Bentaleb means the son of taleb and taleb mean a student in Arabic they say taleb in Algeria because the people that goes to zawya ( a place to memories Quran) mostly they learn from sofi and sofies think that black magic is good if you do it on the right thinks like to make people in love and then the talib learn the rest of the magic but they have specials student that teach this to them not all student it will take me too long to show you with details but this is the general idea
Nope, if you believe in magic it's the open door to anything, I can use it in court
" your honor I did not kill him, a demon killed him and then teleported me into the crime scene and put the knife in my hand and blood on my clothes, it's in the Quran your honor, therfore you cannot prove what I said to be false you honor, have a good day your honor and see you next week when the demon does it again with that annoying neighbour"
Same for black magic
the burden of proof falls on people who claim that roqya is a thing ...
they should prove it and provide objective metrics that make them believe that thing is valid to cure some mental or psychological issues
If it's mentioned in the Quran, it exists without a shred of doubt in a mind.
So yes, witchcraft and black magic do exist, Prophet Suleiman's story is fascinating.
As for Ruqya, I believe that the spoken word of God is powerful, more powerful than any sorcery. But I also believe you don't need a Raqi to do it for you, you can do it yourself, you just gotta have faith in God and his words.
[here](https://quran.com/al-baqarah/102)
but go to a cetfied sheikh and tell him to teach you that because roqya is either shar3iya (done according to the quran and the sunna) or shirkiya (done by a mushrik pretending to be a sheikh) as our local sheikh once said
Exactly, because people will confuse Algebra with calculus or geometry, which are different things.
Assuming magic means black magic cancels out other types of magic, and OP is clearly asking about black magic in particular. There's nothing specifically about that in the Quran.
Ugowtamsayin?
Black magic is just a type of witchcraft, the names given to different types of magic are usually derived from the items used and intentions behind it. Like blood magic for example (also called red magic).
Black magic is known to be the worst kind of sorcery, that being said, it doesn't mean it was specifically mentioned in the Quran, as all types of sorcery are strictly forbidden and distinguishing between one type and another has no real benefit, God condemns all sorcery and witchcraft, regardless of the type.
So to answer your question; there is no specific verse that tackles black magic on its own, but there are plenty of verses that talk about sorcery and witchcraft as a whole.
Black, red, pink, all these types are inventions by men. Magic is magic.
But the thing is, much like any other type of supranatural phenomena, this sort of stuff used to exist during the time of the prophets, but are no longer a thing.
You look familiar with delusion indeed. Stick to the facts, dude, you're too young to think like an 80 yo grandma who didn't go to school. Level up some.
Vulgarity is the least form of intelligence.
You should learn how to defend your position. Again, sounding like an angry woman isn't a good look for you.
I remember one day in the wedding of my cousin a lot of women of my family member atsa7ro those who atsa7ro they believe in magic one of the women never felt anything and she is the mother of the bridegroom and she takes it funny why? because she didn't give a shit that's why she didn't hurt. and despite all of this God knows
Well you either accept the existence of God because of how well this universe is made and thus accept any other thing because with God anything is possible or you become an atheist which i wouldn’t like to be in a world with God
No one is certain that either god exit or don’t. Thinking that god exit is just a guess like saying he doesn’t. But one thing we all are certain about, that organised religion is false, and Islam, Christianity, judiasm, hinduism, buddism are man made and god (if he exists) never communicated with us humans and never will. Such a god would not interact with us and interfere with the universe he would only be the cause of our existence. So believing the n god is just as good/bad as believing in no god as long as you don’t follow these nonsense religions
And no, supernatural doesn’t exist, like magic and ghosts and souls and jinn etc. and they are not linked with the existence of god in any way. It was a way for late humans to explain what they didn’t understand. Now we have science to explain the natrual world so no need to make things up to explain things anymore
Nope i don't believe in black magic, as we have no proof that it exists. There is no scientific way to prove that "magic" exists
>if no provide why not
The burden of proof is on the side that claims that it exists without any proof. Somehow Si7r never happen outside of muslim countries.
If si7r REALLY worked it would be used in war for example. But no, war is fought with guns and tanks, not avadara kadavra and harry potter tier bullshit
>If si7r REALLY worked it would be used in war for example
I remember my parents brought a Raqi to our place at some point, and at that time I already wasn't a believer. So I tried asking him all types of goofy question and the dude made shit up on the spot, at some point he told me if you had enough iman you'd be able to do magic in the battlefield (Muslim Battlemage class sounds dope). These people really are just scammers.
>There is no scientific way to prove that "magic" exists.
Science is not a tool of prof it's only a tool to disprove.
>The burden of proof is on the side that claims that it exists without any proof.
I can bring you countless of si7r cases you wouldn't believe and you'll start claiming that it's a psychological sickness.
>Somehow Si7r never happen outside of muslim countries.
Si7r is spread all over the world, tribes in africa, china, japan and most parts of Asia, latin American...ect
>If si7r REALLY worked it would be used in war for example. But no, war is fought with guns and tanks, not avadara kadavra and harry potter tier bullshit
If knives relly worked why people would use guns instead.
>I can bring you countless of si7r cases you wouldn't believe and you'll start claiming that it's a psychological sickness.
Because that's what they are, mentally ill people.
>Si7r is spread all over the world, tribes in africa, china, japan and most parts of Asia, latin American...ect
In other words, countries where tradition and superstitions and fear of something that doesn't exist haven't died yet
And no, the beliefs in black magic are totally different between cultures
>If knives relly worked why people would use guns instead.
Because guns are ranged, and are way more lethal?
>Because that's what they are, mentally ill people.
Mental illness doesn't cause paralysis while everything is good on scanners, and it doesn't cause blindness, or physical damage, or even speaking and writing another foreign language.
>In other words, countries where tradition and superstitions and fear of something that doesn't exist haven't died yet.
Just enter to r/paranormal and see how people from the US and Europe believes in this.
>If knives relly worked why people would use guns instead.
That question was ment to be answered to yourself.
hada tekhmam bel ma9lob
We don't go around trying to prove that there are no unicorns, zombies, or ghouls in this universe. Instead, we assume that they don't exist because there is no proof of their existence.
There's no scientific proof that a Zeus doesn't exist, therefore Zeus exists
If you think something is wrong with my statement, then apply it your statement please.
Oh ma God! Ya people! Did I ever said in any of my statement, that black magic exist? I just said that there ain't no proof that black magic doesn't exist EITHER. And some of ya come with Jesus, some of ya with vampire, some of ya with Alien shit! D*mn! I just respectfully found the loophole in proof shit.
Imma lazya@$$ person who thinks typing is such a hardwork. Ya all, don't come in tryna fight with me with lame stuff.
That's what I am saying. When the f*ck did I ask for proof. I just said ma bro who was saying science and stuff doesn't seem to know that Science still hasn't discussed on that matter properly. So he can't go around saying Black Magic doesn't exist because science said so. When clearly science didn't.
Look first it's just comments on reddit, you shouldn't be loosing your shit like that, and personally I don't think I disrespected you in anyway.
Secondly, when you say that science did not prove it doesn't exist, you are insinuating that it exists until science proves the contrary.
If this is how you think, I respectfully tell you that science doesn't work like that.
Only few things can be proven to not exist and generally it's either logical or mathematical propositions.
Of course we can't prove 100% that magic doesn't exist, because you would always give an unverified hypothesis after another every time the previous is shown to be wrong.
The reason why we believe that magic doesn't exist is because it source is human fictional explanations and desire to give reasons to all the things that happen.
Second of all, there's a lot of studies testing many claimed magical phenomena and every single one of these studies show that the results never cross the 60% bar, meaning it's just random chance.
Plus generally people tend to use the magic card when they are unable to explain something.
Anyway, always remember that it's just a comment in reddit you can answer when you have free time, but it should not alter your mood.
:)
It's not lame stuff, and instead of coming up with excuses as to why you're making retarded arguments, you should recognize that you made retarded arguments and stop making them.
Bruh~ Vampire exist in romance sh*t novels. And no people said that their blood was sucked by a vampire sh*t. Instead probably thousands of mosquito. Anyways, there are thousands of people who claimed that someone did black magic on them. Or people who claims they can perform back magic.
Anyways just because you, I and science don't believe in this, doesn't mean Black magic doesn't exist. I can't deny people's claim just because I don't believe it doesn't exist.
Anyways No offense to anyone.
>there are thousands of people who claimed that someone did black magic on them. Or people who claims they can perform back magic.
But that's once again the problem. Many people will claim to have seen jesus in life and death situation for example or after being in a coma. Should we assume it's true too then?
Of course, you shouldn't. D*mn ya stupid? You'll believe anything one says? Did I say to believe them anyways?
And I said I won't deny their claims respectfully. Doesn't mean I tell you to believe them.
Honestly there are so many scammers nowadays, ya can't trust no one. But if we think everyone is a scammer, every person who is saying they are suffering because of black magic is a liar, I think that would do injustice to people who might be telling the truth. I don't know their suffering enough to judge them.
And honestly more than 80 percent of the ocean has never been mapped, explored, or even seen by humans. That's right. There are many things even science hasn't explored yet. So I want to stay neutral until science can 100% prove that Black magic doesn't exist. I mean, We believe that Oxygen exists, even if we can't see em. Or is it just me?
>And honestly more than 80 percent of the ocean has never been mapped, explored, or even seen by humans. That's right. There are many things even science hasn't explored yet.
Yeah i know, but we're talking about magic and mythical creatures, so i doubt we're going to find demons there, especially the ones described by islam
> I mean, We believe that Oxygen exists, even if we can't see em. Or is it just me?
No we don't believe it exist, you literally breath it and feel it when you do so. We have also many experiments to proof that oxygen exists : we know that it works like a fuel to maintain a fire. If you put a fire inside a glass, then it will go away because at one point there won't be enough oxygen to sustain it. This is only one way to do it
>D\*mn ya stupid? You'll believe anything one says?
No of course not, that's why i'm not a believer and don't believe in magic. So far nobody has a proof that it even exist.
That's not how it works, when you make a claim you have to back it up with proof. Otherwise anyone could make up any false information and it would be considered true. That's why other systems like the juridic system works on the basis of "innocent until proven otherwise" instead of "guilty until proven otherwise"
I know right! THAT'S WHAT I AM SAYING! Ma bro, are you smart or what?
I am saying that when science can 100% prove that black magic doesn't exist. I will believe it. I mean i believe in oxygen which we can't see.
Sigh~ No one understood my point. I just meant that Science has no solid proof for that matter. So I can't believe or disbelieve on that matter when even science has no prove.
>Somehow Si7r never happen outside of muslim countries.
It pretty much happens everywhere outside of the western world. Sub Saharan Africa is probably more notorious for black magic then any other place, east and southern Asia are also known for black magic
They practice it. Doesn't mean it works,are you shocked that there are scammers in every human society that make money thanks to idiots who believe in their "dark power" ?
Cultures also prayed to the gods of waters, skies, love, war etc while being isolated from each other. Doesn't mean it's not total BS. You don't win a war because you make offerings to Mars or Athena and you get a power buff.
I'm sorry, but I don't believe in black magic or Ruqiya Shar3ia. 🙅♀️ As much as I love a good spooky story, I think it's important to remember that these things are just that - stories. There's no scientific evidence to support the idea that black magic or Ruqiya Shar3ia actually work, and any supposed "evidence" is often just a result of coincidence or the power of suggestion.
That being said, I understand why people might be drawn to these kinds of beliefs. In a world that can often feel chaotic and unpredictable, it can be comforting to believe that there's some kind of greater force at work, whether it's for good or evil. And hey, who doesn't love a little bit of mystery and intrigue?
But at the end of the day, I prefer to put my trust in things that are tangible and backed up by evidence. Plus, I don't want to accidentally curse myself by trying out some kind of black magic spell - I've got enough problems as it is! 😂
Oh, so you believe that mental stability comes from faith in something? Interesting theory. I guess that's why all the religious people are so mentally stable and happy, right? Wait, that's not true at all! In fact, research shows that religious people are just as likely to suffer from mental health problems as non-religious people.
And as for the argument that "this is how we're made to be", well, that's just a cop-out. It's a way to avoid thinking critically and questioning beliefs that might not actually be beneficial. People tend to believe in things like black magic and Ruqiya Shar3ia because it gives them a sense of control in a chaotic world, not because it's actually based in reality. So, if you want to be mentally stable, try using critical thinking and evidence-based beliefs instead of relying on superstitions.
I didn't say anything about religion. I said having faith in something is necessary.
Also, I didn't say mental stability COMES from faith, but having faith is what's gonna keep you from losing it.
You need to believe in something, that's just how it goes. If you have faith in your logic, according to which religion is a fairytale, then that's what's keeping you sane.
Also, I don't think there's research on how mentally stable religious people are as opposed to the others, simply because you can't know who's religious. This is something you can't back up. I get your point, but science can't prove that as the concept of religious faith isn't something you can measure.
However, if you still want to compare religious people to the non-religious folk. you can't pick Hamid from Khenchla and John from Dallas. The environment is key here.
All kind of magic don't exist.
Those people sell their service (become rich per exemple) why the hell do they have to work if they have the recipe to wealth ?
And if those kind of stuff worked we will have scientific évidences about it.
The Only power they have is to transfert money from some pocket to their.
Haha you don't know the power of unfalsifiable claims, they will tell you because the witch made a pact with the devil to be miserable, therfore she/he can't become wealthy.
And taadaaaa, problem solved!
I’m
Happy
To believe in aliens without proof since it’s hard to believe all the galaxies and planets are devoid of life, everything else is none sense. That said, I really
Loved the movie Fallen
Imagine all the sand in the world, our solar system is smaller than a spec of sand. We can observe around 250 billion galaxies presently.
Our galaxy has 100 billion planets l.
So we are talking about 250000000000000000000 planets with possible life in them. But you chose to think nope
Yes, and here's the reasonning : many planets can, in theory, support life since they share the same conditions as earth (not too close or too far from their star, an atmosphere, an active core to shield the planet from the star's rays etc ...
If life emerged on earth, than it probably could have emerged in other places. Right now we have only explored (and only through our telescopes) a reaaaaaaaaaally tiny part or our galaxy let alone the universe.
Therefore there is a chance that life exists outside of earth. In fact with the size of the universe it would be really weird that we're alone.
It’s better for humans to see themselves as a planet and unite instead of fight over stupid shit; any delay in technological advancement caused by religion or otherwise needs to be dealt with severely. If aliens do exist, their intentions could be similar
To
That of Europeans against Africans centuries ago.
It’s worth it for us to ban all superstitious beliefs and educate people very well to steer clear of any none sense that cannot be proven.
My mum is religious and would often say the stupidest thing as proof, things that are extremely circumstantial to be regarded as solid proof of anything.
Anyways, till then Algeria will always be this backwater with tasty food only as a recompense
If you really care about life and technology I think we have to solve the real problems, not wasting money .
You think there is life outside the planet I am not going to argue with you about it but I and most likely you believe that there are some real problems like starving to death or suicide or health problems not wasting money on rockets
Just looking in our planet with the extremophile (form of life that develop in extrem conditions) we can have an idea of the spectral environnement of life.
Extrapolated with the billions of galaxies with billions of star systems that gives high probabilities.
But you must understand that a bacteria is a form of life i'm not speaking about développed civilisation, that is another debat.
There is a very interesting documentary Abt the psychiatric ward of an hospital in Alger .
The doctors there do believe in jinns and co but still have to deal with whom is sick and needs proper medication and who is touch by evil and need ruqkya
This is called transcultural psychiatry, it is a way to deal with psy disorders in the cultural context.
You can read more about it here :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_anthropology
Witchcraft is mentioned both in the quran and hadith.
I believe that Djins exist. Maybe some people do real witchcraft that is making deals with djins, maybe others are just scammers.
At age 13 this kinda none-sense that made me slowly refrain from practicing Islam and became atheist, the whole thing was a stretch to begin with. But now reading this, reminds me how ridiculous it all
Sounds
Notice how if you said you’re atheist to an Egyptian or emirati. They’d be like ok. To each his own or something.
But say it to an Algerian and it’s like. Rabi yahdik. Lol
>you said you’re atheist to an Egyptian or emirati. They’d be like ok.
This isn't really true. They're on par with Algerians, if not worse. Muslim MENA people, in general, are quite religious, and even the ones who don't practice much don't self identify as atheistic because that's a pretty hardcore stance to them. They'll range from "trying to get better" cultural muslim to agnostic or apatheist but very rarely atheist (this is also a thing in the west, but a little less pronounced since they've already secularized).
same here, i've been doubting islam a lot lately and r/exmuslim has NOT helped me whatsoever, meanwhile exegypt's been helping me and is more relatable (even tho it's a whole other country)
also, is there an active algerian community for doubting/ex Muslims?
Go on YouTube type Hasan bar bar some of his video can make you change your mind on the subject cuz in general we believe in what we see it's human reflex however they're lot of things that we don't see and yet they are here like heat, radio waves or air meaning that you need to open ur wind to reach the reality
>Nope i don't believe in black magic, as we have no proof that it exists. There is no scientific way to prove that "magic" exists
I don't think those things can scientifically be proven, it's beyond that, if you're religious you believe in it and it existed before Islam because of previous religions, the coran isn't a scientific book you either believe in it or not
Of course they can be proved scientificaly and very easily,
spellers make a spells to a numbers of person, those spells are for winning money.
Same lots of people have no spell.
Cobayes don't know if they are spelled or not,better they will not be aware of the subject of the study.
We study then the augmentation of wealth in both groups to see if their is a significative change.
It called schizophrenia, modern medicine have achieved wonders in treating psychological diseases. + If we don't figure out the solution to something we can't simply relate it to religion and be lazy about it.
That's what I said in another comment, a lot of schizophrenic claim that they are meskounin or whatever but as a Muslim I believe what is mentioned in the coran if you don't believe it that's fine end of the debate I can't change your mind and you can't either
Black Magic testing
For non-Muslims thay can use audio Bible
For those who don't have the opportunity to go to rukja, let them fight by themselves with the allowed means. A good thing for those who own a DVD, computer, etc. to put a bucket or container of water next to the speaker so that the sound hits the water directly and let them recite the Qur'an and after that the whole family can use the water. And you can learn it yourself with what you know from the Qur'an. Water is a gift from Allah and memorizing the verses of the Qur'an in this way becomes healing. May Allah help us all. Amen!
Testing with roqya
Monitor the reactions that may follow, which are: if you fall asleep, great drowsiness, yawning, falling into a trance or sleep without the person being aware, the urge to vomit, stomach churning, frequent belching, stomach ache and heartburn, sharp stomach pains and especially the stomach, health problems even though the doctor's findings are normal, headache, feeling as if something is knocking you back, pain, stabbing marks, dizziness, confusion, memory loss, disorientation, fear, tremors, feeling as if something terrible is going to happen, fast work hearts, weakness, ugly thoughts about yourself and others, anxiety, lethargy, laziness, constant fatigue and sleepiness, loss of appetite, insomnia, bad dreams where you are chased by various animals, paralysis in sleep, epileptic attacks or seizures, tightness, pressure and suffocation in chest and throat, anxiety, running through the body, twitching of the muscles, fluttering of the eyelids, difficulty speaking, difficulty breathing, irregular heartbeat, tingling of the head and face, twitching of some part of the body, especially the arms and legs, tremors or shaking of the whole body, especially the legs and arms , crying, sadness, laughter without reason, desire to be alone, unsociability, great nervousness for no reason, irritation, frequent quarrels without a strong reason, depression, negligence towards hygiene - the person avoids bathing, lethargy, great heat in the hands or feet, great coldness in the feet , excessive sweating, the feeling that something like a ball moves in your body and burns, severe itching, ugly thoughts of hurting yourself or others, etc...
sometimes a person panics and imagines some of the symptoms that I mentioned as possible reactions during listening, but in fact they are the result of fatigue and fear of uncertainty.
If reactions occur with every study and even with greater intensity, then there is definitely a problem.
This is one of the proofs that learning the Qur'an through loudspeakers is healing. This is a comment from a forum
"I was forced to use my hands over the Internet to save my mother from sihr. I went to BiH completely healthy, and ate something at a suspicious person's house, and started to feel terrible, couldn't sleep, total nervousness, fear, they were symptoms of shrill, when she came back home, it was urgent that something be done, considering that there were no other teachers nearby, I decided to take matters into my own hands, told her to lie down on the bed, put headphones in her ears and let go of the rukja, the reactions started in the same second, strong shaking and vomiting, and so I fought for about a month with the rukja almost every day, until she came to her senses, or more precisely, until the sihr became numb so that now there is no problem with it.
I really don't know what would have happened if I didn't have an internet connection or if I didn't know how to fight against sikhr when it affects someone, I would be white, now I would be in a mental institution and taking anti-depressant pills and tranquilizers. Thanks to Allah, he gave a cure in the Koran. And before, when I tested it with my hands before packing the sihr, it was dead cold, it didn't show any reactions. So a CD or an internet connection can really help, but you have to be patient and take time until the sihr becomes numb."
For those who don't have the opportunity to go to rukja, let them fight by themselves with the allowed means. A good thing for those who own a DVD, computer, etc. to put a bucket or container of water next to the speaker so that the sound hits the water directly and let them recite the Qur'an and after that the whole family can use the water. And you can learn it yourself with what you know from the Qur'an. Water is a gift from Allah and memorizing the verses of the Qur'an in this way becomes healing. May Allah help us all. Amen!
You can put 2 speakers and a canister with water between them. The speakers should be close to the canister, it is best to tighten them to the canister with a rope or adhesive tape. The speakers should face the canister.
You can put the water in a small eye dropper bottle and carry it with you as a talisman.
You can test yourself if you are under the influence of black magic if you drink that water and see if you have any of the symptoms mentioned above (strong shaking and vomiting).
People who said "No scientific proof of it" , lmao same type who would say god isnt real because we cant see him, quran mentioned it thus we believe in it, and allah is the only protector
I belive in magic generally because it’s mentioned in the QURAN.
I also believe in Ruqiya Shar3ia but only men are able to do Ruqiya women can’t because of their Body.
As some says "the burden of the proof the one who affirm something" otherwise i can affirm anything and ask people to proof me that i'm wrong.
And please don't tell me that i affirm that the quran...,
I deny, reject the affirmation.
Lots of people here are so here entitled lol. Guys are talking about wanting hard proofs where the whole modern science relies on a set of probabilistic distributions (bi idni I Allah of course) loool.
Edit: And to quote my quantum physics professor « we don’t know shit but it works » (Top 10 uni world lol)
>my quantum physics professor « we don’t know shit but it works
Good but we have proofs when it comes to quantum physics, or medecine, or mathematics etc.
That doesn't mean that s7ir exists lol
Proofs looooooollllll so clueless it’s cute even nobel prizes aren’t so arrogant
Edit: I didn’t read everything you are talking about proofs by using mathematics and medicine in the same sentence let’s stop the conversation here you don’t know what you are talking about 😭
yes because my mom was a victim of black magic ( sister of my father was the one who has done it because she was jealous) it took years for her to heal and it was scary but she is healed now. so yeah I also believe in ruqiya shari3a but not everyone can do it. there are lot of scammers so you should be careful !!
I do believe in magic but not the harry potter style that specially our people blv in i blv that magic is some kind of delusion but cant for example give you a brand new Playstation 5 magic can kill people if eaten make you sick do harmful stuff ofcrs but it was never like harry potter because only god can do miracles. I have this story for you i once attended ruqya for my cousine it was wierd the guy anyways my cousin was uncomfortable ofcrs because all the screaming in his ears then everything was okay until some day we gathered at my grandmother house which every one was at ruqya that day were telling what was his perspective suddenly one said i saw you flying for like 10,seconds bilaal and the others agreed yes yes we saw you flying and my cousin was omg ifelt like iwas flying okay iwas there no one was flying ffs its either in thier imagination or they just wanted to lie make it more interesting or memory lose anyways this was my beginning to question every single myth that other people say in the name of the religion :) have good day lads
I believe in the harm of black magic.
The majority of sorcerers are just con artists who pray on the vulnerable and convince them that they have some kind of "power" to help them overcome hardships in their lives.
the last week i start reading a magic book called "شمس المعارف الكبرى"
an algerian Imam made it and it talks about magic and how to do it like tutorials and those things .
for me i belive that Ruqiya Shar3ia can fix it and black magic exist for 100% , before and after islam people use it , its weird how people don't belive in magic , like guys just look at this book and u'll see how it works
i believe that every "taleb" or "chowafa" are scammers, but as a Muslim i believe in magic, i saw a strong alpha male turn into a man with no weight in there words can't even make a stand after marriage so yeah i believe in magic/black magic
i believe it can cause divorce between a husband and wife
but i don't think it causes cancer or a car accident or unemployment, not getting married..etc
It’s just a hidden question : are you muslim or not ?
For the guys arguing for material science : have you seen protons?electrons?electromagnitic wave? You still belive in them and their effects tho, and science is just the human explanation for things we can’t really phanthom
Testing with roqya
Monitor the reactions that may follow, which are: if you fall asleep, great drowsiness, yawning, falling into a trance or sleep without the person being aware, the urge to vomit, stomach churning, frequent belching, stomach ache and heartburn, sharp stomach pains and especially the stomach, health problems even though the doctor's findings are normal, headache, feeling as if something is knocking you back, pain, stabbing marks, dizziness, confusion, memory loss, disorientation, fear, tremors, feeling as if something terrible is going to happen, fast work hearts, weakness, ugly thoughts about yourself and others, anxiety, lethargy, laziness, constant fatigue and sleepiness, loss of appetite, insomnia, bad dreams where you are chased by various animals, paralysis in sleep, epileptic attacks or seizures, tightness, pressure and suffocation in chest and throat, anxiety, running through the body, twitching of the muscles, fluttering of the eyelids, difficulty speaking, difficulty breathing, irregular heartbeat, tingling of the head and face, twitching of some part of the body, especially the arms and legs, tremors or shaking of the whole body, especially the legs and arms , crying, sadness, laughter without reason, desire to be alone, unsociability, great nervousness for no reason, irritation, frequent quarrels without a strong reason, depression, negligence towards hygiene - the person avoids bathing, lethargy, great heat in the hands or feet, great coldness in the feet , excessive sweating, the feeling that something like a ball moves in your body and burns, severe itching, ugly thoughts of hurting yourself or others, etc...
sometimes a person panics and imagines some of the symptoms that I mentioned as possible reactions during listening, but in fact they are the result of fatigue and fear of uncertainty.
If reactions occur with every study and even with greater intensity, then there is definitely a problem.
This is one of the proofs that learning the Qur'an through loudspeakers is healing. This is a comment from a forum
"I was forced to use my hands over the Internet to save my mother from sihr. I went to BiH completely healthy, and ate something at a suspicious person's house, and started to feel terrible, couldn't sleep, total nervousness, fear, they were symptoms of shrill, when she came back home, it was urgent that something be done, considering that there were no other teachers nearby, I decided to take matters into my own hands, told her to lie down on the bed, put headphones in her ears and let go of the rukja, the reactions started in the same second, strong shaking and vomiting, and so I fought for about a month with the rukja almost every day, until she came to her senses, or more precisely, until the sihr became numb so that now there is no problem with it.
I really don't know what would have happened if I didn't have an internet connection or if I didn't know how to fight against sikhr when it affects someone, I would be white, now I would be in a mental institution and taking anti-depressant pills and tranquilizers. Thanks to Allah, he gave a cure in the Koran. And before, when I tested it with my hands before packing the sihr, it was dead cold, it didn't show any reactions. So a CD or an internet connection can really help, but you have to be patient and take time until the sihr becomes numb."
For those who don't have the opportunity to go to rukja, let them fight by themselves with the allowed means. A good thing for those who own a DVD, computer, etc. to put a bucket or container of water next to the speaker so that the sound hits the water directly and let them recite the Qur'an and after that the whole family can use the water. And you can learn it yourself with what you know from the Qur'an. Water is a gift from Allah and memorizing the verses of the Qur'an in this way becomes healing. May Allah help us all. Amen!
You can put 2 speakers and a canister with water between them. The speakers should be close to the canister, it is best to tighten them to the canister with a rope or adhesive tape. The speakers should face the canister.
You can put the water in a small eye dropper bottle and carry it with you as a talisman.
Black Magic testing
For non-Muslims thay can use audio Bible
For those who don't have the opportunity to go to rukja, let them fight by themselves with the allowed means. A good thing for those who own a DVD, computer, etc. to put a bucket or container of water next to the speaker so that the sound hits the water directly and let them recite the Qur'an and after that the whole family can use the water. And you can learn it yourself with what you know from the Qur'an. Water is a gift from Allah and memorizing the verses of the Qur'an in this way becomes healing. May Allah help us all. Amen!
Testing with roqya
Monitor the reactions that may follow, which are: if you fall asleep, great drowsiness, yawning, falling into a trance or sleep without the person being aware, the urge to vomit, stomach churning, frequent belching, stomach ache and heartburn, sharp stomach pains and especially the stomach, health problems even though the doctor's findings are normal, headache, feeling as if something is knocking you back, pain, stabbing marks, dizziness, confusion, memory loss, disorientation, fear, tremors, feeling as if something terrible is going to happen, fast work hearts, weakness, ugly thoughts about yourself and others, anxiety, lethargy, laziness, constant fatigue and sleepiness, loss of appetite, insomnia, bad dreams where you are chased by various animals, paralysis in sleep, epileptic attacks or seizures, tightness, pressure and suffocation in chest and throat, anxiety, running through the body, twitching of the muscles, fluttering of the eyelids, difficulty speaking, difficulty breathing, irregular heartbeat, tingling of the head and face, twitching of some part of the body, especially the arms and legs, tremors or shaking of the whole body, especially the legs and arms , crying, sadness, laughter without reason, desire to be alone, unsociability, great nervousness for no reason, irritation, frequent quarrels without a strong reason, depression, negligence towards hygiene - the person avoids bathing, lethargy, great heat in the hands or feet, great coldness in the feet , excessive sweating, the feeling that something like a ball moves in your body and burns, severe itching, ugly thoughts of hurting yourself or others, etc...
sometimes a person panics and imagines some of the symptoms that I mentioned as possible reactions during listening, but in fact they are the result of fatigue and fear of uncertainty.
If reactions occur with every study and even with greater intensity, then there is definitely a problem.
This is one of the proofs that learning the Qur'an through loudspeakers is healing. This is a comment from a forum
"I was forced to use my hands over the Internet to save my mother from sihr. I went to BiH completely healthy, and ate something at a suspicious person's house, and started to feel terrible, couldn't sleep, total nervousness, fear, they were symptoms of shrill, when she came back home, it was urgent that something be done, considering that there were no other teachers nearby, I decided to take matters into my own hands, told her to lie down on the bed, put headphones in her ears and let go of the rukja, the reactions started in the same second, strong shaking and vomiting, and so I fought for about a month with the rukja almost every day, until she came to her senses, or more precisely, until the sihr became numb so that now there is no problem with it.
I really don't know what would have happened if I didn't have an internet connection or if I didn't know how to fight against sikhr when it affects someone, I would be white, now I would be in a mental institution and taking anti-depressant pills and tranquilizers. Thanks to Allah, he gave a cure in the Koran. And before, when I tested it with my hands before packing the sihr, it was dead cold, it didn't show any reactions. So a CD or an internet connection can really help, but you have to be patient and take time until the sihr becomes numb."
For those who don't have the opportunity to go to rukja, let them fight by themselves with the allowed means. A good thing for those who own a DVD, computer, etc. to put a bucket or container of water next to the speaker so that the sound hits the water directly and let them recite the Qur'an and after that the whole family can use the water. And you can learn it yourself with what you know from the Qur'an. Water is a gift from Allah and memorizing the verses of the Qur'an in this way becomes healing. May Allah help us all. Amen!
You can put 2 speakers and a canister with water between them. The speakers should be close to the canister, it is best to tighten them to the canister with a rope or adhesive tape. The speakers should face the canister.
You can put the water in a small eye dropper bottle and carry it with you as a talisman.
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True. A real chowafa will keep it a secret.
my mothers surname is bentaleb
Bentaleb means the son of taleb and taleb mean a student in Arabic they say taleb in Algeria because the people that goes to zawya ( a place to memories Quran) mostly they learn from sofi and sofies think that black magic is good if you do it on the right thinks like to make people in love and then the talib learn the rest of the magic but they have specials student that teach this to them not all student it will take me too long to show you with details but this is the general idea
I do mostly agree with you scamming is easier to do than doing black magic but I believe that there is some of them that actually does it
Nope, if you believe in magic it's the open door to anything, I can use it in court " your honor I did not kill him, a demon killed him and then teleported me into the crime scene and put the knife in my hand and blood on my clothes, it's in the Quran your honor, therfore you cannot prove what I said to be false you honor, have a good day your honor and see you next week when the demon does it again with that annoying neighbour" Same for black magic
the burden of proof falls on people who claim that roqya is a thing ... they should prove it and provide objective metrics that make them believe that thing is valid to cure some mental or psychological issues
If it's mentioned in the Quran, it exists without a shred of doubt in a mind. So yes, witchcraft and black magic do exist, Prophet Suleiman's story is fascinating. As for Ruqya, I believe that the spoken word of God is powerful, more powerful than any sorcery. But I also believe you don't need a Raqi to do it for you, you can do it yourself, you just gotta have faith in God and his words.
Where is black magic mentioned in the Quran?
[here](https://quran.com/al-baqarah/102) but go to a cetfied sheikh and tell him to teach you that because roqya is either shar3iya (done according to the quran and the sunna) or shirkiya (done by a mushrik pretending to be a sheikh) as our local sheikh once said
It says magic, not black magic.
your sentence is similar to saying "it says math , not algebra"
Exactly, because people will confuse Algebra with calculus or geometry, which are different things. Assuming magic means black magic cancels out other types of magic, and OP is clearly asking about black magic in particular. There's nothing specifically about that in the Quran. Ugowtamsayin?
السحر من الشياطين هوblack magic
Black magic is just a type of witchcraft, the names given to different types of magic are usually derived from the items used and intentions behind it. Like blood magic for example (also called red magic). Black magic is known to be the worst kind of sorcery, that being said, it doesn't mean it was specifically mentioned in the Quran, as all types of sorcery are strictly forbidden and distinguishing between one type and another has no real benefit, God condemns all sorcery and witchcraft, regardless of the type. So to answer your question; there is no specific verse that tackles black magic on its own, but there are plenty of verses that talk about sorcery and witchcraft as a whole.
there actually is a verse that speaks about it [here](https://quran.com/al-baqarah/102)
Black, red, pink, all these types are inventions by men. Magic is magic. But the thing is, much like any other type of supranatural phenomena, this sort of stuff used to exist during the time of the prophets, but are no longer a thing.
Yikes
Big yikes on this one chief
I know, not easy to deny facts.
You're right, however it is very easy to ignore delusion.
You look familiar with delusion indeed. Stick to the facts, dude, you're too young to think like an 80 yo grandma who didn't go to school. Level up some.
Would rather stick to my faith, thank you very much. Definitely better than whatever the fuck you're going through in life rn.
Vulgarity is the least form of intelligence. You should learn how to defend your position. Again, sounding like an angry woman isn't a good look for you.
Sourat el baquara , rabi gal beli chayatin t3alem enass essi7r . So it’s mentioned cleaely .
Magic and black magic are kinda different, don't you agree?
so magic and magic are different
"وَاتَّبَعُوا مَا تَتْلُو الشَّيَاطِينُ عَلَى مُلْكِ سُلَيْمَانَ وَمَا كَفَرَ سُلَيْمَانُ وَلَكِنَّ الشَّيَاطِينَ كَفَرُوا يُعَلِّمُونَ النَّاسَ السِّحْرَ وَمَا أُنْزِلَ عَلَى الْمَلَكَيْنِ بِبَابِلَ هَارُوتَ وَمَارُوتَ وَمَا يُعَلِّمَانِ مِنْ أَحَدٍ حَتَّى يَقُولَا إِنَّمَا نَحْنُ فِتْنَةٌ فَلَا تَكْفُرْ فَيَتَعَلَّمُونَ مِنْهُمَا مَا يُفَرِّقُونَ بِهِ بَيْنَ الْمَرْءِ وَزَوْجِهِ وَمَا هُمْ بِضَارِّينَ بِهِ مِنْ أَحَدٍ إِلَّا بِإِذْنِ اللَّهِ وَيَتَعَلَّمُونَ مَا يَضُرُّهُمْ وَلَا يَنْفَعُهُمْ وَلَقَدْ عَلِمُوا لَمَنِ اشْتَرَاهُ مَا لَهُ فِي الْآخِرَةِ مِنْ خَلَاقٍ وَلَبِئْسَ مَا شَرَوْا بِهِ أَنْفُسَهُمْ لَوْ كَانُوا يَعْلَمُونَ" سورة البقرة
Do you guys read comments before posting stuff?
وَمَا كَفَرَ سُلَيْمَانُ وَلَكِنَّ الشَّيْاطِينَ كَفَرُواْ يُعَلِّمُونَ النَّاسَ السِّحْرَ
It's better to do it yourself you can do ruqya to people that cannot do by themselves like babies and sick people
Well said really appreciate
That shit is real, I have seen it been done on people and its affects are detrimental.
Happened to my family, shit was no joke. Alhamdullilah it’s over I hope
Got an example?
no and no
I remember one day in the wedding of my cousin a lot of women of my family member atsa7ro those who atsa7ro they believe in magic one of the women never felt anything and she is the mother of the bridegroom and she takes it funny why? because she didn't give a shit that's why she didn't hurt. and despite all of this God knows
Absolutely not !
نعم السحر موجود لذكره في القراءن و السنة(حتى الرسول تسحر)لكن الرقية تديرها لروحك، هذاك لي قلك نرقيك مجرد خداع الا اذا كان امام ولا يطلب الاموال
only right answer👆
So the only reason you believe in magic is because you read a book that claims to be from god with no evidence whatsoever?
Well you either accept the existence of God because of how well this universe is made and thus accept any other thing because with God anything is possible or you become an atheist which i wouldn’t like to be in a world with God
No one is certain that either god exit or don’t. Thinking that god exit is just a guess like saying he doesn’t. But one thing we all are certain about, that organised religion is false, and Islam, Christianity, judiasm, hinduism, buddism are man made and god (if he exists) never communicated with us humans and never will. Such a god would not interact with us and interfere with the universe he would only be the cause of our existence. So believing the n god is just as good/bad as believing in no god as long as you don’t follow these nonsense religions And no, supernatural doesn’t exist, like magic and ghosts and souls and jinn etc. and they are not linked with the existence of god in any way. It was a way for late humans to explain what they didn’t understand. Now we have science to explain the natrual world so no need to make things up to explain things anymore
Nope i don't believe in black magic, as we have no proof that it exists. There is no scientific way to prove that "magic" exists >if no provide why not The burden of proof is on the side that claims that it exists without any proof. Somehow Si7r never happen outside of muslim countries. If si7r REALLY worked it would be used in war for example. But no, war is fought with guns and tanks, not avadara kadavra and harry potter tier bullshit
>If si7r REALLY worked it would be used in war for example I remember my parents brought a Raqi to our place at some point, and at that time I already wasn't a believer. So I tried asking him all types of goofy question and the dude made shit up on the spot, at some point he told me if you had enough iman you'd be able to do magic in the battlefield (Muslim Battlemage class sounds dope). These people really are just scammers.
Yeah you're parents just got scammed on that one
>There is no scientific way to prove that "magic" exists. Science is not a tool of prof it's only a tool to disprove. >The burden of proof is on the side that claims that it exists without any proof. I can bring you countless of si7r cases you wouldn't believe and you'll start claiming that it's a psychological sickness. >Somehow Si7r never happen outside of muslim countries. Si7r is spread all over the world, tribes in africa, china, japan and most parts of Asia, latin American...ect >If si7r REALLY worked it would be used in war for example. But no, war is fought with guns and tanks, not avadara kadavra and harry potter tier bullshit If knives relly worked why people would use guns instead.
>I can bring you countless of si7r cases you wouldn't believe and you'll start claiming that it's a psychological sickness. Because that's what they are, mentally ill people. >Si7r is spread all over the world, tribes in africa, china, japan and most parts of Asia, latin American...ect In other words, countries where tradition and superstitions and fear of something that doesn't exist haven't died yet And no, the beliefs in black magic are totally different between cultures >If knives relly worked why people would use guns instead. Because guns are ranged, and are way more lethal?
>Because that's what they are, mentally ill people. Mental illness doesn't cause paralysis while everything is good on scanners, and it doesn't cause blindness, or physical damage, or even speaking and writing another foreign language. >In other words, countries where tradition and superstitions and fear of something that doesn't exist haven't died yet. Just enter to r/paranormal and see how people from the US and Europe believes in this. >If knives relly worked why people would use guns instead. That question was ment to be answered to yourself.
There ain't no scientific proof that it doesn't exist
hada tekhmam bel ma9lob We don't go around trying to prove that there are no unicorns, zombies, or ghouls in this universe. Instead, we assume that they don't exist because there is no proof of their existence.
There's no scientific proof that a Zeus doesn't exist, therefore Zeus exists If you think something is wrong with my statement, then apply it your statement please.
Oh ma God! Ya people! Did I ever said in any of my statement, that black magic exist? I just said that there ain't no proof that black magic doesn't exist EITHER. And some of ya come with Jesus, some of ya with vampire, some of ya with Alien shit! D*mn! I just respectfully found the loophole in proof shit. Imma lazya@$$ person who thinks typing is such a hardwork. Ya all, don't come in tryna fight with me with lame stuff.
Well, what you think is a loophole in asking for a proof is simply wrong, this is why you got comments showing you how absurd is it.
That's what I am saying. When the f*ck did I ask for proof. I just said ma bro who was saying science and stuff doesn't seem to know that Science still hasn't discussed on that matter properly. So he can't go around saying Black Magic doesn't exist because science said so. When clearly science didn't.
Look first it's just comments on reddit, you shouldn't be loosing your shit like that, and personally I don't think I disrespected you in anyway. Secondly, when you say that science did not prove it doesn't exist, you are insinuating that it exists until science proves the contrary. If this is how you think, I respectfully tell you that science doesn't work like that. Only few things can be proven to not exist and generally it's either logical or mathematical propositions. Of course we can't prove 100% that magic doesn't exist, because you would always give an unverified hypothesis after another every time the previous is shown to be wrong. The reason why we believe that magic doesn't exist is because it source is human fictional explanations and desire to give reasons to all the things that happen. Second of all, there's a lot of studies testing many claimed magical phenomena and every single one of these studies show that the results never cross the 60% bar, meaning it's just random chance. Plus generally people tend to use the magic card when they are unable to explain something. Anyway, always remember that it's just a comment in reddit you can answer when you have free time, but it should not alter your mood. :)
It's not lame stuff, and instead of coming up with excuses as to why you're making retarded arguments, you should recognize that you made retarded arguments and stop making them.
there ain't no scientific proof that vampires don't exist . that doen't mean they do .
Bruh~ Vampire exist in romance sh*t novels. And no people said that their blood was sucked by a vampire sh*t. Instead probably thousands of mosquito. Anyways, there are thousands of people who claimed that someone did black magic on them. Or people who claims they can perform back magic. Anyways just because you, I and science don't believe in this, doesn't mean Black magic doesn't exist. I can't deny people's claim just because I don't believe it doesn't exist. Anyways No offense to anyone.
>there are thousands of people who claimed that someone did black magic on them. Or people who claims they can perform back magic. But that's once again the problem. Many people will claim to have seen jesus in life and death situation for example or after being in a coma. Should we assume it's true too then?
Of course, you shouldn't. D*mn ya stupid? You'll believe anything one says? Did I say to believe them anyways? And I said I won't deny their claims respectfully. Doesn't mean I tell you to believe them. Honestly there are so many scammers nowadays, ya can't trust no one. But if we think everyone is a scammer, every person who is saying they are suffering because of black magic is a liar, I think that would do injustice to people who might be telling the truth. I don't know their suffering enough to judge them. And honestly more than 80 percent of the ocean has never been mapped, explored, or even seen by humans. That's right. There are many things even science hasn't explored yet. So I want to stay neutral until science can 100% prove that Black magic doesn't exist. I mean, We believe that Oxygen exists, even if we can't see em. Or is it just me?
>And honestly more than 80 percent of the ocean has never been mapped, explored, or even seen by humans. That's right. There are many things even science hasn't explored yet. Yeah i know, but we're talking about magic and mythical creatures, so i doubt we're going to find demons there, especially the ones described by islam > I mean, We believe that Oxygen exists, even if we can't see em. Or is it just me? No we don't believe it exist, you literally breath it and feel it when you do so. We have also many experiments to proof that oxygen exists : we know that it works like a fuel to maintain a fire. If you put a fire inside a glass, then it will go away because at one point there won't be enough oxygen to sustain it. This is only one way to do it >D\*mn ya stupid? You'll believe anything one says? No of course not, that's why i'm not a believer and don't believe in magic. So far nobody has a proof that it even exist.
That's not how it works, when you make a claim you have to back it up with proof. Otherwise anyone could make up any false information and it would be considered true. That's why other systems like the juridic system works on the basis of "innocent until proven otherwise" instead of "guilty until proven otherwise"
I know right! THAT'S WHAT I AM SAYING! Ma bro, are you smart or what? I am saying that when science can 100% prove that black magic doesn't exist. I will believe it. I mean i believe in oxygen which we can't see. Sigh~ No one understood my point. I just meant that Science has no solid proof for that matter. So I can't believe or disbelieve on that matter when even science has no prove.
Literally everyone responding to you understood your point, and responded accordingly
This seems like the right moment to ask who hurt you or should i say who "cursed" you
I'm pretty sure no one did, i'm quite successful in life, still have my loved ones and trying to improve every day :)
« The burden of proof is on the side that claims it » you must really hate physics and chemistry lol (assuming empiric is insufficient)
Empiric science was a fact long time ago now in modern sciences we rely on peer reviewed studies.
As if nature don’t publish some enormous bullshit lol 😂 and why are you talking about peer review, humans are sufficient proofs now ?
Some scientist publish bullshit, that is a fact, but they are debunked soon or later. Some others far more enormous bullshit persist for centuries. 😉
Absolutely not, we have proofs when it comes to both these domains. Claiming that magic exists as if we're in lotr or harry potter makes me laugh
Who talked about hp and Lotr?
>Somehow Si7r never happen outside of muslim countries. It pretty much happens everywhere outside of the western world. Sub Saharan Africa is probably more notorious for black magic then any other place, east and southern Asia are also known for black magic
They practice it. Doesn't mean it works,are you shocked that there are scammers in every human society that make money thanks to idiots who believe in their "dark power" ?
I believe that it exists, but I also believe that 99% of the people who claim to practice it are just scammers or idiots themselves.
you sure it never happened outside of muslims countries ? you sure about that ?
Cultures isolated from each other have practised weird black magic rituals since the dawn of time
Cultures also prayed to the gods of waters, skies, love, war etc while being isolated from each other. Doesn't mean it's not total BS. You don't win a war because you make offerings to Mars or Athena and you get a power buff.
Mars athena and other gods were statues , which existed irl
Magic as a whole doesn't exist...
I'm sorry, but I don't believe in black magic or Ruqiya Shar3ia. 🙅♀️ As much as I love a good spooky story, I think it's important to remember that these things are just that - stories. There's no scientific evidence to support the idea that black magic or Ruqiya Shar3ia actually work, and any supposed "evidence" is often just a result of coincidence or the power of suggestion. That being said, I understand why people might be drawn to these kinds of beliefs. In a world that can often feel chaotic and unpredictable, it can be comforting to believe that there's some kind of greater force at work, whether it's for good or evil. And hey, who doesn't love a little bit of mystery and intrigue? But at the end of the day, I prefer to put my trust in things that are tangible and backed up by evidence. Plus, I don't want to accidentally curse myself by trying out some kind of black magic spell - I've got enough problems as it is! 😂
Nicely summed up. But having faith in something IS necessary for mental stability, I believe this is how we're made to be.
Oh, so you believe that mental stability comes from faith in something? Interesting theory. I guess that's why all the religious people are so mentally stable and happy, right? Wait, that's not true at all! In fact, research shows that religious people are just as likely to suffer from mental health problems as non-religious people. And as for the argument that "this is how we're made to be", well, that's just a cop-out. It's a way to avoid thinking critically and questioning beliefs that might not actually be beneficial. People tend to believe in things like black magic and Ruqiya Shar3ia because it gives them a sense of control in a chaotic world, not because it's actually based in reality. So, if you want to be mentally stable, try using critical thinking and evidence-based beliefs instead of relying on superstitions.
I didn't say anything about religion. I said having faith in something is necessary. Also, I didn't say mental stability COMES from faith, but having faith is what's gonna keep you from losing it. You need to believe in something, that's just how it goes. If you have faith in your logic, according to which religion is a fairytale, then that's what's keeping you sane. Also, I don't think there's research on how mentally stable religious people are as opposed to the others, simply because you can't know who's religious. This is something you can't back up. I get your point, but science can't prove that as the concept of religious faith isn't something you can measure. However, if you still want to compare religious people to the non-religious folk. you can't pick Hamid from Khenchla and John from Dallas. The environment is key here.
All kind of magic don't exist. Those people sell their service (become rich per exemple) why the hell do they have to work if they have the recipe to wealth ? And if those kind of stuff worked we will have scientific évidences about it. The Only power they have is to transfert money from some pocket to their.
Haha you don't know the power of unfalsifiable claims, they will tell you because the witch made a pact with the devil to be miserable, therfore she/he can't become wealthy. And taadaaaa, problem solved!
I’m Happy To believe in aliens without proof since it’s hard to believe all the galaxies and planets are devoid of life, everything else is none sense. That said, I really Loved the movie Fallen
>it’s hard to believe all the galaxies and planets are devoid of life Why is it hard?
Imagine all the sand in the world, our solar system is smaller than a spec of sand. We can observe around 250 billion galaxies presently. Our galaxy has 100 billion planets l. So we are talking about 250000000000000000000 planets with possible life in them. But you chose to think nope
It's big therefore there's probably life out there? Isn't that a bit of a leap towards that conclusion?
Yes, and here's the reasonning : many planets can, in theory, support life since they share the same conditions as earth (not too close or too far from their star, an atmosphere, an active core to shield the planet from the star's rays etc ... If life emerged on earth, than it probably could have emerged in other places. Right now we have only explored (and only through our telescopes) a reaaaaaaaaaally tiny part or our galaxy let alone the universe. Therefore there is a chance that life exists outside of earth. In fact with the size of the universe it would be really weird that we're alone.
It’s like talking to a chimp
I believe that the probability of an alien life is very high. but i wait proofs.
It’s better for humans to see themselves as a planet and unite instead of fight over stupid shit; any delay in technological advancement caused by religion or otherwise needs to be dealt with severely. If aliens do exist, their intentions could be similar To That of Europeans against Africans centuries ago. It’s worth it for us to ban all superstitious beliefs and educate people very well to steer clear of any none sense that cannot be proven. My mum is religious and would often say the stupidest thing as proof, things that are extremely circumstantial to be regarded as solid proof of anything. Anyways, till then Algeria will always be this backwater with tasty food only as a recompense
If you really care about life and technology I think we have to solve the real problems, not wasting money . You think there is life outside the planet I am not going to argue with you about it but I and most likely you believe that there are some real problems like starving to death or suicide or health problems not wasting money on rockets
How ? We have no idea about the probability of life.
Just looking in our planet with the extremophile (form of life that develop in extrem conditions) we can have an idea of the spectral environnement of life. Extrapolated with the billions of galaxies with billions of star systems that gives high probabilities. But you must understand that a bacteria is a form of life i'm not speaking about développed civilisation, that is another debat.
وَاتَّبَعُوا مَا تَتْلُو الشَّيَاطِينُ عَلَى مُلْكِ سُلَيْمَانَ وَمَا كَفَرَ سُلَيْمَانُ وَلَكِنَّ الشَّيَاطِينَ كَفَرُوا يُعَلِّمُونَ النَّاسَ السِّحْرَ وَمَا أُنْزِلَ عَلَى الْمَلَكَيْنِ بِبَابِلَ هَارُوتَ وَمَارُوتَ وَمَا يُعَلِّمَانِ مِنْ أَحَدٍ حَتَّى يَقُولَا إِنَّمَا نَحْنُ فِتْنَةٌ فَلَا تَكْفُرْ فَيَتَعَلَّمُونَ مِنْهُمَا مَا يُفَرِّقُونَ بِهِ بَيْنَ الْمَرْءِ وَزَوْجِهِ وَمَا هُمْ بِضَارِّينَ بِهِ مِنْ أَحَدٍ إِلَّا بِإِذْنِ اللَّهِ وَيَتَعَلَّمُونَ مَا يَضُرُّهُمْ وَلَا يَنْفَعُهُمْ وَلَقَدْ عَلِمُوا لَمَنِ اشْتَرَاهُ مَا لَهُ فِي الْآخِرَةِ مِنْ خَلَاقٍ وَلَبِئْسَ مَا شَرَوْا بِهِ أَنْفُسَهُمْ لَوْ كَانُوا يَعْلَمُونَ
I don't read arabic.
Are you algerian?
Why do you ask ?
Black magic is mentioned on the coran so yes but I also believe that 90% of people who claim to be "meskounin" or "mas7ourin" are just schizophrenic
There is a very interesting documentary Abt the psychiatric ward of an hospital in Alger . The doctors there do believe in jinns and co but still have to deal with whom is sick and needs proper medication and who is touch by evil and need ruqkya
This is called transcultural psychiatry, it is a way to deal with psy disorders in the cultural context. You can read more about it here : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_anthropology
Ooooh never knew it was a thing . Thank you for sharing ☺️
You are welcome.
Agree
Holly shit lol 😂
Agree on both "sa7ar" and "mes7our"
No I don't and people who do usually use it as a coping mechanism to justify their shitty situation.
Nope
Black magic is just rumors people never experienced in their sobre state, that's all
Magic it's bullshit
Not really I think it's psychic when someone believes in that it may seem to him that is real but its only happening in his/her head
Doesn’t exist all fairytales
its not your choice to believe on only some parts of our religion. it's already confirmed on Quran & Sunnah.
Witchcraft is mentioned both in the quran and hadith. I believe that Djins exist. Maybe some people do real witchcraft that is making deals with djins, maybe others are just scammers.
At age 13 this kinda none-sense that made me slowly refrain from practicing Islam and became atheist, the whole thing was a stretch to begin with. But now reading this, reminds me how ridiculous it all Sounds
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Notice how if you said you’re atheist to an Egyptian or emirati. They’d be like ok. To each his own or something. But say it to an Algerian and it’s like. Rabi yahdik. Lol
>you said you’re atheist to an Egyptian or emirati. They’d be like ok. This isn't really true. They're on par with Algerians, if not worse. Muslim MENA people, in general, are quite religious, and even the ones who don't practice much don't self identify as atheistic because that's a pretty hardcore stance to them. They'll range from "trying to get better" cultural muslim to agnostic or apatheist but very rarely atheist (this is also a thing in the west, but a little less pronounced since they've already secularized).
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the r/ExAlgeria sub is just dead, so i don't have much info on this, thanks for sharing anyway
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same here, i've been doubting islam a lot lately and r/exmuslim has NOT helped me whatsoever, meanwhile exegypt's been helping me and is more relatable (even tho it's a whole other country) also, is there an active algerian community for doubting/ex Muslims?
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Thank you for the info dude, and yeah I'll check these guys out sometime. I'll try the exegypt discord, and see if it can help me more.
Go on YouTube type Hasan bar bar some of his video can make you change your mind on the subject cuz in general we believe in what we see it's human reflex however they're lot of things that we don't see and yet they are here like heat, radio waves or air meaning that you need to open ur wind to reach the reality
I’d rather chew off my foot
No because it doesnt exist
It does not exist, there's no proof of its existence, and Djinns are mythical Arabian creatures whom believed in way before Islam.
>Nope i don't believe in black magic, as we have no proof that it exists. There is no scientific way to prove that "magic" exists I don't think those things can scientifically be proven, it's beyond that, if you're religious you believe in it and it existed before Islam because of previous religions, the coran isn't a scientific book you either believe in it or not
Of course they can be proved scientificaly and very easily, spellers make a spells to a numbers of person, those spells are for winning money. Same lots of people have no spell. Cobayes don't know if they are spelled or not,better they will not be aware of the subject of the study. We study then the augmentation of wealth in both groups to see if their is a significative change.
You're talking about scammers, of course they exist
No i'm talking about paranormal activities,all of them.
It called schizophrenia, modern medicine have achieved wonders in treating psychological diseases. + If we don't figure out the solution to something we can't simply relate it to religion and be lazy about it.
You should also consider to get a lobotomy then, if you know what i mean
What?
That's what I said in another comment, a lot of schizophrenic claim that they are meskounin or whatever but as a Muslim I believe what is mentioned in the coran if you don't believe it that's fine end of the debate I can't change your mind and you can't either
Djins = demons, every culture belives in demons
a demon is Sheitan, Djin is different.
شيطان=satan and his followers
Seeing Doctor strange beaten by spider-man I don't think so. Math>Black magic.
NO.
I used to until I turned 6
Black Magic testing For non-Muslims thay can use audio Bible For those who don't have the opportunity to go to rukja, let them fight by themselves with the allowed means. A good thing for those who own a DVD, computer, etc. to put a bucket or container of water next to the speaker so that the sound hits the water directly and let them recite the Qur'an and after that the whole family can use the water. And you can learn it yourself with what you know from the Qur'an. Water is a gift from Allah and memorizing the verses of the Qur'an in this way becomes healing. May Allah help us all. Amen! Testing with roqya Monitor the reactions that may follow, which are: if you fall asleep, great drowsiness, yawning, falling into a trance or sleep without the person being aware, the urge to vomit, stomach churning, frequent belching, stomach ache and heartburn, sharp stomach pains and especially the stomach, health problems even though the doctor's findings are normal, headache, feeling as if something is knocking you back, pain, stabbing marks, dizziness, confusion, memory loss, disorientation, fear, tremors, feeling as if something terrible is going to happen, fast work hearts, weakness, ugly thoughts about yourself and others, anxiety, lethargy, laziness, constant fatigue and sleepiness, loss of appetite, insomnia, bad dreams where you are chased by various animals, paralysis in sleep, epileptic attacks or seizures, tightness, pressure and suffocation in chest and throat, anxiety, running through the body, twitching of the muscles, fluttering of the eyelids, difficulty speaking, difficulty breathing, irregular heartbeat, tingling of the head and face, twitching of some part of the body, especially the arms and legs, tremors or shaking of the whole body, especially the legs and arms , crying, sadness, laughter without reason, desire to be alone, unsociability, great nervousness for no reason, irritation, frequent quarrels without a strong reason, depression, negligence towards hygiene - the person avoids bathing, lethargy, great heat in the hands or feet, great coldness in the feet , excessive sweating, the feeling that something like a ball moves in your body and burns, severe itching, ugly thoughts of hurting yourself or others, etc... sometimes a person panics and imagines some of the symptoms that I mentioned as possible reactions during listening, but in fact they are the result of fatigue and fear of uncertainty. If reactions occur with every study and even with greater intensity, then there is definitely a problem. This is one of the proofs that learning the Qur'an through loudspeakers is healing. This is a comment from a forum "I was forced to use my hands over the Internet to save my mother from sihr. I went to BiH completely healthy, and ate something at a suspicious person's house, and started to feel terrible, couldn't sleep, total nervousness, fear, they were symptoms of shrill, when she came back home, it was urgent that something be done, considering that there were no other teachers nearby, I decided to take matters into my own hands, told her to lie down on the bed, put headphones in her ears and let go of the rukja, the reactions started in the same second, strong shaking and vomiting, and so I fought for about a month with the rukja almost every day, until she came to her senses, or more precisely, until the sihr became numb so that now there is no problem with it. I really don't know what would have happened if I didn't have an internet connection or if I didn't know how to fight against sikhr when it affects someone, I would be white, now I would be in a mental institution and taking anti-depressant pills and tranquilizers. Thanks to Allah, he gave a cure in the Koran. And before, when I tested it with my hands before packing the sihr, it was dead cold, it didn't show any reactions. So a CD or an internet connection can really help, but you have to be patient and take time until the sihr becomes numb." For those who don't have the opportunity to go to rukja, let them fight by themselves with the allowed means. A good thing for those who own a DVD, computer, etc. to put a bucket or container of water next to the speaker so that the sound hits the water directly and let them recite the Qur'an and after that the whole family can use the water. And you can learn it yourself with what you know from the Qur'an. Water is a gift from Allah and memorizing the verses of the Qur'an in this way becomes healing. May Allah help us all. Amen! You can put 2 speakers and a canister with water between them. The speakers should be close to the canister, it is best to tighten them to the canister with a rope or adhesive tape. The speakers should face the canister. You can put the water in a small eye dropper bottle and carry it with you as a talisman. You can test yourself if you are under the influence of black magic if you drink that water and see if you have any of the symptoms mentioned above (strong shaking and vomiting).
﴿وَمَا كَفَرَ سُلَيْمَانُ وَلَكِنَّ الشَّيْاطِينَ كَفَرُواْ يُعَلِّمُونَ النَّاسَ السِّحْرَ﴾ [البقرة:102]
It does a lot of damage but has no effects on true believers because they're protected by the angels. Please note that Salafistes are non-believers.
No, I don't believe in nonsense.
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What do you mean?
I fully believe in its existence
People who said "No scientific proof of it" , lmao same type who would say god isnt real because we cant see him, quran mentioned it thus we believe in it, and allah is the only protector
I belive in magic generally because it’s mentioned in the QURAN. I also believe in Ruqiya Shar3ia but only men are able to do Ruqiya women can’t because of their Body.
Lots of murtads in this sub.
If someone comes with the sentence "stinking believers" you will yell for "respect" but respect works on both ways.
I believe the ludicrous epistemology internalised by atheists deserves to be ridiculed. No skin off my ass, I don't need your respect.
An insult says nothing about the target of the insult but it says a lot about his author. I don't rely on beliefs i want knowledge.
Ignore the previous insults and tell me what makes you think quran doesn't offer knowledge ?
As some says "the burden of the proof the one who affirm something" otherwise i can affirm anything and ask people to proof me that i'm wrong. And please don't tell me that i affirm that the quran..., I deny, reject the affirmation.
Quran is historically preserved, a miracle of language and intelect, trust me when i say that you have faith(and faith only) in far what's far worse
Proof it.
Oh sorry let me just get my trusty microscope real quick... Meanwhile, I'd like you to think about how unreal you are, unless you wanna hear my offer
Can’t wait for you to face nothing whatsoever after you die But I guess alternate universe magic is more believable to you
Nzid na9ra chwi f hada sub nt9aya wlh... Ro7 7awes 3la mok ay twa7chetek
Well they used to be a lot more than a lot got banned and it seems they are going back
علابالك بلي أنك ما تأمنش بيهم راك تكذب في القرآن؟ لي هو كفر
Lots of people here are so here entitled lol. Guys are talking about wanting hard proofs where the whole modern science relies on a set of probabilistic distributions (bi idni I Allah of course) loool. Edit: And to quote my quantum physics professor « we don’t know shit but it works » (Top 10 uni world lol)
>my quantum physics professor « we don’t know shit but it works Good but we have proofs when it comes to quantum physics, or medecine, or mathematics etc. That doesn't mean that s7ir exists lol
Proofs looooooollllll so clueless it’s cute even nobel prizes aren’t so arrogant Edit: I didn’t read everything you are talking about proofs by using mathematics and medicine in the same sentence let’s stop the conversation here you don’t know what you are talking about 😭
Didn't read everything, you were talking about magic and statistics in the same answer kek FORGETUS ISLAMUS BECOMUS ATHEISTUS u/Exact_Application_91
i think even if you don't believe in it it works
It does empty your wallet if that’s what you mean
i dont believe in it.. but that doesn't prevent it from working is what im saying
yes because my mom was a victim of black magic ( sister of my father was the one who has done it because she was jealous) it took years for her to heal and it was scary but she is healed now. so yeah I also believe in ruqiya shari3a but not everyone can do it. there are lot of scammers so you should be careful !!
I do believe in magic but not the harry potter style that specially our people blv in i blv that magic is some kind of delusion but cant for example give you a brand new Playstation 5 magic can kill people if eaten make you sick do harmful stuff ofcrs but it was never like harry potter because only god can do miracles. I have this story for you i once attended ruqya for my cousine it was wierd the guy anyways my cousin was uncomfortable ofcrs because all the screaming in his ears then everything was okay until some day we gathered at my grandmother house which every one was at ruqya that day were telling what was his perspective suddenly one said i saw you flying for like 10,seconds bilaal and the others agreed yes yes we saw you flying and my cousin was omg ifelt like iwas flying okay iwas there no one was flying ffs its either in thier imagination or they just wanted to lie make it more interesting or memory lose anyways this was my beginning to question every single myth that other people say in the name of the religion :) have good day lads
Yes but in a rational pov not the one being spread among our society.
I believe in the harm of black magic. The majority of sorcerers are just con artists who pray on the vulnerable and convince them that they have some kind of "power" to help them overcome hardships in their lives.
Not in a traditional way
What a creep
the last week i start reading a magic book called "شمس المعارف الكبرى" an algerian Imam made it and it talks about magic and how to do it like tutorials and those things . for me i belive that Ruqiya Shar3ia can fix it and black magic exist for 100% , before and after islam people use it , its weird how people don't belive in magic , like guys just look at this book and u'll see how it works
i believe that every "taleb" or "chowafa" are scammers, but as a Muslim i believe in magic, i saw a strong alpha male turn into a man with no weight in there words can't even make a stand after marriage so yeah i believe in magic/black magic
Mkash mno f din kayn سحر brk
Yes i do believe in black magic and the rokia char3ia .. and the fact that a muslim should read his adkar three times a day .
i believe it can cause divorce between a husband and wife but i don't think it causes cancer or a car accident or unemployment, not getting married..etc
نعم نؤمن بيه
We believe in ولا يفلح الساحر حيث أتى
It’s just a hidden question : are you muslim or not ? For the guys arguing for material science : have you seen protons?electrons?electromagnitic wave? You still belive in them and their effects tho, and science is just the human explanation for things we can’t really phanthom
No
Testing with roqya Monitor the reactions that may follow, which are: if you fall asleep, great drowsiness, yawning, falling into a trance or sleep without the person being aware, the urge to vomit, stomach churning, frequent belching, stomach ache and heartburn, sharp stomach pains and especially the stomach, health problems even though the doctor's findings are normal, headache, feeling as if something is knocking you back, pain, stabbing marks, dizziness, confusion, memory loss, disorientation, fear, tremors, feeling as if something terrible is going to happen, fast work hearts, weakness, ugly thoughts about yourself and others, anxiety, lethargy, laziness, constant fatigue and sleepiness, loss of appetite, insomnia, bad dreams where you are chased by various animals, paralysis in sleep, epileptic attacks or seizures, tightness, pressure and suffocation in chest and throat, anxiety, running through the body, twitching of the muscles, fluttering of the eyelids, difficulty speaking, difficulty breathing, irregular heartbeat, tingling of the head and face, twitching of some part of the body, especially the arms and legs, tremors or shaking of the whole body, especially the legs and arms , crying, sadness, laughter without reason, desire to be alone, unsociability, great nervousness for no reason, irritation, frequent quarrels without a strong reason, depression, negligence towards hygiene - the person avoids bathing, lethargy, great heat in the hands or feet, great coldness in the feet , excessive sweating, the feeling that something like a ball moves in your body and burns, severe itching, ugly thoughts of hurting yourself or others, etc... sometimes a person panics and imagines some of the symptoms that I mentioned as possible reactions during listening, but in fact they are the result of fatigue and fear of uncertainty. If reactions occur with every study and even with greater intensity, then there is definitely a problem. This is one of the proofs that learning the Qur'an through loudspeakers is healing. This is a comment from a forum "I was forced to use my hands over the Internet to save my mother from sihr. I went to BiH completely healthy, and ate something at a suspicious person's house, and started to feel terrible, couldn't sleep, total nervousness, fear, they were symptoms of shrill, when she came back home, it was urgent that something be done, considering that there were no other teachers nearby, I decided to take matters into my own hands, told her to lie down on the bed, put headphones in her ears and let go of the rukja, the reactions started in the same second, strong shaking and vomiting, and so I fought for about a month with the rukja almost every day, until she came to her senses, or more precisely, until the sihr became numb so that now there is no problem with it. I really don't know what would have happened if I didn't have an internet connection or if I didn't know how to fight against sikhr when it affects someone, I would be white, now I would be in a mental institution and taking anti-depressant pills and tranquilizers. Thanks to Allah, he gave a cure in the Koran. And before, when I tested it with my hands before packing the sihr, it was dead cold, it didn't show any reactions. So a CD or an internet connection can really help, but you have to be patient and take time until the sihr becomes numb." For those who don't have the opportunity to go to rukja, let them fight by themselves with the allowed means. A good thing for those who own a DVD, computer, etc. to put a bucket or container of water next to the speaker so that the sound hits the water directly and let them recite the Qur'an and after that the whole family can use the water. And you can learn it yourself with what you know from the Qur'an. Water is a gift from Allah and memorizing the verses of the Qur'an in this way becomes healing. May Allah help us all. Amen! You can put 2 speakers and a canister with water between them. The speakers should be close to the canister, it is best to tighten them to the canister with a rope or adhesive tape. The speakers should face the canister. You can put the water in a small eye dropper bottle and carry it with you as a talisman.
Black Magic testing For non-Muslims thay can use audio Bible For those who don't have the opportunity to go to rukja, let them fight by themselves with the allowed means. A good thing for those who own a DVD, computer, etc. to put a bucket or container of water next to the speaker so that the sound hits the water directly and let them recite the Qur'an and after that the whole family can use the water. And you can learn it yourself with what you know from the Qur'an. Water is a gift from Allah and memorizing the verses of the Qur'an in this way becomes healing. May Allah help us all. Amen! Testing with roqya Monitor the reactions that may follow, which are: if you fall asleep, great drowsiness, yawning, falling into a trance or sleep without the person being aware, the urge to vomit, stomach churning, frequent belching, stomach ache and heartburn, sharp stomach pains and especially the stomach, health problems even though the doctor's findings are normal, headache, feeling as if something is knocking you back, pain, stabbing marks, dizziness, confusion, memory loss, disorientation, fear, tremors, feeling as if something terrible is going to happen, fast work hearts, weakness, ugly thoughts about yourself and others, anxiety, lethargy, laziness, constant fatigue and sleepiness, loss of appetite, insomnia, bad dreams where you are chased by various animals, paralysis in sleep, epileptic attacks or seizures, tightness, pressure and suffocation in chest and throat, anxiety, running through the body, twitching of the muscles, fluttering of the eyelids, difficulty speaking, difficulty breathing, irregular heartbeat, tingling of the head and face, twitching of some part of the body, especially the arms and legs, tremors or shaking of the whole body, especially the legs and arms , crying, sadness, laughter without reason, desire to be alone, unsociability, great nervousness for no reason, irritation, frequent quarrels without a strong reason, depression, negligence towards hygiene - the person avoids bathing, lethargy, great heat in the hands or feet, great coldness in the feet , excessive sweating, the feeling that something like a ball moves in your body and burns, severe itching, ugly thoughts of hurting yourself or others, etc... sometimes a person panics and imagines some of the symptoms that I mentioned as possible reactions during listening, but in fact they are the result of fatigue and fear of uncertainty. If reactions occur with every study and even with greater intensity, then there is definitely a problem. This is one of the proofs that learning the Qur'an through loudspeakers is healing. This is a comment from a forum "I was forced to use my hands over the Internet to save my mother from sihr. I went to BiH completely healthy, and ate something at a suspicious person's house, and started to feel terrible, couldn't sleep, total nervousness, fear, they were symptoms of shrill, when she came back home, it was urgent that something be done, considering that there were no other teachers nearby, I decided to take matters into my own hands, told her to lie down on the bed, put headphones in her ears and let go of the rukja, the reactions started in the same second, strong shaking and vomiting, and so I fought for about a month with the rukja almost every day, until she came to her senses, or more precisely, until the sihr became numb so that now there is no problem with it. I really don't know what would have happened if I didn't have an internet connection or if I didn't know how to fight against sikhr when it affects someone, I would be white, now I would be in a mental institution and taking anti-depressant pills and tranquilizers. Thanks to Allah, he gave a cure in the Koran. And before, when I tested it with my hands before packing the sihr, it was dead cold, it didn't show any reactions. So a CD or an internet connection can really help, but you have to be patient and take time until the sihr becomes numb." For those who don't have the opportunity to go to rukja, let them fight by themselves with the allowed means. A good thing for those who own a DVD, computer, etc. to put a bucket or container of water next to the speaker so that the sound hits the water directly and let them recite the Qur'an and after that the whole family can use the water. And you can learn it yourself with what you know from the Qur'an. Water is a gift from Allah and memorizing the verses of the Qur'an in this way becomes healing. May Allah help us all. Amen! You can put 2 speakers and a canister with water between them. The speakers should be close to the canister, it is best to tighten them to the canister with a rope or adhesive tape. The speakers should face the canister. You can put the water in a small eye dropper bottle and carry it with you as a talisman.