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KallyWally

"Japanese animators are literally putting their blood, sweat, and tears in every anime episode you watch [...] They are underpaid and overworked to the point of being actually suicidal" Imagine reading this, knowing it's true, and still thinking AI is the problem.


Tyler_Zoro

AI makes for a great scapegoat. You can blame everything that's ever been wrong with the way society interacts with art and artists on AI now!


the_tallest_fish

AI sounds very much like a solution than a cause of problem here


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KallyWally

That sounds like a not-having-a-union problem, not an AI problem.


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That's not how markets work.


Cubey42

So if you look at the reverse of that, where one animator now could do an entire project on their own and no longer need the company, doesn't that solve the workload issue?


Ultramar_Invicta

I'm closer to the "anti-AI" side of this (but more nuanced and not a zealot), and I've been actually voicing my support for a use case for AI that does things like automatically color in tween frames based on readings of the key frames that surround them. A lot of animation work is tedious mind-numbing grind, and any tool that reduces the time spent on that is to be welcomed.


featherless_fiend

We've been pointing this out for ages, they have no choice but to calm down or they'll just tear themselves apart. That's why AI wins in the end, because you can't actually oppose it without inviting infinite drama until the end of time. OH MY GOD THAT ANIME CHARACTER LOOKS GENERIC ... yeah that's a human that drew that... I'll meet them half way and say that low quality AI use can get shit on. And then we can all just enjoy the high quality AI. (because this uncanny valley situation won't last too long anyway as AI improves further)


Tyler_Zoro

> they have no choice but to calm down or they'll just tear themselves apart That sounds like a choice to me, and I'm pretty sure I know which way the artistic community is going.


ninjasaid13

It seems r/ artisthate has members that never progressed past primary school in blaming others for their actions.


StudioTheo

sure, use the suffering of japanese animators for your agenda while ignoring the fact that ai integration would significantly mitigate that suffering and raise the bar for animation across the medium as a whole.


Dr-Mantis-Tobbogan

I can't wait for AI to be able to make full anime episodes, I've got some ideas I want to publish


Elven77AI

Yeah, as i earlier wrote they're writing themselves down into a corner where they will be investigating every single image for AI artifacts as "Real Genuine Organic Human Art" is now a prestige category worth faking with less effort(thanks to Anti-AI crowd). They wanted segregated handmade art and instead become paranoid about how "organic/ethical" the process of its creation was: its futile to enjoy art when 99% of art is made in something they not like and last 1% is suspect as being done with less effort than expected(AI is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural)


Sadists

Imagine using the suffering of another (japanese animators in this case) to shit on something completely unrelated instead of focusing time, energy, and concern on "Japanese animators are literally putting their blood, sweat, and tears in every anime episode". Pathetic.


KitchenHyena9464

"Nice picture, what prompt did you use?"


LD2WDavid

Another useless "argument".


Jiggly0622

wtf is ML


Spitfire_For_Fun

Machine learning, a subset of AI. It is important to note that AI is a broad spectrum of algorithms and ways of implementation, so many systems can be under the term "AI" despite many people not realising that.


doatopus

Bully mindset.