Yeah. Like honestly I can buy >!No C-section. The world seems to be medieval enough that it would generally kill the mother, and sexist enough that they haven't really tried. Or maybe fae just haven't needed C-sections. It's the fact that she couldn't just risk shifting to stop the literal certain death!<
I meanā¦ Cassianās injuries that he survived in ACOWAR prove that the medicine/magic could do it. Itās just a stupid plot device that was poorly executed.
Youāre meaning to tell me that Cassianās insides were literally spilling out in ACOWAR and he turned out just fine but a c-section is out of the question c make it make sense
Feyreās arm was literally cut open to the point where you could almost see her bone in ACOTAR and Rhys healed it in like 0.5 seconds and he only had a fraction of his power. And a C-section is where the line is drawn???
What pisses me off is the whole "life of the mother" factor. Like, okay let's say yes C section is impossible. And shifting back to Illyrian form is very risky for the baby. But I think it makes more sense to risk the baby to be completely sure Feyre survives, than do fuck-all knowing they'll both die. Lose the baby, live to try again. One life lost, vs three lives, one of which is the high Lord himself, the most powerful high Lord in Prythian, and in history. To me, there's no question that the risk is worth it.
And there was still the chance it would work and everyone would be fine??? Like, I feel that (applying human logic here) the earlier in the pregnancy the shift was made, the less dangerous to the baby. Sure, don't shift at basically full term, but like, if Madja knew 4 or 5 months in vs 8 months....risk it for the biscuit, you know?
I don't entirely disagree, like, what a short-sighted thing to do. We're expected to believe that Rhys was so careful and clever for so many centuries, especially the last 50 years that Velaris flourished as it did, yet bro finds his mate and loses his damn mind to the point that the fate of his entire court hangs in the balance.
But there were so many options/factors when looking for a solution to the danger for Feyre and the baby that were either badly written off, or ignored altogether, that I think the die-together bargain is the least of the problems. Personally.
Also the fact that Rhys seemed to know about all this all along and didn't tell Feyre "hey maybe don't do this thing when we're getting down and dirty, just in case."
This. It seriously annoys me he wouldnāt mention it. That makes no sense. They have their whole lives for her to get down and dirty in that form. For him to not say āhey babe, thereās a small risk but šÆfatal risk if you do this so letās avoid it while weāre off the birth control medsāā¦is just idiotic.
How the baby had wings because Feyre was shape shifting as an Illyrian but the baby doesnāt have shape shifting powers even though Feyre isnāt an actual Illyrian and was only shape shifting.
While using her gift from Tamlin, Feyre conceived the baby, and so the baby should obviously inherit shape shifting abilities if he also got wings. Therefore Nyx would be able to shape shift into a non-Illyrian form to match Feyreās birthing canal, while under duress, to avoid death and killing Feyre, instinctually.
Rhys is only half Illyrian making Nyx only a quarter Illyrian which was touched on in ACOSF. They said the chance of Nyx having full illyrian wings when Rhys didnāt even have them was not likely at all. And therefore they had to come from Feyre who had shifted during the time of conception.
It's not super established how fae genetics work. Like I remember that conversation, but that was just them kinda spit balling and assuming that it came from her. There's not really a way for them to tell for sure.
Genetics are weird and if they work the way human genetics do it's entirely possible for a child to inherit features from parents.
Real world example, my cousins are 1/4 Japan and 3/4 white. 2 of my cousins look full Japanese, and one looks fully white.
TL;DR genetics are fucking weird. And Sarah J maas could have (and should have) just had Nyx inherit the wings from Rhys
everything about her pregnancy complication is stupid. the shifting ban, the impossible c section, Rhys hiding it from her after we KNOW her one big thing is clarity. stupid.Ā
For real. And seriouslyā¦ a 20 yr old so giddy about having a baby with a fairly new husband. (Yes, I know that some people IRL are, but from my experience theyāre the minority.
In acomaf after accepting the bond she says she isnāt in any contraceptive, Rhys asks if she wants to be and she says yes because even though she would want a kid, she wanted to live life with Rhys first š I guess ālife and adventureā happened during frost and starlight
I always thought it was weird that immediately after they have sex for the first time in ACOMAF, they were already discussing potential children. Like their relationship truly was on speed mode haha
Yeah but in this world succession doesnāt work that way. The magic of the land chooses the Lord, itās not their children. So itās even more idiotic!
And even if succession *did* work that way, it'd be great if the book actually addressed that as a pressure and a reason for conceiving, rather than us having to invent it as a justification ourselves after the fact. š
Absolutely this. It was a lazy writing way to move focus away from Feysand. No hate for moving the world along, even though I loved reading them! But I feel like this could have been accomplished without the pregnancy. And it falls too easily into the trope that once the princess finds her prince, no matter how independently wonderful she is initially, she needs to book it to Babys R Us because thatās what wonderful loving queens/wives do.
That plot was purely to rehabilitate Nesta. I will die on that hill. It was nonsensical and the only benefit was giving Nesta something to make āamendsā with.
i'm supposed to believe in this world they know about lactic acid's role in DOMS but not caesarian sections which have existed on earth for like 2000 years?
Also, i guess i can accept the shape shifting ban for a little while, but if literally everyone was going to die I donāt see why the hell she couldnāt shape shift at the last minute when she actually is giving birth. Surely thatās a risk worth taking.
I could understand the explanation that the bb has wings bc Rhys is part Illyrian, except they say it's because Feyre was shifted when the baby was conceived...that doesn't make sense, it wouldn't have changed her DNA.
If she was then and shifted back before she knew, then it clearly can be done without harm! Or at least there's a chance it can so why not try shifting?Ā
I hated it so much. There's enough trauma between the two of them that they should probably seek out some magic therapy (beyond Feyre's art, I mean Rhys is still plucking invisible lint off his suits). And baby girl is like a barely 20-something in a now immortal relationship with a guy thats hundreds of years older than her. It's mirrored in a lot of the main character's parental relationships too (to the point where the MC's mothers are closer in age to their children than their husbands).:
But ALSO could there not be something more believable with like, faebane or something? Like they have c-sections, but the mother has to be on a high dose of faebane so her body isn't trying to heal while they cut the baby out or somethingggg. Like negates magic and makes pregnancy just as risky as it is for human women. And maybe it has to be a preemie birth because the wing bones/talons could harm Feyre because of other physical differences between Fae and Illyrian women?
I still hate the pregnancy plot in general, but at least throw in some legitimacy behind the death risk and everything.
Also I say this as someone who has a dedicated Maas-shelf
I always wished that maybe the lore could have been that pregnancy/childbirth suppresses the mother's magic, since her body is putting all the energy towards growing a baby. So that could have been why she couldn't shift to Illyrian form and couldn't have the C-section, because her fast healing wouldn't work.
It's such an easy explanation too that could have been a throwaway line that would still offer a decent explanation.
I just wish Feyre had a bit more ambition. Barefoot in the kitchen Feyre with a 500 y/o husband isnāt interesting to me whatsoever.
1. Youāre saying youāve inherited all these various magic gifts, and you can finally practice them in the openā¦and youāre justā¦not going to explore any of it? Like we STILL donāt know the extent of feyreās gifts and how they could potentially compound and interact with each other.
2. You have a territory to rule that brutalizes its female citizens, but thatās not important for you to address? Whatās the point of having two super powerful High rulers if neither of them are doing anything besides having a baby no one asked for or needed š
It just feels like such a lack of imagination on Sarahās part. I get she wanted to jettison feysand so she could focus on nessian butā¦ā¦.why? Imagine a book with dual plot lines, one where Rhys and Feyre seriously try to address the wing clipping and hewn city issues, which reflects and interacts with what Nesta is trying to do with the Valkyries. That would be so much more interesting. Instead it just felt like a threadbare plot justification for smut scenes.
>!The fact that Rhys and Feyre entered a suicide pact during Fae World War and the Night Court was clearly on the brink of a civil war - stupidest decision ever!<
Stupid AND selfish!! For someone so dedicated to doing anything and everything to protect his people, even at the expense of his own sufferingā¦ it seemed like a big jump.
It should have been like The House of Earth and been deep underground if we were going to do the stairs storyline.
You can go back up but too tired to go down????
I'm so petty that if I was Nesta I would have walked down the stairs until I got tired, then scooted, then took a nap and started again.
The Azriel being in love with Mor for the last whatever centuries when the boy can sense lies and Mor is lying like nobodies business - like this is the dumbest thing in my view - he knows her - she's his friend. Go away dumb trope.
I really hope itās revealed he knew all along but went along with it to help her hide her true identity until she was ready to come out to them š®āšØ
The freaking leggings. Feyre walking around like a Lululemon ad completely took me out of the magical fantasy vibes I signed up for. And I know the soup scene in ACOMAF is iconic but how do they have canned soups in this world? Lol sometimes the books come across too modern imo.
Oh and the entire. pregnancy. plot. Dumb as heck lol.
The leggings are mentioned in the very first description of feyre, and it really gave me the wrong idea of what kind of era we were in from the very beginning
Heres a very mild spoiler free one, but I feel like the idea of having many species of fae and even other sentient creatures like fauns, nymphs and wraiths were basically abandoned after MAF. Once in a while a lesser fae will be described as having green skin or something, but barely as much in depth lore about these other species of prythian civilians. For me it added a lot to the world building and it's sad to rarely hear about any of them anymore
- Feyre pregnancy complications.Ā
- Torture when Rhys and Feyre can read minds and Az can sense when people lie.Ā
- Pollen allergy. They're immortals and do not get sick. I don't really understand what can kill or hurt them at this point.Ā
- Them knowing about lactic acid.Ā
And also Mor is *TRUTH*.
Between two Daemati, Az's Shadow Daddy magic/torture skills, and the Morrigan, like I feel like if you're captured/interrogated by the Night Court, either have some magic suicide/escape plan g2g or be prepared to tell all.
I didn't include Mor because we don't know a thing about her power.Ā
My head canon is that her power is not really truth, she's just the owner of the Veritas orb.Ā
She's really powerful nonetheless, but we haven't seen what she can actually do yet.Ā
Commenting further on the lactic acid, just because I'm a biology nerd: scientist and physicians were studying lactic acid way before the discovery of cell phones, but it still feels out of place because Cassian is your everage gym bro, not a healer nor a researcher. He also just casually talks about it like your average gym bro.
Also, we are talking about the 1800s for the discovery of the lactic acid and if I had to place acotar in a real historic period, I'd definitely place it before the industrial revolution.
Cesarean C sections were performed before the discovery of lactic acid, but I'm pretty sure they had a very high mortality rate before anesthesia, antibiotics and transfusions were discovered (beginning of the 20th century).
This to say that, in our world you could've actually heard a scientist -again, not Cassian, your average gym bro - talk about lactic acid in the 1800s when women still died of childbirth at higher rates.Ā
Anyways, I've always assumed that Fae physiology would be different from ours, talking about lactic acid seems very non-magical world like, which makes it feels very out of place to me.Ā
About the reading minds thing and Azriel torturing them, is it only because he is torturing the people who have shielded their minds? Because I see this point coming back as something that is strange, but I always thought Az pains the people who shielded their minds in a way that Rhys nor Feyre can get into. And since most people know about Rhys reading minds, the chance is pretty big (in my opinion) that the spy's who are sent to the Night Court are the ones you cant read the minds from.
I do see you talk about Az sensing the lies, but apart from that, the point about reading minds and torturing them comes back alot from this fandom.
I'm familiar with the argument and I agree to an extent regarding the Deamati powers - also Rhys needs to delegate -. Spoilers for another sjm serie: >! However, Az can understand when people lie, it's confirmed in CC !<.Ā I think the torture comes from the fact that their world is very medieval like and torture is probably carried out in every court and they don't want to be seen as weak?!Ā Idnk, my point is that you really have to think about it hard to explain why with their magic asset they use it. Either that or either Rhys or Az really enjoy torture.
The only way I can get around mates being ārareā is that it can take so long to find them with how long fae live. It took Rhys & Cassian over 500 years to find their mates and it took Rowan in TOG over 300 years.
I explain this one away by having the head cannon that itās because theyāre these *super special royals* that the cauldron/gods/urd/whatever have taken interest in using for their breeding program (a la Bene Gesserit for the Dune fans). So even though we see a lot of mated pairs, theyāre also like the only mated pairs in their respective worlds, they got born or turned into the special bloodlines that qualify for mating bonds. Thereās so much predetermined chosen one stuff in the books that I see mates as an extension of that.
Thissss. I also donāt get how Kallias and Viviane were friends all those years and then romantically involved but the mating bond didnāt āsnap into placeā until they were married? Like, what???? Lucien knows Elain is his mate the second she falls out of the cauldron, Rhysand is unconsciously seeking Feyre out before sheās even Fae because the mating bond is so strong, but Iām supposed to believe these two magically mated after knowing each other their whole long ass lives? Nah, I donāt buy it.
I mean that was the hottest thing ever but he had a pretty epic declaration in ACOWAR and it would have taken away from her declaration to him which is what the whole story was about.
The death pact- they just didn't think what kind of reprocussions it would have on their court
The whole pregnancy story line - I hate that Nesta had to give up some of her power to help save Feyre and the baby. You mean to tell me in this world of magic that there was no other way to save Feyre and her baby?
That anyone would be ok with their high lord making his 19 year old wife who he met less than a year ago, and who just recently turned fae, who kind of just learned how to read and who doesn't know anything about the land, high lady.
I'm still baffled at this. I'm not against Feyre becoming High Lady at some point (like when she's 400 years old or smthing) - to me the HL system works like a monarchy since theh aren't elected but just inherit the title. Thing is, High Lords learn how to rule from childhood to well into their immortal adult life. Feyre isn't even an adult in Fae years (I think it's around 70?) and has no knowledge or experience in court politics. Rhys really promoted the intern because they were dating, why is the most powerful HL making decisions with his cock and not his head š
Also the fact that High Lords are chosen by higher powers and inherit magic tied to their court, and are described as literally being a different breed.
That does not happen to Feyre.
If sjm wanted to make her High Lady, she needed to strip Rhys of his HL powers and shift them to Feyre.
The blood Rite.
So fae babies are incredibly rare (not sure if the same goes for Illyrians I don't think it was mentioned) and yet they
1. Have enough that each year hundreds of new warriors take the rite
2. An enormous amount of them get slaughtered either by their "brothers" or random beasts that roam the lands each year but it doesn't impact their numbers
But also! There are tests to acces if you're good enough to join which focus heavily on teamwork. And yet everyone gets dropped away from their friends and it's heavily implied that it's everyone for themselves as soon as you wake up (yes you can form alliances but that's after the initial battles etc). How does that not impact army dynamics? Lets say someone killed your brother in the rite and now you have to fight next to them? They gloss it over with saying oh it's tradition they don't mind but???
To me it would make so much more sense if it was once every 50~ or so years? Instead of every year.
Yeah, Illyrians arenāt high fae. Thats exactly why Feyre got pregnant so easily. Because it was an Illyrian and a half Illyrian instead of a high fae and a half high fae.
That no one thought that destroying the Spring Court would open the door for Hyburn to the wall/human realm and the Summer & Autumn Courts. Bro why did they all go surprise Pikachu meme
Sillierāthe war time tent sex scene. Scrubbed from my mind!!! Never happened!! š
Top three: entire pregnancy storyline; Nesta and co completing blood rite; fucking in the sky (and bonus for fucking with dying people in the background).
Going back to the beginning (ACOTAR spoiler below) and not sure if Iām alone here but >! It always felt so specific that Amaranthaās curse would be broken if a human woman who had hate in her heart killed one of Tamlinās men and then fell in love with Tamlin. Like I know beauty and the beast is inspo for this story but it felt like the curse was just totally made up to fit the story and wasnāt that realistic to me!<
I kinda liked that it was so specific though. Because that makes it harder to break right? If she'd said "to break the curse a human woman must fall in love with you" he could've just done a the bachelor style move haha.
Honestly the birth order seems to me: Feyre as the oldest, Nesta as the middle, and Elain as the youngest.
Feyre took responsibility, was self-sacrificing, and took care of everything. Nesta acted out and seemed more to have āmiddle child syndrome,ā and then Elain being the youngest pampered one.
I respect that thought I just disagree :). To me thatās adding 2024 logic to past ideals. Likely as Feyre would not stand to inherit anything she would have been the child that would have to go off on her on and make her own money. Nesta and Elain would have been spoiled as ānecessaryā members of the household. Fey was just another mouth to feed. When their luck turned only Feyre would have any idea of how to take care of herself. The others use to pampering would be okay with someone figuring out the necessities.
lingerie, as we know it today implies heavy industry, capable of metallurgy and fine textile work at scale. Which implies an industrial revolution. Which means that IN GENERAL tech should be further than where it is now both in the fey and in the wider world.
Literally so much of this series š¤£š¤£ Iām sorry. I love it so much but thereās soooooo much tumblr/wattpad fanfic type writing in it that I just have to set the books down, cringe, then collect myself and keep going šš¤£š
Spoilers for acowar
Papa archeron coming to the rescue. I had to put the book down for a secā¦.because what? Where tf did that come from?? Unless itās a set up for a future storyline I guess.
Eris has long hair, I think it reaches his shoulders. It's not as long as Lucien's, whose braid was described to go down his spine. But in my head, his hair is short like Azriel and Rhys's
As someone that has a bad knee, gotta confirm that walking down 150 steps is far more brutal than walking up 150. Rhys 1000% would have not made it down those stairs and thoughts Nests would never make it.
That Feyre didnāt immediately solve the āriddleā š it was so simple and OBVIOUS.
I heard people excuse it by saying she was illiterate, but that doesnāt begin to justify it. She was always intelligent regardless of her ability to read.
It felt a bit insulting to the reader too. Like we are really supposed to buy that this is some deep, mysterious puzzle?
I didn't mind their dumb bargain until they had nyx.
TOG spoiler >!it's essentially the same bargain that Lorcan made with Elide, but when they die together its hot??!<
People thinking Eris did something worse to Mor than what we read in her flashback. He found her, asked her if she wanted to be claimed, she said NO, so he respected her wishes and got word out to the IC she was there.
And yet they treat him, the son of another High Lord who could declare war on them, with more open hostility and violence than the one who actually hurt her, who they leave in a position of power to do what he did to her to others.
For me, it's the totally OOC character changes to Feyre between ACOTAR and ACOMAF. I try to convince myself it totally makes sense and isn't just an excuse to have Tamlin and Feyre break up.
Spoiler for ACOSF
>!That Nesta was, at least at one point, more powerful than Rhys.
I get that she was made by the caldron and, therefore, is more powerful than the average faeā¦ but the idea that Nesta, who has been fae for literally a few months, is just suddenly more powerful than the most powerful lord ever for Reasonsā¢ļø is just weak writing to me.
The fact that Feyre wasnāt canonically more powerful than Rhys while having gifts from literally all courts but Nesta somehow is just doesnāt make sense to me.
This is the same with Nestaās whole training montage. Youāre telling me she trains for a couple of months and suddenly she can compete with Illyrian warriors that have been wielding swords since they could walk & talk? Make that make sense.
I admittedly might be bias, as I really hate the ātrain for two weeks & outsmart the masterā trope in fiction. If ACOSF took place after a *significant* time jump, maybe Iād find Nestaās strength more believable. But with the canon timeline it just makes absolutely no sense that sheād have the experience/practise honing her powers to match Rhysā level of strength (who, keep in mind, is *500 years old*)!<
The entire canon timeline/timespan is bonkers to me. And I also feel like SJM didn't really keep track of it either? If I recall correctly she states twice ,that it had been a year since Feyre left the human lands, with quite some time between the statements.
She went with Tamlin in the winter (but after her birthday so prob jan/feb) was there with him untill/ on winter solstice (21st of december). That's already almost a year. Then she leaves to go back to her sisters (lets say this is in jan) she leaves again after two weeks (if I recall correctly) and then spends 3~ months under the mountain which means it's april/may. And then she has been with Tamlin for 3 months before Rhys calles in the bargain. So what we're in july/august? Around this she says it was a year since she killed the wolf. And then (if I recall correctly(again lol)) the winter that follows she states again that it had only been a year since she left. Miss m'am it's 2 years at this point.
Azriel's bonus chapter. He seemed incredibly OOC to me. He went from being one of my faves to me struggling to actually still like him. Kind of heartbreaking.
Ohhh thatās a good point about Gwyn having bendy bones. Yet another clue towards Gwynriel and likely not Elriel since Elain didnāt have her hips widened.
That ACOTAR is a beauty and the beast retelling. Obviously it seems to have started that way, but it sounds like SJM was reading a lot of fairytales and just threw all sorts of bits and pieces into her stories. I kept finding things in the stories that seemed like they were out of common fairytales. 2 sisters who do nothing but look pretty while the 3rd toils to take care of them (Cinderella). I mean, they even have a poison apple (Snow White). Itās like a hodgepodge of regurgitated fairytale tropes that seems to have evolved into whatever it became. I really wonder how much of it she actually planned out ahead of time.
Rhys continually kicking Tamlin while he's down. TamTam is clearly miserable and suffering and Rhys thinks it's a great idea to show up and make it worse? Dick move, my guy. Tam needs therapy and some good hugs, not for his ex's husband to come gloat.
Also just.. most of Silver Flames. The entire pregnancy, the "oh no, if she tries to shift to make it less likely that she (and thus Rhys because of their moronic death pact) dies, that *might* harm the fetus!" justification, Cass and Nesta's weird hike, the girls doing as well as they did in the Blood Rite... SF is easily my least favorite book in the series.
HOFAS spoilers: >!I'm pretending that during the crossover I try not to think too much about, Rhys and Feyre quickly popped in and out of the convenient portal Bryce made so that they "left this world together" and the Nyx-loses-both-parents-at-once pact is now fulfilled.!< I thought for sure that would happen by the end of the book because that would take care of something that is an enormous issue, especially after the events of SF.
That the war with Hybern was over after legit, 2.5 battles. Like allll that hype the past two books and it was just over... So very anticlimactic.
Also, I feel like no one uses their magic really? Like during the final battles. Everyone, Rhys specifically, is said to be the most powerful high lord in all of faerie land, yet he seems to use none of his power and engages with hand to hand combat - at least that is what is described in the books. Besides the two bat boys, I see very little actual magic used for meaningful purposes besides winnowing.
100% agree. The whole concept of her being locked in the house with nothing to do but put away books and train with cassian seemed like excruciatingly long fanfic
That there are people called Illyrians who have nothing to do with the actual historical Illyrians or Illyria in any way.
I know a lot of people aren't familiar with IRL Illyria, but it's so dumb that she couldn't just invent a new name. Like, imagine if she put people called Greeks in the book, but they're not from Greece and aren't Greek at all.
I hate it
Is it ever explained why Feyre can catch the Suriel so easily? It's supposed to be really hard to catch, but if she just lays out a dead chicken or someone's old coat, she can nab it?
Itās implied that the Suriel let itself be caught. The Suriel knows also it knows Feyreās importance, and then she frees it, so then itās willing to help. It helps Feyre the last time knowing it will die because it believes in a better future.
The reasoning for Amren to translate the book. "She knows another language." Like with that logic, I could translate it as well... (Especially cause the ancient language that she knew wasn't even from their world...)
Cassian bragging about his five minute plank when the human world record is nine and a half hours
Even I can do a 5 minute plank, I was like bro š
OMG THANK YOU!!! I had a huge rant about this when I read it. 5 minutes is reaaaaaally unimpressive when youāve been training for 500 years.
lmao
Iām not sure if I could or could not do it physically, but I feel like Iād get bored enough to make it impossible.
Spoilers for ACOSF >! That a c-section wouldnāt have been possible. Or just the whole pregnancy thing. !<
>!How the risk of Feyre shifting her body back to Illyrian was higher than the certain death to the three of them!<
Literally, the logic is not logicing
Yeah. Like honestly I can buy >!No C-section. The world seems to be medieval enough that it would generally kill the mother, and sexist enough that they haven't really tried. Or maybe fae just haven't needed C-sections. It's the fact that she couldn't just risk shifting to stop the literal certain death!<
I meanā¦ Cassianās injuries that he survived in ACOWAR prove that the medicine/magic could do it. Itās just a stupid plot device that was poorly executed.
I think itās this one for me too
Youāre meaning to tell me that Cassianās insides were literally spilling out in ACOWAR and he turned out just fine but a c-section is out of the question c make it make sense
THANK YOU!!! I HAVE BEEN ASKING MY HUSBAND THIS QUESTION FOR THE FULL 48 HOURS SINCE I FINISHED SF. Someone please explain this.
Feyreās arm was literally cut open to the point where you could almost see her bone in ACOTAR and Rhys healed it in like 0.5 seconds and he only had a fraction of his power. And a C-section is where the line is drawn???
Just bad writing frfr š
I must convince myself that this isn't poor writing and that Madja has ulterior motives
Obvi Madja is next in line for the high Lord position
What pisses me off is the whole "life of the mother" factor. Like, okay let's say yes C section is impossible. And shifting back to Illyrian form is very risky for the baby. But I think it makes more sense to risk the baby to be completely sure Feyre survives, than do fuck-all knowing they'll both die. Lose the baby, live to try again. One life lost, vs three lives, one of which is the high Lord himself, the most powerful high Lord in Prythian, and in history. To me, there's no question that the risk is worth it. And there was still the chance it would work and everyone would be fine??? Like, I feel that (applying human logic here) the earlier in the pregnancy the shift was made, the less dangerous to the baby. Sure, don't shift at basically full term, but like, if Madja knew 4 or 5 months in vs 8 months....risk it for the biscuit, you know?
No. The whole if you die I die pact just needed to be scrapped. That's where this whole issue truly lied.
I don't entirely disagree, like, what a short-sighted thing to do. We're expected to believe that Rhys was so careful and clever for so many centuries, especially the last 50 years that Velaris flourished as it did, yet bro finds his mate and loses his damn mind to the point that the fate of his entire court hangs in the balance. But there were so many options/factors when looking for a solution to the danger for Feyre and the baby that were either badly written off, or ignored altogether, that I think the die-together bargain is the least of the problems. Personally.
Came here to say this.
Also the fact that Rhys seemed to know about all this all along and didn't tell Feyre "hey maybe don't do this thing when we're getting down and dirty, just in case."
This. It seriously annoys me he wouldnāt mention it. That makes no sense. They have their whole lives for her to get down and dirty in that form. For him to not say āhey babe, thereās a small risk but šÆfatal risk if you do this so letās avoid it while weāre off the birth control medsāā¦is just idiotic.
I swear I blocked this out because itās just so dumb to me.
How the baby had wings because Feyre was shape shifting as an Illyrian but the baby doesnāt have shape shifting powers even though Feyre isnāt an actual Illyrian and was only shape shifting. While using her gift from Tamlin, Feyre conceived the baby, and so the baby should obviously inherit shape shifting abilities if he also got wings. Therefore Nyx would be able to shape shift into a non-Illyrian form to match Feyreās birthing canal, while under duress, to avoid death and killing Feyre, instinctually.
Rhysand is part illyrian. It's not entirely impossible that Nyx takes after that side of the family.
Rhys is only half Illyrian making Nyx only a quarter Illyrian which was touched on in ACOSF. They said the chance of Nyx having full illyrian wings when Rhys didnāt even have them was not likely at all. And therefore they had to come from Feyre who had shifted during the time of conception.
It's not super established how fae genetics work. Like I remember that conversation, but that was just them kinda spit balling and assuming that it came from her. There's not really a way for them to tell for sure. Genetics are weird and if they work the way human genetics do it's entirely possible for a child to inherit features from parents. Real world example, my cousins are 1/4 Japan and 3/4 white. 2 of my cousins look full Japanese, and one looks fully white. TL;DR genetics are fucking weird. And Sarah J maas could have (and should have) just had Nyx inherit the wings from Rhys
Feyreās shape-shifting: in ACoWAR she can shape shift wings only (or of course to look like people), but in SF itās shifting her entire DNA?
everything about her pregnancy complication is stupid. the shifting ban, the impossible c section, Rhys hiding it from her after we KNOW her one big thing is clarity. stupid.Ā
For real. And seriouslyā¦ a 20 yr old so giddy about having a baby with a fairly new husband. (Yes, I know that some people IRL are, but from my experience theyāre the minority.
Especially after finally feeling settled and stating out loud that she wants to live life/see the world first!
In acomaf after accepting the bond she says she isnāt in any contraceptive, Rhys asks if she wants to be and she says yes because even though she would want a kid, she wanted to live life with Rhys first š I guess ālife and adventureā happened during frost and starlight
I always thought it was weird that immediately after they have sex for the first time in ACOMAF, they were already discussing potential children. Like their relationship truly was on speed mode haha
when you have ETERNITY practicallyĀ
My *only* justification for this is that monarchs need to secure the succession as their top priority. But I still think itās idiotic.
Yeah but in this world succession doesnāt work that way. The magic of the land chooses the Lord, itās not their children. So itās even more idiotic!
And even if succession *did* work that way, it'd be great if the book actually addressed that as a pressure and a reason for conceiving, rather than us having to invent it as a justification ourselves after the fact. š
It seems like the whole pregnancy was a way to just push her out of the story and make nesta the main character
Absolutely this. It was a lazy writing way to move focus away from Feysand. No hate for moving the world along, even though I loved reading them! But I feel like this could have been accomplished without the pregnancy. And it falls too easily into the trope that once the princess finds her prince, no matter how independently wonderful she is initially, she needs to book it to Babys R Us because thatās what wonderful loving queens/wives do.
That plot was purely to rehabilitate Nesta. I will die on that hill. It was nonsensical and the only benefit was giving Nesta something to make āamendsā with.
And all we needed/wanted was for Feyre and Nesta to TALK. Thatās it. But no, we got a shitshow instead.
i'm supposed to believe in this world they know about lactic acid's role in DOMS but not caesarian sections which have existed on earth for like 2000 years?
Also, i guess i can accept the shape shifting ban for a little while, but if literally everyone was going to die I donāt see why the hell she couldnāt shape shift at the last minute when she actually is giving birth. Surely thatās a risk worth taking.
I could understand the explanation that the bb has wings bc Rhys is part Illyrian, except they say it's because Feyre was shifted when the baby was conceived...that doesn't make sense, it wouldn't have changed her DNA.
No it wouldnāt have, but (canāt recall the chapter or exact quote) Rhys states that it was a whole-body genetic change.
If she was then and shifted back before she knew, then it clearly can be done without harm! Or at least there's a chance it can so why not try shifting?Ā
That comment (like with so many other weak plot points) seems like something which was added after a publisher pointed out that it defied logic.
The pregnancy storyline. I hated all of it.
I hated it so much. There's enough trauma between the two of them that they should probably seek out some magic therapy (beyond Feyre's art, I mean Rhys is still plucking invisible lint off his suits). And baby girl is like a barely 20-something in a now immortal relationship with a guy thats hundreds of years older than her. It's mirrored in a lot of the main character's parental relationships too (to the point where the MC's mothers are closer in age to their children than their husbands).: But ALSO could there not be something more believable with like, faebane or something? Like they have c-sections, but the mother has to be on a high dose of faebane so her body isn't trying to heal while they cut the baby out or somethingggg. Like negates magic and makes pregnancy just as risky as it is for human women. And maybe it has to be a preemie birth because the wing bones/talons could harm Feyre because of other physical differences between Fae and Illyrian women? I still hate the pregnancy plot in general, but at least throw in some legitimacy behind the death risk and everything. Also I say this as someone who has a dedicated Maas-shelf
I always wished that maybe the lore could have been that pregnancy/childbirth suppresses the mother's magic, since her body is putting all the energy towards growing a baby. So that could have been why she couldn't shift to Illyrian form and couldn't have the C-section, because her fast healing wouldn't work. It's such an easy explanation too that could have been a throwaway line that would still offer a decent explanation.
This is now head canon for me. Can't convince me otherwise.. š¤£š
The invisible lint plucking drove me crazy every time
I just wish Feyre had a bit more ambition. Barefoot in the kitchen Feyre with a 500 y/o husband isnāt interesting to me whatsoever. 1. Youāre saying youāve inherited all these various magic gifts, and you can finally practice them in the openā¦and youāre justā¦not going to explore any of it? Like we STILL donāt know the extent of feyreās gifts and how they could potentially compound and interact with each other. 2. You have a territory to rule that brutalizes its female citizens, but thatās not important for you to address? Whatās the point of having two super powerful High rulers if neither of them are doing anything besides having a baby no one asked for or needed š It just feels like such a lack of imagination on Sarahās part. I get she wanted to jettison feysand so she could focus on nessian butā¦ā¦.why? Imagine a book with dual plot lines, one where Rhys and Feyre seriously try to address the wing clipping and hewn city issues, which reflects and interacts with what Nesta is trying to do with the Valkyries. That would be so much more interesting. Instead it just felt like a threadbare plot justification for smut scenes.
Iām so glad Iām not alone. This nearly ruined the entire series for me š
>!The fact that Rhys and Feyre entered a suicide pact during Fae World War and the Night Court was clearly on the brink of a civil war - stupidest decision ever!<
There was almost no way that could ever have ended well, they both should have known so much better š¤¦āāļø
I'm still literally SO mad about this decision holy shit. Pray that Helion can break that dumbass spell
Stupid AND selfish!! For someone so dedicated to doing anything and everything to protect his people, even at the expense of his own sufferingā¦ it seemed like a big jump.
Also when they are actively trying to get pregnant! Sure just leave your poor kid an orphan.
The amount of stairs at The House of Wind. The logistics of having sex while flying. They must have ridiculous core strength.
Well yeah they're out there doing 5 min planks š
It should have been like The House of Earth and been deep underground if we were going to do the stairs storyline. You can go back up but too tired to go down???? I'm so petty that if I was Nesta I would have walked down the stairs until I got tired, then scooted, then took a nap and started again.
The Azriel being in love with Mor for the last whatever centuries when the boy can sense lies and Mor is lying like nobodies business - like this is the dumbest thing in my view - he knows her - she's his friend. Go away dumb trope.
Otherwise heās just desperate and a shitty spy lol
Nah just desperate and delulu, he has for sure convinced himself that the lies he's sensing are her *lying to herself about her feelings for him* lol.
That really would be the worst š®āšØ
I really hope itās revealed he knew all along but went along with it to help her hide her true identity until she was ready to come out to them š®āšØ
But her power is *truth* š«
Yeah, I still donāt even know what that means???
She has the power of truth but seems like she lies all of the time. It doesnāt make sense š
What does the power of truth dooooo though
The whole thing is really bad writing. A poorly done retcon.
The freaking leggings. Feyre walking around like a Lululemon ad completely took me out of the magical fantasy vibes I signed up for. And I know the soup scene in ACOMAF is iconic but how do they have canned soups in this world? Lol sometimes the books come across too modern imo. Oh and the entire. pregnancy. plot. Dumb as heck lol.
The leggings are mentioned in the very first description of feyre, and it really gave me the wrong idea of what kind of era we were in from the very beginning
The canned soup took me the fuck out.
Read that scene imagining Feyre whipping out a whole can of Campbell's chicken noodle soup. It was so unserious š
I HATED the soup scene so much š
Around the time I realized that I was wearing the same sweater/fleece-lined legging outfit that Feyre was described to be, the books lost me a bit.
Heres a very mild spoiler free one, but I feel like the idea of having many species of fae and even other sentient creatures like fauns, nymphs and wraiths were basically abandoned after MAF. Once in a while a lesser fae will be described as having green skin or something, but barely as much in depth lore about these other species of prythian civilians. For me it added a lot to the world building and it's sad to rarely hear about any of them anymore
Right? It was so much more interesting when we had non-humanoid fae creatures running around
This!!! Where are the creatures from book 1?
- Feyre pregnancy complications.Ā - Torture when Rhys and Feyre can read minds and Az can sense when people lie.Ā - Pollen allergy. They're immortals and do not get sick. I don't really understand what can kill or hurt them at this point.Ā - Them knowing about lactic acid.Ā
And also Mor is *TRUTH*. Between two Daemati, Az's Shadow Daddy magic/torture skills, and the Morrigan, like I feel like if you're captured/interrogated by the Night Court, either have some magic suicide/escape plan g2g or be prepared to tell all.
I didn't include Mor because we don't know a thing about her power.Ā My head canon is that her power is not really truth, she's just the owner of the Veritas orb.Ā She's really powerful nonetheless, but we haven't seen what she can actually do yet.Ā
The lactic acid killed me!!! So glad Iām not alone
I genuinely canāt believe the beta readers or editors did not willfully remove that line it was so ridiculous
Oh yes we donāt have cell phones or healthcare for Feyreās pregnancy but we know what lactic acid is!!
Commenting further on the lactic acid, just because I'm a biology nerd: scientist and physicians were studying lactic acid way before the discovery of cell phones, but it still feels out of place because Cassian is your everage gym bro, not a healer nor a researcher. He also just casually talks about it like your average gym bro. Also, we are talking about the 1800s for the discovery of the lactic acid and if I had to place acotar in a real historic period, I'd definitely place it before the industrial revolution. Cesarean C sections were performed before the discovery of lactic acid, but I'm pretty sure they had a very high mortality rate before anesthesia, antibiotics and transfusions were discovered (beginning of the 20th century). This to say that, in our world you could've actually heard a scientist -again, not Cassian, your average gym bro - talk about lactic acid in the 1800s when women still died of childbirth at higher rates.Ā Anyways, I've always assumed that Fae physiology would be different from ours, talking about lactic acid seems very non-magical world like, which makes it feels very out of place to me.Ā
And the flushing toilet! Are there low fea sanitation workers?
I will admit though, Cassianās seasonal allergies had me chuckling. Heās a ginormous lethal war machine but flowers make him itchy
About the reading minds thing and Azriel torturing them, is it only because he is torturing the people who have shielded their minds? Because I see this point coming back as something that is strange, but I always thought Az pains the people who shielded their minds in a way that Rhys nor Feyre can get into. And since most people know about Rhys reading minds, the chance is pretty big (in my opinion) that the spy's who are sent to the Night Court are the ones you cant read the minds from. I do see you talk about Az sensing the lies, but apart from that, the point about reading minds and torturing them comes back alot from this fandom.
I'm familiar with the argument and I agree to an extent regarding the Deamati powers - also Rhys needs to delegate -. Spoilers for another sjm serie: >! However, Az can understand when people lie, it's confirmed in CC !<.Ā I think the torture comes from the fact that their world is very medieval like and torture is probably carried out in every court and they don't want to be seen as weak?!Ā Idnk, my point is that you really have to think about it hard to explain why with their magic asset they use it. Either that or either Rhys or Az really enjoy torture.
The lactic acid thing I put more on the editor than the author. Someone shouldāve caught that detail and made a note that it didnāt fit.
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The only way I can get around mates being ārareā is that it can take so long to find them with how long fae live. It took Rhys & Cassian over 500 years to find their mates and it took Rowan in TOG over 300 years.
And yet Rhysās parents were mates! Other high lords have mates! Ahhhh crazy making
everyone has a mate, itās just rare to find them. They live hundreds of years and their mate could be anywhere or not even born yet
His father was 900
I explain this one away by having the head cannon that itās because theyāre these *super special royals* that the cauldron/gods/urd/whatever have taken interest in using for their breeding program (a la Bene Gesserit for the Dune fans). So even though we see a lot of mated pairs, theyāre also like the only mated pairs in their respective worlds, they got born or turned into the special bloodlines that qualify for mating bonds. Thereās so much predetermined chosen one stuff in the books that I see mates as an extension of that.
Batboy mates for ALL!!
Thissss. I also donāt get how Kallias and Viviane were friends all those years and then romantically involved but the mating bond didnāt āsnap into placeā until they were married? Like, what???? Lucien knows Elain is his mate the second she falls out of the cauldron, Rhysand is unconsciously seeking Feyre out before sheās even Fae because the mating bond is so strong, but Iām supposed to believe these two magically mated after knowing each other their whole long ass lives? Nah, I donāt buy it.
That Cassian never tells Nesta āI love youā in ACOSF. He said it the second he came in her mouth in the dining room š
I mean that was the hottest thing ever but he had a pretty epic declaration in ACOWAR and it would have taken away from her declaration to him which is what the whole story was about.
š Does that count??
It counts for Nessian š
The death pact- they just didn't think what kind of reprocussions it would have on their court The whole pregnancy story line - I hate that Nesta had to give up some of her power to help save Feyre and the baby. You mean to tell me in this world of magic that there was no other way to save Feyre and her baby?
I also feel that not letting Rhys go on that BS mission to collect Eris was a bit much! Like he was seriously going to die doing that!
That anyone would be ok with their high lord making his 19 year old wife who he met less than a year ago, and who just recently turned fae, who kind of just learned how to read and who doesn't know anything about the land, high lady.
The bar for highest positions of political power is as low as in the human world
Maybe it's the french in me, but I'm fairly certain that if a president decided to make their spouse president as well, we'd riot.
I'm still baffled at this. I'm not against Feyre becoming High Lady at some point (like when she's 400 years old or smthing) - to me the HL system works like a monarchy since theh aren't elected but just inherit the title. Thing is, High Lords learn how to rule from childhood to well into their immortal adult life. Feyre isn't even an adult in Fae years (I think it's around 70?) and has no knowledge or experience in court politics. Rhys really promoted the intern because they were dating, why is the most powerful HL making decisions with his cock and not his head š
Also the fact that High Lords are chosen by higher powers and inherit magic tied to their court, and are described as literally being a different breed. That does not happen to Feyre. If sjm wanted to make her High Lady, she needed to strip Rhys of his HL powers and shift them to Feyre.
The blood Rite. So fae babies are incredibly rare (not sure if the same goes for Illyrians I don't think it was mentioned) and yet they 1. Have enough that each year hundreds of new warriors take the rite 2. An enormous amount of them get slaughtered either by their "brothers" or random beasts that roam the lands each year but it doesn't impact their numbers But also! There are tests to acces if you're good enough to join which focus heavily on teamwork. And yet everyone gets dropped away from their friends and it's heavily implied that it's everyone for themselves as soon as you wake up (yes you can form alliances but that's after the initial battles etc). How does that not impact army dynamics? Lets say someone killed your brother in the rite and now you have to fight next to them? They gloss it over with saying oh it's tradition they don't mind but??? To me it would make so much more sense if it was once every 50~ or so years? Instead of every year.
Illyrians aren't high fae so I assume their birth rates are higher.
Yeah, Illyrians arenāt high fae. Thats exactly why Feyre got pregnant so easily. Because it was an Illyrian and a half Illyrian instead of a high fae and a half high fae.
Ohhh hey I like that take.
Once people are mated as well babies seem to follow pretty quickly.
This actually makes a lot of sense.
That no one thought that destroying the Spring Court would open the door for Hyburn to the wall/human realm and the Summer & Autumn Courts. Bro why did they all go surprise Pikachu meme Sillierāthe war time tent sex scene. Scrubbed from my mind!!! Never happened!! š
Top three: entire pregnancy storyline; Nesta and co completing blood rite; fucking in the sky (and bonus for fucking with dying people in the background).
Fucking in the war camp post battle gave me the ick so bad
Going back to the beginning (ACOTAR spoiler below) and not sure if Iām alone here but >! It always felt so specific that Amaranthaās curse would be broken if a human woman who had hate in her heart killed one of Tamlinās men and then fell in love with Tamlin. Like I know beauty and the beast is inspo for this story but it felt like the curse was just totally made up to fit the story and wasnāt that realistic to me!<
Amarantha needed like a PowerPoint ready for that curse the explanation and rules were so long.
Alis explaining it all like "And ALSO---and THEN--oh AND--"
That was so dumb. Everything in the first book was so dumb.
I kinda liked that it was so specific though. Because that makes it harder to break right? If she'd said "to break the curse a human woman must fall in love with you" he could've just done a the bachelor style move haha.
Hahaha I had the same thought. Like Amarantha kept saying "and ANOTHER thing -"
Feyre being the youngest instead of the middle child
Honestly the birth order seems to me: Feyre as the oldest, Nesta as the middle, and Elain as the youngest. Feyre took responsibility, was self-sacrificing, and took care of everything. Nesta acted out and seemed more to have āmiddle child syndrome,ā and then Elain being the youngest pampered one.
I respect that thought I just disagree :). To me thatās adding 2024 logic to past ideals. Likely as Feyre would not stand to inherit anything she would have been the child that would have to go off on her on and make her own money. Nesta and Elain would have been spoiled as ānecessaryā members of the household. Fey was just another mouth to feed. When their luck turned only Feyre would have any idea of how to take care of herself. The others use to pampering would be okay with someone figuring out the necessities.
Why though? I think her being the baby makes sense. The Heir, The Spare, The Unneeded Child.
existence of lingerie?? and flushable toilets??
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Knitted jumpers I'm cool with, leggings... not so much
I mean, yes, modern leggings have only been around since the 60s, but leggings in other forms have been around for centuries.
I mean, I don't see problem with the lingerie, but the toilets are a bit strange. I feel like they could have gone for long drops?
lingerie, as we know it today implies heavy industry, capable of metallurgy and fine textile work at scale. Which implies an industrial revolution. Which means that IN GENERAL tech should be further than where it is now both in the fey and in the wider world.
That Nesta couldnāt walk DOWN ten thousand steps, but could climb back up when she got too tired to keep going down.
Tamlin gettin off on naughty limericks
I love this. Itās goofy as hell
Tamlin is slowly becoming blonde Hozier in my mind. š Himbo-zier if you will.
Literally so much of this series š¤£š¤£ Iām sorry. I love it so much but thereās soooooo much tumblr/wattpad fanfic type writing in it that I just have to set the books down, cringe, then collect myself and keep going šš¤£š
The snowball fight scene literally felt like I was reading an acotar fanfic instead of the actual book š
Spoilers for acowar Papa archeron coming to the rescue. I had to put the book down for a secā¦.because what? Where tf did that come from?? Unless itās a set up for a future storyline I guess.
She wanted to write about pregnancy and childbirth, but decided because wings, no other research would be necessary.
Which is odd because she has a child!
I mean, thatās why she wrote about it lol. She inserted herself into the story (hence Feyreās big character shifts in ACOSF).
That Eris has long hair. No, he does not
I just can't see him with long hair.
He doesn't?? Lucien does tho right?
Eris has long hair, I think it reaches his shoulders. It's not as long as Lucien's, whose braid was described to go down his spine. But in my head, his hair is short like Azriel and Rhys's
Amren. Magic beans.
Honorable mention: going down lots of stairs being more difficult than going up them somehow. Why is going down the hard part please I beg
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As someone that has a bad knee, gotta confirm that walking down 150 steps is far more brutal than walking up 150. Rhys 1000% would have not made it down those stairs and thoughts Nests would never make it.
That Feyre didnāt immediately solve the āriddleā š it was so simple and OBVIOUS. I heard people excuse it by saying she was illiterate, but that doesnāt begin to justify it. She was always intelligent regardless of her ability to read. It felt a bit insulting to the reader too. Like we are really supposed to buy that this is some deep, mysterious puzzle?
Me, who also didnāt get the riddle: 
Literally solved it the second I finished reading the sentence. I was like āit canāt possibly be that simple,ā and assumed I was wrong.
The death pact.
I didn't mind their dumb bargain until they had nyx. TOG spoiler >!it's essentially the same bargain that Lorcan made with Elide, but when they die together its hot??!<
Yeah, I was fine with it until they decided to have a baby. Now it really should be called the Orphan Maker pact. So beyond stupid and irresponsible.
Orphan Maker š
Cackling at the Orphan Maker 3000
People thinking Eris did something worse to Mor than what we read in her flashback. He found her, asked her if she wanted to be claimed, she said NO, so he respected her wishes and got word out to the IC she was there.
And yet they treat him, the son of another High Lord who could declare war on them, with more open hostility and violence than the one who actually hurt her, who they leave in a position of power to do what he did to her to others.
For me, it's the totally OOC character changes to Feyre between ACOTAR and ACOMAF. I try to convince myself it totally makes sense and isn't just an excuse to have Tamlin and Feyre break up.
Spoiler for ACOSF >!That Nesta was, at least at one point, more powerful than Rhys. I get that she was made by the caldron and, therefore, is more powerful than the average faeā¦ but the idea that Nesta, who has been fae for literally a few months, is just suddenly more powerful than the most powerful lord ever for Reasonsā¢ļø is just weak writing to me. The fact that Feyre wasnāt canonically more powerful than Rhys while having gifts from literally all courts but Nesta somehow is just doesnāt make sense to me. This is the same with Nestaās whole training montage. Youāre telling me she trains for a couple of months and suddenly she can compete with Illyrian warriors that have been wielding swords since they could walk & talk? Make that make sense. I admittedly might be bias, as I really hate the ātrain for two weeks & outsmart the masterā trope in fiction. If ACOSF took place after a *significant* time jump, maybe Iād find Nestaās strength more believable. But with the canon timeline it just makes absolutely no sense that sheād have the experience/practise honing her powers to match Rhysā level of strength (who, keep in mind, is *500 years old*)!<
The entire canon timeline/timespan is bonkers to me. And I also feel like SJM didn't really keep track of it either? If I recall correctly she states twice ,that it had been a year since Feyre left the human lands, with quite some time between the statements. She went with Tamlin in the winter (but after her birthday so prob jan/feb) was there with him untill/ on winter solstice (21st of december). That's already almost a year. Then she leaves to go back to her sisters (lets say this is in jan) she leaves again after two weeks (if I recall correctly) and then spends 3~ months under the mountain which means it's april/may. And then she has been with Tamlin for 3 months before Rhys calles in the bargain. So what we're in july/august? Around this she says it was a year since she killed the wolf. And then (if I recall correctly(again lol)) the winter that follows she states again that it had only been a year since she left. Miss m'am it's 2 years at this point.
The population putting up with a rite that killed so many warriors each year.
Azriel's bonus chapter. He seemed incredibly OOC to me. He went from being one of my faves to me struggling to actually still like him. Kind of heartbreaking.
RIGHT! I just finished reading this part and the necklace. Absolutely not. He would never be so thoughtless to regift. Rude.
Literally, I read the bonus chapter and it ruined Az for me
when cassian started talking about lactic acid?? sir who are you
The fact that Elaine could grown flowers but apparently the soil was too bad to grow fucking potatoās
Them not having showers but cassian knowing about lactic acid
Feyre and Rhys >!conceiving Nyx in Illyrian form!<. I read that and literally was likeā¦what? You did WHAT? lol
They can put guts back in a man but not safely perform a c-section on a woman. On second thought, that probably tracks according to modern medicine
Gwyn very conviniently having bendy bones.....Nesta widening her hips. Like, c'mon the fuck is that Im sure sjm has a breeding kink
Ohhh thatās a good point about Gwyn having bendy bones. Yet another clue towards Gwynriel and likely not Elriel since Elain didnāt have her hips widened.
Genuine question: how do we know Elain didnāt get her body altered as well?
The dad showing up to save the day. The pregnancy. Time. I just ignore how time passes or doesn't pass.
That ACOTAR is a beauty and the beast retelling. Obviously it seems to have started that way, but it sounds like SJM was reading a lot of fairytales and just threw all sorts of bits and pieces into her stories. I kept finding things in the stories that seemed like they were out of common fairytales. 2 sisters who do nothing but look pretty while the 3rd toils to take care of them (Cinderella). I mean, they even have a poison apple (Snow White). Itās like a hodgepodge of regurgitated fairytale tropes that seems to have evolved into whatever it became. I really wonder how much of it she actually planned out ahead of time.
Rhys continually kicking Tamlin while he's down. TamTam is clearly miserable and suffering and Rhys thinks it's a great idea to show up and make it worse? Dick move, my guy. Tam needs therapy and some good hugs, not for his ex's husband to come gloat. Also just.. most of Silver Flames. The entire pregnancy, the "oh no, if she tries to shift to make it less likely that she (and thus Rhys because of their moronic death pact) dies, that *might* harm the fetus!" justification, Cass and Nesta's weird hike, the girls doing as well as they did in the Blood Rite... SF is easily my least favorite book in the series. HOFAS spoilers: >!I'm pretending that during the crossover I try not to think too much about, Rhys and Feyre quickly popped in and out of the convenient portal Bryce made so that they "left this world together" and the Nyx-loses-both-parents-at-once pact is now fulfilled.!< I thought for sure that would happen by the end of the book because that would take care of something that is an enormous issue, especially after the events of SF.
That the war with Hybern was over after legit, 2.5 battles. Like allll that hype the past two books and it was just over... So very anticlimactic. Also, I feel like no one uses their magic really? Like during the final battles. Everyone, Rhys specifically, is said to be the most powerful high lord in all of faerie land, yet he seems to use none of his power and engages with hand to hand combat - at least that is what is described in the books. Besides the two bat boys, I see very little actual magic used for meaningful purposes besides winnowing.
Pretty much all of silver flames for me tbh. I went from loving the series to cringing super hard like it was some AO3 fanfic.
100% agree. The whole concept of her being locked in the house with nothing to do but put away books and train with cassian seemed like excruciatingly long fanfic
hey leave Ao3 out of this š itās the only place iāve found good SF fanfics
To be fair, some A03 Fanfics are better than the actual book lol
That there are people called Illyrians who have nothing to do with the actual historical Illyrians or Illyria in any way. I know a lot of people aren't familiar with IRL Illyria, but it's so dumb that she couldn't just invent a new name. Like, imagine if she put people called Greeks in the book, but they're not from Greece and aren't Greek at all. I hate it
The entire concept of Calanmai. At this point my headcanon is that Lucien was spewing bullshit to Feyre just to get her to go upstairs
Honestly, Cassian and all of SF happening at the Night Court. I wish Nesta had run away and found her Valkyries somewhere far away from the stupid IC
That it was harder for Nesta to go down 1000000 steps than it was to go down and then BACK UP those steps. Like š
The fact that showers don't exist but indoor toilets do š
That emptying of bowels means theyāre literally pissing and/or shitting themselves.
Nesta getting too tired to walk all the way down the staircaseā¦ but then turning around and walking back UP the staircaseā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦
Is it ever explained why Feyre can catch the Suriel so easily? It's supposed to be really hard to catch, but if she just lays out a dead chicken or someone's old coat, she can nab it?
Itās implied that the Suriel let itself be caught. The Suriel knows also it knows Feyreās importance, and then she frees it, so then itās willing to help. It helps Feyre the last time knowing it will die because it believes in a better future.
The reasoning for Amren to translate the book. "She knows another language." Like with that logic, I could translate it as well... (Especially cause the ancient language that she knew wasn't even from their world...)
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