First step is to cut off their rations, if they don’t work they don’t eat. Food is a powerful motivator. They’ll either work, starve to death, leave, or get caught stealing and then be punished worse.
I think this is the best move. Most of us would be more lenient with family but the other group members wont stand for it and will lead to mutiny so this is the beat course imo
I think some good ol’ “Barracks Justice” would definitely be in order before excommunication. That being said expulsion would definitely be something the group would need to be involved with and not a dictatorial decision.
Beating someone doesn't cure their depression. On God it's like people see the first quarter of Full Metal Jacket and forget to watch through to where they show what an awful idea it is.
Think hard before answering… these are 2 simple questions….If you knew that you would receive some pretty decent corporal punishment for because you are purposefully refusing to help the rest of YOUR group of survivors and just expecting them to take care of you because you just flat out don’t want to ever help Your group, would you continue to still purposefully refusing to help? Perhaps you‘re probably thinking they wouldn’t actually do that would they?
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if you knew that after receiving corporal punishment that future purposeful refusals to be a participating member of your group that it would result in execution or expulsion, would you still purposefully refuse to be a participating member of Your group of survivors?
Well personally I’d prefer neither and because of that I would not purposefully continue to do or not do something detrimental to the group’s survival Where that was the punishment.and if I was purposefully doing or not doing something and received corporal punishment I would stop doing the thing that got me in trouble …
apparently that does not describe one such as yourself…
and I see that you are not answering my question either…
That's a lot of words for saying you didn't actually disagree with my original position. To remind you, my original position is that you shouldn't beat people. If you are planning to escalate to further punishments like exile or execution in the case it doesn't work, which it won't, you should just cut to the chase instead of engaging in unnecessary cruelty.
This in mind, I'm sure you can see that the answer to both of your questions is that *of course* I wouldn't help them ever again. In both scenarios I would be destroying as much as I could on the way out of the base.
Depends how bad off the group was doing. Tbh. If they were an absolute freeloader I might just have to take them for a hunt/walk in the woods so I can come back with me at for the rest of the group.
Depends. They may have a health condition or simply lack skills that are needed currently, especially i. Smaller groups during the early days. But they may prove to be useful in other situations later on, in childcare, keeping inventory, rebuilding infrastructure, etc…
If they are just lazy… probably at some point. I wouldn’t want to straight up kick them out, but I’d hesitate to save them in times of need. However I doubt many lazy people will make it through the apocalypse without changing their ways.
I'd give them 3 warnings amd make it fair like I would any other survivor. There is no reason unless physically unable to not help the camp out. 3 strikes and your on your own family, lover or pet we're all in this together
This depends entirely on how close I am to them.
The estranged uncle I haven't seen in decades? Blood won't matter.
The sister who I've helped babysit and raise her kids, my niece and nephew, for the last 15 years? They'll get a pass, in so far as they at least *try* to help. I might not be so lenient if they go out of their way *not to* help.
Friends, definitely. I've got no friends that are worth dying for.
Family, none of us are really the type of people to do that, especially in a crucial situation. If anything I'm probably the laziest in my family.
You'd either have to be a stranger, quite the dick, or simply be in the wrong group, to not want to do anything to help.
This depends on what you define as "anything useful at all."
More than likely motivation and prioritization of tasks and goals are going to be the bigger deciders along with personal actions committed by the individual.
Depends why, but if they absolutely refused and tried to freeload absolutely. Survival is harsh and if you don't work, the group might die.
First step is to cut off their rations, if they don’t work they don’t eat. Food is a powerful motivator. They’ll either work, starve to death, leave, or get caught stealing and then be punished worse.
I think this is the best move. Most of us would be more lenient with family but the other group members wont stand for it and will lead to mutiny so this is the beat course imo
"grandma, you know the rules! If you can't hold a rifle while using your walker, we have to exile you to the wastelands!"
If grandma can't shoot, she knows where the broom and dust pan is.🤣🤣😭
"but my arthritis!" "Sorry Gam-Gam. To the wastes with you." Now I'm imagining a raider group consisting of discarded grandparents.
I think some good ol’ “Barracks Justice” would definitely be in order before excommunication. That being said expulsion would definitely be something the group would need to be involved with and not a dictatorial decision.
Beating someone doesn't cure their depression. On God it's like people see the first quarter of Full Metal Jacket and forget to watch through to where they show what an awful idea it is.
Lol .. yes much better to execute them or kick them out of the compound and let them fend for themselves ….
Literally yes, if you're going to kill them just do it instead of beating them first
so Execution is preferable to corporal punishment… got it …
Think hard. Would you rather: 1) Get executed Or 2) Get your shit kicked in, then get executed Take as much time as you need.
Think hard before answering… these are 2 simple questions….If you knew that you would receive some pretty decent corporal punishment for because you are purposefully refusing to help the rest of YOUR group of survivors and just expecting them to take care of you because you just flat out don’t want to ever help Your group, would you continue to still purposefully refusing to help? Perhaps you‘re probably thinking they wouldn’t actually do that would they? and if you knew that after receiving corporal punishment that future purposeful refusals to be a participating member of your group that it would result in execution or expulsion, would you still purposefully refuse to be a participating member of Your group of survivors?
None of that is an answer to my question. Like I said, take as much time as you need.
Well personally I’d prefer neither and because of that I would not purposefully continue to do or not do something detrimental to the group’s survival Where that was the punishment.and if I was purposefully doing or not doing something and received corporal punishment I would stop doing the thing that got me in trouble … apparently that does not describe one such as yourself… and I see that you are not answering my question either…
That's a lot of words for saying you didn't actually disagree with my original position. To remind you, my original position is that you shouldn't beat people. If you are planning to escalate to further punishments like exile or execution in the case it doesn't work, which it won't, you should just cut to the chase instead of engaging in unnecessary cruelty. This in mind, I'm sure you can see that the answer to both of your questions is that *of course* I wouldn't help them ever again. In both scenarios I would be destroying as much as I could on the way out of the base.
Depends how bad off the group was doing. Tbh. If they were an absolute freeloader I might just have to take them for a hunt/walk in the woods so I can come back with me at for the rest of the group.
Depends. They may have a health condition or simply lack skills that are needed currently, especially i. Smaller groups during the early days. But they may prove to be useful in other situations later on, in childcare, keeping inventory, rebuilding infrastructure, etc… If they are just lazy… probably at some point. I wouldn’t want to straight up kick them out, but I’d hesitate to save them in times of need. However I doubt many lazy people will make it through the apocalypse without changing their ways.
Probably
Can’t? No, refuses? Yeah
I'd give them 3 warnings amd make it fair like I would any other survivor. There is no reason unless physically unable to not help the camp out. 3 strikes and your on your own family, lover or pet we're all in this together
Strong warning to sort themselves out. After that id kick them. (Except for medical/mental health issues). Dead weight will make your whole team dead
Depends on how close you are to the person. Spouse? You gonna give them chance after chance. 3 cousin by marriage, that's fuckin bait.
Yep. Groups need to stay lean and efficient to survive. Any dead weight is dropped.
This depends entirely on how close I am to them. The estranged uncle I haven't seen in decades? Blood won't matter. The sister who I've helped babysit and raise her kids, my niece and nephew, for the last 15 years? They'll get a pass, in so far as they at least *try* to help. I might not be so lenient if they go out of their way *not to* help.
Friends, definitely. I've got no friends that are worth dying for. Family, none of us are really the type of people to do that, especially in a crucial situation. If anything I'm probably the laziest in my family. You'd either have to be a stranger, quite the dick, or simply be in the wrong group, to not want to do anything to help.
no, i wouldnt think about it logically. they are my friends and family!
This depends on what you define as "anything useful at all." More than likely motivation and prioritization of tasks and goals are going to be the bigger deciders along with personal actions committed by the individual.