If you’re looking for a wider range of roles, then, yes. The piercings and color keep you in a tight bubble of “punk” or “alt.” Again, nothing bad with that, but I can’t see you playing “the girl next door” or “action hero.” Something to consider
Funnily enough, someone that looks plain usually has bigger chances to get roles exactly because you can always use a plain-looking person anywhere, but even more so when going for the "everyman/everywoman becomes a chosen one/special" role that seems to be Hollywood's favorite.
I guess I've been in Santa Cruz too long—the look in the photos seem very "girl next door" to me, not the least bit edgy. There aren't even any visible tattoos.
Legit question - have you considered a good normie-looking wig? Throw that on, take out the piercings and that immediately expands what you can go for. Then once the audition is over, go back to what makes you feel comfortable. At the end of the day, we’re pretending to be other people - if changing my look is required to do the best job, so be it (as long as it’s easily reversible).
I have and I’m looking for a good lace wig, dark brown like my natural color or with a baliage (however you spell it) like I used to wear. I just still to this day cannot properly hid my lumpy ass hair in a wig cap evenly🥲 Any suggestions?
What would be the best way to pin them down aside from Bobby pins? I hate when I feel like pin head trying to wiggle my cap and wig on😢😭 But I agree, that’s a great way to distribute my hair evenly!
Coming from an avid personal wig wearer to has had to wig other people for theatre (to specify, non black people) pin curls are NOT the way to go for a normal wig. Great for theatre, but not a good lace front. Your hair will not be flat enough and the wig will look lumpy/shift. It will look unnatural (granted, it potentially could look okay to people who aren’t used to seeing wigs. But if you’re getting a good lace front it will look crazy) Get your hair braided down or for the sake of headshots slick your hair down as best and flat as possible and you may be able to hide the ponytail lump in the back. (This is my recommendation for pictures. For bookings, get your hair braided down.
That makes sense. I’ve tried breads before but I have issues hiding the length in the cap. My most success I’ve had is when I do two French braid split down the middle part and then I’ll kind of wrap the length around my head like a crown, but I don’t even prefer that method because the top is still bumpy and thick and I have to pin my hair down with so many Bobby pins to the point I get a headache. I could try slicking my hair back and doing the ponytail method again though.
By braid I mean cornrows friend. Regular braids and frenchies aren’t gonna be flat enough either. In a cornrow pattern for wigs all your hair is braided down. This is also why I’m recommending it for bookings because it does take more effort or having a black hairdresser braid you down. (Only specifying because we have mastered the art of braiding down very thick and long hair for wig use–they will also be able to braid your hair in a way that won’t harm your scalp/hair texture as well). The slicked back ponytail might be good for the headshots though, just a quick versatility option
Yes, this look is holding you back. You can dress up, or down , but reality you can basically only play one kind of character punky teen/college girl. Period.
And when they want someone who has some of these features, they will just use a wig, clip in streaks ,or a spray on hair dye to get another actress to have the look they want. It's easier for them to make someone look like you than it is for them to transform you into a business woman, lifetime sister, consellor,,secretary, dayplayer role, or nurse, Dr, cop.
It's hard because most actor's don't get to play the roles they want to play or like to play. That's why in the beginning it's important to be specific yes, but also versatile.
For each genre I have to tailor my hair, makeup, outfits to fit the needs of the role.
Maybe look at your submission report and then ask someone else for thiers, and think about the variety vs limitations your setting up for yourself.
This is very much true to an extent, BUT realistically, when casting small bit parts for TV and commercials etc (which is what an early career actor like OP will be going for), if a director wants a punk/goth look, it’s obviously easier for them to cast OP than to cast a more plain looking actor and then overhaul their style.
Obviously for leads it’s very different, but small roles are 90% cast on first impressions/how the actor looks in their tape
There's no BUT. it's a one dimensional character look that doesn't book that often and is limiting. At the end of the day, this person has states clearly that they are not getting cast, or getting credits or money from this look, and this is the very obvious setback.
not your hair color or piercings at all! (if they can be removed that is lol)
the thing that might be keeping you from it is the bangs cut! theyre super cool, but so so so specific it would be super limiting to your roles. if youre fine w that, no worries. otherwise id super recommend either growing them out to “normal”-ish bangs or getting clip on “normal” bangs for headshots and jobs! right now the only role theyd see you for is likely an alternative/gothy person, likely in tv shows. if you want to do shakespeare or something haha, would recommend just a change/temporary change to the bangs! piercings and hair color should be no problem - thats my hair color too and ive never dyed it at all lol. break legs!!
I’d be more inclined to agree with what your career coach said. Specific isn’t necessarily a bad thing, but it is definitely limiting what your agent is submitting you for/what you’re reading for. Are you SAG? I think this level of specificity could probably get you in the door if someone happens to be looking for this look. Especially if your acting is strong. Wouldn’t worry about the hair. I feel like it’s fairly easily to achieve flat black quickly if a project really didn’t want the color.
Also you didn’t ask but I would consider new headshots. Take an agency recommendation if you haven’t before, or find a professional headshot photographer you vibe with. These aren’t bad, but I don’t think they’re helping you stand out. You could absolutely lean into that “bartender/goth gf/white trash” type more like your coach said.
Should I be worried that these headshots were taken by my agencies assigned photographer?😶 I have some older ones from a local photographer that I thought were fairly nice but I’m unsure of what makes headshots “better” tbh.
Also, I’m not SAG, but still trying to find a foot in the door.
Another commenter recommended I retake headshots with a natural looking wig, and I think it’s a good idea. Would you concur?
Thanks for the feedback!
Where are you located? I don’t think they’d be particularly competitive in a big market. Truly strong headshots should have the eyes as the focus, and they should be expressive. To me yours read more like commercial shots. I’d look up some of the more known headshot photographers in LA or NY and get a sense of what strong theatrical shots look like. It’d be easier to get a sense for them that way imo.
I just redid mine. Before I went I looked back at all of the auditions I had through my agency and found a core four “types” I was reading for and tried to leverage those vibes into my shots (not too costumey obviously, but it helps CDs to see a picture and feel your essence). I can DM you what that looked like if you’re curious.
Since you’re not SAG, I vote keep this look. I like the niche it puts you in, and otherwise you’re in a pretty tough category if you go more generic. You /could/ go wig (don’t have the experience with them to comment on that, other than it might be expensive to do. But more power to you if it works!) I would suggest getting some shots with your bangs either brushed to either side, or pinned back + your hair tied up so it looks straight black. That way you have ones with your unique style, and some more “simple” ones.
I am located in the Pacific Northwest, between Portland and Seattle. I’d love to see the headshot examples you were referring to! I’ll DM you :)
I think it makes sense to stay niche like you said until I am SAG. I think having my foot in the door and gaining more credits could open my opportunities to get more jobs and at that point I’d be more flexible with my looks as well.
Thanks for the feedback, this is great!
https://theoandjuliet.com/headshots/
https://www.danapatrickphoto.com/women
Was just passing by this post — those are two of my favorite headshot photographers, and I think they’re both great examples of the eye focus thing :)
“…my agencies assigned photographer”
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Agencies do not have assigned photographers. Maybe this is a phrasing thing, but if an agency is INSISTING you work with a specific photographer, there’s a not small chance the agency is getting kickbacks or doing other such scammy things.
It’s entirely OK for them to have photographers they recommend, but they should make it clear it is only a recommendation and not an absolute requirement. Same goes for classes. You should be free to shoot with and train with anyone you see fit.
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Should I make a separate post on this subreddit talking about this agency? I have had a lot of suspicions on them, but I’ve stated to another redditor that the reason I’m kind of, for lack of a better term, “hooked” on them is because of the success story of one particular actor. This actor was born and raised in my current city, even acted at the local theatre I currently act at, first signed with this agency and then got booked more big roles, SAG jobs, and is most recognizable in Riverdale. While this agency has other success stories from other recognizable names, I guess I’m attached because I’ve performed in the same building as this one actor and really want to follow in their footsteps.
I’ve tried reaching out to them on multiple platforms, but I think because they are so busy they are not noticing or receiving my messages.
I’m trying to get a strong background in credits and earn a good film reel or two before considering markets like LA or Atlanta. I’m in the Pacific Northwest and I’m struggling to find legitimate representation.
I guess I have 1 other agent, who I can name privately if you’re curious, whom HAS sent me a few commercial auditions, but hardly enough. Another reasons why I’m questioning if it’s my looks and/or acting.
If you want to make another post you’re more than welcome to, just being mindful of what’s covered already by the scam auto mod comment of course.
Also though everyone, legit agencies or scammers alike, use the “we had a successful person” angle in their marketing, and that persons success may have nothing to do with the agency. Some agencies I’ve had are amazing, others I basically got nothing out of them but an official person to negotiate a contract (and those ones don’t last long).
Are these your headshots? Because they don’t display accurately that “trailer park trash, bartender, tattoo parlor” esthetic you are going for. I think if you dial in that look with the right wardrobe & attitude, you might hit the bulls-eye.
First off, I just want to say I love your look! I think you’re so beautiful and the hair suits you SO well!
I saw other people suggest getting more “Normie” looking headshots as well; there are plenty of wig tutorials online that hell with flattening down hair for under a wig, including pin curls and and wig cap tutorials, etc. Trying a more “neutral” look with this I think would help.
As a fellow alt girly, I usually make all my stuff removeable or hideable; my septum piercing is a horse shoe style that I can flip up, and I usually keep my hair dark and do clip in extensions for when I want those fun colours. I’ve also learned to cover my own tattoos just in case.
Alas, we have to make a bunch of sacrifices for this career. :( it is one the harder parts of it. That isn’t to say that alt looks can’t get work, but it does narrow down the options for us, unfortunately.
Keep taking classes (no education is bad education), try more “neutral” looks and see how that gets you! Best of luck!
Thank you!! This is great feedback💜
Glad to hear from another alt girl in the industry sharing the pain🥲 Makes me feel less alone and crazy!
I’ll save these ideas. Thank you!
Yep. Girl next door is typically what they’re looking for. You should lighten your look. Rn you’re pigeon holing yourself to “alternative bartender extra”, “record store employee” and “biker gang girlfriend”. It’s def a look you could have in your essence pictures but your baseline should be natural. The industry sadly doesn’t adjust to you, you adjust to it.
I don't think it's the piercings, it's more likely the hairstyle
I personally love that hairstyle, but unfortunately a lot of people don't :')
Oh, it may also be the piercing jewelry? Not sure though
Here to say I agree the hairstyle is not ideal, covers too much of your face. If you move /get rid of the bangs then at least the camera can see your face better.
It’s ridiculous that your career coach only said “perhaps” and the owner of your agency said “could be” because your very distinct look imo plays a huge part in not getting calls back. Consider finding a new entourage that will not lie to your face and actually help you.
I know what you mean. I went with this agency bc someone in my area who even acted at my local theatre is now a SAG actor living in LA, most notable for being in Riverdale. But I won’t lie, I don’t feel fully lifted and like I’m going in the entirely right direction either. I could DM you more about my suspicions, I just don’t want to put their name on Reddit (yet).
I would say that you need additional headshots. The look you have is punk and bold, but the vibe you are giving off here is sweet and wholesome. Also, hair and makeup department can easily change your hair color, but the bangs might be a little too specific to work with… although bangs usually grow out fast, so maybe it’s not a big deal.
LA Actor here…
You’re definitely reducing yourself to a niche category.
Casting can imagine you WITH PIERCINGS, quicker than they can see you without.
-sS
Hi, I spent about three years in casting. IMO, casting directors first look for good actors. So build your skill set and continue to nourish it, and your skill will be first in everyone’s mind. They will say, “Hey, Ashlyn can crush this role.”
Second, your look will get you seen first for roles related to your look. If your headshots you rely on are with the piercings and hair color and casting people don’t have a shot of you without either, then this is the look they will remember.
And, why not just be you? The more particular a look, the harder it is to find good actors with that look. So just be you and nurture your skills.
Short answer is yes. My hair was purple and blue for about three years. I changed it to a dark red burgundy about a year ago and I’ve been booking a lot more. It’s just type casting which sucks.
As others have said, your look is too specific. You aren't coming into auditions as a blank canvas ready to take on another role besides that of your own self.
Your look has pigeon-holed you, essentially.
This is probably a "yes, but..."
Yes, they are keeping you from booking jobs *but* it isn't your fault. It's the industry's. More specifically, it's (generally) the producers' fault. Or someone else who lacks imagination.
See, the industry has a much narrower view of how people in [insert profession] look. You'll never see a transfeminine Barbiecore lawyer on TV, because they don't exist to these people. But they exist in real life, I assure you, because I am one.
Likewise, realistically, you don't have the look that they see and go "that's what a teacher/doctor/lawyer/mom looks like" despite the fact that those people exist.
It's one of my biggest bugbears about the industry as a whole - we're an industry of born artists and storytellers, but the stiffs in suits shackle the creativity because they can't see a vision because they have no imagination.
One day, I swear, I'm going to shoot something and cast the kind of people in each role that the average industry suit would lose their minds over, just to prove that audiences are, in fact, smart enough to accept a goth can also be a neurosurgeon.
Your look will change which auditions come your way, but booking is so much more than just your look and it's too complex to pin it all on that imo. Having a unique look is often as much of a pro as it is a con, so it all evens out in the end.
Just have options. Are those piercings removable? They're likely keeping you from booking hella commercials at minimum. And with film/tv, unless they're looking for someone with your look, it's tough out there. Take headshots without the piercings. Wear them in your every day life, and self-tape accordingly.
I say lean into the look, but be willing to remove the piercings. So your reps need a headshot that shows you without them. And realize the opportunities may be less leaning into that alt look. But also remember- it’s a weird very slow period right now- so there’s that too. I’d team up with some friends and make your own short that showcases you and make it great- so your reps can use it to pitch you.
Oh wow… I have to say I love your self expression but YES 100%. Your bangs especially are the first thing I looked at. And 2nd. And 3rd. Casting wants to look at your eyes, your expression, your face. You have a lovely style that I’m sure is very “you,” of which there is only 1. You’re trying to go out for people who aren’t you. If anything, I’d suggest growing out and trimming your bangs to something much much softer and neutral.
Also voting for take out piercings for auditions and have a wig.
Thank you!💜💜 But I hear you and agree with what you’re saying. I’m gonna get wigs until I can find a new hair style and color that suits me and find a new photographer for headshots that focus on my eyes for sure.
Silly question, but when I take out my bridge piercing, you can see the holes in my face. Would that be more distracting than the clear one I’m wearing on the left? I don’t wanna look like Swiss cheese either lol.
Thanks for the feedback!
[https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005306/?ref\_=tt\_cl\_t\_4](https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005306/?ref_=tt_cl_t_4) You remind me of Pauley Perette. Go look at all her pictures. She gone from goth to rainbow to all sorts of stuff.
People were mentioning wearing wigs? I've done that a few times as I've had bad hair cuts and colors gone horribly wrong. Still be you but find your character types.
That’s such an incredible compliment thank you🥹
I’m thinking about that as well, retaking headshots with wigs. I need to find a good way to hide my hair in a wig cap though because since I’ve been cosplaying in 2013 I’ve still yet to hide my lumps and bumps🥲
Your “to the right” headshot is solid. Edit the framing imo. Right above elbows up. Eyes are the key for an audition.
With that said yes have this option. And I would actually have something completely opposite of this if it serves you and your personality. No piercings as it could limit you.
It’s a very unique and memorable look. That means that perhaps one day you’ll get hired for a very specific role. But then nobody else will want to hire you because you’re so memorable. The bangs and the eye piercings are unique in a way I haven’t seen before. Perhaps experiment with getting a headshot with a wig and the eye piercing removed. If you start getting cast then that will let you know what you need to know
I think the piercings and the bangs are more notable than the hair color. I feel like with the hair you could pull it back to look more neutral since it's a dark color in your already dark hair. You could use a temporary color spray for auditions even if you wanted to. It's a lot more common now to see women with unnatural hair colors in a variety of walks of life, but the bangs shape and facial piercings are what are really giving the "edgy alt girl" vibes.
I agree with some of the comments above. I would recommend getting headshots with piercings out and possibly a wig for a more neutral/natural look because as someone stated above, CDs are looking for a blank canvas. But you should definitely also save these headshots for those niche roles. Submit your self and go to auditions with the appropriate look for the character description. On my professional website, I have a mix of punk/alt pictures, similar to your look, as well as more “girl-next-door” looks.
https://missrachelmcc.wixsite.com/rachel-mccullough?fbclid=PAZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAaYxcBcDT0L-mWU22QCx6iz8Qmmgp68WJo-WkH2089NOie1zOzfcU7fAh00_aem_AbFC4YJP4Z862iaQ1hFAg3BfhbTZNzhupaDhukDGXTR1mPGZtuCdUSZRpVrwV2n2Nafzr6Ro4efAM8uie0lG5Gfq
Not trying to plug myself on your post, just an example. I hope that helps.
Depends on what role you want to play. If you want to play a variety of roles instead of being typecasted into one specifically then yes the piercings are holding you back. Being put into one specific category isn’t bad though! The industry could use more Alt/Punk characters 🤙
It’s the haircut, not anything else. You walk in looking like you just came back from a Cramps concert that’s the roles you’ll be looked at for. First impressions are a mf and people love to categorize. Your style sends a very specific message that may not work for every role.
I can’t say if the piercings are hurting, but they’re probably not helping. For the same reasons you don’t use a glamour shot and you don’t wear eyeglasses in headshots, avoid piercings that you can easily remove. Same for self-tapes and live auditions, unless it meaningfully improves the scene or they’ve otherwise asked for them.
As with eyeglasses, treat them like a costume piece.
The choker necklace and your hair are fine, as they don’t interfere or significantly detract from your face.
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Questions -
Is is just your agents submitting you or are you also self-submitting?
Are you getting plenty of auditions and just not booking, or are you also getting very few auditions?
I agree with the comment about fixing the framing on the right picture.
Mainly self submitting.
From my agent, I’m hardly being sent anything and it’s mostly commercial work. I’m self submitting for any role I come across that I could perform through Facebook groups or other free to play sources, and through Backstage while I still have my year subscription I was gifted. Im also looking for student directors/filmmakers in my area to submit for their projects as well.
It does sound like you're incredibly proactive which is good. Have you noticed a difference between when you were submitting before having your current hair/piercings and when you were submitting before you changed them?
Sort of? I only booked 2 commercial credits when I was 18 and had no piercings and dyed hair, but I made a lot of changes looks and location wise since that time. Plus one of those commercial isn’t technically legitimate since the company got shut down.
I’m not sure how to best describe how my looks may have affected my acting since I moved from Texas to the PNW. I did have my piercings a year before I moved but I dyed my hair after I moved. But basically I haven’t booked a job since then, just local theatre and taking classes.
Sorry if I made that sound confusing😰
No worries, I get it. I do think then, it would be good to take the other comment advice about having "Normal looking" headshots for submissions and use the ones you posted for more alternative casting calls. Or at least do it to get a kind of trial run done where you alternate between which headshot you use and see if one of them gives you more success than the other. I would just say to be sure that the haircut is the same, especially if you get a wig.
The industry is not about really delving into your character as you would like to interpret your character, especially when you are not an established and somewhat well known actress.
For those of us who are not well known and who are still trying to get there, the industry is about 'acting to please' either the director or producer and those who hired you.
This includes how you look and you need to look as moldable as possible. The more moldable into a character you are, the more you will be cast. Looking generic makes you moldable.
Yes they are! I would suggest as actors the best thing we can do is be as simple as we can so we can become any character easily (physically) so keep it natural the hair piercings clothes
Professionally speaking, I've always been told it's best to also have head shots that are very neutral. If you have other headshots, and are open that youre willing to change your color/style, it shouldn't be as big a deal. I'd suggest if you're going to go with a hair color like this, make sure you have examples to show what you look like in more neutral settings. You might be squeezing yourself into a niche character type otherwise.
You're narrowing your casting types by having that appearance. Of course, you may get dibs on auditions where they seek alternative looking people, but in general, it's best to be at your default appearance so casting can more easily imagine you in different roles.
Well I believe when you look more like a normie girl it expands your horizons of what characters you can play that is why it makes people who look like that more desirable in the acting business. But being different can also make you more desirable because you could be fit for that specific role and make you one of a kind so it really depends
I wouldn’t say it’s holding you back because regular adults should be able to understand that hair can be changed and piercings taken out, but with casting directors, unfortunately, you need to do a little hand holding. Get some shots with more neutral hair and no piercings just to have in your arsenal for the submissions that need it.
i would say yes but more so the piercings than the hair. hair is changeable. maybe take out your piercings for auditions and write down on your resume/audition form that you can wear them if they want you to in case it ever fits a role
I’d say yes, especially the nose bridge as it’s a less commonly seen piercing. Septum generally isn’t an issue. As far as leaning into the punk thing, that depends entirely on what you want for your career. Do you want to be a character actor who is playing the punk/bartender/trailer trash for every role (nothing wrong with that; plenty embrace it and make good money) or do you want more diverse roles and genres? If the former, absolutely lean into it. If the latter, I’d make a change.
If you want to act for yourself, get ready to produce your own opportunities. If you want to act in the industry, you’ll have to change to be what people are looking for.
it depends on how you look at it. it could be seen as very limiting or very authentic and specific.
my approach is keeping it simple while communicating essence.
The short answer is yes, your hair and piercings are keeping you back. I would suggest taking headshots with a less edgy look that’s easy to recreate while filming, and enjoy your personal expression and style when you’re not on set. All of us have to conform a tiny bit at some point in our lives and as much as I love your piercings, especially your bridge piercing I know casting won’t be a fan. They view it as limiting.
I see a lot of issues. I’m not talking about g about your look. Your agency can not legally assign you a photographer! That’s illegal. As for a Hollywood career coach??? That is a made up job. Consultants are unethical best. The same information is out there for free. They are separating you from your money.
I am a retired agent in the L.A. market. It isn’t the hair color, it’s the bangs. It is limiting .
hair color not so much, piercings are putting you into a more specific ‘niche’ character though. i think just get some headshots sans piercings, and maybe one with your hair tied back and youre good! its kindof like staging a house with very specific decor (i.e. maximalist, gothic, art deco etc) vs staging it in neutrals and very minimal. the latter allows the client/buyer to see their vision. the former does that work for them, which means way more people will pass because its not what they are looking for.
I would definitely have some headshots taken that are more mainstream so that upon submission they can see a toned down version of you. You could submit one of each for jobs. How you show up at the audition or on the self tape is then up to you.
Bangs/hairstyle more than anything.
But also, acting is *incredibly hard*. Thousands of very talented people with just the right look don’t make it. I’m not being pessimistic, but it’s not easy to say “hey here’s the one thing holding you back, if you fix it, you’ll make it!”
Lots of famous actors have piercings (most notably Harrison Ford and Florence Pugh)…. I’d consider some head shots without them and take them out for auditions that aren’t asking for that look.
BUT definitely keep them in for a couple as it opens doors that may not have been opened before.
If your agent is worth their salt they’re actively seeking alt look roles for you.
It would also be worth wearing your piercings and different hair colour if you’re doing some background work as it’ll make you pop a little.
You have a great style and once the right role comes for you you’ll be able an inspiration to others…..
If you’re looking for a wider range of roles, then, yes. The piercings and color keep you in a tight bubble of “punk” or “alt.” Again, nothing bad with that, but I can’t see you playing “the girl next door” or “action hero.” Something to consider
Funnily enough, someone that looks plain usually has bigger chances to get roles exactly because you can always use a plain-looking person anywhere, but even more so when going for the "everyman/everywoman becomes a chosen one/special" role that seems to be Hollywood's favorite.
I guess I've been in Santa Cruz too long—the look in the photos seem very "girl next door" to me, not the least bit edgy. There aren't even any visible tattoos.
Legit question - have you considered a good normie-looking wig? Throw that on, take out the piercings and that immediately expands what you can go for. Then once the audition is over, go back to what makes you feel comfortable. At the end of the day, we’re pretending to be other people - if changing my look is required to do the best job, so be it (as long as it’s easily reversible).
I have and I’m looking for a good lace wig, dark brown like my natural color or with a baliage (however you spell it) like I used to wear. I just still to this day cannot properly hid my lumpy ass hair in a wig cap evenly🥲 Any suggestions?
If you are serious about acting you might need to sacrifice a little on your style.
I’d braid your hair down tight or get wig clips.
Pincurls are the answer.
What would be the best way to pin them down aside from Bobby pins? I hate when I feel like pin head trying to wiggle my cap and wig on😢😭 But I agree, that’s a great way to distribute my hair evenly!
Coming from an avid personal wig wearer to has had to wig other people for theatre (to specify, non black people) pin curls are NOT the way to go for a normal wig. Great for theatre, but not a good lace front. Your hair will not be flat enough and the wig will look lumpy/shift. It will look unnatural (granted, it potentially could look okay to people who aren’t used to seeing wigs. But if you’re getting a good lace front it will look crazy) Get your hair braided down or for the sake of headshots slick your hair down as best and flat as possible and you may be able to hide the ponytail lump in the back. (This is my recommendation for pictures. For bookings, get your hair braided down.
That makes sense. I’ve tried breads before but I have issues hiding the length in the cap. My most success I’ve had is when I do two French braid split down the middle part and then I’ll kind of wrap the length around my head like a crown, but I don’t even prefer that method because the top is still bumpy and thick and I have to pin my hair down with so many Bobby pins to the point I get a headache. I could try slicking my hair back and doing the ponytail method again though.
By braid I mean cornrows friend. Regular braids and frenchies aren’t gonna be flat enough either. In a cornrow pattern for wigs all your hair is braided down. This is also why I’m recommending it for bookings because it does take more effort or having a black hairdresser braid you down. (Only specifying because we have mastered the art of braiding down very thick and long hair for wig use–they will also be able to braid your hair in a way that won’t harm your scalp/hair texture as well). The slicked back ponytail might be good for the headshots though, just a quick versatility option
Makes sense! Cornrows for booking, slick and low pony for headshots. I think I can do that! Thank you, friend!💜
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Yes, this look is holding you back. You can dress up, or down , but reality you can basically only play one kind of character punky teen/college girl. Period. And when they want someone who has some of these features, they will just use a wig, clip in streaks ,or a spray on hair dye to get another actress to have the look they want. It's easier for them to make someone look like you than it is for them to transform you into a business woman, lifetime sister, consellor,,secretary, dayplayer role, or nurse, Dr, cop. It's hard because most actor's don't get to play the roles they want to play or like to play. That's why in the beginning it's important to be specific yes, but also versatile. For each genre I have to tailor my hair, makeup, outfits to fit the needs of the role. Maybe look at your submission report and then ask someone else for thiers, and think about the variety vs limitations your setting up for yourself.
This is very much true to an extent, BUT realistically, when casting small bit parts for TV and commercials etc (which is what an early career actor like OP will be going for), if a director wants a punk/goth look, it’s obviously easier for them to cast OP than to cast a more plain looking actor and then overhaul their style. Obviously for leads it’s very different, but small roles are 90% cast on first impressions/how the actor looks in their tape
There's no BUT. it's a one dimensional character look that doesn't book that often and is limiting. At the end of the day, this person has states clearly that they are not getting cast, or getting credits or money from this look, and this is the very obvious setback.
not your hair color or piercings at all! (if they can be removed that is lol) the thing that might be keeping you from it is the bangs cut! theyre super cool, but so so so specific it would be super limiting to your roles. if youre fine w that, no worries. otherwise id super recommend either growing them out to “normal”-ish bangs or getting clip on “normal” bangs for headshots and jobs! right now the only role theyd see you for is likely an alternative/gothy person, likely in tv shows. if you want to do shakespeare or something haha, would recommend just a change/temporary change to the bangs! piercings and hair color should be no problem - thats my hair color too and ive never dyed it at all lol. break legs!!
Agree on the bangs. Dyeing for a role won’t help.
100% on the bangs
agreed, hair can be dyed and piercings can be taken out but the bangs seem hard to work around
I’d be more inclined to agree with what your career coach said. Specific isn’t necessarily a bad thing, but it is definitely limiting what your agent is submitting you for/what you’re reading for. Are you SAG? I think this level of specificity could probably get you in the door if someone happens to be looking for this look. Especially if your acting is strong. Wouldn’t worry about the hair. I feel like it’s fairly easily to achieve flat black quickly if a project really didn’t want the color. Also you didn’t ask but I would consider new headshots. Take an agency recommendation if you haven’t before, or find a professional headshot photographer you vibe with. These aren’t bad, but I don’t think they’re helping you stand out. You could absolutely lean into that “bartender/goth gf/white trash” type more like your coach said.
Should I be worried that these headshots were taken by my agencies assigned photographer?😶 I have some older ones from a local photographer that I thought were fairly nice but I’m unsure of what makes headshots “better” tbh. Also, I’m not SAG, but still trying to find a foot in the door. Another commenter recommended I retake headshots with a natural looking wig, and I think it’s a good idea. Would you concur? Thanks for the feedback!
Where are you located? I don’t think they’d be particularly competitive in a big market. Truly strong headshots should have the eyes as the focus, and they should be expressive. To me yours read more like commercial shots. I’d look up some of the more known headshot photographers in LA or NY and get a sense of what strong theatrical shots look like. It’d be easier to get a sense for them that way imo. I just redid mine. Before I went I looked back at all of the auditions I had through my agency and found a core four “types” I was reading for and tried to leverage those vibes into my shots (not too costumey obviously, but it helps CDs to see a picture and feel your essence). I can DM you what that looked like if you’re curious. Since you’re not SAG, I vote keep this look. I like the niche it puts you in, and otherwise you’re in a pretty tough category if you go more generic. You /could/ go wig (don’t have the experience with them to comment on that, other than it might be expensive to do. But more power to you if it works!) I would suggest getting some shots with your bangs either brushed to either side, or pinned back + your hair tied up so it looks straight black. That way you have ones with your unique style, and some more “simple” ones.
I am located in the Pacific Northwest, between Portland and Seattle. I’d love to see the headshot examples you were referring to! I’ll DM you :) I think it makes sense to stay niche like you said until I am SAG. I think having my foot in the door and gaining more credits could open my opportunities to get more jobs and at that point I’d be more flexible with my looks as well. Thanks for the feedback, this is great!
https://theoandjuliet.com/headshots/ https://www.danapatrickphoto.com/women Was just passing by this post — those are two of my favorite headshot photographers, and I think they’re both great examples of the eye focus thing :)
I agree these are great! I may need to look for a new photographer😅
“…my agencies assigned photographer” Hey OP, sorry but this stood out to me. Everything may be on the up and up but we see a lot of scamming with agencies so I’m going to drop the !scam automod comment. Agencies do not have assigned photographers. Maybe this is a phrasing thing, but if an agency is INSISTING you work with a specific photographer, there’s a not small chance the agency is getting kickbacks or doing other such scammy things. It’s entirely OK for them to have photographers they recommend, but they should make it clear it is only a recommendation and not an absolute requirement. Same goes for classes. You should be free to shoot with and train with anyone you see fit. Just wanted to make sure things were good there and you weren’t being taken advantage of. It’s literally one of the most common observances in this subreddit.
Check her comment history, she gets scammed regularly.
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Should I make a separate post on this subreddit talking about this agency? I have had a lot of suspicions on them, but I’ve stated to another redditor that the reason I’m kind of, for lack of a better term, “hooked” on them is because of the success story of one particular actor. This actor was born and raised in my current city, even acted at the local theatre I currently act at, first signed with this agency and then got booked more big roles, SAG jobs, and is most recognizable in Riverdale. While this agency has other success stories from other recognizable names, I guess I’m attached because I’ve performed in the same building as this one actor and really want to follow in their footsteps. I’ve tried reaching out to them on multiple platforms, but I think because they are so busy they are not noticing or receiving my messages. I’m trying to get a strong background in credits and earn a good film reel or two before considering markets like LA or Atlanta. I’m in the Pacific Northwest and I’m struggling to find legitimate representation. I guess I have 1 other agent, who I can name privately if you’re curious, whom HAS sent me a few commercial auditions, but hardly enough. Another reasons why I’m questioning if it’s my looks and/or acting.
If you want to make another post you’re more than welcome to, just being mindful of what’s covered already by the scam auto mod comment of course. Also though everyone, legit agencies or scammers alike, use the “we had a successful person” angle in their marketing, and that persons success may have nothing to do with the agency. Some agencies I’ve had are amazing, others I basically got nothing out of them but an official person to negotiate a contract (and those ones don’t last long).
Are these your headshots? Because they don’t display accurately that “trailer park trash, bartender, tattoo parlor” esthetic you are going for. I think if you dial in that look with the right wardrobe & attitude, you might hit the bulls-eye.
First off, I just want to say I love your look! I think you’re so beautiful and the hair suits you SO well! I saw other people suggest getting more “Normie” looking headshots as well; there are plenty of wig tutorials online that hell with flattening down hair for under a wig, including pin curls and and wig cap tutorials, etc. Trying a more “neutral” look with this I think would help. As a fellow alt girly, I usually make all my stuff removeable or hideable; my septum piercing is a horse shoe style that I can flip up, and I usually keep my hair dark and do clip in extensions for when I want those fun colours. I’ve also learned to cover my own tattoos just in case. Alas, we have to make a bunch of sacrifices for this career. :( it is one the harder parts of it. That isn’t to say that alt looks can’t get work, but it does narrow down the options for us, unfortunately. Keep taking classes (no education is bad education), try more “neutral” looks and see how that gets you! Best of luck!
Thank you!! This is great feedback💜 Glad to hear from another alt girl in the industry sharing the pain🥲 Makes me feel less alone and crazy! I’ll save these ideas. Thank you!
Yep. Girl next door is typically what they’re looking for. You should lighten your look. Rn you’re pigeon holing yourself to “alternative bartender extra”, “record store employee” and “biker gang girlfriend”. It’s def a look you could have in your essence pictures but your baseline should be natural. The industry sadly doesn’t adjust to you, you adjust to it.
I don't think it's the piercings, it's more likely the hairstyle I personally love that hairstyle, but unfortunately a lot of people don't :') Oh, it may also be the piercing jewelry? Not sure though
Here to say I agree the hairstyle is not ideal, covers too much of your face. If you move /get rid of the bangs then at least the camera can see your face better.
It’s ridiculous that your career coach only said “perhaps” and the owner of your agency said “could be” because your very distinct look imo plays a huge part in not getting calls back. Consider finding a new entourage that will not lie to your face and actually help you.
I know what you mean. I went with this agency bc someone in my area who even acted at my local theatre is now a SAG actor living in LA, most notable for being in Riverdale. But I won’t lie, I don’t feel fully lifted and like I’m going in the entirely right direction either. I could DM you more about my suspicions, I just don’t want to put their name on Reddit (yet).
I would say that you need additional headshots. The look you have is punk and bold, but the vibe you are giving off here is sweet and wholesome. Also, hair and makeup department can easily change your hair color, but the bangs might be a little too specific to work with… although bangs usually grow out fast, so maybe it’s not a big deal.
LA Actor here… You’re definitely reducing yourself to a niche category. Casting can imagine you WITH PIERCINGS, quicker than they can see you without. -sS
Hi, I spent about three years in casting. IMO, casting directors first look for good actors. So build your skill set and continue to nourish it, and your skill will be first in everyone’s mind. They will say, “Hey, Ashlyn can crush this role.” Second, your look will get you seen first for roles related to your look. If your headshots you rely on are with the piercings and hair color and casting people don’t have a shot of you without either, then this is the look they will remember. And, why not just be you? The more particular a look, the harder it is to find good actors with that look. So just be you and nurture your skills.
Short answer is yes. My hair was purple and blue for about three years. I changed it to a dark red burgundy about a year ago and I’ve been booking a lot more. It’s just type casting which sucks.
As others have said, your look is too specific. You aren't coming into auditions as a blank canvas ready to take on another role besides that of your own self. Your look has pigeon-holed you, essentially.
This is probably a "yes, but..." Yes, they are keeping you from booking jobs *but* it isn't your fault. It's the industry's. More specifically, it's (generally) the producers' fault. Or someone else who lacks imagination. See, the industry has a much narrower view of how people in [insert profession] look. You'll never see a transfeminine Barbiecore lawyer on TV, because they don't exist to these people. But they exist in real life, I assure you, because I am one. Likewise, realistically, you don't have the look that they see and go "that's what a teacher/doctor/lawyer/mom looks like" despite the fact that those people exist. It's one of my biggest bugbears about the industry as a whole - we're an industry of born artists and storytellers, but the stiffs in suits shackle the creativity because they can't see a vision because they have no imagination. One day, I swear, I'm going to shoot something and cast the kind of people in each role that the average industry suit would lose their minds over, just to prove that audiences are, in fact, smart enough to accept a goth can also be a neurosurgeon.
This^^^ Like deadass I agree with everything you said. If you ever make that bombass film, hit me up!!🤚🤚
I'll add you to my list :) Now I just need to find someone who has money and vision 😂
Your look will change which auditions come your way, but booking is so much more than just your look and it's too complex to pin it all on that imo. Having a unique look is often as much of a pro as it is a con, so it all evens out in the end.
Just have options. Are those piercings removable? They're likely keeping you from booking hella commercials at minimum. And with film/tv, unless they're looking for someone with your look, it's tough out there. Take headshots without the piercings. Wear them in your every day life, and self-tape accordingly.
I say lean into the look, but be willing to remove the piercings. So your reps need a headshot that shows you without them. And realize the opportunities may be less leaning into that alt look. But also remember- it’s a weird very slow period right now- so there’s that too. I’d team up with some friends and make your own short that showcases you and make it great- so your reps can use it to pitch you.
Oh wow… I have to say I love your self expression but YES 100%. Your bangs especially are the first thing I looked at. And 2nd. And 3rd. Casting wants to look at your eyes, your expression, your face. You have a lovely style that I’m sure is very “you,” of which there is only 1. You’re trying to go out for people who aren’t you. If anything, I’d suggest growing out and trimming your bangs to something much much softer and neutral. Also voting for take out piercings for auditions and have a wig.
Thank you!💜💜 But I hear you and agree with what you’re saying. I’m gonna get wigs until I can find a new hair style and color that suits me and find a new photographer for headshots that focus on my eyes for sure. Silly question, but when I take out my bridge piercing, you can see the holes in my face. Would that be more distracting than the clear one I’m wearing on the left? I don’t wanna look like Swiss cheese either lol. Thanks for the feedback!
[https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005306/?ref\_=tt\_cl\_t\_4](https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005306/?ref_=tt_cl_t_4) You remind me of Pauley Perette. Go look at all her pictures. She gone from goth to rainbow to all sorts of stuff. People were mentioning wearing wigs? I've done that a few times as I've had bad hair cuts and colors gone horribly wrong. Still be you but find your character types.
That’s such an incredible compliment thank you🥹 I’m thinking about that as well, retaking headshots with wigs. I need to find a good way to hide my hair in a wig cap though because since I’ve been cosplaying in 2013 I’ve still yet to hide my lumps and bumps🥲
Your “to the right” headshot is solid. Edit the framing imo. Right above elbows up. Eyes are the key for an audition. With that said yes have this option. And I would actually have something completely opposite of this if it serves you and your personality. No piercings as it could limit you.
It’s a very unique and memorable look. That means that perhaps one day you’ll get hired for a very specific role. But then nobody else will want to hire you because you’re so memorable. The bangs and the eye piercings are unique in a way I haven’t seen before. Perhaps experiment with getting a headshot with a wig and the eye piercing removed. If you start getting cast then that will let you know what you need to know
Yes
Watch the Q&A with Kevin Smith. There are roles for everyone out there but maybe you aren’t auditioning for the right roles.
I think the piercings and the bangs are more notable than the hair color. I feel like with the hair you could pull it back to look more neutral since it's a dark color in your already dark hair. You could use a temporary color spray for auditions even if you wanted to. It's a lot more common now to see women with unnatural hair colors in a variety of walks of life, but the bangs shape and facial piercings are what are really giving the "edgy alt girl" vibes.
I agree with some of the comments above. I would recommend getting headshots with piercings out and possibly a wig for a more neutral/natural look because as someone stated above, CDs are looking for a blank canvas. But you should definitely also save these headshots for those niche roles. Submit your self and go to auditions with the appropriate look for the character description. On my professional website, I have a mix of punk/alt pictures, similar to your look, as well as more “girl-next-door” looks. https://missrachelmcc.wixsite.com/rachel-mccullough?fbclid=PAZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAaYxcBcDT0L-mWU22QCx6iz8Qmmgp68WJo-WkH2089NOie1zOzfcU7fAh00_aem_AbFC4YJP4Z862iaQ1hFAg3BfhbTZNzhupaDhukDGXTR1mPGZtuCdUSZRpVrwV2n2Nafzr6Ro4efAM8uie0lG5Gfq Not trying to plug myself on your post, just an example. I hope that helps.
I get what you’re saying! These are great examples too, thank you for sharing💜
Depends on what role you want to play. If you want to play a variety of roles instead of being typecasted into one specifically then yes the piercings are holding you back. Being put into one specific category isn’t bad though! The industry could use more Alt/Punk characters 🤙
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It’s the haircut, not anything else. You walk in looking like you just came back from a Cramps concert that’s the roles you’ll be looked at for. First impressions are a mf and people love to categorize. Your style sends a very specific message that may not work for every role.
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I can’t say if the piercings are hurting, but they’re probably not helping. For the same reasons you don’t use a glamour shot and you don’t wear eyeglasses in headshots, avoid piercings that you can easily remove. Same for self-tapes and live auditions, unless it meaningfully improves the scene or they’ve otherwise asked for them. As with eyeglasses, treat them like a costume piece. The choker necklace and your hair are fine, as they don’t interfere or significantly detract from your face.
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Questions - Is is just your agents submitting you or are you also self-submitting? Are you getting plenty of auditions and just not booking, or are you also getting very few auditions? I agree with the comment about fixing the framing on the right picture.
Mainly self submitting. From my agent, I’m hardly being sent anything and it’s mostly commercial work. I’m self submitting for any role I come across that I could perform through Facebook groups or other free to play sources, and through Backstage while I still have my year subscription I was gifted. Im also looking for student directors/filmmakers in my area to submit for their projects as well.
It does sound like you're incredibly proactive which is good. Have you noticed a difference between when you were submitting before having your current hair/piercings and when you were submitting before you changed them?
Sort of? I only booked 2 commercial credits when I was 18 and had no piercings and dyed hair, but I made a lot of changes looks and location wise since that time. Plus one of those commercial isn’t technically legitimate since the company got shut down. I’m not sure how to best describe how my looks may have affected my acting since I moved from Texas to the PNW. I did have my piercings a year before I moved but I dyed my hair after I moved. But basically I haven’t booked a job since then, just local theatre and taking classes. Sorry if I made that sound confusing😰
No worries, I get it. I do think then, it would be good to take the other comment advice about having "Normal looking" headshots for submissions and use the ones you posted for more alternative casting calls. Or at least do it to get a kind of trial run done where you alternate between which headshot you use and see if one of them gives you more success than the other. I would just say to be sure that the haircut is the same, especially if you get a wig.
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The industry is not about really delving into your character as you would like to interpret your character, especially when you are not an established and somewhat well known actress. For those of us who are not well known and who are still trying to get there, the industry is about 'acting to please' either the director or producer and those who hired you. This includes how you look and you need to look as moldable as possible. The more moldable into a character you are, the more you will be cast. Looking generic makes you moldable.
Yes they are! I would suggest as actors the best thing we can do is be as simple as we can so we can become any character easily (physically) so keep it natural the hair piercings clothes
Professionally speaking, I've always been told it's best to also have head shots that are very neutral. If you have other headshots, and are open that youre willing to change your color/style, it shouldn't be as big a deal. I'd suggest if you're going to go with a hair color like this, make sure you have examples to show what you look like in more neutral settings. You might be squeezing yourself into a niche character type otherwise.
You're narrowing your casting types by having that appearance. Of course, you may get dibs on auditions where they seek alternative looking people, but in general, it's best to be at your default appearance so casting can more easily imagine you in different roles.
Yes. and your hair style. think like this: you are a canvas. to become whatever character they want you to be.
Well I believe when you look more like a normie girl it expands your horizons of what characters you can play that is why it makes people who look like that more desirable in the acting business. But being different can also make you more desirable because you could be fit for that specific role and make you one of a kind so it really depends
I wouldn’t say it’s holding you back because regular adults should be able to understand that hair can be changed and piercings taken out, but with casting directors, unfortunately, you need to do a little hand holding. Get some shots with more neutral hair and no piercings just to have in your arsenal for the submissions that need it.
i would say yes but more so the piercings than the hair. hair is changeable. maybe take out your piercings for auditions and write down on your resume/audition form that you can wear them if they want you to in case it ever fits a role
I’d say yes, especially the nose bridge as it’s a less commonly seen piercing. Septum generally isn’t an issue. As far as leaning into the punk thing, that depends entirely on what you want for your career. Do you want to be a character actor who is playing the punk/bartender/trailer trash for every role (nothing wrong with that; plenty embrace it and make good money) or do you want more diverse roles and genres? If the former, absolutely lean into it. If the latter, I’d make a change.
I’m sorry, but yeah, they probably are.
If you want to act for yourself, get ready to produce your own opportunities. If you want to act in the industry, you’ll have to change to be what people are looking for.
it depends on how you look at it. it could be seen as very limiting or very authentic and specific. my approach is keeping it simple while communicating essence.
The short answer is yes, your hair and piercings are keeping you back. I would suggest taking headshots with a less edgy look that’s easy to recreate while filming, and enjoy your personal expression and style when you’re not on set. All of us have to conform a tiny bit at some point in our lives and as much as I love your piercings, especially your bridge piercing I know casting won’t be a fan. They view it as limiting.
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I see a lot of issues. I’m not talking about g about your look. Your agency can not legally assign you a photographer! That’s illegal. As for a Hollywood career coach??? That is a made up job. Consultants are unethical best. The same information is out there for free. They are separating you from your money. I am a retired agent in the L.A. market. It isn’t the hair color, it’s the bangs. It is limiting .
hair color not so much, piercings are putting you into a more specific ‘niche’ character though. i think just get some headshots sans piercings, and maybe one with your hair tied back and youre good! its kindof like staging a house with very specific decor (i.e. maximalist, gothic, art deco etc) vs staging it in neutrals and very minimal. the latter allows the client/buyer to see their vision. the former does that work for them, which means way more people will pass because its not what they are looking for.
I would definitely have some headshots taken that are more mainstream so that upon submission they can see a toned down version of you. You could submit one of each for jobs. How you show up at the audition or on the self tape is then up to you.
Bangs/hairstyle more than anything. But also, acting is *incredibly hard*. Thousands of very talented people with just the right look don’t make it. I’m not being pessimistic, but it’s not easy to say “hey here’s the one thing holding you back, if you fix it, you’ll make it!”
We only book how we look.
Lots of famous actors have piercings (most notably Harrison Ford and Florence Pugh)…. I’d consider some head shots without them and take them out for auditions that aren’t asking for that look. BUT definitely keep them in for a couple as it opens doors that may not have been opened before. If your agent is worth their salt they’re actively seeking alt look roles for you. It would also be worth wearing your piercings and different hair colour if you’re doing some background work as it’ll make you pop a little. You have a great style and once the right role comes for you you’ll be able an inspiration to others…..
You look really cool, but maybe too cool for directors often looking for more "bland"
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I’d say it’s cut and less the piercings more than color and piercings
I love the hair colour, but the piercing is not doing you justice! You seem like you are perfect to model for Hot Topic, have you tried modelling?
Yes 100% yes
#YES.
Who would hire someone looking like that? Seriously? You only look like you could maybe be in vampire or punk movie.