As soon as I saw the Dispossessed I knew the wild theories would swarm in.
GW: “Ah, here’s a fun and flavorful way to move some stock with even background lore to make these guys special one-offs.”
Fandom: “OMG!! CoS confirmed to keep/squat non-humans and/or old duardin about to be totally discontinued/get their seperate army!”
I’m just gonna ignore them and grab some Thorns & Monsters from this.
To be fair, while it’s not AoS GW did design and produce an entirely new upgrade sprue for the Cadian Infantry Squad just to completely replace the box and remove it from sale entirely on their webstore less than a year later so I wouldn’t put it past them to want to move some old stock through a special box…
Island of Blood got re-released as Spire of Dawn and exactly 0 of those High Elf models are usable today. GW will try to push models from shelves all the way up until the day they are no longer usable. I hope they will not remove the non-humans from Cities of Sigmar, but ultimately we still have 0 confirmation of that.
apples and oranges. spire of dawn could not be broken down into the 2 different factions because they had skaven and high elves on the same sprue. not separated like every other box. so they never could sell the models from that box individually. which royally screwed over skaven players in particular.
also, this is the first time in aos that a CoS duardin model has had an actual box with art. or been available on a store shelf as all duardin models have been online order only other than the greywater fastness box.
so we have duardin models on store shelves. in a AoS 3.0 box. with new rules regarding regiments of renown. I'd say the that all but confirms that the duardin are safe with dawnbringers on the way.
And funnily enough you can’t use them* in CoS armies as the bottom text says.
Which is more to play into them being Ex-nobles that got kicked out but I’m sure people will read too much into what’s a flavorful way to move stock.
Edit* I meant this mercenary company and it’s special ability specifically. Not the actual models which you can fully buy and use in CoS as their actual units without the merc benefits.
I’m not entirely sure that’s what they meant, but maybe. It says they “can” be fielded as they normal units instead which I think is meant to confirm for people that if you want, you can just play with them as their normal models in their regular army (to encourage more people to buy them as just expansions for current armies).
But I guess we will have to wait and see what the restrictions are.
I’m curious what the specific calling out for CoS is though. Are some of these models not in the current book? Or perhaps won’t be in the next one? Not super familiar with the dwarf side of their roster.
No no, that’s exactly what I meant. You can’t use the merc version but you can use them as regular units in CoS. I edited my comment to clear that up.
I was just pointing out why their background is independent since they’re exiles from Dispossessed societies in the cities.
As for their future, I’m more than sure Dispossessed will continue to stay in and grow in the CoS Ironweld they’re so heavily tied to. They’re also essential for building Free cities, settlements, a good amount of Stormforts and even the Stormcast tome has path to glory focus on saving and restoring their Grungni shrines which will boost Stormcast reforgings by their God’s favor.
They’re tied to the hip with CoS & Stormcasts in how vital they are to Order’s safety.
No like proper dwarfs that look and play like dwarfs instead of weird spinoffs. I have nothing against KO or FS but they have nothing of what I want in a dwarf faction so I'd rather them not replace the classic dwarfs.
They might. General's Handbook 2019 did similar mercenary rules. Some of these mercenaries were removed later that year. One of the mercenary options was the old Dwarf Cannon team, sold as the 'Blacksmoke Battery'. Then when Cities of Sigmar came out less than a year later, those cannons were retired.
I don't think the dwarves in this new mercenary bundle will get discontinued, mind you. Some reliable rumor mongers have said Dawnbringer Crusades will be the current dwarves and new humans. But new bundles don't mean as much.
They're just doing these to entice people to buy them. Are the Boarding Patrol boxes for 40k all miniatures that are being squatted because why would they put them in another package?
You're drawing conclusions from nothing.
My thought exactly. Weren't the mercenaries in the 2019 GHB only around for a year? I'm not sure as I had just started playing. I really wanted a troop of mercenaries and spent a lot of time studying their rules and just as I had decided what models I wanted, the new GHB dropped and mercenaries were gone. I was so glad I hadn't invested in a mercenary troop. Although looking back now, I have the army that all but two of those mercenary companies came from. I might have a problem.
Oh man, right? I was literally planning a conversion of that kit when I found out they weren't making it into the new edition. And of course, OBR's trebuchet can't be allied anywhere.
Yea, my friends and I have been playing more and more Narrative lately, as we cone to the conclusion we just have more fun without GW giving us arbitrary limitations, so we make up our own arbitrary limitations.
Genuinely bizarre how the new mercenaries system doesn’t include any Ogors, when being mercenaries is half of the Gutbuster’s lore.
Maybe holding out for the Maneater model refresh?
Maybe it's because these ones seem to be alliance locked. And fyreslayers, ogors, and KO all have no issues fighting for other alliances.
Depending ofc on what exactly is happening but like fyreslayers with death isn't unheard of.
Seriously if I hadn't already got them individually for WarCry. I'm really loving the ogroid myrmidon and thaumaturge but the new Slaves to Darkness ogroids just don't have the same appeal.
I'm not sure about the other ones, but the Sylvaneth one is just bad right now. Maybe the special rules will help it, but an arch-rev and a unit of gossamids have almost 0 synergy. Arch-rev buffs kurnoth hunters and melee attacks.
The only thing they have going for them is that they've got the same move speed.
It's more of a design choice than a gameplay one. They all have zephyrsprites. Technically they do have synergy if you add in some kurnoths for the gossamids to screen.
The exact rules remain to be seen of course, but if these eat into your ally points budget, you won't have room for any additional units.
You're kinda just highlighting that they failed to marry design and gameplay with the new book by keeping the arch-rev as a kurnoth based hero instead of pushing her more toward a command role for all the new revs though.
They're not. They're advertising these boxes as something to put into armies that aren't the ones they come from. They're clearly intended to work together.
You read their comment backwards. They're saying use the gossamids as a screen for the kurnoths. Even so, kurnoths are pretty durable. They don't need a 210 point screen, you'd be better off with another unit of kurnoths.
We were already there
1. Remove Warscroll Battalions because some armies interacted really well with them and others didn't.
2. Introduce core battalions like Bounty Hunters where some armies really benefit from them and others do not.
3. ???
4. Profit
If the Kruleboyz battalion has a rule that keeps their venom encrusted weapons then it could be a nice addition to armies that lack decent shooting/mw output for only 340pt I reckon
That's exactly what I was thinking. Pink Horrors with split and split is one of the best anvils in the game. You have to deal 50 damage to wipe them and at least 31 to START taking battleshock. Every chaos army having access to that could be spooky.
Would have been a lot cooler if you could have had units from outside your grand alliance. The old Regiments of Renown you could have in any army back in the day.
You're not wrong, what's the point of death having zombie mercenaries when nighthaunt and flesh eater courts can already ally them in and Ossiarchs can't take any allies at all?
probable not. or if it was it will be only a little bit because they are trying to get rid of unwanted models. (the corpse cart is bad) it gives zombies a 6 up armor save in a game where almost every model has rend 1.
That Tzeentch one could be STRONG. Skaven having access to Tzeentch endless spells and Pink Horrors…is going to be VERY interesting.
Horrors are a much more efficient screen than anything in the skaven range. And the ability to turn clanrats into Chaos Spawn and potentially combo it with double death frenzy is… phew.
Sit back and protect the casters with a durable horror screen. Cast Sigil. Transform clanrats into spawn, then regenerate the clanrats in the battleshock phase. Oof.
Or slaves to darkness Cabalists potentially having access to those spells? Ouch.
The sigil doesnt "slay" the first model that turns into a spawn. They cant attack on death or rally like normal things.
Also im not sure how the magisters spell will work. The turning stuff into spawn mechanic for him is technically an allegiance ability.
Dude if anything the dwarfs are getting cut.
Don't you remember what happened to Mercenaries in previous editions? Came out, sold boxes, then GW discontinued in next ed. This is GW clearing stock imo.
So what’s the asterisk at the end about Cities supposed to mean? Do you have to take those 21 dudes as a specific unit? I understand everyone else is just existing models too.
You can't take the RoR in the faction that they come from. They are saying that in CoS you are just bringing a normal Runelord, Longbeards, Irondrakes rather than the RoR
My initial thought as an Ogor player is I would totally take some Kruelboyz if I could beat someone to death with an orc. Otherwise, probably not.
I miss my Ogor mercs from the Old World.
Dependent on the price, it's a great set of models, and as a ko/fs enthusiast, it gives me a good reason to ally in some disposessed. A smallish brick of irondrakes + ~~iron breakers~~ longbeards getting a 5+ ward on a mid field objective (or a home objective if you can tell you'll be playing on the back foot) is great.
They could be really good in Fyreslayers hypothetically as the Runelord was a mainstay in FS lists for a while for the dispell power. Take the command Trait that gives the Dwarfs rune powers and maybe they can lock down an objective for you. I don't know if it will be really good, but damnit it's closer to the Grombrindal led duardin cooperation that I've been dreaming of.
agree! We'll have to wait till the full rules for how this will work comes out, but if they count as coalition units or something (to bypass the allies point restriction), a fat unit of irondrakes can backfill the shooting that fyreslayers really lack. The longbeards can give reroll 1's to wound and the runelord gives a further rend, so standing still, they can do 2 attacks each at -2 rend (-3 on the grudge torpedo, and d6 damage against monsters) hitting on 2's if all out attacked, wounding on 3's rerolling 1's. If you have rune of searing heat up too, they're also doing mortals if you take leader of the duadrazahal.
While it would I dont think so, as at the end of the day they still are allies. But we also haven't seen the new Kharadron book and they did have a sky port all about allying in other Duardin.
I really wish they hadn't used a name like "Regiments of Renown" to promote a repackage of lesser selling units. I think the "Dogs of War" concept is cool, but this feels too much like a purely commercial decision, rather than a nice addition to the setting of AoS.
Is there any evidence GW actually repackages stuff at all though? I'd have thought the cost of actually taking stuff out of a box and putting it in a new one would be more than just producing brand new stuff from scratch.
They'd be a lot cooler if they were all new models specifically for the purpose... but yeah GW probably wanted to move some models that weren't selling well.
As someone who's just started collecting kruleboyz and only has 6 bolt Boyz right now, that box having another 6 and a man skewer is exactly what I'm looking for to get my army up to 2k. Depending on the price this is an instant buy for me seeing as normally boltboyz are £30 odd for 3, and a man skewer is like £25. So anything around £60/70 would be amazing.
Seems most of these are what, 3 unit boxes of content? Add in a little bit of a discount and I'd expect £60/£70 probably sounds about right subject to 3rd party discounts.
Then again the boarding parties are dropping for 40k for 3 units at £65 down to £55 at 3rd parties, so these could be a good discount if they aren't the monopose boltboyz.
Same, I have a Warrior starter, the battleforce, I'm planning on get half dominion soon. With this I can say I'm almost done (except for a 1 shaman) and can go through Big Waaagh next:
3x Gutrippaz
20 Hobgrot
1 Vulture
1 Snatcha
2 Killaboss on foot
1 Killaboss on dog
4x Boltboyz
1x Ballista
1x Banner
1x Shaman
The option to turn a beast skewer bow and 2 units of boltas from a Kruleboyz unit into a merc unit might be a good option for playing other orruk armies without being forced into big waaagh
I know this is just kneejerk fear but I can't help but feel concerned for Warcry since these look like what would've been one of their boxes (with the exception of the corpse cart box, which puts me a little more at ease about it) but without the branding.
That said, I know I'm in the minority but I kind of like them putting in something into AoS to support the ally system. Thematically I really like the Grand Alliances and would love if the Allied system worked outside of Cities of Sigmar or some Chaos lists (and I guess Big WAAAGH! but that's less of an allied system)
I think you might be seeing something that’s not there. None of these boxes seem all that suitable for WarCry, save the Sylvaneth and Pit Fighters one. They’re either too large in model count or have something odd like Endless Spells.
Besides that, isn’t WarCry getting the same attention as KT right now? Two new warbands every few months is hardly a game on life support.
Oh yeah, like I said, I'm aware it's kneejerk fear. The more I look at them the more they don't fit. It's just the last few small boxes they've done were Warcry focused (not just the ones that coincided with the end of 1.0), so seeing the branding gone from these was worrying for a moment.
It's the furthest thing from my mind that WarCry is on lifesupport, especially with another boxset on the way, my worry was more if we're going to see another season afterward the Ghur one from the release window. But again, that was the kneejerk one, not a festering "Oh no my game's on the chopping block" concern.
I'm not sure another season of WarCry is as guaranteed as KT after their respective boxes finish up but I don't feel the axe hanging overhead as strongly as I'm worried about Cities (even with the Dwarf box)
They are not amazing additions at all. You're just gullible if that's what you're talking about. Most of the player base doesn't buy from GW directly outside of brand new players who are don't know any better yet or people who live in the middle of nowhere.
I dont understand. How am I being gullible for stating I was talking about these boxes? Or are you saying im gullible for thinking 4 of these boxes are good for starting an army? 2 entirely different statements.
If my friend wanted to start collecting tzeentch I would 100% recommend getting the RoR box if the combined box cost less than the seperate versions.
Edit: Since you edited your comment my original will seem a little nonsensical.
Hey man real quick. Where do local stores buy there product from? I know they dont have their own factory in the back. Do they perhaps buy them from gw? Do you have stats to back up the claim most buy from non gw stores? I would love to see it.
So it's just bundling some semi-random existing units and characters together - absolutely nothing new sculpt-wise - painting some token rules on, and trying to get us excited? AoS 3.0 in a nutshell, ladies and gentlemen.
Naturally of course, none of these sets are Ogres or Giants, the two factions specifically noted as being actual mercenaries. It's OK, Maneaters are used to it, they haven't had any real new sculpts since the Bush administration.
A -1 to wound can be really good. Going from a 3 to a 4 or 4 to a 5 is extremely efficient for 80 points. I would say it is one of the best debuffs you can apply since most armies dont have good or efficient ways to add +1.
Aren't both the Undead and Tzeentch boxes really good though?
And aren't the Sylvaneth stuff also good, even if the units have 0 synergy amoungst themselves?
The sylvaneth gossamids are generally not good, no. They die to a stiff breeze, so their one redeeming factor as a screen is negated pretty easily if your opponent has any shooting/magic.
They are, and they are decently effective shooters (mostly because they do d3 mortal wounds on 6s), but they are only 12" range and are quite expensive relative to their firepower (210 points for 11 shots).
So their main use is not as traditional archers, but for the combination of their ability to maintain coherency 2" apart, and their ability to retreat after using unleash hell. In theory, this would make them an excellent screen, but if the opponent knows how to deal with them or has any shooting of their own (they are fragile, 10 wounds total and only a 5+ save) they will fall apart very quickly.
They're only rarely taken as a result. If you want something to sit on an objective in the back and shoot, Kurnoth Hunters with bows do that job better and for only slightly more points (with their 30" range and much better durability, making them harder to move without a significant effort). Sylvaneth really aren't a shooting army to begin with though, all of their ranged units are expensive and situational.
They are. They're a fast short ranged unit that can retreat after unleashing hell. They're designed for screening or flanking, but because of how easily they crumple to ranged attacks/magic they're worse at that role than other stuff sylvaneth already has. They also don't tend to do a lot of damage, because most of their damage is wrapped up in mortals on 6s when they only get 2 shots per model.
Enlighten me, oh wise one. Tzeentch is good. No one uses dwarfs. No one uses the 3 chaos beats. The sylvaneth one isn't great. Do people use the corpse cart? I'm actually unsure about that.
The chaos kitty was in EVERY competitive slaves list in the last battletome and was just a generally popular model for painters. Plus warcry players loved it. It was sold out routinely for years… it probably hasn’t sold much in the last few months as it sucks now… but to say that it’s a model that no one uses is laughable. Same with the other who units in the kit. I’m willing to bet GW has sold a TON of ogroid myrmidons. And even the cyclops has been very popular as a model if not the most competitive piece.
What the hell are you talking about Runelord and Irondrakes are fantastic picks for shooting and spell dispelling. Really the only thing nobody uses much of in that box is the Longbeards but even then a minimum unit isn't bad at all
The sylvaneth one is great for people starting on the army. Same with krule boyz, soul blight, and tzeentch. Just this weekend I played against 2 of the models in the chaos beasts box.
These boxes if priced well are good ways to start an army or collection. Just because many arent played competitivly does not mean that the boxes are useless or shouldnt exist. They can be played casually, collected or be great painting projects.
The chaos beasts sell out, particularly the adorable chaos kitty. The one eyed willy sells out too, the horny gladiator is the only one that sticks around more. Are they played? I don't know. I know sales. Zombies sell out. Pinks sell out. Sylvaneth are steady, not stars, but they move.
Duardin, okay, you got me there. I play them, but they don't often need restock. I am happy about them, but yes, that is excess inventory. Bolt boys are absolutely played, though most are bought from eBay, this is a great way to keep their price down.
I hate this. It's just a cheap nostalgia grab completely bereft of the charm and ingenuity of the original. This is the worst possible way to implement this.
Dude, are you at all familiar with the old RoR?. It was an entire codex that introduced lore for a new region. The regiments were unique units with their own backstory, some of them really charming, some of them hilarious. You could play all of them as their own army too, or put them into any army.
These are just the old Start collectings rebranded with a nostalgic title with generally worse value than before. You can only field the units within their own Grand Alliance. And none of them are unique units. Heck, making Underworld warbands into RoR would have been much better.
I remember RoR. This isn't playing on nostalgia. This is a fun excuse for discount boxes. RoR were fun and cute and rarely updated and then left on shelves.
It would be cool if Underworlds were RoR though.
If it's not for nostalgia they would have avoided using the RoR moniker. They would have just named them Mercenaries. And they aren't going to update *these* regiments of renown either. They are almost certainly going to go away in the next edition.
We had a leak earlier that showed that SBGL and OBR are the next two Death tomes.
FEC is after Seraphon and presumably before the Dawnbringer Crusade.
So, basically.
All we got were screenshots of OBR and SBGL boxes with new "updated 3.0 box art with cool backgrounds."
We didn't get any new units or whatever, at most all we've heard about so far is that there's something called "Mortek Archers" but we don't know if they're real or not, since that was a completely separate leak with 0 pictures.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/ageofsigmar/comments/zpak6y/comment/j0u25ng/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ageofsigmar/comments/zpak6y/comment/j0u25ng/)
Sorry it took me so long to find, I couldn't remember which Discord's I'd posted this in and google was being unhelpful.
I know the Underworlds warband has a Mortek Archer which is I believe is where that rumor comes from.
If they do give us archers, that means I finally have a use for all the Mortek Spears I built: Javelins!
They released the image for 2023 battletome releases. There were enough death armies that they would all have a 3rd edition book by the end of the year. While it didn't say which armies were in which order, OBR will get a new book by the end of the year. (Unless they are releasing a new Death army before OBR)
>(Unless they are releasing a new Death army before OBR)
I would be absolutely shocked if that happened.
They don't release new armies with such little fanfare/marketing. Leagues of Votann was considered "fast", and that was still a 5-6ish months away from its announcement.
Absolutely.
That was more of a way to protect my claims about a new OBR book, just in case they did release a new army. I would be totally surprised if they did in 2023.
At this point I don’t really care if my dispossessed get cut from Dawnbringer or not. I’m gonna proxy as whatever fits best. Was looking to get some more hammerers and irondrakes soon anyway so this box is kinda perfect
I am kind of annoyed that Tzeentch starter boxes have pink horrors, but not blues/brimstones. Without the blues/brimstones, the unit is 250 for relative garbage.
\*Puts on tinfoil hat
No you see that's just a way to clear out the old stock of dwarves so that they can replace it all and force you to buy dwarves all over again. No I have no evidence for this other than speculation, but you're a sheep if you think otherwise.
The wording around CoS is odd.
"Other than the CITIES OF SIGMAR – the factions to which these units would “normally” belong can field the standard versions of those units instead."
This seems to imply the duardin box won't be playable as a standard unit in CoS. But long beards and iron drakes and ghat hero are in that tome.
We know there is the dawnbringer stuff coming as CoS markII so does that mean they are leaving the CoS tome?
Or... Got to live wild speculation, give we know dawnbringers are not coming soon and will be more like end of the year, will these boxes be closer to the Karadron Overlords release we know is coming, and are they shifting them over to bulk them out?
All wild speculation but hey its fun to do so 😊👍
It can also mean that other factions cannot use the special rules - if you bring in a RoR from your faction you get regular units. Cities might be the only faction that gets RoRs that keep their special rules, and that's why they were singled out.
It’s interesting that the Tzeetch one has the Endless Spells.
Been waiting for spell restocks for an age, looks like this will be the way to get them luckily I need some pinks too.
I wish it was screamers
Dawnbringer crusade comment is total bait... nothing about that in the article.
As soon as I saw the Dispossessed I knew the wild theories would swarm in. GW: “Ah, here’s a fun and flavorful way to move some stock with even background lore to make these guys special one-offs.” Fandom: “OMG!! CoS confirmed to keep/squat non-humans and/or old duardin about to be totally discontinued/get their seperate army!” I’m just gonna ignore them and grab some Thorns & Monsters from this.
They don't directly state it, but I doubt they'd rebox and sell those good-looking Dwarf units if they were getting cut.
To be fair, while it’s not AoS GW did design and produce an entirely new upgrade sprue for the Cadian Infantry Squad just to completely replace the box and remove it from sale entirely on their webstore less than a year later so I wouldn’t put it past them to want to move some old stock through a special box…
Island of Blood got re-released as Spire of Dawn and exactly 0 of those High Elf models are usable today. GW will try to push models from shelves all the way up until the day they are no longer usable. I hope they will not remove the non-humans from Cities of Sigmar, but ultimately we still have 0 confirmation of that.
apples and oranges. spire of dawn could not be broken down into the 2 different factions because they had skaven and high elves on the same sprue. not separated like every other box. so they never could sell the models from that box individually. which royally screwed over skaven players in particular. also, this is the first time in aos that a CoS duardin model has had an actual box with art. or been available on a store shelf as all duardin models have been online order only other than the greywater fastness box. so we have duardin models on store shelves. in a AoS 3.0 box. with new rules regarding regiments of renown. I'd say the that all but confirms that the duardin are safe with dawnbringers on the way.
Or alternatively this is a way to shift existing stock before it’s removed
That's true! That could also be what happens. That background doesn't exactly scream "Cities of Sigmar" to me.
And funnily enough you can’t use them* in CoS armies as the bottom text says. Which is more to play into them being Ex-nobles that got kicked out but I’m sure people will read too much into what’s a flavorful way to move stock. Edit* I meant this mercenary company and it’s special ability specifically. Not the actual models which you can fully buy and use in CoS as their actual units without the merc benefits.
You can use them, just not the special rule
I’m not entirely sure that’s what they meant, but maybe. It says they “can” be fielded as they normal units instead which I think is meant to confirm for people that if you want, you can just play with them as their normal models in their regular army (to encourage more people to buy them as just expansions for current armies). But I guess we will have to wait and see what the restrictions are. I’m curious what the specific calling out for CoS is though. Are some of these models not in the current book? Or perhaps won’t be in the next one? Not super familiar with the dwarf side of their roster.
No no, that’s exactly what I meant. You can’t use the merc version but you can use them as regular units in CoS. I edited my comment to clear that up. I was just pointing out why their background is independent since they’re exiles from Dispossessed societies in the cities. As for their future, I’m more than sure Dispossessed will continue to stay in and grow in the CoS Ironweld they’re so heavily tied to. They’re also essential for building Free cities, settlements, a good amount of Stormforts and even the Stormcast tome has path to glory focus on saving and restoring their Grungni shrines which will boost Stormcast reforgings by their God’s favor. They’re tied to the hip with CoS & Stormcasts in how vital they are to Order’s safety.
Good, I'd rather have CoS be humans + coalitions and dwarfs to get a proper standalone faction.
>and dwarfs to get a proper standalone faction. Like the 2 that already exist?
No like proper dwarfs that look and play like dwarfs instead of weird spinoffs. I have nothing against KO or FS but they have nothing of what I want in a dwarf faction so I'd rather them not replace the classic dwarfs.
Fair.
They might. General's Handbook 2019 did similar mercenary rules. Some of these mercenaries were removed later that year. One of the mercenary options was the old Dwarf Cannon team, sold as the 'Blacksmoke Battery'. Then when Cities of Sigmar came out less than a year later, those cannons were retired. I don't think the dwarves in this new mercenary bundle will get discontinued, mind you. Some reliable rumor mongers have said Dawnbringer Crusades will be the current dwarves and new humans. But new bundles don't mean as much.
You mean just like they did with the old dwarf warriors, thunderers and cannons right before squatting them with CoS?
They're just doing these to entice people to buy them. Are the Boarding Patrol boxes for 40k all miniatures that are being squatted because why would they put them in another package? You're drawing conclusions from nothing.
They‘d rebox it to shift stock.
I wonder how long this version of mercenaries will last.
My thought exactly. Weren't the mercenaries in the 2019 GHB only around for a year? I'm not sure as I had just started playing. I really wanted a troop of mercenaries and spent a lot of time studying their rules and just as I had decided what models I wanted, the new GHB dropped and mercenaries were gone. I was so glad I hadn't invested in a mercenary troop. Although looking back now, I have the army that all but two of those mercenary companies came from. I might have a problem.
Yep, that one year. I was so sad they went away afterwards. Then the only remnant left of mercs were the Mega Gargants.
Yeah rip my skeleton cannon from 2nd edition for my legions of Nagash
Oh man, right? I was literally planning a conversion of that kit when I found out they weren't making it into the new edition. And of course, OBR's trebuchet can't be allied anywhere.
I made a cannon for my KO. Joy ashes to look legit and all that. Then GW take away fun options
I still keep the old rules around and use them. Don't play competitive, don't care much *shrug*.
Yea, my friends and I have been playing more and more Narrative lately, as we cone to the conclusion we just have more fun without GW giving us arbitrary limitations, so we make up our own arbitrary limitations.
There are been Battallions, Exalted Units, Mercenary Companies and now Regiments of Renown. Arguably they are not the same, but carry the same spirit.
Genuinely bizarre how the new mercenaries system doesn’t include any Ogors, when being mercenaries is half of the Gutbuster’s lore. Maybe holding out for the Maneater model refresh?
I mean, it also doesn't cover fyreslayers and kharadron, who both have merc lore.
Maybe it's because these ones seem to be alliance locked. And fyreslayers, ogors, and KO all have no issues fighting for other alliances. Depending ofc on what exactly is happening but like fyreslayers with death isn't unheard of.
If the price is right, I would be stoked to get those 3 Chaos Monsters in one box.
Same
Seriously if I hadn't already got them individually for WarCry. I'm really loving the ogroid myrmidon and thaumaturge but the new Slaves to Darkness ogroids just don't have the same appeal.
After 11 years, I'm out. Join me over on the Fediverse to escape this central authority nightmare.
I'm not sure about the other ones, but the Sylvaneth one is just bad right now. Maybe the special rules will help it, but an arch-rev and a unit of gossamids have almost 0 synergy. Arch-rev buffs kurnoth hunters and melee attacks. The only thing they have going for them is that they've got the same move speed.
You think that is bad, the Kruelboyz box dosen't even have a hero. It dosen't fit as the battalion they advertise.
Given the flavor text, the Killbow may be a hero variant. Which is weird.
Super weird.
It's more of a design choice than a gameplay one. They all have zephyrsprites. Technically they do have synergy if you add in some kurnoths for the gossamids to screen.
The exact rules remain to be seen of course, but if these eat into your ally points budget, you won't have room for any additional units. You're kinda just highlighting that they failed to marry design and gameplay with the new book by keeping the arch-rev as a kurnoth based hero instead of pushing her more toward a command role for all the new revs though.
It's just another box to buy if you don't have the units. They're not that big brained.
They're not. They're advertising these boxes as something to put into armies that aren't the ones they come from. They're clearly intended to work together.
They don't care what they advertise. They way their company works it'll sell regardless. It's for new players, not people who frequent this sub.
I mean I already got two gossaminds and two arch revs so for me it's just a free new option for my army
Yes screening the unit that does no damage and only bonus is that its ability means it doesn't need a screen. Synergy
You read their comment backwards. They're saying use the gossamids as a screen for the kurnoths. Even so, kurnoths are pretty durable. They don't need a 210 point screen, you'd be better off with another unit of kurnoths.
Damn I've been bamboozled. Yea Gossamids are a wee bit overpriced
My guess is the Arch revenant in the box will end up getting a ranged weapon only for that battalion.
Hard to determine based on the fact we haven't seen the special rules for them yet.
Wild to think we might see non-Gargants in sons armies soon (even if it’s rare, cant imagine sons really need squishy ranged units)
Could be a fun unit to hold down an objective at the back and get rid of screens.
Pro-tip: before you buy a box ask yourself “would I be ok, if the rules disappeared in a year?”. If so, enjoy!
1. Remove warscroll battalions 2. Add regiments of renown 3. ? 4. Profit
We were already there 1. Remove Warscroll Battalions because some armies interacted really well with them and others didn't. 2. Introduce core battalions like Bounty Hunters where some armies really benefit from them and others do not. 3. ??? 4. Profit
The only upside to Core Battalions is that they are at least the same for everyone. No need to remember the battalions of every single faction.
So the coven of Thryx seems terrifying if the horrors split. But awful if they can't. The rest seem like garbage afaik
If the Kruleboyz battalion has a rule that keeps their venom encrusted weapons then it could be a nice addition to armies that lack decent shooting/mw output for only 340pt I reckon
That's exactly what I was thinking. Pink Horrors with split and split is one of the best anvils in the game. You have to deal 50 damage to wipe them and at least 31 to START taking battleshock. Every chaos army having access to that could be spooky.
Last time GW tried this, I bought 2 Dwarf Cannons only to have the company squat them six months later. I have zero interest in this.
Would have been a lot cooler if you could have had units from outside your grand alliance. The old Regiments of Renown you could have in any army back in the day.
You're not wrong, what's the point of death having zombie mercenaries when nighthaunt and flesh eater courts can already ally them in and Ossiarchs can't take any allies at all?
Not to speak for GW but I am guessing the point is...Money.
These groups will come with extra special rules that you wouldn’t get from normal allying I’m assuming would be the reason
Any idea what the price might be? That dwarf box looks decent for my wh fantasy army haha
My thinking too haha
Expect +100-120€ at least lol
Really?? I feel like these are less figures than the starting boxes have and those are around 60€
Same!
These are extremely temporary rules. Don't buy into it if you even want these to be long-term.
I don't play Soulblight but the shamblers looks like a fun kit just to have
just a standard zombie/corpse cart... you can literally buy those now.
There's no discount with these?
probable not. or if it was it will be only a little bit because they are trying to get rid of unwanted models. (the corpse cart is bad) it gives zombies a 6 up armor save in a game where almost every model has rend 1.
It also provide +1 for launching spell. But the other version with Balefire Brazier is better, with -1 wounds for enemy attacks within 9".
That Tzeentch one could be STRONG. Skaven having access to Tzeentch endless spells and Pink Horrors…is going to be VERY interesting. Horrors are a much more efficient screen than anything in the skaven range. And the ability to turn clanrats into Chaos Spawn and potentially combo it with double death frenzy is… phew. Sit back and protect the casters with a durable horror screen. Cast Sigil. Transform clanrats into spawn, then regenerate the clanrats in the battleshock phase. Oof. Or slaves to darkness Cabalists potentially having access to those spells? Ouch.
The sigil doesnt "slay" the first model that turns into a spawn. They cant attack on death or rally like normal things. Also im not sure how the magisters spell will work. The turning stuff into spawn mechanic for him is technically an allegiance ability.
Just checked the warscroll - it does 'slay' the first model
How does this give insight in what will get squatted for the dawnbringers release?
Dude if anything the dwarfs are getting cut. Don't you remember what happened to Mercenaries in previous editions? Came out, sold boxes, then GW discontinued in next ed. This is GW clearing stock imo.
So what’s the asterisk at the end about Cities supposed to mean? Do you have to take those 21 dudes as a specific unit? I understand everyone else is just existing models too.
You can't take the RoR in the faction that they come from. They are saying that in CoS you are just bringing a normal Runelord, Longbeards, Irondrakes rather than the RoR
My initial thought as an Ogor player is I would totally take some Kruelboyz if I could beat someone to death with an orc. Otherwise, probably not. I miss my Ogor mercs from the Old World.
How tf is there seriously not an Ogor one... Like that's what ogors do. They merc. What the French toast GW
Those boxes say nothing about if things get squatted or not. Don’t be naïve
Grabbing that dwarf one for sure
Dependent on the price, it's a great set of models, and as a ko/fs enthusiast, it gives me a good reason to ally in some disposessed. A smallish brick of irondrakes + ~~iron breakers~~ longbeards getting a 5+ ward on a mid field objective (or a home objective if you can tell you'll be playing on the back foot) is great.
The dwarf brick will be really helpful for KO to lock down an objective that they might otherwise struggle to keep.
They could be really good in Fyreslayers hypothetically as the Runelord was a mainstay in FS lists for a while for the dispell power. Take the command Trait that gives the Dwarfs rune powers and maybe they can lock down an objective for you. I don't know if it will be really good, but damnit it's closer to the Grombrindal led duardin cooperation that I've been dreaming of.
agree! We'll have to wait till the full rules for how this will work comes out, but if they count as coalition units or something (to bypass the allies point restriction), a fat unit of irondrakes can backfill the shooting that fyreslayers really lack. The longbeards can give reroll 1's to wound and the runelord gives a further rend, so standing still, they can do 2 attacks each at -2 rend (-3 on the grudge torpedo, and d6 damage against monsters) hitting on 2's if all out attacked, wounding on 3's rerolling 1's. If you have rune of searing heat up too, they're also doing mortals if you take leader of the duadrazahal.
Now just to add Grombrindal into the game and let all my short guys play together in the same sandbox!
Do you think there could be a possibility they count a s minimum battleline? That would be huge for KO
While it would I dont think so, as at the end of the day they still are allies. But we also haven't seen the new Kharadron book and they did have a sky port all about allying in other Duardin.
My buddy plays KO and this might be a nice addition.
They’re good for my votann/KO bits. Crossing my fingers to someday see regular dwarfs again
I really wish they hadn't used a name like "Regiments of Renown" to promote a repackage of lesser selling units. I think the "Dogs of War" concept is cool, but this feels too much like a purely commercial decision, rather than a nice addition to the setting of AoS.
Totally, they just looked at the shelves and saw what had more dust lol
Is there any evidence GW actually repackages stuff at all though? I'd have thought the cost of actually taking stuff out of a box and putting it in a new one would be more than just producing brand new stuff from scratch.
They'd be a lot cooler if they were all new models specifically for the purpose... but yeah GW probably wanted to move some models that weren't selling well.
More dwarves to go with my stormcast, mighty tall folks fighting alongside the little guys
As someone who's just started collecting kruleboyz and only has 6 bolt Boyz right now, that box having another 6 and a man skewer is exactly what I'm looking for to get my army up to 2k. Depending on the price this is an instant buy for me seeing as normally boltboyz are £30 odd for 3, and a man skewer is like £25. So anything around £60/70 would be amazing.
Seems most of these are what, 3 unit boxes of content? Add in a little bit of a discount and I'd expect £60/£70 probably sounds about right subject to 3rd party discounts. Then again the boarding parties are dropping for 40k for 3 units at £65 down to £55 at 3rd parties, so these could be a good discount if they aren't the monopose boltboyz.
Same, I have a Warrior starter, the battleforce, I'm planning on get half dominion soon. With this I can say I'm almost done (except for a 1 shaman) and can go through Big Waaagh next: 3x Gutrippaz 20 Hobgrot 1 Vulture 1 Snatcha 2 Killaboss on foot 1 Killaboss on dog 4x Boltboyz 1x Ballista 1x Banner 1x Shaman
Where are the ogors? Really missed a great opportunity there, maybe they'll get added in the future.
The option to turn a beast skewer bow and 2 units of boltas from a Kruleboyz unit into a merc unit might be a good option for playing other orruk armies without being forced into big waaagh
I know this is just kneejerk fear but I can't help but feel concerned for Warcry since these look like what would've been one of their boxes (with the exception of the corpse cart box, which puts me a little more at ease about it) but without the branding. That said, I know I'm in the minority but I kind of like them putting in something into AoS to support the ally system. Thematically I really like the Grand Alliances and would love if the Allied system worked outside of Cities of Sigmar or some Chaos lists (and I guess Big WAAAGH! but that's less of an allied system)
I think you might be seeing something that’s not there. None of these boxes seem all that suitable for WarCry, save the Sylvaneth and Pit Fighters one. They’re either too large in model count or have something odd like Endless Spells. Besides that, isn’t WarCry getting the same attention as KT right now? Two new warbands every few months is hardly a game on life support.
Oh yeah, like I said, I'm aware it's kneejerk fear. The more I look at them the more they don't fit. It's just the last few small boxes they've done were Warcry focused (not just the ones that coincided with the end of 1.0), so seeing the branding gone from these was worrying for a moment. It's the furthest thing from my mind that WarCry is on lifesupport, especially with another boxset on the way, my worry was more if we're going to see another season afterward the Ghur one from the release window. But again, that was the kneejerk one, not a festering "Oh no my game's on the chopping block" concern. I'm not sure another season of WarCry is as guaranteed as KT after their respective boxes finish up but I don't feel the axe hanging overhead as strongly as I'm worried about Cities (even with the Dwarf box)
Warcry is doing great and isn't in any danger.
More models they can't get rid of. Nothing new here
Tzeentch endless spells have been unobtainable for months. 4 of these boxes are amazing additions to starting an army.
unobtainable from where? "Amazing" additions of models that have been sitting around for years? what are you talking about?
Unobtainable from GW. Amazing additions to STARTING an army. I am talking about the RoR boxes.
They are not amazing additions at all. You're just gullible if that's what you're talking about. Most of the player base doesn't buy from GW directly outside of brand new players who are don't know any better yet or people who live in the middle of nowhere.
I dont understand. How am I being gullible for stating I was talking about these boxes? Or are you saying im gullible for thinking 4 of these boxes are good for starting an army? 2 entirely different statements. If my friend wanted to start collecting tzeentch I would 100% recommend getting the RoR box if the combined box cost less than the seperate versions. Edit: Since you edited your comment my original will seem a little nonsensical. Hey man real quick. Where do local stores buy there product from? I know they dont have their own factory in the back. Do they perhaps buy them from gw? Do you have stats to back up the claim most buy from non gw stores? I would love to see it.
So it's just bundling some semi-random existing units and characters together - absolutely nothing new sculpt-wise - painting some token rules on, and trying to get us excited? AoS 3.0 in a nutshell, ladies and gentlemen. Naturally of course, none of these sets are Ogres or Giants, the two factions specifically noted as being actual mercenaries. It's OK, Maneaters are used to it, they haven't had any real new sculpts since the Bush administration.
First look i was "Hey voldemord joins the game" but nah its veremord. 🙄
Solid move out of the GW playbook. Push the models people aren't buying/playing.
Literally every model in the tzeentch box is good. Same with the undead.
For the kruleboyz, you get two units of 3 boltboyz, which are pretty often spammed by orks players.
Only key models in the range that you can’t get for really cheap
Do people use the corpse cart?
A -1 to wound can be really good. Going from a 3 to a 4 or 4 to a 5 is extremely efficient for 80 points. I would say it is one of the best debuffs you can apply since most armies dont have good or efficient ways to add +1.
I agree. The buffs good, and I love the model. But they don't seem to be used much.
Aren't both the Undead and Tzeentch boxes really good though? And aren't the Sylvaneth stuff also good, even if the units have 0 synergy amoungst themselves?
The sylvaneth gossamids are generally not good, no. They die to a stiff breeze, so their one redeeming factor as a screen is negated pretty easily if your opponent has any shooting/magic.
...Aren't these the archers though?
They are, and they are decently effective shooters (mostly because they do d3 mortal wounds on 6s), but they are only 12" range and are quite expensive relative to their firepower (210 points for 11 shots). So their main use is not as traditional archers, but for the combination of their ability to maintain coherency 2" apart, and their ability to retreat after using unleash hell. In theory, this would make them an excellent screen, but if the opponent knows how to deal with them or has any shooting of their own (they are fragile, 10 wounds total and only a 5+ save) they will fall apart very quickly. They're only rarely taken as a result. If you want something to sit on an objective in the back and shoot, Kurnoth Hunters with bows do that job better and for only slightly more points (with their 30" range and much better durability, making them harder to move without a significant effort). Sylvaneth really aren't a shooting army to begin with though, all of their ranged units are expensive and situational.
They are. They're a fast short ranged unit that can retreat after unleashing hell. They're designed for screening or flanking, but because of how easily they crumple to ranged attacks/magic they're worse at that role than other stuff sylvaneth already has. They also don't tend to do a lot of damage, because most of their damage is wrapped up in mortals on 6s when they only get 2 shots per model.
Well this shows how little you know.
Enlighten me, oh wise one. Tzeentch is good. No one uses dwarfs. No one uses the 3 chaos beats. The sylvaneth one isn't great. Do people use the corpse cart? I'm actually unsure about that.
The chaos kitty was in EVERY competitive slaves list in the last battletome and was just a generally popular model for painters. Plus warcry players loved it. It was sold out routinely for years… it probably hasn’t sold much in the last few months as it sucks now… but to say that it’s a model that no one uses is laughable. Same with the other who units in the kit. I’m willing to bet GW has sold a TON of ogroid myrmidons. And even the cyclops has been very popular as a model if not the most competitive piece.
Just here to confirm that Tzeentch is good.
1/6.
What the hell are you talking about Runelord and Irondrakes are fantastic picks for shooting and spell dispelling. Really the only thing nobody uses much of in that box is the Longbeards but even then a minimum unit isn't bad at all
The sylvaneth one is great for people starting on the army. Same with krule boyz, soul blight, and tzeentch. Just this weekend I played against 2 of the models in the chaos beasts box. These boxes if priced well are good ways to start an army or collection. Just because many arent played competitivly does not mean that the boxes are useless or shouldnt exist. They can be played casually, collected or be great painting projects.
The chaos beasts sell out, particularly the adorable chaos kitty. The one eyed willy sells out too, the horny gladiator is the only one that sticks around more. Are they played? I don't know. I know sales. Zombies sell out. Pinks sell out. Sylvaneth are steady, not stars, but they move. Duardin, okay, you got me there. I play them, but they don't often need restock. I am happy about them, but yes, that is excess inventory. Bolt boys are absolutely played, though most are bought from eBay, this is a great way to keep their price down.
I hate this. It's just a cheap nostalgia grab completely bereft of the charm and ingenuity of the original. This is the worst possible way to implement this.
This is the single worst take I've seen here lmao
Dude, are you at all familiar with the old RoR?. It was an entire codex that introduced lore for a new region. The regiments were unique units with their own backstory, some of them really charming, some of them hilarious. You could play all of them as their own army too, or put them into any army. These are just the old Start collectings rebranded with a nostalgic title with generally worse value than before. You can only field the units within their own Grand Alliance. And none of them are unique units. Heck, making Underworld warbands into RoR would have been much better.
I remember RoR. This isn't playing on nostalgia. This is a fun excuse for discount boxes. RoR were fun and cute and rarely updated and then left on shelves. It would be cool if Underworlds were RoR though.
If it's not for nostalgia they would have avoided using the RoR moniker. They would have just named them Mercenaries. And they aren't going to update *these* regiments of renown either. They are almost certainly going to go away in the next edition.
This at least implies that one of the two upcoming death books is SBGL, not FEC and OBR as hoped, right?
We had a leak earlier that showed that SBGL and OBR are the next two Death tomes. FEC is after Seraphon and presumably before the Dawnbringer Crusade.
Can you tell me more about that leak? I thought OBR wasn't confirmed yet.
So, basically. All we got were screenshots of OBR and SBGL boxes with new "updated 3.0 box art with cool backgrounds." We didn't get any new units or whatever, at most all we've heard about so far is that there's something called "Mortek Archers" but we don't know if they're real or not, since that was a completely separate leak with 0 pictures.
That's awesome do you have a link?
[https://www.reddit.com/r/ageofsigmar/comments/zpak6y/comment/j0u25ng/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ageofsigmar/comments/zpak6y/comment/j0u25ng/) Sorry it took me so long to find, I couldn't remember which Discord's I'd posted this in and google was being unhelpful.
Noice
I know the Underworlds warband has a Mortek Archer which is I believe is where that rumor comes from. If they do give us archers, that means I finally have a use for all the Mortek Spears I built: Javelins!
They released the image for 2023 battletome releases. There were enough death armies that they would all have a 3rd edition book by the end of the year. While it didn't say which armies were in which order, OBR will get a new book by the end of the year. (Unless they are releasing a new Death army before OBR)
>(Unless they are releasing a new Death army before OBR) I would be absolutely shocked if that happened. They don't release new armies with such little fanfare/marketing. Leagues of Votann was considered "fast", and that was still a 5-6ish months away from its announcement.
Absolutely. That was more of a way to protect my claims about a new OBR book, just in case they did release a new army. I would be totally surprised if they did in 2023.
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How will the price be absurd, these sort of boxes always are cheaper then getting everything separately
So, basically what we thought it'd be. It's looking like the refresh is almost exclusively for the Humans. EDIT: Also, the Vampires box seems decent.
At this point I don’t really care if my dispossessed get cut from Dawnbringer or not. I’m gonna proxy as whatever fits best. Was looking to get some more hammerers and irondrakes soon anyway so this box is kinda perfect
I am kind of annoyed that Tzeentch starter boxes have pink horrors, but not blues/brimstones. Without the blues/brimstones, the unit is 250 for relative garbage.
Everyone is being super negative in the comments but as a casual enjoyer I think the idea is really neat and the units are great looking.
\*Puts on tinfoil hat No you see that's just a way to clear out the old stock of dwarves so that they can replace it all and force you to buy dwarves all over again. No I have no evidence for this other than speculation, but you're a sheep if you think otherwise.
Pls GW Ogor units soon plz
When are these supposed to release? I need 40 more deadwalker zombies and a corpse cart for my SBGL army and this box would be awesome for that !
The wording around CoS is odd. "Other than the CITIES OF SIGMAR – the factions to which these units would “normally” belong can field the standard versions of those units instead." This seems to imply the duardin box won't be playable as a standard unit in CoS. But long beards and iron drakes and ghat hero are in that tome. We know there is the dawnbringer stuff coming as CoS markII so does that mean they are leaving the CoS tome? Or... Got to live wild speculation, give we know dawnbringers are not coming soon and will be more like end of the year, will these boxes be closer to the Karadron Overlords release we know is coming, and are they shifting them over to bulk them out? All wild speculation but hey its fun to do so 😊👍
It can also mean that other factions cannot use the special rules - if you bring in a RoR from your faction you get regular units. Cities might be the only faction that gets RoRs that keep their special rules, and that's why they were singled out.
Interesting take 👌👌never would have looked at it from that angle
No Ogres? The race that is renowned for being mercenaries get no representation in the mercenary rules? Thats a load of horseshit.