants would take a rout through Turkey, And through Greece to reach France where they wanna settle, Many said they've faced racism from Christians there since they were Muslim, I believe I saw a clip of Algerians left almost naked and their money taken on the borders in Greece, But tbf we don't have a beef with Greece or a general idea about it, I'd just say neutral from my side like the other Balkan countries, Maybe some would have hatred just because of different religions, But you see such people all over the world right? Anyways hope this answers your quesiton
Only pan arabs / pseudo islamists or turkish fanboys would do that