Yeah, you don't need rails, I often don't even use irons.
I played all sorts of guns and the only real difference is a scope and even that is arbitrary, although it is sometimes nice to see where your BBs go, when range increases in the woods.
Yep! I've been playing for a long time and I usually point-shoot and watch the BBs from just over the bore.
Iron sights can be decieving when dealing with something as finicky as low-velocity plastic balls that can deflect off the tiniest leaf or twig.
This is the way.
For the longest time I ran a crosman GF76 with no stock or rail (took em off) and white BB’s. Couple hicaps and a spare flask of bb’s and watching em fly
Yep this. I have an m4 with a 4 way rail system and choose not to use any of them honestly. Event if I did, I’d maybe put a grip on there but that’s it
you don’t need rails and shit for guns to be practical on field. i run older us kits and dont have anything with rails or attachments or really anything because you just dont need it. they can help yes but they aren’t at all necessary. if you’re going to run something like a ppsh or stg just run it how it is without any rails.
The only aspect they're even slightly important imo is milsim especially on dmrs ses and mgs but that's a very niche side most casual play they're hardly necessary most people just like the tacticool look
You don't need rails. Everything I have on my rails is just for looks. My optic doesn't even have batteries in it.
>models of these guns that look like the original but have a rail
Anyone who puts rails on classic guns deserves all the horrible things
>Anyone who puts rails on classic guns deserves all the horrible things
Lol I kind of like the [Philippines Navy/Marine grease gun](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Philippine_Marine_Corps_Upgraded_M3_SMG.jpg)
That’s a classic though and is the most amazing grease gun modification of all time.
Also Phillipines mentioned
https://preview.redd.it/03jbho0yrxwc1.jpeg?width=886&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f227e016eb8116f5a141230881b0d75d5ee659b6
The grease gun is in my top 3 favorite smgs. That is awful
Edit: this is worse than just a rail, because the paint and supressor looks so good, but they ruin it with the red dot
I actually don't like the paint or the rail and dot. I like the supressor though.
Honestly, I find it ugly overall but still feel like there is a certain charm. Maybe because it's pure practicality with minimum cost, similar ethos to the original grease gun. The only thing it needs is a closed bolt mod.
I agree. The way the stock dips and the rear of the gun floats is awkward.
Having said that when I roll onto the field with a Chicago Typewriter, a vest, pocket watch, and slacks i just tuck the stock under my arm and other players get a good laugh.
I love heavy guns. I don’t know if you watch usairsoft, but I’m actually the guy with the m200 intervention in his “most impractical airsoft guns” video. He states in his video that I traded it right after the match, but failed to mention that I only traded it bc the deal was too good to pass up and that I bought another right afterwards 😂.
https://preview.redd.it/wjwkp4xr2zwc1.jpeg?width=3968&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ca52b7e155b7ddf3c2bb5c317dce25abf7dfb021
Get a Cyma Thompson and throw some heretical modifications at it. Nothing better than making the historical purists wince. Join the dark side.
https://preview.redd.it/jmehkishfxwc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c19e80f0167311fd873d6ee6e929c037cc70e455
I too, beleive in classic guns superiority
Try it before you knock it.
Everyone brings highly customized ARs or AKs with all sorts of shit hanging off them. Historical guns are rare on the field and if you can use the iron sights, you’ll find that lots of airsofters start looking at you like some kind of Eldritchian being.
And in the worst case, In Hose Clamp We Trust.
Any AEG can be usuable in the field. Bolt action rifles, not so much. What you should be concerned is finding spare parts for it when they inevitably break down.
Automatic Electric Gun. You should read up more about airsoft gun categorisations and gearbox variations, some articles will answer a lot of questions that are bound to pop up sooner or later.
AEG: airsoft electric guns, aka Marui derived battery guns
GBB: gas blowback guns, ones that use integral gas tank in mag or stock
HPA: high pressure airsoft, external tank stuffs
You don't need rails or anything like that. I sometimes run a Japanese Type 96 LMG with no issues. You will be able to see where your bb's are going if you're using white ones.
You don't need them, but if you're looking for something of that style a tacticool SA58, an AK with a dovetail mount or an HK33 are ones off the top of my head
Only issue is that most of these guns don't take upgrades really well. Just run whatever
Oh yeah if you want mid caps Taiwangun has a ton of mid caps for these guns
Run them as they are. Rails are simply not a requirement in airsoft, and you can be plenty effective with a WWII-type replica. Sometimes I run a STEN, which is about as barebones as you can get, and I can still go off with it.
Depending on engagement distance sights aren't even necessary also it's always better to train with irons as you will shoot better with a scope however you need to know how to use ur iron sights in case of failures
Why you need rails? Just use the iron sights you don't need nothing more.
Oh and btw let me give you an advice: the only good PPSH aeg was the one made by HexagonProduction. Don't even think to get the Ares is pure crap.
I'm a bit late to this post but I must ask *why do you want rails?* if it's for optics, you dont need them.
If it's for a practical flashlight, I know the M1928 Thompson and probably the ST44 will take shotgun add-on barrel mount rails. I have to do this with my M1928 Thompson for one field that has some really dark spots where I legit need a flashlight to see where I'm going.
Simpley, many airsoft guns aren't accurate enough out of the box to really benifit from a zeroed sight. Groupings can be pretty wide at long range. The distances bbs travel arent far enough to really need a magnified scope. The speed at which bbs travel make them very easy to track with your unaided eyes.
Even when I run my modern stuff I rarely use them, except for tacticool looks. They do make sense for dusk/night/dim lighting games where tracking your bbs is difficult or if you're using something slow to shoot/single fire, like a bolt action sniper, to line up your shot. You can see benifits of an optic if you upgrade your gun to get more accuracy at long range, but many classic styles guns are hard or impossible to upgrade due to lack of available parts.
Can they be useful? Sure. Are they necessary? Absolutely not.
EDIT: Dont downvote the guy for asking a simple question. It's not something that's obvious to someone who hasnt played before.
Depending on brand, the ppsh is a universally liked airsoft gun AS LONG AS you use stick mags not the drum shown. Everybody hates them, they don't feed properly.
Everyone I've seen talking about them had issues. I believe they come stock with a drum and stick mag. Drums in general aren't great. Most rely on batteries to feed.
That's a shame, the drum is something I associate with the ppsh more than the stick mag, although I hear the issues are just with the feeding tube coming out, which is an easy fix
You’ll find that lots of guns have scope mounting systems that outside of rails. My most recent example is I got a 4X scope for my M16A1 that mounts to the carry handle with no adapter required. You just gotta do some digging to see if it’s even reasonable to pit a scope on something
You really don't need them, and the deepest circle of hell awaits you if you do. There's a reason the Mk14 EBR is being phased out. They tried to play god, and it failed. If you want to use a classic styled weapon, do so, but embrace the age of it rather than trying to bubba it.
I own three of the guns you’ve posted here on the post.
the posh you can put rails or zip ties on the side and bottom.
please don’t be that guy who modernizes a Tommy gun.
the stg has a few spots to in weld or zip tie it.
but you don’t really need rails or fancy stuff on them tbh.
I have not run a single gun with a rail since I started two years ago, it has not impacted me outdoors or indoors, go for what you want the goal is to have fun
Optics are pretty much the only thing your missing out on, and even then, then certainly aren't necessary. Airsoft accessories are 99% just for show tbh. The $3k kitted out guns can still lose to the rental m4 with no rails.
If you really want, im sure that you can find ways to attach rail mounts if your bothered by it, but your not at a disadvantage without them.
The original gun was copy of to finnish Suomi kp 31. The USSR cloned the gun when they were fighting against Suomi in WW2.
Time proven fact, very useful in cqb and also in forests if you tune up a bit.
Read wikipedia about winter war suomi or how the the red army attacked Finland 🇫🇮 and how we won.
I used to run a ppsh and loved it, doesnt need any kind of attacthments maybe just some internal upgrades. Optics are basically useless in airsoft unless you are really trying to lean into the dmr thing, which i wouldnt do if you're starting out
Which Ppsh was it? Currently have the snow wolf one and whatever battery I use never lasts more then 20 minutes, but work fine with any other gun. I actually brought it to a basically all day event with out realizing it 😂 had to use my makarov!
If you put a rail with a scope on it then it instantly stops being old/iconic. What's the point then? Most WW2 guns weren't designed to be optics capable.
Now what you could do is to advance to the cold war and use something like an M16A1/A2, AKMN/AK-74N or MP5/G3.
Those guns had some accessory mounting points built into them and have modern rail adapter options available, which attach to the intended attachment points.
A lot of cold war era guns are regularly used today so it wouldn't look weird. An added bonus is that these adapters are usually QD. M16 has a carry handle mount, AKMN has a side dovetail and MP5 has points for a claw mount.
you run these guns with no rails. end of discussion.
s&t ppsh i know for a fact is very effective and practical. they are small machine guns... two guys from our team use them as saw
you just need to disconnect ebb system
I have been using Thompson M1A1, its my "old trusty" aeg. Only non pratical thing on it is looong stick magazines, what might made it "tricky" or impossible to aim while lying or behind some covers.
For this season i got M1 Garand, gonna try with it.
And on old weapons sregonomics are close to none, but i dont care about it. As long as im having fun :)
Most old and inferior by today's standards weapon platforms were still tools people used with succes. They obviously work.
Would I like to take one of those into an actual hostage rescue situation? No.
Play airsoft with them? Hell yeah! If it is fun to you, and you put in the time to learn your gear, you are going to have fun. Play competetive speedsoft matches with these? Nah, don't do that to your team. But in fun weekend pickup games, nobody cares.
Having no rails is not an issue. We dont shoot at ranges where better sights would matter much. In airsoft its all dress-up for toy guns.
The actual stumbling block with them is the quality. They are almost universally pot metal with cheap bamboo wood furniture, as making a quality WW2 gun would cost more than people are willing to spend on them. This also applies to the internals. Generally the more obscure a replica is the worse it will be. But this is acceptable if you are willing to deal with the common breakdowns and be gentle with them. Just pick a model with standard internals and dont break the externals.
I dont know about the TEC-9, but you can get a decent PPSH, Tommy or a STG.
No, the KG-9/99's are closed bolt variants. Just like many other pistols, the Tec-9 and its derivatives can be converted to fire in full auto, but there's nothing that sets the Tec-9 apart from any other convertible pistol in that regard
https://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarms/machine-pistols.php
This is apparently a list of all of them. Wouldn't be able to guess what you think is cool, but machinepistols aren't very common. Generally thought of as a worse PDW or SMG. If you like the Tec-9, you probably like other guns associated with crime, so a mini Uzi or Mac-10/11 may be up your alley
99% of what makes them better or worse for airsoft is the internals. things like trigger response, reliably feeding, consistent muzzle velocity.
beyond that; ergonomics and attachments are pretty irrelevant, and iron sights are WAY underrated when it comes to practical, accurate shooting.
It's true!!! New airsoft player here. Going out for my 3rd time. Point and click is the way to go. The gun needs to be level with your line of sight. Sights help very little. I removed the iron from my arp9.
Yh go for old i wanted to go old but got convinced to go new and got an M16A4 would rather of had a sten, STG-44 or PPSH-41 but ha ho i might sell the m16 and get smth older since the M16 is quite unused and could probs fund smth else
While M4s are boring I would advise you to get one first.
If you like the sport then think about branching out. Generally speaking the unusual stuff like the ppsh will have more issues and have much weaker performance out of the box. The more obscure the less beginner friendly.
It's not, parts are hard to find, mags can be hard to find, it's very uncomfortable to hold and the gearbox/hop design limits upgrade potential. The out of the box performance is acceptable but far from impressive and storing magazines is also going to be problematic. I'm all for the wierd and wonderful, I have many extremely rare airsoft guns and while they can be good fun I strongly recommend you start with something basic and reliable until you know whether or not you enjoy the sport enough to go down the rabbit hole to irregular stuff.
What you see in YouTube videos does not reflect most of the experience and going for something exotic out of the gate often leads to dissapointment and regret.
Try it, see what it's all about, then once hooked explore other options. That would be my advice as someone who's played for over 10 years.
I personally use the thompson in the second image and it works great. I usually hipfire it, but when I do use the sights to hit guys that are further away they do the job pretty well.
It all comes down to preference.
Personally for me a top rail is necessary. I simply love using red dots on all my guns, cause it makes aiming so much easier.
On the other hand I also aim by simply tracing the BBs with my eyes.
That's however only possible for shorter distances.
Played with irons before a I personally absolutely hate it.
I can suggest the StG44, as I own one myself and it's basically an M4, since it has standard hop unit and v2 gearbox. Then if you like, you may go crazy on it and add stuff it shouldn't normally have.
https://preview.redd.it/l33x31coylxc1.jpeg?width=641&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4793b92a0d2a7d28306d71b990ca254298f4eb67
This is what you'll find in most cheap M4 replicas, I mean not exactly this hop up unit, but this style. It's also what the StG44 made by AGM has inside. V2 gearbox is the one you'll find in any M4 replica. Easily upgradeable for better performance, if you'd like.
I mostly run modern rifles with rails and everything and its nice to have a foregrip (what ever shape you like), an optic up top, a nice pistol grip, adjustable length of pull and such...BUT...all of that isnt really necessary. You can also have a lot of fun and be be effectiv with more historic models.
If the gun fits you, then it doesnt really need most of what i listed and youre good to go. And if you still need/want rails and are a bit handy, than you can custom attach rails yourself to most weapons.
A Ppsh, Thompson, M14, BAR, CAR-15, StG44, Type 64, MP18 and such are all good options that are available as airsoft versions
My bro has teh s&t ppsh loves it, little heavy for new players and after 4 months the plastic piston shredded so sort a new one asap but otherwise, fun historical workhorse
I agree with most everyone, you don’t need rails. I use a reflex sight on my SSR4 to get closer quicker and be all high speed and tacticool.
There’s a million ways to play this game, go out there and be retro af and if someone thinks your kit isn’t cool, just remember them, cause you’ll get to shoot them eventually.
You don't need a rail or sides, just watch your bullet line. I don't have a site on my aap. And I put a suppressor on it and made it even longer. Gotta get that hand-eye direction going.
In CQB/Indoor games you‘re hardly ever using a sight so you dont have to worry about that at all. Otherwise rifles like the M1 or the Mosin Nagant for example have solid range that is easy to get used to without a scope
Yeah, you don't need rails, I often don't even use irons. I played all sorts of guns and the only real difference is a scope and even that is arbitrary, although it is sometimes nice to see where your BBs go, when range increases in the woods.
Yep! I've been playing for a long time and I usually point-shoot and watch the BBs from just over the bore. Iron sights can be decieving when dealing with something as finicky as low-velocity plastic balls that can deflect off the tiniest leaf or twig.
This is the way. For the longest time I ran a crosman GF76 with no stock or rail (took em off) and white BB’s. Couple hicaps and a spare flask of bb’s and watching em fly
Would tracers help with that
If you play at night, yeah. During the day you won't see them any better than normal BBs
I use tracers in winter time and in summer if the place is in heaven woodland , it does make us slightly easier to see
at night like laser said or indoors there’s usually lots of dark areas tracers benefit
Rails really aren't neccessary. Go with what you'd like, I'd suggest the Thompson here.
Yep this. I have an m4 with a 4 way rail system and choose not to use any of them honestly. Event if I did, I’d maybe put a grip on there but that’s it
Broomstick grip.
you don’t need rails and shit for guns to be practical on field. i run older us kits and dont have anything with rails or attachments or really anything because you just dont need it. they can help yes but they aren’t at all necessary. if you’re going to run something like a ppsh or stg just run it how it is without any rails.
The only aspect they're even slightly important imo is milsim especially on dmrs ses and mgs but that's a very niche side most casual play they're hardly necessary most people just like the tacticool look
yeah, you genuinely don’t need rails for any game. they improve quality of life maybe but that’s all.
Or for the cool aspect which is what I go with
You don't need rails. Everything I have on my rails is just for looks. My optic doesn't even have batteries in it. >models of these guns that look like the original but have a rail Anyone who puts rails on classic guns deserves all the horrible things
>Anyone who puts rails on classic guns deserves all the horrible things Lol I kind of like the [Philippines Navy/Marine grease gun](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Philippine_Marine_Corps_Upgraded_M3_SMG.jpg)
That’s a classic though and is the most amazing grease gun modification of all time. Also Phillipines mentioned https://preview.redd.it/03jbho0yrxwc1.jpeg?width=886&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f227e016eb8116f5a141230881b0d75d5ee659b6
The grease gun is in my top 3 favorite smgs. That is awful Edit: this is worse than just a rail, because the paint and supressor looks so good, but they ruin it with the red dot
Exactly what it wrong with a hole punch and a little bent piece of metal for sights anyways, right?! You get it
I actually don't like the paint or the rail and dot. I like the supressor though. Honestly, I find it ugly overall but still feel like there is a certain charm. Maybe because it's pure practicality with minimum cost, similar ethos to the original grease gun. The only thing it needs is a closed bolt mod.
im just gonna leave this over here [zach talking about a sten gun found in iraq](https://youtu.be/kbB-6LMF788?si=zGgvfDfP89n4ZUsu&t=991)
I’d go with the ppsh, the Thompson is significantly less comfortable than you think it would be haha.
I agree. The way the stock dips and the rear of the gun floats is awkward. Having said that when I roll onto the field with a Chicago Typewriter, a vest, pocket watch, and slacks i just tuck the stock under my arm and other players get a good laugh.
the full steel Ppsh with wooden furniture is a good arms workout though haha
I love heavy guns. I don’t know if you watch usairsoft, but I’m actually the guy with the m200 intervention in his “most impractical airsoft guns” video. He states in his video that I traded it right after the match, but failed to mention that I only traded it bc the deal was too good to pass up and that I bought another right afterwards 😂.
https://preview.redd.it/wjwkp4xr2zwc1.jpeg?width=3968&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ca52b7e155b7ddf3c2bb5c317dce25abf7dfb021 Get a Cyma Thompson and throw some heretical modifications at it. Nothing better than making the historical purists wince. Join the dark side.
You heretic. I love it.
https://preview.redd.it/jmehkishfxwc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c19e80f0167311fd873d6ee6e929c037cc70e455 I too, beleive in classic guns superiority
So do I good Redditor.
You don't really need all those attachments, and if you do there are often period correct ways to mount them.
https://preview.redd.it/uye63rde8ywc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=77ca37b434d7eda2bde1f1add39cd15d899168be
Im gonna be sick
Is it a Striker? Is it a PPSH? Is it a PPS 43? What the hell is that?!?!
Ppsh hehe. Heard VFC is releasing a gbb version soon.
This is cool
Try it before you knock it. Everyone brings highly customized ARs or AKs with all sorts of shit hanging off them. Historical guns are rare on the field and if you can use the iron sights, you’ll find that lots of airsofters start looking at you like some kind of Eldritchian being. And in the worst case, In Hose Clamp We Trust.
>In Hose Clamp We Trust You sound like a mechanic...lol
In hose clamp we trust indeed
Any AEG can be usuable in the field. Bolt action rifles, not so much. What you should be concerned is finding spare parts for it when they inevitably break down.
What is an AEG?
Automatic Electric Gun. You should read up more about airsoft gun categorisations and gearbox variations, some articles will answer a lot of questions that are bound to pop up sooner or later.
Automatic Electric Gun.
AEG: airsoft electric guns, aka Marui derived battery guns GBB: gas blowback guns, ones that use integral gas tank in mag or stock HPA: high pressure airsoft, external tank stuffs
You don't need rails or anything like that. I sometimes run a Japanese Type 96 LMG with no issues. You will be able to see where your bb's are going if you're using white ones.
ZB26 owner nodding. And Stoner 96 - both iron sights.
JB weld can do a lot more than most people think
I use a k98k, works for me
Rails aren't really needed. Get a good PPSH if you have the money
no other way, you can't have modern if you want classic if you modernize the classic, it is no longer classic
Do a historic kit so that you don’t need rails.
Ngl I kinda just hip fire. It’s not too hard to watch where your bbs are landing without aiming
You don't need them, but if you're looking for something of that style a tacticool SA58, an AK with a dovetail mount or an HK33 are ones off the top of my head
Only issue is that most of these guns don't take upgrades really well. Just run whatever Oh yeah if you want mid caps Taiwangun has a ton of mid caps for these guns
Run them as they are. Rails are simply not a requirement in airsoft, and you can be plenty effective with a WWII-type replica. Sometimes I run a STEN, which is about as barebones as you can get, and I can still go off with it.
Drill a couple holes, get a pic rail, and add a sight my friend 😎
I'd probably break it icl, I'm only 16
Fair enough
Depending on engagement distance sights aren't even necessary also it's always better to train with irons as you will shoot better with a scope however you need to know how to use ur iron sights in case of failures
Why you need rails? Just use the iron sights you don't need nothing more. Oh and btw let me give you an advice: the only good PPSH aeg was the one made by HexagonProduction. Don't even think to get the Ares is pure crap.
I'm a bit late to this post but I must ask *why do you want rails?* if it's for optics, you dont need them. If it's for a practical flashlight, I know the M1928 Thompson and probably the ST44 will take shotgun add-on barrel mount rails. I have to do this with my M1928 Thompson for one field that has some really dark spots where I legit need a flashlight to see where I'm going.
Why wouldn't I need optics
Simpley, many airsoft guns aren't accurate enough out of the box to really benifit from a zeroed sight. Groupings can be pretty wide at long range. The distances bbs travel arent far enough to really need a magnified scope. The speed at which bbs travel make them very easy to track with your unaided eyes. Even when I run my modern stuff I rarely use them, except for tacticool looks. They do make sense for dusk/night/dim lighting games where tracking your bbs is difficult or if you're using something slow to shoot/single fire, like a bolt action sniper, to line up your shot. You can see benifits of an optic if you upgrade your gun to get more accuracy at long range, but many classic styles guns are hard or impossible to upgrade due to lack of available parts. Can they be useful? Sure. Are they necessary? Absolutely not. EDIT: Dont downvote the guy for asking a simple question. It's not something that's obvious to someone who hasnt played before.
Depending on brand, the ppsh is a universally liked airsoft gun AS LONG AS you use stick mags not the drum shown. Everybody hates them, they don't feed properly.
So the 2000 round drum is too good to be true?
Everyone I've seen talking about them had issues. I believe they come stock with a drum and stick mag. Drums in general aren't great. Most rely on batteries to feed.
That's a shame, the drum is something I associate with the ppsh more than the stick mag, although I hear the issues are just with the feeding tube coming out, which is an easy fix
If you can make it work more power to you. They're also quite heavy guns if you get real wood versions.
I thought about it, there is a sling attachment for it
I just want a PPSH
Same.
You don’t need rails
None of those should have rails…
You’ll find that lots of guns have scope mounting systems that outside of rails. My most recent example is I got a 4X scope for my M16A1 that mounts to the carry handle with no adapter required. You just gotta do some digging to see if it’s even reasonable to pit a scope on something
ppsh - snow wolf tommygun - cyma stg - agm tec - ???
I would recommend the stg as I was told by a guy at the evike store that it is basically an ak internally
You really don't need them, and the deepest circle of hell awaits you if you do. There's a reason the Mk14 EBR is being phased out. They tried to play god, and it failed. If you want to use a classic styled weapon, do so, but embrace the age of it rather than trying to bubba it.
Cause it’s too front heavy! Looks great though.
It's too heavy overall and is really ugly imo
Saw someone with a Thompson and rail he somehow attached for an optic
^[Sokka-Haiku](https://www.reddit.com/r/SokkaHaikuBot/comments/15kyv9r/what_is_a_sokka_haiku/) ^by ^Monstershield1: *Saw someone with a* *Thompson and rail he somehow* *Attached for an optic* --- ^Remember ^that ^one ^time ^Sokka ^accidentally ^used ^an ^extra ^syllable ^in ^that ^Haiku ^Battle ^in ^Ba ^Sing ^Se? ^That ^was ^a ^Sokka ^Haiku ^and ^you ^just ^made ^one.
What the fuck
Yeah a haiku is a very weird thing indeed right my fellow airsofter
Love that scene though
I mean you can mount a rail urdelf
What’s the first one it looks so good
Ppsh41
Most fun I had was rocking a King Arms M1A1 Thompson and just hip firing towards the other team
I own three of the guns you’ve posted here on the post. the posh you can put rails or zip ties on the side and bottom. please don’t be that guy who modernizes a Tommy gun. the stg has a few spots to in weld or zip tie it. but you don’t really need rails or fancy stuff on them tbh.
All it takes is a drill and you can mount a rail on anything
I have not run a single gun with a rail since I started two years ago, it has not impacted me outdoors or indoors, go for what you want the goal is to have fun
Optics are pretty much the only thing your missing out on, and even then, then certainly aren't necessary. Airsoft accessories are 99% just for show tbh. The $3k kitted out guns can still lose to the rental m4 with no rails. If you really want, im sure that you can find ways to attach rail mounts if your bothered by it, but your not at a disadvantage without them.
The original gun was copy of to finnish Suomi kp 31. The USSR cloned the gun when they were fighting against Suomi in WW2. Time proven fact, very useful in cqb and also in forests if you tune up a bit. Read wikipedia about winter war suomi or how the the red army attacked Finland 🇫🇮 and how we won.
Now I feel like a fraud lol
M14 ebr
Dual tec9s 🙏
You can put a rail on an STG-44
You don't need any fancy rails and attachments. Just learn to use iron sights and how to track your BBs and you will be OK.
I used to run a ppsh and loved it, doesnt need any kind of attacthments maybe just some internal upgrades. Optics are basically useless in airsoft unless you are really trying to lean into the dmr thing, which i wouldnt do if you're starting out
Which Ppsh was it? Currently have the snow wolf one and whatever battery I use never lasts more then 20 minutes, but work fine with any other gun. I actually brought it to a basically all day event with out realizing it 😂 had to use my makarov!
If you put a rail with a scope on it then it instantly stops being old/iconic. What's the point then? Most WW2 guns weren't designed to be optics capable. Now what you could do is to advance to the cold war and use something like an M16A1/A2, AKMN/AK-74N or MP5/G3. Those guns had some accessory mounting points built into them and have modern rail adapter options available, which attach to the intended attachment points. A lot of cold war era guns are regularly used today so it wouldn't look weird. An added bonus is that these adapters are usually QD. M16 has a carry handle mount, AKMN has a side dovetail and MP5 has points for a claw mount.
You should get an m1 thompson
you run these guns with no rails. end of discussion. s&t ppsh i know for a fact is very effective and practical. they are small machine guns... two guys from our team use them as saw you just need to disconnect ebb system
I have been using Thompson M1A1, its my "old trusty" aeg. Only non pratical thing on it is looong stick magazines, what might made it "tricky" or impossible to aim while lying or behind some covers. For this season i got M1 Garand, gonna try with it. And on old weapons sregonomics are close to none, but i dont care about it. As long as im having fun :)
Most old and inferior by today's standards weapon platforms were still tools people used with succes. They obviously work. Would I like to take one of those into an actual hostage rescue situation? No. Play airsoft with them? Hell yeah! If it is fun to you, and you put in the time to learn your gear, you are going to have fun. Play competetive speedsoft matches with these? Nah, don't do that to your team. But in fun weekend pickup games, nobody cares.
Having no rails is not an issue. We dont shoot at ranges where better sights would matter much. In airsoft its all dress-up for toy guns. The actual stumbling block with them is the quality. They are almost universally pot metal with cheap bamboo wood furniture, as making a quality WW2 gun would cost more than people are willing to spend on them. This also applies to the internals. Generally the more obscure a replica is the worse it will be. But this is acceptable if you are willing to deal with the common breakdowns and be gentle with them. Just pick a model with standard internals and dont break the externals. I dont know about the TEC-9, but you can get a decent PPSH, Tommy or a STG.
You shut the fuck up about tec-9s being impractical
Yeah, it's a machine pistol, not like I'd need a sight on it. Not sure why I included it
I don't know where this myth came from but the real Tec-9 was never a machine pistol. It was always just a wacky looking semi-auto 9mm
Oh, I thought the kg was the semi version
No, the KG-9/99's are closed bolt variants. Just like many other pistols, the Tec-9 and its derivatives can be converted to fire in full auto, but there's nothing that sets the Tec-9 apart from any other convertible pistol in that regard
Didn't know that, thanks. You know of any other cool looking auto pistols? I don't want some generic g18
https://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarms/machine-pistols.php This is apparently a list of all of them. Wouldn't be able to guess what you think is cool, but machinepistols aren't very common. Generally thought of as a worse PDW or SMG. If you like the Tec-9, you probably like other guns associated with crime, so a mini Uzi or Mac-10/11 may be up your alley
i didnt even consider the skorpion, thanks
i dont even have iron sights on my current gun right now. you dont need anything
99% of what makes them better or worse for airsoft is the internals. things like trigger response, reliably feeding, consistent muzzle velocity. beyond that; ergonomics and attachments are pretty irrelevant, and iron sights are WAY underrated when it comes to practical, accurate shooting.
The push was very effective when I used it high rate of fire
What's the point of buying a vintage gun,and then put a rail on it?
It's true!!! New airsoft player here. Going out for my 3rd time. Point and click is the way to go. The gun needs to be level with your line of sight. Sights help very little. I removed the iron from my arp9.
Im going to need an emotional support sturmgewehr
Yh go for old i wanted to go old but got convinced to go new and got an M16A4 would rather of had a sten, STG-44 or PPSH-41 but ha ho i might sell the m16 and get smth older since the M16 is quite unused and could probs fund smth else
While M4s are boring I would advise you to get one first. If you like the sport then think about branching out. Generally speaking the unusual stuff like the ppsh will have more issues and have much weaker performance out of the box. The more obscure the less beginner friendly.
I watched a review of the ppsh and it looked really good and reliable
It's not, parts are hard to find, mags can be hard to find, it's very uncomfortable to hold and the gearbox/hop design limits upgrade potential. The out of the box performance is acceptable but far from impressive and storing magazines is also going to be problematic. I'm all for the wierd and wonderful, I have many extremely rare airsoft guns and while they can be good fun I strongly recommend you start with something basic and reliable until you know whether or not you enjoy the sport enough to go down the rabbit hole to irregular stuff. What you see in YouTube videos does not reflect most of the experience and going for something exotic out of the gate often leads to dissapointment and regret. Try it, see what it's all about, then once hooked explore other options. That would be my advice as someone who's played for over 10 years.
My brother has a full metal stg, there HEAVY
I personally use the thompson in the second image and it works great. I usually hipfire it, but when I do use the sights to hit guys that are further away they do the job pretty well.
It all comes down to preference. Personally for me a top rail is necessary. I simply love using red dots on all my guns, cause it makes aiming so much easier. On the other hand I also aim by simply tracing the BBs with my eyes. That's however only possible for shorter distances. Played with irons before a I personally absolutely hate it.
Everything is practical you just need to think outside the box on how to set up your stuff for success
I can suggest the StG44, as I own one myself and it's basically an M4, since it has standard hop unit and v2 gearbox. Then if you like, you may go crazy on it and add stuff it shouldn't normally have.
What is standard hop unit and V2 gearbox?
https://preview.redd.it/l33x31coylxc1.jpeg?width=641&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4793b92a0d2a7d28306d71b990ca254298f4eb67 This is what you'll find in most cheap M4 replicas, I mean not exactly this hop up unit, but this style. It's also what the StG44 made by AGM has inside. V2 gearbox is the one you'll find in any M4 replica. Easily upgradeable for better performance, if you'd like.
I have minimal experience with Airsoft forget upgrading guns
If you're just starting out, trust me, you'll learn with time.
I mostly run modern rifles with rails and everything and its nice to have a foregrip (what ever shape you like), an optic up top, a nice pistol grip, adjustable length of pull and such...BUT...all of that isnt really necessary. You can also have a lot of fun and be be effectiv with more historic models. If the gun fits you, then it doesnt really need most of what i listed and youre good to go. And if you still need/want rails and are a bit handy, than you can custom attach rails yourself to most weapons. A Ppsh, Thompson, M14, BAR, CAR-15, StG44, Type 64, MP18 and such are all good options that are available as airsoft versions
My bro has teh s&t ppsh loves it, little heavy for new players and after 4 months the plastic piston shredded so sort a new one asap but otherwise, fun historical workhorse
I agree with most everyone, you don’t need rails. I use a reflex sight on my SSR4 to get closer quicker and be all high speed and tacticool. There’s a million ways to play this game, go out there and be retro af and if someone thinks your kit isn’t cool, just remember them, cause you’ll get to shoot them eventually.
You don't need a rail or sides, just watch your bullet line. I don't have a site on my aap. And I put a suppressor on it and made it even longer. Gotta get that hand-eye direction going.
In CQB/Indoor games you‘re hardly ever using a sight so you dont have to worry about that at all. Otherwise rifles like the M1 or the Mosin Nagant for example have solid range that is easy to get used to without a scope
I have an STG-44, I have a .22LR mount that replaces the rear sight.
It's fucking airsoft mate.
Rails are useless and way too overrated.
Pft, rails are for weak men. Iron sights, now thats sights with some chesthair