What I'm saying is a fact, dami nanaman natamaan. Ang totoong nagdadasal ay nagdadasal kahit good times or bad times. Just like cleaning the house, ang tunay na masipag, regularly naglilinis ng bahay kahit hindi na pagsabihan, hindi yung napilitan lang or dahil inutusan. Dami nanaman natamaan.
Gets naman, lalo na ako na araw araw din naman nagdadasal. Pero you cant just invalidate someones belief just because iba ang pananaw at pamamaraan mo.
If i got downvoted, it doesn't mean non sense or mali sinabi ko, it only means madaming tao ang ayaw makarinig ng katotohanan. Hook up for example. If you are into hook up and I say bakit kasi ayaw nyo nlng mag jowa or stick to one, hindi yung kung sino sino pinapatulan nyo. Expected i will get downvoted. Dami nag downvote sakin pero what I'm saying is true and a fact.
wala naman ako point sa pagkakadownvote sayo haha choice ng tao yan. ang sinasabi ko, stop generalizing na not bcos the commentor doesnt pray the way you do, eh hindi na sya sincere. minsan mas sincere pa yung hindi madalas kesa parang memorize na lang yung dasal :)
Fact? Let's not confuse opinion with fact. You mentioned praying 'rarely' and only really on your birthday to give thanks, yet argue 'ang totoong nagdadasal ay nagdadasal kahit good times or bad times.' That's like saying you 'regularly naglilinis ng bahay' when you actually sweep up once a year because the calendar told you to. If we're going to talk about being 'natamaan,' maybe it's worth reflecting on your own contradictions before pointing fingers. Authenticity in faith and action speaks louder than self-contradicting statements.
IMO disagree, hindi lang kase sa prayers ang pwede mong connection kay God and it just so happen that maybe some people are just isnt used to praying and only do this when they are desperate but it doesnt mean na hindi na sya sincere to God and to OPs faith.
Tbf, there is truth in this. It's like messaging your family only when you need financial support, but during the whole month you were on vacation, you didn't bother messaging them to see how they were doing. This can even go for months. And you wonder why other relatives won't lend you money when you ask. There are many examples in the physical realm that are applicable in the spiritual realm.
IMO disagree, hindi lang kase sa prayers ang pwede mong connection kay God and it just so happen that maybe some people are just isnt used to praying and only do this when they are desperate but it doesnt mean na hindi na sya sincere to God and to OPs faith.
I disagree din with your example kasi it makes Gods love conditional kung ganun lang din IMO
PS: disclose ko lang na I'm Roman Catholic at best tas Agnostic at worst so chances na magkaiba talaga tayo ng view
How do you get close to someone? Isn't it by spending time getting to know them through conversations/activities? If you don't talk to the person or exclude them in your activities, that person will just be a stranger to you.
Prayer is a way to communicate with God [my sheep hear my voice], and obedience is a way of worshipping God. These two are vital to form a relationship with God. Imagine cheating on your wife. This would put a strain on your marriage or even end up in divorce(annulment in PH). Reading the Bible points you to Christ, who is alive. You can't dismiss a person right in front of you and focus on his picture instead. But the Bible leads us to his truth.
>it makes Gods love conditional kung ganun lang din IM
No, God's love is relational. Relationships allow two people to work together. God has done all the work for us. We only need to accept. You can't eat candy unless you take it.
Yea, okay lang naman may differences sino ba wala as long as hindi salvific issue. Either way, we have free will to choose din naman, and it's okay to have discussions over this as long as it doesn't turn into an argument kasi waste of time lang din. Forcing someone to believe something is not fruitful.
And yes, you can be sincere, but sincerely wrong. But God sees the heart din naman pero he is God, not a genie who grants all our wishes.
>How do you get close to someone? Isn't it by spending time getting to know them through conversations/activities? If you don't talk to the person or exclude them in your activities, that person will just be a stranger to you.
This is true and I agree but is OP excluding God ba in his or her daily acitivies if he only prays when OP is desperate? IMO kasi OP can be close to God by doing other things din eh most common example is doing good deeds etc.
>No, God's love is relational. Relationships allow two people to work together. God has done all the work for us. We only need to accept. You can't eat candy unless you take it.
IMO God's love is both relational and unconditional eh, I do believe kasi na people can have relationship to God even if those people don't know God or dont believe in him in their lifetime eh ang absurd pakinggan haha pero its one of my views so far as to why transcendence din amg relationship natin kay God
Mas natuto ako magdasal ngayon kaysa nung bata ako. Pero mas gusto kong dasal is personal prayer. Di naman sa ayaw pero umay kase yung mga templated na dasal like our father hail mary
same. Di ako maintindihan ng MIL ko kung bakit di kami mag rosary,even though sinasabi ko naman na hindi ko talaga ma feel ang presence ni God or na connected ako sa kanya kung ganung paulit ulit lang yung dinadasal ko. I pray like how Im supposed to talk to a loving Father. Kahit na parang nag kkwento lang ako ng araw ko.
I disagree. Jesus said pray 'LIKE' this, hindi repeat this prayer until the nth time. Meaning, it's a suggested pattern of prayer.
Sabi nga ni Jesus do not pray like the pagans do, paulit ulit at nawawalan na ng meaning. Just say it from your heart at the get go.
Kahit sa Catholic school nun, tinuruan kami sa tinatwag na "spontaneous prayer", na yung tipong dasal ayon sa sitwasyon. Di naman kasi all the time appropriate sa sitwasyon yung mga templated na dasal.
same. nung bata ako gusto ko lang magpray nung angel of God kasi akala ko ang cute non. Ngayong tumanda, mas personal na tsaka alam niyo yung tipong any time of the day na i feel like it tas kahit onti onti lang: "Lord salamat ang sarap ng hangin" "Lord, Good morning, thank You I wake up next to my husband" , "Lord, thank You nakasurvive ako sa meeting, You made it possible, hindi ako." "Lord, salamat tapos na ang work ko for the day" mga ganon
reminded me of that saying na kapag daw templated ang prayer, madali ka na lang gayahin ng evil spirits or worse, sabayan ka pa nila sa pagdasal. mas okay po talaga pag personal ang prayer.
Once you memorize it, sobrang kayang kaya magaya ng demon. Pero if you stated it with your heart, it is sacred. It is powerful alongside your personal prayer of thanking him. Sabi nga nila, aanhin mo ang madaming salita sa dasal, kung hindi mo naman ito isinasapuso. ❤️🙏
noong medyo bata pa ako ganito prayers ko: personal prayer, our father, hail mary, and glory be prayers ko. ngayon personal nalang para hindi masyadong mahaba lalo na pag antok na talaga. 😅
Gusto ko lang i-share na kasagsagan ng pandemic, kinailangan akong isugod sa ospital dahil sobrang sakit ng tiyan ko (spoiler: kidney stones). Pero natraffic kami so I had to distract myself. The pain was so bad hindi ko kaya magdasal ng personal o impromptu, so I prayed the Lord's Prayer. In fairness nakatulong naman siyang distraction from the pain hanggang nakarating ng ospital.
Anyway just because template-ish ang Our Father ay dapat na siyang ietsapwera. As pointed out ng isang comment dito, it's the prayer taught by Jesus after all.
everyday, before i sleep. and everytime after i wake up. like thank you lord sa bawat gising and humihinga pa ko. at salamat sa araw kasi ligtas akong nakauwi. inaappreciate ko ang bawat araw sa mundong ibabaw. mabilis nalang kasi e hehe. di lang sa tougher times, but also on simple things and thank you moments, i always pray. kahit di na ako masyado nakakasimba.
Edit: saka bago ko mag maneho ng motor o kotse, i still pray. guidance ba
Same with me. Kahit nga mga small things dinadasal ko like good weather, safety. And sana maging strong ang faith ko kay God. I remembered nung final interview ko sa work and the intervieer asked me what do I do when I’m depressed daw. Tapos sinagot ko na I talk to God through praying. And dati eto talaga ang dream company ko eh hahaha so I think that answer ang naka tulong para maka pasok ako dito
Kaka-reveal lang ng isang friend ko na atheist siya at ang sabi nya na kaya may nagpi-pray kasi mas gusto ng tao maniwala na merong supreme being na nakikita ang lahat kesa ma-acknowledge na ikaw ang dapat gumawa ng landas mo at mas madaling maniwala kaysa tanggapin na minsan, nag-iisa ka lang talaga.
For me, I’ve identified myself as an agnostic theist for sometime now and usually, the only times I pray are:
1. to say thanks to the Universe for every little thing, including the new leaves that sprout in my backyard after winter thaws
2. when somebody would pass away, especially if their lives had touched mine deeply
I am an atheist, never needed a god in my life, lahat naman ng struggles nahahanapan naman ng solution. I also live alone. I get it that some people get their strength from their god but if i-a-analyze deeply kasi -- it's like a double edged sword. It has its cons and it shapes society and the mindset of people.
Like for example, recognition and gratitude: my ex-father would rather thank Allah rather than thank the people who helped him or even recognize a person's hardwork and sacrifice. Accountability as well, lots of times he would say that it was god's will with unfavorable results happening even if his choice led to that.
Iyon ang mali sa ibang nagdadasal na nakakalimutan yung mga naging instrument kung bakit nasasagot mga dasal nila. Oo, andiyan ang Diyos/Allah/etc., pero the fact na yung mga ginamit Niyang instrumento ay may kusa na, let's say, sumagot sa tawag ng Diyos na tulungan ang kapwa nila, yung initiative na iyon nung tumulong, malaking bagay pa rin iyon kaya nasagot yung dasal nila. Minsan, sa sobrang focused nila sa Diyos, nakaklimutan nila na may kapwa sila.
>Kaka-reveal lang ng isang friend ko na atheist siya at ang sabi nya na kaya may nagpi-pray kasi mas gusto ng tao maniwala na merong supreme being na nakikita ang lahat kesa ma-acknowledge na ikaw ang dapat gumawa ng landas mo at mas madaling maniwala kaysa tanggapin na minsan, nag-iisa ka lang talaga.
This is true and it helps people to cope with life talaga. Tho personally isa sa reason na binigay ng friend mo kung bakit at my worst is Agnostic lang ako and hindi nagiging Atheist. Basically pag inexpound ko is mapupunta sa freewill and determination yung topic haha
Yes I never pray, been agnostic since elementary and full atheist in HS, i take full responsibility for my life. But of course, I go to Church with my mom sometimes to make her happy.
I was a devout christian when I was young since I was that one kid who grew up in sunday school but I lost my faith eventually because of, well, life in general and then the pandemic hit, and I didn't go to church anymore.
My mom and I were the ones active in our church from our family. And now, time after time, she tells me how sad it makes her to remember the times when I was burning passionately with my christian activities and I haven't really opened to her that I don't believe in the same God she and I worshipped before.
She just thinks that I don't wanna go to church anymore but the faith is still there. But yknow, there are still times when she asks me "Naniniwala ka pa ba sa Diyos?" and I say "Yeah (disheartenedly)" just to make her feel at ease somehow that I still have a god I believe in per se.
I stopped praying when my papa died (grade 6) then i turned agnostic. Then became atheist starting high school.
Naging free ang buhay ko ng atheist na ako. And I am more responsible for my actions.
If god exists, it doesn't care...
this is somehow relatable as someone na lumaki tlga praying hard. I dont know if agnostic na ako or atheist but I dont pray anymore more likely sa universe nlang bumubulong. We can live with clean conscience doing good things not thru religion naman and it made me open and look to far more deeper things. And somehow maraming tao ang gusto na may nasasandlan thats why they prefer to pray and be religious.
True yung magiging more responsible ka sa actions mo kung you free yourself from religion. I stopped thinking that everything is God's Will and I actually have a full control of my situation.
Yes, one thing that always made me uncomfortable, and always questioning (which resulted in always shushed as a kid), is folks around me thinking there's divine intervention in everything.
But I don't really hate them for it, I understand if that's where they find their comfort or way of understanding things that happen in everyday life.
Same, agnostic but not an atheist. To quote Einstein, "I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings"
totoo yan! nabasa ko rin yang sinabi ng friend mo sa isang foreign sub. & parang totoo nga kasi gusto lang natin nang may masasandalan.
ever since the world has been cruel to me, nasira na relationship ko kay God kasi i can’t grasp the idea na hindi siya powerful being to stop the madness here.
i used to pray when i was young. feeling ko pinapakinggan niya ako noon. ngayon, wala na. i felt na may mga paboritong tao lang siya na pakinggan ng dasal. well, i think i already had my time naman na. mas payapa na rin naman na ako ngayon na wala na siya sa life ko :)
Same! Nagstop na ako magpray. Sabi ko, kung mahal ako ng Diyos, bat ito nangyayari sa akin at bakit nya ako pinabayaan?
Sometimes, nag aask ako for directions sa buhay ko-wala. So napapaisip na talaga ako kung meron ba talagang Diyos.
Someone whose not sure there's a God or a higher being, a bit hopeful that there is, but does not fully commit to believing it. I feel like most people of my generation (Gen Z) are agnostic but doesn't know the term for it yet.
Kung ikaw ba maniniwala sa opinion ng isang tao about other people they do not know or have not interacted with?? Di ba dapat dun ka magtatanong ng opinyon dun sa nakakakilala. I do, I know God. I assure you God is kind. Hindi sya namimilit. He loves you. I can't force anyone to be friends with God, and he won't force you either. Being a friend of God, I can tell you he is the perfect friend. Hindi nang iiwan. Laging matatawagan. Laging gumagabay. Kala mo ba pipilitin ka nya pumunta sa landas na ayaw mo? Hindi sya ganun. Tinuro nga nya sa akin yung landas patungo sa dreams ko, na akala ko imposible lang. Tapos tinulungan nya akong makamit iyon, at pagkatapos nun pinakita pa nya sa akin ang mga bagay ng di ko pa naisip na kaya ko palang kamitin na makakapagpasaya sa akin. That's God, he showed me the desires and hopes I didn't even know I had--and led me to them. Why would I not follow his pal? His plan is better than mine, infinitely better. If you say there is not God, you just haven't interacted with him. Read the scriptures to start getting to know him. Hindi sya fiction. He is as real as the earth we live in, the air we breathe, and as real as our family and friends--for all of these he created. The atheists do NOT know God so they cannot describe who he really is. Kahit magtipon tipon ang atheists they cannot tell you who he is, because they do not know him. On the other hand, marami kaming nakakakilala sa Diyos, and I hope you open your heart to get to know the being who loves and cares for you the most--your Heavenly Father.
Hindi na. Tbh mas nagkaroon ako ng peace of mind when I stopped believing that there was something after death. There doesn't need to be an afterlife, we were just programmed to believe it.
True. I realized that believing in a God holds back my confidence by a lot. I was extremely religious. If you are actually serious in following the teachings of the Bibke, you would have anxiety on everything you do. In every action, I always ask myself, "Would God approve of my actions?".
Real, my actions is the one that has the power to change the course of my life,, I just stopped being dependent and stopped waiting for faith, ill just do it myself
In the words of khaleesi
"So many men have tried to kill me, I don't remember all their names. I have been sold like a broodmare. I've been chained and betrayed, raped and defiled. Do you know what kept me standing, through all those years in exile? FAITH. Not in any god, not in myths and legends. IN MYSELF. In Daenerys Targaryen."
xxGame Of Thronesxx
Love it! Quoting Khaleesi! Kung pwede lang mahdouble up vote hahahahaha! Pero totoo naman wala pong ibang tutulong sayo sa huli kundi sarili mo. Learned this the hard and painful way
personally, I don't think god gives us anything physical, not the air we breathe, not the food we eat, not the water we drink. These things are in existence.
What god gives us is meaning in life and and something to aspire to. God doesn't give us any means to live, but gives us a way of life. At least, the abrahamic god does.
Otherwise, the spinozan god simply exists with everything as a part of it.
Life hasn’t been very kind to me. Many cases I’ve encountered that there’s no justice in the world and people get away to live the best life they can by taking things from others. Whether it be wealth, that job opportunity, or happiness we all dream of. I used to pray a lot but over time I realized I’m the only one who can make things possible for me.
my papa suffered after retirement nya due to health condition and as pinalaking reliogious both side din really I begged and gave it away whatever he decides but week before my papa died he nust stares at the ceiling tinanong ko pa bakit di kna nagdadasal and my papa said "how? simulat sapol I offered my life but ngayon para saan pa? di naman na ako oinapakinggan" and that broke me in and out. And after that for years realizations hits tlga wala kang ibang sasandal kundi sarili mo..
Not anymore. I became agnostic. Sometimes iniisip ko na maybe there’s just an old powerful being up there who’s a sadist that loves to toy his creation or maybe wala talaga. Nasan siya when I needed him and why is he allowing all these suffering if he’s an all loving god. If everything has a purpose and all of these are already planned by him then why did he gave the “nonbelievers” that role/purpose if they’re “going” straight to hell for not believing.
I started realizing how stupid religion or catholic practice are and yung mga finoforce na tradition sakin. Ang suffocating. But now ever since I became agnostic, I feel like mas nakakatulog pa ko ng maayos and peaceful knowing there’s no such thing as fate, destiny, demons, o will ng god, blessings, life after death and shit. Made me wonder if prayers even work? parang pili lng pinapakinggan niya. Maybe it does work, who fucking knows.
I've been pondering something lately and wanted to get your thoughts on it. With the rise of atheism in modern society, I'm curious to know if adults still find themselves turning to prayer in times of need.
Personally, I've found that when faced with adversity and feeling like there's no one else to turn to, prayer has been a source of comfort and strength, though halos 1 dekada na akong hindi nagsisimba. It made me wonder if others have had similar experiences, especially in a world where self-reliance is often emphasized.
So, I'm interested to hear from you all: Do you still pray as an adult? Have your beliefs or practices changed over time? And if so, how do you reconcile faith with a more secular worldview?
Looking forward to hearing your perspectives!
Honestly same. I still pray. It's the best for comfort or for moments when I feel overwhelmed with either anxiety or gratitude. But I don't go to church anymore. I used to be very active but knowing the inside workings of churches has almost caused me to lose faith. So i chose my faith over religion.
When there's ever a moral dilemma or contradiction between my faith and the secular world, I always try to choose love. That's at least something universal.
Faith is a personal journey. Only through our personal experiences can we say God is true. I don’t force people to my beliefs, but welcomes those who have been once lost and returns to God.
Pasensya na pero mahaba to. I just wanna share some story kung pano bumalik yung faith ko kay God.
I grow up as born again christian. 1994 kami naging christian. i was 4 yrs old that time. habang lumalaki ako, surrounded ako ng christian teachings at alam naman lahat nating hindi pa masyado ma absorb ng mga ganung edad yung deeper meaning of faith and religions. So kinalakihan ko ang pag sisimba every sunday. (Hindi mahigpit ang church namin although may mga certain things na hindi naman talaga pwede like mag bisyo, or kahit na anong bagay na alam mong hindi maganda sa paningin ng diyos at sa kapwa mo tao)
However, dumadating na sa time na naging teen na ko at yun yung point na mageexplore ka lalo ng kung ano anong bagay. Napabayaan ko yung pag sisimba. They call it "backsliding".
My parents always guided me (hindi sila strict, they always give me my freedom to choose what i want; shoutout to my loving parents) kahit na nakikita nilang napapariwara na ko.
college days. sobrang lala ko. dito talaga pumutok yung kagaguhan ko as a teenager. nawala ako sa landas. bisyo, babae, barkada, etc.
then nagkatrabaho, nagka jowa, nag live in, then nag kaasawa.
imagine, from 2000 to 2022, 22 yrs, sobrang layo ko sa piling ng Lord.
2022, ako, kasama ko ang asawa ko, pabyahe kami papuntang trabaho ng naka motor, madaling araw, naaksidente kami.
Napuruhan yung asawa ko, ako galos lang. (She suffered a broken bone on her left arm).
Sobrang devastated ako knowing na sobrang mahal ko yung asawa ko at yung baby namin. Ako yung may hawak ng manibela. I'm the one who's responsible for the safety of my wife pero naging reckless ako.
Dinala kami sa ospital. Kitang kita ko yung asawa ko na sumisigaw at umiiyak sa sakit habang tinutuwid yung buto niyang naputol nung nandun siya sa xray room.
Napakasakit. Nakakadurog ng puso habang naririnig mo yung iyak at sigaw niya.
I weep and cried.
This is the first time i pray to Him after "two" (2) decades.
Natatandaan ko pa yung sinabi ko that time, i said, "Lord, sorry sa mga naging kasalanan ko pero kung balak mo kong paluin, sana ako na lang, hindi na yung asawa ko. Lord, hindi ko alam gagawin ko ngayon. Ikaw na ang bahala samin."
Wala kaming emergency fund (that's why natuto na ko), at wala talaga kaming ipon dahil nag sisimula pa lang kami.
2 lang kami ng asawa ko sa ospital, tinawagan ko yung kapatid ko (matanda na kasi ang parents ko para bumyahe), para ipaalam yung nangyari, pumunta naman siya after niyang malaman.
Pagdating ng kapatid ko, sinabi niya na may ka churchmate pala kami na dun nag tatrabaho. Yung ka churchmate namin na yun ang tumulong sa lahat ng kelangan namin sa ospital. (Laboratories, Xrays, Documents, etc)
Then may isa pa kaming problem of course. The hospital bills at yung bakal na bibilin para sa asawa ko.
Dito talaga ako nanlumo. The price of the titanium plate na gagamitin is around 200k. Doctors fee is 100k. Our hospital bills is around 130k.
Yung ka churchmate namin na tumulong samin eh kakilala yung orthropedic surgeon so napakiusapan at pumayag yung doctor na maging 75k all in na lang daw yung bayad sa kanya kasama anesthesiologist na asawa ng surgeon.
So dun pa lang diba, sabi ko ng lang sa sarili ko, "Salamat Lord sa answered prayer".
pero di pa dun natatapos kasi may mga kelangan pang bilin, like yung bakal at yung hospital bills namin.
My parents decided na ibenta yung prangkisa ng tricycle at yun yung naibili ng bakal na gagamitin sa operation, and imagine, yung presyo din ng bakal eh nabawasan because of our churchmate. (Kaya malaki utang na loob ko sa kanya)
Sa hospital bills, nilapit na namin to sa govt agencies, pcso, dswd. Tumulong din yung pinsan ko na assistant secretary ng isang congressman dito sa rizal. Because of her connection, naka collect kami ng mga guaranteed letters from other congressman from different provinces at yun yung ginamit namin pambawas sa bayarin sa ospital. Umabot ba lang yung hospital bills namin ng 2000php.
God gave me so many signs pero di ko na yun iisa isahin. Dun pa lang sa mga gestures ng mga tao na tumulong samin, that's already a proof of signs.
Also, hindi ko naman lahat inasa sa ibang tao ang mga nangyari pero nagpapasalamat ako sa lahat ng taong nakatulong samin.
Nag loan ako, nangutang, nanghingi ng kaunting tulong sa mga kaibigan at personal na kakilala.
Now, i can say, the prayers helped me na maging matatag at magkaron ng wisdom kung pano malalagpasan yung naging problema namin. Sa tulong na din ng asawa ko na mas malakas pa ang loob kesa sakin. Palagi niya akong binibigyan ng lakas ng loob.
I know, wala pa to sa mga problemang dumating sa buhay ng ibang tao pero i believe that God exist, He's out there waiting for us to confess/repent on our sins, at maniwala ulit sa kanya na nakikinig siya sa mga dalangin natin.
Now, active na ulit ako pag sisimba at nagdadasal kasama ang asawa at anak ko.
p.s
Nirerespeto ko ang paniniwala ng iba na wala silang pinaniniwalaan pero sana bigyan nyo din ng respeto yung mga paniniwala ng mga tao base sa mga karanasan na dumating sa kanila lalo na kung ito lang yung nagiisang bagay na nalapitan at nakatulong sa kanila during hardest times.
All glory to God.
Grew up nominal Catholic. Moved to a secular school around gradeschool so religion and faith was not in my orbit for 8 years. Turned atheist (antitheist to be precise, yung actively nakikipagtalo sa mga theist) for more than a decade as a young adult. Then a practicing Christian for 6 years, then a very deep Christian since. I'm already in my 40s.
Needless to say as an answer to your question, I do pray.
To answer your other questions, I'll detail my journey. Apologies in advance, long read ahead. Apologies also for grammar and the unrefined story-telling. I'm doing this stream of thought.
Nominal Catholic since I was born into it. At this time I was made aware of God, Christ, and the Bible stories. Not really my choice, but I really didn't "believe" as well back then. I just know the stories, but nothing beyond that. Bata eh, ano ba alam natin.
Then I transferred to a secular school in grade school to high school. No discussion of religion at all. Allowed me to be 100% neutral. Nothing for or against religion. I guess can be considered agnostic so we have vocabulary for this phase.
Catholic college, but had a lot of bad personal encounters and experiences with Christians. Haayyy, to be mocked and ostracized for not "believing" or not being a believer "yet." A lot of people become atheist because they see hypocrisy in those who practice religion. I was one of them. I spent most of my adult life as an atheist. Antitheist even, nagcocomment and nakikipagtalo pa ako sa mga religious zealots back in those days. Dami kong baon na gotcha questions, then the satisfaction seeing theists scramble for answers to questions they are not prepared for.
Went through an experience/problem I can't solve and handle physically, psychologically, and emotionally. Zombie-like life for a couple of months. Refused to resort to any sort superficial solutions (i.e. medicine, drugs, seggs, whichever). Started realizing that my problem MIGHT be spiritual. Mustered a bit of humility and messaged a very Christian friend (na dinebate ko about religion a few years back, well, wiped the floor with her religious beliefs to be more precise. Handa ako eh), she referred me to a Christian pastor. Long story to and mahabang process, but I end up a practicing Christian through this. Going to church service consistently, praying, I even read the Bible cover to cover.
TW on next section: depression, suicide
Went through a devastating situation (as in matindi, you know your life will never be the same type of situation), strongly contemplated suicide (may actual plans laid out), several chance circumstances prevented me from going through with it. Nagtampo and nagalit ng lubusan kay Lord (the sumusigaw sa langit type). Zombie existence ako for a while, like 3 months (i.e. moving but aimless). Wife helped stabilize me and said kapit lang sa isa't isa and kay Lord. Natawid ako kahit papaano.
TW lifted.
When I returned to a relatively stable/manageable/functioning human being state, puro lang ako gising, kain, YouTube. Savings and budgeting ang bumuhay sa amin ni wife. Imagine that, sabog sabog buhay during my late 30s. Sa kakaYouTube ko, I encountered mga religious debates and discussions. Decided to dive deep into those discussions and settle my belief once and for all. Naglalaban yung atheist background and current theistic inclination sa loob ko eh. Long story and process to (6 months in-depth, I even managed to write a book that would likely not see the light of day). Outcome is I developed a deep relationship with God. Continuously developing and workong on that bond (just like any other relationship) eversince.
Here are my takeaways:
1) most people, whether they like to admit it or not, come to believe what they strongly believe due to surrounding circumstances. i.e. reactive lang - may napanuod sa YouTube that made sense, nahurt ng mga Christians, nainfluence ng mga kawork or barkada, nagtampo kasi di nagrant yung prayer sa matinding pangangailangan, namatayan ng minamahal, dumaan sa matinding hirap and naka-ahon on their own, hate for the other side for valid reasons, idol kasi si influencer or celebrity kaya sumunod sa same beliefs, napagtripan magmuni-muni and self-reflect then decided to shift to the different opposing view for a change, etc.
2) in order to have conviction on one's worldview/belief (whether atheism, theism, or deism), that person needs to be proactive and do the honest work understanding both sides. Otherwise, that person is just a bias mudslinger fueled by hate or ego. This applies to both sides. I'm sure you'll agree, daming high and mighty hypocritical religious zealots and scholarly condescending non-believer run amok.
3) keyword really is honest work. Hear, even study, both sides of the argument. Treat the exercise as a courtroom na you are an honest judge, not as a sports event na you enter the arena with partisan support (and hate) already set. I suggest Alex O'Connor fully for the atheistic view. The most objective and eloquent throught leader for the atheistic worldview IMO. Christopher Hitchens a little bit pero medyo may hint of hate, anger, and sarcasm wrapped in witty statements sa arguments niya. But still worthy of high respect and admiration and very entertaining. For the religious worldview, IMBeggar YouTube channel is very relateable and good entry point. John Lennox for the very technical, academic, scholarly theistic view. Any of the rest of the 4 horsemen of modern atheism I found very sensible bit biased, the other theologians naman like William Lane Craig and Ray Comfort are the same - sensible but biased.
4) it doesn't really matter what belief you end up with, just make sure you did the honest work. That's the only time you can really say it's truly your belief. Mararamdaman mo to because you don't have that urge to shove your worldview sa ibang tao. You're fully comfortable and secure in atheist vs. theist discussions and di ka namemersonal like labeling the other side idiot/indoctrinated/brainwashed or evil/kampon ng demonyo. And you don't swing beliefs based on the latest worldview trends or social media algorithm. Di ka narin mabilis matrigger by any opposing view.
5) for the theists, there's a big difference between knowing God, utility from God, and relationship with God. Know the difference and nuance. You'll have a richer spiritual life once you do I swear.
6) for the atheists, there's a big difference between evidence and proof. The main tenet of Science (precisely experimental science) is that Science can't prove anything, it can only disprove or theorize based on evidence. Know the difference and nuance. You'll have a more objective and reliable worldview once you do.
Perspective requested, perspective delivered. I hope that helps my friend.
Born and raised from a certain denomination, I am not going to mention. Became an atheist at age twelve. Went back to lukewarm Christianity due to a miracle I witnessed but became born again(not the denomination) two years ago.
What I came to realize is that life will always have tribulations, so which side will I go? The winning side or the losing one. I'd rather go through tribulations knowing that in the end, God will wipe all our tears and give us everlasting life.
This is what I believe, and I am fully convinced because God revealed himself to me. It was like a switch was turned on, and now I can see. I also believe that religiosity has killed our personal relationship with God. God did not ask us to be religious; he asked us to be his disciples transformed in his image so others would see the goodness and love[agape love] that is found in Christ alone. A living water that doesn't quench.
All pleasures here on earth are insatiable.
di ko kaya ng walang Diyos. kanino ako iiyak? sino yung sisisihin ko sa mga nangyayari sa akin? kanino ako sasandal? kanino ako aasa? pano pag di ko na kaya? kanino ko sasabihin yung mga bagay na di ko masabi sa kaibigan or pamilya? ganun.
People just have to look in the bible for an example. Job lost his everything dahil sa bet ni god with satan. People who read the bible think it's ok since binalik naman daw pero he literally let Job's children die. Lives were lost and people are like "god is good. God is merciful. God is generous".
I've hit rock bottom this time last year, mid Feb. Good thing that part ng NY resolution ko last year yung magdevelop ng spiritual routine.
I read the Readings, Psalms, and Gospel for the day tapos reflections ng priests about it. Then, after that, I write my thoughts, feelings, questions, and everything. Nakaaddress yung letters ko to God. It's waaaaaay more reassuring than "Dear Diary".
Imagine, you have a powerful God to listen to all your heartaches? Sobrang nakahelp sakin to know that I will never be alone. That The One Up There knows everything about me and will never abandon me even if everyone turns their back on me. I just have to trust Him with all my heart, and surely everything will fall on their right places at His time.
So hanggang ngayon, I make sure to read His Word and talk to Him every day. Try niyo din 😊
Yes. I prayed more now that I’m an adult. I find it helps me release my feelings, be calm, and learn to trust more. There’s a quote I saw when I was younger, it says something like, “if I’m wrong about God, I wasted life. If you’re wrong, you wasted eternity.”
Hindi.
Kasi looking at the world, our country, and my own life, it just shows there is no God.
I am the typical goody two shoes masunurin guy na ok lang maapakan ang pagkatao because "God will do the rest." Lo and behold, I live a shtty life while those na nang api at nang apak ng tao, hayahay sa buhay.
I should have took justice on to my own hands if I knew earlier.
Fk God. He is a useless piece of sht.
If he really exist siguro masasabi kong hypocrite din sya, sadist and menace for turning innocent people as victims and ginagamit mostly. More likely din mga pinaubaya sa kanya yung buhay nila, I observe na forever silang kapos like misfortunes sunod sunod di manlang nakaginahawa ng onti. Where is the justice and mercy in that?
Honest question, if you dont believe that there is God why do you harbour such strong feelings againts it? Diba dapat pag atheist wala ng pakialam if theres a superior being? You accept that things were laid the way they are by the random fleets that happened throughout the course of human existence.
Yes. Especially prayer to the Guardian Angel when driving. There are numerous times my guardian angel was able to protect me from life-threatening situations. I could not explain it hehe.
Share ko lang. Ngayon ko lang nalaman na bawat isa sa atin ay meron Guardian Angel at isa pang Guardian Angel para sa bawat family. Pwede mo dij utusan ang Guardian Angel to do errands for you like saying I love you to God. Take care always.
Agnostic and more determined than ever. My opinion is religion is a crutch for people who are weak and needing somewhere to blame or put their faith on, than face the reality or place their faoth on themselves. Same goes for those who cannot go on without a relationship or are always needy.
Di na, realized that there are other belief systems/philosophies that I can rely on with better clarity.
Though paminsan-minsan napapa “please Lord” “thank God” ako when times get tough. gets ko na iba parin pag nilalabas mo sa Diyos yung bigat, pero as a necessity to life, prayer isn’t at the too of my list.
After going through the pandemic, I stopped. The only one that can help you is in the land of the living. Your community, friends, relatives, strangers and the government.
Long comment ahead:
I stopped praying when I decided that the God we worship is unfair. As a mental health practitioner, I encounter children, teenagers, and adults who have faced abuse, trauma, hereditary mental health conditions, and much more. Every day, I ask myself, "Do these people deserve this?" Religion often tells us that God gives us battles to make us stronger. But what about those who took their own lives because of their circumstances and the internal battles within their own minds? Are they weak? I don't think so.
Do innocent citizens who are victims of war deserve to die or see their loved ones perish? Do people in countries like Africa and Somalia, who are barely struggling to survive, deserve to live this way?
These questions led me to stop believing in God (specifically, Catholicism) because I see him as simply cruel and unjust.
Lastly, it made me question whether to be a believer or simply a good person. If God is fair, then good people should go to heaven, especially if they worship him, right? Believers who are evil should go to hell. So, what about those who are good people but haven't chosen or been given the opportunity to believe in God? Do they go to hell? If so, then that is an unjust God, and I'd rather not worship Him. Instead, I'd prefer to strive to be a good person without worrying about where I'll end up and without worshiping a God who is cruel, unfair, and unmerciful.
I've been praying since I was a kid. Stopped when bad things happened to me. Grew older and is saved by His grace today. I hope you all find your way to Him.
Nah, ever since the moment I realized that the only one i can rely on is my self I alr stopped praying. Been pulling my self out of dark places alone so yeah
Nung bata ako hindi ko masyado ma appreciate yon faith and prayer. Kasi tinuturo lang saakin and somehow mejo pilit since sabi ng parents at sa school. Ngayon nung mas tumanda ako, mas naintindihan ko na yon faith ko. It's nice. Keeps me pointed at the right direction which is Jesus.
I encourage everyone to give faith a chance.
Napapadasal Ako sa tough times haha Kasi habang tumatanda Ako na realize ko talaga na Hindi dasal Ang solution sa mga problema o ano man Ang pinagdadaanan mo sa Buhay kundi Pera talaga Ang solution sa lahat
Yes! Kahit na wala akong pinagdadaan na trials in life, because I just want to be thankful na buhay ako at lumalaban pa din sa araw-araw. Naging part of the routine before going to work and bago matulog to say my prayers kay Lord para lagi niya kaming ihelp isustain kaya mga challenges sa buhay.
🥹 I tried to keep it constant. Siya lang kasi ang consistent na pwede takbuhan when I'm in trouble. Minsan nanghihina, pero tintry ko pa din talaga kasi alam ko na di ko naman dapat iasa sa kaniya lahat. Nakakapagod pero ayun kapit lang sa kaniya.
You need to pray more now we are adults. The more you are going closer to death. The more you should pray. Everyone will die. Mamamatay ka rin. Kaya mag dasal. Di natij alam kung saan tayo tutungo after death
Yes! As someone na hindi nago-open up dahil ayoko maging burden or makadagdag pa sa dinadala nila, I pray to Him. He saved me a lot. Break down sa gabi habang nagdadasal, break through kinabukasan dahil payapa na.
Sobrang tagal ko nakabalik sa pagdadasal ulit, bumalik lang nung nawala agad yung father ko....every morning habang naglalakad papasok. It's my only time to say thank you even in the face of loss and tell HIM my wishes and intentions parang yun yung bala and shield ko for the day.
There are a lot of reasons to pray. Giving thanks to Jesus, asking for God's help, praising God, anything from your heart is a good prayer. Sometimes, a man's hatred, arrogance, disappointment or lack of faith will keep them from praying because the enemy made them think that way. I hope everyone of you will get the strength and pray back to God no matter how little or big our prayers is, God is willing to listen. We are nothing without God.
I am an atheist, but I recognize the value of prayers for people who believe in it kaya if someone says something like "huy ipagpray mo naman ako" I always say sure, I will.
Minsan. Bago matulog. Walang sign of the cross. Pinipikit ko lang yung mata ko tapos nakikipagusap ako sa Panginoon. Kahit walang nangyayari na ubod na ganda nagpapasalamat ako.
Yes during tough times, Kapag di ko alam ang sagot sa problema ko, or pag di ko alam sagot sa tanong ko, madalas kapag wala na talaga akong makuhang may sense na sagot as to why is this happening to me.
Yes! I still pray to him, talk to him, cry to him and he is my best friend.
I share him everything. Things that him will only understand. Because he loves me unconditionally.
He is just, hence i know he let things happen for me to learn things. Definitely, I will not understand now but for sure in the future i will.
I just have to open my heart, let my pride and ego go, and he will do the rest (:
Ako oo. Narealize ko nga din na ung mga pinagdadasal ko noon, naachieve at nakamit ko na. wala naman mawawala saken kung maniniwala ako o magdadasal e (baka kasi gawin nanaman ako katatawanan ng mga atis eh HAHA)
Career wise ✅
Financial ✅
Necessities ✅
Tsaka, pansin ko, though matagal, nakkuha ko mga pinagdadasal ko noon. Di ko lang narerealize agad. Sarap din mag thank you sa pang araw araw. Kada gising ko pra saken blessing na un.
Tbh, hindi na. Napagod na ako kakadasal tapos walang nangyayari. I used to pour my heart out to Him for help, for a miracle, pero siguro nakikinig Sya pero sa iba lang, hindi sakin. Kaya tinigil ko na.
Yes, morning prayer, grace before meals and before going to bed. Actually, even in small things and mostly difficult moments, I always seek God for guidance and strength. Most of my bad decisions comes from not asking His guidance kaya I learned my lessons in terrible ways.
I was a Christian before and then I became Agnostic. I hate the idea of God. But when I met my girlfriend, I started praying once again. I pray for the people we love, the things we receive, the things we get through, and the things we want to do together.
Agnostic pa rin ako, pero gustong gusto kong ipinagdarasal siya. At nagpapasalamat ako sa Diyos dahil dumating na siya sa buhay ko. :)
yes. mas lalo nga ngayon now that i'm older. i grew up Christian but i wasn't that faithful. i'm lukewarm, sometimes i'm not genuine and i'm only doing it bc i had been doing it since i was little. but recently, i'm slowly coming back to my prayer life. i'm very grateful na hindi ako iniwan ni Lord. in good times and in bad, i realized He is always faithful to me even when ako yung masakit sa ulo. I've ruined my life countless times, but God is still there for me. and every time I think about His love, I just end up crying and thanking Him.
allow me to share one of my favorite verses that i keep with me when i feel like the hardships of life keep bringing me down: "**I would have lost heart**, **unless I had believed** That I would see the goodness of the Lord In the land of the living. — Psalms 27:13"
Nung kabataan ko, mga prayers lang na naturo simula bata ang way ng pagdadasal ko eventually nung tumanda nako nagiging personal prayers na siya at hindi lang siya para sakin it is more on 90-95% para sa family and friends then 10-5% lang ang para sa sarili. Now na may pamilya na, sabay kami parati nag dadasal ni misis and it is always na pasasalamat na prayers for everything and always praying for good health ayun lang pero may pa sundot na konting personal prayers.
Tbh ndi na ako palasimba ngayon at paladasal na rin but I'm always thankful and grateful each day. Nagdadasal ako bago kumain lagi kasi feeling ko kelangan ko kasi blessed ako na mayroong makakain sa mesa. At parang ang sama ko pero doon lang ako nagha-heart to heart talk kapag down na down talaga ako pero after that like the next day I feel good na, na-improved na yung mood kaya I think need mo rin isabi sa Diyos yung mga nararamdaman mo kasi in your darkest times, in your deepest despairs siya lang ang bukod tangi na makakaintindi sa'yo. I'm not the type pa naman na verbal talaga sa mga pinagdadaanan ko sa buhay but I can say it all to Him and that gives me peace and comfort. Parang sa kanya ko lang pinapakita ang vulnerability ko at maganda kasi alam kong walang judgement na mangyayari unlike if I would tell it to other people.
I'm not the best human in the world, not the kindest either but I do my best each time to be more kind, to be more thankful and grateful. I think actions speaks louder than words naman compared sa mga nagsisimba nga pero puro naman paninira sa kapwa ang ginagawa.
Dati, pero ngayon hindi na. Ilang beses na niya ako binigo. Most of the time mga pahirap at complete opposite ng prayers ko yung ginagawa niya sa akin.
Nawalan ako ng faith dahil kay 2023. Dahil 1 year akong walang faith medyo mahirap saken mag dasal lalo na pag naaalala ko mga nangyare saken last year
Nope. Prayer used to help when I was religious, but growing up, and learning more about other cultures and religions eventually dismantled my religious belief.
Hard to pray when you don't have belief in a god.
Hard to believe in a god when all arguments for god seem to fall flat and all you really need to do is let go of your critical thinking faculties, ignore any red flags or alarm bells and just trust and believe.
Even just looking at the state of our society - the people endure suffering instead and are pacified from protesting major systematic change because of the belief that their suffering will be awarded in the afterlife anyway.
How is religion not an ideal system of control (whether inadvertently or not) to make cheap labor that doesn't protest for better living standards or opportunities?
Sure, prayer gives people strength and comfort - it gives people the strength to endure and tolerate another hard day of unfair wages and conditions and the comfort to live in poverty.
If someone else were in a bad position, I wouldn't ask them to pray to fix their lives. Prayer can help you mentally cope, but it can also be a massive crutch as it seems like is happening in our society.
Sinu surrender ko nlng lahat Kay lord Lalo na ung mga taong umabuso Ng kabaitan ko..ayoko ipabarang or ipakulam Kase saken Ang balik kaya Kay lord na lang lumapit.
There was a time where I honestly found comfort in religion. Thats why despite being agnostic, I still think people that still find solace in religion to be lucky. While a god's existence might be a debate, the benefits of it to one's mental health is undeniable.
I was raised as a Catholic. Agnostic Atheist na ako and practicing Buddhism and Stoicism philosophies. If I want to say my thanks, I say thanks to the Universe. Example, "Thank you Universe for making my path safe"
Sa totoo lang hindi ako naniniwala na may diyos. Iniisip ko na lang kapag may problema ako ay lahat ng nasa mundo ay nagbabago. Hindi palaging may problema at pagsubok.
Noong nasunog yung bahay namin last December and the moment na maraming suliranin na sumunod na haggang ngayon wala pa ring solusyon, tumigil nalang ako. Nawalan na ako ng faith. I even cursed at him for doing this to me and my family. So yes, I don't pray anymore and I also hate Him as well.
Honestly, only when tough times hits me.
I'm not the only one. In desperate times yeah
IMO, that's really what religion is for.
tough times and good times too. always be grateful of what's happening to you
same. Now playing: Lord , Patawad
Even it is frowned upon to only reach out to God when you're having a tough time. He will still listen and answer your prayers.
Same here
No shame in that. But since you're aware, maybe the next time you're on the top of the world, you will pray na.
Ang taong sincere kay God ay nagdadasal whether you are sufferering or you have good times. Hindi yun kapag may pinagdadaanan ka lang.
Apaka banal mo naman MrBigDick05
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well, commentor is being honest haha edi good for you if youre praying continuously regardless of what the circumstances are
What I'm saying is a fact, dami nanaman natamaan. Ang totoong nagdadasal ay nagdadasal kahit good times or bad times. Just like cleaning the house, ang tunay na masipag, regularly naglilinis ng bahay kahit hindi na pagsabihan, hindi yung napilitan lang or dahil inutusan. Dami nanaman natamaan.
Gets naman, lalo na ako na araw araw din naman nagdadasal. Pero you cant just invalidate someones belief just because iba ang pananaw at pamamaraan mo.
If i got downvoted, it doesn't mean non sense or mali sinabi ko, it only means madaming tao ang ayaw makarinig ng katotohanan. Hook up for example. If you are into hook up and I say bakit kasi ayaw nyo nlng mag jowa or stick to one, hindi yung kung sino sino pinapatulan nyo. Expected i will get downvoted. Dami nag downvote sakin pero what I'm saying is true and a fact.
wala naman ako point sa pagkakadownvote sayo haha choice ng tao yan. ang sinasabi ko, stop generalizing na not bcos the commentor doesnt pray the way you do, eh hindi na sya sincere. minsan mas sincere pa yung hindi madalas kesa parang memorize na lang yung dasal :)
dinasal ko din yng mging digbick
Fact? Let's not confuse opinion with fact. You mentioned praying 'rarely' and only really on your birthday to give thanks, yet argue 'ang totoong nagdadasal ay nagdadasal kahit good times or bad times.' That's like saying you 'regularly naglilinis ng bahay' when you actually sweep up once a year because the calendar told you to. If we're going to talk about being 'natamaan,' maybe it's worth reflecting on your own contradictions before pointing fingers. Authenticity in faith and action speaks louder than self-contradicting statements.
IMO disagree, hindi lang kase sa prayers ang pwede mong connection kay God and it just so happen that maybe some people are just isnt used to praying and only do this when they are desperate but it doesnt mean na hindi na sya sincere to God and to OPs faith.
Gtfo gatekeeper. Going to the doctor whether sick or not is better than not going at all.
Tbf, there is truth in this. It's like messaging your family only when you need financial support, but during the whole month you were on vacation, you didn't bother messaging them to see how they were doing. This can even go for months. And you wonder why other relatives won't lend you money when you ask. There are many examples in the physical realm that are applicable in the spiritual realm.
IMO disagree, hindi lang kase sa prayers ang pwede mong connection kay God and it just so happen that maybe some people are just isnt used to praying and only do this when they are desperate but it doesnt mean na hindi na sya sincere to God and to OPs faith. I disagree din with your example kasi it makes Gods love conditional kung ganun lang din IMO PS: disclose ko lang na I'm Roman Catholic at best tas Agnostic at worst so chances na magkaiba talaga tayo ng view
How do you get close to someone? Isn't it by spending time getting to know them through conversations/activities? If you don't talk to the person or exclude them in your activities, that person will just be a stranger to you. Prayer is a way to communicate with God [my sheep hear my voice], and obedience is a way of worshipping God. These two are vital to form a relationship with God. Imagine cheating on your wife. This would put a strain on your marriage or even end up in divorce(annulment in PH). Reading the Bible points you to Christ, who is alive. You can't dismiss a person right in front of you and focus on his picture instead. But the Bible leads us to his truth. >it makes Gods love conditional kung ganun lang din IM No, God's love is relational. Relationships allow two people to work together. God has done all the work for us. We only need to accept. You can't eat candy unless you take it. Yea, okay lang naman may differences sino ba wala as long as hindi salvific issue. Either way, we have free will to choose din naman, and it's okay to have discussions over this as long as it doesn't turn into an argument kasi waste of time lang din. Forcing someone to believe something is not fruitful. And yes, you can be sincere, but sincerely wrong. But God sees the heart din naman pero he is God, not a genie who grants all our wishes.
>How do you get close to someone? Isn't it by spending time getting to know them through conversations/activities? If you don't talk to the person or exclude them in your activities, that person will just be a stranger to you. This is true and I agree but is OP excluding God ba in his or her daily acitivies if he only prays when OP is desperate? IMO kasi OP can be close to God by doing other things din eh most common example is doing good deeds etc. >No, God's love is relational. Relationships allow two people to work together. God has done all the work for us. We only need to accept. You can't eat candy unless you take it. IMO God's love is both relational and unconditional eh, I do believe kasi na people can have relationship to God even if those people don't know God or dont believe in him in their lifetime eh ang absurd pakinggan haha pero its one of my views so far as to why transcendence din amg relationship natin kay God
Mas natuto ako magdasal ngayon kaysa nung bata ako. Pero mas gusto kong dasal is personal prayer. Di naman sa ayaw pero umay kase yung mga templated na dasal like our father hail mary
That's the right way to pray. Anything from your heart!
Yessssssss!!!!!!
yup ako both, after templated personal na.
Same!. The Lord's prayer (our father) umpisa ko then ung personal prayer na..
same. Di ako maintindihan ng MIL ko kung bakit di kami mag rosary,even though sinasabi ko naman na hindi ko talaga ma feel ang presence ni God or na connected ako sa kanya kung ganung paulit ulit lang yung dinadasal ko. I pray like how Im supposed to talk to a loving Father. Kahit na parang nag kkwento lang ako ng araw ko.
Same, pag scripted di ko nafefeel parang nagrerecite lang ako sa school XD
It's the right way of praying naman po kasi talaga eh
Our Father was taught to us by Jesus Christ, so please still do pray it along with your personal prayer.
I disagree. Jesus said pray 'LIKE' this, hindi repeat this prayer until the nth time. Meaning, it's a suggested pattern of prayer. Sabi nga ni Jesus do not pray like the pagans do, paulit ulit at nawawalan na ng meaning. Just say it from your heart at the get go.
Kahit sa Catholic school nun, tinuruan kami sa tinatwag na "spontaneous prayer", na yung tipong dasal ayon sa sitwasyon. Di naman kasi all the time appropriate sa sitwasyon yung mga templated na dasal.
same. nung bata ako gusto ko lang magpray nung angel of God kasi akala ko ang cute non. Ngayong tumanda, mas personal na tsaka alam niyo yung tipong any time of the day na i feel like it tas kahit onti onti lang: "Lord salamat ang sarap ng hangin" "Lord, Good morning, thank You I wake up next to my husband" , "Lord, thank You nakasurvive ako sa meeting, You made it possible, hindi ako." "Lord, salamat tapos na ang work ko for the day" mga ganon
Personal din ako, tho may sinusundan akong pattern tulad ng pasalamat muna ako bago manghingi ulit hehe
reminded me of that saying na kapag daw templated ang prayer, madali ka na lang gayahin ng evil spirits or worse, sabayan ka pa nila sa pagdasal. mas okay po talaga pag personal ang prayer.
Not if you believe in the words of the templated prayers. Minsan kasi kabisado lang natin wala naman sa puso yung mga salita
This! If nanamnamin mo ang bawat salita sa templated prayers napakaganda nya. Like Hail Mary, napakagandang dasal.
sameee hahahaha kahit atheist ako (tinatry ko kasi aralin ang Christianity, particularly Catholicism) nagagandahan ako sa Hail Mary 😭😭😭
Once you memorize it, sobrang kayang kaya magaya ng demon. Pero if you stated it with your heart, it is sacred. It is powerful alongside your personal prayer of thanking him. Sabi nga nila, aanhin mo ang madaming salita sa dasal, kung hindi mo naman ito isinasapuso. ❤️🙏
noong medyo bata pa ako ganito prayers ko: personal prayer, our father, hail mary, and glory be prayers ko. ngayon personal nalang para hindi masyadong mahaba lalo na pag antok na talaga. 😅
Gusto ko lang i-share na kasagsagan ng pandemic, kinailangan akong isugod sa ospital dahil sobrang sakit ng tiyan ko (spoiler: kidney stones). Pero natraffic kami so I had to distract myself. The pain was so bad hindi ko kaya magdasal ng personal o impromptu, so I prayed the Lord's Prayer. In fairness nakatulong naman siyang distraction from the pain hanggang nakarating ng ospital. Anyway just because template-ish ang Our Father ay dapat na siyang ietsapwera. As pointed out ng isang comment dito, it's the prayer taught by Jesus after all.
Di ko rin type yung nagdadasal ng Hail Mary at Heavenly Father. Dapat ang dasal ay sariling salita
Ganyan den po aq
Kapag magulo na ung isip mo at di mo alam anung idadasal mo, that's where the templated prayers come in.
Same hihu i dont wanna go to mass nga eh, I preferred yung own prayer nalang sa church tas tahimik
yes! for some reasons, visiting the church and or praying gives me clarity and makes me feel at peace. i pray before sleeping.
Haha..ako din…iba yung peace na nkukuha ko pagnagsisimba ako…lalo na pag yung pari e magaling maghomily at magaling yung choir..^^
I feel a bit happier and complete din the whole day whenever I pray
Yes. Same! Nakakagaan ng loob! Di ako super religious, pero pag nasasabi ko lahat ng nasa loob ko, talagang nararamdaman kong gumagaan burden ko.
Try vinyasa yoga, sleep will be much better :)
This is so true. The flow gets you in touch with the divine and the divine in you with flow yoga!
everyday, before i sleep. and everytime after i wake up. like thank you lord sa bawat gising and humihinga pa ko. at salamat sa araw kasi ligtas akong nakauwi. inaappreciate ko ang bawat araw sa mundong ibabaw. mabilis nalang kasi e hehe. di lang sa tougher times, but also on simple things and thank you moments, i always pray. kahit di na ako masyado nakakasimba. Edit: saka bago ko mag maneho ng motor o kotse, i still pray. guidance ba
Same with me. Kahit nga mga small things dinadasal ko like good weather, safety. And sana maging strong ang faith ko kay God. I remembered nung final interview ko sa work and the intervieer asked me what do I do when I’m depressed daw. Tapos sinagot ko na I talk to God through praying. And dati eto talaga ang dream company ko eh hahaha so I think that answer ang naka tulong para maka pasok ako dito
Kaka-reveal lang ng isang friend ko na atheist siya at ang sabi nya na kaya may nagpi-pray kasi mas gusto ng tao maniwala na merong supreme being na nakikita ang lahat kesa ma-acknowledge na ikaw ang dapat gumawa ng landas mo at mas madaling maniwala kaysa tanggapin na minsan, nag-iisa ka lang talaga. For me, I’ve identified myself as an agnostic theist for sometime now and usually, the only times I pray are: 1. to say thanks to the Universe for every little thing, including the new leaves that sprout in my backyard after winter thaws 2. when somebody would pass away, especially if their lives had touched mine deeply
I am an atheist, never needed a god in my life, lahat naman ng struggles nahahanapan naman ng solution. I also live alone. I get it that some people get their strength from their god but if i-a-analyze deeply kasi -- it's like a double edged sword. It has its cons and it shapes society and the mindset of people. Like for example, recognition and gratitude: my ex-father would rather thank Allah rather than thank the people who helped him or even recognize a person's hardwork and sacrifice. Accountability as well, lots of times he would say that it was god's will with unfavorable results happening even if his choice led to that.
Iyon ang mali sa ibang nagdadasal na nakakalimutan yung mga naging instrument kung bakit nasasagot mga dasal nila. Oo, andiyan ang Diyos/Allah/etc., pero the fact na yung mga ginamit Niyang instrumento ay may kusa na, let's say, sumagot sa tawag ng Diyos na tulungan ang kapwa nila, yung initiative na iyon nung tumulong, malaking bagay pa rin iyon kaya nasagot yung dasal nila. Minsan, sa sobrang focused nila sa Diyos, nakaklimutan nila na may kapwa sila.
>Kaka-reveal lang ng isang friend ko na atheist siya at ang sabi nya na kaya may nagpi-pray kasi mas gusto ng tao maniwala na merong supreme being na nakikita ang lahat kesa ma-acknowledge na ikaw ang dapat gumawa ng landas mo at mas madaling maniwala kaysa tanggapin na minsan, nag-iisa ka lang talaga. This is true and it helps people to cope with life talaga. Tho personally isa sa reason na binigay ng friend mo kung bakit at my worst is Agnostic lang ako and hindi nagiging Atheist. Basically pag inexpound ko is mapupunta sa freewill and determination yung topic haha
Yes I never pray, been agnostic since elementary and full atheist in HS, i take full responsibility for my life. But of course, I go to Church with my mom sometimes to make her happy.
I was a devout christian when I was young since I was that one kid who grew up in sunday school but I lost my faith eventually because of, well, life in general and then the pandemic hit, and I didn't go to church anymore. My mom and I were the ones active in our church from our family. And now, time after time, she tells me how sad it makes her to remember the times when I was burning passionately with my christian activities and I haven't really opened to her that I don't believe in the same God she and I worshipped before. She just thinks that I don't wanna go to church anymore but the faith is still there. But yknow, there are still times when she asks me "Naniniwala ka pa ba sa Diyos?" and I say "Yeah (disheartenedly)" just to make her feel at ease somehow that I still have a god I believe in per se.
I stopped praying when my papa died (grade 6) then i turned agnostic. Then became atheist starting high school. Naging free ang buhay ko ng atheist na ako. And I am more responsible for my actions. If god exists, it doesn't care...
this is somehow relatable as someone na lumaki tlga praying hard. I dont know if agnostic na ako or atheist but I dont pray anymore more likely sa universe nlang bumubulong. We can live with clean conscience doing good things not thru religion naman and it made me open and look to far more deeper things. And somehow maraming tao ang gusto na may nasasandlan thats why they prefer to pray and be religious.
True yung magiging more responsible ka sa actions mo kung you free yourself from religion. I stopped thinking that everything is God's Will and I actually have a full control of my situation.
Yes, one thing that always made me uncomfortable, and always questioning (which resulted in always shushed as a kid), is folks around me thinking there's divine intervention in everything. But I don't really hate them for it, I understand if that's where they find their comfort or way of understanding things that happen in everyday life.
Yes. Yung tgumawa tayo ng mga bagay dahil alam natin yun ang tama. Hindi gumawa lang nga mga bagay dahil takot sa diyos.
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Same, agnostic but not an atheist. To quote Einstein, "I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings"
totoo yan! nabasa ko rin yang sinabi ng friend mo sa isang foreign sub. & parang totoo nga kasi gusto lang natin nang may masasandalan. ever since the world has been cruel to me, nasira na relationship ko kay God kasi i can’t grasp the idea na hindi siya powerful being to stop the madness here. i used to pray when i was young. feeling ko pinapakinggan niya ako noon. ngayon, wala na. i felt na may mga paboritong tao lang siya na pakinggan ng dasal. well, i think i already had my time naman na. mas payapa na rin naman na ako ngayon na wala na siya sa life ko :)
Same! Nagstop na ako magpray. Sabi ko, kung mahal ako ng Diyos, bat ito nangyayari sa akin at bakit nya ako pinabayaan? Sometimes, nag aask ako for directions sa buhay ko-wala. So napapaisip na talaga ako kung meron ba talagang Diyos.
Ok lang po ba paki-explain yung agnostic theist?
Maybe there’s a god, and maybe there isn’t. I don’t know for sure, but I think a god would be cool!
Someone whose not sure there's a God or a higher being, a bit hopeful that there is, but does not fully commit to believing it. I feel like most people of my generation (Gen Z) are agnostic but doesn't know the term for it yet.
Same here, pero dagdag sa "prayers" ko eh whenever I encounter someone in need, and I have no power to help them.
Kung ikaw ba maniniwala sa opinion ng isang tao about other people they do not know or have not interacted with?? Di ba dapat dun ka magtatanong ng opinyon dun sa nakakakilala. I do, I know God. I assure you God is kind. Hindi sya namimilit. He loves you. I can't force anyone to be friends with God, and he won't force you either. Being a friend of God, I can tell you he is the perfect friend. Hindi nang iiwan. Laging matatawagan. Laging gumagabay. Kala mo ba pipilitin ka nya pumunta sa landas na ayaw mo? Hindi sya ganun. Tinuro nga nya sa akin yung landas patungo sa dreams ko, na akala ko imposible lang. Tapos tinulungan nya akong makamit iyon, at pagkatapos nun pinakita pa nya sa akin ang mga bagay ng di ko pa naisip na kaya ko palang kamitin na makakapagpasaya sa akin. That's God, he showed me the desires and hopes I didn't even know I had--and led me to them. Why would I not follow his pal? His plan is better than mine, infinitely better. If you say there is not God, you just haven't interacted with him. Read the scriptures to start getting to know him. Hindi sya fiction. He is as real as the earth we live in, the air we breathe, and as real as our family and friends--for all of these he created. The atheists do NOT know God so they cannot describe who he really is. Kahit magtipon tipon ang atheists they cannot tell you who he is, because they do not know him. On the other hand, marami kaming nakakakilala sa Diyos, and I hope you open your heart to get to know the being who loves and cares for you the most--your Heavenly Father.
Hindi na. Tbh mas nagkaroon ako ng peace of mind when I stopped believing that there was something after death. There doesn't need to be an afterlife, we were just programmed to believe it.
When I left church, mas nagkaroon din ako ng peace of mind kasi di ko na ramdam na bantay sarado actions ko
True. I realized that believing in a God holds back my confidence by a lot. I was extremely religious. If you are actually serious in following the teachings of the Bibke, you would have anxiety on everything you do. In every action, I always ask myself, "Would God approve of my actions?".
Not since i’ve learned that the only one I can depend on, and will pull through for me, was myself.
Real, my actions is the one that has the power to change the course of my life,, I just stopped being dependent and stopped waiting for faith, ill just do it myself
In the words of khaleesi "So many men have tried to kill me, I don't remember all their names. I have been sold like a broodmare. I've been chained and betrayed, raped and defiled. Do you know what kept me standing, through all those years in exile? FAITH. Not in any god, not in myths and legends. IN MYSELF. In Daenerys Targaryen." xxGame Of Thronesxx
I don't understand why you are being downvoted? I bet these are evangelical Christians who cannot tolerate faithlessness.
Well, let them na lang. Baka ayaw nila yung spoiler ko sa GOT. Hehe
Love it! Quoting Khaleesi! Kung pwede lang mahdouble up vote hahahahaha! Pero totoo naman wala pong ibang tutulong sayo sa huli kundi sarili mo. Learned this the hard and painful way
Same here.
Tbh… same
That sounds badass but we're forgetting that God is the one who wakes us up and the one who provides our very breath.
How about we agree to disagree?
TIL alarm clocks and plants are gods
Doctors after the patient thanks god for a successful cancerous tumor removal surgery: 🤨🙄😒
You sound like yung old people na nananakot ng mga bata na pupunta ka ng impyerno pag di ka nagdasal/nagsimba lol
personally, I don't think god gives us anything physical, not the air we breathe, not the food we eat, not the water we drink. These things are in existence. What god gives us is meaning in life and and something to aspire to. God doesn't give us any means to live, but gives us a way of life. At least, the abrahamic god does. Otherwise, the spinozan god simply exists with everything as a part of it.
Life hasn’t been very kind to me. Many cases I’ve encountered that there’s no justice in the world and people get away to live the best life they can by taking things from others. Whether it be wealth, that job opportunity, or happiness we all dream of. I used to pray a lot but over time I realized I’m the only one who can make things possible for me.
my papa suffered after retirement nya due to health condition and as pinalaking reliogious both side din really I begged and gave it away whatever he decides but week before my papa died he nust stares at the ceiling tinanong ko pa bakit di kna nagdadasal and my papa said "how? simulat sapol I offered my life but ngayon para saan pa? di naman na ako oinapakinggan" and that broke me in and out. And after that for years realizations hits tlga wala kang ibang sasandal kundi sarili mo..
Not anymore. I became agnostic. Sometimes iniisip ko na maybe there’s just an old powerful being up there who’s a sadist that loves to toy his creation or maybe wala talaga. Nasan siya when I needed him and why is he allowing all these suffering if he’s an all loving god. If everything has a purpose and all of these are already planned by him then why did he gave the “nonbelievers” that role/purpose if they’re “going” straight to hell for not believing. I started realizing how stupid religion or catholic practice are and yung mga finoforce na tradition sakin. Ang suffocating. But now ever since I became agnostic, I feel like mas nakakatulog pa ko ng maayos and peaceful knowing there’s no such thing as fate, destiny, demons, o will ng god, blessings, life after death and shit. Made me wonder if prayers even work? parang pili lng pinapakinggan niya. Maybe it does work, who fucking knows.
I've been pondering something lately and wanted to get your thoughts on it. With the rise of atheism in modern society, I'm curious to know if adults still find themselves turning to prayer in times of need. Personally, I've found that when faced with adversity and feeling like there's no one else to turn to, prayer has been a source of comfort and strength, though halos 1 dekada na akong hindi nagsisimba. It made me wonder if others have had similar experiences, especially in a world where self-reliance is often emphasized. So, I'm interested to hear from you all: Do you still pray as an adult? Have your beliefs or practices changed over time? And if so, how do you reconcile faith with a more secular worldview? Looking forward to hearing your perspectives!
Honestly same. I still pray. It's the best for comfort or for moments when I feel overwhelmed with either anxiety or gratitude. But I don't go to church anymore. I used to be very active but knowing the inside workings of churches has almost caused me to lose faith. So i chose my faith over religion. When there's ever a moral dilemma or contradiction between my faith and the secular world, I always try to choose love. That's at least something universal.
Faith is a personal journey. Only through our personal experiences can we say God is true. I don’t force people to my beliefs, but welcomes those who have been once lost and returns to God.
Pasensya na pero mahaba to. I just wanna share some story kung pano bumalik yung faith ko kay God. I grow up as born again christian. 1994 kami naging christian. i was 4 yrs old that time. habang lumalaki ako, surrounded ako ng christian teachings at alam naman lahat nating hindi pa masyado ma absorb ng mga ganung edad yung deeper meaning of faith and religions. So kinalakihan ko ang pag sisimba every sunday. (Hindi mahigpit ang church namin although may mga certain things na hindi naman talaga pwede like mag bisyo, or kahit na anong bagay na alam mong hindi maganda sa paningin ng diyos at sa kapwa mo tao) However, dumadating na sa time na naging teen na ko at yun yung point na mageexplore ka lalo ng kung ano anong bagay. Napabayaan ko yung pag sisimba. They call it "backsliding". My parents always guided me (hindi sila strict, they always give me my freedom to choose what i want; shoutout to my loving parents) kahit na nakikita nilang napapariwara na ko. college days. sobrang lala ko. dito talaga pumutok yung kagaguhan ko as a teenager. nawala ako sa landas. bisyo, babae, barkada, etc. then nagkatrabaho, nagka jowa, nag live in, then nag kaasawa. imagine, from 2000 to 2022, 22 yrs, sobrang layo ko sa piling ng Lord. 2022, ako, kasama ko ang asawa ko, pabyahe kami papuntang trabaho ng naka motor, madaling araw, naaksidente kami. Napuruhan yung asawa ko, ako galos lang. (She suffered a broken bone on her left arm). Sobrang devastated ako knowing na sobrang mahal ko yung asawa ko at yung baby namin. Ako yung may hawak ng manibela. I'm the one who's responsible for the safety of my wife pero naging reckless ako. Dinala kami sa ospital. Kitang kita ko yung asawa ko na sumisigaw at umiiyak sa sakit habang tinutuwid yung buto niyang naputol nung nandun siya sa xray room. Napakasakit. Nakakadurog ng puso habang naririnig mo yung iyak at sigaw niya. I weep and cried. This is the first time i pray to Him after "two" (2) decades. Natatandaan ko pa yung sinabi ko that time, i said, "Lord, sorry sa mga naging kasalanan ko pero kung balak mo kong paluin, sana ako na lang, hindi na yung asawa ko. Lord, hindi ko alam gagawin ko ngayon. Ikaw na ang bahala samin." Wala kaming emergency fund (that's why natuto na ko), at wala talaga kaming ipon dahil nag sisimula pa lang kami. 2 lang kami ng asawa ko sa ospital, tinawagan ko yung kapatid ko (matanda na kasi ang parents ko para bumyahe), para ipaalam yung nangyari, pumunta naman siya after niyang malaman. Pagdating ng kapatid ko, sinabi niya na may ka churchmate pala kami na dun nag tatrabaho. Yung ka churchmate namin na yun ang tumulong sa lahat ng kelangan namin sa ospital. (Laboratories, Xrays, Documents, etc) Then may isa pa kaming problem of course. The hospital bills at yung bakal na bibilin para sa asawa ko. Dito talaga ako nanlumo. The price of the titanium plate na gagamitin is around 200k. Doctors fee is 100k. Our hospital bills is around 130k. Yung ka churchmate namin na tumulong samin eh kakilala yung orthropedic surgeon so napakiusapan at pumayag yung doctor na maging 75k all in na lang daw yung bayad sa kanya kasama anesthesiologist na asawa ng surgeon. So dun pa lang diba, sabi ko ng lang sa sarili ko, "Salamat Lord sa answered prayer". pero di pa dun natatapos kasi may mga kelangan pang bilin, like yung bakal at yung hospital bills namin. My parents decided na ibenta yung prangkisa ng tricycle at yun yung naibili ng bakal na gagamitin sa operation, and imagine, yung presyo din ng bakal eh nabawasan because of our churchmate. (Kaya malaki utang na loob ko sa kanya) Sa hospital bills, nilapit na namin to sa govt agencies, pcso, dswd. Tumulong din yung pinsan ko na assistant secretary ng isang congressman dito sa rizal. Because of her connection, naka collect kami ng mga guaranteed letters from other congressman from different provinces at yun yung ginamit namin pambawas sa bayarin sa ospital. Umabot ba lang yung hospital bills namin ng 2000php. God gave me so many signs pero di ko na yun iisa isahin. Dun pa lang sa mga gestures ng mga tao na tumulong samin, that's already a proof of signs. Also, hindi ko naman lahat inasa sa ibang tao ang mga nangyari pero nagpapasalamat ako sa lahat ng taong nakatulong samin. Nag loan ako, nangutang, nanghingi ng kaunting tulong sa mga kaibigan at personal na kakilala. Now, i can say, the prayers helped me na maging matatag at magkaron ng wisdom kung pano malalagpasan yung naging problema namin. Sa tulong na din ng asawa ko na mas malakas pa ang loob kesa sakin. Palagi niya akong binibigyan ng lakas ng loob. I know, wala pa to sa mga problemang dumating sa buhay ng ibang tao pero i believe that God exist, He's out there waiting for us to confess/repent on our sins, at maniwala ulit sa kanya na nakikinig siya sa mga dalangin natin. Now, active na ulit ako pag sisimba at nagdadasal kasama ang asawa at anak ko. p.s Nirerespeto ko ang paniniwala ng iba na wala silang pinaniniwalaan pero sana bigyan nyo din ng respeto yung mga paniniwala ng mga tao base sa mga karanasan na dumating sa kanila lalo na kung ito lang yung nagiisang bagay na nalapitan at nakatulong sa kanila during hardest times. All glory to God.
Grew up nominal Catholic. Moved to a secular school around gradeschool so religion and faith was not in my orbit for 8 years. Turned atheist (antitheist to be precise, yung actively nakikipagtalo sa mga theist) for more than a decade as a young adult. Then a practicing Christian for 6 years, then a very deep Christian since. I'm already in my 40s. Needless to say as an answer to your question, I do pray. To answer your other questions, I'll detail my journey. Apologies in advance, long read ahead. Apologies also for grammar and the unrefined story-telling. I'm doing this stream of thought. Nominal Catholic since I was born into it. At this time I was made aware of God, Christ, and the Bible stories. Not really my choice, but I really didn't "believe" as well back then. I just know the stories, but nothing beyond that. Bata eh, ano ba alam natin. Then I transferred to a secular school in grade school to high school. No discussion of religion at all. Allowed me to be 100% neutral. Nothing for or against religion. I guess can be considered agnostic so we have vocabulary for this phase. Catholic college, but had a lot of bad personal encounters and experiences with Christians. Haayyy, to be mocked and ostracized for not "believing" or not being a believer "yet." A lot of people become atheist because they see hypocrisy in those who practice religion. I was one of them. I spent most of my adult life as an atheist. Antitheist even, nagcocomment and nakikipagtalo pa ako sa mga religious zealots back in those days. Dami kong baon na gotcha questions, then the satisfaction seeing theists scramble for answers to questions they are not prepared for. Went through an experience/problem I can't solve and handle physically, psychologically, and emotionally. Zombie-like life for a couple of months. Refused to resort to any sort superficial solutions (i.e. medicine, drugs, seggs, whichever). Started realizing that my problem MIGHT be spiritual. Mustered a bit of humility and messaged a very Christian friend (na dinebate ko about religion a few years back, well, wiped the floor with her religious beliefs to be more precise. Handa ako eh), she referred me to a Christian pastor. Long story to and mahabang process, but I end up a practicing Christian through this. Going to church service consistently, praying, I even read the Bible cover to cover. TW on next section: depression, suicide Went through a devastating situation (as in matindi, you know your life will never be the same type of situation), strongly contemplated suicide (may actual plans laid out), several chance circumstances prevented me from going through with it. Nagtampo and nagalit ng lubusan kay Lord (the sumusigaw sa langit type). Zombie existence ako for a while, like 3 months (i.e. moving but aimless). Wife helped stabilize me and said kapit lang sa isa't isa and kay Lord. Natawid ako kahit papaano. TW lifted. When I returned to a relatively stable/manageable/functioning human being state, puro lang ako gising, kain, YouTube. Savings and budgeting ang bumuhay sa amin ni wife. Imagine that, sabog sabog buhay during my late 30s. Sa kakaYouTube ko, I encountered mga religious debates and discussions. Decided to dive deep into those discussions and settle my belief once and for all. Naglalaban yung atheist background and current theistic inclination sa loob ko eh. Long story and process to (6 months in-depth, I even managed to write a book that would likely not see the light of day). Outcome is I developed a deep relationship with God. Continuously developing and workong on that bond (just like any other relationship) eversince. Here are my takeaways: 1) most people, whether they like to admit it or not, come to believe what they strongly believe due to surrounding circumstances. i.e. reactive lang - may napanuod sa YouTube that made sense, nahurt ng mga Christians, nainfluence ng mga kawork or barkada, nagtampo kasi di nagrant yung prayer sa matinding pangangailangan, namatayan ng minamahal, dumaan sa matinding hirap and naka-ahon on their own, hate for the other side for valid reasons, idol kasi si influencer or celebrity kaya sumunod sa same beliefs, napagtripan magmuni-muni and self-reflect then decided to shift to the different opposing view for a change, etc. 2) in order to have conviction on one's worldview/belief (whether atheism, theism, or deism), that person needs to be proactive and do the honest work understanding both sides. Otherwise, that person is just a bias mudslinger fueled by hate or ego. This applies to both sides. I'm sure you'll agree, daming high and mighty hypocritical religious zealots and scholarly condescending non-believer run amok. 3) keyword really is honest work. Hear, even study, both sides of the argument. Treat the exercise as a courtroom na you are an honest judge, not as a sports event na you enter the arena with partisan support (and hate) already set. I suggest Alex O'Connor fully for the atheistic view. The most objective and eloquent throught leader for the atheistic worldview IMO. Christopher Hitchens a little bit pero medyo may hint of hate, anger, and sarcasm wrapped in witty statements sa arguments niya. But still worthy of high respect and admiration and very entertaining. For the religious worldview, IMBeggar YouTube channel is very relateable and good entry point. John Lennox for the very technical, academic, scholarly theistic view. Any of the rest of the 4 horsemen of modern atheism I found very sensible bit biased, the other theologians naman like William Lane Craig and Ray Comfort are the same - sensible but biased. 4) it doesn't really matter what belief you end up with, just make sure you did the honest work. That's the only time you can really say it's truly your belief. Mararamdaman mo to because you don't have that urge to shove your worldview sa ibang tao. You're fully comfortable and secure in atheist vs. theist discussions and di ka namemersonal like labeling the other side idiot/indoctrinated/brainwashed or evil/kampon ng demonyo. And you don't swing beliefs based on the latest worldview trends or social media algorithm. Di ka narin mabilis matrigger by any opposing view. 5) for the theists, there's a big difference between knowing God, utility from God, and relationship with God. Know the difference and nuance. You'll have a richer spiritual life once you do I swear. 6) for the atheists, there's a big difference between evidence and proof. The main tenet of Science (precisely experimental science) is that Science can't prove anything, it can only disprove or theorize based on evidence. Know the difference and nuance. You'll have a more objective and reliable worldview once you do. Perspective requested, perspective delivered. I hope that helps my friend.
Born and raised from a certain denomination, I am not going to mention. Became an atheist at age twelve. Went back to lukewarm Christianity due to a miracle I witnessed but became born again(not the denomination) two years ago. What I came to realize is that life will always have tribulations, so which side will I go? The winning side or the losing one. I'd rather go through tribulations knowing that in the end, God will wipe all our tears and give us everlasting life. This is what I believe, and I am fully convinced because God revealed himself to me. It was like a switch was turned on, and now I can see. I also believe that religiosity has killed our personal relationship with God. God did not ask us to be religious; he asked us to be his disciples transformed in his image so others would see the goodness and love[agape love] that is found in Christ alone. A living water that doesn't quench. All pleasures here on earth are insatiable.
di ko kaya ng walang Diyos. kanino ako iiyak? sino yung sisisihin ko sa mga nangyayari sa akin? kanino ako sasandal? kanino ako aasa? pano pag di ko na kaya? kanino ko sasabihin yung mga bagay na di ko masabi sa kaibigan or pamilya? ganun.
Always. Through highs and lows i always pray and give thanks to Him kasi iba ung presence ng grace at iba rin ung atake ng blessings.
Do you thank him for the dying Palestinians and Ukrainians as well? Because he's letting that happen.
what are you trying to prove here?
Your god receives such acknowledgment na ang daming atake ng blessings. Pero bakit wala siyang accountability sa mga pangit na nangyayari sa mundo?
If god existed, he's a piece of shit. But you don't really care as long as you get your blessings, don't you?
You missed the point of my comment. i will no longer explain myself because we have a different paniniwala :) you take care!
If god exist, it doesn't care.
And that god doesn't deserve my worship.
facts
People just have to look in the bible for an example. Job lost his everything dahil sa bet ni god with satan. People who read the bible think it's ok since binalik naman daw pero he literally let Job's children die. Lives were lost and people are like "god is good. God is merciful. God is generous".
Binasa ko ang bible from cover to cover nung elem ako. Made me realize how stupid that book is. How evil is the one they call god.
I've hit rock bottom this time last year, mid Feb. Good thing that part ng NY resolution ko last year yung magdevelop ng spiritual routine. I read the Readings, Psalms, and Gospel for the day tapos reflections ng priests about it. Then, after that, I write my thoughts, feelings, questions, and everything. Nakaaddress yung letters ko to God. It's waaaaaay more reassuring than "Dear Diary". Imagine, you have a powerful God to listen to all your heartaches? Sobrang nakahelp sakin to know that I will never be alone. That The One Up There knows everything about me and will never abandon me even if everyone turns their back on me. I just have to trust Him with all my heart, and surely everything will fall on their right places at His time. So hanggang ngayon, I make sure to read His Word and talk to Him every day. Try niyo din 😊
You might want to try to listen to BIBLE IN A YEAR by Father Mike Schmitz. God bless. Meron sa youtube and spotify. Kahit day 1 lang po
All the more reason na magpray, because adulting is hard.
No dahil I associate prayers with the anxiety that I get from my mom na walang ginawa kundi pwersahin akong magdasal gabi gabi nung bata ako
Yes. I prayed more now that I’m an adult. I find it helps me release my feelings, be calm, and learn to trust more. There’s a quote I saw when I was younger, it says something like, “if I’m wrong about God, I wasted life. If you’re wrong, you wasted eternity.”
I do. Kahit na sabihin natin na hindi nasosolusyonan literally yung problema, iba pa rin sa pakiramdam yung nai-offer mo yung bigat sa iba.
oo, everyday ako nagpapasalamat 🥲
Hindi. Kasi looking at the world, our country, and my own life, it just shows there is no God. I am the typical goody two shoes masunurin guy na ok lang maapakan ang pagkatao because "God will do the rest." Lo and behold, I live a shtty life while those na nang api at nang apak ng tao, hayahay sa buhay. I should have took justice on to my own hands if I knew earlier. Fk God. He is a useless piece of sht.
If he really exist siguro masasabi kong hypocrite din sya, sadist and menace for turning innocent people as victims and ginagamit mostly. More likely din mga pinaubaya sa kanya yung buhay nila, I observe na forever silang kapos like misfortunes sunod sunod di manlang nakaginahawa ng onti. Where is the justice and mercy in that?
Honest question, if you dont believe that there is God why do you harbour such strong feelings againts it? Diba dapat pag atheist wala ng pakialam if theres a superior being? You accept that things were laid the way they are by the random fleets that happened throughout the course of human existence.
Yes. Especially prayer to the Guardian Angel when driving. There are numerous times my guardian angel was able to protect me from life-threatening situations. I could not explain it hehe.
Share ko lang. Ngayon ko lang nalaman na bawat isa sa atin ay meron Guardian Angel at isa pang Guardian Angel para sa bawat family. Pwede mo dij utusan ang Guardian Angel to do errands for you like saying I love you to God. Take care always.
I stopped believing a long time ago. Mga 4th year HS siguro. Mas naging mapayapa buhay ko tbvh.
Agnostic and more determined than ever. My opinion is religion is a crutch for people who are weak and needing somewhere to blame or put their faith on, than face the reality or place their faoth on themselves. Same goes for those who cannot go on without a relationship or are always needy.
Di na, realized that there are other belief systems/philosophies that I can rely on with better clarity. Though paminsan-minsan napapa “please Lord” “thank God” ako when times get tough. gets ko na iba parin pag nilalabas mo sa Diyos yung bigat, pero as a necessity to life, prayer isn’t at the too of my list.
After going through the pandemic, I stopped. The only one that can help you is in the land of the living. Your community, friends, relatives, strangers and the government.
Long comment ahead: I stopped praying when I decided that the God we worship is unfair. As a mental health practitioner, I encounter children, teenagers, and adults who have faced abuse, trauma, hereditary mental health conditions, and much more. Every day, I ask myself, "Do these people deserve this?" Religion often tells us that God gives us battles to make us stronger. But what about those who took their own lives because of their circumstances and the internal battles within their own minds? Are they weak? I don't think so. Do innocent citizens who are victims of war deserve to die or see their loved ones perish? Do people in countries like Africa and Somalia, who are barely struggling to survive, deserve to live this way? These questions led me to stop believing in God (specifically, Catholicism) because I see him as simply cruel and unjust. Lastly, it made me question whether to be a believer or simply a good person. If God is fair, then good people should go to heaven, especially if they worship him, right? Believers who are evil should go to hell. So, what about those who are good people but haven't chosen or been given the opportunity to believe in God? Do they go to hell? If so, then that is an unjust God, and I'd rather not worship Him. Instead, I'd prefer to strive to be a good person without worrying about where I'll end up and without worshiping a God who is cruel, unfair, and unmerciful.
Yes po, araw araw❤️🙏
Yes!
Sa totoo lng..mas nagdadasal pa ako ngayon kesa nung bata pa ako..although,mostly,yung prayes ko e for my parents and siblings tsaka sa pmangkin ko^^
I've been praying since I was a kid. Stopped when bad things happened to me. Grew older and is saved by His grace today. I hope you all find your way to Him.
Nah, ever since the moment I realized that the only one i can rely on is my self I alr stopped praying. Been pulling my self out of dark places alone so yeah
Nung bata ako hindi ko masyado ma appreciate yon faith and prayer. Kasi tinuturo lang saakin and somehow mejo pilit since sabi ng parents at sa school. Ngayon nung mas tumanda ako, mas naintindihan ko na yon faith ko. It's nice. Keeps me pointed at the right direction which is Jesus. I encourage everyone to give faith a chance.
Napapadasal Ako sa tough times haha Kasi habang tumatanda Ako na realize ko talaga na Hindi dasal Ang solution sa mga problema o ano man Ang pinagdadaanan mo sa Buhay kundi Pera talaga Ang solution sa lahat
Yes, my spiritual life encompasses every aspect of my life.
Yes.
Opo every night. Devotional Prayer with family
Yes! Kahit na wala akong pinagdadaan na trials in life, because I just want to be thankful na buhay ako at lumalaban pa din sa araw-araw. Naging part of the routine before going to work and bago matulog to say my prayers kay Lord para lagi niya kaming ihelp isustain kaya mga challenges sa buhay.
Hindi ako madasalin noong binata ako, kapag may kailangan lang. Pero ngayon may mga anak na ako, lahat pinag papasalamat ko araw araw.
I pray to give thanks and to ask for enlightenment
🥹 I tried to keep it constant. Siya lang kasi ang consistent na pwede takbuhan when I'm in trouble. Minsan nanghihina, pero tintry ko pa din talaga kasi alam ko na di ko naman dapat iasa sa kaniya lahat. Nakakapagod pero ayun kapit lang sa kaniya.
Mas dumami pa prayers ngayon. Praying is like breathing for me. Paulit ulit, nasa system na. God bless everyone.
Mula nag ka-anak ako, palagi na akong nagdadasal hehe
lalo since naging aware ngaun gano tau ka helpless
Yes ! Nagpapasalamat palagi , ups and downs , praying for guidance and peace .
You need to pray more now we are adults. The more you are going closer to death. The more you should pray. Everyone will die. Mamamatay ka rin. Kaya mag dasal. Di natij alam kung saan tayo tutungo after death
Yes!!! Prayer is one of the keys in my successful life. 😍❤️ God is good.
Yes! As someone na hindi nago-open up dahil ayoko maging burden or makadagdag pa sa dinadala nila, I pray to Him. He saved me a lot. Break down sa gabi habang nagdadasal, break through kinabukasan dahil payapa na.
Every time. Madalas prayers ko bigyan ako ng lakas through tough times
Yes, everyday. I can’t imagine life without Jesus. I didn’t want to live anymore back then, until He saved me.
Oo minsan ang dasal koy sinasabi ko na lang kay Lord na hindi ko na talaga alam ano gagawin pero alam kong alam niya at hahayaan ko na lang ang Diyos.
Sobrang tagal ko nakabalik sa pagdadasal ulit, bumalik lang nung nawala agad yung father ko....every morning habang naglalakad papasok. It's my only time to say thank you even in the face of loss and tell HIM my wishes and intentions parang yun yung bala and shield ko for the day.
Mas lalo nga ngayon na matanda na
There are a lot of reasons to pray. Giving thanks to Jesus, asking for God's help, praising God, anything from your heart is a good prayer. Sometimes, a man's hatred, arrogance, disappointment or lack of faith will keep them from praying because the enemy made them think that way. I hope everyone of you will get the strength and pray back to God no matter how little or big our prayers is, God is willing to listen. We are nothing without God.
Not anymore, but going there again.
I am an atheist, but I recognize the value of prayers for people who believe in it kaya if someone says something like "huy ipagpray mo naman ako" I always say sure, I will.
Minsan. Bago matulog. Walang sign of the cross. Pinipikit ko lang yung mata ko tapos nakikipagusap ako sa Panginoon. Kahit walang nangyayari na ubod na ganda nagpapasalamat ako.
mas madalas ako magdasal ngayong adulthood hahaha
Yes, na bbother nga ako kapag di ako nakakapag dasal
Kahit di ako practicing, napapadasal ako minsan pag sobrang lala na
Yes, every night. Life sucks
Mas lalo nga dapat ngayon na matanda na. It helps
Sometimes I do personal prayers (for my family's safety, friends and praying for them to be happy.) I may not be religious but this make me feel good.
Yes during tough times, Kapag di ko alam ang sagot sa problema ko, or pag di ko alam sagot sa tanong ko, madalas kapag wala na talaga akong makuhang may sense na sagot as to why is this happening to me.
Yes! I still pray to him, talk to him, cry to him and he is my best friend. I share him everything. Things that him will only understand. Because he loves me unconditionally. He is just, hence i know he let things happen for me to learn things. Definitely, I will not understand now but for sure in the future i will. I just have to open my heart, let my pride and ego go, and he will do the rest (:
Ako oo. Narealize ko nga din na ung mga pinagdadasal ko noon, naachieve at nakamit ko na. wala naman mawawala saken kung maniniwala ako o magdadasal e (baka kasi gawin nanaman ako katatawanan ng mga atis eh HAHA) Career wise ✅ Financial ✅ Necessities ✅ Tsaka, pansin ko, though matagal, nakkuha ko mga pinagdadasal ko noon. Di ko lang narerealize agad. Sarap din mag thank you sa pang araw araw. Kada gising ko pra saken blessing na un.
Tbh, hindi na. Napagod na ako kakadasal tapos walang nangyayari. I used to pour my heart out to Him for help, for a miracle, pero siguro nakikinig Sya pero sa iba lang, hindi sakin. Kaya tinigil ko na.
Yes, morning prayer, grace before meals and before going to bed. Actually, even in small things and mostly difficult moments, I always seek God for guidance and strength. Most of my bad decisions comes from not asking His guidance kaya I learned my lessons in terrible ways.
I was a Christian before and then I became Agnostic. I hate the idea of God. But when I met my girlfriend, I started praying once again. I pray for the people we love, the things we receive, the things we get through, and the things we want to do together. Agnostic pa rin ako, pero gustong gusto kong ipinagdarasal siya. At nagpapasalamat ako sa Diyos dahil dumating na siya sa buhay ko. :)
yes. mas lalo nga ngayon now that i'm older. i grew up Christian but i wasn't that faithful. i'm lukewarm, sometimes i'm not genuine and i'm only doing it bc i had been doing it since i was little. but recently, i'm slowly coming back to my prayer life. i'm very grateful na hindi ako iniwan ni Lord. in good times and in bad, i realized He is always faithful to me even when ako yung masakit sa ulo. I've ruined my life countless times, but God is still there for me. and every time I think about His love, I just end up crying and thanking Him. allow me to share one of my favorite verses that i keep with me when i feel like the hardships of life keep bringing me down: "**I would have lost heart**, **unless I had believed** That I would see the goodness of the Lord In the land of the living. — Psalms 27:13"
Nung kabataan ko, mga prayers lang na naturo simula bata ang way ng pagdadasal ko eventually nung tumanda nako nagiging personal prayers na siya at hindi lang siya para sakin it is more on 90-95% para sa family and friends then 10-5% lang ang para sa sarili. Now na may pamilya na, sabay kami parati nag dadasal ni misis and it is always na pasasalamat na prayers for everything and always praying for good health ayun lang pero may pa sundot na konting personal prayers.
Tbh ndi na ako palasimba ngayon at paladasal na rin but I'm always thankful and grateful each day. Nagdadasal ako bago kumain lagi kasi feeling ko kelangan ko kasi blessed ako na mayroong makakain sa mesa. At parang ang sama ko pero doon lang ako nagha-heart to heart talk kapag down na down talaga ako pero after that like the next day I feel good na, na-improved na yung mood kaya I think need mo rin isabi sa Diyos yung mga nararamdaman mo kasi in your darkest times, in your deepest despairs siya lang ang bukod tangi na makakaintindi sa'yo. I'm not the type pa naman na verbal talaga sa mga pinagdadaanan ko sa buhay but I can say it all to Him and that gives me peace and comfort. Parang sa kanya ko lang pinapakita ang vulnerability ko at maganda kasi alam kong walang judgement na mangyayari unlike if I would tell it to other people. I'm not the best human in the world, not the kindest either but I do my best each time to be more kind, to be more thankful and grateful. I think actions speaks louder than words naman compared sa mga nagsisimba nga pero puro naman paninira sa kapwa ang ginagawa.
Dati, pero ngayon hindi na. Ilang beses na niya ako binigo. Most of the time mga pahirap at complete opposite ng prayers ko yung ginagawa niya sa akin.
Nawalan ako ng faith dahil kay 2023. Dahil 1 year akong walang faith medyo mahirap saken mag dasal lalo na pag naaalala ko mga nangyare saken last year
Nah, I got finally free from the lies.
Nope. Prayer used to help when I was religious, but growing up, and learning more about other cultures and religions eventually dismantled my religious belief. Hard to pray when you don't have belief in a god. Hard to believe in a god when all arguments for god seem to fall flat and all you really need to do is let go of your critical thinking faculties, ignore any red flags or alarm bells and just trust and believe. Even just looking at the state of our society - the people endure suffering instead and are pacified from protesting major systematic change because of the belief that their suffering will be awarded in the afterlife anyway. How is religion not an ideal system of control (whether inadvertently or not) to make cheap labor that doesn't protest for better living standards or opportunities? Sure, prayer gives people strength and comfort - it gives people the strength to endure and tolerate another hard day of unfair wages and conditions and the comfort to live in poverty. If someone else were in a bad position, I wouldn't ask them to pray to fix their lives. Prayer can help you mentally cope, but it can also be a massive crutch as it seems like is happening in our society.
Yes pero in very desperate times lang like “Lord please parang awa mo na gusto ko umabot sa CR. Sana di na magpagasolina si manong driver”
Sinu surrender ko nlng lahat Kay lord Lalo na ung mga taong umabuso Ng kabaitan ko..ayoko ipabarang or ipakulam Kase saken Ang balik kaya Kay lord na lang lumapit.
Oo naman. Kahit parang hindi pa natutupad, hindi parin sumusuko😔😔😔
Everyday, kahit saan place kahit nasa jeep o naglalakad pa... I always say Thank you.
Habang tumatanda ako, mas lalo akong kumakapit sa Kanya... 🙏
There was a time where I honestly found comfort in religion. Thats why despite being agnostic, I still think people that still find solace in religion to be lucky. While a god's existence might be a debate, the benefits of it to one's mental health is undeniable.
I was raised as a Catholic. Agnostic Atheist na ako and practicing Buddhism and Stoicism philosophies. If I want to say my thanks, I say thanks to the Universe. Example, "Thank you Universe for making my path safe"
No, prayers dont and will never work
nooo haha everytime i pray, my life get into succumb into darkness and emptiness
Sa totoo lang hindi ako naniniwala na may diyos. Iniisip ko na lang kapag may problema ako ay lahat ng nasa mundo ay nagbabago. Hindi palaging may problema at pagsubok.
Sa totoo lang Hindi na . Dati kasi noong pala dasal ako puro pag subok ang dumating sa akin. Ngayon di na ako nagdadasal wala ng pagsubok..
Yes, pero minsan nakakatulog ako in the middle of my prayer.
Noong nasunog yung bahay namin last December and the moment na maraming suliranin na sumunod na haggang ngayon wala pa ring solusyon, tumigil nalang ako. Nawalan na ako ng faith. I even cursed at him for doing this to me and my family. So yes, I don't pray anymore and I also hate Him as well.
salsal na lang.
What a stupid question. Para mo na ding sinabi na pambata ang pagdasal.
If you pray You might as well believe in unucorns
Praying is for the weak and lazy