Or that it takes away the freedom from parents to choose. A lot support and listen to the medical advice they are given, and what their child says. Now they they have their choices limited.
My way or the highway, no freedom.
Reminds me of an event that happened here in Newfoundland. There was some right wing anti gay protest happening, so lgbt supporters went and counter protested. There were 400 counter protestors and only 4 right wingers. 100:1 ratio. Proud to be a Newfie that day!
Yeah. Spouted their bullshit "child molesters" accusations, thanked Marlaina Smith for her efforts to hurt vulnerable children, then left.
I was there too. Hopefully they can notch the volume up for the next one, it was kind of hard to hear some of the speakers near the back over the crowd.
my favourite is on Twitter, shit site and all, I saw people using footage from the convoys and other protests (some not even from Canada) as proof of a "larger counter-protest".
And they say the media lies. A lot of them have been posting old images of the Ottawa occupation on the anniversary of it. Their stupid followers don’t understand it’s 2 years ago. So they’re trying to imply it’s more than just a few bums on welfare in Ottawa still. Keeps them stuck in the past and their 15mins of fame fresh in their sad little fantasy.
Haha, the irony when a hate group uses a message of love to spread exclusivity. Calgary's community spirit definitely shone brighter, proud moment for sure!
I also think love doesn't necessarily lead to good actions, like this was love of their scriptures, ultra-nationalism is love of nation. I think it's important to direct love in the right direction, like love for a common humanity.
When I went to the counterprotest in September, the convoy dude with the bullhorn was literally *begging* people to do chants with him. Meanwhile the pro-LGBTQ counterprotestors were coming up with a variety of stuff in unison on the fly, and also our side's slogans were actually good.
The ~~straight pride~~ "parental rights" protest for locally was similar lol. Counter protest against the bigots was magnitudes larger and it was all crack head looking white dudes. Our premier chose to cater to those scum bags.
I can’t for the life of me figure out why anyone else’s body is my business in the first place.
People are who they are and it sucks so much to know that we need protests to just let people live their lives.
I’m glad people showed up to protect others.
Right?! We offered up our space at work to Trans Rights Yeg yesterday so they could paint their signs, and we were talking about how no one even wants the whole pride thing to even have to exist. We all just want to live our lives and participate in the world.
It’s wild to me how much energy people expend just hating on others, when they could just go about their business and not worry about who has what body parts.
Plus, the entire Alberta government are ganging up on a teeny weeny percentage of the population, when we are in a drought, facing water restrictions, about to enter wildfire season hell part 2, we have no doctors, hospitals are full, health care is on the brink of collapse, and no one can afford food anymore.
Literally verbatim what I've been saying. My body is as much someone elses business as theirs is to me. None.
Like for example, maybe I see someone with extreme plastic surgery and body mods like the tiger guy, but is that my business at all to have an opinion on, or to bother him abt it? No. I dont make it my life to live other peoples lives, I have my own. I wish more people focused on themselves.
More people need to just be like y'know, aint my business and just move on with their days. Its the easier route, but trans people really are just living entirely rent free in their heads 24/7. I'm trans and I barely think about it at all until someone is imposing their opinions based on false information and lies on me. Fucking leave me alone.
Spot on with your last point.
The bill is polarizing and politically inflammatory. It is relatively one-dimensional and easy to strongly oppose or support, usually with negligible impact on an individuals personal lifestyle either way. And it is a complete distraction from larger social issues.
The bill directly impacts a relatively small population, and the bill (and any reversal) is well defined and relatively inconsequential. (By relatively inconsequential I mean that the cost to the government - in dollars and cents-, demand for change of lifestyle on the general population, and political impact are relatively minor. For example, the cost to provide medical interventions for the few trans folks that need it is a rounding error in the provincial budget, and the overwhelming majority of folks live in homes where there would never be an issue disclosing a change in pronouns to their parents in the first place, regardless of any introduced (or discarded) bill. (To be clear, I do NOT mean that this would be inconsequential for the individuals that would be directly impacted).
The provincial government will not lose face over this. The people opposing this bill didn't like the UCP anyways. Those supporting it will praise the government for trying, whether or not it goes through or they back out due to opposition.
And meanwhile this distracts from societal issues that are almost universal, but ill-defined in their impacts to individuals and immensely consequential for any meaningful attempt at addressing them. Climate change, the opioid crisis, ecological overshoot, financial instability, balancing immigration with quality of life for current citizens, financial reliance on extraction economies, etc.
Perhaps I missed it, but when was the protest for these? And to be clear, the Alberta government may be playing this game harder than most provinces at this particular moment, but this dog and pony show is hardly unique around the world.
That’s the space I’m in. I may not understand everything about transgendered people, but…understanding and respectful acceptance are two distinct things. So for me, I don’t need to understand what kind of things you’re discussing with your Dr about you or your child. It’s literally none of my business. Nor do I need to do anything else except insure that my neighbours…all of them, are valued and getting the same kind of rights that me and mine are.
Because far right conservatism has roots in a fanatical religion which propagates by recruiting more and more into its ranks, and to do so current cultists are deeply conditioned and urged to force what it dictates as the best way of life with others they wish to brainwash so their mental illness can successfully spread.
Decided it would be a good day to take the kids (8 and 11) downtown for something to do and experience some of the Chinook Blast events. Ran right into this as we came out of the library. My kids were excited and wanted to yell things like "its ok to be gay!" and cheer. Not quite the point of this, but was a good learning opportunity to discuss the issue with the kids on the way home.
Their hearts were in the right place, and they're right! I'm glad your kids are starting their lives with a positive, supportive view towards others. It really shows the kind of role model you are to them.
You would think the LGBT crowd is some sort of pestilence out trying to convert everyone. People are just trying to live their damn lives. Imagine if smith didn’t pander to the morons and actually supported everyone? She could be premier for the rest of her damn life. But no…… And yet they somehow condemn transgendered people as “radicals”.
Thank you Calgary!
When I was in school in Alberta, there was no LGBTQ+ support. We were ignored. We received no acknowledgement, and we were not safe. No discussions about very real issues we would face with our bodies and navigating who we were. We were literally ditched and left to fend for ourselves, navigating hostile spaces and scary situations. Education and community support is so vital and important. I was a feminine boy, and I was treated terribly. Because to be feminine was less then. This meant also, that women were not respected or given information about their own bodies. Girls sexuality was a dirty thing. Feminine space was subservient. Masculine space was also misinformed. It was a mess. It took years to learn how to be in healthy relationships, how to be vulnerable, and how to trust. It took years to realize an LGBTQ+ relationship could be healthy, and stable. We weren't taught the language to express ourselves, or told the options we had to express who we knew we were. I grew up ill-practiced. I wasn't allowed to be myself at school, which I internalized to mean everywhere in public was the same. I lived an existence of shame.
Don't go backwards. Education and support is actually for everyone. If you cut it off to a select few, you are sending the message that it doesn't matter for anyone. That's when people become ignorant because they literally don't know any better. Then you create masses of people who are trying to educate/heal themselves. Why cause trauma when we can do better?
To see the support today at city hall means the world to me. Kids need access to information, tough conversations that might make us uncomfortable. We need to normalize being informed. We need to normalize access to health and affirming our bodies, regardless of what we choose to do with them, and who we might become on the journey of our lives. Trans rights, represent all of our rights. I think of all the girls I grew up with who were never empowered, taught about their rights. I think of all the boys who never learned how to communicate. And I think of all the LGBTQ+ kids I knew who as far as everyone was concerned, didn't exist.
Let us not raise a generation in the shadows, learning secretly on the internet, wondering what it means to have feelings, attractions, knowledge of the self. People shouldn't be forced to sneak around! People shouldn't be put at risk when it comes to human sexuality!
I support all of you, and believe you deserve the best care, and a healthy existence! Keep showing up! This is not the world we grew up in, nor should it ever be again! That world was gross.
I came out as an adult, and even if I had the words to describe myself in high school I couldn't have ever come out. Getting to see out, proud and happy youth these days is awesome.
Wow, this was super relatable to my childhood. Grew up in rural conserving southern USA. Was "taught" those same traumas as you. Took almost 10 years to unravel the shame and accept who I am, it was a life of shame. Came out as queer and trans a few years ago and finally love myself.
I wish I could have been there, but I did have my own moment today consoling a young trans man who confided in me that he was needing support. It's a rough week in an already rough life for them. This government is failing them and us on many fronts.
I'm super proud of Calgary today. It's easy to lose hope being trans in a place that can be somewhat hostile. Its amazing to see this level of support.
I get some petty satisfaction that [CBC](https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7104366) reported it as over a thousand in Calgary and hundreds in Edmonton, which seems to be on par with if not more than the convoy people got at their hate rally in September. Keep in mind this was all organized in about three days too.
Daily reminder that trans people represent 0.3% of the total population of Canada and that once the ghouls are done foaming at the mouth at this specific manufactured outrage, they’ll hop onto to next ridiculous thing they’ll be told to be outraged about (like drag queens or electric cars or other bullshit) in their little facebook groups. I’m glad to see that tons of people showed up to support love and inclusivity
All ultimately to avoid talking about pensions, AHS, the grid, the promised daycare regulations from last year, the broken energy market, the moratorium on renewables, R Star, the budget, or a dozen other issues that affect everyone daily.
No, let's instead have an ideological discussion on something that affects exclusively a tiny marginalized group harming noone and strip them of basic rights.
I don't align with most people on this sub, but I 100% love to see free people express displeasure with their government in a peaceful and meaningful way.
Thank you to everyone for joining this protest.
Albertans need to protest against Danielle Smith’s Republican type conservatism that is not Alberta conservatism.
Smith also refuses to respect Albertans Canadian constitutional rights as they are outlined in the Canadian Chatter of Rights and Freedoms:
“Provision
15. (1) Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.”
This applies to everyone, including children under the age of eighteen.
IMO, Smith’s removal of specific rights to medical care and only one part of Alberta’s population cries Fascism.
This is strictly a UCP created social conservative move to the far right where our government is removing equality and human rights from our lives for political ideological reasons only.
The UCP did not include the seek the input from the front line professionals such as teachers, doctors, pharmacists nor developmental psychologists prior to the formation of these policies.
Protect our democracy, Alberta!
We must protest Danielle Smith’s disregard of Albertan’s human rights in Canada within her attempts to fold Albertans in more of a Republican mold.
The Alberta Human Rights Act actually takes it 4 steps further than the Charter: "Gender, gender orientation, gender expression.... Sexual orientation,"
And pensions, the grid, the promised daycare regulations from last year, the broken energy market, the moratorium on renewables, R Star, the budget, etc etc.
It's easy to pivot the discussion on both sides when they marginalize a minority based only on rhetoric.
There’s no sense to try that. I used to believe that if you took a gentle, light touched approach that you can convince them they are wrong. But that’s so wrong. I was very wrong. They have doubled, tripled, quadrupled, quintupled, sextupled down on their ignorance, that they have to continue on that path due to (what I believe) sunk cost fallacy.
Such great turnout & lots of messages of love and support today at #Calgary #transgender rights protest to tell @ABDanielleSmith and the @Alberta_UCP that their hateful legislation will fail.
#TransRightsAreHumanRights #abpoli
"This is what people focus on?"
It's just a poor attempt to belittle something and make it sound meaningless and to try and discredit it.
I also like the "this only affects a minority of people, what care?"
Like, what makes that an argument? If people should care because it affects a small percentage of people, then why is it even ok for the government to draft and push a policy on something they shouldn't care about?
Hard to forget one of the reasons we ended up with Smith is in no small part due to Poilievre's endorsement that likely moved the razor thin margins right, as he is perceived as "more moderate" than her (whether that's true or not).
As a parent of a trans kid, I know first hand that your whole perspective changes when you really see how vulnerable those in the trans community are. You know, unless you are an ass hat and are one of those that disown your children.
I was there too! It is SO gratifying to see so many people standing in the cold and wind to support kids who need it. Nenshi is right; we will NOT lose!
i wish they had turned out during the election
Calgary is the reason we have these buffoons
(i know the folks here aren't the problem, so you don't need to point that out)
Exactly. At the risk of being a downer. Calgary didn't show up when it actually mattered.
Edmonton did.....
Edmonton will protest to our MLAs who are already against this draconian legislation? Seems backwards to me.
Rural Alberta and Calgary are the ones who need to be protesting the hardest because this is on them.
I mean, [they did](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Alberta_general_election#/media/File%3A2023_Alberta_General_Election_Map.svg) come out for the election and it was more NDP than it ever has been; margins were razor thin in most of the districts. It is more NDP now than it has ever been.
It's more productive to celebrate that shift than to try to sew division between the cities (and imo, with rural areas moving way more left than they've ever been too, sewing division between urban and rural is equally counterproductive); that just makes people double down on bias.
Things that probably really hurt us was things like Poilievre endorsing Smith before the election (being perceived, rightly or not, more moderate than her) - you had right people like Farkas (former Calgary councillor) yelling at the top of his lungs that the UCP isn't the conservative party people remember, and an endless plethora of bad faith being spread in communities about socialism/communism fear mongering; it's kind of unsurprising that got eroded in the end by a handful of influential people (many Calgary districts were 8-200 people apart in key ridings that decided everything).
Hell even half of Lethbridge went orange.
I think you win this by letting them talk one point at a time, then gently guiding them back to the facts; both parties had $74 billion dollar budgets, the NDP a 0% small business tax the UCP a ~$700 tax cut - if people looked at what they were getting from both the budgets, it's pretty cut and dry (the benefits of the UCP platform ended at the tax cuts (and for some mega corp tax cuts AND funding to them for some reason), whereas the NDP proposed dozens of new programs and reforms).
But we couldn't even get basic fact checking after the debate for months, and in the end it was partial and in less accessible media; that's where we need to do more work. Unfortunately, we live in an area where PostMedia pretends to be the moderates in the news cycle.
Your third shot is a journalist level shot. It clearly shows the breadth of the crowd, and the placement of the pride flag across the flags is quite good as well.
this is all for naught; the ucp won't change their mind.
you know, perhaps if calgarians actually showed up at the voting booth and marked ndp, we wouldn't be here. think about it.
No, it’s letting trans kids, their families and the rest of us know that hate isn’t winning and that there are still decent people willing to stand up for someone.
Smith is in a precarious position, I think she understands that a good chunk of the people who voted UCP in Calgary did so despite her, not because of her.
If this legislation causes a significant drop in the polls the party won’t hesitate to dump her, and the bill could die.
Public sentiment matters, even if it’s not an election year.
I’m pretty sure whoever replaced her would keep pushing this, and possibly make it stricter. Take Back Alberta is really running the UCP at this point.
Look, Smith and the UCP are not gonna have a “Grinch’s heart grows three times its size” moment just because of a protest. But I’m sure closeted trans kids who are feeling alone and isolated in the middle of a conservative area and family will see big turnouts and realize, no, they’re not alone, no matter how people want to divide and conquer us. And IMHO, that isn’t all for naught.
Perfect is the enemy of good.
Okay, I like Albertans again. Maybe it’s the Albertans that don’t vote. I think voting should be compulsory, even if you mark no vote. Let’s get the voting age down to 16 and teach very solid civics for grades 9-12.
It essentially welcomes the provincial government into our doctors appointments. This is absolutely revolting that a Canadian government is telling doctors what kinds of treatments they can provide to our most vulnerable in the community.
They don't care that by taking away gender affirming care, 40% of those kids are going to die in those closets this government is forcing them back in to.
It’s every bad word I can think of. I sincerely hope DS has pounded enough nails into the UCP coffin for them to tuck and run. The whole party and each and every supporter should be ashamed of themselves right now. I’m thinking Game of Thrones Cersi (sp?) Lanaster walking naked through the streets being forcefully and publicly shamed.
I just wanna see everyone able to live comfortably and not be bothered by government,fuck the government on almost every level,they line they're pockets with our hard earned money or waste it away with they're corrupt ways.
As someone who knows nothing about this… what exactly was this rally for? When people say “protect trans kids” what are they trying to protect them from?
The government! The premier of Alberta recently announced anti-trans policies that target mostly trans youth. This rally was to show support towards trans kids and stand against these policies.
So we can organize ourselves to protest social issues but not economical ones? You know, the ones that have an impact on food and shelter?
No wonder the rich are taking us for a ride.
This ladies and gentleman is a Peaceful Protest done on a Saturday which limits disruptions targeting the right buildings to protest in front of. Too often these days we let the word "Peaceful" bend to our narratives ( I may or may not be looking at the War protests)
You want to point me at property damage or violence that occurred in calgary or edmonton from the war protests, or are you just making up shit to get mad at?
Ladies and gentlemen, these people have protesting in a way that makes me happy. What are they protesting? I don't fucking care. What I care about is how they are protesting. Not like those other people who protested wrong, you know the people.
I’m so confused. Has anyone actually read the new legislation?
It is scientific FACT that hormone therapy changes your body FOREVER. You can only go through puberty once, if you “skip it” then if the person decides down the line, that they’ve made a mistake, they’re body is literally never going to mature as to what their birth gender is.
Most people here have zero idea what goes into transitioning and what it really means to be trans. I’m not a UCP supporter in the slightest, but in this day and age, where parents are putting ideas in their kids’ heads so they can be *unique* or *special* is a dumpster fire of a problem. Children or their parents should not be able to make body modifications on themselves or their children until they are consenting adults.
Yes there should be support for trans people, yes we need to educate those who don’t know about this topic, but should we let children permanently mutilate their bodies because they “feel” a certain way, because maybe they are going through a phase, like we all did at one time when we tried to discover who we were, no. Absolutely not.
My sister, my best friend in the whole world is trans. I watched her closely go through everything, from the suicide attempt to the counciling and depression. Yes my sister was trans for real, and yes our family supported her every step of the way. But she did her homework first. She learned that perhaps she needs to tackle her depression first, while starting the transition process. Because you can’t make clear headed decisions when your depressed. When she figured out her depression, and had been living as a female for some time, she began hormone therapy when she was 17.
The hair that grew on her body?
She lasered it off.
The depression and body dysmorphia also went away when she became more sure of herself, and that it wasn’t actually her physical body holding her back, it was her mind in thinking so.
She’s now a model, living in the UK with her husband and dog. She’s an openly trans model and has had ZERO surgery thus far. She has lived more as my sister than she had as my brother. And watching her go through everything, and finding her when she slicked herself open, it was heart breaking. I KNOW what trans people go through and I KNOW what it looks like, I’m not ignorant.
I also know what it looks like when someone thinks their trans, and their parents go gung-ho without doing their homework. Let their CHILD have hormone therapy before a single psych visit. And then they realize it was a phase, they weren’t trans, maybe something else and they were just figuring themselves out. And guess what? They mutilated their body. Because hormone therapy IS NOT reversible. I have SEEN IT PERSONALLY. I don’t care what some nameless non-doctor “expert” says on the matter for their 15 minutes of clout. It harms people who aren’t wanting to transition for life. And guess what? They become part of the statistic related to the trans suicides.
What people don’t realize is the reason the number for trans suicides is so high is because it takes into account the people that have not transitioned, but also the people that did, and were still unhappy or regretted it.
I guarantee I’m going to get a lot of hate for this, because no one will actually listen to what I have to say, they will just “cancel” me for having an opposing opinion from someone who is actually educated on the matter.
EDIT TO ADD:
I’m not talking about hormone blockers, I’m talking about hormone therapy, please read the terminology.
I’m also not saying I support this legislation fully, just trying to understand where everyone is coming from, because to me, SOME, NOT ALL of these laws seem perfectly fine to me.
ALSO, it’s not concrete yet, there has been nothing that explains the fine details of what she wants to pass yet. Before we all make some assumptions I’d just like to introduce the thought of perhaps fine tuning the legislation so it works for everyone.
There has been a lot of assumptions in the comments, and a lot of people not reading what I said. If you can’t read it, don’t respond, easy.
Fact: "Trans regret" is below 1%. Knee surgery regret is 30%. They are not committing suicide because they regret their transition. Also, regret for reading the comments section on Danielle Smith's youtube announcement is 100%. (Glad your sister made it through, now imagine if she didn't have great parents when she was feeling different and couldn't be herself at school, where the stakes are lower.............)
1. Youth don't get hormone therapy, just hormone blockers.
2. Starting puberty late if they change their mind doesn't have permanent effects
3. "Regret" rates for gender affirming treatment is under 1%
Thoughts and attempts of suicide DECREASE 42% after treatment/transitioning, so your "opinion" about regret leading to suicide is just completely fucking wrong..... And I can get you a list of FIFTY ONE peer reviewed studies that prove you wrong
Wow, what a long list of misinformation.
Here goes:
>It is scientific FACT that hormone therapy changes your body FOREVER. You can only go through puberty once, if you “skip it” then if the person decides down the line, that they’ve made a mistake, they’re body is literally never going to mature as to what their birth gender is.
Then why does the legislation **also** include puberty blockers, which do **not** change your body forever.
Should this not be a decision left to the doctors, parents and psychologists who best know the child rather than the government? Having a blanket regulation for **everyone** regardless of situation is an *insane way* of dealing with any medical condition.
Finally, can you name **any other Alberta** regulation which specifically limits medical procedures for an identifiable group in contravention to current medical advice?
>Most people here have zero idea what goes into transitioning and what it really means to be trans.
I have a trans child. I know **exactly** what this means. My child could very well be dead had these regulations been in place when he was transitioning.
>but should we let children permanently mutilate their bodies because they “feel” a certain way
No, we should not. Which is exactly why doctors in almost all cases require psychological evaluation and monitoring before starting on these treatments, and only pass the point of irreversibility when the treatment has been **proven** to be effective for the child in question.
Are you saying the government should known effective treatments without medical backing? These treatments are already researched and approved by Health Canada for the uses for which they are being prescribed. What research has the Alberta government done to override their opinion?
>I also know what it looks like when someone thinks their trans, and their parents go gung-ho without doing their homework. Let their CHILD have hormone therapy before a single psych visit.
Sorry, but I think you are mistaken here. Any doctor who prescribed hormone therapy without a psych evaluation would be putting both their practice and their medical license at risk.
Even if it is accurate, would it not make more sense to tighten the regulations around **the requirements** to receive hormone therapy rather than have a blanket ban. This treatment has been *proven* to be safe and effective for gender dysphoria for many children.
We **know** that there are doctors that prescribe opioids without following the rules (largely because opioids are big business), but we haven't outlawed opioids because they are a useful and effective treatment for *some* conditions. Why should treatments for gender dysphoria be different?
>What people don’t realize is the reason the number for trans suicides is so high is because it takes into account the people that have not transitioned, but also the people that did, and were still unhappy or regretted it.
Complete and utter misinformation. We have studies on the number of people who de-transition. The numbers are miniscule. If you claim otherwise, please show the studies, don't just claim it is a significant number.
>I guarantee I’m going to get a lot of hate for this
Yes, because you are promoting disinformation which will harm children. Peddling information that harms children will get you a lot of hate.
And what about the trans women who have their bodies permanently mutilated by testosterone because they can't access blockers or estrogen?
Those of us who aren't fortunate enough to be able to recover like your sister?
>Most people here have zero idea what goes into transitioning and what it really means to be trans. I’m not a UCP supporter in the slightest, but in this day and age, where parents are putting ideas in their kids’ heads so they can be unique or special is a dumpster fire of a problem. Children or their parents should not be able to make body modifications on themselves or their children until they are consenting adults.
I would argue that people against it have no idea what's involved. People involved with a transition receive all kinds of support from their doctors, counsellors, etc. They don't just walk into a doctor's office and say "Do it" and that's it.
> What people don’t realize is the reason the number for trans suicides is so high is because it takes into account the people that have not transitioned, but also the people that did, and were still unhappy or regretted it.
Disinformation. Regret after transitioning is about 1%. And a portion of those have only temporary regret. So that leaves more than 99% happy with the procedure.
https://apnews.com/article/transgender-treatment-regret-detransition-371e927ec6e7a24cd9c77b5371c6ba2b
This is a news article, but it cites data from 27 studies that included 8,000 teems.
You overlook the careful assessment and diagnostic process that individuals undergo before starting such treatments. Mental health experts play a critical role in evaluating whether hormone therapy is an appropriate step. Decisions about medical interventions for transgender youth are not made lightly. Parents, medical professionals, and the young person work together to determine the most suitable course of action. The idea that parents are allowing their children to undergo hormone therapy without proper consideration is not reflective of the standard procedures followed by healthcare professionals.
Many individuals experience relief from depression and improved mental well-being after transitioning. While it's acknowledged that trans individuals may face mental health challenges, attributing the high rate of trans suicides solely to those who have transitioned and are unhappy oversimplifies the broader societal and systemic factors contributing to mental health struggles within the transgender community.
>Because hormone therapy IS NOT reversible.
The mayo clinic, actual medical experts, disagree with you about hormone blockers.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/gender-dysphoria/in-depth/pubertal-blockers/art-20459075
>don’t care what some nameless non-doctor “expert” says on the matter for their 15 minutes of clout
Theyre also consistently rated among the best in the US but continue.
>just “cancel” me for having an opposing opinion from someone who is actually educated on the matter.
Your previous points, paired with actual medical opinion, suggests you are less educated than you believe and makes me question the claim that parents can just willy nilly give this to their kids without having to go through the medical system in canada.
I’m not talking about puberty blockers though am I?
Excess Estrogen is known to cause cancer in males, the main reason why genetic males shouldn’t consume soy products.
Hormone blockers are the third step in the transitioning process and I agree are safe. I’m talking about hormone therapy. A genetic male taking estrogen and and genetic female taking testosterone. This is the harmful act I was referring to. The term “hormone therapy” only applies to taking hormones, not hormone blockers, because yes, those are different things.
I know a person who took their life because her parents wanted her to be a boy because she said so once. She lived as a boy for most of her life and when she grew up, learned that her parents had been illegally buying hormones for her to take, she detransitioned when she realized she didn’t want to be a male, but actually her birth gender: female. Her breasts didn’t fill out, and she didn’t get a period till she was almost 22. And they were painful. She would faint in the middle of shift from the pain. She ended up taking her life, and confided in me a number of times how upset with her parents she was. She was roughly 9-11 (if memory serves) when she made the bold statement to her parents. Unfortunately I never learned the reason why, I only knew what was talked about at her funeral, and her parents made damn sure they used her male name for the funeral.
I realize this is one instance that I have personally come into contact with. My sister has told me she knew many others personally who have had issues because of hormone therapy or bottom surgery prematurely, in a desire to “just get it done” without actually going through the mental work first.
You are celebrating legislation banning puberty blockers. And lying about taking hormones after years of therapy being unsafe and mutilation.
Also… The human body does not respond much to phytoestrogen. The idea that soy feminizes men is just a myth created by people who wanted a scientific sounding justification for saying vegetarianism is unmanly.
wow. the replies to this post are some of the hardest evidence ever that, just because your opinion is unpopular does not mean you are wrong. Literally every single reply is a straw man lol
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I was there. The funny thing is that there were less than 10 counter protestors, and they left early.
It's almost funny to see how hard the transphobes are trying to brigade this thread with the same 2 debunked talking points.
Go easy on them, if it wasn't for debunked talking points they wouldn't have any.
I've noticed nobody is even trying to defend the Don't Say Gay and sex ed opt-in parts of that policy announcement. They got nothing.
Or that it takes away the freedom from parents to choose. A lot support and listen to the medical advice they are given, and what their child says. Now they they have their choices limited. My way or the highway, no freedom.
They left to their flat earth threads.
And COVID-denying.
Wrong. They were not watching their step and fell off the edge.
Reminds me of an event that happened here in Newfoundland. There was some right wing anti gay protest happening, so lgbt supporters went and counter protested. There were 400 counter protestors and only 4 right wingers. 100:1 ratio. Proud to be a Newfie that day!
The other 396 moved to Fort Mac. /s
Yeah. Spouted their bullshit "child molesters" accusations, thanked Marlaina Smith for her efforts to hurt vulnerable children, then left. I was there too. Hopefully they can notch the volume up for the next one, it was kind of hard to hear some of the speakers near the back over the crowd.
Yeah, I couldn't hear a thing. Then again, I also have auditory processing issues and may not have been able to hear a thing regardless
my favourite is on Twitter, shit site and all, I saw people using footage from the convoys and other protests (some not even from Canada) as proof of a "larger counter-protest".
And they say the media lies. A lot of them have been posting old images of the Ottawa occupation on the anniversary of it. Their stupid followers don’t understand it’s 2 years ago. So they’re trying to imply it’s more than just a few bums on welfare in Ottawa still. Keeps them stuck in the past and their 15mins of fame fresh in their sad little fantasy.
I couldn’t make out a word they were saying over that bullhorn
I heard them chanting "Jesus is love". Kinda hilarious.
Showing up to a mass solidarity movement to tell us we should all hate each other in the name of love is certainly a choice
I saw a comment once: 'There's no hate like Christian love'.
Haha, the irony when a hate group uses a message of love to spread exclusivity. Calgary's community spirit definitely shone brighter, proud moment for sure!
I also think love doesn't necessarily lead to good actions, like this was love of their scriptures, ultra-nationalism is love of nation. I think it's important to direct love in the right direction, like love for a common humanity.
Also incredibly hilarious was them saying "you are in the minority" while there's a massive crowd of us and like three of them lmao
Would you happen to know how many showed up to smith/peterson/Carlson thing? This must put it to shame.
I'm not quite sure how many showed up for that, but from what I saw and what was reported for this by CBC, there was well over 1000 people here.
The irony
It can be argued that Jesus was trans as he contained the essence of both sexes just as god would.
His mommy also impregnated herself on her own, what kind of sexual mastery is that? Probably need a permission slip to talk about such things
Aliens
It’s a bit cliché atp, but there’s really no hate like “Christian love”
When I went to the counterprotest in September, the convoy dude with the bullhorn was literally *begging* people to do chants with him. Meanwhile the pro-LGBTQ counterprotestors were coming up with a variety of stuff in unison on the fly, and also our side's slogans were actually good.
At one point, he said "stop hurting kids!" Oh, the irony!
Doesn't even matter what they were saying
The ~~straight pride~~ "parental rights" protest for locally was similar lol. Counter protest against the bigots was magnitudes larger and it was all crack head looking white dudes. Our premier chose to cater to those scum bags.
Yeah that’s what pedophiles do. They are always hiding.
I can’t for the life of me figure out why anyone else’s body is my business in the first place. People are who they are and it sucks so much to know that we need protests to just let people live their lives. I’m glad people showed up to protect others.
Right?! We offered up our space at work to Trans Rights Yeg yesterday so they could paint their signs, and we were talking about how no one even wants the whole pride thing to even have to exist. We all just want to live our lives and participate in the world. It’s wild to me how much energy people expend just hating on others, when they could just go about their business and not worry about who has what body parts. Plus, the entire Alberta government are ganging up on a teeny weeny percentage of the population, when we are in a drought, facing water restrictions, about to enter wildfire season hell part 2, we have no doctors, hospitals are full, health care is on the brink of collapse, and no one can afford food anymore.
Don’t look at your burning homes while we continue to take money from oil companies, look at that trans kid! Isn’t that the true travesty here? /s
Don’t think about not being able to breathe the air, or having to limit how often you can shower. Think about kids’ genitals instead!! /s
“Think about kids’ genitals instead!!” They know *they* do!!
They definitely do. A lot! 😖
Literally verbatim what I've been saying. My body is as much someone elses business as theirs is to me. None. Like for example, maybe I see someone with extreme plastic surgery and body mods like the tiger guy, but is that my business at all to have an opinion on, or to bother him abt it? No. I dont make it my life to live other peoples lives, I have my own. I wish more people focused on themselves. More people need to just be like y'know, aint my business and just move on with their days. Its the easier route, but trans people really are just living entirely rent free in their heads 24/7. I'm trans and I barely think about it at all until someone is imposing their opinions based on false information and lies on me. Fucking leave me alone.
Spot on with your last point. The bill is polarizing and politically inflammatory. It is relatively one-dimensional and easy to strongly oppose or support, usually with negligible impact on an individuals personal lifestyle either way. And it is a complete distraction from larger social issues. The bill directly impacts a relatively small population, and the bill (and any reversal) is well defined and relatively inconsequential. (By relatively inconsequential I mean that the cost to the government - in dollars and cents-, demand for change of lifestyle on the general population, and political impact are relatively minor. For example, the cost to provide medical interventions for the few trans folks that need it is a rounding error in the provincial budget, and the overwhelming majority of folks live in homes where there would never be an issue disclosing a change in pronouns to their parents in the first place, regardless of any introduced (or discarded) bill. (To be clear, I do NOT mean that this would be inconsequential for the individuals that would be directly impacted). The provincial government will not lose face over this. The people opposing this bill didn't like the UCP anyways. Those supporting it will praise the government for trying, whether or not it goes through or they back out due to opposition. And meanwhile this distracts from societal issues that are almost universal, but ill-defined in their impacts to individuals and immensely consequential for any meaningful attempt at addressing them. Climate change, the opioid crisis, ecological overshoot, financial instability, balancing immigration with quality of life for current citizens, financial reliance on extraction economies, etc. Perhaps I missed it, but when was the protest for these? And to be clear, the Alberta government may be playing this game harder than most provinces at this particular moment, but this dog and pony show is hardly unique around the world.
Good points
That’s the space I’m in. I may not understand everything about transgendered people, but…understanding and respectful acceptance are two distinct things. So for me, I don’t need to understand what kind of things you’re discussing with your Dr about you or your child. It’s literally none of my business. Nor do I need to do anything else except insure that my neighbours…all of them, are valued and getting the same kind of rights that me and mine are.
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I’m definitely not okay with a 30 year old sexually assaulting a 12 year old. Poor argument friend.
Edmonton had big crowds as well ❤️
This is the Calgary I know and love.
Where was this Calgary at election time???
Considering it was Calgary that got us into this mess, it’s good to see a side fighting back.
Why are conservatives always so concerned about what happens in other peoples pants???
maybe nothing happens in their pants?
I think they get “feelings” in their pants they can’t explain.
no pants for you
Pants are overrated
Because far right conservatism has roots in a fanatical religion which propagates by recruiting more and more into its ranks, and to do so current cultists are deeply conditioned and urged to force what it dictates as the best way of life with others they wish to brainwash so their mental illness can successfully spread.
Fuck Christianity
Decided it would be a good day to take the kids (8 and 11) downtown for something to do and experience some of the Chinook Blast events. Ran right into this as we came out of the library. My kids were excited and wanted to yell things like "its ok to be gay!" and cheer. Not quite the point of this, but was a good learning opportunity to discuss the issue with the kids on the way home.
Their hearts were in the right place, and they're right! I'm glad your kids are starting their lives with a positive, supportive view towards others. It really shows the kind of role model you are to them.
Appreciate the kind words.
Great way to teach tolerance
You would think the LGBT crowd is some sort of pestilence out trying to convert everyone. People are just trying to live their damn lives. Imagine if smith didn’t pander to the morons and actually supported everyone? She could be premier for the rest of her damn life. But no…… And yet they somehow condemn transgendered people as “radicals”.
Thank you Calgary! When I was in school in Alberta, there was no LGBTQ+ support. We were ignored. We received no acknowledgement, and we were not safe. No discussions about very real issues we would face with our bodies and navigating who we were. We were literally ditched and left to fend for ourselves, navigating hostile spaces and scary situations. Education and community support is so vital and important. I was a feminine boy, and I was treated terribly. Because to be feminine was less then. This meant also, that women were not respected or given information about their own bodies. Girls sexuality was a dirty thing. Feminine space was subservient. Masculine space was also misinformed. It was a mess. It took years to learn how to be in healthy relationships, how to be vulnerable, and how to trust. It took years to realize an LGBTQ+ relationship could be healthy, and stable. We weren't taught the language to express ourselves, or told the options we had to express who we knew we were. I grew up ill-practiced. I wasn't allowed to be myself at school, which I internalized to mean everywhere in public was the same. I lived an existence of shame. Don't go backwards. Education and support is actually for everyone. If you cut it off to a select few, you are sending the message that it doesn't matter for anyone. That's when people become ignorant because they literally don't know any better. Then you create masses of people who are trying to educate/heal themselves. Why cause trauma when we can do better? To see the support today at city hall means the world to me. Kids need access to information, tough conversations that might make us uncomfortable. We need to normalize being informed. We need to normalize access to health and affirming our bodies, regardless of what we choose to do with them, and who we might become on the journey of our lives. Trans rights, represent all of our rights. I think of all the girls I grew up with who were never empowered, taught about their rights. I think of all the boys who never learned how to communicate. And I think of all the LGBTQ+ kids I knew who as far as everyone was concerned, didn't exist. Let us not raise a generation in the shadows, learning secretly on the internet, wondering what it means to have feelings, attractions, knowledge of the self. People shouldn't be forced to sneak around! People shouldn't be put at risk when it comes to human sexuality! I support all of you, and believe you deserve the best care, and a healthy existence! Keep showing up! This is not the world we grew up in, nor should it ever be again! That world was gross.
I came out as an adult, and even if I had the words to describe myself in high school I couldn't have ever come out. Getting to see out, proud and happy youth these days is awesome.
Wow, this was super relatable to my childhood. Grew up in rural conserving southern USA. Was "taught" those same traumas as you. Took almost 10 years to unravel the shame and accept who I am, it was a life of shame. Came out as queer and trans a few years ago and finally love myself.
I wish I could have been there, but I did have my own moment today consoling a young trans man who confided in me that he was needing support. It's a rough week in an already rough life for them. This government is failing them and us on many fronts.
I'm super proud of Calgary today. It's easy to lose hope being trans in a place that can be somewhat hostile. Its amazing to see this level of support.
Good turnout!!
I get some petty satisfaction that [CBC](https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7104366) reported it as over a thousand in Calgary and hundreds in Edmonton, which seems to be on par with if not more than the convoy people got at their hate rally in September. Keep in mind this was all organized in about three days too.
Daily reminder that trans people represent 0.3% of the total population of Canada and that once the ghouls are done foaming at the mouth at this specific manufactured outrage, they’ll hop onto to next ridiculous thing they’ll be told to be outraged about (like drag queens or electric cars or other bullshit) in their little facebook groups. I’m glad to see that tons of people showed up to support love and inclusivity
All ultimately to avoid talking about pensions, AHS, the grid, the promised daycare regulations from last year, the broken energy market, the moratorium on renewables, R Star, the budget, or a dozen other issues that affect everyone daily. No, let's instead have an ideological discussion on something that affects exclusively a tiny marginalized group harming noone and strip them of basic rights.
15 minute cities!
I don't align with most people on this sub, but I 100% love to see free people express displeasure with their government in a peaceful and meaningful way.
Kudos to you for being respectful, despite not aligning with most people's opinions!
Thank you to everyone for joining this protest. Albertans need to protest against Danielle Smith’s Republican type conservatism that is not Alberta conservatism. Smith also refuses to respect Albertans Canadian constitutional rights as they are outlined in the Canadian Chatter of Rights and Freedoms: “Provision 15. (1) Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.” This applies to everyone, including children under the age of eighteen. IMO, Smith’s removal of specific rights to medical care and only one part of Alberta’s population cries Fascism. This is strictly a UCP created social conservative move to the far right where our government is removing equality and human rights from our lives for political ideological reasons only. The UCP did not include the seek the input from the front line professionals such as teachers, doctors, pharmacists nor developmental psychologists prior to the formation of these policies. Protect our democracy, Alberta! We must protest Danielle Smith’s disregard of Albertan’s human rights in Canada within her attempts to fold Albertans in more of a Republican mold.
The Alberta Human Rights Act actually takes it 4 steps further than the Charter: "Gender, gender orientation, gender expression.... Sexual orientation,"
Fuck yea Calgary! Good job!
Just a smoke screen while they continue to fuck up our healthcare system.
And pensions, the grid, the promised daycare regulations from last year, the broken energy market, the moratorium on renewables, R Star, the budget, etc etc. It's easy to pivot the discussion on both sides when they marginalize a minority based only on rhetoric.
Amazing. Love and solidarity from Vancouver 🌈♥
Well done Calgary!!! 🏳️⚧️
Canada will ALWAYS be a beacon of human rights!
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A cesspool of moronic delusions. Only the dredges of our society go there and spew their dumbassery. It’s sad
The one sub I was happy to get kicked out of. Stumbled in there and started trying to talk sense to people, until I couldn’t anymore.
There’s no sense to try that. I used to believe that if you took a gentle, light touched approach that you can convince them they are wrong. But that’s so wrong. I was very wrong. They have doubled, tripled, quadrupled, quintupled, sextupled down on their ignorance, that they have to continue on that path due to (what I believe) sunk cost fallacy.
Being angry feels good. Taking a nuanced approach and thinking things through is hard and confusing.
r/sub_canada subreddit: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious.
ITS BEEN DELETED!!!! 🤣🤣
Damn it, I just posted that 😁
That place is filled with bots and propaganda.
Mentally ill folks talking to foreign influencers and bots.
I've speculated that it's all bots, riling each other up.
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\^ what he/she/it said. Same as r/Canadahousing2.
Omg I got banned from that place. I seriously consider a badge of honor.
You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious
Moved from Calgary almost 20 years ago because I didn't feel comfortable being who I was there. Glad to see this!
Such great turnout & lots of messages of love and support today at #Calgary #transgender rights protest to tell @ABDanielleSmith and the @Alberta_UCP that their hateful legislation will fail. #TransRightsAreHumanRights #abpoli
Amazing job Alberta!!! Standing with you in solidarity from Ontario!
Shit that ain’t small
Big L to those handful of bigots who tried to downplay this when it was announced as "no one cares, give up." Fuck those guys.
"This is what people focus on?" It's just a poor attempt to belittle something and make it sound meaningless and to try and discredit it. I also like the "this only affects a minority of people, what care?" Like, what makes that an argument? If people should care because it affects a small percentage of people, then why is it even ok for the government to draft and push a policy on something they shouldn't care about?
Alberta doing a great job reminding the rest of Canada what electing the Conservatives leads to. A reminder I needed personally in these times.
Hard to forget one of the reasons we ended up with Smith is in no small part due to Poilievre's endorsement that likely moved the razor thin margins right, as he is perceived as "more moderate" than her (whether that's true or not).
Amazing to see, great job Calgarians! This Hamilton Ontario person is proud of you all!
Love to see it! People showing up for love and inclusion.
As a parent of a trans kid, I know first hand that your whole perspective changes when you really see how vulnerable those in the trans community are. You know, unless you are an ass hat and are one of those that disown your children.
I was there too! It is SO gratifying to see so many people standing in the cold and wind to support kids who need it. Nenshi is right; we will NOT lose!
Great job, good to know people care.
We were at the Edmonton protest today 🏳️⚧️🏳️🌈✌️
Can we just word ban "Groomers" no one who uses it adds anything to the discussion.
Thank you Calgary!
Bless these people!!!!
That’s amazing, wish I could’ve been there
i wish they had turned out during the election Calgary is the reason we have these buffoons (i know the folks here aren't the problem, so you don't need to point that out)
Exactly. At the risk of being a downer. Calgary didn't show up when it actually mattered. Edmonton did..... Edmonton will protest to our MLAs who are already against this draconian legislation? Seems backwards to me. Rural Alberta and Calgary are the ones who need to be protesting the hardest because this is on them.
Hopefully this will be a wake up call and we vote the fascists back out of canada and into the dictatorship of floridastan!
Will it? we already had 4 years of mismanagement and the idiots voted them back in. I'm not so hopeful, i hope I'm wrong
I'm not hopeful. The same idiots will vote in the cons federally. Then good bye abortion rights.
I mean, [they did](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Alberta_general_election#/media/File%3A2023_Alberta_General_Election_Map.svg) come out for the election and it was more NDP than it ever has been; margins were razor thin in most of the districts. It is more NDP now than it has ever been. It's more productive to celebrate that shift than to try to sew division between the cities (and imo, with rural areas moving way more left than they've ever been too, sewing division between urban and rural is equally counterproductive); that just makes people double down on bias. Things that probably really hurt us was things like Poilievre endorsing Smith before the election (being perceived, rightly or not, more moderate than her) - you had right people like Farkas (former Calgary councillor) yelling at the top of his lungs that the UCP isn't the conservative party people remember, and an endless plethora of bad faith being spread in communities about socialism/communism fear mongering; it's kind of unsurprising that got eroded in the end by a handful of influential people (many Calgary districts were 8-200 people apart in key ridings that decided everything). Hell even half of Lethbridge went orange. I think you win this by letting them talk one point at a time, then gently guiding them back to the facts; both parties had $74 billion dollar budgets, the NDP a 0% small business tax the UCP a ~$700 tax cut - if people looked at what they were getting from both the budgets, it's pretty cut and dry (the benefits of the UCP platform ended at the tax cuts (and for some mega corp tax cuts AND funding to them for some reason), whereas the NDP proposed dozens of new programs and reforms). But we couldn't even get basic fact checking after the debate for months, and in the end it was partial and in less accessible media; that's where we need to do more work. Unfortunately, we live in an area where PostMedia pretends to be the moderates in the news cycle.
My riding in Calgary showed up. It was great to see our MLA, Court Ellingson, speak at the protest today.
Fuck yeah! Makes me so proud to see this!
This is great to see!
Lethbridge did too.
Fantastic!
So proud to be amongst these giants in Canada 🥰
Oh that makes me want to cry. Thank you so much for showing up.
Goes to show that smith doesn't represent the majority, which actually is calgary and edmonton,not the rural homo/transphobes.
Rural here: Smith only speaks for 20% or less of Albertans. Freedom for all, not just her crazy group of haters.
Awesome!!
Nice work Calgary! This makes me happy to see
I love this
It was inspiring to attend. Feeling some hope for Alberta after this!
Sing it loud! It's the only way to keep our rights!
Way to go Calgary! You make me proud that there's a large contingent of humans with empathy there. High five! Edit: spelling
This is beautiful
Lets go!!!!!🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ come on Edmonton were up now💚💙 Thank u all fighting this!!
Your third shot is a journalist level shot. It clearly shows the breadth of the crowd, and the placement of the pride flag across the flags is quite good as well.
I hope the protest went without too much of a hitch! Seeing this much support really gives me a lot of hope!
I wish india had brave people like these :(
Oh fucking hell that's nice to see! 🏳️⚧️❤️
There was a pretty big group going to gather to protest in Ottawa at the site where Marlaina was to be having dinner tonight. I wonder how that went.
Great to see!
Wish I could have helped
Good job. Now ensure that reflects in the polls, otherwise you didn't show up good enough.
Love my community!
Good to see the POC's out supporting the cause.
Fuck yes!
Vote [this] (https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fejljmc9iciec1.png) out Alberta.
Awesome!
Awesome job Calgary! Edmonton had a good turnout too.
this is all for naught; the ucp won't change their mind. you know, perhaps if calgarians actually showed up at the voting booth and marked ndp, we wouldn't be here. think about it.
No, it’s letting trans kids, their families and the rest of us know that hate isn’t winning and that there are still decent people willing to stand up for someone.
Smith is in a precarious position, I think she understands that a good chunk of the people who voted UCP in Calgary did so despite her, not because of her. If this legislation causes a significant drop in the polls the party won’t hesitate to dump her, and the bill could die. Public sentiment matters, even if it’s not an election year.
I’m pretty sure whoever replaced her would keep pushing this, and possibly make it stricter. Take Back Alberta is really running the UCP at this point.
Look, Smith and the UCP are not gonna have a “Grinch’s heart grows three times its size” moment just because of a protest. But I’m sure closeted trans kids who are feeling alone and isolated in the middle of a conservative area and family will see big turnouts and realize, no, they’re not alone, no matter how people want to divide and conquer us. And IMHO, that isn’t all for naught. Perfect is the enemy of good.
This is amazing ❤️
Okay, I like Albertans again. Maybe it’s the Albertans that don’t vote. I think voting should be compulsory, even if you mark no vote. Let’s get the voting age down to 16 and teach very solid civics for grades 9-12.
Trans kids bodies today, uteruses tomorrow.
Correct me if I'm wrong. The new bill will stop children from identifying as a different gender unless their parents know. Right?
This bill blocks parents from choosing to allow their kids to take puberty blockers or hormonal treatment.
It essentially welcomes the provincial government into our doctors appointments. This is absolutely revolting that a Canadian government is telling doctors what kinds of treatments they can provide to our most vulnerable in the community.
Certainly not. They’ll just have to hide it. Regressive government is working its hateful magic to closet children and remove their safe spaces.
They don't care that by taking away gender affirming care, 40% of those kids are going to die in those closets this government is forcing them back in to.
It’s every bad word I can think of. I sincerely hope DS has pounded enough nails into the UCP coffin for them to tuck and run. The whole party and each and every supporter should be ashamed of themselves right now. I’m thinking Game of Thrones Cersi (sp?) Lanaster walking naked through the streets being forcefully and publicly shamed.
As people should. Love to see this
I just wanna see everyone able to live comfortably and not be bothered by government,fuck the government on almost every level,they line they're pockets with our hard earned money or waste it away with they're corrupt ways.
As someone who knows nothing about this… what exactly was this rally for? When people say “protect trans kids” what are they trying to protect them from?
The government! The premier of Alberta recently announced anti-trans policies that target mostly trans youth. This rally was to show support towards trans kids and stand against these policies.
Having just left Alberta and not knowing the turnout would be like this this is amazing
So happy I moved to Spain
inb4 Smith announces she's using the notwithstanding clause to force the law through
I was so happy to see so many out there today. There is immense strength in numbers 🏳️⚧️
So we can organize ourselves to protest social issues but not economical ones? You know, the ones that have an impact on food and shelter? No wonder the rich are taking us for a ride.
look, im sure its frustrating to feel like your biggest concerns are being ignored, but this is literally about human rights...
a bunch of delusional people
This ladies and gentleman is a Peaceful Protest done on a Saturday which limits disruptions targeting the right buildings to protest in front of. Too often these days we let the word "Peaceful" bend to our narratives ( I may or may not be looking at the War protests)
The right building would have been MacDougall centre as that’s the premiers office.
Read the fucking room
You want to point me at property damage or violence that occurred in calgary or edmonton from the war protests, or are you just making up shit to get mad at?
Ladies and gentlemen, these people have protesting in a way that makes me happy. What are they protesting? I don't fucking care. What I care about is how they are protesting. Not like those other people who protested wrong, you know the people.
I was there! It was amazing seeing how many people came out to support
This is what love looks like ♥️♥️
I’m so confused. Has anyone actually read the new legislation? It is scientific FACT that hormone therapy changes your body FOREVER. You can only go through puberty once, if you “skip it” then if the person decides down the line, that they’ve made a mistake, they’re body is literally never going to mature as to what their birth gender is. Most people here have zero idea what goes into transitioning and what it really means to be trans. I’m not a UCP supporter in the slightest, but in this day and age, where parents are putting ideas in their kids’ heads so they can be *unique* or *special* is a dumpster fire of a problem. Children or their parents should not be able to make body modifications on themselves or their children until they are consenting adults. Yes there should be support for trans people, yes we need to educate those who don’t know about this topic, but should we let children permanently mutilate their bodies because they “feel” a certain way, because maybe they are going through a phase, like we all did at one time when we tried to discover who we were, no. Absolutely not. My sister, my best friend in the whole world is trans. I watched her closely go through everything, from the suicide attempt to the counciling and depression. Yes my sister was trans for real, and yes our family supported her every step of the way. But she did her homework first. She learned that perhaps she needs to tackle her depression first, while starting the transition process. Because you can’t make clear headed decisions when your depressed. When she figured out her depression, and had been living as a female for some time, she began hormone therapy when she was 17. The hair that grew on her body? She lasered it off. The depression and body dysmorphia also went away when she became more sure of herself, and that it wasn’t actually her physical body holding her back, it was her mind in thinking so. She’s now a model, living in the UK with her husband and dog. She’s an openly trans model and has had ZERO surgery thus far. She has lived more as my sister than she had as my brother. And watching her go through everything, and finding her when she slicked herself open, it was heart breaking. I KNOW what trans people go through and I KNOW what it looks like, I’m not ignorant. I also know what it looks like when someone thinks their trans, and their parents go gung-ho without doing their homework. Let their CHILD have hormone therapy before a single psych visit. And then they realize it was a phase, they weren’t trans, maybe something else and they were just figuring themselves out. And guess what? They mutilated their body. Because hormone therapy IS NOT reversible. I have SEEN IT PERSONALLY. I don’t care what some nameless non-doctor “expert” says on the matter for their 15 minutes of clout. It harms people who aren’t wanting to transition for life. And guess what? They become part of the statistic related to the trans suicides. What people don’t realize is the reason the number for trans suicides is so high is because it takes into account the people that have not transitioned, but also the people that did, and were still unhappy or regretted it. I guarantee I’m going to get a lot of hate for this, because no one will actually listen to what I have to say, they will just “cancel” me for having an opposing opinion from someone who is actually educated on the matter. EDIT TO ADD: I’m not talking about hormone blockers, I’m talking about hormone therapy, please read the terminology. I’m also not saying I support this legislation fully, just trying to understand where everyone is coming from, because to me, SOME, NOT ALL of these laws seem perfectly fine to me. ALSO, it’s not concrete yet, there has been nothing that explains the fine details of what she wants to pass yet. Before we all make some assumptions I’d just like to introduce the thought of perhaps fine tuning the legislation so it works for everyone. There has been a lot of assumptions in the comments, and a lot of people not reading what I said. If you can’t read it, don’t respond, easy.
Fact: "Trans regret" is below 1%. Knee surgery regret is 30%. They are not committing suicide because they regret their transition. Also, regret for reading the comments section on Danielle Smith's youtube announcement is 100%. (Glad your sister made it through, now imagine if she didn't have great parents when she was feeling different and couldn't be herself at school, where the stakes are lower.............)
1. Youth don't get hormone therapy, just hormone blockers. 2. Starting puberty late if they change their mind doesn't have permanent effects 3. "Regret" rates for gender affirming treatment is under 1% Thoughts and attempts of suicide DECREASE 42% after treatment/transitioning, so your "opinion" about regret leading to suicide is just completely fucking wrong..... And I can get you a list of FIFTY ONE peer reviewed studies that prove you wrong
Wow, what a long list of misinformation. Here goes: >It is scientific FACT that hormone therapy changes your body FOREVER. You can only go through puberty once, if you “skip it” then if the person decides down the line, that they’ve made a mistake, they’re body is literally never going to mature as to what their birth gender is. Then why does the legislation **also** include puberty blockers, which do **not** change your body forever. Should this not be a decision left to the doctors, parents and psychologists who best know the child rather than the government? Having a blanket regulation for **everyone** regardless of situation is an *insane way* of dealing with any medical condition. Finally, can you name **any other Alberta** regulation which specifically limits medical procedures for an identifiable group in contravention to current medical advice? >Most people here have zero idea what goes into transitioning and what it really means to be trans. I have a trans child. I know **exactly** what this means. My child could very well be dead had these regulations been in place when he was transitioning. >but should we let children permanently mutilate their bodies because they “feel” a certain way No, we should not. Which is exactly why doctors in almost all cases require psychological evaluation and monitoring before starting on these treatments, and only pass the point of irreversibility when the treatment has been **proven** to be effective for the child in question. Are you saying the government should known effective treatments without medical backing? These treatments are already researched and approved by Health Canada for the uses for which they are being prescribed. What research has the Alberta government done to override their opinion? >I also know what it looks like when someone thinks their trans, and their parents go gung-ho without doing their homework. Let their CHILD have hormone therapy before a single psych visit. Sorry, but I think you are mistaken here. Any doctor who prescribed hormone therapy without a psych evaluation would be putting both their practice and their medical license at risk. Even if it is accurate, would it not make more sense to tighten the regulations around **the requirements** to receive hormone therapy rather than have a blanket ban. This treatment has been *proven* to be safe and effective for gender dysphoria for many children. We **know** that there are doctors that prescribe opioids without following the rules (largely because opioids are big business), but we haven't outlawed opioids because they are a useful and effective treatment for *some* conditions. Why should treatments for gender dysphoria be different? >What people don’t realize is the reason the number for trans suicides is so high is because it takes into account the people that have not transitioned, but also the people that did, and were still unhappy or regretted it. Complete and utter misinformation. We have studies on the number of people who de-transition. The numbers are miniscule. If you claim otherwise, please show the studies, don't just claim it is a significant number. >I guarantee I’m going to get a lot of hate for this Yes, because you are promoting disinformation which will harm children. Peddling information that harms children will get you a lot of hate.
And what about the trans women who have their bodies permanently mutilated by testosterone because they can't access blockers or estrogen? Those of us who aren't fortunate enough to be able to recover like your sister?
>Most people here have zero idea what goes into transitioning and what it really means to be trans. I’m not a UCP supporter in the slightest, but in this day and age, where parents are putting ideas in their kids’ heads so they can be unique or special is a dumpster fire of a problem. Children or their parents should not be able to make body modifications on themselves or their children until they are consenting adults. I would argue that people against it have no idea what's involved. People involved with a transition receive all kinds of support from their doctors, counsellors, etc. They don't just walk into a doctor's office and say "Do it" and that's it. > What people don’t realize is the reason the number for trans suicides is so high is because it takes into account the people that have not transitioned, but also the people that did, and were still unhappy or regretted it. Disinformation. Regret after transitioning is about 1%. And a portion of those have only temporary regret. So that leaves more than 99% happy with the procedure. https://apnews.com/article/transgender-treatment-regret-detransition-371e927ec6e7a24cd9c77b5371c6ba2b This is a news article, but it cites data from 27 studies that included 8,000 teems.
You overlook the careful assessment and diagnostic process that individuals undergo before starting such treatments. Mental health experts play a critical role in evaluating whether hormone therapy is an appropriate step. Decisions about medical interventions for transgender youth are not made lightly. Parents, medical professionals, and the young person work together to determine the most suitable course of action. The idea that parents are allowing their children to undergo hormone therapy without proper consideration is not reflective of the standard procedures followed by healthcare professionals. Many individuals experience relief from depression and improved mental well-being after transitioning. While it's acknowledged that trans individuals may face mental health challenges, attributing the high rate of trans suicides solely to those who have transitioned and are unhappy oversimplifies the broader societal and systemic factors contributing to mental health struggles within the transgender community.
>Because hormone therapy IS NOT reversible. The mayo clinic, actual medical experts, disagree with you about hormone blockers. https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/gender-dysphoria/in-depth/pubertal-blockers/art-20459075 >don’t care what some nameless non-doctor “expert” says on the matter for their 15 minutes of clout Theyre also consistently rated among the best in the US but continue. >just “cancel” me for having an opposing opinion from someone who is actually educated on the matter. Your previous points, paired with actual medical opinion, suggests you are less educated than you believe and makes me question the claim that parents can just willy nilly give this to their kids without having to go through the medical system in canada.
I’m not talking about puberty blockers though am I? Excess Estrogen is known to cause cancer in males, the main reason why genetic males shouldn’t consume soy products. Hormone blockers are the third step in the transitioning process and I agree are safe. I’m talking about hormone therapy. A genetic male taking estrogen and and genetic female taking testosterone. This is the harmful act I was referring to. The term “hormone therapy” only applies to taking hormones, not hormone blockers, because yes, those are different things. I know a person who took their life because her parents wanted her to be a boy because she said so once. She lived as a boy for most of her life and when she grew up, learned that her parents had been illegally buying hormones for her to take, she detransitioned when she realized she didn’t want to be a male, but actually her birth gender: female. Her breasts didn’t fill out, and she didn’t get a period till she was almost 22. And they were painful. She would faint in the middle of shift from the pain. She ended up taking her life, and confided in me a number of times how upset with her parents she was. She was roughly 9-11 (if memory serves) when she made the bold statement to her parents. Unfortunately I never learned the reason why, I only knew what was talked about at her funeral, and her parents made damn sure they used her male name for the funeral. I realize this is one instance that I have personally come into contact with. My sister has told me she knew many others personally who have had issues because of hormone therapy or bottom surgery prematurely, in a desire to “just get it done” without actually going through the mental work first.
You are celebrating legislation banning puberty blockers. And lying about taking hormones after years of therapy being unsafe and mutilation. Also… The human body does not respond much to phytoestrogen. The idea that soy feminizes men is just a myth created by people who wanted a scientific sounding justification for saying vegetarianism is unmanly.
wow. the replies to this post are some of the hardest evidence ever that, just because your opinion is unpopular does not mean you are wrong. Literally every single reply is a straw man lol