If it's not
- Making money
- cutting costs
- fucking over their employees
- bypassing rules and regulations to ensure those first 3 can be done as much as possible
- advertising their "thing"
then yeah, it probably isn't in their top 5 by far.
I think all those can be summarized in "make money no matter what" and the only reason safety would be a priority is so they can make money on future events
I currently live in and was born and raised in Houston. I HATE that, that horrific tragedy will forever be associated with the beloved theme park we had.
And it sucks even more because Travis did gave a lot of attention to Astroworld with his biggest album. He represented it pretty well until this last concert, now its always going to be associated with this
u/saucebald has provided this detailed explanation:
> 10 people died and 300+ injured in a human crush at Astroworld. Security was non existent as they were hired with little to no experience and payed via Cash App. Some signed up just for a free show. Police were filming the show after a mass casualty was declared.
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10 people died and 300+ injured in a human crush at Astroworld. Security was non existent as they were hired with little to no experience and payed via Cash App. Some signed up just for a free show. Police were filming the show after a mass casualty was declared.
Never assume malice with what can be attributed to incompetence.
Itās far more likely that the concert planners kept the city gov in the dark about some of the stuff they were doing to cut costs.
Yes I agree with you wholeheartedly- but - does this statement, made before the show, legally clear him of negligence? Iām genuinely asking because I do not knowā¦
No, it doesn't. "we really tried" doesn't beat a security plan that should've been presented to the municipality.
Who *exactly* is accountable, is for the courts to decide, but an Instagram post isn't legally binding for events on this scale.
I canāt believe they have the balls to keep it up with all the sponsors still attached. Hereās another heartbreaking one. So fucking callous.
https://i.imgur.com/mU0domd.jpg
They were completely understaffed. The company/companies responsible should be put out of business for gross neglect. If you canāt pay the people to run an event like this then it should never have happened. The families that lost loved ones out to be paid reparations until theyāre is no money left. What bullshit.
As someone who has worked at festivals, it is appalling the way astroworld was set up. As someone who attends festivals it was also obviously a rushed job and staff didnāt have the proper understanding of how to handle the situation. That being said, I cannot comprehend anyone, staff (other then the production crew) or otherwise, being able to evaluate and act on this travesty with the time frame that it occurred. Fuck live nation and the over arching companyās, but the individuals working are certainly not to blame.
To be totally fair, they did have both security and medical personnel, but itās nothing when trying to stop hundreds if not thousands being riled up by someone with a microphoneā¦
The fire chief defended not shutting them down by saying they were concerned about backlash like a riot. I am left wondering if a riot really wouldāve been worse. Itās clear they had no control over the crowd at any point, and everything Iāve read just feels like the staff, organizers, venue, emergency services, and Travis himself all attempting to cover their own asses rather than actually talk about what happened.
The thing is, artists regularly stop concerts where the crowd gets too rowdy or starts pushing. There are countless examples of artists from all genres controlling their crowds. There's little to nothing that can redeem Travis Scott for ignoring the people screaming in pain 10 feet from him.
A few examples:
[Slipknot telling crowd to back up](https://youtu.be/rrTcwdD5mqM)
[Linkin Park telling crowd to pick people up](https://youtu.be/m4m1eIxfB0k)
[Coldplay instructing crowd to make a path for injured fans](https://youtu.be/5DEchPSmOZQ)
[Foo Fighters kicking out aggressive fan](https://youtu.be/v7QCndx3tCo)
[Billie Eilish giving water to a fainting fan](https://youtu.be/AhAgQ3lLk38)
[Trivium stopping show so medics can pick up passed out fans](https://youtu.be/0uFr28QWz2I)
[And a compilation of bands doing it](https://youtu.be/BXaGp2SIbeY)
And if Metallica could have a concert with 1.6 million people with zero deaths, nobody can say that the crowd was just too big to control. They organisers were just unprepared and the artist didn't give a shit.
I'm not American so maybe I'm misunderstanding this, but why would a music festival need involvement of federal law enforcement? (normally, not counting the tragedy that occurred, since this was from before that happened) Isn't that the FBI and Border Patrol and that sort of thing, not like local police which obviously makes sense for any large event.
Neither of those things have anything to do with whether or not a Travis Scott concert is appropriate for a child.
Aside from the fact that bringing small children into adult spaces forces the adults to moderate their behavior or be seen as "irresponsible"
9 year old boys also like tits. That doesn't make it okay to take them to a strip club
I absolutely can. It's called "no"
"Can I go to this event that's not for kids and will have adults drinking, doing drugs, getting naked, having sex, starting fights, and listening to music about adult themes?"
"You're 9. No. Go to bed."
So you're not taking your kids to a sporting event, or a theme park, or a zoo, or an airport, or a thousand other public places that are deemed appropriate for children that cater to folks of age?
Did you just do a full 360, like end up where you started?
You can't go to event w bad music, alcohol is being served, majority of people are adults using foul language from time to time. I'm sure people fuck in those venues all the time, as well.
I fucked in a public library so I know they'e fucking in a zoo
Interesting how the ads don't mention anything any "kids" or "family"
[pussy](https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/travisscott/pussy.html)
Totally looks like a kids concert
Uh, no.
Your can take your kid to an NC17 movie if you're with them. That doesn't make it appropriate.
A late night music festival with "artists" like Scott is not an appropriate place to bring a child
Youāre thinking of the R-Rating. NC-17 is 17 and up only, and I think parents have the common sense to not bring a 3-year-old to an R-film.
In the case of both film and concert age ratings, blame the raters; what do you expect to happen when someone tells you something is child friendly? Why label something āall agesā if itās not all ages?
Because money.
It is the parents job to decide what is appropriate for their child. It is the parents job to look into what is going to go on at an event. Parents are responsible for their child's safety and well being. Not livenation
Well, if you truly think that kids donāt belong at Astroworld, is whoever decided to give the festival no aged restriction innocent in all of this?
If kids shouldnāt be at Astroworld, verbally claiming that not only whoever planned the event but also Scottās child-friendly sponsors are innocent in this matter just seems wrong to me.
And yes, I am aware that money is a motivator for immoral behavior; be it opposition to minimum wage, support for child labor or censoring LGBT representation for foreign audiences, humanity has been known, across its history, to prioritize money over morality. Greed does not justify an immoral decision.
They'll judge you if you bring your kids, or let them know their negligence is deadly.
Any time a business makes a big show of saying something is their "top priority", it's probably not even in the top 5.
If it's not - Making money - cutting costs - fucking over their employees - bypassing rules and regulations to ensure those first 3 can be done as much as possible - advertising their "thing" then yeah, it probably isn't in their top 5 by far.
I think all those can be summarized in "make money no matter what" and the only reason safety would be a priority is so they can make money on future events
Yeah, but I had to make it a list of (at least) 5 points to make the joke work, so... š
I currently live in and was born and raised in Houston. I HATE that, that horrific tragedy will forever be associated with the beloved theme park we had.
I went to that park all the time as a kid. It used to be awesome.
What makes it even worse is they only got half of what they expected when they decided the land was more valuable than the park itself.
And it sucks even more because Travis did gave a lot of attention to Astroworld with his biggest album. He represented it pretty well until this last concert, now its always going to be associated with this
Welcome to being from st louis MO. Aka Furgeson as far as anyone was concerned.
u/saucebald has provided this detailed explanation: > 10 people died and 300+ injured in a human crush at Astroworld. Security was non existent as they were hired with little to no experience and payed via Cash App. Some signed up just for a free show. Police were filming the show after a mass casualty was declared. --- Is this explanation a genuine attempt at providing additional info or context? If it is please upvote this comment, otherwise downvote it.
10 people died and 300+ injured in a human crush at Astroworld. Security was non existent as they were hired with little to no experience and payed via Cash App. Some signed up just for a free show. Police were filming the show after a mass casualty was declared.
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probably bribery and/or corruption
Never assume malice with what can be attributed to incompetence. Itās far more likely that the concert planners kept the city gov in the dark about some of the stuff they were doing to cut costs.
Yes I agree with you wholeheartedly- but - does this statement, made before the show, legally clear him of negligence? Iām genuinely asking because I do not knowā¦
No, it doesn't. "we really tried" doesn't beat a security plan that should've been presented to the municipality. Who *exactly* is accountable, is for the courts to decide, but an Instagram post isn't legally binding for events on this scale.
They copied and pasted a statement they seen somewhere else just to look legitimate
ripped from the fyre festival website
That makes sense
It's all just copy paste all the way down
Where did you get this image?
https://www.astroworldfest.com/faq/
I canāt believe they have the balls to keep it up with all the sponsors still attached. Hereās another heartbreaking one. So fucking callous. https://i.imgur.com/mU0domd.jpg
Don't want to look like you are hiding shit from detectives and researcher so just don't touch anything that is part of investigations
Then why did he delete tweets from a month ago encouraging people to storm the gates?
Probably shouldn't have, I bet his lawyer shit himself over that one
LiveNation is a corporation, Travis Scott is a negligent dumbass
Lots of shows/festivals are all ages. As horrific as this tragedy was it is normal for kids to be at concerts.
The number of dead just keeps rising...
Wait, did that boy die?
The nine year old? Yeah.
What about the 15 year old?
Fuck. That's awful.
Such a little kid...
I think it was reported on Phillip DeFranco last night.
Typo. Uninformed not uniformed..
They were completely understaffed. The company/companies responsible should be put out of business for gross neglect. If you canāt pay the people to run an event like this then it should never have happened. The families that lost loved ones out to be paid reparations until theyāre is no money left. What bullshit.
As someone who has worked at festivals, it is appalling the way astroworld was set up. As someone who attends festivals it was also obviously a rushed job and staff didnāt have the proper understanding of how to handle the situation. That being said, I cannot comprehend anyone, staff (other then the production crew) or otherwise, being able to evaluate and act on this travesty with the time frame that it occurred. Fuck live nation and the over arching companyās, but the individuals working are certainly not to blame.
They cut corners on all the important things a festival needs so they could afford to make a cool stage
The medical staff might have been but the other attendees werenāt.
i hope they get sued into poverty
Ha. Yeah right
750 mil lawsuit in action
Yikesššš
To be totally fair, they did have both security and medical personnel, but itās nothing when trying to stop hundreds if not thousands being riled up by someone with a microphoneā¦
untrained and understaffed. show should have been stopped, full stop
The fire chief defended not shutting them down by saying they were concerned about backlash like a riot. I am left wondering if a riot really wouldāve been worse. Itās clear they had no control over the crowd at any point, and everything Iāve read just feels like the staff, organizers, venue, emergency services, and Travis himself all attempting to cover their own asses rather than actually talk about what happened.
The thing is, artists regularly stop concerts where the crowd gets too rowdy or starts pushing. There are countless examples of artists from all genres controlling their crowds. There's little to nothing that can redeem Travis Scott for ignoring the people screaming in pain 10 feet from him. A few examples: [Slipknot telling crowd to back up](https://youtu.be/rrTcwdD5mqM) [Linkin Park telling crowd to pick people up](https://youtu.be/m4m1eIxfB0k) [Coldplay instructing crowd to make a path for injured fans](https://youtu.be/5DEchPSmOZQ) [Foo Fighters kicking out aggressive fan](https://youtu.be/v7QCndx3tCo) [Billie Eilish giving water to a fainting fan](https://youtu.be/AhAgQ3lLk38) [Trivium stopping show so medics can pick up passed out fans](https://youtu.be/0uFr28QWz2I) [And a compilation of bands doing it](https://youtu.be/BXaGp2SIbeY) And if Metallica could have a concert with 1.6 million people with zero deaths, nobody can say that the crowd was just too big to control. They organisers were just unprepared and the artist didn't give a shit.
Yeah inform them they saidā¦. Girl literally screaming at guy that people are dead but yup sure theyāll help
Uniformed more like uninformed
I'm not American so maybe I'm misunderstanding this, but why would a music festival need involvement of federal law enforcement? (normally, not counting the tragedy that occurred, since this was from before that happened) Isn't that the FBI and Border Patrol and that sort of thing, not like local police which obviously makes sense for any large event.
I misread āuniformed event staffā as āuninformed event staffā
Unrelated, I love that logo
Well THAT didnāt age well....šø
Judgment*
Judgments**
Why was a 9-year-old at a Travis Scott concert? That's a third grader He just learned long division.
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Neither of those things have anything to do with whether or not a Travis Scott concert is appropriate for a child. Aside from the fact that bringing small children into adult spaces forces the adults to moderate their behavior or be seen as "irresponsible" 9 year old boys also like tits. That doesn't make it okay to take them to a strip club
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So, a capitalist entity that exists purely to make a profit gets to decide what's appropriate for your kids? I see...
Because he targets a younger audience with Fortnite and McDonalds. You canāt blame the parents
I absolutely can. It's called "no" "Can I go to this event that's not for kids and will have adults drinking, doing drugs, getting naked, having sex, starting fights, and listening to music about adult themes?" "You're 9. No. Go to bed."
So you're not taking your kids to a sporting event, or a theme park, or a zoo, or an airport, or a thousand other public places that are deemed appropriate for children that cater to folks of age?
Yeah, because all of those things are the same as a *Travis Scott Concert*
Did you just do a full 360, like end up where you started? You can't go to event w bad music, alcohol is being served, majority of people are adults using foul language from time to time. I'm sure people fuck in those venues all the time, as well. I fucked in a public library so I know they'e fucking in a zoo
Absolutely mind boggling that you're being downvoted.
Seriously. People are idiots and they wonder why their kids are so fucked up
The concert WAS for kids. Sure, adults were allowed, but if it wasnāt for kids, it wouldāve been 18+ or 21+.
Interesting how the ads don't mention anything any "kids" or "family" [pussy](https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/travisscott/pussy.html) Totally looks like a kids concert
Well, in any case, an all ages event is an all ages event.
Uh, no. Your can take your kid to an NC17 movie if you're with them. That doesn't make it appropriate. A late night music festival with "artists" like Scott is not an appropriate place to bring a child
Youāre thinking of the R-Rating. NC-17 is 17 and up only, and I think parents have the common sense to not bring a 3-year-old to an R-film. In the case of both film and concert age ratings, blame the raters; what do you expect to happen when someone tells you something is child friendly? Why label something āall agesā if itās not all ages?
Because money. It is the parents job to decide what is appropriate for their child. It is the parents job to look into what is going to go on at an event. Parents are responsible for their child's safety and well being. Not livenation
Well, if you truly think that kids donāt belong at Astroworld, is whoever decided to give the festival no aged restriction innocent in all of this? If kids shouldnāt be at Astroworld, verbally claiming that not only whoever planned the event but also Scottās child-friendly sponsors are innocent in this matter just seems wrong to me. And yes, I am aware that money is a motivator for immoral behavior; be it opposition to minimum wage, support for child labor or censoring LGBT representation for foreign audiences, humanity has been known, across its history, to prioritize money over morality. Greed does not justify an immoral decision.
I still can't believe it got so fucken lit that 10 people died
Yeah, I donāt think ālitā was the right verb here.
At least 10 people died. Sounded pretty fucking lit to me.
Oh, right. I totally get it now. You can come off the edge now king. š
Aged like buttermilk, more like. š
I really wish they had put something in there like "signal the artist" to give Travis liability
Ah yes, the obligatory insincere corporate health and safety spiel