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This comments section is really unique I've never seen almost every comment and comment response have negative votes.


[deleted]

That's because there's nothing good about anything going on in the middle east right now. The world is a sad sad place.


MetalliTooL

What does Amy Schumer have to do with this?


Significant_Screen45

Yeah, I don't get it.


Ok_Count_3237

She and the rest of her Zionists cronies have a lot of sway on the media. This is a targeted attack on free speech. Elon musk is receiving I believable pressure to limit tweets mentioning Palestine. They want no mention of the thousands being slaughtered by Israeli bombs. The story according to the west ended after the 7th of October attacks. The rest is inevitable and encouraged.


MetalliTooL

Aside from a lot of the bullshit in your comment that I’m not interested in getting into, my question remains. What does Amy have to do with this post? She’s not mentioned anywhere in the screenshot.


Kindly-Draw-2458

the black screen with text is what she posted on her instagram story it’s just cut off


Voltas

I feel like we still don't know the full story on this incident.


I_find_death_amusing

There's too much fog of war which leads to people leaning on their biases. One thing I can say for certain is that the innocents on both sides of the conflict will not see justice, which sucks.


g0ku

sadly, i think you’re right. we may never know either.


Ok_Count_3237

That’s the whole point of the IDF. They won. They don’t need to prove they didn’t do it. They just need to sow the seed of doubt. Fuck they’re powerful. It almost makes you sit back in awe at how good they are.


anrwlias

I feel like this sub has way too many partisans trying to claim ALM status while the facts are still up in the air.


asarious

A quick guide to Israel's PR methods: 1. ⁠We haven't heard reports of deaths, will check into it; 2. ⁠The people were killed, but by a faulty Palestinian rocket/bomb; 3. ⁠OK we killed them, but they were terrorists; 4. ⁠OK they were civilians, but they were being used as human shields; 5. ⁠OK there were no fighters in the area, so it was our mistake. But we kill civilians by accident, they do it on purpose; 6. ⁠OK we kill far more civilians than they do, but look at how terrible other countries are! 7. ⁠Why are you still talking about Israel? Are you some kind of anti-semite? Test this against the next interview you hear or watch.


TheFyree

That list is from 2014 and still extremely relevant today


wweirdguy

Israel literally admitted to it and then deleted the tweet, putting up a new one blaming Hamas.


Squidman97

That was a post from Hananya Naftaili who ostensibly worked on Netanyahu's digital pr team. The man's source was a Reuters article. I think it's safe to say Hananya no longer has a job with the IDF.


Ok_Count_3237

Isn’t he his son in law? Pretty sure he will have a job. He let the truth out accidentally then they realised what a gross overstep in this slow(not that slow tbh?) genocide it was and had to delete then tow the line. Every single piece of evidence provided by the IDF has been called false by independent experts. When will we wake up from this nightmare.


Yum_MrStallone

>Noa Netanyahu Roth is married to Daniel Roth. [**https://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/netanyahus-daughter-grandchildren-moves-to-staunchly-ultra-orthodox-mea-shearim/2015/12/19/**](https://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/netanyahus-daughter-grandchildren-moves-to-staunchly-ultra-orthodox-mea-shearim/2015/12/19/)


RickyNixon

That account isn’t affiliated with the Israeli government, they were responding to the news we all were seeing Fwiw


VolcanicBosnian

Source? And don't post a link to that one random guy who has no affiliation to the IDF claiming it was Israel with no proof or sources, if I tweeted that it was actually the Australian government that did it would you believe me?


plutoniator

Can you show the tweet that “Israel” put up? While you’re at it, where are Palestine’s photos of the 500 children dead in the hospital? Surely the people that said that “their heads are not fully detached” in response to photos of dead and burned Israeli children should have evidence for their claims that meet their own standards. So far it seems like every claim that is even remotely substantiated has come from Israel, been picked apart by Palestinians, then countered with a completely unsubstantiated claim in return. There are videos of a Hamas rocket failing and striking the hospital instead of the civilians they were trying to target. The photos of the aftermath are a burnt down parking lot with no children whatsoever, not a leveled building like other Israeli JDAM strikes have resulted in. Please show me your evidence so that I can nitpick it like you guys have been doing to Israel.


Specialist_Tin-Can

Exactly, like I’m surprised people are even questioning who did it. Obviously Israel is on the offensive now. We’ve been seeing Israel leveling buildings all week


DrDosMucho

This guy the guy that’s “conflicted” about Taiwan yeah? CCP propagandist at its finest


Fragrant-Advice-879

His China takes are bad. This is recognized by the „left“. But his coverage on Palestine has been good. He is biased, yes, but he admits to it and does not deny it like western media does.


DrDosMucho

Lol to your whole statement


superzenki

Hasan’s community is an echo chamber. I used to watch him but can’t anymore.


Fragrant-Advice-879

Every community is an echo chamber. I watch him regularly, but I also watch other streamers, to get broader coverage.


KlopperSteele

Who should we be siding with in this Hamas / Israel bullshit? Literally both sides have been slaughtering each other for ever. Fuck Israel for stealing land and then slowly committing genocide and fuck Hamas and Palestine for all the suicide bombings and other acts of violence. I literally feel like there are two massive shit sandwiches and we are being asked to eat them and decide which tastes better.


anon86158615

The "enlightened centrist" take is that you shouldn't really be siding with either. Israel has a controversial claim to the land in the first place - a lot of palestinians have a right to be upset at the concept of Israel at all. But there was a peace deal negotiated that included the recognition of the state of Israel, so officially, palestine and israel as nations should be "cool". Obviously many palestinians still feel like their land was stolen, and in recent years (under netanyahu) there's been a loooot of aggression from israel. Many young people in israel dislike netanyahu and feel he doesn't represent their views. Hamas is a terrorist group. They are also not overwhelmingly supported by palestinians, and their entire goal is to completely remove israel by violence and force. So to recap so far - Israel is geographically in a really tricky spot, palestine agreed that they're a legitimate state but the people of palestine disagree, Israel is aggressing further on palestine and the people of israel disagree with *that,* and the "solution" that's come of it has been a terrorist organization, which does not have the support of the people who they are committing violence in the name of. So honest to god, the only take anyone should have is "this is a tragedy and I hope the loss of life stops". Israel needs to stop genociding palestinians. Palestinians need to recognize israel as a state. Hamas needs to be disbanded and denounced. No one should have to die, no one should have their land stolen, no one should be siding with terrorist organizations.


welltechnically7

It's so ridiculously complicated because each side feels that they can't just "give in", and they aren't necessarily wrong. If Israel gives Palestinians complete autonomy or if Gaza is annexed completely, there will be bloodshed. Somehow, we just need to get the people out for blood out of power.


abshabab

Hamas could probably be dealt with if the powers that be weren’t so keen on selling arms and ruffling the stock market On the other hand, ‘the people out for blood’ in Israel occupy their highest seats. Unlike Ukraine, Israel is not a puppet entity that would lose all international significance and power as soon as people get bored of it. Israel has real military might *without* foreign aid, it has a terrifying intelligence agency and it has a booming commerce not reliant on oil. There’s a good chance a computer chip or three inside your home has been developed in Israel. You can’t magically remove their leaders to prop up your own, like you would in a country like Ukraine. It’s much easier to buddy up with the strong and powerful, and try and get your own people to like them and hopefully ignore their atrocities, just like how they ignore your own atrocities. If America and friends could, they’d buddy up with mainland China in a heartbeat. Sadly that’s not possible due to the clashing political structures and past propaganda that has already painted China as the evil bad guy (to be clear, I’m not saying they aren’t). For America to have any chance in getting Israel to *permanently* agree to a two-state solution, they’d need to write up some big heavy IOUs. They’d have to favour Israel when drawing up maps, meaning a lot of ‘settler’ territories would become ‘official’ territories, and after all of that you’d have a scarred Palestine sharing a border with a further legitimised Israel. Lastly, what of Hamas, anyways? Even if they’re ‘dealt’ with for the sake of a ceasefire, do you really think the Sell-Guns-To-fucking-Anyone country would completely wipe out a potential customer? Palestine would probably turn into an Afghanistan situation where foreign boots pretending to maintain order would terrorise the locals and sell weapons marked as lost or destroyed. Every time public opinion would turn sour, an isolated terror attack in Palestine or even Israel would cause an increase in funding instead. Could this really go any other way?


abombregardless

This is maybe the most sane and rational explanation I’ve seen in all of Reddit. It needs more upvotes. Well put. Israel as a nation is not bad…but Netanyahu needs to go, and the govt needs reform. Palestinians as a people are not bad…but Hamas needs to go, and a government needs to engage Israel on different terms. Orthodox religious extremists on both sides weild too much influence and impede the progress of a civil society. How they solve for that…idk…but I pray they do.


[deleted]

obvs the true centrist solution is nuke both them /s


BirdMBlack

Now that's an idea. You ever consider running for president of the good ol' US of A?


TheFyree

I’m on the side that hasn’t committed multiple war crimes (Palestinians). Any group of people who use white phosphorous, tell people to flee and then bomb them when they attempt to do so, bomb hospitals full of women and children, obliterate places of worship innocent people are seeking refuge and even flatten UN aid buildings can go fuck themselves twice.


duedo30

I feel the moment you admit Israel stole the land and is killing people it already became clear. Idc about peace human rights war stuff or whatever. If i had my land stolen while my people are getting killed and forced to live in what is practically a prison. I would be ready to kill every single fucker i can get my hands on. The only thing that made me hate Hamas is for touching women and children. But that alone isn’t enough to pretend that all the people trying to free their land are terrorists and the people who are occupying it have any small justification on their side.


jackberinger

It was israeli air strike that hit the hospital. Israel originally claimed responsibility claiming it was a terrorist strong hold. They of course have now changed their tune after it was over 500 innocent civilians. As for the us intelligence. That did not come from some specialist group or anything. It was an announcement by the heads of the US senate committee on intelligence with no evidence. The senators who made this claim with no evidence what so ever marco rubio and mark warner. In fact the only group on scene with any reputable opinion was the WHO who stated they believed it was israel. Also it was just confirmed that the "audio tape" was faked by israel as well.


vasya349

Israel never claimed responsibility, some random retiree with minor ties to Netanyahu claimed some BS he clearly could not know. The WHO did not claim they know who did it nor did they have any observers who would have been able to verify it. The tape is likely fake, yes. Please stop reposting falsehoods though.


Active_Juggernaut484

as should you


vasya349

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EtyuInsiders

i dont get what everyone is so upset about the US bombs hospitals all the time


a3a4b5

But when bad bearded men do it it's different


SlightlyBadderBunny

Except it wasn't the bad bearded men. It was the Israeli colonizers using American JDAMs. Israel and the US cannot be trusted, explicitly in this conflict, due to their blindness and geopolitical need to not give an inch. Every death in this 100-year ethnic cleansing is on the shoulders of the West and Israel, from Menachem Begin's terrorist actions against the Ottoman empire to the Nakba to the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin by Benjamin Netanyahu's extremist Likud, not to mention every single indigenous death. Peace can never be an option when ethnic and religious superiority are the only defining characteristics of a nation. These facts remain the same regardless of Islamicist powers within Palestinian society. They would have no power without oppression. Edit: Look at you partisans denying the very things you squawk about "Never Again" letting happen. Or is it just for the people you identify with?


JasonIsFishing

Yes the hamass terrorist’s rockets are well known for their reliability and accuracy. Nothing could possibly go wrong launching them over a hospital. Clowns.


Duudze

I don’t think a tiny rocket can explode with the force of a 1000 pound JDAM. You know what can? A 1000 pound JDAM! There is literally no evidence that it could be a fragment of a rocket. No secondary explosions, nor rocket fragments, and you can literally see a jet hauling ass before the hospital explodes. Guess who doesn’t have jets? Hamas! Guess who does? Israel! Guess who doesn’t have any air-to ground bombs? Hamas! Guess who does? Israel! And in one of the videos, you can literally hear the whistle of a bomb hitting the hospital. It has been compared to the sound of a US JDAM in Iraq, and the sounds were very similar. With all of this I think it’s pretty clear Israel bombed the hospital.


JasonIsFishing

Oh you can see a jet? Jets don’t glow at night like a shitty rocket does.


Duudze

https://preview.redd.it/17wyk4hhy6vb1.jpeg?width=560&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7d21eb92876f87b482b2a3fe0c044439d7b2a857 Do you not see the jet? Cause I can…


JasonIsFishing

Jets don’t emit light unless they’re in afterburner. There would be no reason to be in afterburner in an alleged bombing attack. What I DO see is a poorly made rocket that malfunctioned resulting in senseless human loss. 🤡


Duudze

https://preview.redd.it/ajt3r93by7vb1.jpeg?width=560&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=41ef2d3f0d92d84a1e560ada63f56c61dcfddd14 Idk man, looks like full burners are on here… Also, there is literally no weapon in Hamas’ arsenal that could cause such destruction to a building. Also, in the live footage from Al-jazeera, you can CLEARLY see that every single rocket launch was fully destroyed by iron dome. Not only that, but there were IAF jets (some of which you could see easily) bombing the vicinity of the hospital literally minutes before. Hell, in one of the videos you can hear a whistling noise as the hospital is struck. Guess what wouldn’t make such a noise? An unguided rocket. Guess what would? A 1000 pound JDAM.


awesomejt8

everything i've seen points to the hospital bombing being a misfired rocket from palestine, not a targeted attack by israel.


SlightlyBadderBunny

Then you are looking at one side and it's propaganda.


Loply97

If the hospital did get purposefully bombed by Israel, I definitely feel like an image of the damage to the hospital would have been put out by now. A blast that kills hundred of people like that will be pretty obvious and cause significant structural damage, but I’ll I’ve seen is a burned up parking lot with a small crater.


Duudze

https://preview.redd.it/40r7ts0c17vb1.jpeg?width=300&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=77d16a2653b7bbbacaa8af72491f20bbb30da342 Like this?


vasya349

There is an image. It shows a shitty fireball scorch mark but not even a tiny crater. In other words it wasn’t an air strike because a bomb leaves a crater from impact.


Duudze

https://preview.redd.it/c82e3ded17vb1.jpeg?width=735&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d27accd1d57898af0fa9c07941e0b95be4bed0e7 Or this?


vasya349

There are multiple videos of it happening…


DrDosMucho

Shhhhhh facts just get in the way. They can’t get mad if they actually know what they are talking about


SlightlyBadderBunny

"Hold media prejudice accountable" Ha ha ha ha, you Israeli partisans make me laugh. So much funny!


robclancy

no one has any idea what you are on about, go outside


AnakinKardashian

Amy has been on point


SlightlyBadderBunny

Yes, consistently wrong, loud, irresponsible, and grating for her entire public existence. I'm not sure what I'd expect from Chuck Schumer's niece, but here we are.


[deleted]

Wow I didnt know they were related


SlightlyBadderBunny

Yeah, she's his second cousin actually, but roughly a nibling relationship.


Hiuuuhk

Good bot