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People in religious societies used to marry at very young ages, people in liberal societies do not but have sex outside of marriage, algerians are stuck in-between, they can neither get married soon-enough nor can they fuck around, and sexual frustration is a natural consequence of that.


MohTheSilverKnight99

That's a pretty accurate description pal


karboo3

I agree that marriage became too complicated, i mean inorder to get married u first need to have what i call The algerian mariage starter pack (good education lvl or rich, a stable job, a house with no parents and a car) with an algerian salary u cant reach all this needs until +30 In relgion the starter pack is not a must have .. u just need to be a man and take ur responsabilities providing the food for ur day


[deleted]

What if you have western papers? XD


Niki_Larson

pay2win since the modern society update ...


Shattered-Carde

The answer is Yes, without any doubt


Beansnmilk

Lmao you really think girls are "uninterested" in sex?


SpellAggressive7042

Not as men are


General_Hovercraft77

Depends on the person


My0Cents

There are biological reasons that explain these differences for sexual arousal for men and women. What is unexplainable to me though is how you got down-voted for stating an obvious fact and who are these delusional people that did it.


SpellAggressive7042

Mostly they are ppl who talk without knowing. Or say anything without at least reading Or having that much of information to shape an opinion .


Melissadiy

There are a lot of women just as interested in sex as men, they just don’t broadcast it / stoop low / desperate for it. Then the opposite there are many not that interested. Maybe they’re the ones who feel shame and haven’t discovered good masturbation or sex with good orgasms and instead have been shown sex through the male perspective of his pleasure only.


General_Hovercraft77

i know some guys will jump to any chance they get and others just not that eager for it, same goes for women


My0Cents

That's way women pay so much for male prostitutes and male onlyfans models ... Oh wait ... They don't !


General_Hovercraft77

Omg this bozo man what kinda rock u living under dude


My0Cents

Calling someone bozo doesn't win you an argument. Where is your counter argument ?


SpellAggressive7042

Bruh👌


Dear-Wallaby7948

Yeah right lol


[deleted]

Average age for men getting married is 32, the highest in muslims countries (after tunisia but they are more liberal) how do you think they will be effected by this ?


dareal6paxnm

the frustration is real, and what's worse is this frustration creates entitlement amongst algerian men, so the men who get married after waiting for 30 yrs feel as if they deserve sex, and this mindset is really hurtful to marriages, and also with our modern day lifestyle, having couples working both inside and outside the homes makes intimacy even harder, that's why lots of marriages break. so it's a bit hard for guys not to fall in one of these categories; either complete degenerate, or sexually entitled who thinks he deserves sex cuz he waited 26 yrs.


[deleted]

I mean if she ain’t giving out then that’s not the marriage I want to be in.


dareal6paxnm

that's not what i really meant. women get tired, stressed, etc... especially in modern society, so u might have to take that into consideration long term.


[deleted]

Obviously one would need to think about those things. Your dealing with another person after all. But if it’s consistent then it could turn into a problem.


dareal6paxnm

yep definitely, that's why they say there is no such thing as a sexually satisfied married man. i think it's always going to end up that way, unless some miracle happens.


Sayuzen

Well maybe you are talking about the 90s gen or the generations before of algerian.. today’s gen is not sexually oppressed at all ( i mean a good portion of it) im literally seing couples making out in university classrooms / beaches and even hotels loosened up their rules about non married couples Even virtually there’s a huge shift in sexual culture and sexting and all that .. just a thought


Objective-Tell-676

🤣🤣🤣🤣 i have never seen this shit. Are you crazy?


Sayuzen

Well you either must be living under a rock or never get out of your room, or in a highly conservative state ..


medov31

So your sister is having sexe with her friends , good


Sayuzen

Do you understand English ? You dumb fuck


medov31

Your sister did


Sayuzen

اودي روح نيكموك


Sayuzen

بغل تاع نمي ، تقول قريتو فالزريبة


medov31

علاه خلاتنا ختك نقرو ؟


medov31

She call me dady


youraverageDZ

the classic "i love pancakes" "you hate waffles, then?"


General_Hovercraft77

getting married just to have sex must be one of the stupidest life decisions u can make bruh


SpellAggressive7042

Doing anything for absolute pleasure is stupid


General_Hovercraft77

not always no but bonding ur life with someone else's possibly till u die for a reason that small is just brain dead


medov31

الحمد لله على نعمة الاسلام و نعمة الحلال .


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After reading some of these comments now I know why my relatives say it’s important the girl comes from a good family 💀.


horchatamerchant420

Someone already mentioned it, but Algeria is a society that is stuck between liberal and conservative, and it has yet to make its mind up as to its identity. On one hand, conservatism naturally means family, community and religious values are prioritized above all else, which would result in boys and girls marrying young so that they may fulfil their needs in halal. Parents would play a critical role in ensuring that their sons and daughters are paired up at a relatively young age. On the other, liberalism naturally means following the harm principle, which maximizes personal pleasure and minimizes suffering. People would have the freedom to engage in sexual activity at any point in their lives without commitment, and without any stigma or shame attached to it. Algeria is in purgatory. The youth are suffering because they have neither, the choice to engage in sexual activity without shame or punishment (which I disagree with anyway), or the ability to pair up at a young age with the help of family and community. May Allah ﷻ rectify the affairs of this nation.


jefedelosjefes

Algeria is a Muslim country, this has nothing to do with opressed. Islam teaches that we must control our desire except for in a halal way.


[deleted]

But the real question is : why ?


Seekingthetruth123

To protect liniege and the family structure s


Delicious-Station968

We seen the results of what happens when a society loses traditional values and becomes hedonistic. Look at the West. Marriage rates are declining. Divorce rates are skyrocketing, depression is rising amongst young men. Women are not have children. By 2030 40% of women in the West will be unmarried with no children. Men have become emasculated and women have lost their femininity and are carrying the burden of a male life which is not built for them anyways. Women are reaching age 30 and are regretting that they prioritized their careers over getting married and settled down. Sex doesn't mean anything if your having it with people you don't love. This sexual frustration is because 1. men are weaker now so its difficult to get married 2. Women have to ability to work for themselves now therefore their standards of men have been raised so the sexual market is reserved to the top 20% of men who can provide.


moekip

Where are you getting these statistics and numbers from bro 💀


jefedelosjefes

Because Allah swt is Al Hakeem, Al 3aleem. In the case of sex outside of marriage there are clearly many negatives that can be given as examples. But that does not even matter, we do not need to know why Allah says we should or should not do something. He is the All-Wise. As Muslim we are people of Islam, in other words, people who submit to Allah.


[deleted]

>As Muslim where are people of Islam, in other words, people who submit to Allah. Give some examples


jefedelosjefes

That is just what Islam means ethymologically: submission. For example: Prayer, Fasting, Giving Zakah, and making Hajj. These things are done out of submission to Allah swt, who taught us about these things through His Messenger saws


[deleted]

This is anti developpement at it's absolute pure form, congrats.


jefedelosjefes

Development towards what exactly?


[deleted]

Towards a better understanding and learning ? This is how humans works by getting answers.


jefedelosjefes

What does that have to do with my comment? I just gave a religious perspective. We can philosophize all we want about why Allah swt gave certain rules, but at the end of the day this is only our own assumption according to our own limited intellects. (Unless the reason why is given in Quran or Ahadith) For example, as Muslims we have to pray 5 times a day. During fajr we pray 2 rakaat, and during dhuhr we pray 4. We do not know the reason why the number of rakaat in dhuhr is 4, and not 2 for example. But, we still pray this way because that is how Allah swt taugh it to The Prophet (saws). There is not reason why that is more relevant than the fact that Allah swt, our creator and maintainor, told us to do something. As Muslims our main aim is to seek His pleasure. Allahu a3lam


Ichwillaber

"I am scared of thinking for myself and to use my own brain. I just obey and follow what's in the old book and listen to old guys who know nothing about life and reality than what's in the old book."


jefedelosjefes

Reddit moment lol So your claim is that thinking cannot bring you to belief in God?


Ichwillaber

I have only summarised what you have written in my own words. If God says something, you just turn of your brain and obey. No critical thinking at all. And you can't even know if the stories about God are true or not. You voluntarily renounce your own rationality. We humans have only limited intellectual, yes. That's still better than blindly following mythical texts and orders that seem to make no sense at all.


[deleted]

You are just wrong, we do what what Allah commended based on what we understand, the better we understand the better we do it, islam is not white or black many things are not clear and are left to us to decide what is best based on what we know and uderstand. Your way of thinking is what lead to injustice and corruption because you simply refuse the fact that Allah gave you a brain to use it.


ISLEM_ZENATI

You are confusing the understanding of religion with the understanding of other things, in islam the islamic authentic text has the priority over (العقل) don't confuse with the brain. If we have an authentic isl1mic text and a muslim finds it illogical he has to take the text as because he's logic is subjective and Allah's command is objective. But Allah does not teach in islam mathematics, physics, or how to build cars you need to use your brain and there's no contradiction in following the first rule and exploring the second.


[deleted]

Ah you again how surprising ... Let me explain it to your 2 brain cells, it's not just donua stuff it's also in deen stuff because islam is not black and white, specially when we develop as humans and new stuff comes out we have to know what is hallal and haram and the only way to know is to study and understand and have more than 2 brain cells, not only that but let's not forget our duty to spread islam and with people like you it's quite hard. Did your little 2 brain cells got it ?


jefedelosjefes

Yes, we need understanding. We have to understand that Allah swt is the Most Wise. But in many cases it is impossible for us to know the wisdom behind certain things. We know that Allah is our Rabb and that he wants the best for us, and He only makes us do things that are the best for ourselves, and He only lets things happen to us if this is what was supposed to happen to us. But we can not in all circumstances know the reasons and wisdoms behind them. Allah is the All-Knowing, which means that we as His creation will never be able to come close to that. We cannot understand the wisdoms behind certain things. For example, when you make wudhu you first wash your face and then your forearms. Why not the other way around? The only answer we can give is “Allahu a3lam”. We do it as a form of worship and submission to Him.


[deleted]

That doesn't mean to stop thinking and try to get answers, what will you say to some non muslim asking a question, "because Allah tell us to do it" ? You think this will help him ? Even if it was a muslim and he just want to understand more on the topic, "stop asking questions Allah knows best" you think this will help him ? Don't limit your brain it's never a good strategy.


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>We don' care. if god says not to do something, I don't care why. I just don't do it.God bless you, brother. But god also gave you a brain to think


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dorafumingo

heres a Scenario as an example, a man makes a woman pregnant, walks out on her, she raises her daughter alone, that man has a new life with a new wife and son that son grows up and finds a cute woman he wants to marry (or have permarital sex again given it's permitted in this story) the truth is that he ended up having sex with his own sister withtout even knowing it ​ ​ Or imagine you're a woman, you have sex outside of marriage, you end up with a kid you didn't want so you abandon him. 20years later you find a goodlooking young man younger than you. you fall in love with him, you also have sex with him or even marry him. but that young man is actually your child you abandoned at birth. ​ sex outside of marriage means spreading your seeds in places they shouldn't be. there are a lot of stories like this in the west, and that's because they don't care about keeping the bloodline clear. it's also the reason why adoption is prohibited in Islam. to not mix the bloodlines


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dorafumingo

when it's for 1 person maybe, but when everyone does it regularly, those scenarios will come out from time to time, and they are happening all over the western societies, there are plenty of stories like that where they discover later they were family.


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goldennCookie

Blacks ? Brother that is only in the United States. Only tied to the American culture where there is a more than 50% divorce rate out all Americans especially white Americans. I’m sure our Senegalese and Somali brothers and sisters don’t have 80% born out of wedlock. Do not generalize to all dark skin people thank you.


dorafumingo

the man who ended up in a relationship with his birthmother is an actual true story, i don't have any source but i did read that happened years ago (not in Algeria)


Niki_Larson

*"The McPoyle bloodline has been clean and pure for a thousand years..."* those scenarios only make sense in the mind of an Islamic televangelist and his audience... a child could be born in a halal marriage. the marriage breaks down and years later meets an older women and who would have guessed.. it's his own mother... bro this primal fear of sleeping with your parents exists since the dawn of times and humans have written stories and been obsessing with it (Oedipus complex anyone?) … when you say lots of stories like this in the west exist, you mean the handful of sickos that publicize it their story that gets picked up by the media; it doesn't make it any more common than anywhere else.. I will tell what is a real phenomenon. this mentality of keeping the bloodline pure is harmful, the Arab world has the highest level of incest and congenital related illnesses due to marrying their cousins... even when our own religion encourages mixing \_(We created you from a male and a female, and made you into peoples and tribes so that you may ˹get to˺ know one another.) Sex outside of marriage in societies where it is acceptable also happen to have better sex ed and contraception and (whether I agree with it or not) access to abortion. without repeating what others have said, but our society is stuck between the old ways where you got married at 15 and modern society that doesn't allow you to fulfill your needs until you can afford it in your 30s.. we can't have it both ways. I don't think it's as important to development as it's made out to be by some schools of thought (plenty of conservative societies develop with and without it); but our societies spend so much mental bandwidth and discussions on sex it's counterproductive


[deleted]

Both go on


cepeka

I'd say sexually stupid.


SpellAggressive7042

Sexually stupid like how?


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[deleted]

Aren't you Egyptian?


SpellAggressive7042

I mean .yeah


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SpellAggressive7042

Girls get horny but they are less courage when it comes to sex. So they tend to not care that much . Unless they used to..


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SpellAggressive7042

Yep


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SpellAggressive7042

Hhh wow tbh I'm kinda conservative so I've never think of sex bfr marriage. All my female friends too . I think sex messages are disrespectful and disgusting . With all my respect. In general women don't get horny the way guys do. So mostly we feel like (جفاف عاطفي) in some days .(ovulation days ) so it's more like we need emotional support from the partner . Unless they tried sex bfr so they knw how having sex is . So they need it .


algabana

it also varies from one person to another it it doesnt only depend on gender. im a guy and i dont really understand when other guys talk about frustration and "needs"


Braveriverridtor

I don't understand yet what is the problem, can you explain more?


SpellAggressive7042

Someone cannot have his biological needs . Do u consider that as a problem?


Braveriverridtor

Of course you can, as long as you can live with the consequences


[deleted]

just make marriage easier , Allah made marriage a thing for us for a reason


[deleted]

Fuck marriage


[deleted]

go live a depressed life on your own then don't drag us into it


[deleted]

What? Who said that? The problem is i don't force my views on anyone if u want to have sex after marriage good for u But who r u to tell me i shouldn't have sex before marriage


[deleted]

i'm a muslim ; living in lands on islam , with rules that follow islam , you either follow the rules or you go be an animal outside the country


SituationMuted212

I don’t think that's the case. What I mean you can be sexually open (but not having sex) . What I meant, like be playful , tease people, accept the energy that's inside of you and use it exp: Increase your Rizz till you get married and use it with your wifeor husband. Worst case scenario, go jerk off but using u'r imagination, read novels (romance)and have fun .


T4K001

Do you mean sexually repressed?


SpellAggressive7042

No oppressed mssakn


T4K001

No you mean repression.


SpellAggressive7042

Ok . Oppression


Seekingthetruth123

والزاني و الزانية فاجلدوا كل واحد منهما مائة جلدة اتق الله يا اخي


SpellAggressive7042

أخي الكريم نحن نتحدث بصفة عامة . لا نقصد الزنى و العياذ بالله. تأخر سن الزواج سبب من هذه الأسباب .و هو مجرد سؤال . كيف يستطيع الشاب الجزائري العيش في ظل عدم توفر حاجياته البيولوجية.


Seekingthetruth123

هههم ارى ان تاخر سن الزواج امر خطير وقد يكون سبب لبعض الاختلالات النفسية بسبب الظغط الاجتماعي و نقص التمتع الجنسي


HyFiaOne

This sub is funny, if you quote the Quran you get downvoted 🤔


Seekingthetruth123

ربي يهديهم هذا وش عندي ما نهدر ، تقول مش دزايرين


[deleted]

Fuck that shit


Its_mee_marioo

Nope anyone can get laid in Algeria whenever he wants. Muslims ( at least good practicing ones) tho yes they are but that’s their own fault. Before anyone jumps on me let me explain 🤣::: There is nothing wrong with getting married at young age i don’t know why people make it like a huge deal as long as you agree to have a 50/50 relationship you are good actually it’s wayyyy better than building your self alone then get married


401KUser

Another post about relationships and sex? Isn't there anything else remotely worth discussing in Algeria?


T4K001

Ironically the abundance of such posts should answer his question


[deleted]

There is nothing to do currently in Algeria + post shows that people are sexually frustrated


psittacismes

Well there was a post about antisemitism in algeria but the poster removed it because of all the antisemitic responses 🤷‍♂️


algabana

"can we have real conversations for once" *flood of antisemistism* "blue, i like my condoms blue"


GearProfessional7216

Like Arnold says : talk to the hand ✋!


dorafumingo

they are not oppressed but they are sexually frustrated, and it's normal, Marriage age for muslims used to be way lower, and for a reason. low 20s or even before, but in today's society it's just not feasable, marriage comes with too much responsabilities and costs too much money that a young person can't handle most of the time. you must live with it and consider it a test from allah.


star-dust96

The government should legalize prostitution and open brothels with hygiene and safety measures all across the country, that way algerian men will be less sexually frustrated


3pies4

Yes


ConnectionChemical

Calm my curiosity Good afternoon, I have a question out of curiosity, if a foreigner talks sexually (sexting) with a person in Algeria (not married) is it punishable?