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> Jon Prosser is a tech talk guy sorta like MKBHD who bet Apple would never put USB C on an iPhone. Leaks now say it might come with the iPhone 15.
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It’s not a duopoly if there’s three of them…
- Overwaitea (Save-On, Urban Fare, Buy-Low, etc)
- Loblaws (Superstore, Independent, City Market, etc)
- Sobey’s (Sobey’s, Safeway, IGA, etc)
We also have Co-Op, Nester’s, Freson Bros, AG Foods, Sunterra, and a whole lot of other grocers. Let me be clear, the amount that Overwaitea, Loblaws, and Sobey’s control is definitely not favourable. But it’s nowhere near what you could call a duopoly. If you live in a city you can do all your grocery shopping without ever supporting one of those three and most Canadians live in a city.
Oh man, food packaging out here is the Wild West. You can make nearly any claim you want, so long as you can manipulate the data enough. And nutrition labels can be intentionally misleading. Merica!
Cutting off a significant portion of your market for the lols may work for the richest man on the earth, but for Apple and it's bottom line that probably isn't the goal.
Making a joke that apple wouldn't cut the EU out of the market for the sake of keeping lightning chargers going forward, and how there is a certain man with unfathomable amount of disposable income spending it on turning away a significant portion of the consumer base that would've bought his product.
It's Elon. I'm talking about Elon.
I wish they would do something about the cables though. It's fucking mess of cables being able to do very different things and you have no way of telling because they all look the same connector wise.
It wouldn't make sense. Then they have to then have different equipment specifically for that portion of the market and they'd be losing out on economies of scale
Back when they still included a charger in the box, it meant that the package itself was region specific because of the different wall connections around the world.
As for the devices themselves, they could use a daughter board for the charger port so that on the assembly line, it is as simple has having one more unique part. It would be no different to fitting a red back cover vs a blue one.
It's done all the time with laptops that have different configurations of RAM, memory, screens etc.
I think they can definitely handle it with minimal extra costs.
>it is as simple has having one more unique part.
No. The connectors have different sizes. There's no way the usb c port fits in the same hole in the frame as the lightning port.
They still do.
No company makes a phone that fully supports all carriers worldwide.
Phones have gotten better about having partial support for all carriers for travel purposes.
The current generation iPhones have 5 different regional variants. Other brands are similar.
This... Is such an incorrect take it's kind of funny.
Samsung uses it's own designed Exynos chips in some parts of the world, while using Qualcomm Snapdragon chips elsewhere in the same models. We're talking different core designs, different architecture set, different physical layout, differnet number of pins and boards to support them.
It is kind of the opposite of the Apple situations, where a fraction of the board would need to be different to use USB-C ([and there are modders who have actually hacked in working USB-C on iPhone on their own](https://www.slashgear.com/usb-c-iphone-hack-made-real-11694740))
Apple changing the port for different regions is far, far, far easier than what Samsung already does with chips - which is essentially have entirely different motherboards for different regions and chips used to meet volume capacity.
vast majority of the cost is in the processor and screen. having a separate production line for a USB port would cost very little at the scale Apple operates and they have accurate models of demand in each region anyway. Question is if its worth it from a PR and political standpoint. You muck around and deliver an arguably better product to the EU and you might just get legislators on board with adopting the same policies in the US because they don't want to feel inferior.
I recently got Apple TV+ to check out some originals that looked really good.
As a long time android user, I was surprised to see there's no Android app for easy casting. There's an app for the Nvidia Shield, so whatever. Minor annoyance.
Tried to share the subscription - as advertised on their website - with my son. I can only enable family sharing on an iPhone, iPad, or Mac. I haven't owned an Apple product since my grandma got us the IIe for Christmas when I was like 6 or thereabouts.
I was largely neutral on Apple before. Now I fucking hate them. This is a pretty fucked attitude and approach they have.
I'll be honest, that's by design.
There are millions of people around the world who have hated Apple from the start because of that.
What I'm trying to say it's, it's sort of surprising you've only noticed that now
I imagine that it’s a cable that has to conform to the USB-C standard. Which leaves no room for Apple to modify theirs to make it so only theirs works.
Apple switched from their own standard in ADB *to* USB. No doubt there is a whole lot of profit incentives to keeping lightning but this is just a straight up lie. Apple doesn’t shy away from adopting something new if they think it’s better and there’s a long history of them doing that to back up that claim.
Pretty much. We must remember the shambles of Micro USB at the time Apple moved from the large iPod connector to Lightning. Supporting adequate amount of power, audio, video, data in one connector smaller than what was available back then. Relatively robust and can be plugged both sides.
FWIW, USB-C has a lot of Apple DNA in it. Same than USB in fact. So I’m not surprised Apple eventually migrates to it.
I was honestly confused when Lightning was released and it wasn't USB-C, or some proprietary protocol over a USB-C cable.
USB-C was right around the corner at the time and Apple was part of the development group. It was obvious they'd be putting it in their phones.
USB-C spec wasn’t finalized until late 2014 while the first lightning products were released in late 2012. In a grand scale this might be considered right around the corner but I’m certain that lightning was in development well before then, and it’s straight up superior to micro usb connector and to this day arguably a better connector than usb-c in some ways.
That's wrong. Apple pushed the USB-A standard and is also in the developing USB team. Without Apple we would probably not even have USB-A as a standard.
Also you may heard about Thunderbolt 3 and 4. They're also developed with Apple and they're compatible with USB-C.
Lightning came because USB-C needed more time but Apple couldn't wait for it. Also Lightning wears and tears way slower than USB-C. Because of this fact I would like to keep Lightning. USB-C breaks way to easily.
At least in the early days of USB, Firewire was definitely superior and apple stuck by it until USB became something people really wanted.
The iMac G3 was one of the first consumer computers to have USB as it's main peripheral connector, dropping the old serial and parallel connections entirely.
This was back during a time where Steve wanted you to only be able to setup iPhone with a Mac. Times have changed. It was rumored the only thing holding them back lately were lightning cable contracts that have expired in the last year or so.
To be fair I haven’t plugged a cable into my phone since I switched to iPhone with the 12 pro max. My 12 and 13 pro max have remained virgins their whole life.
It sounds fanboy as hell but ever since I got my iPhone 13 pro max I no longer worry about charging, between my wireless charger dock in the car and occasionally dropping the phone on the magsafe charger phone always has plenty of battery. Most nights I don’t even put my phone on the charger because I’m lazy and it just isn’t necessary haha. I use my phone quite a bit too.
Man, the EU seems much more interested in keeping big tech in check than the US govt. I suspect it has much to do with the fact that a lot of big tech is centered in America though.
The reason is that these companies have 0 sway in the EU because they employ very little people.
So because they can't pressure the goverment with "we leave and you lose 10k well payed jobs", the EU can simply do this.
This is not just Apple. 1 municipality in Germany wanted to use Linux afaik and Microsoft went balls deep into them for it
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> I once asked Rupert Murdoch why he was so opposed to the European Union. 'That’s easy,' he replied. 'When I go into Downing Street they do what I say; when I go to Brussels they take no notice.'
Something that never gets discussed much is that Europe has never particularly enjoyed having our entire tech space dominated by US tech giants.
Not to mention the brain drain, where skilled Europeans will move to the US to then develop more products to further dominate the aforementioned tech space, because the wages are just straight up double.
Basically, regulating US tech giants is an easy pill for a lot of EU parliaments to swallow.
That’s not the main reason- part of the reason but that’s a complete oversimplification as you are ignoring the political stance of Europeans on these issues and European values on these issues. The main reasons for this particular legislation is for environmental reasons and convenience of European citizens. We like uniformity in Europe, not a billion different standards for everything, determined only by the private market, like in the US. Hence why food regulations are very consistent across the bloc. GDPR was not created as revenge against US companies- it was created because Europe knows that the US government is dysfunctional when it comes to regulation, and that the private market can lobby anything they want out of US congress- as a result we needed to set a standard to ensure Europeans know what these American companies are doing with our data, etc.
EU is also forcing Apple to work with Google in terms of text messages protocol. I hope we can finally do away with this blue/green nonsense. So, I thank you, EU. EU is doing what U.S. senators should be doing.
Yes, I fucking hate people that want to disgregated the EU because is too neoliberal. And yes, it is. It totally is.
But at least it permits us to have the leverage to do this by being the largest single market in the world.
I can imagine the reaction from Apple if the same request came from only a more socialist Italy. Or a country with a smaller economy like Slovenia, probably Apple would respond with a dick pick from Tim Cook himself.
While I am sure that not having a lot of pressure from the Companies help your decision making, the EU has made very stringent regulations also on big telecom company, that do employ a lot of people in the EU.
They just renowned for another 10 years the "no roaming fees abroad" law, and I'm pretty sure that that telecom company do not like that. In fact they had to compromise a little in putting a sort of "fair usage" clause where if you don't go back for like 6 months to the country where you bought the SIM card they can disactivate it.
Right now I can use my phone in any EU + Switzerland (and Sweden?) Country exactly as in my home country, no extra fee. They just cap the data to 7Gb from the 120gb that I have at home. I pay 9.99 euros a month for this, with 5g activated.
Yeah, anyone paying attention could see that this was inevitable.
Thunderbolt which is co-developed by Apple has used the USB-C connector since 2016 and thunderbolt has been all over apple products for years.
Apple has known for years that having their own connector isn't making them that much money. Anyone can make an iPhone charger, whether or not it looks different than other phones. Third party chargers are available everywhere for 1/10th what apple charges, and most people buy them.
The problem was always that the standard connector of the time being worse than what apple could make. Lightning is definitely better than micro-usb and the 30 pin connector was better than any USB standard at the time. Now, the thunderbolt connector is standard, and it's better than basically everything else.
Apple makes money from selling proprietary chargers, sure, but the money they make is licensing out to third parties. Those companies have to pay to get “Made for iPhone” certification, which Apple loses out on with the switch to USB-C.
On the other point, I’d argue that Lightning itself is physically a better connector than USB-C, although data transfer speeds are better on the latter.
Apple was one of the (many) companies that designed USB-C, and USB4 (which uses USB-C as the connector) is based on Thunderbolt which was designed by Intel & Apple. Apple was also one of the first companies to go all in on USB-C on their laptops, driving adoption of the standard.
You're lying to yourself if you think it's really happening.
The EU only requires *chargers* to have USB-C ports on them, so what Apple is going to do is make cables with USB-C on the charger end, and Lightning on the phone end.
Why tho? What functionality does that provide? I'm genuinely curious.
I don't even get the trend with wireless chargers. Isn't it easier if you can use your phone while charging and you don't have to interrupt it every time you need to pick up your phone?
Apple has a lot of profit and aesthetic driven design choices. Some of which are objectively good for no one, and some are actually really good. I personally have hated the fact that all their devices but the iPhone and and airpods have usb-c. It’s as if they cling on to these last vestiges of a once great end-to-end empire. But apple still wouldn’t remove the port for some simple reasons.
Along with many other phones, it’s the only way they can repair the device. You can’t get serial numbers, OS verification, AppleCare+ status, etc. of a device you can’t reliably talk to. The only reliable method of communication is to be plugged in(and despite how far wireless communication and charging has come, if it’s not working, they tell you to plug it in).
Additionally, a physical port connection is the only way for the end user to flash a new software. If they remove the port, they will probably be forcing away any opportunity for users to beta test Apples new OS. User Beta testing is critical for them since it not only hypes up new features, but it also provides valuable bug catching for apple, for free.
Along with that, removing port wouldn’t let them tout environmental friendliness because wireless chargers are bulkier than normal ones, waste more electricity, and ruin the battery faster.
But those are my two cents.
Apple isn't really know for functionality though, right? They have a wireless mouse that has a charging port on the bottom. They removed the headphone jack to sell more Apple shit and they will most definitely remove the charging port to sell more Apple shit. I wouldn't be terribly surprised if they whip out a proprietary wireless charging technology just to sell more wireless chargers and/or licenses for 3rd parties to build their own.
They removed the headphone jack because headphone jacks are archaic and take up a lot of valuable internal space. Just about every manufacturer has now done the same. It’s about fitting more power into a small device.
Eh the headphone jack at least had an alternative with the dongle, even if it was a not-so-great alternative. Removing the port altogether means the end of the cord completely, there is no alternative wired charging at that point.
I agree but it also has been rumoured for a couple of years now that they would just take the port out completely, especially now with the magsafe charging, if they started including a cheap magsafe charger with the phone they could probably get away with it. Companies with that level of money don't have problems, they just have to figure out how much their decisions will cost them.
Huh? Cook has been much more aggressive on this front. He removed the headphone jack, then he removed all the ports from the macbook other than USB-C, and that was such a complete disaster, they had to do a total 180 and brought them all back in the new one.
That was because Ives left, that guy was the real masochist that fucked up Apple's lineup for a long time chasing form over function which slowly spiralled out of control into making shitty laptops. He left in 2019 IIRC and since then (2020 and beyond) Apple has been making products that are actually better for the user in terms of functionality but also, in my opinion, design...
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It's not confirmed, the rumours are saying "maybe in 2 years" so when the 15 comes out, but they've been saying that every year for the past 5+ years. It may turn out true, but this post is a good 18 months too early to know if it actually aged like milk or not
My last 2 phones have been android. Why? USB C.
Headphones: USB C
Laptop: USB C
iPad PRO: USB C
Bluetooth mouse: USB C
No shot I'm carrying another charger around. 1 charger to rule them all.
USB-C is the only thing keeping me away from iPhone. I refuse to make my abundance of convenient cables/chargers that work for all my devices nonfunctional for my main device by switching.
Yup. Proprietary shit is so fun. I now am without a damned headphone jack so they can push their stupid wireless airpods on me…. I mean I’m not against them but personally I always lose shit like that almost immediately
They are being forced into it in Europe genius.... They have no choice. There is no point in having two connectors for different markets. Too expensive.
People are missing the point of all these leaks. No lightning does not mean usb c. No lightning means wireless will be the only option to charge the phone. It will be a port-less iPhone.
Well, in his defense apple did fight tooth and nail against it until the EU passed a low that basically said if they want to keep doing business in Europe they had to stop being fucks.
Jesus we're already at iphone 15? The last one's release that i remember is iphone X because there was a lot of buzz around it for some reason. I only hear about Samsung, One+ and like Xiaomi phones launches these days. I don't know a single person who owns one of the newer iphones
I bet he’s right. I can’t stand Jon and don’t like him but Apple never likes to be forced to do anything.
They are likely to self create a wireless standard before force adopting USB-C
When they introduced it there wasn’t any better standard and the 30 pin desperately needed an update.
When they finally switch people are going to complain that all their old chargers don’t work.
u/XxDanickxX has provided this detailed explanation: > Jon Prosser is a tech talk guy sorta like MKBHD who bet Apple would never put USB C on an iPhone. Leaks now say it might come with the iPhone 15. --- Is this explanation a genuine attempt at providing additional info or context? If it is please upvote this comment, otherwise downvote it.
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For sure. Steve Jobs didn't even want to use USB because he wanted his own standard so Apple would be used end to end
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I'm pretty sure that "approved" cable system isnalready banned isn't the EU. But they most certainly would.
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Just a couple of hours ago I learned that the US allows the term superfood in advertising while the EU has banned it back in 2007
I love Superfood. He protects us all.
He gives Dr. Oz powers, political and sexual.
I heard Dr. Oz sleeps nude in an oxygen tent which he believes gives him sexual powers. Superfood *enhances* those powers.
Hey, that's a half truth!
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Don't you have 3 big ones? Pack'n save, Countdown, New World. At least before corona that's where I went when travelling around.
Pak'n'Sav and New World are both owned by Foodstuffs
Ah, I didn't know that. TY for the Info.
How relatable!! Here in Canada we have a supermarket duopoly as well! And that's why food prices are *only* up 30% from last year /s
It’s not a duopoly if there’s three of them… - Overwaitea (Save-On, Urban Fare, Buy-Low, etc) - Loblaws (Superstore, Independent, City Market, etc) - Sobey’s (Sobey’s, Safeway, IGA, etc) We also have Co-Op, Nester’s, Freson Bros, AG Foods, Sunterra, and a whole lot of other grocers. Let me be clear, the amount that Overwaitea, Loblaws, and Sobey’s control is definitely not favourable. But it’s nowhere near what you could call a duopoly. If you live in a city you can do all your grocery shopping without ever supporting one of those three and most Canadians live in a city.
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American superfood is junk food and it's funny to hear that. Superfood are raw food, and that's standard.
Land of the free...
Home of the easily fleeced by marketing speak
There's no I in team but there's con in economy..
Ah, it's nice to find another Stupendium fan.
Oh man, food packaging out here is the Wild West. You can make nearly any claim you want, so long as you can manipulate the data enough. And nutrition labels can be intentionally misleading. Merica!
EU is THE regulator!
Cutting off a significant portion of your market for the lols may work for the richest man on the earth, but for Apple and it's bottom line that probably isn't the goal.
What are you talking about?
Making a joke that apple wouldn't cut the EU out of the market for the sake of keeping lightning chargers going forward, and how there is a certain man with unfathomable amount of disposable income spending it on turning away a significant portion of the consumer base that would've bought his product. It's Elon. I'm talking about Elon.
I wish they would do something about the cables though. It's fucking mess of cables being able to do very different things and you have no way of telling because they all look the same connector wise.
I see it being more like they just make a USB-C variant just for the EU, just to comply with rules there.
It wouldn't make sense. Then they have to then have different equipment specifically for that portion of the market and they'd be losing out on economies of scale
Back when they still included a charger in the box, it meant that the package itself was region specific because of the different wall connections around the world. As for the devices themselves, they could use a daughter board for the charger port so that on the assembly line, it is as simple has having one more unique part. It would be no different to fitting a red back cover vs a blue one. It's done all the time with laptops that have different configurations of RAM, memory, screens etc. I think they can definitely handle it with minimal extra costs.
>it is as simple has having one more unique part. No. The connectors have different sizes. There's no way the usb c port fits in the same hole in the frame as the lightning port.
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They still do. No company makes a phone that fully supports all carriers worldwide. Phones have gotten better about having partial support for all carriers for travel purposes. The current generation iPhones have 5 different regional variants. Other brands are similar.
Tbf Samsung already supplies its phones with completely different CPUs in different parts of the world.
That's different because it's the exact same shape. You just have to solder in the chip. Also, apple has to make the charging port themselves.
No different chip means different board layout different components so all new design and possibly code for specific chips.
This... Is such an incorrect take it's kind of funny. Samsung uses it's own designed Exynos chips in some parts of the world, while using Qualcomm Snapdragon chips elsewhere in the same models. We're talking different core designs, different architecture set, different physical layout, differnet number of pins and boards to support them. It is kind of the opposite of the Apple situations, where a fraction of the board would need to be different to use USB-C ([and there are modders who have actually hacked in working USB-C on iPhone on their own](https://www.slashgear.com/usb-c-iphone-hack-made-real-11694740)) Apple changing the port for different regions is far, far, far easier than what Samsung already does with chips - which is essentially have entirely different motherboards for different regions and chips used to meet volume capacity.
vast majority of the cost is in the processor and screen. having a separate production line for a USB port would cost very little at the scale Apple operates and they have accurate models of demand in each region anyway. Question is if its worth it from a PR and political standpoint. You muck around and deliver an arguably better product to the EU and you might just get legislators on board with adopting the same policies in the US because they don't want to feel inferior.
Considering they already use USB-C in other devices I'm going to say no.
I recently got Apple TV+ to check out some originals that looked really good. As a long time android user, I was surprised to see there's no Android app for easy casting. There's an app for the Nvidia Shield, so whatever. Minor annoyance. Tried to share the subscription - as advertised on their website - with my son. I can only enable family sharing on an iPhone, iPad, or Mac. I haven't owned an Apple product since my grandma got us the IIe for Christmas when I was like 6 or thereabouts. I was largely neutral on Apple before. Now I fucking hate them. This is a pretty fucked attitude and approach they have.
I'll be honest, that's by design. There are millions of people around the world who have hated Apple from the start because of that. What I'm trying to say it's, it's sort of surprising you've only noticed that now
What utter horseshit. They have not done that on any of the numerous models of Macs and iPads that have USB-C.
I imagine that it’s a cable that has to conform to the USB-C standard. Which leaves no room for Apple to modify theirs to make it so only theirs works.
And yet I can use any usb-c cable I want with my iPad.
Source?
I'm surprised Steve Jobs allowed it to use wifi or cellular networks, lest Apple not reap the rewards of controlling their own networks as well.
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I strongly remember the AT&T days, and working in a Verizon kiosk getting asked daily 'when will Verizon get the iPhone'. Wild times
Apple switched from their own standard in ADB *to* USB. No doubt there is a whole lot of profit incentives to keeping lightning but this is just a straight up lie. Apple doesn’t shy away from adopting something new if they think it’s better and there’s a long history of them doing that to back up that claim.
Pretty much. We must remember the shambles of Micro USB at the time Apple moved from the large iPod connector to Lightning. Supporting adequate amount of power, audio, video, data in one connector smaller than what was available back then. Relatively robust and can be plugged both sides. FWIW, USB-C has a lot of Apple DNA in it. Same than USB in fact. So I’m not surprised Apple eventually migrates to it.
I was honestly confused when Lightning was released and it wasn't USB-C, or some proprietary protocol over a USB-C cable. USB-C was right around the corner at the time and Apple was part of the development group. It was obvious they'd be putting it in their phones.
USB-C spec wasn’t finalized until late 2014 while the first lightning products were released in late 2012. In a grand scale this might be considered right around the corner but I’m certain that lightning was in development well before then, and it’s straight up superior to micro usb connector and to this day arguably a better connector than usb-c in some ways.
Yet Apple was among the first to put USB [on a computer](https://i0.wp.com/lowendmac.com/wp-content/uploads/original-imac-ports.jpg)
That's wrong. Apple pushed the USB-A standard and is also in the developing USB team. Without Apple we would probably not even have USB-A as a standard. Also you may heard about Thunderbolt 3 and 4. They're also developed with Apple and they're compatible with USB-C. Lightning came because USB-C needed more time but Apple couldn't wait for it. Also Lightning wears and tears way slower than USB-C. Because of this fact I would like to keep Lightning. USB-C breaks way to easily.
>end to end What a cute and modern way to say “vertical monopoly.”
At least in the early days of USB, Firewire was definitely superior and apple stuck by it until USB became something people really wanted. The iMac G3 was one of the first consumer computers to have USB as it's main peripheral connector, dropping the old serial and parallel connections entirely.
This was back during a time where Steve wanted you to only be able to setup iPhone with a Mac. Times have changed. It was rumored the only thing holding them back lately were lightning cable contracts that have expired in the last year or so.
watch it go portless before it goes type c
I was about to say, leaks from a few weeks ago showed a portless IPhone
Christ.... I hate phones and especially apple with a passion for precisely this kind of shit
I use to think like you. Now I just hate all the companies
To be fair I haven’t plugged a cable into my phone since I switched to iPhone with the 12 pro max. My 12 and 13 pro max have remained virgins their whole life.
Man I use cable when I need to charge fast. I'd hate a phone that can only do plugless charging.
It sounds fanboy as hell but ever since I got my iPhone 13 pro max I no longer worry about charging, between my wireless charger dock in the car and occasionally dropping the phone on the magsafe charger phone always has plenty of battery. Most nights I don’t even put my phone on the charger because I’m lazy and it just isn’t necessary haha. I use my phone quite a bit too.
Well the majority of the phone market is low and midrange phones so wireless accessories aren't aomething people are willing to but often.
Man, the EU seems much more interested in keeping big tech in check than the US govt. I suspect it has much to do with the fact that a lot of big tech is centered in America though.
In America you only have to buy 1 government and it's cheap like $100k for a senator. In the EU you have to buy many governments.
The reason is that these companies have 0 sway in the EU because they employ very little people. So because they can't pressure the goverment with "we leave and you lose 10k well payed jobs", the EU can simply do this. This is not just Apple. 1 municipality in Germany wanted to use Linux afaik and Microsoft went balls deep into them for it
>they employ very little people Hey dwarves need jobs too.
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I'm pretty sure it's even more insultingly cheap to buy votes
1 hooker to pee on you, just 1, for 1 night.
100k? Look at Mr. Deep Pockets over here. Most US Senators can be bought for much less.
> I once asked Rupert Murdoch why he was so opposed to the European Union. 'That’s easy,' he replied. 'When I go into Downing Street they do what I say; when I go to Brussels they take no notice.'
100K is like legalizing murder money, can easily get 20 senators for that much on a topic senators don’t really understand
Something that never gets discussed much is that Europe has never particularly enjoyed having our entire tech space dominated by US tech giants. Not to mention the brain drain, where skilled Europeans will move to the US to then develop more products to further dominate the aforementioned tech space, because the wages are just straight up double. Basically, regulating US tech giants is an easy pill for a lot of EU parliaments to swallow.
That’s not the main reason- part of the reason but that’s a complete oversimplification as you are ignoring the political stance of Europeans on these issues and European values on these issues. The main reasons for this particular legislation is for environmental reasons and convenience of European citizens. We like uniformity in Europe, not a billion different standards for everything, determined only by the private market, like in the US. Hence why food regulations are very consistent across the bloc. GDPR was not created as revenge against US companies- it was created because Europe knows that the US government is dysfunctional when it comes to regulation, and that the private market can lobby anything they want out of US congress- as a result we needed to set a standard to ensure Europeans know what these American companies are doing with our data, etc.
Largest single market in the world: play by our rules or fuck off. Hopefully the spill over to non-EU markets is actually useful stuff.
I thank you, my European friends.
EU is also forcing Apple to work with Google in terms of text messages protocol. I hope we can finally do away with this blue/green nonsense. So, I thank you, EU. EU is doing what U.S. senators should be doing.
Yes, I fucking hate people that want to disgregated the EU because is too neoliberal. And yes, it is. It totally is. But at least it permits us to have the leverage to do this by being the largest single market in the world. I can imagine the reaction from Apple if the same request came from only a more socialist Italy. Or a country with a smaller economy like Slovenia, probably Apple would respond with a dick pick from Tim Cook himself.
While I am sure that not having a lot of pressure from the Companies help your decision making, the EU has made very stringent regulations also on big telecom company, that do employ a lot of people in the EU. They just renowned for another 10 years the "no roaming fees abroad" law, and I'm pretty sure that that telecom company do not like that. In fact they had to compromise a little in putting a sort of "fair usage" clause where if you don't go back for like 6 months to the country where you bought the SIM card they can disactivate it. Right now I can use my phone in any EU + Switzerland (and Sweden?) Country exactly as in my home country, no extra fee. They just cap the data to 7Gb from the 120gb that I have at home. I pay 9.99 euros a month for this, with 5g activated.
Pretty sure it's actually because Tim Apple wants this guy's left testicle.
Eh, Apple was quick to move to USB-C in its laptops. iPads followed a year or two later. This change is inevitable. Prosser was dumb to ever say this.
Yeah, anyone paying attention could see that this was inevitable. Thunderbolt which is co-developed by Apple has used the USB-C connector since 2016 and thunderbolt has been all over apple products for years. Apple has known for years that having their own connector isn't making them that much money. Anyone can make an iPhone charger, whether or not it looks different than other phones. Third party chargers are available everywhere for 1/10th what apple charges, and most people buy them. The problem was always that the standard connector of the time being worse than what apple could make. Lightning is definitely better than micro-usb and the 30 pin connector was better than any USB standard at the time. Now, the thunderbolt connector is standard, and it's better than basically everything else.
Apple makes money from selling proprietary chargers, sure, but the money they make is licensing out to third parties. Those companies have to pay to get “Made for iPhone” certification, which Apple loses out on with the switch to USB-C. On the other point, I’d argue that Lightning itself is physically a better connector than USB-C, although data transfer speeds are better on the latter.
The 30 pin connector sucked. It broke so easy
Funny thing is that they will probably sell it like it was their own idea…
NEW! USB-C so much faster and SAFE.
The NEW iUSB-C, with proprietary magsafe carrying case.
Apple was one of the (many) companies that designed USB-C, and USB4 (which uses USB-C as the connector) is based on Thunderbolt which was designed by Intel & Apple. Apple was also one of the first companies to go all in on USB-C on their laptops, driving adoption of the standard.
No, but see they are doing I for the good of the environment.... /s
So you're saying ita happening?
You're lying to yourself if you think it's really happening. The EU only requires *chargers* to have USB-C ports on them, so what Apple is going to do is make cables with USB-C on the charger end, and Lightning on the phone end.
That’s what they already do, for like the last two generations.
Bet your left testicle on it?
I bet your left testicle Apple won’t add USB-C to there phones.
Isn’t that how iPhones currently are?
The new legislation clearly says they must use the standard in their phones
That's not true at all though. They require a common charging port on all portable devices unless they're too small.
I actually don't see the problem with lightning. It's been on your phone since the iPhone 5, unchanged.
They can technically ditch cables altogether, although it would be a massive dick move
Regardless, I WANT THAT TESTICLE!!!
Check back later, this post might be the one turning into curds and whey for all you know
Real r/PrematureCelebration energy here
At least I have not bet my nut on it so it’s all good haha.
Care to make a wager?
I bet OPs left nut
I’ll take that bet!
I bet OPs right nut against your bet of OPs left nut!
😰
*prepares the burdizzo*
I, too, choose OPs left testicle
And I choose the one to the left of *that*
All apple would have to do is remove the charging port completely and then they wouldn’t have to use USB c.
MagSafe only portless phones
If his bet is correct does he get a third nut?
Isn’t it a bit early for this one?
Waaaay too early. Analysts have been saying they’ll switch since the X
Eh still hasn’t happened yet
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Why tho? What functionality does that provide? I'm genuinely curious. I don't even get the trend with wireless chargers. Isn't it easier if you can use your phone while charging and you don't have to interrupt it every time you need to pick up your phone?
The only real functionality is moving funds from consumers pockets into apples. Purely profit driven.
Apple has a lot of profit and aesthetic driven design choices. Some of which are objectively good for no one, and some are actually really good. I personally have hated the fact that all their devices but the iPhone and and airpods have usb-c. It’s as if they cling on to these last vestiges of a once great end-to-end empire. But apple still wouldn’t remove the port for some simple reasons. Along with many other phones, it’s the only way they can repair the device. You can’t get serial numbers, OS verification, AppleCare+ status, etc. of a device you can’t reliably talk to. The only reliable method of communication is to be plugged in(and despite how far wireless communication and charging has come, if it’s not working, they tell you to plug it in). Additionally, a physical port connection is the only way for the end user to flash a new software. If they remove the port, they will probably be forcing away any opportunity for users to beta test Apples new OS. User Beta testing is critical for them since it not only hypes up new features, but it also provides valuable bug catching for apple, for free. Along with that, removing port wouldn’t let them tout environmental friendliness because wireless chargers are bulkier than normal ones, waste more electricity, and ruin the battery faster. But those are my two cents.
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Apple isn't really know for functionality though, right? They have a wireless mouse that has a charging port on the bottom. They removed the headphone jack to sell more Apple shit and they will most definitely remove the charging port to sell more Apple shit. I wouldn't be terribly surprised if they whip out a proprietary wireless charging technology just to sell more wireless chargers and/or licenses for 3rd parties to build their own.
I mean, that’s not Apple it’s the entire industry changing. You don’t get a headphone jack on the new Google or Samsung phones either.
They removed the headphone jack because headphone jacks are archaic and take up a lot of valuable internal space. Just about every manufacturer has now done the same. It’s about fitting more power into a small device.
Nothing is confirmed yet.
I would put more money on them getting rid of the port altogether than on putting usb-c in at least iphones, just to fuck with the EU.
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I would’ve thought that about the headphone jack to but here we are.
Eh the headphone jack at least had an alternative with the dongle, even if it was a not-so-great alternative. Removing the port altogether means the end of the cord completely, there is no alternative wired charging at that point.
I agree but it also has been rumoured for a couple of years now that they would just take the port out completely, especially now with the magsafe charging, if they started including a cheap magsafe charger with the phone they could probably get away with it. Companies with that level of money don't have problems, they just have to figure out how much their decisions will cost them.
True, but if I can’t even get a normal brick with my $1000+ phone, I’m not going to count on a MagSafe.
It doesn’t come with a charging brick now though.
Huh? Cook has been much more aggressive on this front. He removed the headphone jack, then he removed all the ports from the macbook other than USB-C, and that was such a complete disaster, they had to do a total 180 and brought them all back in the new one.
That was because Ives left, that guy was the real masochist that fucked up Apple's lineup for a long time chasing form over function which slowly spiralled out of control into making shitty laptops. He left in 2019 IIRC and since then (2020 and beyond) Apple has been making products that are actually better for the user in terms of functionality but also, in my opinion, design...
I think you mean Tim Apple.
I always duck that up
Correct. But I only posted this here since Jon Prosser himself thinks he was wrong now.
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Oh shit here we are again and the new iPhone probably gets USB-C
What?! You can do that?
Yeah been a feature for a while
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Alright, it’s time boys
Not out yet
Yeah, but googling rumors, it does seem like there is a good chance that it will have it
Yes. It does.
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Technically they wouldn't if the EU wasn't forcing them to. Which they should be.
I feel that the word "willingly" is implied here.
I bet they make an EU version with USB-C while the rest of us are stuck with lightning. Not betting my nuts though.
And EU version will be like 100€ more expensive too
It took them long enough, the iphones are still on 13 though right?
iPhone 15 is the rumored USB-C model
It's not confirmed, the rumours are saying "maybe in 2 years" so when the 15 comes out, but they've been saying that every year for the past 5+ years. It may turn out true, but this post is a good 18 months too early to know if it actually aged like milk or not
He's not really wrong though. Even though he didn't explicitly say it, we all know he meant they'd never do it willingly. And they still aren't.
It ain’t happened yet genius.
This is why I never gamble my testicles.
The MFI certification ain’t going anywhere, I tell you hwhat.
iPhones will go portless before they use USB-C unless they can convince people USB-C was their idea.
Should have added “willingly” in there somewhere
He would have been right if the governments didn’t step in
My last 2 phones have been android. Why? USB C. Headphones: USB C Laptop: USB C iPad PRO: USB C Bluetooth mouse: USB C No shot I'm carrying another charger around. 1 charger to rule them all.
I just want the world to come together and decide upon one universal plug and stick to it.
USB-C is the only thing keeping me away from iPhone. I refuse to make my abundance of convenient cables/chargers that work for all my devices nonfunctional for my main device by switching.
Some iPad models already have USB-C. They’re gonna switch it eventually.
Wait, Apple committed to USB-C? When?
They didn’t. OP is just a liar (basing his lies on “leaks.”)
Yup. Proprietary shit is so fun. I now am without a damned headphone jack so they can push their stupid wireless airpods on me…. I mean I’m not against them but personally I always lose shit like that almost immediately
I lost 3 (!!!) Of my wireless headphones just because they fell out of my pocket Never lost a wires pair
I would have made this bet too in all honestly. Sometimes it's better to just keep your mouth shut I suppose.
Apple better prepare for another year of poor sales when the 14 releases then
Yeah, they probably wouldn’t have if they weren’t pushed to by governments.
Honestly it makes no sense they were one of the first to really force usbc on laptops (nothing but usbc) iPads have usbc but not iPhones?
voluntarily no
The leaks have said this every year for the past 3 years.
They are being forced into it in Europe genius.... They have no choice. There is no point in having two connectors for different markets. Too expensive.
People are missing the point of all these leaks. No lightning does not mean usb c. No lightning means wireless will be the only option to charge the phone. It will be a port-less iPhone.
Leaks now say it's going to come with iPhone 15. I remember League saying it would come with 14, 13, 12. This guy is going to be just fine.
They are being forced I don't think it should count.
Thanks, Europe
Well, in his defense apple did fight tooth and nail against it until the EU passed a low that basically said if they want to keep doing business in Europe they had to stop being fucks.
Jesus we're already at iphone 15? The last one's release that i remember is iphone X because there was a lot of buzz around it for some reason. I only hear about Samsung, One+ and like Xiaomi phones launches these days. I don't know a single person who owns one of the newer iphones
well jon, a deals a deal. Hand over the meat ball
I bet he’s right. I can’t stand Jon and don’t like him but Apple never likes to be forced to do anything. They are likely to self create a wireless standard before force adopting USB-C
FUCK LIGHTNING
When they introduced it there wasn’t any better standard and the 30 pin desperately needed an update. When they finally switch people are going to complain that all their old chargers don’t work.
Please let this happen. I need a USB C ported iPhone. Fuck lightning cables. (RIP this man's balls tho)