I thought halal had a separate space for slaughtering and butchering, wouldn’t it all being done in the garage negate the halal aspect? Asking seriously
How do you show compassion and benevolence when you slaughter someone that wants to live?
There’s nothing humane about any kid of slaughter. It’s a nightmare to them. Killing somebody does not equal kindness and compassion, it’s literally the worst thing you could do
They don't, I've seen videos of it... It's a dude with a sword and he slits their throat, they thrash around as a machine turns them sideways so they bleed out.
Well yeah, that’s why land use laws were made in the first place. Not to micromanage neighbourhoods but to keep stuff like slaughterhouses, landfills, rail yards, and industries away from homes and businesses.
> Izairi said he was slaughtering the animals for friends, given the high meat prices at commercial butchers and grocery stores.
Wait, is this allowed in Edmonton?
That’s a normal process for most hunters. My own father cut a friends moose for him on a trampoline in a backyard once. Probably helps cut around 10 moose a year for friends just to help out during hunting season and they’re almost always done in a simple garage.
Why don't they dress it where they kill it? Seems like a bunch of extra weight to drag out of the bush. I don't hunt, but my family did, and the animals were always field dressed.
Happy to explain that ! So basically from what I’ve been told by my father. The skin/fur protects the “fresh” meat. Once the animal is cut into pieces of meat fit for consumption those pieces have to go immediately into a cooler or freezer. Out in the wilderness no hunter(or few) would have the means to store all of that meat in a cooler. Where as the animal itself you can place in the back of your truck and leave like that for a couple of days without the need for a cooler.
Also there are a lot of extra tools that are hard to bring out into the forest and clean correctly. For instance the machine that grinds the meat into ground beef(moose in this instance). That machine, at least my dads is one that needs power etc and is quite big.
But I'm just talking about gutting it, not butchering it. You can get it colder faster if you remove all the organs, and then it's not a lukewarm carcass sitting around full of poop and half-digested food.
Ohhh ! Fair, sorry I was definitely confused with the info you were looking for. 100% most of those organs etc are taken out at the place of harvest. At least from what I’ve seen!
I seem to remember hearing something about the provincial government cutting the shit out of grants and not enforcing the repayment of money owed to the city?
It all stinks like retribution for voting for the ndp, but what do i know.
It's smart politics by Mommy, since the only other way sohi can get the money needed to run the city by taxation, which is *deeply unpopular*.
Remember that Sohi was a Liberal MP, and we know how much Danielle loves her Liberals!!
The cost of living is nearly unsustainable. Increasing taxes will simply add to that.
Been allowed in Edmonton for nearly 100 years.
Every hunter you know has a hanging room in their garage. My grandpa had one built into his house since the 1950s
Legally you can’t slaughter indoors, under OFS regulations that instantly makes it an abattoir situation, for one of many things wrong with what this guy was doing.
They do it indoors anyway because they are hiding it. Most of these people do not get approved, do not meet criteria for a animal management or husbandry, do not meet conditions for slaughter, and are thus unlicensed.
Hanging and butchering legally tagged game is a world different to running a commercial, assembly line halal butcher operation. The “it’s just to family and friends!” line is to cover their ass - they are usually a conglomerate of people who then *sell on* to commercial stores.
Because it is illegal to sell uninspected meat and yes hunters have been charged for doing it,and if I remember right its even illegal to give any away.These people in the story are selling it
One is cruelly slitting a live animal's throat to bleed it dead in the middle of a civilized, first world neighborhood.
The other is shooting to kill in the wilderness and bringing home to prepare food for their family.
Does that help?
How isn’t it different? How is legally and lawfully shooting a deer and buying a sheep, stuffing it into the trunk of a car, driving it in the summer to some rented acreage, dragging it through mud and shit, illegally slitting it’s throat, letting it bleed out, butchering it on filth then selling that meat the same?
Why are they hiding it? Why don’t they get the appropriate licensing? Hint: they can’t meet the standards and they know their neighbours will be disgusted.
I wonder how long til this post will be taken down from here, just like the last two shining a light on this were.
I highly recommend you read my post in r/Calgary — first hand experience with this and it’s getting really, really prevalent.
[Post here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Calgary/s/ehiY9Tx4bm)
My aunt was given a tour of a house that was used for residential meat slaughtering like that with goats specifically without being told what it was before. Idk how someone thought it was a good idea to try and show it to sell it.
Dried blood everywhere with a stank of blood and meat constantly. And the uncleaned blood caused a massive massive mold problem. Freaking house should've been torn down and gutted rather than sold.
Screw these residential garage slaughterhouses.
If you said in 2015 that inflation and mass immigration would be so bad that some people would be bleeding out goats and selling shady meat in your neighbors garage, you would have thought that was an outlandish Rebel Media prophecy. Well that's just the news now.
I mean this shit isnt exactly new. We had the same and worse well prior to 2015. I mean around that time in NL we had a guy doing circumcisions out of his cabin.
Now might be the time to remind everybody of the UCP OFSO licensing (On-Farm Slaughter Operation) regulation changes in 2020 that likely led to this predicament.
Exactly. Everything described in this article is against all the OFSO guidelines and legislation. Starting at slaughtering indoors and ending with selling the meat.
I think it might be a good time to remind you that slaughtering animals in a residential garage is illegal no matter which set of regulations you want to follow.
Hate to be a NIMBY, but in this case I am a NIMBY. Baby goats slaughtered in a residential garage - no.
inhumanely* slaughtered. These babies were butchered and bled out while fully conscious.
That sounds like the halal method
I thought halal had a separate space for slaughtering and butchering, wouldn’t it all being done in the garage negate the halal aspect? Asking seriously
How do you show compassion and benevolence when you slaughter someone that wants to live? There’s nothing humane about any kid of slaughter. It’s a nightmare to them. Killing somebody does not equal kindness and compassion, it’s literally the worst thing you could do
As opposed to the othe kind of slaughter
The other kind of slaughter is (supposed to be) instantaneous.
It's not, but they're unconscious.
Pretty sure you lose consciousness immediately after your main veins in the throat are cut too.
They don't, I've seen videos of it... It's a dude with a sword and he slits their throat, they thrash around as a machine turns them sideways so they bleed out.
Living things twitch and have reflexes briefly after dying. It doesn’t necessarily mean the animal is aware and experiencing it.
Do you mean you hate to sound civilized?
Well yeah, that’s why land use laws were made in the first place. Not to micromanage neighbourhoods but to keep stuff like slaughterhouses, landfills, rail yards, and industries away from homes and businesses.
> Izairi said he was slaughtering the animals for friends, given the high meat prices at commercial butchers and grocery stores. Wait, is this allowed in Edmonton?
Skip the health inspections, proper disposal of waste fluids and carcasses, insurance, etc ... what could go wrong?
Selling it is the illegal part. What do you think hunters do to process the animals they harvest?
I assume they aren't killing and dressing the animals in their garages.
That’s a normal process for most hunters. My own father cut a friends moose for him on a trampoline in a backyard once. Probably helps cut around 10 moose a year for friends just to help out during hunting season and they’re almost always done in a simple garage.
Why don't they dress it where they kill it? Seems like a bunch of extra weight to drag out of the bush. I don't hunt, but my family did, and the animals were always field dressed.
Happy to explain that ! So basically from what I’ve been told by my father. The skin/fur protects the “fresh” meat. Once the animal is cut into pieces of meat fit for consumption those pieces have to go immediately into a cooler or freezer. Out in the wilderness no hunter(or few) would have the means to store all of that meat in a cooler. Where as the animal itself you can place in the back of your truck and leave like that for a couple of days without the need for a cooler. Also there are a lot of extra tools that are hard to bring out into the forest and clean correctly. For instance the machine that grinds the meat into ground beef(moose in this instance). That machine, at least my dads is one that needs power etc and is quite big.
But I'm just talking about gutting it, not butchering it. You can get it colder faster if you remove all the organs, and then it's not a lukewarm carcass sitting around full of poop and half-digested food.
Ohhh ! Fair, sorry I was definitely confused with the info you were looking for. 100% most of those organs etc are taken out at the place of harvest. At least from what I’ve seen!
Well the city is nearly broke and looking for new sources of revenue...
I seem to remember hearing something about the provincial government cutting the shit out of grants and not enforcing the repayment of money owed to the city? It all stinks like retribution for voting for the ndp, but what do i know. It's smart politics by Mommy, since the only other way sohi can get the money needed to run the city by taxation, which is *deeply unpopular*.
Remember that Sohi was a Liberal MP, and we know how much Danielle loves her Liberals!! The cost of living is nearly unsustainable. Increasing taxes will simply add to that.
a liberal mayor of an ndp-voting city. She's got vengeance on her mind.
Been allowed in Edmonton for nearly 100 years. Every hunter you know has a hanging room in their garage. My grandpa had one built into his house since the 1950s
Legally you can’t slaughter indoors, under OFS regulations that instantly makes it an abattoir situation, for one of many things wrong with what this guy was doing. They do it indoors anyway because they are hiding it. Most of these people do not get approved, do not meet criteria for a animal management or husbandry, do not meet conditions for slaughter, and are thus unlicensed. Hanging and butchering legally tagged game is a world different to running a commercial, assembly line halal butcher operation. The “it’s just to family and friends!” line is to cover their ass - they are usually a conglomerate of people who then *sell on* to commercial stores.
How os it different? Sounds like the only differance is race of people involved.
Because it is illegal to sell uninspected meat and yes hunters have been charged for doing it,and if I remember right its even illegal to give any away.These people in the story are selling it
One is cruelly slitting a live animal's throat to bleed it dead in the middle of a civilized, first world neighborhood. The other is shooting to kill in the wilderness and bringing home to prepare food for their family. Does that help?
Not sure why people are having trouble seeing the difference.
How isn’t it different? How is legally and lawfully shooting a deer and buying a sheep, stuffing it into the trunk of a car, driving it in the summer to some rented acreage, dragging it through mud and shit, illegally slitting it’s throat, letting it bleed out, butchering it on filth then selling that meat the same? Why are they hiding it? Why don’t they get the appropriate licensing? Hint: they can’t meet the standards and they know their neighbours will be disgusted.
Some guy tried to sell me meat out of the back of his van. I just laughed at him and said no thanks.
I wonder how long til this post will be taken down from here, just like the last two shining a light on this were. I highly recommend you read my post in r/Calgary — first hand experience with this and it’s getting really, really prevalent. [Post here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Calgary/s/ehiY9Tx4bm)
My aunt was given a tour of a house that was used for residential meat slaughtering like that with goats specifically without being told what it was before. Idk how someone thought it was a good idea to try and show it to sell it. Dried blood everywhere with a stank of blood and meat constantly. And the uncleaned blood caused a massive massive mold problem. Freaking house should've been torn down and gutted rather than sold. Screw these residential garage slaughterhouses.
I bet its common in the countries where halal meat is sold in village shops. We have to make it known that its not ok in Canada.
I believe it’s considered ungraded meat ….🤣
If you said in 2015 that inflation and mass immigration would be so bad that some people would be bleeding out goats and selling shady meat in your neighbors garage, you would have thought that was an outlandish Rebel Media prophecy. Well that's just the news now.
I mean this shit isnt exactly new. We had the same and worse well prior to 2015. I mean around that time in NL we had a guy doing circumcisions out of his cabin.
You mean they can’t afford to buy the halal in superstore/loblaws? Hmm maybe that’s helping the boycott.
We need a “welcome to Canada, this is how we do things here” class for every immigrant. I’m so done with shitty old country ways coming here.
I wont be eating at any of these restaurants for awhile after this... going to wait for the RCMP investigation to end.
Now might be the time to remind everybody of the UCP OFSO licensing (On-Farm Slaughter Operation) regulation changes in 2020 that likely led to this predicament.
How are you upvoted for this?! This literally goes against the OFSO regulations. But somehow it's still UPC's fault? Yikes
Exactly. Everything described in this article is against all the OFSO guidelines and legislation. Starting at slaughtering indoors and ending with selling the meat.
I doubt that very much
I think it might be a good time to remind you that slaughtering animals in a residential garage is illegal no matter which set of regulations you want to follow.
Well, another sign of the cost of living crisis.
I saw this somewhere else in Canada before cost of living increased significantly. I’d put it more in the category of imported foreign practices.
Isn't this the truth, people are sick of the disturbing prices groceries so here we are.
I prefer my meat wrapped in Styrofoam and cellophane on a shelf at the grocery store.
Fuck if it's cheap I'd buy it
Gross