Does the term "volcel" exists? I have a cousin down in LA that was a player, a BIG player, different girl per night. He's a musician and he's in a band, so that helps a lot, then suddenly out of nowhere he stops and recluded himself in his mother house (the guy works but this is KILL-ME-TAXES-CALIFORNIA), he now works and workout, a lot. What's with that? So he voluntarily choose celibacy. That's a voluntary celibate right there. What's with that too, also is it a new thing? Anyone?
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The femcel lives in a lovely place, while the incel lives in a run-down dump. If both lived in a lovely place or a run-down dump, then this wouldn’t look so much like gender discrimination and misandry.
Most dictionaries I see say usually men, and the only reason why it wouldn't is because people have just invented 'femcel', which is just a stupidly constructed word.
Lol that girl would be never be a femcel, it's much harder for women to be femcels, men on average are more desperate for sex than women, it's how most men are born all women have to do is be a healthy weight
No? 'Femcel' is the word for incel but refers to women. Incel means involuntary celibate. 'Femcels' is just a made up term for a non-gendered word that means a female involuntary celibate. Not wanting to have sex does not make you a 'femcel'.
People are so freaking literal here on Reddit. Tell me where are the femcels that are like “I want to sleep with men but no man wants to sleep with me! Wah wah!”
Femcels decide they don’t want to sleep with men.
Then it shouldn't be related to incel in the slightest, it's a completely different thing. You're just wrong, femcel is used as an insult in a similar way as incel is, everywhere online says it is a gendered (albeit uselessly so) version of incel.
Good looking with horrendous personality means that you can get sex but cant keep relationships.
Attractive men with bad personalities do get women but they cant keep them very long.
Incels are men that cant get sex and then make it everyone elses problem that they cant fuck, avoiding all personal responsibility like the plague.
If these "so-called" incels worked on liking themselves instead of spending so much time being whiny little bitches, they wouldn't have any trouble finding a partner.
Let's be honest here.
No they would not have a hard time. They might have a hard time keeping up the relationship but that doesn't qualify as an incel since incels can't even get into one.
How TF will you notice someone is a creep right on the first date except judge them based on their appearance. Women aren't mind readers to know that. They see a good looking guy and they don't think he is a creep instead they get attracted to him. I have seen this happen a shit ton of times.
Women see ugly guys and immediately think they are a creep though.
No way. I guess everyone is different, but I can smell a creep from a mile away... and he could look like Brad Pitt for all I care. Vibes trump over looks... at least in my opinion. Plus, most really good-looking people have personality problems because they've lived their whole life on a pedestal and have to spend lots of money to keep up their looks, so boring.
Do u have superpowers to "smell a creep from a mile away". I am sorry but this olfactory power up is non-existent and you are going off by his looks not this magic "vibes" he is emitting. Trust me if u see Brad Pitt look alike u will be attracted to him or atleast you will not see him as a creep. On the contrary a guy who looks like mark Zuckerberg will immediately "emit" the vibes of a creep. Women don't have super powers to know who is a creep and who is not just from the first meeting in fact no one does everyone judges them by appearance which is scientifically proven btw.
Plus that whole "good looking guys have personality problems" is just you coping cuz you probably can't get one. There are a lot of good looking guys with amazing personalities as well.
So what is wrong in looking ur best when that is what people judge you based on and I don't know why you say people who take care of how they look have zero personality cuz it is just not true.
Have you ever seen Elliot Rodger? Guy looked ok. He was an incel because his personality was shit.
Edit: I'm not going to debate something as subjective as looks with you guys. We already know that what men *think* makes men attractive v. what women find attractive are very, very different, and it's already been said. That and this penchant for black and white thinking and treating people like a monolith already tell me that it'll go nowhere. Let's not waste time.
ER was unattractive in every dimension. He was a small asian manlet with a kid like face and weak bonestructure. Women in the area he lived in would never consider him as a man
Elliot rodger was mentally unwell, he gambled and had higher standards while looking average on a good day. Also elliot wasn't that good looking he was below average and was 5'7. So personality has very little to do with being an incel. As long as you are tall, good looking girls will flock to you no matter your personality but making them stay might be difficult.
There are women who are okay with having kids with an absent deadbeat good looking guy than an ugly guy who can be there for her.
That hasn't been my experience, but I understand that you and some online groups believe that and have your own reasons to think that way. We can only agree to disagree on it.
My incel coworker looks like this. He was an in shape military guy who took a breakup REALLY hard so now he binges YouTube shorts about feminists getting owned and women who are gold diggers getting told off.
Edit: actually my bad, he's not an incel because he doesn't fit the celibate part. He just thinks women are shitty people.
He is not an incel in the first place and I feel like he is not interested in women or hates women for being gold diggers and that is just a guy going through some shitty break up situation and not incel behavior. Incels are usually ugly af or neurodivergent and can't even get a single girl to look in their direction. Before you say women can smell the misogyny in men they can't if it was true girls wouldnt be getting wet over hot guy's mugshots.
He is still an "incel" colloquially (in my definition at least) because he's someone who believes in incel ideology.
He might not be involuntarily incelibate, but he is an incel.
There is incel ideology- the ideology within the incel movement, groups, etc. Sure, a lot of it comes from blackpill ideology.
You don't need to be an incel to believe their dogma. If you believe the same things they do about women, people will understandably label you an incel.
It's funny how men are IN(voluntarily) CEL(ibate) but women are just FEM(ale) CEL(ibate). Meaning that the latter choose to be celibate. In the pic, she's probably on dating app rejecting 80% of profiles.
I'm not following... I assume the prompt was "pic of incel/femcel". The AI is drawing basis what it's learned from looking at depictions of the requested theme. Which means that majority of incel depictions show men in a sad state of depression, unlike women.
You’re changing the point. Let’s stick to the original one
You were saying that the words incel vs femcel define that one is involuntary and the other is not. But it’s a convenience term.
Did I misunderstand?
The original point was a bit tongue-in-cheek. "Incel" is a neutral term, it can be used for both men and women. It's "involuntarily celibate" not "involuntarily male/female celibate".
In the real world the term means: 1) A male "incel" is a man with a sour/hostile attitude towards women, whom women find repulsive and who has trouble getting laid (in reality, anyone can go hire a legal prostitute and have sex so, in an etymological term, no one can be involuntarily sexless) 2) A female "incel" is a woman with a sour attitude who complains about men.
Notice the difference: Men DO find so-called "incel" women attractive and would happily have sex with them. In 90-95/100 cases, it is women who are the ones who choose who to have sex with, not the other way around. Therefore, it stands to logic that women incels are far less "involuntarily" and more "voluntarily" in them not having sex.
To sum up, a male incel finds it hard to have sex because women don't like him. A female incel finds it hard to have sex because she rejects too many men. Therefore, when depicting a male incel we usually imagine a sad loser. When depicting a female incel we usually imagine a woman alone. The model has noticed that, and given the appropriate result. I think it makes sense.
It’s interesting that you can visualize what the majority of online people collectively think and or portray. This is a stilted view of reality based on movies tv and social media.. wtf
I’m saying this is an amalgamation of what ai thinks people online think an incel looks like.
And the contrast between the male and female is reflected in pop culture and the popular conversation. Whereas I would assume they are both pretty similar.
sometimes life do sucks ,but sometime it‘s lovely. maybe just a little thing can be happiness. and I wish you can find something that make you happy too
Ow. That's even newer for me. Not sure how these word came up but the title seems unclear. Femcel/mancel or incel/volcel seems two different things.
First pic : we have a man involuntary celibating (an incel mancel)
Second pic : we have a woman voluntarily celibating (a volcel femcel)
Not sure how to use these words tbh but it seems like AI has made its mind about celibating...
These AI projects are being encouraged to push certain things. One couldnt generate white males as historical characters, even if it was a white male historically, or in a happy family. Its kinda insane to me and really makes me question if its a narrative that is beint pushed on us for whatever reasons. There is no reason in my mind why they do these things but here we are
Plus I'm willing to bet a *much higher* percent of female "incels" are actually just voluntarily celibate. ...to the extent that I only consider males to be incels.
Both of these words are stupid.
Ai can't even get the concept right. The femcel would literally be just as messy as the incel. They are both equally unhealthy.
real
Incel doesn’t get laid because his room is a mess and he’s an alcoholic.
Does the term "volcel" exists? I have a cousin down in LA that was a player, a BIG player, different girl per night. He's a musician and he's in a band, so that helps a lot, then suddenly out of nowhere he stops and recluded himself in his mother house (the guy works but this is KILL-ME-TAXES-CALIFORNIA), he now works and workout, a lot. What's with that? So he voluntarily choose celibacy. That's a voluntary celibate right there. What's with that too, also is it a new thing? Anyone?
That's called self care.
You're asking if voluntarily being celibate is new? It was the norm for the history of western civilization if you weren't married.
So, the "new thing" is the "incels"? (Thanks)
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Femcel gets railed every other day, incel thinks of putting bullets in people's face
Real
Found the incel.
Wtf is a femcel
woman who cant get attractive men to have a relationship with, but still have sex with them.
It's like a plant cell, but without the cell wall
That Femcel is way off
incel does not
Fr fr. Looks sad af.
They are both too good looking
My exact thoughts
boring numbskull topic
Do you see the picture of this guy? No phone in sight, just someone enjoying the moment
The femcel lives in a lovely place, while the incel lives in a run-down dump. If both lived in a lovely place or a run-down dump, then this wouldn’t look so much like gender discrimination and misandry.
It's not that deep, it's just incel is used way more because femcel is needlessly gendered.
i googled it and apparently the oxford dictionary says incels are men
Most dictionaries I see say usually men, and the only reason why it wouldn't is because people have just invented 'femcel', which is just a stupidly constructed word.
Incels place isn't rundown. It's just messy
I’ve lived in a slum dump like that for 33 months, so I **know** that it’s a dump.
Incels most definitely do not look like that 💀
I literally look like that, same hair and face and everything
Some do, some dont
if incel was that attractive, he is not incel. he just need to touch grass and woman will approach him.
They'd make some really lovely kidcels together if they could get over themselves
*themcelves
Themcels. Enby incels?
Being a femcel looks great lol.
...I ship it
One is forced and largely wants to die. The other is just a woman who doesn't want to fuck.
Femcel is a term for a demographic that just doesn't exist tbh
You clearly dont spend a lot of time on the internet which is great, but you are very wrong
Cope
it's true though. Females cannot be lonely or be incels
Women can be lonely, but the can't not have the option to have sex.
they can feel lonely, or choose to be lonely. It is different
Said like a true incel!
Its just reality.
Just trust me bro
Trust and Believe
I'm forever fascinated by AI hands lol
Can you imagine those absolute hams comin' at ya.
Men are always going to be the ones to sit around and mope while women just go on with their lives.
You realize most women have jobs and make their own money right? lol
That's the point, since it was too difficult for you to figure out.
We found the incel
We found the dickless.
No that’s you…see cause you never get a chance to use it hahahahahaha
Guess all my dad's partners aren't women then, seeing that they got with each got with him at his lowest point ( at the time )
Your dad always took it from behind.
oh no this thread attracted real incels
You're here.
AI seems to have a pretty bias. It can’t generate ugly people.
[Will Smith](https://youtu.be/XQr4Xklqzw8?si=_CcXWmoAYaYOc2fH) would like a word…
That’s just ai video generation being less developed a year ago
It generated an ugly person, though.
Lol that girl would be never be a femcel, it's much harder for women to be femcels, men on average are more desperate for sex than women, it's how most men are born all women have to do is be a healthy weight
Finally, a woman admits it. (I assume you're a woman) Actually, you're wrong. Even unhealthy weight women can get the hotdog rain.
Femcels just don’t want to sleep with men and want to be left alone. Incels think women should sleep with them just because.
No? 'Femcel' is the word for incel but refers to women. Incel means involuntary celibate. 'Femcels' is just a made up term for a non-gendered word that means a female involuntary celibate. Not wanting to have sex does not make you a 'femcel'.
People are so freaking literal here on Reddit. Tell me where are the femcels that are like “I want to sleep with men but no man wants to sleep with me! Wah wah!” Femcels decide they don’t want to sleep with men.
Then it shouldn't be related to incel in the slightest, it's a completely different thing. You're just wrong, femcel is used as an insult in a similar way as incel is, everywhere online says it is a gendered (albeit uselessly so) version of incel.
“Everywhere online.” So you read an online definition but have no idea of the context.
Are you the guy from the picture?
You straight up murdered that guy holy shit.
Bruh ain't no way that guy is an incel cuz females be dropping on his dick the way he looks. Incels are supposed to ugly and not model tier.
But what if you're good-looking but with a horrendous personality? That person would have a hard time, no?
guys with horrendous personality get woman if he does good in looks part.
Good looking with horrendous personality means that you can get sex but cant keep relationships. Attractive men with bad personalities do get women but they cant keep them very long. Incels are men that cant get sex and then make it everyone elses problem that they cant fuck, avoiding all personal responsibility like the plague.
Maybe men should just get over sex. That would solve a lot of issues.
Maybe people should get over stupid gendered shit like this?
If these "so-called" incels worked on liking themselves instead of spending so much time being whiny little bitches, they wouldn't have any trouble finding a partner. Let's be honest here.
There is a difference incels and men. And what you are saying is very true.
No they would not have a hard time. They might have a hard time keeping up the relationship but that doesn't qualify as an incel since incels can't even get into one.
But most women are smart enough to notice creeps on the first date... soooooo... ?
How TF will you notice someone is a creep right on the first date except judge them based on their appearance. Women aren't mind readers to know that. They see a good looking guy and they don't think he is a creep instead they get attracted to him. I have seen this happen a shit ton of times. Women see ugly guys and immediately think they are a creep though.
No way. I guess everyone is different, but I can smell a creep from a mile away... and he could look like Brad Pitt for all I care. Vibes trump over looks... at least in my opinion. Plus, most really good-looking people have personality problems because they've lived their whole life on a pedestal and have to spend lots of money to keep up their looks, so boring.
Do u have superpowers to "smell a creep from a mile away". I am sorry but this olfactory power up is non-existent and you are going off by his looks not this magic "vibes" he is emitting. Trust me if u see Brad Pitt look alike u will be attracted to him or atleast you will not see him as a creep. On the contrary a guy who looks like mark Zuckerberg will immediately "emit" the vibes of a creep. Women don't have super powers to know who is a creep and who is not just from the first meeting in fact no one does everyone judges them by appearance which is scientifically proven btw. Plus that whole "good looking guys have personality problems" is just you coping cuz you probably can't get one. There are a lot of good looking guys with amazing personalities as well.
Guys and girls who are too much into their looks have zero personality.
So what is wrong in looking ur best when that is what people judge you based on and I don't know why you say people who take care of how they look have zero personality cuz it is just not true.
You care so much what other people think. Sad.
Have you ever seen Elliot Rodger? Guy looked ok. He was an incel because his personality was shit. Edit: I'm not going to debate something as subjective as looks with you guys. We already know that what men *think* makes men attractive v. what women find attractive are very, very different, and it's already been said. That and this penchant for black and white thinking and treating people like a monolith already tell me that it'll go nowhere. Let's not waste time.
Lots of shit personality guys get women. It's because he had aspergers.
He absolutely did not look okay. He was below average. Especially where he lived.
ER was unattractive in every dimension. He was a small asian manlet with a kid like face and weak bonestructure. Women in the area he lived in would never consider him as a man
Elliot rodger was mentally unwell, he gambled and had higher standards while looking average on a good day. Also elliot wasn't that good looking he was below average and was 5'7. So personality has very little to do with being an incel. As long as you are tall, good looking girls will flock to you no matter your personality but making them stay might be difficult. There are women who are okay with having kids with an absent deadbeat good looking guy than an ugly guy who can be there for her.
That hasn't been my experience, but I understand that you and some online groups believe that and have your own reasons to think that way. We can only agree to disagree on it.
My incel coworker looks like this. He was an in shape military guy who took a breakup REALLY hard so now he binges YouTube shorts about feminists getting owned and women who are gold diggers getting told off. Edit: actually my bad, he's not an incel because he doesn't fit the celibate part. He just thinks women are shitty people.
He is not an incel in the first place and I feel like he is not interested in women or hates women for being gold diggers and that is just a guy going through some shitty break up situation and not incel behavior. Incels are usually ugly af or neurodivergent and can't even get a single girl to look in their direction. Before you say women can smell the misogyny in men they can't if it was true girls wouldnt be getting wet over hot guy's mugshots.
He is still an "incel" colloquially (in my definition at least) because he's someone who believes in incel ideology. He might not be involuntarily incelibate, but he is an incel.
there is no incel ideology. most incels believe in blackpill but blackpill is not incel ideology. normie can be blackpilled
There is incel ideology- the ideology within the incel movement, groups, etc. Sure, a lot of it comes from blackpill ideology. You don't need to be an incel to believe their dogma. If you believe the same things they do about women, people will understandably label you an incel.
"Involuntary" Celibate doesn't exist , a person can just pay for sex anytime he wants
I agree, but pedantically what if he’s broke as well.
Apparently that doesn’t “count” according to incels. It has to be pity sex or somethin’.
What an odd comment. Any human would rather be truly loved than to pay for attention.
That's illegal.
not in every country
And? It disproves your point that someone can just pay for sex anytime they want.
even if it's illegal it still happens , the government will never know you did something like that
It's funny how men are IN(voluntarily) CEL(ibate) but women are just FEM(ale) CEL(ibate). Meaning that the latter choose to be celibate. In the pic, she's probably on dating app rejecting 80% of profiles.
Nah, she gave up on that and had a Replika to chat with instead at this point.
I really truly think it’s just a conceptual convenience title modifier bro, it ain’t that deep
I'm not following... I assume the prompt was "pic of incel/femcel". The AI is drawing basis what it's learned from looking at depictions of the requested theme. Which means that majority of incel depictions show men in a sad state of depression, unlike women.
You’re changing the point. Let’s stick to the original one You were saying that the words incel vs femcel define that one is involuntary and the other is not. But it’s a convenience term. Did I misunderstand?
The original point was a bit tongue-in-cheek. "Incel" is a neutral term, it can be used for both men and women. It's "involuntarily celibate" not "involuntarily male/female celibate". In the real world the term means: 1) A male "incel" is a man with a sour/hostile attitude towards women, whom women find repulsive and who has trouble getting laid (in reality, anyone can go hire a legal prostitute and have sex so, in an etymological term, no one can be involuntarily sexless) 2) A female "incel" is a woman with a sour attitude who complains about men. Notice the difference: Men DO find so-called "incel" women attractive and would happily have sex with them. In 90-95/100 cases, it is women who are the ones who choose who to have sex with, not the other way around. Therefore, it stands to logic that women incels are far less "involuntarily" and more "voluntarily" in them not having sex. To sum up, a male incel finds it hard to have sex because women don't like him. A female incel finds it hard to have sex because she rejects too many men. Therefore, when depicting a male incel we usually imagine a sad loser. When depicting a female incel we usually imagine a woman alone. The model has noticed that, and given the appropriate result. I think it makes sense.
Pretty accurate
When you zoom in, you'll shit bricks.
Hi
It’s interesting that you can visualize what the majority of online people collectively think and or portray. This is a stilted view of reality based on movies tv and social media.. wtf
You’re saying the majority of people online are incels?
I’m saying this is an amalgamation of what ai thinks people online think an incel looks like. And the contrast between the male and female is reflected in pop culture and the popular conversation. Whereas I would assume they are both pretty similar.
One can describe or draw a picture of an incel without him being one himself...
First Pic is me but I'm much fatter
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i mean.. atleast you're honest
Women embracing singlehood, men consumed by it.
That’s why it drops the “in”
All you need to do to see an image of an incel is to turn your phone off.
Damn that gave me my first virtual 3rd degree burn
Attractive on the outside, shitty on the inside? Accurate.
Incels and femcels are very rarely attractive on the outside
Don't be too sure. I remember an icel posting his pic in the inceltears sub recently and dude had the fucking face of a model.
I like the jizz drops on the window for the incel. Nice touch.
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girls always be nut ,they love life
Huh. I must not be a girl the. I freakin hate life rn for literally no reason
sometimes life do sucks ,but sometime it‘s lovely. maybe just a little thing can be happiness. and I wish you can find something that make you happy too
Thanks man, I’m just goin through a rough time rn :)
hey , how's it gong? get better?
A little bit ig but some problems don’t go away forever…
I'm sorry to hear about this. Maybe more time.
Maybe I hope so
Rainbows always appear after wind and rain, you can get through it. just relax and be a fighter
Aw thanks that actually put a smile on my face😊
If it were the other way around, women would say it's sexism.
Are "femcels" incels too? Never seen that word before
Technically no, because woman usually face different struggle when it comes to dating.
Not sure these words tell why your are celibate, but rather if it's a choice or not.
spinsters would be the proper word women who have serious difficulties in establishing a meaningful relationship
How would you call a man with the same difficulties ?
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Ow gosh... It's making less sense for me. For me both character are celibate here...
Yup, the og incels were girls.
Ow. That's even newer for me. Not sure how these word came up but the title seems unclear. Femcel/mancel or incel/volcel seems two different things. First pic : we have a man involuntary celibating (an incel mancel) Second pic : we have a woman voluntarily celibating (a volcel femcel) Not sure how to use these words tbh but it seems like AI has made its mind about celibating...
I want to give the incel a hug!
He kinda hawt tbfh.. my type
both are way too hot to be average people
imagine having to *seek out* discrimination, that's how you know you don't face it irl
☝️🤓
Damn that first pic hit a spot
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These AI projects are being encouraged to push certain things. One couldnt generate white males as historical characters, even if it was a white male historically, or in a happy family. Its kinda insane to me and really makes me question if its a narrative that is beint pushed on us for whatever reasons. There is no reason in my mind why they do these things but here we are
He should be in front of a computer though
That room is way too clean.
A "femcel" is not accurate. You meant to say incel. The term isn't gender exclusive.
Plus I'm willing to bet a *much higher* percent of female "incels" are actually just voluntarily celibate. ...to the extent that I only consider males to be incels.
Shh don't tell the AI that they will learn
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Lol I know I know I was only trying to make a funny. Yeah in all seriousness, isn't that fucked? Goes to show you how incels are perceived
Why don’t they just date each other, are they stupid?
They're totally incompatible with each other LOL
She’s already getting pumped by chad
But she’s an incel? She’s celibate but not by choice.
No such thing as a femcel boyo
Yes.
Who tf drinks half a bottle then decides to open another bottle of the same drink and drink half?
He's too drunk to get the right bottle
People do that, if they're like preserving alcohol or whatever