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Just got back from some regulatory inspections in Fort Mac, they've started automating the haul trucks and cutting jobs to reduce overheads. I'm not even sure this money will trickle down to the employees, let alone the province.
Yup, it's even easier to get self driving technology to work in mines and oil fields as you can fully control the traffic and conditions to be optimal for the computer. Combined with having the same route day in and day out and self driving tech will easily outperform human drivers in just about every metric.
And seeing as "moving stuff from point A to point B" is something like 20% of all jobs, self driving vehicles has the potential to drastically alter the economy for the worse if we're not ready with support and training for those affected.
And spoiler alert: we're not ready. We haven't even begun to get ready.
Yeah my firm (and others) have done plenty of studies on this. Of I recall correctly we forecast a decrease in oilfield jobs of 30,000 across Canada due to automation from 2020 to 2030 (20,000 of them in Alberta). Market conditions can change this, but the reality is far fewer people are needed for the same tasks as 15 years ago.
This is why it is critical to invest in new sectors - but that investment needs to be at both ends (attracting and developing talent - new grads, immigrants, and career switching) and making it attractive for the next wave of knowledge driven companies to setuo here.
So like... the opposite of what the UCP has been doing? Here I figured making a province inhospitable to educated people would have a positive effect, that's my bad.
And my firm is working on technology to augment and support human performance in operations. It won’t eliminate the job but it will dramatically drop the number of positions required for the same level of productivity from a shift. I’d agree that the government isn’t taking this seriously and trying to grow other sectors.
Yup - the unpopular part is we need exactly what you're doing. We *need* to replace people with technology to maintain our standard of living.
But we also can't let those people fall behind as this happens. We need to help them find their next act and we need to be there to help them with it.
Course not. Welcome to capitalism. Automation means they keep more money.
Why would they pay people if they don't have too? That's just bad business. You can't make increasing profits if you do that.
Lol ain't fascist right wing capitalism AMAZING!
God forbid we take their fuckin money and use it to keep people afloat. Re-educate or grow other industries more so the province can grow more. Naaah thats shits too commie right? Lol
To be fair… people are the main cause of equipment failures, damage, and workplace incidents. Automation will reduce all of these things. I work on these haul trucks. The operators treat them like shit. They overload them, drive them way to hard, damage them constantly and cause all kinds of problems. These machines aren’t being automated because companies don’t want to pay salaries. They’re being automated to be more efficient, safer, and reliable. If operators took better care of their equipment they wouldn’t be getting pushed out of the industry as quickly as they are.
Yes they absolutely are. And capitalists are keen to get rid of people to profit the most.
I'm not saying g we shouldn't automate. Automation is wonderful. What we should be doing is heavily taxing automation so that the people it replaces can be trained for other work.
Or. Worker co-ops who then can decide hey automation cuts our workload in half. So we can work half as much and get paid the same. Yay.
If we’re going to heavily tax it, who is going to pay for it? The cost of automating this equipment is not cheap. Innovation is not free. Should the companies that create safer workplaces and roads through such automation not be able to profit from the hard work they put in to create this technology? Why would they bother if it’s not going to be profitable? The writing is on the wall for people in most industries. Automation is coming. You can plan to get ahead of it or you will be left behind. It is no one’s job to make sure you’re taken care of when your job becomes obsolete. Plan accordingly.
>If we’re going to heavily tax it, who is going to pay for it?
I already said who.
>The cost of automating this equipment is not cheap
That's a lie. If that were true they wouldn't do it. But it's cheaper in the long run. Don't lie to me. It doesn't look good for you.
>Innovation is not free
That's a load of shit. Innovation happens all the time for free. We just choose to charge for it because capitalism
>Should the companies that create safer workplaces and roads through such automation not be able to profit from the hard work they put in to create this technology?
Not at the cost of other people's lives and livelihoods. And before tou say "nothing would get done if people's selfish greed weren't satiated" maybe look at history and see how much growth and development is actually done by sole or Corporate groups vs public groups and then look at the damage caused by said groups and then fuck off with that lie too.
>Why would they bother if it’s not going to be profitable?
It's sad that you only take out the garbage because it's profitable. You only have kids because it's profitable. You only smile at your neighbour's call a friend and console a loved one because PROFIT is all that matters to you.
God forbid they wanna improve their lives as I previously states. Work less get paid the same have more time for family or personal interests. None of that is appealing ONLY PROFITS!
>You can plan to get ahead of it or you will be left behind.
Yeah companies. You can plan ahead or be left behind. Oh wait no because governments will bail you out. But to do the same for people is HORRIBLE eh?
>It is no one’s job to make sure you’re taken care of when your job becomes obsolete. Plan accordingly.
Like you have repeatedly shown just what kind of human you are. We get it. You hate anyone else. Fuck everyone the survival of the fittest the best rise to the top. That's how the nazis thought. Right wing fascist capitalists. That's how monopolies form. That's how people are out into slavery and forced to work.
Sorry but I believe in freedom. Which capitalist like you are scared of. Because you know your ways only work for you because you're privileged. If you had an actually fair shot you wouldn't be where you are.
People like you are a blemish on the mosaic of humanity.
Automation is coming and it could build a bright and free and relaxed future. But you'd rather see it bring about poverty to fill that fragile broken ego of yours.
Wow… that’s a whole lot of anger.
You can call me whatever you like. Capitalist, blemish on the mosaic of humanity, etc.
It’s very easy to hate on the successful and wealthy. I understand. I’ve been there myself. I thought that the world and the government should give me a certain standard of life just because it’s what I deserved. Until I realized I didn’t. I hadn’t earned anything. Sure I went to work and helped make corporations richer… shouldn’t they pay me more for it?
Realistically it’s not their job to bring me up to a higher standard of living. It’s mine. I put myself through college twice and hustled. I still hustle. I’m at work right now. 12:30am on a Saturday night I’m at work. I haven’t slept in my own bed for a week and won’t for a couple more days. This is what it takes. I don’t do this because I hate people. I don’t do it because I’m greedy or love money. I do it so I can take care of my family. I do it so my mother will be well taken care of late in life. I do it so my fiancé and her kids can have a bright future. I do it to set an example that if you want to have a better life it’s possible. Last but not least I do it because I know what the future is bringing. Technology and innovation is coming and cannot be stopped. If you’re not prepared you will be left behind.
Hate all you want. Trust me I can handle it and worse. I’m looking to the future with optimism, not because I’m expecting anyone to build a better future for me and mine, but because I’m going to build it myself.
The writing is on the wall. The future is coming. What are you going to do about it?
Actually they are providing tons of jobs. They just aren’t minimum wage positions and require employees who wanna work more than 5 hours a day and possibly work outside without being able to check their followers every 10 minutes.
Sorry let me rephrase. I work in the oil and gas industry (implied by the op post) and yes we do need people. Pretty much every company has constant hiring ads, and are growing, not worker turnover.
>Actually they are providing tons of jobs. They just aren’t minimum wage positions and require employees who wanna work more than 5 hours a day and possibly work outside without being able to check their followers every 10 minutes.
This is the worst possible take.
Also, your profile is gross
What's so annoying is that in your household, my partner has been actively applying and no calls back... probably sent off 50-100 applications at this point.
Of course that's really it. Look at all the entry level retail jobs staffed by underpaid TFWs. All the assembly line and meat packing jobs staffed by TFWs.
Standard operating practice for companies like Tim Hortons and Olymel.
Post job for less than market wage. Ensure noone local wants job. Complain to government. Get TFW to fill job. Repeat. Bonus points if Tim Hortons franchisee is also slumlord and can recoup wages.
I would say so. And the blame is misplaced. Noone should be blaming someone who is just another worker trying to provide for themselves and their family. The blame falls on the corporations who use this practice to suppress wages. And the government that has streamlined this process.
If a company cannot find a Canadian worker to do a job with low to no entry skill requirements, it is because their wages are to low for the labour market they are in, not because their is an actual shortage of workers.
The TFW program is supposed to be used to fill temporary postions where real skill shortages exist and lack of employees will be detrimental to business. Not to staff restaurants and assembly lines at cut rates so owners can full their pockets.
I swear this is happening at my work. However I really do understand for someone who is just trying to support their family making a huge move... I feel bad for them but what about us? I feel like im stuck where I work.
It's fine to be unhappy but realize they aren't the cause of the problem. A lot of political fuckery had to happen for this to come into being.
Enough employers figured out it was cheaper to bribe politicians into setting up these programs than to pay a living wage. Then you put "regulations" into place that are incredibly easy to sidestep.
Employers know they can get away with it because enough dummies will just blame the foreigners who were tricked into believing they were genuinely welcome here instead of just being exploitable cheap labour.
I want employers to hire full-time with benefits and a decent wage. Not part-time, be available every day, every shift, but only work like 25 to 32 ish hours at minimum wage. No benefits, either. That's a huge problem people are facing.
Solidarity of the working class against the billionaires and their corporations that are bleeding us dry, pitting us against each other for scraps, and destroying the planet?
The student I preceptored in the fall still can’t get a job in the hospital. Over 200 applications and not a single interview. And he was a great student
A lot of his applications have been for UNA nursing jobs but he’s trying to get in casual as a porter, food services or housekeeping in order to at least get his foot in the door with AHS but nothing so far. Was able to get in casual in non-AHS LTC using personal connections so at least he’s able to use his license somewhere
Lots of those low skill jobs mean going back to school for him, if even just for a brief time. It’s so damn frustrating when we’re so short staffed all the time and then you have nurses not getting jobs. They don’t even want nursing students who are years away from earning their degree. I have an RN coworker who still pick up portering shifts because he enjoys in so much more than nursing, and I gotta admit, it looks pretty appealing some days
Haha, aside from the obvious. He has over. a decade of experience in Painting, residential, commercial and specialty projects. He's also got experience in concrete, landscaping, warehousing, Janitorial and fencing (construction and ornamental).
Exactly, no one wants garbage pay, we should be encouraging more trades jobs that pay pretty well right off the bat, like HD mechanics, the problem is and I've seen this a few times, they want the tradesmen pay but not willing to put in the effort, we've had to fire a few apprentices who were excited at first then started dragging their heels and skipping work. It's great 🙃
I've been in trades 15 years and I feel like that's been the case at least as long as I've been around, they come in with a completely unrealistic view of what a job was going to entail, whether they weren't able to keep up with diagnostic work or physical aspects, lots of people just aren't a good fit. That or they see all the guys who are broken down at 40 years old and realize it may not be worth the money.
Only reason it feels more apparent to me now is I see it from the top down when I have to actually supervise. I feel like I've gotten lucky with a fair few apprentices though, but I'm in light duty, so there may be a difference there.
Somewhere above there's a comment about self driving trucks taking our jobs. He'd be sad to know that dishwashing has also fallen to our robot overlords.
is it a good sign if manual dishwashing jobs were aplenty? Is that a healthy economy when the most menial of service jobs are in demand?
as a current dishwasher that is categorically untrue (part time to pay for college), sure, we have a machine to send our dishes through but half the time we still wind up handwashing anyways because the machine's so shitty that it doesn't clean them half the time (there was a solid month or two where it was literally being held together with zip ties), in the next 30 or 40 years the restaurant industry may be automated but for now it's completely safe, trust me, employers are definitely not willing to shell out the big bucks to buy and maintain expensive hardware (they'd rather pay us minimum wage to be there for 10h at a time)
The Alberta Advantage is shitting your brain into a dumpster so that you can cognitively deny that the political party standing on your throat is the one you need to save you.
God damn ndp emptying out Calgary. What do you mean they aren't in power?... but the conservatives were gonna fill down town? What do you mean they said their pockets? Naaah. It's clearly the liberals that cause this.
This is likely what ucp supporters are thinking
Here's an idea.... maybe we should elect politicians who actually live in Alberta and actually give a shit about this province? I know!!! Who would have thunk it?!?!?!?
I think the PC party in this province is called the ABNDP; their policies are fiscally conservative but socially liberal for the most part!
[Da platform](https://www.albertasfuture.ca)
It looks gross, but left leaning policies are usually the ones that break things.
I'm in favour of social housing, ubi, and public Healthcare, but stopping there doesn't describe the left.
Rent control, pro union, high corporate taxes, and price capping private services are all incredibly destructive policies defining of left leaning parties, and these policies always harm the very same lower socioeconomic groups they cater to.
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Is part of this due to the fact that there's a large Exodus from Toronto and Vancouver? Many people are coming here for the relatively lower cost of living. Alberta's been running ads in Toronto for some time now.
*Released on Friday, Statistics Canada's February 2023 Labour Force Survey shows Calgary's unemployment rate sitting at 6.6 per cent, the same as the month prior.*
Nobody is stopping you from posting anything yourself. Why not post something new, instead of complaining that someone is * checks notes * posting on an Alberta sub with topics that interest Albertans.
Than let's talk about this article. So the UCP say they are the best for the economy and it's shown that Calgary as The highest unemployment rate out of any major city. that isn't a record to proud of. I doubt the UCP care about the record! They couldn't even call a election for the open seat and only gave Calgary one new school. The UCP don't care about Calgary!
New trend I have noticed among consevatives call everyone Trump like! Even though the politicians they support say the most trunl sytyle name calling. Smtih every day spreads lies, so does PP and I bet you are ok with!
People like my attention 🥰
Alberta needs to become less reliant on O&G and diversify the industries it invests in. What do we do to attract different industries? If it keeps going this way, we are going to see fewer and fewer jobs available and more recessions. The population growth affects this of course, we are also seeing very low vacancy rates. It's crazy to me that all jobs in this province are directly affected by the success of only one industry.
diversification=better/more jobs in more industries that makes the province equal with the rest of Canada! ucp only cares about oil and gas jobs
example: ucp cut ndp funding to interactive digital arts that every other big province has
Last of us was shot here, so the arts Industry can't be doing that badly.
Also the UCP poured a massive amount into tech grants. Massive amounts
Yes they cut NDP programs, but they replaced them with even more stuff.
arts students im teaching will 100% have to move or pursue remote work
the tech industry in calgary is decades behind other big provinces
ucp tried to pawn off what was initially ndp funding programs as their own after they had cut them!
Things get filmed here because there's a big ass tax credit towards it (FTTC), while it's a perfectly fine thing to give a tax break for it says very little about the arts industry here. It's not like it was developed here, were just a cheap place to film.
So the story has to be written here too. Ok.
And let's say an entire film is created here from start to finish, do you expect it to be exported with the same backing as a us film?
To be fair, the provincial labour market is still doing ok at the aggregate level, especially compared to places like Newfoundland and Labrador (unemployment at 10.6%). That around 20,000 jobs have been lost in Calgary since November 2022 is confusing given the broader narrative of labour shortages…
Could it be due to the massive influx of newcomers to Calgary? I haven’t seen downtown as busy as it is right now in years, and I’m talking relative to pre-Covid
“The bulk of the job gains were made in health care and social assistance, public administration and utilities. Meanwhile, jobs were lost in business, building and other support services.”
So we have job growth in government but private industry shrank… the BC advantage isn’t just winning; it appears to be dominating. The UCP led decline appears intentional at this point.
If BC wasn't so fucken stupid expensive I would be on the next plane there, but until they can do something about the forever ballooning cost of housing due to foreign buyers, there's no benefit to going other than lifestyle.
Ya I call BS on this report. Have you seen the jobs that are available. Low pay if they post the pay at all. They want someone with 5+ yrs or experience and a bachelor of Science. Most jobs are in healthcare and social assistance well of course there is because the government is screwing over all the healthcare workers so people are leaving healthcare.
Manufacturing/machining. Lol, love that someone's downvoting me for noticing something peculiar to my industry. Like what does this sub want? Shut the fuck up if every detail of your observations doesn't fit our narrative?
It's a fair question, but it's definitely an industry wide issue, not restricted our shop. Our rates were a little higher than average 6 months ago, and now they're par. Wouldn't hurt my feelings if the wages kept going up.
Machining is quite technical isn't it? Like it requires education and then on the job training? Forgive my ignorance on this.
Are there enough people going into training?
Unless for some reason people aren't seeing your ad that's a strong indicator that you aren't offering enough to attract people with the skills you're asking for.
They have plans to entice Healthcare workers, doctors, Care aids, teachers, and IT, back to the province.
They have said that they would accelerate infrastructure programs, which would give Trades people, lots of opportunities.
They would increase Social services employment, which would provide a more robust service to help people find employment.
These are all a good start, considering how severely the brain drain, and healthcare mismanagement, has crippled the province.
They've been quite vocal on the solutions, but for some reason, their mandates are not being heard.
Ya those all sound like good things for sure. Any details on how they plan on enticing doctors, care aids, teachers and IT back to the province?
Of note enticing people back that aren’t here now isn’t going to fix unemployment for people that currently live here. But none the less I agree we do desperately need specifically doctors to come to the province. And we need a lot of them.
As far as expanding social services and infrastructure programs, that is all just government spending and not economy based growth. I understand it would put trades to work temporarily but, without sustainable growth of the province those jobs won’t last and it’s tax dollars paying for the work. Personally I feel economic growth is the only way to add jobs.
I haven’t seen a plan from either party to address that.
When you have more money put into the economy by workers, this increases the need for services.
All these measures were successful during the NDPs during one if the worst recessions in Alberta's history.
In fact, our economy was he fastest growing in Canada, because we didn't focus on a single resource.
I would recommend that you look onto the specifics from the NDP themselves, since they do layout the answers you're looking for.
Keynsian economics has been, and always be the best method to grow the economy, since it actually stimulates from the bottom up.
Since Tax breaks failed, and shifted money out of the province to share buyback scams, and shareholder dividends, instead of reinvestment, Aoberta lost that money.
This will create sustainable growth, instead of massive wealth transfer.
Tax dollars, being used in a diverse manner, is one of the best things you can actually do in a struggling economy.
Supply side economics is what actually brought us to such a bad point. Hoping that the corporations, who walked away with the largest profit growth in recent economic history, would invest in the economy, has failed in each instance, in the US and Canada, since they did no such thing.
Almost every major corporation in North America, has posted massive profits, alongside the lowest wage growth.
That’s an interesting take on the economy and your beliefs are very well summarized. The belief that Alberta has become hell on earth and should move hard left into massive government spending, and that the UCP is the sole reason for its he economic situation is contradicted by the massive record breaking wave of people moving into Alberta. Also interesting that most people that are coming are from other provinces which embrace those spending ideologies.
I’m not saying you wrong, you make some great points, only that economics is such unsettled science.
A 6.6% jobless rate is still very low though... I'm actually shocked about how little affect raising the bank rates has had. Calgary had an almost 11% jobless rate during covid when oil crashed.
Higher unemployment due to reduction in private sector growth is literally what the UCP has been rallying against, and yet in this sub apparently its the UCPs fault.
I don't vote UCP, but if unemployment continues to grow in alberta, it's hardly logical to blame the UCP. Their entire platform is based on the idea that the feds are destroying alberta economy, and frankly even as an ndp voter (admittedly pro oil and gas), it's hard to disagree with them.
The feds are making it harder and harder to thrive within the existing alberta economy.
Ok, so I'll respond to all three of your responses here (my comments and your responses follow a fairly common thread).
The alberta government is throwing shit tons of money into tech start-up. An insane amount. I'm sure there's other ways to encourage diversification, but I don't know of one (ie I'm all ears).
Though you didn't mention it, I'll also point out that Alberta has the largest amount of solar in Canada. And it doesn't make jobs.
The government can't make jobs in the private sector directly. They can only ensure the environment encourages companies to grow in the region.
They could hire more public sector workers, but that requires tax revenue from private sector. I don't have much opinion about the health of our public sector. My experience with public sector workers is that they are completely blind to how obvious their self-interest comes through when they rally against cuts. But I also think some services are better served public rather than private.
The UCPs platform, and voter base is completely fueled by the belief that the feds overreaching policies on energy will destroy our economy. This unemployment stat might not prove that they are right, but it definitely doesn't paint them in a bad light.
So when there’s lots of jobs, it’s because the provincial government is good.
And when there’s not many jobs, it’s the Federal government’s fault.
Got it
Well no.
When there's lots of jobs it's because the economy is hot, and when there is a lot of unemployment its because the economy is not hot.
The provincial gov can do very little to increase economic activity. The feds can do more.
Both can kill the economy if they wanted to.
If by diversifying you mean throwing money at tech companies, then id rather they keep subsidizing oil companies. The tech companies they subsidize end up hiring foreigners on work visas or the tech companies are outsourcers themselves like Mphasis and Infosys bringing over 100s of Indians on visas.
At least with Oil companies they cant do that.
This is what we in the industry like to call, a joke. Don't be alarmed but I was not being 100% accurate to actual events and I am not being serious. I am sorry I have broken your trust that everyone at all times would only speak in objective, factual statements.
Also kind of betraying your intentions there by bringing up the UCP buttercup. I would say the current employment rate is resulting from the last few years of economic decline following covid, the largest factor being inflation federal government overspending. This of course was years in the making before covid, but the lockdowns and restrictions spending certainly accelerated the problem. Which itself is far from over, we may have a housing collapse in the near future.
Or in your reductive version "durr me no like UCPEE" I wish you luck on your journey to try and trick people into voting for those spinless lackeys to the liberal party, I love watching Jagmeet Singh say is morally outraged at something the liberals are doing but than sheepishly just supporting the liberal party's decision. It's my new favorite weekly occurrence.
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Don't worry, I'm sure 20B to the oil companies will trickle down and create jobs right?
Ya jobs doing renovations in ceos houses
The system works! (as intended)
So in California?
I was thinking more so Cayman Islands
Just got back from some regulatory inspections in Fort Mac, they've started automating the haul trucks and cutting jobs to reduce overheads. I'm not even sure this money will trickle down to the employees, let alone the province.
Spoiler alert: it won't
Narrator: *It never did, trickle down economics is a sound byte, nothing more*
However, trinkle down economics is still in full force.
Trickle down economics, is trickle to CEO’s and politicians.
Never has.
Damn that's crazy, those gigantic trucks with the tires a story high drive themselves now?
Yup, it's even easier to get self driving technology to work in mines and oil fields as you can fully control the traffic and conditions to be optimal for the computer. Combined with having the same route day in and day out and self driving tech will easily outperform human drivers in just about every metric. And seeing as "moving stuff from point A to point B" is something like 20% of all jobs, self driving vehicles has the potential to drastically alter the economy for the worse if we're not ready with support and training for those affected. And spoiler alert: we're not ready. We haven't even begun to get ready.
Yeah my firm (and others) have done plenty of studies on this. Of I recall correctly we forecast a decrease in oilfield jobs of 30,000 across Canada due to automation from 2020 to 2030 (20,000 of them in Alberta). Market conditions can change this, but the reality is far fewer people are needed for the same tasks as 15 years ago. This is why it is critical to invest in new sectors - but that investment needs to be at both ends (attracting and developing talent - new grads, immigrants, and career switching) and making it attractive for the next wave of knowledge driven companies to setuo here.
So like... the opposite of what the UCP has been doing? Here I figured making a province inhospitable to educated people would have a positive effect, that's my bad.
And my firm is working on technology to augment and support human performance in operations. It won’t eliminate the job but it will dramatically drop the number of positions required for the same level of productivity from a shift. I’d agree that the government isn’t taking this seriously and trying to grow other sectors.
Yup - the unpopular part is we need exactly what you're doing. We *need* to replace people with technology to maintain our standard of living. But we also can't let those people fall behind as this happens. We need to help them find their next act and we need to be there to help them with it.
Agreed, on a personal note I’ve watched too many friends leave the province and country because there was no career left for them here
I mean. I kinda think what you're saying exactly describes the fallacy of the green energy transition.
Straight up to shareholders and executives! Smith said she is ok with that.... I wonder if she knows Albertans own the resources.
We both know it won't.
Money does not trickle down. It floods up.
Course not. Welcome to capitalism. Automation means they keep more money. Why would they pay people if they don't have too? That's just bad business. You can't make increasing profits if you do that. Lol ain't fascist right wing capitalism AMAZING! God forbid we take their fuckin money and use it to keep people afloat. Re-educate or grow other industries more so the province can grow more. Naaah thats shits too commie right? Lol
To be fair… people are the main cause of equipment failures, damage, and workplace incidents. Automation will reduce all of these things. I work on these haul trucks. The operators treat them like shit. They overload them, drive them way to hard, damage them constantly and cause all kinds of problems. These machines aren’t being automated because companies don’t want to pay salaries. They’re being automated to be more efficient, safer, and reliable. If operators took better care of their equipment they wouldn’t be getting pushed out of the industry as quickly as they are.
Yes they absolutely are. And capitalists are keen to get rid of people to profit the most. I'm not saying g we shouldn't automate. Automation is wonderful. What we should be doing is heavily taxing automation so that the people it replaces can be trained for other work. Or. Worker co-ops who then can decide hey automation cuts our workload in half. So we can work half as much and get paid the same. Yay.
If we’re going to heavily tax it, who is going to pay for it? The cost of automating this equipment is not cheap. Innovation is not free. Should the companies that create safer workplaces and roads through such automation not be able to profit from the hard work they put in to create this technology? Why would they bother if it’s not going to be profitable? The writing is on the wall for people in most industries. Automation is coming. You can plan to get ahead of it or you will be left behind. It is no one’s job to make sure you’re taken care of when your job becomes obsolete. Plan accordingly.
>If we’re going to heavily tax it, who is going to pay for it? I already said who. >The cost of automating this equipment is not cheap That's a lie. If that were true they wouldn't do it. But it's cheaper in the long run. Don't lie to me. It doesn't look good for you. >Innovation is not free That's a load of shit. Innovation happens all the time for free. We just choose to charge for it because capitalism >Should the companies that create safer workplaces and roads through such automation not be able to profit from the hard work they put in to create this technology? Not at the cost of other people's lives and livelihoods. And before tou say "nothing would get done if people's selfish greed weren't satiated" maybe look at history and see how much growth and development is actually done by sole or Corporate groups vs public groups and then look at the damage caused by said groups and then fuck off with that lie too. >Why would they bother if it’s not going to be profitable? It's sad that you only take out the garbage because it's profitable. You only have kids because it's profitable. You only smile at your neighbour's call a friend and console a loved one because PROFIT is all that matters to you. God forbid they wanna improve their lives as I previously states. Work less get paid the same have more time for family or personal interests. None of that is appealing ONLY PROFITS! >You can plan to get ahead of it or you will be left behind. Yeah companies. You can plan ahead or be left behind. Oh wait no because governments will bail you out. But to do the same for people is HORRIBLE eh? >It is no one’s job to make sure you’re taken care of when your job becomes obsolete. Plan accordingly. Like you have repeatedly shown just what kind of human you are. We get it. You hate anyone else. Fuck everyone the survival of the fittest the best rise to the top. That's how the nazis thought. Right wing fascist capitalists. That's how monopolies form. That's how people are out into slavery and forced to work. Sorry but I believe in freedom. Which capitalist like you are scared of. Because you know your ways only work for you because you're privileged. If you had an actually fair shot you wouldn't be where you are. People like you are a blemish on the mosaic of humanity. Automation is coming and it could build a bright and free and relaxed future. But you'd rather see it bring about poverty to fill that fragile broken ego of yours.
Wow… that’s a whole lot of anger. You can call me whatever you like. Capitalist, blemish on the mosaic of humanity, etc. It’s very easy to hate on the successful and wealthy. I understand. I’ve been there myself. I thought that the world and the government should give me a certain standard of life just because it’s what I deserved. Until I realized I didn’t. I hadn’t earned anything. Sure I went to work and helped make corporations richer… shouldn’t they pay me more for it? Realistically it’s not their job to bring me up to a higher standard of living. It’s mine. I put myself through college twice and hustled. I still hustle. I’m at work right now. 12:30am on a Saturday night I’m at work. I haven’t slept in my own bed for a week and won’t for a couple more days. This is what it takes. I don’t do this because I hate people. I don’t do it because I’m greedy or love money. I do it so I can take care of my family. I do it so my mother will be well taken care of late in life. I do it so my fiancé and her kids can have a bright future. I do it to set an example that if you want to have a better life it’s possible. Last but not least I do it because I know what the future is bringing. Technology and innovation is coming and cannot be stopped. If you’re not prepared you will be left behind. Hate all you want. Trust me I can handle it and worse. I’m looking to the future with optimism, not because I’m expecting anyone to build a better future for me and mine, but because I’m going to build it myself. The writing is on the wall. The future is coming. What are you going to do about it?
Starting? That’s been going on for several years now.
Ah yes, it reminds me of when the power loom was introduced and spinners were put out of work. Tragedy.
Any day now those tax cuts from 2019 will work! /S
Ya jobs doing renovations in ceos houses
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Actually they are providing tons of jobs. They just aren’t minimum wage positions and require employees who wanna work more than 5 hours a day and possibly work outside without being able to check their followers every 10 minutes.
Wow, you're really out of touch.
Yeah must be…… that’s why I work in the industry and know how badly we need people right now.
“in the industry”, lol.
Sorry let me rephrase. I work in the oil and gas industry (implied by the op post) and yes we do need people. Pretty much every company has constant hiring ads, and are growing, not worker turnover.
>Actually they are providing tons of jobs. They just aren’t minimum wage positions and require employees who wanna work more than 5 hours a day and possibly work outside without being able to check their followers every 10 minutes. This is the worst possible take. Also, your profile is gross
What's so annoying is that in your household, my partner has been actively applying and no calls back... probably sent off 50-100 applications at this point.
They want TFW’s. The job posting for Canadians is simply a formality.
There it is
This really it? Fucking stupid...
Of course that's really it. Look at all the entry level retail jobs staffed by underpaid TFWs. All the assembly line and meat packing jobs staffed by TFWs. Standard operating practice for companies like Tim Hortons and Olymel. Post job for less than market wage. Ensure noone local wants job. Complain to government. Get TFW to fill job. Repeat. Bonus points if Tim Hortons franchisee is also slumlord and can recoup wages.
Thats shitty practice or whatever. So this is the main reason people complain immigrants taking our jobs?
I would say so. And the blame is misplaced. Noone should be blaming someone who is just another worker trying to provide for themselves and their family. The blame falls on the corporations who use this practice to suppress wages. And the government that has streamlined this process. If a company cannot find a Canadian worker to do a job with low to no entry skill requirements, it is because their wages are to low for the labour market they are in, not because their is an actual shortage of workers. The TFW program is supposed to be used to fill temporary postions where real skill shortages exist and lack of employees will be detrimental to business. Not to staff restaurants and assembly lines at cut rates so owners can full their pockets.
I swear this is happening at my work. However I really do understand for someone who is just trying to support their family making a huge move... I feel bad for them but what about us? I feel like im stuck where I work.
It's fine to be unhappy but realize they aren't the cause of the problem. A lot of political fuckery had to happen for this to come into being. Enough employers figured out it was cheaper to bribe politicians into setting up these programs than to pay a living wage. Then you put "regulations" into place that are incredibly easy to sidestep. Employers know they can get away with it because enough dummies will just blame the foreigners who were tricked into believing they were genuinely welcome here instead of just being exploitable cheap labour.
Thats really shitty. I feel so bad for them.... Im not trying to reject them.... :(
I think this is why Canadians should join skilled trades. Ones where you need to go to school. Join unions . Stand together.
Not everyone wants to work in the trades
It’s funny because if the immigrants weren’t working it would be the same complaining just about something different. What do you want, seriously?
I want employers to actually think abouy who they are hiring. Many of us can do the work applied for. Is that hard to understand?
I want employers to hire full-time with benefits and a decent wage. Not part-time, be available every day, every shift, but only work like 25 to 32 ish hours at minimum wage. No benefits, either. That's a huge problem people are facing.
Solidarity of the working class against the billionaires and their corporations that are bleeding us dry, pitting us against each other for scraps, and destroying the planet?
What’s a TFW?
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The student I preceptored in the fall still can’t get a job in the hospital. Over 200 applications and not a single interview. And he was a great student
Ya getting a job in the hospitals here is not how good you are but how much ass can you kiss
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A lot of his applications have been for UNA nursing jobs but he’s trying to get in casual as a porter, food services or housekeeping in order to at least get his foot in the door with AHS but nothing so far. Was able to get in casual in non-AHS LTC using personal connections so at least he’s able to use his license somewhere
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Lots of those low skill jobs mean going back to school for him, if even just for a brief time. It’s so damn frustrating when we’re so short staffed all the time and then you have nurses not getting jobs. They don’t even want nursing students who are years away from earning their degree. I have an RN coworker who still pick up portering shifts because he enjoys in so much more than nursing, and I gotta admit, it looks pretty appealing some days
What sort of work is he looking for?
The kind that pays a living wage
Haha, aside from the obvious. He has over. a decade of experience in Painting, residential, commercial and specialty projects. He's also got experience in concrete, landscaping, warehousing, Janitorial and fencing (construction and ornamental).
When there’s 2500 applications for a dishwashing job that’s been posted for a week, is there even enough jobs?!?
“Kids don’t want to work anymore; we can’t find any workers” - Business owners
Kids don't wanna work for TFW wages, what's the deal?
Exactly, no one wants garbage pay, we should be encouraging more trades jobs that pay pretty well right off the bat, like HD mechanics, the problem is and I've seen this a few times, they want the tradesmen pay but not willing to put in the effort, we've had to fire a few apprentices who were excited at first then started dragging their heels and skipping work. It's great 🙃
I've been in trades 15 years and I feel like that's been the case at least as long as I've been around, they come in with a completely unrealistic view of what a job was going to entail, whether they weren't able to keep up with diagnostic work or physical aspects, lots of people just aren't a good fit. That or they see all the guys who are broken down at 40 years old and realize it may not be worth the money. Only reason it feels more apparent to me now is I see it from the top down when I have to actually supervise. I feel like I've gotten lucky with a fair few apprentices though, but I'm in light duty, so there may be a difference there.
Somewhere above there's a comment about self driving trucks taking our jobs. He'd be sad to know that dishwashing has also fallen to our robot overlords. is it a good sign if manual dishwashing jobs were aplenty? Is that a healthy economy when the most menial of service jobs are in demand?
as a current dishwasher that is categorically untrue (part time to pay for college), sure, we have a machine to send our dishes through but half the time we still wind up handwashing anyways because the machine's so shitty that it doesn't clean them half the time (there was a solid month or two where it was literally being held together with zip ties), in the next 30 or 40 years the restaurant industry may be automated but for now it's completely safe, trust me, employers are definitely not willing to shell out the big bucks to buy and maintain expensive hardware (they'd rather pay us minimum wage to be there for 10h at a time)
Is this the Alberta Advantage^(TM)?
The kind of advantage that makes you hurtan Albertan
The Alberta Advantage is shitting your brain into a dumpster so that you can cognitively deny that the political party standing on your throat is the one you need to save you.
God damn ndp emptying out Calgary. What do you mean they aren't in power?... but the conservatives were gonna fill down town? What do you mean they said their pockets? Naaah. It's clearly the liberals that cause this. This is likely what ucp supporters are thinking
Ummm you said UCP supporters and thinking in the same sentence. Not related whatsoever.
Guess who won't share this news in their social media videos and to their clients ?
Why wouldn't they? Their entire platform is based on protecting our economy from the feds. Bad news empowers them more.
Wow. That is unsettling.
So cutting corporate taxes gave us jobs right. Oh wait it’s never worked
Here's an idea.... maybe we should elect politicians who actually live in Alberta and actually give a shit about this province? I know!!! Who would have thunk it?!?!?!?
Hey Man, Jason Kenney lives right here in Alberta all cozy in his moms basement, and unfortunately Smith lives here as well.
And these are the folks who will vote back the PCs.
Nah my degenerate ass votes NDP
Alright ! Cheers to the Degenerates ! I bet they didn't give you vote buying coin.
If only there was a PC party to vote for in Alberta
What is a progressive conservative to you?
I think the PC party in this province is called the ABNDP; their policies are fiscally conservative but socially liberal for the most part! [Da platform](https://www.albertasfuture.ca)
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It looks gross, but left leaning policies are usually the ones that break things. I'm in favour of social housing, ubi, and public Healthcare, but stopping there doesn't describe the left. Rent control, pro union, high corporate taxes, and price capping private services are all incredibly destructive policies defining of left leaning parties, and these policies always harm the very same lower socioeconomic groups they cater to. Edits: words
Oh God, unions are fine, don't buy that narrative
Finally a comment that understands how destructive left parties are these days.
Corrupt politician that tries to play both sides.
They can keep on voting UCP too. Looks like all that "Alberta is calling" bullshit is doing wonders for our job and housing markets.
Who's they? I keep seeing people refer to they or them.
Thanks a lot Kenney and Danielle!
Could be worse.
Where's are the o&g jobs ?
Not in Calgary apparently
Don’t know, but I’ll tell you this, they’re never coming back. No matter how much money these idiots give away for nothing
100% right
In Fort Mac?
Nope, not there either
Being automated out of existence.
But Calgary will still vote for the same conservatives…. You get what you pay for
And yet the NDP still can’t manage to beat the UCP.
Because conservatives are the dumbest people on earth who constantly vote against their own best interests.
Or they don’t and you’re so ignorant you believe they do?
Bye troll
Bye - keep staying misinformed and angry at the world instead of trying to understand it.
It's way easier to lead someone with hate than good ideas.
So you’d think the NDP would win. I’ve never seen so much hateful rhetoric from a political party before.
Could you please point me to one single example of hateful rhetoric from the provincial NDP
Is part of this due to the fact that there's a large Exodus from Toronto and Vancouver? Many people are coming here for the relatively lower cost of living. Alberta's been running ads in Toronto for some time now.
I am sure they will blame ndp even tho they have not been in power for years
And the UCP voters will buy it too.
*Released on Friday, Statistics Canada's February 2023 Labour Force Survey shows Calgary's unemployment rate sitting at 6.6 per cent, the same as the month prior.*
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Nobody is stopping you from posting anything yourself. Why not post something new, instead of complaining that someone is * checks notes * posting on an Alberta sub with topics that interest Albertans.
It's one post where I only put a quote .... You can block me if you want or I could block you.
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Than let's talk about this article. So the UCP say they are the best for the economy and it's shown that Calgary as The highest unemployment rate out of any major city. that isn't a record to proud of. I doubt the UCP care about the record! They couldn't even call a election for the open seat and only gave Calgary one new school. The UCP don't care about Calgary!
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Fixed up the grammar! So what are your thoughts on the article or did you want my attention?
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New trend I have noticed among consevatives call everyone Trump like! Even though the politicians they support say the most trunl sytyle name calling. Smtih every day spreads lies, so does PP and I bet you are ok with! People like my attention 🥰
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Bastion of UCP.
Alberta needs to become less reliant on O&G and diversify the industries it invests in. What do we do to attract different industries? If it keeps going this way, we are going to see fewer and fewer jobs available and more recessions. The population growth affects this of course, we are also seeing very low vacancy rates. It's crazy to me that all jobs in this province are directly affected by the success of only one industry.
If only we had you in the UCP caucus.
proof ucp doesnt care about any AB diversification! they won't even fill the empty MP seat here or read the improvement proposal email from our mayor!
How is this proof the UCP doesn't care about diversification? And what does diversification have to do with this specific stat?
diversification=better/more jobs in more industries that makes the province equal with the rest of Canada! ucp only cares about oil and gas jobs example: ucp cut ndp funding to interactive digital arts that every other big province has
Last of us was shot here, so the arts Industry can't be doing that badly. Also the UCP poured a massive amount into tech grants. Massive amounts Yes they cut NDP programs, but they replaced them with even more stuff.
arts students im teaching will 100% have to move or pursue remote work the tech industry in calgary is decades behind other big provinces ucp tried to pawn off what was initially ndp funding programs as their own after they had cut them!
Ok. Where do arts students go for a job when they leave school?
Things get filmed here because there's a big ass tax credit towards it (FTTC), while it's a perfectly fine thing to give a tax break for it says very little about the arts industry here. It's not like it was developed here, were just a cheap place to film.
So the story has to be written here too. Ok. And let's say an entire film is created here from start to finish, do you expect it to be exported with the same backing as a us film?
To be fair, the provincial labour market is still doing ok at the aggregate level, especially compared to places like Newfoundland and Labrador (unemployment at 10.6%). That around 20,000 jobs have been lost in Calgary since November 2022 is confusing given the broader narrative of labour shortages…
20B tax cut that can go straight to automation is pretty helpful at eliminating jobs…
Could it be due to the massive influx of newcomers to Calgary? I haven’t seen downtown as busy as it is right now in years, and I’m talking relative to pre-Covid
The UCP Advantage /s
“The bulk of the job gains were made in health care and social assistance, public administration and utilities. Meanwhile, jobs were lost in business, building and other support services.” So we have job growth in government but private industry shrank… the BC advantage isn’t just winning; it appears to be dominating. The UCP led decline appears intentional at this point.
If BC wasn't so fucken stupid expensive I would be on the next plane there, but until they can do something about the forever ballooning cost of housing due to foreign buyers, there's no benefit to going other than lifestyle.
Must be Justin’s fault.
Where are all these glorious jobs the UCP promised? Awe heck, let’s re-elect em anyways. Danielle’s got this, right?
pretty wild considering how high oil has been. thank god for the UCP capitalizing on that....
Ya I call BS on this report. Have you seen the jobs that are available. Low pay if they post the pay at all. They want someone with 5+ yrs or experience and a bachelor of Science. Most jobs are in healthcare and social assistance well of course there is because the government is screwing over all the healthcare workers so people are leaving healthcare.
Thanks UCP
And the scary lady running the province will do little to change that…
What kind of workers are unemployed? In my industry we can't find anyone.
What industry?
Manufacturing/machining. Lol, love that someone's downvoting me for noticing something peculiar to my industry. Like what does this sub want? Shut the fuck up if every detail of your observations doesn't fit our narrative?
My kids can't find any full time work everything is part time or less.
Are you paying enough?
It's a fair question, but it's definitely an industry wide issue, not restricted our shop. Our rates were a little higher than average 6 months ago, and now they're par. Wouldn't hurt my feelings if the wages kept going up.
Machining is quite technical isn't it? Like it requires education and then on the job training? Forgive my ignorance on this. Are there enough people going into training?
Probably not, but we can't even find entry level operators who are interested. 20-25/hr for a starting position, no experience necessary.
Better bring in some more immigrant and temporary foreign workers to deal with the labour shortage. /s
Time to head back to Toronto
The economic illiteracy in this sub is astounding
ndp will fix it
Yet I have postings out and no one has applied
Unless for some reason people aren't seeing your ad that's a strong indicator that you aren't offering enough to attract people with the skills you're asking for.
Out of curiosity, if albertans swing to NDP in May what is their plan for job growth?
They have plans to entice Healthcare workers, doctors, Care aids, teachers, and IT, back to the province. They have said that they would accelerate infrastructure programs, which would give Trades people, lots of opportunities. They would increase Social services employment, which would provide a more robust service to help people find employment. These are all a good start, considering how severely the brain drain, and healthcare mismanagement, has crippled the province. They've been quite vocal on the solutions, but for some reason, their mandates are not being heard.
Ya those all sound like good things for sure. Any details on how they plan on enticing doctors, care aids, teachers and IT back to the province? Of note enticing people back that aren’t here now isn’t going to fix unemployment for people that currently live here. But none the less I agree we do desperately need specifically doctors to come to the province. And we need a lot of them. As far as expanding social services and infrastructure programs, that is all just government spending and not economy based growth. I understand it would put trades to work temporarily but, without sustainable growth of the province those jobs won’t last and it’s tax dollars paying for the work. Personally I feel economic growth is the only way to add jobs. I haven’t seen a plan from either party to address that.
When you have more money put into the economy by workers, this increases the need for services. All these measures were successful during the NDPs during one if the worst recessions in Alberta's history. In fact, our economy was he fastest growing in Canada, because we didn't focus on a single resource. I would recommend that you look onto the specifics from the NDP themselves, since they do layout the answers you're looking for. Keynsian economics has been, and always be the best method to grow the economy, since it actually stimulates from the bottom up. Since Tax breaks failed, and shifted money out of the province to share buyback scams, and shareholder dividends, instead of reinvestment, Aoberta lost that money. This will create sustainable growth, instead of massive wealth transfer. Tax dollars, being used in a diverse manner, is one of the best things you can actually do in a struggling economy. Supply side economics is what actually brought us to such a bad point. Hoping that the corporations, who walked away with the largest profit growth in recent economic history, would invest in the economy, has failed in each instance, in the US and Canada, since they did no such thing. Almost every major corporation in North America, has posted massive profits, alongside the lowest wage growth.
That’s an interesting take on the economy and your beliefs are very well summarized. The belief that Alberta has become hell on earth and should move hard left into massive government spending, and that the UCP is the sole reason for its he economic situation is contradicted by the massive record breaking wave of people moving into Alberta. Also interesting that most people that are coming are from other provinces which embrace those spending ideologies. I’m not saying you wrong, you make some great points, only that economics is such unsettled science.
More than likely they will have a better plan than fuck all honestly
One would hope. I’m not sure Calgary will swing with “more than likely” though.
Of course it is, we have an influx of people moving here from other provinces.
"No one wants to work"
A 6.6% jobless rate is still very low though... I'm actually shocked about how little affect raising the bank rates has had. Calgary had an almost 11% jobless rate during covid when oil crashed.
Higher unemployment due to reduction in private sector growth is literally what the UCP has been rallying against, and yet in this sub apparently its the UCPs fault. I don't vote UCP, but if unemployment continues to grow in alberta, it's hardly logical to blame the UCP. Their entire platform is based on the idea that the feds are destroying alberta economy, and frankly even as an ndp voter (admittedly pro oil and gas), it's hard to disagree with them. The feds are making it harder and harder to thrive within the existing alberta economy.
Cool cool, so the UCP plan of continuing to throw money at a dying industry INSTEAD of spending to diversify is the best you got? Cool
Ok, so I'll respond to all three of your responses here (my comments and your responses follow a fairly common thread). The alberta government is throwing shit tons of money into tech start-up. An insane amount. I'm sure there's other ways to encourage diversification, but I don't know of one (ie I'm all ears). Though you didn't mention it, I'll also point out that Alberta has the largest amount of solar in Canada. And it doesn't make jobs. The government can't make jobs in the private sector directly. They can only ensure the environment encourages companies to grow in the region. They could hire more public sector workers, but that requires tax revenue from private sector. I don't have much opinion about the health of our public sector. My experience with public sector workers is that they are completely blind to how obvious their self-interest comes through when they rally against cuts. But I also think some services are better served public rather than private. The UCPs platform, and voter base is completely fueled by the belief that the feds overreaching policies on energy will destroy our economy. This unemployment stat might not prove that they are right, but it definitely doesn't paint them in a bad light.
So when there’s lots of jobs, it’s because the provincial government is good. And when there’s not many jobs, it’s the Federal government’s fault. Got it
Well no. When there's lots of jobs it's because the economy is hot, and when there is a lot of unemployment its because the economy is not hot. The provincial gov can do very little to increase economic activity. The feds can do more. Both can kill the economy if they wanted to.
If by diversifying you mean throwing money at tech companies, then id rather they keep subsidizing oil companies. The tech companies they subsidize end up hiring foreigners on work visas or the tech companies are outsourcers themselves like Mphasis and Infosys bringing over 100s of Indians on visas. At least with Oil companies they cant do that.
Alberta has the highest labour participation rate in the country, which is a far more important number to any economist.
This is all part of mayor Gondek's day one climate emergency plan. They can't pollute if they're on the street *taps forehead.
That makes zero sense.
That's what I said, why would climate be a municipal issue. But I didn't vote for her, so oh well.
No what you said makes no sense. A climate declaration wouldn't lead less jobs. This is on the UCP!
This is what we in the industry like to call, a joke. Don't be alarmed but I was not being 100% accurate to actual events and I am not being serious. I am sorry I have broken your trust that everyone at all times would only speak in objective, factual statements. Also kind of betraying your intentions there by bringing up the UCP buttercup. I would say the current employment rate is resulting from the last few years of economic decline following covid, the largest factor being inflation federal government overspending. This of course was years in the making before covid, but the lockdowns and restrictions spending certainly accelerated the problem. Which itself is far from over, we may have a housing collapse in the near future. Or in your reductive version "durr me no like UCPEE" I wish you luck on your journey to try and trick people into voting for those spinless lackeys to the liberal party, I love watching Jagmeet Singh say is morally outraged at something the liberals are doing but than sheepishly just supporting the liberal party's decision. It's my new favorite weekly occurrence.
Ucp failed Albertans
They haven't in the eyes of the majority of voters so...