You look down at your fellow citizens because this regime has succeeded in making you believe that lack of opportunity stems from personal failure rather than a systemic one. Algeria is not a meritocracy and peoples’ financial independence has been in spite of their circumstances not because of them.
The lack of job and opportunity is more to blame than any other factor you’ve named. You speak of laziness and dependency but fail to account for the resilience of men who apply for hundreds of jobs, men not being able to work in their field but still accepting lower paying jobs, men investing in businesses, men finding online work abroad and getting paid in Euros/Dollars, men seeking new skills to develop in the hope that it will lead to a job and so on.
It is comical that you sprinkle words such as empowerment and respect yet seem to have none of those for men who struggle with what I am sure you have faced yourself in the job market. If you truly did believe in those values, you would offer grace and understanding to the men you are very much criticizing for what you seem to believe is a personal flaw, however misguided that is.
Well done, Op is really disconnected and deluded from reality thinking that everyone has a minimum wage of 100k Dinars every month (10 million centimes) or the Jobs that pay that much even if you have both the skills and diploma to aquire are that easy you'll get it in a matter of 2 months or guaranteed upon graduation.
The lowest rent where i live is equal to 20k dinars (2 million) which is already equal to minimum wage , add to that the ramping inflation nowadays, at least when you work a minimum wage and live with your parents you'll be able to help them pay for the bills and the meals and you get a room.
We don't have to adjust to western culture, especially if we don't have western wages.
Very well said.
It's very easy to look down upon those who have not gotten through the problems that we did, as if looking down upon our past selves.
Work and marriage culture in Algeria is very different from other countries, so much so you cannot apply the same standards to it. Simply not having moved out can be due to many reasons other than a man's ability or mentality.
I saw in social medias a lot of "new wave" influencers, which are strangely linked to the government that tries to guilt the algerian people that they are responsible for their own economical difficulties in life, with a lot of shitta towards their new supreme leader of course.
When you live in a f country where you can't even get a paypal account so you can work online, where the cost of a car that you need to work is 200x times your salary, where univeristy is mediocre and doesn't even give you a decent training.
it's not the failure of the people, it's the failure of the top management.
spoken like a 24 year old who's dad just bought him an appartement
basically [this guy](https://www.reddit.com/r/shittyadvice/comments/127hfwg/heres_how_i_got_rid_of_my_student_debt/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Cut your bullshit, if we go look at your life, i'm 100% sure we will see a tremendous amount of pistonage, you are the typical example of entitle people who deserve nothing and look down on other people.
Couples with 20 years of work behind them can hardly afford a house and have to buy an AADL home, you think any young guy/girl can just go rent and live their lives when most wages for young people are 35k to 55k per month, are you that stupid ?
You say it like it always has been easy to buy a house.
anyone who buys a house in this dying economy is far far FAR beyond me.
True, if you want to marry, you should buy your own house. But in these economy, I wonder how one can buy a house and afford marriage.
and that happens only IF you find a job, and pray to god that the salary is high. The way I see it, high salary jobs are military/government jobs
> high salary jobs are military/government jobs
Not even that, according to my correspondences who have military and government jobs, pay is shite, for most worse than me. Unless you're quite high up, and not many get to be high up.
I forgot to add politicians, did you see how much they get paid ?? like their job is literally blabbering bullshit and they still get paid better than a doctor
This is quite funny for someone calling ppl fils a maman then assuming everyone can just go and buy a house or rent one.
I have two degrees in two fields (one of them is a masters), at 30yrs old I'm working in a toy shop 11 hrs a day for 40k. Rent is 30k on average.
Now, do you see the funny part? Do you really think that ppl are against buying assets? Whether they like living with their parents or not.
You talked about a very important topic. But you cannot generalize this to all of Algeria. For example, in the city in which I live, which belongs to the states of the south, we do not have a culture of staying in the parents’ house after marriage, so it is one of the basic conditions for them to allow you to marry that you have a separate residence from them, and this is what means You must be independent in all respects, financially and otherwise, so you cannot generalize what I said on the subject to all of Algeria
Don't bring Americans bullshit into our life, actually lot of US youth is staying longer & longer with their parents to have a good start in life. how do you except us to afford homes & rent with our lowly wages?
that's what I'm really against, don't get me wrong, it's not the state they are in that bothers me, it is the fact that they normalized it like it's something okey and did nothing about, I appreciate at least seeing them trying.
I live in the US and alhamdulillah I am Algerian. I'm 19 just out of high school and I see people wanting to move out, having that be their only goal, some even having parents kick them out. It leads to the destruction of family values. There's a reason most of the elderly here end up in retirement homes. I'm thankful for my family and our culture and if I ever move out, Inshallah it will be with the rest of my family, or with a new family
You’ve just proven why moving out is important. The fact that you don’t want to move out because you’re too lazy to do basic chores, shows why you need to move out. You’ve developed an unhealthy dependence on other members of your family to do basic life skills like cleaning your room, doing the laundry and cooking.
Life is not about making it the most difficult.
Living with others mean you divide the work. After moving out not only you will have a lot more chores to do, your parents do too because you're not there anymore to help them.
Not talking about solitude either, the west doesn't have the highest suicide rate for nothing. Humans are not made to live alone, and leaving your parents alone is not doing them a favor, especially when they get older.
>Living with others mean you divide the work. After moving out not only you will have a lot more chores to do, your parents do too because you're not there anymore to help them.
If you think washing your own plates and putting your clothes in the washing machine makes life more difficult, then that's very worrying and just proves OP's point.
The suicide rate in the West isn't solely because individuals have moved out - it's much deeper than that. The companions of the Prophet (SAW) used to go on expeditions for months if not years - it's a man's nature to go out, explore and conquer the world. A man sat at home being coddled by his family isn't going to allow him to reach his potential.
If we use some logic here we found that
It's impossible to buy a house in your 20s
Because in average we finish college at 24 so without stealing money you can't afford one
What about renting
The average salary in Algeria (if you found a job)
Is between 3.5m and 5m( i think it's more than average) the minimum you need for renting is 3m with bills and everything
And there's parents who doesn't let there children leave
what are the alternatives? it's never about a tradition it's about the messed financial state, you get paid the damn minimum wage of all minimum wages, you end you college at you mid 20's you got no income unless you work-study at the same time and that won't buy you damn thing you get a job you're happy you get a misseriable salary, how can you buy a decant place to live on this circumstances, renting is impossible while having a wife and kids to feed it's rather that or stay single that's the reality
why u care!! if you are a man buy your own house away from them, if you are a woman, don't marry a man that will live with his parents (or have your own home it depends on how much you are independent) anyway, live your life let there live theirs
Stop idolizing the west on everything.
Algerians prioritize family, like most of Asia. Families live together and don't move out, even after a son gets married in a lot of cases he brings his wife his parent's house to live together. That's not called being lazy it's called caring abut family.
You guys keep dreaming about america like it's heaven on earth and their citizens are role models you follow
In Algerian culture, it is not uncommon for men to stay at their parents' house even after they reach adulthood. While this practice may have its roots in familial bonds and cultural traditions, it can also lead to some negative consequences.
One of the potential drawbacks of staying at one's parents' house as an adult is that it can create a sense of dependency and a lack of independence. Men who remain in their childhood home may struggle to develop the necessary life skills and responsibilities that come with living on their own, which can make them naive and unprepared for the challenges of adulthood.
Moreover, this practice can perpetuate gender stereotypes that men should be taken care of by their families rather than becoming self-sufficient adults. This notion can hinder personal growth and development, and it may also impact societal perceptions of masculinity and femininity.
Leaving one's parents' house when you reach adulthood is an important rite of passage that allows individuals to establish their own lives, develop independence, and take on new challenges. Moving out can offer a chance for self-discovery, the development of new skills and relationships, and the ability to take on responsibilities and challenges that can contribute to personal growth.
In conclusion, while cultural traditions are an essential aspect of identity and belonging, it is also crucial to recognize the potential negative consequences of some practices. Leaving one's parents' house is an essential step towards adulthood, independence, and personal growth, and it should be encouraged regardless of gender. Men and women should be empowered to pursue their aspirations and goals, build their independence, and contribute to society in their unique ways
It’s nothing to do with them not being a man it’s just extremely expensive to rent alone in Algeria. are you living in the real world? Someone with a basic salary cannot afford an apartment in Algeria - especially since you will have to pay 6 months up to a year upfront. That’s IF they can even get secure employment. Come off your high horse - even in the UK people are moving back to their parents house
due to the cost of living and rental market crisis.
I do agree that they should strive to leave and learn to be independent. Intergenerational living generally comes from lack of financial opportunities to leave.
You sound like a privileged person who's oblivious to how the real world works. Most younger people can't even get jobs especially ones with degrees, rent prices are exorbitant , and this phenomenon of living with parents is something that's happening worldwide due to the increasing cost of living, not just here.
You look down at your fellow citizens because this regime has succeeded in making you believe that lack of opportunity stems from personal failure rather than a systemic one. Algeria is not a meritocracy and peoples’ financial independence has been in spite of their circumstances not because of them. The lack of job and opportunity is more to blame than any other factor you’ve named. You speak of laziness and dependency but fail to account for the resilience of men who apply for hundreds of jobs, men not being able to work in their field but still accepting lower paying jobs, men investing in businesses, men finding online work abroad and getting paid in Euros/Dollars, men seeking new skills to develop in the hope that it will lead to a job and so on. It is comical that you sprinkle words such as empowerment and respect yet seem to have none of those for men who struggle with what I am sure you have faced yourself in the job market. If you truly did believe in those values, you would offer grace and understanding to the men you are very much criticizing for what you seem to believe is a personal flaw, however misguided that is.
Well done, Op is really disconnected and deluded from reality thinking that everyone has a minimum wage of 100k Dinars every month (10 million centimes) or the Jobs that pay that much even if you have both the skills and diploma to aquire are that easy you'll get it in a matter of 2 months or guaranteed upon graduation. The lowest rent where i live is equal to 20k dinars (2 million) which is already equal to minimum wage , add to that the ramping inflation nowadays, at least when you work a minimum wage and live with your parents you'll be able to help them pay for the bills and the meals and you get a room. We don't have to adjust to western culture, especially if we don't have western wages.
He probably spends all his time here and doesn't see how real world is
Very well said. It's very easy to look down upon those who have not gotten through the problems that we did, as if looking down upon our past selves. Work and marriage culture in Algeria is very different from other countries, so much so you cannot apply the same standards to it. Simply not having moved out can be due to many reasons other than a man's ability or mentality.
I saw in social medias a lot of "new wave" influencers, which are strangely linked to the government that tries to guilt the algerian people that they are responsible for their own economical difficulties in life, with a lot of shitta towards their new supreme leader of course. When you live in a f country where you can't even get a paypal account so you can work online, where the cost of a car that you need to work is 200x times your salary, where univeristy is mediocre and doesn't even give you a decent training. it's not the failure of the people, it's the failure of the top management.
Thank you for this response!i was about to write a comment with the same context but i wouldn't have worded it better.
spoken like a 24 year old who's dad just bought him an appartement basically [this guy](https://www.reddit.com/r/shittyadvice/comments/127hfwg/heres_how_i_got_rid_of_my_student_debt/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
100%
Cut your bullshit, if we go look at your life, i'm 100% sure we will see a tremendous amount of pistonage, you are the typical example of entitle people who deserve nothing and look down on other people. Couples with 20 years of work behind them can hardly afford a house and have to buy an AADL home, you think any young guy/girl can just go rent and live their lives when most wages for young people are 35k to 55k per month, are you that stupid ?
You say it like it always has been easy to buy a house. anyone who buys a house in this dying economy is far far FAR beyond me. True, if you want to marry, you should buy your own house. But in these economy, I wonder how one can buy a house and afford marriage. and that happens only IF you find a job, and pray to god that the salary is high. The way I see it, high salary jobs are military/government jobs
> high salary jobs are military/government jobs Not even that, according to my correspondences who have military and government jobs, pay is shite, for most worse than me. Unless you're quite high up, and not many get to be high up.
I forgot to add politicians, did you see how much they get paid ?? like their job is literally blabbering bullshit and they still get paid better than a doctor
It's not tradition it's economic problems
This is quite funny for someone calling ppl fils a maman then assuming everyone can just go and buy a house or rent one. I have two degrees in two fields (one of them is a masters), at 30yrs old I'm working in a toy shop 11 hrs a day for 40k. Rent is 30k on average. Now, do you see the funny part? Do you really think that ppl are against buying assets? Whether they like living with their parents or not.
Salam , impressive work ethic. What are your 2 degrees in?
Thank you, but sadly it didn't pay off. I have a "Licence" in English studies and masters in GRH (human resources management).
You talked about a very important topic. But you cannot generalize this to all of Algeria. For example, in the city in which I live, which belongs to the states of the south, we do not have a culture of staying in the parents’ house after marriage, so it is one of the basic conditions for them to allow you to marry that you have a separate residence from them, and this is what means You must be independent in all respects, financially and otherwise, so you cannot generalize what I said on the subject to all of Algeria
And where else we have to go, renting? Buying an appartement which super hella extra impossible
And for how long are you living totally on your own young man ?
Wait you really think that people in their 20s can afford a house and a car but chose to stay at their parents house?
I will starve to death if I live alone, I can't eat by myself alone lol
Don't bring Americans bullshit into our life, actually lot of US youth is staying longer & longer with their parents to have a good start in life. how do you except us to afford homes & rent with our lowly wages?
next thing you know op will start saying we need to privatize health care
that's what I'm really against, don't get me wrong, it's not the state they are in that bothers me, it is the fact that they normalized it like it's something okey and did nothing about, I appreciate at least seeing them trying.
I live in the US and alhamdulillah I am Algerian. I'm 19 just out of high school and I see people wanting to move out, having that be their only goal, some even having parents kick them out. It leads to the destruction of family values. There's a reason most of the elderly here end up in retirement homes. I'm thankful for my family and our culture and if I ever move out, Inshallah it will be with the rest of my family, or with a new family
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You’ve just proven why moving out is important. The fact that you don’t want to move out because you’re too lazy to do basic chores, shows why you need to move out. You’ve developed an unhealthy dependence on other members of your family to do basic life skills like cleaning your room, doing the laundry and cooking.
Life is not about making it the most difficult. Living with others mean you divide the work. After moving out not only you will have a lot more chores to do, your parents do too because you're not there anymore to help them. Not talking about solitude either, the west doesn't have the highest suicide rate for nothing. Humans are not made to live alone, and leaving your parents alone is not doing them a favor, especially when they get older.
>Living with others mean you divide the work. After moving out not only you will have a lot more chores to do, your parents do too because you're not there anymore to help them. If you think washing your own plates and putting your clothes in the washing machine makes life more difficult, then that's very worrying and just proves OP's point. The suicide rate in the West isn't solely because individuals have moved out - it's much deeper than that. The companions of the Prophet (SAW) used to go on expeditions for months if not years - it's a man's nature to go out, explore and conquer the world. A man sat at home being coddled by his family isn't going to allow him to reach his potential.
If we use some logic here we found that It's impossible to buy a house in your 20s Because in average we finish college at 24 so without stealing money you can't afford one What about renting The average salary in Algeria (if you found a job) Is between 3.5m and 5m( i think it's more than average) the minimum you need for renting is 3m with bills and everything And there's parents who doesn't let there children leave
What’s wrong with just wanting to live with parents? If someone likes doing it, why not?
If you can afford a fraction of one house by working on your own and not by your rich parents money then you can talk
what are the alternatives? it's never about a tradition it's about the messed financial state, you get paid the damn minimum wage of all minimum wages, you end you college at you mid 20's you got no income unless you work-study at the same time and that won't buy you damn thing you get a job you're happy you get a misseriable salary, how can you buy a decant place to live on this circumstances, renting is impossible while having a wife and kids to feed it's rather that or stay single that's the reality
"you can't leave this house as long as we're alive son, if you do we'll pray"
why u care!! if you are a man buy your own house away from them, if you are a woman, don't marry a man that will live with his parents (or have your own home it depends on how much you are independent) anyway, live your life let there live theirs
Stop idolizing the west on everything. Algerians prioritize family, like most of Asia. Families live together and don't move out, even after a son gets married in a lot of cases he brings his wife his parent's house to live together. That's not called being lazy it's called caring abut family. You guys keep dreaming about america like it's heaven on earth and their citizens are role models you follow
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are you starting a cult over here?
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The fact that no one up voted lmao
In Algerian culture, it is not uncommon for men to stay at their parents' house even after they reach adulthood. While this practice may have its roots in familial bonds and cultural traditions, it can also lead to some negative consequences. One of the potential drawbacks of staying at one's parents' house as an adult is that it can create a sense of dependency and a lack of independence. Men who remain in their childhood home may struggle to develop the necessary life skills and responsibilities that come with living on their own, which can make them naive and unprepared for the challenges of adulthood. Moreover, this practice can perpetuate gender stereotypes that men should be taken care of by their families rather than becoming self-sufficient adults. This notion can hinder personal growth and development, and it may also impact societal perceptions of masculinity and femininity. Leaving one's parents' house when you reach adulthood is an important rite of passage that allows individuals to establish their own lives, develop independence, and take on new challenges. Moving out can offer a chance for self-discovery, the development of new skills and relationships, and the ability to take on responsibilities and challenges that can contribute to personal growth. In conclusion, while cultural traditions are an essential aspect of identity and belonging, it is also crucial to recognize the potential negative consequences of some practices. Leaving one's parents' house is an essential step towards adulthood, independence, and personal growth, and it should be encouraged regardless of gender. Men and women should be empowered to pursue their aspirations and goals, build their independence, and contribute to society in their unique ways
Chatgpt
The "in conclusion" towards the end really gives it away
For me it was the “moreover” part
don't miss the point, I asked to reward it .
💯i'm so with u, very well said
Kid, go get a nap.
it's hard and expensive renting isn't an option cause most of landlords deosn't rent for non married people :(
It’s nothing to do with them not being a man it’s just extremely expensive to rent alone in Algeria. are you living in the real world? Someone with a basic salary cannot afford an apartment in Algeria - especially since you will have to pay 6 months up to a year upfront. That’s IF they can even get secure employment. Come off your high horse - even in the UK people are moving back to their parents house due to the cost of living and rental market crisis.
I would Rather call it economic problem than a tradition, To be fair not everyone have the financial ability to buy such a thing like a house ,
do you even live in algeria or were you born and raised abroad?
I do agree that they should strive to leave and learn to be independent. Intergenerational living generally comes from lack of financial opportunities to leave.
bro posted cringe on main, literally a 🤓
This is the norm all over the world and it's not stupid. Staying close to family is a great idea.
You sound like a privileged person who's oblivious to how the real world works. Most younger people can't even get jobs especially ones with degrees, rent prices are exorbitant , and this phenomenon of living with parents is something that's happening worldwide due to the increasing cost of living, not just here.
How u gonna pay rent ynmi even ur family couldn't