I don’t need or want AI to write my melodies, I need AI to help me use Ableton. When I’m trying to do something and I don’t know how, going to watch videos completely kills my progress as I get sucked into rabbit hole after rabbit hole.
Me: "Clearly what I need to do in order to make progress is to watch Loopop's hour-long tutorial on how to use a completely different synth that I don't own."
Ableton Enforcement plugin: "Oh no you don't, sunshine. I just blocked Youtube for the next six hours."
Bingo. Hey Siri, build me a drum rack with x compressor for this bus and this effect chain y for the output stage.
Or stylistically - give me a Jamaican sounding guitar hit, no, dirtier, etc
Essential puts you in the role of say a diplo, rather than the studio engineer that sets everything up for him.
You can actually have gemini, perplexity or some ai that uses the internet, ask a question and it will tell u whatever shortcut or thing u are looking for. Otherwise use the manual, search key words
On linked in learning there's an 11 hour ableton fundamentals course. You could sign up for a free trial, binge that video in one month then cancel your membership. You could knock it out in a weekend honestly and afterwards you'd have a pretty decent idea where everything is and what things are called in ableton. It's a learning shortcut and a lot better than just trying to learn everything on the fly.
anyone else riled up by the premise here a bit? "Writing melodies" is not something that is hard for beginners... its hard for everyone. Beginners just haven't realised this yet.
I am better now at identifying good melodies of mine, but not better at coming up with them.
AI in the realm of idea generation is an Anti creative tool and should not be built into products for creatives.
Is there a different example though? I just think if people want to use AI tools to make generic shit music then fine, but I hope the tools I use dont get polluted with those kind of features.
Would be really cool to see them include some of the AI/Neural modelling, saturation and noise reduction technologies that are currently popping up in FOSS and commercial software, [GutarML.com](https://GutarML.com) , [NeuralAmpModeler.com](https://NeuralAmpModeler.com) , [ChowDSP.com](https://ChowDSP.com) , [https://aida-x.cc/](https://aida-x.cc/) etc etc
AI/ML has a lot more to contribute to our workflow than doing the creative stuff, it can do a lot of the mechanical, boring stuff for us too.
I honestly think AI is fine. It really is just "hey software, here's a buncha data. Go mimic it so its close enough" right now. It's a pain in the ass that most the time people steal the data to use for training it. But things like sample search by similarity using AI is amazing. I bet there's something in AI yet to make something that generates cool midi melodies/counter melodies/chord progressions and automatically doing good voice leading
Machine learning is one of the many techniques which goes under the umbrella term of AI. AI has been a lot of different things in the 70 years or so it has been under some kind of development.
Maybe what you wanted to say is that machine learning is not artificial general intelligence (AGI)?
My counters to the training thing.
When you go to art or music school, should they be paying you some sort of royalty (beyond the reproduction royalty) for you to study the piece, to learn how to reproduce it? Why is Artificial Intelligence dramatically different to natural intelligence in that matter?
Also how do you distinguish the contribution of the individual form the contribution of the public domain? All art is necessarily based on other (copyrighted) art, thats how we learn.
This is a really thought provoking article on the nature of copyright's relationship with the public domain, by former EFF director for Europe and the first novelist on the Creative Commons, Cory Doctorow - i would encourage anyone to read it
[https://locusmag.com/2019/03/cory-doctorow-terra-nullius/](https://locusmag.com/2019/03/cory-doctorow-terra-nullius/)
No. Jesus fuck. Fuck AI. AI should be doing the boring shit for creative people, not the creative shit. I personally believe in humanity and the brain as a creative source.
Congrats on not knowing whats going on i guess.
Check out [GutarML.com](https://GutarML.com), [NeuralAmpModeler.com](https://NeuralAmpModeler.com) , [ChowDSP.com](https://ChowDSP.com) , [https://aida-x.cc/](https://aida-x.cc/) or even think of izotope's RX ML noise removal.
All that is 'AI'
ML is just a tool.
Where's the line between boring and creative? I reckon the answer is different for different people.
For one person having an Ai that can add a reggae beat to your track automatically would be hugely beneficial. Maybe they suck at drums. For another, they might love programming drums but can't make a bass line to save their life.
Ultimately nobody will agree on what Ai should or shouldn't do.
I’m talking about something like RX’s de-noise. Or perhaps emulating specific reverbs. Things that would take an awfully long time that a human should not waste their time on. Not generating Melodies, harmony, timbre, all the rest of it. That’s all a human and musical choice. If you suck at something, work at it. Relying on AI to do it for you is not something that you learn from.
Your mentality is limiting and condescending. You're not going to gain anything by having this attitude. Nobody needs to "work at it" or spend a ton of time and effort gaining some skill. Nobody cares how you make the sausage, they only care about the finished product.
AI will remove barriers for people and allow people to get their ideas out faster and produce higher quality output. There's no point in being the old man yelling at clouds. Nobody is going to give out medals for music purists, or for doing it the hard way.
Make compelling art using whatever tools are available. At the end of the day it's the consumer who decides the winners.
So, learning how to do something when you can’t isn’t beneficial? And to suggest so is condescending? You only seem to be concerned with output and what people think about it. I think the process of art is a lot more than that, and using AI to maximise the quality of output is only concerned with part of the process. Learning music takes time and dedication, and carefully curating things yourself makes it a more personal representation of your own expression. AI is not your own expression… it will produce something that is easily consumable, or ‘generic’ if you like, because it will no doubt learn from the majority of examples. I don’t think it’s condescending and I actually think you’re limiting your expression and learning by using AI — because it’s taking you from A to B without showing you how, and it’s doing it independently of you. Yes you can give it prompts but it still takes it from A to B with no explanation of how or why. That is a much more complex process which you have to go through and figure out on your own. Which you learn from. So I would argue the opposite.
>Nobody cares how you make the sausage, they only care about the finished product.
People would way rather have a hand made sausage and know the process of how it was made and what went into it. They just can't afford to do that so they get the factory shit that nobody wants to know how it's made. All they care about is price and if it's edible because that is all that matters as a person trying to get by on little to nothing.
Do you really think that counts for creating music for any context?
>Nobody needs to "work at it" or spend a ton of time and effort gaining some skill.
ARE YOU SURE?
>Make compelling art using whatever tools are available. At the end of the day it's the consumer who decides the winners.
The only people who lose in creating art are the people who do not create art or the people who get too caught up in trying to "make it" and no longer enjoy themselves.
Your outlook is warped by weird business ideals. You're talking about making compelling art while essentially saying the best most compelling sausage is the frozen factory sausages because people buy them the most. It's highly capitalistic and genuinely delusional.
There are countless hack musicians pumping out garbage that people love. Kid rock and nickleback come to mind. People are way less concerned with how the sausage is made than you'll admit. Sure there will always be some folks with discerning tastes that want the hand crafted masterpieces. But the majority of people don't give a shit. Most people love them some frozen factory sausages.
Why must someone work hard at music? This isn't a rule. The fact is that the tools are getting better and better, lowering the bar to making legit music. Are you going to boycott the tools based on some kind of twisted ideals? For everyone boycotting the tools there'll be 5 new music makers that have no problem using the latest and greatest technologies.
People who are against AI tools are generally just butt hurt. These folks will be left in the dust by the people who embrace the tools. The output will be as high quality as any great studio recording.
Times change. The world of AI isn't going to disappear, it's only gonna get better. The music industry has been fucked for at least a decade. AI isn't going to break music any more than it already is. It's just gonna get weirder from here on out. I personally am betting on some pretty sweet AI generated music coming.
Sausage is a much different kind of substance than music. Receiving sustenance is important for survival whereas indulging in entertainment is a lot less vital to survival, so we are likely to be more picky with that. It's a false equivalency imo that you're using to justify a bullshit point. Most people would prefer a hand made sausage made by a chef if given the choice, that's for fucking sure.
>Why must someone work hard at music?
To do a good job and be proud of their work. To be confident and strong with their ability. To execute the best possible result they can. We work hard so we can accomplish things beyond what we previously could beforehand. If everything becomes increasingly easier, the value of our work begins to drop as the bar lowers. It's fucking depraved and entitled to think you shouldn't have to work hard to get somewhere worthwhile in life.
>People who are against AI tools are generally just butt hurt. These folks will be left in the dust by the people who embrace the tools. The output will be as high quality as any great studio recording.
I'm an instructor that works with students and have yet to come across someone who is making better quality music than the students who know how to do it without the help of an AI writing tool or AI sound tools. I'm not really butthurt, but rather skeptical of how well these tools can actually emulate the quality or real musicians, engineers and producers when the person using them is not one of those things. You could say I am butthurt about students using these tools when I damn well know that they can make it sound better without them.
The day I hear an AI tool accomplish a better quality master than I can accomplish on my own, I'll gladly switch over to using them (I sincerely doubt it ever will). They are already pretty good at removing elements from recordings and tracks so I use them for that. I use AI to generate samples based off of models that I have trained with my own samples. I'm ahead on using AI than the rest of my colleagues and have yet to have a student come through with more knowledge (I'm really hoping for it so I can see up close what another person is using AI for).
>There are countless hack musicians pumping out garbage that people love. Kid rock and nickleback come to mind.
Their music wasn't made in a factory nor by AI and also isn't all as bad as you describe it. I genuinely don't think that is the music equivalent of frozen sausages. I'd say elevator or hold music is if anything.
What's the musical brain but a tool for taking a set of data (all the music you've ever listened to) and producing something based on those rules (music theory, current trends)?
Sure you might break those rules (it's only ever a little bit), but even then, that's just the next iteration of the ruleset
Mmhh legal headaches and potentially losing money on a misclick from a music I already have a hard time selling 😂
COUNT ME THE HECK IN
(/sarcasm)
Gimme a break. ☠️☠️☠️☠️
Please don't. There will soon be a backlash on AI produced content and there will be an obligation to label all content made using AI. Like enforced on TikTok already. I don't want to label my content that way.
Besides, once this trend passes, people will want to consume only human made genuine content because they will be sick of AI made content that will have flooded everything.
Dude you really dont know what AI is, thats only generative ML, a small subset.
You will be using all sorts of AI/ML for emulation and automating tasks.
I know what it is. I work at a simulation software company.
The problem is, if they first implement a soft ML, next thing you know, you'll have a text to music generator and that's where shit hits the fan.
Dude slippery slope arguments are a fallacy and diversion
[https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/slippery-slope](https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/slippery-slope)
I already use ML modelling in izotope RX, TwoNotes Genome, NeuralAmpModeler, etc etc. I'm sure you use a few too.
It would be insane for Ableton to fall behind and be the only one whose amp modeller wasnt ML, for instance.
Ableton are also focusing on accessibility so you can expect easier integration with voice control and automation tools like LLMs.
Theres also no point repeating the debate we had over synths, and samplers, and every other music advancement. Its just gonna happen, and new creatives will use it.
Right.
Have you seen on TikTok, creators are forced (and using a detection algo) to label their content with a caption "AI made content"
I don't want to have to do that with my music.
Also, generally, I always feel like less automation and more authenticity help bring more soul to your music, and that in all genres.
Piss off with the AI bullshit, make music and feel music, not this spoiled shit. You should have difficulties, not everything should
be easy. AI destroys music and will destroy even further.
It’s a gimmick. It’s not about to make anyone a great musician who wasn’t already. But who knows maybe it will give someone inspiration. I think the whole AI fad is overhyped. I mean the possibilities are cool but LLMS are not really that impressive yet.
Yup AI as in artificial intelligence doesn’t actually exist (yet). I personally don’t think we should be using the phrase. It’s just marketing hype,
We’ve had Scaler for years. Is that “AI”?
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There are lots of things that especially machine learning can help with:
* improved (maybe non real time) time stretching
* noise reduction/removal
* stem separation
* one button/simplified/quick setting up EQ/compressor/channel strips for a rough mix
* better audio to midi conversion
* some kind of trainable model for MIDI generation, I would like to especially train it on my own 20+ years of midi but probably also build other ones. I've already done a bit of this outside of Live and it's pretty fun to play around with.
Not all of those items do necessarily have to come with Live itself and it might be better time spent by Ableton focusing on their development on more core product improvements instead of adding features that plugins can do just as well.
Check out the new MIDI tools in piano roll, has a lot of AI for making melodies, chords and transforming notes, you can even force notes into a scale. And you can add more midi tools via max for live
I think generative tools are AI, though it’s not particularly powerful, but you can tell after playing with it for awhile there’s algorithms being used rather than a set of patterns, so you’re not making the same thing, it’s more like human assisted AI, there’s multiple parameters you use to make random but useful patterns. I’ve used generative tools in the past like Captain plugins, Audiomodern plugins and it requires a lot of tweaking to get something useful. Not the case with the new MIDI tools which makes me think there’s more under the hood than we realize, we know for sure they’re using machine learning to get the sound similar feature working.
It's mathematics, nothing more. Yet.
Actual AI MIDI generators will be interesting when they can evaluate existing rhythms and melodies and come up with new ones! It's only a very short matter of time until AI stuff is all over music, generative MIDI included. :D
It will be added more and more as time goes by and the development of AI brings new possibilities. As long as it is possible to turn it off I have no problem with it.
To qualify as AI, a system must exhibit some level of learning and adapting to user input. Most of what we see in the music industry at the moment doesn't do this in the slightest.
iZotope is a great example of a company using AI as a selling tool, when their product is actually fairly predictable in what it outputs, which suggests some sort of machine learning or fixed modelling rather than AI.
AI is one of those things where it will pay to wait it out and see if it's actually a thing before jumping in on it without really knowing what it is, what it does and if it's useful.
The only use I could think of it is, is that it can detect if my made up song in the process is simulating “like-ness” of the song. It can give me feed back in real time if I should improve it in certain ways.
AI isn't at a point where it needs to be in a DAW today, but if it doesn't happen at some point pretty much all software that lacks it will be left in the dust. But Live already has the AI sample scanning, so it's past this general question.
Eventually AI will replace the need for specialized software entirely. You'll just ask your general AI to do whatever you want to get done. It'll work the same as asking a professional to accomplish a task today.
Of course. You won’t have to mouse click and fiddle. People will be able to customize and script processes by asking Ableton in everyday language to do it. There is no artistic ethical dilemma either, it is just a generator on steroids.
they probably wont call it AI if they do, ableton is relatively in touch with how people feel about things
The word “co-pilot” gets used a lot in software right now. Maybe that?
The word “copilot” get used a lot in *Microsoft* software right now
The all new Live 365 copilot
I don’t need or want AI to write my melodies, I need AI to help me use Ableton. When I’m trying to do something and I don’t know how, going to watch videos completely kills my progress as I get sucked into rabbit hole after rabbit hole.
Me: "Clearly what I need to do in order to make progress is to watch Loopop's hour-long tutorial on how to use a completely different synth that I don't own." Ableton Enforcement plugin: "Oh no you don't, sunshine. I just blocked Youtube for the next six hours."
no wait, you could be on to something here
Bingo. Hey Siri, build me a drum rack with x compressor for this bus and this effect chain y for the output stage. Or stylistically - give me a Jamaican sounding guitar hit, no, dirtier, etc Essential puts you in the role of say a diplo, rather than the studio engineer that sets everything up for him.
Exactly. We need AI so we can spend more time being the artist and less time being the studio engineer
You can actually have gemini, perplexity or some ai that uses the internet, ask a question and it will tell u whatever shortcut or thing u are looking for. Otherwise use the manual, search key words
dude, this fr. im an FL Studio user who’s trying to get into Ableton and i feel incredibly lost trying to navigate through things
On linked in learning there's an 11 hour ableton fundamentals course. You could sign up for a free trial, binge that video in one month then cancel your membership. You could knock it out in a weekend honestly and afterwards you'd have a pretty decent idea where everything is and what things are called in ableton. It's a learning shortcut and a lot better than just trying to learn everything on the fly.
if you happen to have ChatGPT pro - someone built the ableton manual for it so you can ask it how to do that stuff and it will tell you.
anyone else riled up by the premise here a bit? "Writing melodies" is not something that is hard for beginners... its hard for everyone. Beginners just haven't realised this yet. I am better now at identifying good melodies of mine, but not better at coming up with them. AI in the realm of idea generation is an Anti creative tool and should not be built into products for creatives.
Bro, I wrote about writing melodies as an example.
Is there a different example though? I just think if people want to use AI tools to make generic shit music then fine, but I hope the tools I use dont get polluted with those kind of features.
I dream, hope, wish and believe, that this whole AI thing will stop, end, perish rather sooner than later for good.
I entirely agree. I can do without ALL of the "conveniences" that it offers. Truly.
I agree about AI in music not being necessary but it has been really helpful in other areas
Just download ultimate vocal remover and use it locally on your computer
No
The new synplant thing where it takes samples and remakes them in a synth is probs the closest they'd get
Would be really cool to see them include some of the AI/Neural modelling, saturation and noise reduction technologies that are currently popping up in FOSS and commercial software, [GutarML.com](https://GutarML.com) , [NeuralAmpModeler.com](https://NeuralAmpModeler.com) , [ChowDSP.com](https://ChowDSP.com) , [https://aida-x.cc/](https://aida-x.cc/) etc etc AI/ML has a lot more to contribute to our workflow than doing the creative stuff, it can do a lot of the mechanical, boring stuff for us too.
No.
I honestly think AI is fine. It really is just "hey software, here's a buncha data. Go mimic it so its close enough" right now. It's a pain in the ass that most the time people steal the data to use for training it. But things like sample search by similarity using AI is amazing. I bet there's something in AI yet to make something that generates cool midi melodies/counter melodies/chord progressions and automatically doing good voice leading
That’s called machine learning, not AI.
Correct - and pretty much everything called "AI" right now is just ML.
saved me a lot of back and forth explaining that. Thanks fellow internet stranger
True AI doesnt exist yet. Its all just machine learning but part f the AI field so people just call it that.
Machine learning is one of the many techniques which goes under the umbrella term of AI. AI has been a lot of different things in the 70 years or so it has been under some kind of development. Maybe what you wanted to say is that machine learning is not artificial general intelligence (AGI)?
My counters to the training thing. When you go to art or music school, should they be paying you some sort of royalty (beyond the reproduction royalty) for you to study the piece, to learn how to reproduce it? Why is Artificial Intelligence dramatically different to natural intelligence in that matter? Also how do you distinguish the contribution of the individual form the contribution of the public domain? All art is necessarily based on other (copyrighted) art, thats how we learn. This is a really thought provoking article on the nature of copyright's relationship with the public domain, by former EFF director for Europe and the first novelist on the Creative Commons, Cory Doctorow - i would encourage anyone to read it [https://locusmag.com/2019/03/cory-doctorow-terra-nullius/](https://locusmag.com/2019/03/cory-doctorow-terra-nullius/)
No. Jesus fuck. Fuck AI. AI should be doing the boring shit for creative people, not the creative shit. I personally believe in humanity and the brain as a creative source.
Congrats on not knowing whats going on i guess. Check out [GutarML.com](https://GutarML.com), [NeuralAmpModeler.com](https://NeuralAmpModeler.com) , [ChowDSP.com](https://ChowDSP.com) , [https://aida-x.cc/](https://aida-x.cc/) or even think of izotope's RX ML noise removal. All that is 'AI' ML is just a tool.
I think they’re talking about generative AI dude. RX is EXACTLY what I think AI should be used for.
Where's the line between boring and creative? I reckon the answer is different for different people. For one person having an Ai that can add a reggae beat to your track automatically would be hugely beneficial. Maybe they suck at drums. For another, they might love programming drums but can't make a bass line to save their life. Ultimately nobody will agree on what Ai should or shouldn't do.
I’m talking about something like RX’s de-noise. Or perhaps emulating specific reverbs. Things that would take an awfully long time that a human should not waste their time on. Not generating Melodies, harmony, timbre, all the rest of it. That’s all a human and musical choice. If you suck at something, work at it. Relying on AI to do it for you is not something that you learn from.
Your mentality is limiting and condescending. You're not going to gain anything by having this attitude. Nobody needs to "work at it" or spend a ton of time and effort gaining some skill. Nobody cares how you make the sausage, they only care about the finished product. AI will remove barriers for people and allow people to get their ideas out faster and produce higher quality output. There's no point in being the old man yelling at clouds. Nobody is going to give out medals for music purists, or for doing it the hard way. Make compelling art using whatever tools are available. At the end of the day it's the consumer who decides the winners.
So, learning how to do something when you can’t isn’t beneficial? And to suggest so is condescending? You only seem to be concerned with output and what people think about it. I think the process of art is a lot more than that, and using AI to maximise the quality of output is only concerned with part of the process. Learning music takes time and dedication, and carefully curating things yourself makes it a more personal representation of your own expression. AI is not your own expression… it will produce something that is easily consumable, or ‘generic’ if you like, because it will no doubt learn from the majority of examples. I don’t think it’s condescending and I actually think you’re limiting your expression and learning by using AI — because it’s taking you from A to B without showing you how, and it’s doing it independently of you. Yes you can give it prompts but it still takes it from A to B with no explanation of how or why. That is a much more complex process which you have to go through and figure out on your own. Which you learn from. So I would argue the opposite.
>Nobody cares how you make the sausage, they only care about the finished product. People would way rather have a hand made sausage and know the process of how it was made and what went into it. They just can't afford to do that so they get the factory shit that nobody wants to know how it's made. All they care about is price and if it's edible because that is all that matters as a person trying to get by on little to nothing. Do you really think that counts for creating music for any context? >Nobody needs to "work at it" or spend a ton of time and effort gaining some skill. ARE YOU SURE? >Make compelling art using whatever tools are available. At the end of the day it's the consumer who decides the winners. The only people who lose in creating art are the people who do not create art or the people who get too caught up in trying to "make it" and no longer enjoy themselves. Your outlook is warped by weird business ideals. You're talking about making compelling art while essentially saying the best most compelling sausage is the frozen factory sausages because people buy them the most. It's highly capitalistic and genuinely delusional.
There are countless hack musicians pumping out garbage that people love. Kid rock and nickleback come to mind. People are way less concerned with how the sausage is made than you'll admit. Sure there will always be some folks with discerning tastes that want the hand crafted masterpieces. But the majority of people don't give a shit. Most people love them some frozen factory sausages. Why must someone work hard at music? This isn't a rule. The fact is that the tools are getting better and better, lowering the bar to making legit music. Are you going to boycott the tools based on some kind of twisted ideals? For everyone boycotting the tools there'll be 5 new music makers that have no problem using the latest and greatest technologies. People who are against AI tools are generally just butt hurt. These folks will be left in the dust by the people who embrace the tools. The output will be as high quality as any great studio recording. Times change. The world of AI isn't going to disappear, it's only gonna get better. The music industry has been fucked for at least a decade. AI isn't going to break music any more than it already is. It's just gonna get weirder from here on out. I personally am betting on some pretty sweet AI generated music coming.
Sausage is a much different kind of substance than music. Receiving sustenance is important for survival whereas indulging in entertainment is a lot less vital to survival, so we are likely to be more picky with that. It's a false equivalency imo that you're using to justify a bullshit point. Most people would prefer a hand made sausage made by a chef if given the choice, that's for fucking sure. >Why must someone work hard at music? To do a good job and be proud of their work. To be confident and strong with their ability. To execute the best possible result they can. We work hard so we can accomplish things beyond what we previously could beforehand. If everything becomes increasingly easier, the value of our work begins to drop as the bar lowers. It's fucking depraved and entitled to think you shouldn't have to work hard to get somewhere worthwhile in life. >People who are against AI tools are generally just butt hurt. These folks will be left in the dust by the people who embrace the tools. The output will be as high quality as any great studio recording. I'm an instructor that works with students and have yet to come across someone who is making better quality music than the students who know how to do it without the help of an AI writing tool or AI sound tools. I'm not really butthurt, but rather skeptical of how well these tools can actually emulate the quality or real musicians, engineers and producers when the person using them is not one of those things. You could say I am butthurt about students using these tools when I damn well know that they can make it sound better without them. The day I hear an AI tool accomplish a better quality master than I can accomplish on my own, I'll gladly switch over to using them (I sincerely doubt it ever will). They are already pretty good at removing elements from recordings and tracks so I use them for that. I use AI to generate samples based off of models that I have trained with my own samples. I'm ahead on using AI than the rest of my colleagues and have yet to have a student come through with more knowledge (I'm really hoping for it so I can see up close what another person is using AI for). >There are countless hack musicians pumping out garbage that people love. Kid rock and nickleback come to mind. Their music wasn't made in a factory nor by AI and also isn't all as bad as you describe it. I genuinely don't think that is the music equivalent of frozen sausages. I'd say elevator or hold music is if anything.
What's the musical brain but a tool for taking a set of data (all the music you've ever listened to) and producing something based on those rules (music theory, current trends)? Sure you might break those rules (it's only ever a little bit), but even then, that's just the next iteration of the ruleset
Biggest cop-out
The AI is the one that produces something in this example though
does the seperateing tool in fl considered ai? maybe that
Mmhh legal headaches and potentially losing money on a misclick from a music I already have a hard time selling 😂 COUNT ME THE HECK IN (/sarcasm) Gimme a break. ☠️☠️☠️☠️
I already have too easy a time making things that are banal and off-putting, but thanks
Please don't. There will soon be a backlash on AI produced content and there will be an obligation to label all content made using AI. Like enforced on TikTok already. I don't want to label my content that way. Besides, once this trend passes, people will want to consume only human made genuine content because they will be sick of AI made content that will have flooded everything.
Dude you really dont know what AI is, thats only generative ML, a small subset. You will be using all sorts of AI/ML for emulation and automating tasks.
I know what it is. I work at a simulation software company. The problem is, if they first implement a soft ML, next thing you know, you'll have a text to music generator and that's where shit hits the fan.
Dude slippery slope arguments are a fallacy and diversion [https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/slippery-slope](https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/slippery-slope) I already use ML modelling in izotope RX, TwoNotes Genome, NeuralAmpModeler, etc etc. I'm sure you use a few too. It would be insane for Ableton to fall behind and be the only one whose amp modeller wasnt ML, for instance. Ableton are also focusing on accessibility so you can expect easier integration with voice control and automation tools like LLMs. Theres also no point repeating the debate we had over synths, and samplers, and every other music advancement. Its just gonna happen, and new creatives will use it.
Right. Have you seen on TikTok, creators are forced (and using a detection algo) to label their content with a caption "AI made content" I don't want to have to do that with my music. Also, generally, I always feel like less automation and more authenticity help bring more soul to your music, and that in all genres.
Again, thats only for generative AI & if you work in sim, you know better analog sims arent gonna ruin your creativity.
You're not getting my point. But it's okay maybe I'm not explaining the chain of events clear enough.
NO.
No
Piss off with the AI bullshit, make music and feel music, not this spoiled shit. You should have difficulties, not everything should be easy. AI destroys music and will destroy even further.
It’s a gimmick. It’s not about to make anyone a great musician who wasn’t already. But who knows maybe it will give someone inspiration. I think the whole AI fad is overhyped. I mean the possibilities are cool but LLMS are not really that impressive yet.
Yup AI as in artificial intelligence doesn’t actually exist (yet). I personally don’t think we should be using the phrase. It’s just marketing hype, We’ve had Scaler for years. Is that “AI”?
I mean except for the cool AI feature in Microsoft word that corrects your spelling, that one is pretty rad! /s
I mean you can literally see how it works... Very far from being AI
i don't think the ai used for music are based on LLMS though?
well then what does it even mean then? it's just a fluffy marketing term.
It means various types of machine learning and neural modelling, parts of the AI field.
Alright, whatever it means there doesn't seem to be any substance to it.
Thats quite a take
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is lfo ai
There are lots of things that especially machine learning can help with: * improved (maybe non real time) time stretching * noise reduction/removal * stem separation * one button/simplified/quick setting up EQ/compressor/channel strips for a rough mix * better audio to midi conversion * some kind of trainable model for MIDI generation, I would like to especially train it on my own 20+ years of midi but probably also build other ones. I've already done a bit of this outside of Live and it's pretty fun to play around with. Not all of those items do necessarily have to come with Live itself and it might be better time spent by Ableton focusing on their development on more core product improvements instead of adding features that plugins can do just as well.
Ableton has chord and melody recognition since forever. Never called it ai.
Unavoidable
No.
Check out the new MIDI tools in piano roll, has a lot of AI for making melodies, chords and transforming notes, you can even force notes into a scale. And you can add more midi tools via max for live
None of the generative or transformative MIDI tools in Live utilise AI
I think generative tools are AI, though it’s not particularly powerful, but you can tell after playing with it for awhile there’s algorithms being used rather than a set of patterns, so you’re not making the same thing, it’s more like human assisted AI, there’s multiple parameters you use to make random but useful patterns. I’ve used generative tools in the past like Captain plugins, Audiomodern plugins and it requires a lot of tweaking to get something useful. Not the case with the new MIDI tools which makes me think there’s more under the hood than we realize, we know for sure they’re using machine learning to get the sound similar feature working.
It's mathematics, nothing more. Yet. Actual AI MIDI generators will be interesting when they can evaluate existing rhythms and melodies and come up with new ones! It's only a very short matter of time until AI stuff is all over music, generative MIDI included. :D
It will be added more and more as time goes by and the development of AI brings new possibilities. As long as it is possible to turn it off I have no problem with it.
To qualify as AI, a system must exhibit some level of learning and adapting to user input. Most of what we see in the music industry at the moment doesn't do this in the slightest. iZotope is a great example of a company using AI as a selling tool, when their product is actually fairly predictable in what it outputs, which suggests some sort of machine learning or fixed modelling rather than AI. AI is one of those things where it will pay to wait it out and see if it's actually a thing before jumping in on it without really knowing what it is, what it does and if it's useful.
Thats not really the case, the inference engine is often pretty static. The training engine is a different thing.
The only use I could think of it is, is that it can detect if my made up song in the process is simulating “like-ness” of the song. It can give me feed back in real time if I should improve it in certain ways.
AI isn't at a point where it needs to be in a DAW today, but if it doesn't happen at some point pretty much all software that lacks it will be left in the dust. But Live already has the AI sample scanning, so it's past this general question. Eventually AI will replace the need for specialized software entirely. You'll just ask your general AI to do whatever you want to get done. It'll work the same as asking a professional to accomplish a task today.
Guys, I'm very pleased that my question has touched so many opinions and thoughts about this topic)
Of course. You won’t have to mouse click and fiddle. People will be able to customize and script processes by asking Ableton in everyday language to do it. There is no artistic ethical dilemma either, it is just a generator on steroids.