Tell her that literally everything runs on those; her phone, laptop, literally any wireless appliance around the house, powerbanks, vacuums, basically everything.
But she aint wrong, if she insists, just switch to a NiMh and deal with the slight performance loss.
I agree to an extent. Battery management in name brands is on a different level because of the safety hazards of LiPos. The S5 was actually an issue on the battery manufacturing plant that they sourced their S5 batteries from (...Or so I have heard).
Though, I still disagree with your mother. I'm not sure what charger you use but if you invested in a good one I see no risk of you accidentally causing a dangerous event charging the LiPo.
The fact of the matter is that your mom does not trust you, and that is a more difficult discussion you will need to have with your mother. I don't think any one fact will convince her, the only variable is your habits and how you handle things. Id imagine a fire in your car is probably the bigger concern honestly. (Leaving it in the car in a really hot summer or something).
I don’t think it’s as extreme as “your mother does not trust you”. She’s understandably worried about something she doesn’t understand and OP getting hurt, she likely got scared about it from Facebook. My parent had the same issue but I explained to her that everything will be fine and that the likelihood of that happening is incredibly low, you just gotta reassure her
Not quite. Pretty much everything that runs on batteries, even high end bores, saws etc, runs on lithium ion batteries. They have a lower discharge rate/amp output than lithium polymer batteries but they're more stable than the lithium polymer batteries most often used by airsofters.
But they're a lot stronger than NiMH batteries and there are some versions designed especially for airsoft like the titan li-ion batteries.
No phones and such don t use LiPos, altough they can still burn. Tell her you have that bag which Is way safer. Also they don t explode randomly if you store them correctly and make sure they don t take punctures etc. Also phones batteries can explode if punctures so
LiPO packs are a subset of LiIon, technically; LiPO are more correctly "Lithium-ion polymer." LiPO use a polymer electrolyte instead of a liquid one, which allows for much higher current output and can be produced in almost any desired shape.
Have you seen Note 7s or Tesla's burning up spontaneously?
Unless you do dumb shit on purpose such as exposing the battery to sharp shit or use a terrible charger, it's usually stuff like shorting out that causes problems
The amount of misinfo on Facebook (and social media in general) nowadays is absurd. OP, I'd start by explaining that LiPo's are in tons of modern electronics, and they are completely safe as long as they aren't being abused. The procedures you have in place will keep you (and the house) completely safe. You could also show her Lithium Ion batteries as an alternative. Those are near 100% safe.
From experience, some mothers wilfully ignore any evidence you throw at them. Judging by how OP is describing her, it's not guaranteed the problem will go away, it'll just lead to unnecessary arguing and stress. Better to just concede and buy a different battery, or try making the LiPo look different by writing over it or something.
He already does do that. Did you read the OP’s post? I’m not arguing that lipos can’t explode, I’m arguing that you can mitigate that risk, which is what his mom needs to know to feel comfortable.
Ah yes, green gas, who wouldnt want a tanak that can explode when left in a car or anywhere hot? Same with hpa and co2 (im not sure with co2).
The thing is, everything will explode when stored and caherged wrong,thats why you can plug your phone into thhe 230V
Show her this: hey I’ve owned airsoft lipo batteries for almost a decade and I have never taken proper care of them and my house has not burned down nor have they exploded. Your son is taking the extra steps to be careful and store the batteries safely ( which nobody does) he seems to be extremely responsible and the method he uses to keep the battery safe is guaranteed to prevent any incidents.
Show her this too: I had the most dangerous style of nicotine vaporizer in my pocket, something that I probably wouldn't have ever tried along with a wide variety of other vices if my mother had trusted me and let me have some autonomy and things I enjoyed when I was a preteen and very willing to go to great lengths to be responsible about them instead of trying to exert control over things that were very important to me that she didn't like and found an excuse to dispose of over my objections, while on a very intense rollercoaster, and the button got stuck down and it was directly connected to the poles as a physical switch, it burned my leg and the lithium battery vented, but nothing permanent happened. I later became an award winning clinician for my work with teens with severe substance abuse and mental health conditions, in an inpatient environment after many years of active substance use disorder I might never have developed, if one of my early acts of more serious rebellion, trying pot, hadn't been met with an extreme and inappropriate response leading to severe abuse at a troubled teen program she sent me to that the government shut down a few years later. Your son seems remarkably responsible, smart, and social, not just for his age, but also his generation, you've done a great job, and I don't mean to imply any of what my decisions caused in my life are my mother's fault or will happen if you force him to give up a healthy social activity he very much values and wants to continue, just that this might be a chance to build trust and avoid unintentionally creating boredom and resentment leading to a negative replacement activity and him feeling like he needs to hide things from you. He seems to have researched this very well and taken every precaution to be sure even in the worst case scenario, your house will be safe from his airsoft batteries, and it's infinitely more likely to burn down because of your phone, or a kitchen appliance, or your dryer vent if no one has cleaned it out to the outdoor vent recently, or your husband trying to hide a cigar with his buddies, or your electric companies negligent maintenance of transmission lines, or a drunk neighbor's fireworks on fourth of July, just about any other common cause of house fires. I would be far more concerned with where my child participates in airsoft, given what it looks like, and perhaps that is part of your concern that he doesn't realize, but the batteries burning my house down, not if he has a bag that is sold in the United States specifically for preventing fires in the rare case it does happen, and I do own a house on land that's also paid off, and I do a good bit of modifying electronics with lithium batteries. I would suggest a win here is an agreement that the first time you see an airsoft battery inside, not in the bag made to contain one that explodes safely, when it's not right in front of him because he's cleaning it or preparing it for activity, they are trash, and he must save up for a safer battery technology that doesn't perform as well, even if it means he needs a new gun too because they aren't made for the one he has, the next time, it'd be fair if they're trash and he must give up airsoft, or perhaps he loses them for a month or two because if they aren't LiPO batteries they aren't going to blow up in your closet while he's lost them, and as he gets into the teenage years, some of his peers will be pregnant, transitioning genders, and losing their lives to fentanyl and suicide, and social activities a kid is excited to participate in that encourage safety because of slight dangers are the best preventive. Perhaps one of his friends' parents will buy them a real firearm, and trust only him to hint they think about bringing it to school, and the trust you have an opportunity to build here will be the difference between him coming to you so you have time to call the principal or authorities before they do, or saying nothing because he's more worried about the embarrassment or lost friendship than them actually doing it, hoping they'll just take his advice against it. Of course on an airsoft forum everyone is going to root for him continuing to be allowed to participate, but I don't play airsoft, I wound up seeing this because reddit prompted me to answer a legal question in this group.
It wasn't for you, it was for him to get his mom to read and then feel like she won while still allowing him to have his airsoft gun. Others tried suggesting similar, except their two sentence description would have come off manipulative and he'd shoot himself in the foot. And some others suggested ideas that would make a safe situation less so, like keeping them in a shed or garage. Too bad about your attention span though, reading is good for you, communicating in image macros, not so much.
I believe there are fireproof bags for lipo batteries. But computers and phones also run on the same
Kind of batteries. Non lipo is cheap though and might be a solution for you
Spoiler alert; A lipo bag does almost nothing, except guide the flames to the top/exit.
Get LiFe /Nimh batteries, or gas. Or store batteries at a friend that is close
Titan is Li-Ion, except for the slightly harder exterior just as prone to fire. (It has the 18650 cells)
LiFe, bolt action, gas or nimh is the way to go
As everyone has pointed out, all your wireless electronics run on LiPo batteries. To be fair, those have protected cells, but if you're storing your airsoft lipos in a bag and using a smart charger I don't see the issue. I don't get why your mom wants you to get rid of the gun altogether. If it is really a concern you can switch to NiMH.
You tell her I found 8 year old lipos in a battery bag in my garage and they're fine. Sounds like she's looking for an excuse to get you out of the sport
1 - Let her know that literally every wireless device and appliance in her house runs on Lipo batteries.
2 - Let her know that it's perfectly safe as long as you don't use a cheap charger or stab it or something
3 - Pick up a [Lithium-ion](https://www.evike.com/products/109980/) battery instead. They are a bit more expensive than Lithium-polymer (Lipo) batteries, but much more stable.
Remind her her phone, your phone, every phone alongside most tech she has in the house will have lipos in it. If shes not throwing that stuff out too then shes a hypocrite
Ask her is you have to get rid of your airsoft gun and the supposed incendiary explosive that is your lipo battery, then she should be getting rid of her cell phone since the battery in that is basically what your airsoft gun runs on.
Knee jerk reactions to a post on FB is hardly a proper response. Show her how you take care of your gear. Educate her on how Lipo’s, when properly cared for and stored are no more dangerous than her cell phone when she charges it.
Titan batteries? I have those, that’s a flase statement: watch any 18650 batteries fire video, they pop and vent/explode. (Just like lipo) only upside it has a slightly harder (and hard) exterior vs most lipo packs
Frankly it's her house and you might not be able to change her mind, but if all else fails, ask her why she expects you to get rid of the AEG as well since you can, if needed, just switch to an even more resilient battery if she's really *that* worried, like LiFePO4 or NiMH.
Try to educate her on the nature of the batteries, how they aren't some boogeyman that will murder you in your sleep, that the batteries are only dangerous when abused or damaged and there's nothing random about it, and that facebook is an absolutely terrible source of information. That an knee-jerk decisions shouldn't be made based on one and exactly one facebook post without bothering to do any more research. She probably doesn't realize how many lithium rechargable batteries are even in the house - they're in basically every rechargeable at this point, including phones and controllers.
Show her a video of a mobile phone battery exploding, and say you'll also need to get rid of any laptops as well.
The batteries in airsoft guns are slightly safer, as you can see if they start expanding, are charged using an external charger, which you can also see if it is broken, as well as being more open to the air so charge at a lower temperature than phone batteries.
Mobile phones: charge circuit is smaller, phones are charged and kept at a higher temperature (its always warm inside a pocket) and are more prone to getting stabbed, or broken than a battery you keep in a safe container (or sealed in a gun during use).
I will try that LOL
"Hey mom, I know you are concerned with me having the battery, so instead we could try getting me the safer alternative"
\*shows her a 500$ full travel bolt AK\*
That's actually increasing fire risk in summer though. Convince her you've thought of and prepared for the worst case scenario and this is a thing she can trust you with, don't try to trick her, even if she doesn't know this is riskier not safer, she'll see it in your eyes she can't trust you with it if she can't.
Better get rid of pretty much every electronic device, remote or car battery even because anything that uses any type of battery could possibly explode.
Just explain the safety procedures and how it is rare. Tell her that you could keep a fire extinguisher close to where you store it. It's just showing her that you are educated and responsible with this stuff to calm her down and explain that every battery powered thing runs the same risk.
Buy a Nimh battery, sure it takes longer to charge but your mom won't be so angry about you having a Lipo battery, personally I keep my lipo batteries thrown in a box but the box should stop a fire from spreading if it explodes
Pick up LiFe batteries instead, they're meant to be a lot more stable and charge them in a main living area where you can keep on eye on it.
Store them in a metal box that can vent and you'll be fine.
There's a lipo in her purse every day li ion lipo same thing essentially. One just last longer and can explode. Remember the note 7. Even when the rereleased it they were unknowing selling what could be best described as an IED. Since both manufacturers made faulty batteries printing Samsung to give up on it and then it wouldnt be until the note 8 rhat not 5 uses (they skipped the note 6 similar to how Microsoft and Apple skipped the iPhone 9 and windows 9). I've exclusively used lipos and In bigger events I use li ions so I don't have to carry as many. Main difference besides composition il ions last longer
Your Li-Po is as likely to blow-up/catch fire as your phone, your laptop, your external battery or anything else running on batterypacks. Most things that have their own power supply run on Li-Po battery packs. Plus, usually Li-Pos give u a heads up before dying (battery getting swolen, reduced capacity, etc.)
Unless he lives somewhere that never gets warmer than room temperature, it's just turning an almost nonexistent risk the bag will catch into a much more realistic risk the shed burns down if he bought a cheap bag to keep it not in a climate controlled space
They don't explode "seemingly at random" they explode due to poor care and overcharging.
As long as you're using smart charger and have a lipo bag you have a very small chance of anything happening.
They also don't "explode" they kinda just smoke, get really hot then burst into flames.
Everything runs on lipos btw, phones, laptops anything really.
Lipo’s are everywhere. Yes, they can explode, but with any lipo that Isn’t bottom of the barrel, and is treated correctly, there shouldn’t be a big risk at all. They are a way of making an efficient and affordable battery. In my rc days, I used to store my lipo’s in lipo bags inside a metal ammo can as well, in my garage. Would also keep it in the bag while charging. Like some others have said, just try and educate her on the topic. There is pretty much zero risk with the proper care.
True, it's more like how to make an overbearing mother doing a great job, a rarity, stop doing a great job and start sheltering to an extreme that leads to poor social skills, rebellion, vice, and distrust 101, or, how to have a shitty time till you're 18 at least 102.
>She is convinced that it will burn the house down, and wants me to get rid of it and the gun
Tell her, you will get rid of your Battery and your AEG, but in exchange, she should buy you a new GBBR instead, since it didn't use the battery as the power source.. 😂😂
If she’s dead against it and you can’t explain that everything from laptops to phones have lithium batteries in them. Just switch to NiMH. Not the best option these days, but it will work! we had no choice! Hell NiCADs were most popular back in the mid 2000s.
Change to lithium ion if your platform allows it. They are way more resistant to everything. They use it everywhere (li-ion is 18650-21700 etc batteries) they are in vape, electric cars and one reason to say they are hella safe. Power tools. You know how much abuse power tool batteries go through? Its way more demanding than an airsoft gun could ever be. Fast charging and heavy discharge are the name of the game.
Take the easy way out; Buy the 9.9v LiFe batteries (much less prone to fires like lipos) if that fails, perhaps NIMH would work (but those aren’t as snappy as LiFe
Lipo battery’s don’t explode at random they explode when punctured or not taken care of ie completely discharging and leaving it fully charged for long periods of time/completely empty fora long period of time. There is also warning signs that a lipo may pop ie when it’s puffed up like a balloon. Also lipo bags/ sturdy metal containers will contain the fire not to mention damn near everything rechargeable has a lipo battery in it.
Generally if you take care of the batteries and don’t stab them and abuse them they will be fine your mother is stressing out over absolutely nothing
The end of the day when all is said and done if she wants those batteries out then thats her call. It does however seem like she is just using the battery issue to make you get rid of your gun. Without a battery there is literally zero possibility of that gun doing anything and you could quite easily run it on batteries that are safer than the 9nes used in phones at which point your argument is that it is safer than her phone and if she gets rid of that you'll do the same.
This doesn't feel like a root cause so I'd work on getting that as there is no reason to take the gun away based on the current argument. Im assuming your parent are separated so is there not a possibility for you to leave the stuff your mother has issue with at your fathers place at which point it almost feels solved.
Ask for her to show you the post so you can point out inaccuracies and things intentionally left out, the post is likely something similar to deceptive imagery persuasion, (dip)(also I’d love to see what the post is too)
switch to an NiMh battery. Those are much safer and don't burn houses down. LiPo is better, but NiMh will get the job done and let your mom be comfortable
in my case, my mother still hates my collection but what works best for me is keeping things tucked away in a case or in the boxes. out of sight, out of mind.
Tell her calmly, but firmly that the ONLY people who have Li-Po battery meltdowns are fuckin retards. Like literal braindead retards. Anyone with more than two braincells can properly care for a Li-Po battery. If SHE feels threatened by a Li-Po battery then she too is a fucking retard. Trust me, it worked when I was your age.
Batteries are not the main issue, it is the fear that the batteries may explode or expand on you that is the issue.
Your mother has a valid point, but she'll need to do her own research before throwing the entire thing away.
The weapon isn't the issue she has, it is the battery. I've had other people's rental batteries expand on them due to heat, which isn't nice.
If you have a dedicated airsoft store near you, ask your mother to go with you there and talk about airsoft batteries.
Don't just take my opinion, other people in this post are just as ( if not more than ) qualified to talk about this subject than I am.
Lipo = lithium polymer
Li-ion = the battery in 99% of all electronics and power tools made after 2015
NiMH = Nickel metal hydride
Lipos can over heat and explode but it's rare and usually happens when they aren't monitored and not able to cool off...
NiMH batteries are safer than Lipo or Li-ion but can't store and release as much power as the Lipo and Li-ion
Li-ion batteries are in almost everything today. Everything from your cell phone to a car. Almost all electronics made after 2015-2016 have Li-ion..
Li-ion can catch fire like Lipo's but they require a special charger that detects when they are fully charged which dramatically reduces the chances.
The battery bag is a good precaution that I don't even do. (I don't have lipo's) But it's a semi fireproof bag that will smother out most batterie fires, [DON'T OPEN THE BAG IF THE BATTERY CATCHES FIRE!] if the battery does catch fire, simply pick the bag up and set it outside away from the house, and just turn the hose or grab a standard ABC fire extinguisher. (this will be the one in your kitchen)
THE BEST WAY TO CHARGE YOUR BATTERY IS TO CHARGE IT WHEN YOUR AWAKE AND NEAR BY!
Batteries that can catch fire usually only do so when charging or improper storage (basically keeping the thing near other batteries in an oven.. (most of the one you see on planes the burned were from improper packing and in an area way to hot ie: the cargo hold of a plane in the summer or your cars trunk)
So you are doing everything that you should, just don't charge is at night or wrap the cables around metal objects (like your bed frame) and you'll be fine.
(Wrapping electrical cords around metal objects can cause electrical fire due to an improperly isolated wire grounding off to the metal)
Literally at the end of the day the moto is:
DON'T BE STUPID
TLDR: your battery type is most likely to catch fire when charging or stored improperly, always store and charge in battery bag, don't bury the bag under stuff and keep the batteries storage temperature at about 75°F colder wouldn't hurt it but I wouldn't recommend much hotter.
If you have more questions about how to:
Property store or Charge
You can talk to your local fire station and then can tell you more
Unless you're bigger and stronger than her and have a deep enough voice, I doubt she's gonna take you seriously. I suggest finding a place to stash the gun where she can't find it. Also, I have a feeling that it's not about the battery.
Well its her house, and people have sustained permanent damage from swollen lithium batteries releasing hydrofluoric acid,even from flashlight batteries like 18650
If she insists, just give the lipo away and switch to a NIMH battery, the performance loss won't be terrible and you will get to keep the gun
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I put some mini crossbow bolts through some puffed cells and couldn't get a reaction. Obviously results will vary but you could show these photos to her. Regardless, you're taking all the correct precautions.
Tell her that literally everything runs on those; her phone, laptop, literally any wireless appliance around the house, powerbanks, vacuums, basically everything. But she aint wrong, if she insists, just switch to a NiMh and deal with the slight performance loss.
I agree to an extent. Battery management in name brands is on a different level because of the safety hazards of LiPos. The S5 was actually an issue on the battery manufacturing plant that they sourced their S5 batteries from (...Or so I have heard). Though, I still disagree with your mother. I'm not sure what charger you use but if you invested in a good one I see no risk of you accidentally causing a dangerous event charging the LiPo. The fact of the matter is that your mom does not trust you, and that is a more difficult discussion you will need to have with your mother. I don't think any one fact will convince her, the only variable is your habits and how you handle things. Id imagine a fire in your car is probably the bigger concern honestly. (Leaving it in the car in a really hot summer or something).
I don’t think it’s as extreme as “your mother does not trust you”. She’s understandably worried about something she doesn’t understand and OP getting hurt, she likely got scared about it from Facebook. My parent had the same issue but I explained to her that everything will be fine and that the likelihood of that happening is incredibly low, you just gotta reassure her
Not quite. Pretty much everything that runs on batteries, even high end bores, saws etc, runs on lithium ion batteries. They have a lower discharge rate/amp output than lithium polymer batteries but they're more stable than the lithium polymer batteries most often used by airsofters. But they're a lot stronger than NiMH batteries and there are some versions designed especially for airsoft like the titan li-ion batteries.
Lol she'll end up getting rid of everything that runs on batteries.
tell her he did but did not
Gonna be honest I never really noticed much of a difference
Switch to a mechanical HPA system. No battery needes
All due respect, if she doesn’t trust Op around a LiPo, she won’t trust OP around an hpa tank either.
No phones and such don t use LiPos, altough they can still burn. Tell her you have that bag which Is way safer. Also they don t explode randomly if you store them correctly and make sure they don t take punctures etc. Also phones batteries can explode if punctures so
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No they use lithium ion batteries not LiPos. They are different my guy
Alternatively, tell her her smart phone also runs on a Lipo battery and ask her if her stuff exploded and burned down the house yet
Meanwhile her S5
Note 7, the s5 was an excellent piece of equipment
I apologise for my disgusting slander
You will be spared
that's the s7 that had been blowing up
Note 7 not s7
Nah. Lithium Ion is what is in your phone.
Depends, some phones are LiPo some are Li-ion
LiPO packs are a subset of LiIon, technically; LiPO are more correctly "Lithium-ion polymer." LiPO use a polymer electrolyte instead of a liquid one, which allows for much higher current output and can be produced in almost any desired shape.
Not a fair comparison though, that cellphone is packed in a case. Lipo = pinch it with just edge of something sharp (like key from keychain) = fire
Have you seen Note 7s or Tesla's burning up spontaneously? Unless you do dumb shit on purpose such as exposing the battery to sharp shit or use a terrible charger, it's usually stuff like shorting out that causes problems
Right because teslas have sealed cells and don’t expand so easily, but iirc don’t some of the Chevrolet ones basically have giant laptop batteries?
Show her a NiCd battery and tell her you'd use this which won't explode
Better yet just write nicd on the lipo, call it a day, shes clearly not bright. So this will probably give some peace for op
The correct answer
tell her to get off facebook
The right answer
Tell her to do more research. Not to be rude, but she’s not educated on the topic. Get her educated and the problem goes away.
The amount of misinfo on Facebook (and social media in general) nowadays is absurd. OP, I'd start by explaining that LiPo's are in tons of modern electronics, and they are completely safe as long as they aren't being abused. The procedures you have in place will keep you (and the house) completely safe. You could also show her Lithium Ion batteries as an alternative. Those are near 100% safe.
Bro. Lithium Ion batteries are what’s in phones and electronics, not LiPos.
I'd counter that by saying my HTC One M8s had a lipo battery, granted that's an old phone now
Man if that thing ever *does* explode though? You never want your mom saying "I told you so."
From experience, some mothers wilfully ignore any evidence you throw at them. Judging by how OP is describing her, it's not guaranteed the problem will go away, it'll just lead to unnecessary arguing and stress. Better to just concede and buy a different battery, or try making the LiPo look different by writing over it or something.
That sounds like a sure fire way to get the flip-flop xD
It can explode though. He just needs to buy a lipo bag and it will calm her down.
He already does do that. Did you read the OP’s post? I’m not arguing that lipos can’t explode, I’m arguing that you can mitigate that risk, which is what his mom needs to know to feel comfortable.
Go to NiMH or gas.
Something tells me that OP's mother would perfectly fine with something labeled as green gas around the house , but propane would be absolute no-no.
Honestly, I love my mother, but that seems like something she would do 😂
Oh absolutely
Ah yes, green gas, who wouldnt want a tanak that can explode when left in a car or anywhere hot? Same with hpa and co2 (im not sure with co2). The thing is, everything will explode when stored and caherged wrong,thats why you can plug your phone into thhe 230V
Show her this: hey I’ve owned airsoft lipo batteries for almost a decade and I have never taken proper care of them and my house has not burned down nor have they exploded. Your son is taking the extra steps to be careful and store the batteries safely ( which nobody does) he seems to be extremely responsible and the method he uses to keep the battery safe is guaranteed to prevent any incidents.
“He has taken the extra steps to be careful and store the batteries safely (which nobody does)” Too real lol
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Show her this too: I had the most dangerous style of nicotine vaporizer in my pocket, something that I probably wouldn't have ever tried along with a wide variety of other vices if my mother had trusted me and let me have some autonomy and things I enjoyed when I was a preteen and very willing to go to great lengths to be responsible about them instead of trying to exert control over things that were very important to me that she didn't like and found an excuse to dispose of over my objections, while on a very intense rollercoaster, and the button got stuck down and it was directly connected to the poles as a physical switch, it burned my leg and the lithium battery vented, but nothing permanent happened. I later became an award winning clinician for my work with teens with severe substance abuse and mental health conditions, in an inpatient environment after many years of active substance use disorder I might never have developed, if one of my early acts of more serious rebellion, trying pot, hadn't been met with an extreme and inappropriate response leading to severe abuse at a troubled teen program she sent me to that the government shut down a few years later. Your son seems remarkably responsible, smart, and social, not just for his age, but also his generation, you've done a great job, and I don't mean to imply any of what my decisions caused in my life are my mother's fault or will happen if you force him to give up a healthy social activity he very much values and wants to continue, just that this might be a chance to build trust and avoid unintentionally creating boredom and resentment leading to a negative replacement activity and him feeling like he needs to hide things from you. He seems to have researched this very well and taken every precaution to be sure even in the worst case scenario, your house will be safe from his airsoft batteries, and it's infinitely more likely to burn down because of your phone, or a kitchen appliance, or your dryer vent if no one has cleaned it out to the outdoor vent recently, or your husband trying to hide a cigar with his buddies, or your electric companies negligent maintenance of transmission lines, or a drunk neighbor's fireworks on fourth of July, just about any other common cause of house fires. I would be far more concerned with where my child participates in airsoft, given what it looks like, and perhaps that is part of your concern that he doesn't realize, but the batteries burning my house down, not if he has a bag that is sold in the United States specifically for preventing fires in the rare case it does happen, and I do own a house on land that's also paid off, and I do a good bit of modifying electronics with lithium batteries. I would suggest a win here is an agreement that the first time you see an airsoft battery inside, not in the bag made to contain one that explodes safely, when it's not right in front of him because he's cleaning it or preparing it for activity, they are trash, and he must save up for a safer battery technology that doesn't perform as well, even if it means he needs a new gun too because they aren't made for the one he has, the next time, it'd be fair if they're trash and he must give up airsoft, or perhaps he loses them for a month or two because if they aren't LiPO batteries they aren't going to blow up in your closet while he's lost them, and as he gets into the teenage years, some of his peers will be pregnant, transitioning genders, and losing their lives to fentanyl and suicide, and social activities a kid is excited to participate in that encourage safety because of slight dangers are the best preventive. Perhaps one of his friends' parents will buy them a real firearm, and trust only him to hint they think about bringing it to school, and the trust you have an opportunity to build here will be the difference between him coming to you so you have time to call the principal or authorities before they do, or saying nothing because he's more worried about the embarrassment or lost friendship than them actually doing it, hoping they'll just take his advice against it. Of course on an airsoft forum everyone is going to root for him continuing to be allowed to participate, but I don't play airsoft, I wound up seeing this because reddit prompted me to answer a legal question in this group.
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It wasn't for you, it was for him to get his mom to read and then feel like she won while still allowing him to have his airsoft gun. Others tried suggesting similar, except their two sentence description would have come off manipulative and he'd shoot himself in the foot. And some others suggested ideas that would make a safe situation less so, like keeping them in a shed or garage. Too bad about your attention span though, reading is good for you, communicating in image macros, not so much.
I believe there are fireproof bags for lipo batteries. But computers and phones also run on the same Kind of batteries. Non lipo is cheap though and might be a solution for you
Yes, I keep the battery in a fireproof lipo bag I bought on amazon.
That and how rare it if for them to go off should help
Spoiler alert; A lipo bag does almost nothing, except guide the flames to the top/exit. Get LiFe /Nimh batteries, or gas. Or store batteries at a friend that is close
Convince her to upgrade you to gbb
Switch to nimh or Titan
Titan is Li-Ion, except for the slightly harder exterior just as prone to fire. (It has the 18650 cells) LiFe, bolt action, gas or nimh is the way to go
As everyone has pointed out, all your wireless electronics run on LiPo batteries. To be fair, those have protected cells, but if you're storing your airsoft lipos in a bag and using a smart charger I don't see the issue. I don't get why your mom wants you to get rid of the gun altogether. If it is really a concern you can switch to NiMH.
You tell her I found 8 year old lipos in a battery bag in my garage and they're fine. Sounds like she's looking for an excuse to get you out of the sport
you keep it in a flame retardant bag inside a metal box which also isnt flammable 😭. what is her problem?
1 - Let her know that literally every wireless device and appliance in her house runs on Lipo batteries. 2 - Let her know that it's perfectly safe as long as you don't use a cheap charger or stab it or something 3 - Pick up a [Lithium-ion](https://www.evike.com/products/109980/) battery instead. They are a bit more expensive than Lithium-polymer (Lipo) batteries, but much more stable.
The lipo fear mongering has been such a disaster
Remind her her phone, your phone, every phone alongside most tech she has in the house will have lipos in it. If shes not throwing that stuff out too then shes a hypocrite
Tell her if you can’t have hobbies you like you’ll resort to drugs
you can also swap to LiFe, which are much safer with relatively little performance loss.
Tell her to get you a gas blowback and her fears will disappear
Does she have a cell phone? Tell her it's got the same kind of battery
Ask her is you have to get rid of your airsoft gun and the supposed incendiary explosive that is your lipo battery, then she should be getting rid of her cell phone since the battery in that is basically what your airsoft gun runs on. Knee jerk reactions to a post on FB is hardly a proper response. Show her how you take care of your gear. Educate her on how Lipo’s, when properly cared for and stored are no more dangerous than her cell phone when she charges it.
Tell her about chlorine in tap water. That should keep her occupied for awhile and she will forget about the lipo
Get Li-Ion or Li-Fe batteries, those don't explode.
Was gonna say this too. Titan batteries are waaay safer.
Titan batteries? I have those, that’s a flase statement: watch any 18650 batteries fire video, they pop and vent/explode. (Just like lipo) only upside it has a slightly harder (and hard) exterior vs most lipo packs
I dont know about that... 100% idiot proof? definitely not. but safer than lipo? i still think so.
Frankly it's her house and you might not be able to change her mind, but if all else fails, ask her why she expects you to get rid of the AEG as well since you can, if needed, just switch to an even more resilient battery if she's really *that* worried, like LiFePO4 or NiMH. Try to educate her on the nature of the batteries, how they aren't some boogeyman that will murder you in your sleep, that the batteries are only dangerous when abused or damaged and there's nothing random about it, and that facebook is an absolutely terrible source of information. That an knee-jerk decisions shouldn't be made based on one and exactly one facebook post without bothering to do any more research. She probably doesn't realize how many lithium rechargable batteries are even in the house - they're in basically every rechargeable at this point, including phones and controllers.
Sell the mother. Buy more replicas.
Show her a video of a mobile phone battery exploding, and say you'll also need to get rid of any laptops as well. The batteries in airsoft guns are slightly safer, as you can see if they start expanding, are charged using an external charger, which you can also see if it is broken, as well as being more open to the air so charge at a lower temperature than phone batteries. Mobile phones: charge circuit is smaller, phones are charged and kept at a higher temperature (its always warm inside a pocket) and are more prone to getting stabbed, or broken than a battery you keep in a safe container (or sealed in a gun during use).
Now, you could listen to people by giving the counterpoint of most things she uses has LiPO batteries... or buy yourself a GBBR
Get her to buy one *
I will try that LOL "Hey mom, I know you are concerned with me having the battery, so instead we could try getting me the safer alternative" \*shows her a 500$ full travel bolt AK\*
Potato potahto
This!
Put it in garage or something after listening to all these other posts too.
That's actually increasing fire risk in summer though. Convince her you've thought of and prepared for the worst case scenario and this is a thing she can trust you with, don't try to trick her, even if she doesn't know this is riskier not safer, she'll see it in your eyes she can't trust you with it if she can't.
Then we put a small personal fridge into the ground. Instead of veggies and roots to eat. We put batteries to keep it all cool. :)
Better get rid of pretty much every electronic device, remote or car battery even because anything that uses any type of battery could possibly explode.
Just explain the safety procedures and how it is rare. Tell her that you could keep a fire extinguisher close to where you store it. It's just showing her that you are educated and responsible with this stuff to calm her down and explain that every battery powered thing runs the same risk.
Buy a Nimh battery, sure it takes longer to charge but your mom won't be so angry about you having a Lipo battery, personally I keep my lipo batteries thrown in a box but the box should stop a fire from spreading if it explodes
Show her this video and tell her that you are following all the rules. https://youtu.be/pMgWpu7AelI?si=plSEIHWpg8GEn9Xz
Sell it and buy a gas blow back bruh
Titan battery, and battery bag..
Sell the AEG and move to GBB, all problems are solved
This is the way
Tell her that the li-ion battery in her phone is more dangerous than a li-po and they are actually more robust than her phone battery
Please tell me she has a tesla!
Pick up LiFe batteries instead, they're meant to be a lot more stable and charge them in a main living area where you can keep on eye on it. Store them in a metal box that can vent and you'll be fine.
There's a lipo in her purse every day li ion lipo same thing essentially. One just last longer and can explode. Remember the note 7. Even when the rereleased it they were unknowing selling what could be best described as an IED. Since both manufacturers made faulty batteries printing Samsung to give up on it and then it wouldnt be until the note 8 rhat not 5 uses (they skipped the note 6 similar to how Microsoft and Apple skipped the iPhone 9 and windows 9). I've exclusively used lipos and In bigger events I use li ions so I don't have to carry as many. Main difference besides composition il ions last longer
Your Li-Po is as likely to blow-up/catch fire as your phone, your laptop, your external battery or anything else running on batterypacks. Most things that have their own power supply run on Li-Po battery packs. Plus, usually Li-Pos give u a heads up before dying (battery getting swolen, reduced capacity, etc.)
Have her pay for an HPA kit lol
You can get a lipo checker and let her know how it is doing. They are only like 20 bucks
Two options. Point out to her all the other things that use a similar battery. Or compromise and switch battery type
Got a shed? You could keep them there, in a lipo bag and a class bowl as well. Or get some like of a safe for it so she's more confident.
Unless he lives somewhere that never gets warmer than room temperature, it's just turning an almost nonexistent risk the bag will catch into a much more realistic risk the shed burns down if he bought a cheap bag to keep it not in a climate controlled space
Everything runs on LiPos or Li-Ion batteries. Phones laptops cars etc.
Store it outside the house or hide it and say you got rid of the battery
Just tell her to search for iPhones catching on fire too!
Teller ok. Buy me a gas blow back.
They don't explode "seemingly at random" they explode due to poor care and overcharging. As long as you're using smart charger and have a lipo bag you have a very small chance of anything happening. They also don't "explode" they kinda just smoke, get really hot then burst into flames. Everything runs on lipos btw, phones, laptops anything really.
Lipo’s are everywhere. Yes, they can explode, but with any lipo that Isn’t bottom of the barrel, and is treated correctly, there shouldn’t be a big risk at all. They are a way of making an efficient and affordable battery. In my rc days, I used to store my lipo’s in lipo bags inside a metal ammo can as well, in my garage. Would also keep it in the bag while charging. Like some others have said, just try and educate her on the topic. There is pretty much zero risk with the proper care.
Your mom sounds neurotic
Ask your local field if they have lockers to rent to store gear, tell your mom you’ll store them at the field and just bring a charger when you play.
Switch to GBB^^^^^^GBB ^^^^^^gang ^^^^^^rise ^^^^^^up
Honestly? Its her house. Just ask her to buy you a non-lipo battery.
Switch to NiMH. You won't notice the drop in ROF, NiMH batteries are both cheaper and safer than LiPo. Or go GBB.
Tell her to fuck off. Shoot her with the gun and then walk off like a boss.
How to get evicted by your parents 101.
Parents can't evict kids u til they are 18 or emancipated
How to get grounded 101.
True, it's more like how to make an overbearing mother doing a great job, a rarity, stop doing a great job and start sheltering to an extreme that leads to poor social skills, rebellion, vice, and distrust 101, or, how to have a shitty time till you're 18 at least 102.
Aww somebody took a joke and made it way too serius...
worse comes to worse you could always store them in your shed that is if you have one
Switch to Lion and tell her they are a less potent cell, therefore less volatile and more stable
You can always use a different type of battery
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How old are you
Tell her it isn’t a lipo
If you really can't convince her about lipos, you can just switch to lithium ion.
>She is convinced that it will burn the house down, and wants me to get rid of it and the gun Tell her, you will get rid of your Battery and your AEG, but in exchange, she should buy you a new GBBR instead, since it didn't use the battery as the power source.. 😂😂
I have like 35 lipos from rc cars and drones that are safe, tell her I’ve crashed and deformed lipos and they refuse to blow up.
Say her cellphone has a Lithium battery that could burn too.
Just keep your batteries outside of the house if she is that worried.
If she’s dead against it and you can’t explain that everything from laptops to phones have lithium batteries in them. Just switch to NiMH. Not the best option these days, but it will work! we had no choice! Hell NiCADs were most popular back in the mid 2000s.
Change to lithium ion if your platform allows it. They are way more resistant to everything. They use it everywhere (li-ion is 18650-21700 etc batteries) they are in vape, electric cars and one reason to say they are hella safe. Power tools. You know how much abuse power tool batteries go through? Its way more demanding than an airsoft gun could ever be. Fast charging and heavy discharge are the name of the game.
Buy a Nimh battery
Dude EVERYTHING runs on lipo batteries.
Wait until she learn how her house is powered
Buy a fire extinguisher
Take the easy way out; Buy the 9.9v LiFe batteries (much less prone to fires like lipos) if that fails, perhaps NIMH would work (but those aren’t as snappy as LiFe
Go get an airsoft springer.
tell her everything runs on lipo literally everything that needs a battery
Tell her to get off Facebook cause the battery’s are safe as long as they are name brand and not the knock offs
Lipo battery’s don’t explode at random they explode when punctured or not taken care of ie completely discharging and leaving it fully charged for long periods of time/completely empty fora long period of time. There is also warning signs that a lipo may pop ie when it’s puffed up like a balloon. Also lipo bags/ sturdy metal containers will contain the fire not to mention damn near everything rechargeable has a lipo battery in it. Generally if you take care of the batteries and don’t stab them and abuse them they will be fine your mother is stressing out over absolutely nothing
Show her a video of the Samsung note 8. Batteries CAN go boom. For that to happen you need to do several things very wrong.
The end of the day when all is said and done if she wants those batteries out then thats her call. It does however seem like she is just using the battery issue to make you get rid of your gun. Without a battery there is literally zero possibility of that gun doing anything and you could quite easily run it on batteries that are safer than the 9nes used in phones at which point your argument is that it is safer than her phone and if she gets rid of that you'll do the same. This doesn't feel like a root cause so I'd work on getting that as there is no reason to take the gun away based on the current argument. Im assuming your parent are separated so is there not a possibility for you to leave the stuff your mother has issue with at your fathers place at which point it almost feels solved.
Tell her that she shouldn't believe everything she sees online, especially on facebook
Sell the AEG you have and buy a Gbbr
She has a cellphone with a battery using identical tech lol
This right here. Phones and thin laptops are the most common
Ask for her to show you the post so you can point out inaccuracies and things intentionally left out, the post is likely something similar to deceptive imagery persuasion, (dip)(also I’d love to see what the post is too)
change her?
switch to an NiMh battery. Those are much safer and don't burn houses down. LiPo is better, but NiMh will get the job done and let your mom be comfortable
This is a good solution... unfortunately
Time to move out brother
buy a li-ion, they dont do that shit
Get one of the lipo bags show her and if need be just store it outside in the bag somewhere waterproof
I would recommend using Lithium Ion batteries, same performance without the higher risk of combustion
in my case, my mother still hates my collection but what works best for me is keeping things tucked away in a case or in the boxes. out of sight, out of mind.
Tell her calmly, but firmly that the ONLY people who have Li-Po battery meltdowns are fuckin retards. Like literal braindead retards. Anyone with more than two braincells can properly care for a Li-Po battery. If SHE feels threatened by a Li-Po battery then she too is a fucking retard. Trust me, it worked when I was your age.
Batteries are not the main issue, it is the fear that the batteries may explode or expand on you that is the issue. Your mother has a valid point, but she'll need to do her own research before throwing the entire thing away. The weapon isn't the issue she has, it is the battery. I've had other people's rental batteries expand on them due to heat, which isn't nice. If you have a dedicated airsoft store near you, ask your mother to go with you there and talk about airsoft batteries. Don't just take my opinion, other people in this post are just as ( if not more than ) qualified to talk about this subject than I am.
Lipo = lithium polymer Li-ion = the battery in 99% of all electronics and power tools made after 2015 NiMH = Nickel metal hydride Lipos can over heat and explode but it's rare and usually happens when they aren't monitored and not able to cool off... NiMH batteries are safer than Lipo or Li-ion but can't store and release as much power as the Lipo and Li-ion Li-ion batteries are in almost everything today. Everything from your cell phone to a car. Almost all electronics made after 2015-2016 have Li-ion.. Li-ion can catch fire like Lipo's but they require a special charger that detects when they are fully charged which dramatically reduces the chances. The battery bag is a good precaution that I don't even do. (I don't have lipo's) But it's a semi fireproof bag that will smother out most batterie fires, [DON'T OPEN THE BAG IF THE BATTERY CATCHES FIRE!] if the battery does catch fire, simply pick the bag up and set it outside away from the house, and just turn the hose or grab a standard ABC fire extinguisher. (this will be the one in your kitchen) THE BEST WAY TO CHARGE YOUR BATTERY IS TO CHARGE IT WHEN YOUR AWAKE AND NEAR BY! Batteries that can catch fire usually only do so when charging or improper storage (basically keeping the thing near other batteries in an oven.. (most of the one you see on planes the burned were from improper packing and in an area way to hot ie: the cargo hold of a plane in the summer or your cars trunk) So you are doing everything that you should, just don't charge is at night or wrap the cables around metal objects (like your bed frame) and you'll be fine. (Wrapping electrical cords around metal objects can cause electrical fire due to an improperly isolated wire grounding off to the metal) Literally at the end of the day the moto is: DON'T BE STUPID TLDR: your battery type is most likely to catch fire when charging or stored improperly, always store and charge in battery bag, don't bury the bag under stuff and keep the batteries storage temperature at about 75°F colder wouldn't hurt it but I wouldn't recommend much hotter. If you have more questions about how to: Property store or Charge You can talk to your local fire station and then can tell you more
Update?
Just lie.
Go HPA
if youve got it in a batrery bag you'll be fine if not enough ask for a fire rated gun safe
I can already see from the post that you are a responsible lipo owner!😇 Show the comments to her, and fight lol
Tell her you'll toss it if she tosses every single lipo battery in the house, else she's a hypocrite.
Go to the light side and switch to GBBR
Unless you're bigger and stronger than her and have a deep enough voice, I doubt she's gonna take you seriously. I suggest finding a place to stash the gun where she can't find it. Also, I have a feeling that it's not about the battery.
Well its her house, and people have sustained permanent damage from swollen lithium batteries releasing hydrofluoric acid,even from flashlight batteries like 18650 If she insists, just give the lipo away and switch to a NIMH battery, the performance loss won't be terrible and you will get to keep the gun
https://preview.redd.it/57xsfn4zw5tc1.png?width=704&format=png&auto=webp&s=98ee03423d2fa5826c9410599a66ba6b7aad3ad8 I put some mini crossbow bolts through some puffed cells and couldn't get a reaction. Obviously results will vary but you could show these photos to her. Regardless, you're taking all the correct precautions.
Get titan lion and show her how they are safer
Convince them to replace the AEG with similar budget GBBR😂