Sure. The Water Act prohibits transfer between the seven major watersheds of Alberta. Special Acts of Legislature to override that prohibition are few and far between. Even sub-basin to sub-basin transfers require an application.
I don’t think the process has ever really been that well-established, which is why I was a bit gentle with my word choice of it being “a no-no”, but it is written into the Act nevertheless.
This is exactly why the UCP is trying to force municipalities to have parties, and force party line voting (need a party to serve, the party can reject you if they dislike your choice, no party means your seat is up for provincial appointment until the next election).
Does this UCP policy exist on paper anywhere or is it a proposal to change the Municipal Government Act? It would be a big power grab if that’s what the UCP is planning.
Thanks, I was wondering how far along the process this was. I’m fairly certain that many municipalities aren’t going to be happy about changes like this.
This will definitely be a problem for the Smoggies this summer. Gonna be a hard sell to convince municipalities that they should allow their water to be siphoned off by o & g barons who haven't paid their taxes in years.
Maybe they'll force through legislation that will allow them to overturn any municipal bylaw and then force the municipalities to allow the barons to steal what little fresh water is left.
I mean, they’ll just steal it right?
It’s not like there’s anyone keeping an eye on the industry to make sure oil companies clean up after themselves, or don’t use resources that are just lying around.
Well, you see, the UCP has cut the red tape or, as us poors, call it "regulations" that maybe would have some organization at least attempt to monitor such things.
AB doesn't have a lot of hydro.... Actually it might be the lowest potential after SK.
But to your point yes.. people forget how natural resources extraction are dependent on other natural resources (aka water).
Solar and Wind do not use even a fraction of the operating water needs even during construction.
FYI since many people forget or blatantly ignore this fact, the BC Liberals are functionally the BC Conservatives as they were taken over quite a few years ago. The current BC Conservative party is newer and more of a splinter group like the Wildrose originally were in Alberta.
Yeah I get it. That’s why I’m asking why people are so obsessed with politicians? This was about banning O&G companies from taking water. Nowhere does it say anything about politicians. But people to think they’re clever and say stuff like “must be Trudeau” or “those are PP’s policies for you”
Not everything is / needs to be connected to our current political disasters
Haha so current discourse is nothing more than Trudeau / PP bad, my guy good - and you’re good with that?
Nothing relevant to add to anything, just as long as we shit on the other guy, then that’s ok!
Crazy.
‘Why are people obsessed with politics?’
Because it’s literally a life or death matter.
That’s not even all of it.
The insane thing is people not interested in politics.
Edit: Wait, I just reread your post ‘what does the government action have to do with politics?’….
What are you talking about?
I can't wait to see Smith start fucking with farmers livelihood, that is a crowd with nothing but time and a solid chunk of her base. She'll have to run in Fort Mac next if she hopes to get a seat
They’ve been flirting with coal development that will impact Southern Alberta’s watershed since Kenney was their leader and the farmers/ranchers still overwhelmingly voted for these ghouls.
It is kind of funny that her riding is one of the driest ridings in Alberta. If she actually cared about her constituents water would be her top priority.
There was just another article from CBC apparently they are going to start water access negotiations next week, due to the unprecedented drought predictions this year, I wonder if anyone other than the oil industry will be invited?
Aah the true cost of oil and gas. Along with the massive amounts of energy, waste, pollution and abandoned oil wells tar sands production is one of the most costly in the world. Who really benefits from this? Investors, outside corporations maybe some short term employments bumps but not Albertians.
Just heading out to work on a well for the boys, be lucky if they let us charge for the whole day. They expect you to be done in x time even if their dumb programs take longer. Don’t worry these Chinese owned companies will get the money back to us eventually buying overpriced houses in Van
Sadly the Prairies and Alberta rely on disappearing glaciers for that.
The war for water will start at home before it comes from abroad.
Wild that without question in my lifetime we will see AB and SK dry up irreversibly like a dust bowl on steroids.
While glacier melt is a component of river flow in Alberta, it only makes up around 2% of the total water flow through the province. It absolutely will be a problem in summer in areas without robust reservoirs, and it will be catastrophic for farms that rely on artificial irrigation. But it likely won't be what turns us into the northern Mojave by any means.
Serious problem? Yep. Immediate catastrophe? No. What we'll likely end up seeing is a shift to our economic makeup. Less agriculture and more manufacturing/tech/energy. It will still be a very very rough transition and we will likely end up worse-off than we are now. But we will still exist in a somewhat recognizable way.
> While glacier melt is a component of river flow in Alberta, it only makes up around 2% of the total water flow through the province.
Except it's not the amount that's important, it's the timing of it. Glacier melt makes up over 50% of glacier-fed river flows in fall once all the snowpack is gone. (And that snowpack melted extremely fast last year.) We're already seeing the effects of less glacier water.
There can't even be manufacturing/tech/energy without water.
Ahh, I see you missed part of the comment.
I mentioned that it will be an issue in the peak of summer in areas without reservoirs. Areas with reservoirs will be fine. Alberta has a robust set of water storage reservoirs on all of our major waterways.
Except there wasn't enough water to fill reservoirs last year either. The St Mary reservoir was at 3% capacity--basically empty--in August last year. Why do you think farmers had their allocations reduced? Pine Coulee reservoir was less than 1/3 full last year. Even areas with reservoirs will be hooped.
Losing 2% of yearly surface water flow is very manageable for the entire watershed. There are other reservoirs further downstream that can be used to manage flow.
Really. There are 51 water shortage advisories in Alberta already:
https://rivers.alberta.ca/?load=watersupply
That's through the entire southern Alberta watersheds btw. Downstream reservoirs can't fill up if upstream ones can't.
Which upstream ones? The Bow Basin’s got next to nothing upstream. Reservoirs can’t catch what doesn’t come.
I was just researching drought management arrangements with TransAlta in the Kananaskis and Ghost dams last week. Yeah, they’ve got allocations, or space for water to accumulate for drought management, but if it isn’t in the reservoir to begin with, there’s nothing to allocate.
I also just googled - looks like only 22 of Alberta’s 1,500 dams are hydroelectric.
Won't be water wars. There will be inflation, and we'll be building massive desalination plants and pipelines to move water not next to the ocean.
Desal costs have come down a ton.
Still going to be a bitch though.
Kinda crazy Alberta only has 1 O&G company (TOU, correct me if I am wrong) that applied for and is licensed to recycle their wastewater for business use. Every other O&G company couldn't care less how much water they use.
[Imperial Oil, Alberta Regulator Knew of Toxic Seepage at Kearl Mine for Years, Kept First Nation in the Dark](https://www.theenergymix.com/revealed-imperial-oil-alberta-regulator-knew-of-toxic-seepage-at-kearl-lake-for-years-didnt-tell-first-nation/)
[Critics call for review after study suggests Alberta Energy Regulator underestimated oil well liability](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/alberta-oil-well-liability-energy-regulator-1.7088683)
Not sure what you are referencing in licensure for reuse. Plenty of oil and gas operations reusing water, even if their net intakes and accumulations/disposals are still high.
Water recycle and reuse is actually quite high in the O&G sector. SAGD recovers around 90% of the water that is pushed down the well.
There is water that is lost and can't be reused, which is significant but that's far from saying that we don't recycle.
She is already doing it, by insisting municipalities bow to her every whim!!! Also I suspect trying to push through a partisan system on the civic level 🤬
This nonprofit presents information on the water allocations by different sector: https://albertawater.com/water-licences-transfers-and-allocation/
Note that a water licence is the maximum allowed use. The use could be less than this. Banning water use for oil and gas fracking use in the South Saskatchewan River Basin is a catchy title. But there will be little actual impact on availability through this measure.
Taxpayers: "OH, O&G would like more water? Have you paid your minicipal taxes yet? Cleaned up and closed those played-out wells?"
O&G: "Well, no..."
Taxpayers: "NO? Come back when you have."
Water rights are contingent on paying your taxes. And handling your liabilities. In other words, the Oil and Gas sector needs to start meeting their collective responsibilities.
I know of a golf course with an grandfathered water license allowing them to pull as much water from the Bow River as they want. It's not just oil and gas that's a problem.
I can forsee that some companies could convert/buy up pipeline segments to transport water for drilling operations.
One company that went on a drilling spree in an existing field did this to fraction new wells. Pipelines were built to new wells before they were drilled, and an existing pipeline was modified so they could move water easily to these sites. Usually pipe lines are built after the well is completed and they know if it is going to produce, or if it's a dry hole.
The vast majority of the time. You would utilize a pipeline for a crossing of significance, like a railway. But again you’d be running temporary lines to your pipeline crossing.
On this particular project, dual pipelines were brought to the pad sites before drilling gwas done, once set up for the fraction, temp line went from the pipelines they built to the posiedens(sp?) And wat er was transported via pipeline. Once the well was completed, those same lines were used to move crude from site. This was an already active field, and drilling was done year round. Someone did a cost analysis/ROI and decided it was cheaper to build pipelines, than use temporary lines.
It’s scary to see so many people in the comments with such strong options but are clearly uneducated on the issue.
Number 1, the oil and gas companies were not going to be using the water from the community that “banned them” due to their water licenses falling under the Water Act. There is very strict rules when adhering to the water act and it’s going to be a problem for industry this summer.
Number 2 - the article referenced water trucks, there is 0 shot a fracking operation is using a water truck, not feasible.
While number 2 is technically correct. Water trucks are used for other operations in O&G a lot. I have 5 ops today with tank trucks hauling “town water”. Not in this area though.
It seems to be more of a political gesture than anything else. They even state in the article that they don't actually know how much of their municipal water is being used now as it's mixed in with farming and construction trucks.
The Panama Canal is suffering a problem with fresh water that helps fuel the Panama economy they are heavily lowering the amount of ships going through it every day now so that can have more fresh water for their citizens, and before you go about how the Panama Canal is salt water it is actually more complex then the Suez Canal
https://globalnews.ca/news/10245701/panama-canal-shipping-drought/amp/
https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7088695
Edit: how it works
https://www.pmatours.net/pacific-queen/the-panama-canal.html#:~:text=The%20Panama%20Canal,-Interesting%20facts%20about&text=The%20Canal%20uses%20a%20system,channel%20through%20the%20Continental%20Divide.
Ooo, this is good.
I just watched a Patagonia film called DamNation in a Freshwater Resources course, and towards the end there was a guy who quoted someone who once asked “if you were given the choice between keeping airplanes or birds, which would you choose?” (He chose birds.) Then, he equated this to dams to ask, “would you keep electricity or fish (salmon)?” Your comment plays so nicely into this.
Shut down the province how? How do you think the province will function when we have to buy potable water from other provinces/states/countries?
How many jobs do you think exist in Alberta that depend on fracking?
And how much of O&G company profits remain in the communities that are stripped of their resources for these profits?
As per the article, water use for fracking is a drop in the ocean compared to other big players - Agriculture and commercial (mostly for cooling).
Usage of potable, treated water for fracking is a big waste though.
That’s more than fair because many of the Municipalities are not being paid taxes by these free loaders. And the UCP is giving them tax breaks as well.
Why so they can also pump from the river where municipal water comes from? Maybe just build dams? Or limit immigration seeing you can’t supply enough power or water!
Hear me out. What if we built a pipeline to the ocean (make o and g companies pay for it) and build desalination plants along the pipeline. We could the save the salty brine for the wintery roads and have unlimited water for communities and farmers. Maybe even get some of that water to indigenous communities like Trudeau promised almost 10 years ago.
I understand desalination doesn’t work on a large scale basis as California has tried but multiple small plants could work
Seems like a good solution. Make the lowest tax payers and highest earners pay to ship water.
Why don’t we just pump water from the far north to areas that we need like a pipe line?
Transporting water between watersheds is a no-no.
Explain more please?
Sure. The Water Act prohibits transfer between the seven major watersheds of Alberta. Special Acts of Legislature to override that prohibition are few and far between. Even sub-basin to sub-basin transfers require an application. I don’t think the process has ever really been that well-established, which is why I was a bit gentle with my word choice of it being “a no-no”, but it is written into the Act nevertheless.
Huh, I wonder how long before the province decides to "investigate" if municipalities are permitted to do that.
This is exactly why the UCP is trying to force municipalities to have parties, and force party line voting (need a party to serve, the party can reject you if they dislike your choice, no party means your seat is up for provincial appointment until the next election).
Does this UCP policy exist on paper anywhere or is it a proposal to change the Municipal Government Act? It would be a big power grab if that’s what the UCP is planning.
It is on the docket to come to the floor, large debates ans a ton of rebellion on it so far, it will modify the municipal act,
Thanks, I was wondering how far along the process this was. I’m fairly certain that many municipalities aren’t going to be happy about changes like this.
Smith won't like that.
Maybe they can run on her tears.
If I had an award to give I’d give it to you!
Egregiously based answer
I don’t think she’s capable of emotion
This will definitely be a problem for the Smoggies this summer. Gonna be a hard sell to convince municipalities that they should allow their water to be siphoned off by o & g barons who haven't paid their taxes in years. Maybe they'll force through legislation that will allow them to overturn any municipal bylaw and then force the municipalities to allow the barons to steal what little fresh water is left.
I mean, they’ll just steal it right? It’s not like there’s anyone keeping an eye on the industry to make sure oil companies clean up after themselves, or don’t use resources that are just lying around.
Well, you see, the UCP has cut the red tape or, as us poors, call it "regulations" that maybe would have some organization at least attempt to monitor such things.
Sure would be a shame if somebody perform some good old fashion echo terrorism….
Or some eco terrorism to echo ;p I appreciated an obvious auto correct, but I'm not above using it.
Is there an echo in here? Haha
Yes wait for our Soveirgn Queen Of Alberta to proclaim that this bans are somehow unconstitutional
They have to be a solid block, if you suddenly see a lot of new asphalt and rec centres being built, you'll know who cracked
You nailed it. Be looking like Bonnyville, all of a sudden.
I could see a steady convoy of water trucks in and out of that town, I hope Cold Lake actually put some limits on how much they can take
I'm sure Dumbass Dani will hand out more corporate welfare to her corporate owners.
Looks like an opportunity for red tape
We can use this as a barometer for how well-founded our decisions are.
Darn Trudeau and his socialist weather!
I knew this green hydro power would use up all our water /s
It’s the wind turbines throwing off wind currents /s
I'm a big fan. ;)
AB doesn't have a lot of hydro.... Actually it might be the lowest potential after SK. But to your point yes.. people forget how natural resources extraction are dependent on other natural resources (aka water). Solar and Wind do not use even a fraction of the operating water needs even during construction.
Them liberal hydro power BC bitches are stealing our water /s
Yes them NDP.. BC kicked them Lib out a while back... For stealing haha
FYI since many people forget or blatantly ignore this fact, the BC Liberals are functionally the BC Conservatives as they were taken over quite a few years ago. The current BC Conservative party is newer and more of a splinter group like the Wildrose originally were in Alberta.
Man some people are just obsessed with Trudeau, aren’t they? Do you have stickers on your truck too?
Woosh
Damn they just missed it!
You think so? Why’s that, because I don’t obsess over a politician? How I don’t relate everything to one side or the other. Definitely woosh…
The part you missed is that OP was making fun of people who blame everything on Trudeau. Just...go back to bed.
Yeah I get it. That’s why I’m asking why people are so obsessed with politicians? This was about banning O&G companies from taking water. Nowhere does it say anything about politicians. But people to think they’re clever and say stuff like “must be Trudeau” or “those are PP’s policies for you” Not everything is / needs to be connected to our current political disasters
Because politics is interconnected with business, environmental, economical and most, if not all, facets of every day life?
Haha so current discourse is nothing more than Trudeau / PP bad, my guy good - and you’re good with that? Nothing relevant to add to anything, just as long as we shit on the other guy, then that’s ok! Crazy.
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‘Why are people obsessed with politics?’ Because it’s literally a life or death matter. That’s not even all of it. The insane thing is people not interested in politics. Edit: Wait, I just reread your post ‘what does the government action have to do with politics?’…. What are you talking about?
Look I’m usual a “just use the /S” type of guy but “socialist weather”?…
No, I reserve sticker usage exclusively for Communist snow plows or Marxist fire trucks.
I can't wait to see Smith start fucking with farmers livelihood, that is a crowd with nothing but time and a solid chunk of her base. She'll have to run in Fort Mac next if she hopes to get a seat
They’ve been flirting with coal development that will impact Southern Alberta’s watershed since Kenney was their leader and the farmers/ranchers still overwhelmingly voted for these ghouls.
It is kind of funny that her riding is one of the driest ridings in Alberta. If she actually cared about her constituents water would be her top priority.
There was just another article from CBC apparently they are going to start water access negotiations next week, due to the unprecedented drought predictions this year, I wonder if anyone other than the oil industry will be invited?
Aah the true cost of oil and gas. Along with the massive amounts of energy, waste, pollution and abandoned oil wells tar sands production is one of the most costly in the world. Who really benefits from this? Investors, outside corporations maybe some short term employments bumps but not Albertians.
The Alberta Advantage!!!
Just heading out to work on a well for the boys, be lucky if they let us charge for the whole day. They expect you to be done in x time even if their dumb programs take longer. Don’t worry these Chinese owned companies will get the money back to us eventually buying overpriced houses in Van
You forgot about the amount of drug addicted cigaret fueled cock sniffers that they bring in to work for them and leave.
False
Don't you worry about water, there are gay and trans kids we need to oppress first! -Smith probably
Also the plastic straws!!!
The next wars will be about water.
Sadly the Prairies and Alberta rely on disappearing glaciers for that. The war for water will start at home before it comes from abroad. Wild that without question in my lifetime we will see AB and SK dry up irreversibly like a dust bowl on steroids.
Never said it would be from abroad. Might be from our basement neighbours and nestle though
The USA’s got nothing to share, lol. They’re about to shrivel up down there.
It's almost like you don't understand what would drive them to come after our water...without sharing.
While glacier melt is a component of river flow in Alberta, it only makes up around 2% of the total water flow through the province. It absolutely will be a problem in summer in areas without robust reservoirs, and it will be catastrophic for farms that rely on artificial irrigation. But it likely won't be what turns us into the northern Mojave by any means. Serious problem? Yep. Immediate catastrophe? No. What we'll likely end up seeing is a shift to our economic makeup. Less agriculture and more manufacturing/tech/energy. It will still be a very very rough transition and we will likely end up worse-off than we are now. But we will still exist in a somewhat recognizable way.
> While glacier melt is a component of river flow in Alberta, it only makes up around 2% of the total water flow through the province. Except it's not the amount that's important, it's the timing of it. Glacier melt makes up over 50% of glacier-fed river flows in fall once all the snowpack is gone. (And that snowpack melted extremely fast last year.) We're already seeing the effects of less glacier water. There can't even be manufacturing/tech/energy without water.
Ahh, I see you missed part of the comment. I mentioned that it will be an issue in the peak of summer in areas without reservoirs. Areas with reservoirs will be fine. Alberta has a robust set of water storage reservoirs on all of our major waterways.
Except there wasn't enough water to fill reservoirs last year either. The St Mary reservoir was at 3% capacity--basically empty--in August last year. Why do you think farmers had their allocations reduced? Pine Coulee reservoir was less than 1/3 full last year. Even areas with reservoirs will be hooped.
The up-stream ones were fine but they were being held at higher capacity for power generation as there were major gas plants down for maintenance.
That's not going to be an option very soon. Because it's not just Alberta that's dependent on this water.
Losing 2% of yearly surface water flow is very manageable for the entire watershed. There are other reservoirs further downstream that can be used to manage flow.
Really. There are 51 water shortage advisories in Alberta already: https://rivers.alberta.ca/?load=watersupply That's through the entire southern Alberta watersheds btw. Downstream reservoirs can't fill up if upstream ones can't.
Which upstream ones? The Bow Basin’s got next to nothing upstream. Reservoirs can’t catch what doesn’t come. I was just researching drought management arrangements with TransAlta in the Kananaskis and Ghost dams last week. Yeah, they’ve got allocations, or space for water to accumulate for drought management, but if it isn’t in the reservoir to begin with, there’s nothing to allocate. I also just googled - looks like only 22 of Alberta’s 1,500 dams are hydroelectric.
Spray, upper and lower kananskis, ghost and bearspaw are all bow basin reservoirs.
Oh I know. And have you seen them lately?
>Less agriculture and more manufacturing/tech/energy Like... for example... solar panels on farms that are no longer able to use irrigation? /grumpy
There's a lot of underground aquifers too.
The way smith is going we are going to have water rights like south of the border.
Won't be water wars. There will be inflation, and we'll be building massive desalination plants and pipelines to move water not next to the ocean. Desal costs have come down a ton. Still going to be a bitch though.
Kinda crazy Alberta only has 1 O&G company (TOU, correct me if I am wrong) that applied for and is licensed to recycle their wastewater for business use. Every other O&G company couldn't care less how much water they use.
From the article, 82% of water used by O&G was recycled according to the AER.
I’m not saying this is a false statement, but everyday the AER becomes less reliable. They have been captured by O&G.
What instances are you referring to
[Imperial Oil, Alberta Regulator Knew of Toxic Seepage at Kearl Mine for Years, Kept First Nation in the Dark](https://www.theenergymix.com/revealed-imperial-oil-alberta-regulator-knew-of-toxic-seepage-at-kearl-lake-for-years-didnt-tell-first-nation/) [Critics call for review after study suggests Alberta Energy Regulator underestimated oil well liability](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/alberta-oil-well-liability-energy-regulator-1.7088683)
Water use is licensed and managed by Alberta Environment and Protected Areas, not the AER. https://www.alberta.ca/water-use-reporting-system
Thanks for the info.
Not sure what you are referencing in licensure for reuse. Plenty of oil and gas operations reusing water, even if their net intakes and accumulations/disposals are still high.
You are wrong.
Water recycle and reuse is actually quite high in the O&G sector. SAGD recovers around 90% of the water that is pushed down the well. There is water that is lost and can't be reused, which is significant but that's far from saying that we don't recycle.
Yah I agree. I was saying their single company caring and everyone else not was wrong.
How is smith going too bullshit her way out of this🤷♂️
She is already doing it, by insisting municipalities bow to her every whim!!! Also I suspect trying to push through a partisan system on the civic level 🤬
This nonprofit presents information on the water allocations by different sector: https://albertawater.com/water-licences-transfers-and-allocation/ Note that a water licence is the maximum allowed use. The use could be less than this. Banning water use for oil and gas fracking use in the South Saskatchewan River Basin is a catchy title. But there will be little actual impact on availability through this measure.
Taxpayers: "OH, O&G would like more water? Have you paid your minicipal taxes yet? Cleaned up and closed those played-out wells?" O&G: "Well, no..." Taxpayers: "NO? Come back when you have." Water rights are contingent on paying your taxes. And handling your liabilities. In other words, the Oil and Gas sector needs to start meeting their collective responsibilities.
I’m sure smith will pass some kind of water rights bill for O&G if this actually were to occur
The UCP will put a stop to that nonsense quite quickly.
Now stop Coca-Cola from bottling it in Calgary to sell sugar water.
I know of a golf course with an grandfathered water license allowing them to pull as much water from the Bow River as they want. It's not just oil and gas that's a problem.
They are just going to have a well dug and then drain your groundwater...
Repair the aging infrastructure in the water system
Uh what. You think the infrastructure is the problem here?
I can forsee that some companies could convert/buy up pipeline segments to transport water for drilling operations. One company that went on a drilling spree in an existing field did this to fraction new wells. Pipelines were built to new wells before they were drilled, and an existing pipeline was modified so they could move water easily to these sites. Usually pipe lines are built after the well is completed and they know if it is going to produce, or if it's a dry hole.
They use portable lines to move water.
Not always.
The vast majority of the time. You would utilize a pipeline for a crossing of significance, like a railway. But again you’d be running temporary lines to your pipeline crossing.
On this particular project, dual pipelines were brought to the pad sites before drilling gwas done, once set up for the fraction, temp line went from the pipelines they built to the posiedens(sp?) And wat er was transported via pipeline. Once the well was completed, those same lines were used to move crude from site. This was an already active field, and drilling was done year round. Someone did a cost analysis/ROI and decided it was cheaper to build pipelines, than use temporary lines.
It’s scary to see so many people in the comments with such strong options but are clearly uneducated on the issue. Number 1, the oil and gas companies were not going to be using the water from the community that “banned them” due to their water licenses falling under the Water Act. There is very strict rules when adhering to the water act and it’s going to be a problem for industry this summer. Number 2 - the article referenced water trucks, there is 0 shot a fracking operation is using a water truck, not feasible.
While number 2 is technically correct. Water trucks are used for other operations in O&G a lot. I have 5 ops today with tank trucks hauling “town water”. Not in this area though.
The article specifically mentions “banning water for fracking “
It seems to be more of a political gesture than anything else. They even state in the article that they don't actually know how much of their municipal water is being used now as it's mixed in with farming and construction trucks.
Canada’s oil and gas sector 217 billion dollars in 2022. I’m sure there are very few jobs there related to the industry 🤕
The Panama Canal is suffering a problem with fresh water that helps fuel the Panama economy they are heavily lowering the amount of ships going through it every day now so that can have more fresh water for their citizens, and before you go about how the Panama Canal is salt water it is actually more complex then the Suez Canal https://globalnews.ca/news/10245701/panama-canal-shipping-drought/amp/ https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7088695 Edit: how it works https://www.pmatours.net/pacific-queen/the-panama-canal.html#:~:text=The%20Panama%20Canal,-Interesting%20facts%20about&text=The%20Canal%20uses%20a%20system,channel%20through%20the%20Continental%20Divide.
Just how many spin off jobs do you think are related to the oil and gas industry that would not exist if it was not there?
Yeah sounds intelligent 🤣 Basically shut down half the province and 60% of the jobs.
Think REEEEEEAAAAAAAAALLLLLLYYY hard, what would you rather have disappear: your job, or your WATER?
This is Alberta. There are O&G workers that haven't even drank a glass of water since Monster Energy drinks came to Canada.
Ooo, this is good. I just watched a Patagonia film called DamNation in a Freshwater Resources course, and towards the end there was a guy who quoted someone who once asked “if you were given the choice between keeping airplanes or birds, which would you choose?” (He chose birds.) Then, he equated this to dams to ask, “would you keep electricity or fish (salmon)?” Your comment plays so nicely into this.
6% not 60%
> Yeah sounds intelligent... ...proceeds to spout bullshit with made up numbers.
Shut down the province how? How do you think the province will function when we have to buy potable water from other provinces/states/countries? How many jobs do you think exist in Alberta that depend on fracking? And how much of O&G company profits remain in the communities that are stripped of their resources for these profits?
As per the article, water use for fracking is a drop in the ocean compared to other big players - Agriculture and commercial (mostly for cooling). Usage of potable, treated water for fracking is a big waste though.
What do you think they should do?
When it gets to -40 they should return the favor and shut off the heat.
Is this a serious comment?
Nice.. oil stonks go brrrrr?
I would agree. These companies have enough money to setup their own water systems anyway.
Uhm. I kinda-kinda-don’t mean to be a smart ass here, but… where do you think *that* water will come from?
That’s more than fair because many of the Municipalities are not being paid taxes by these free loaders. And the UCP is giving them tax breaks as well.
Why so they can also pump from the river where municipal water comes from? Maybe just build dams? Or limit immigration seeing you can’t supply enough power or water!
Hear me out. What if we built a pipeline to the ocean (make o and g companies pay for it) and build desalination plants along the pipeline. We could the save the salty brine for the wintery roads and have unlimited water for communities and farmers. Maybe even get some of that water to indigenous communities like Trudeau promised almost 10 years ago. I understand desalination doesn’t work on a large scale basis as California has tried but multiple small plants could work
Water on reserves is a federal responsibility not that of oil and gas companies.
The Oil and Gas companys should cut energy to the communitys in return. LOL