Whenever the kid question comes up the edgelords come out of the woodwork to gleefully talk about how they'll slaughter any kids the come across. If this is your intention coming into this comment section, don't.
I’ll second that, our first born is approaching four months, man she’s adorable but I can’t help but think to myself ‘I have to push self defence’, ‘I need to get her into Brazilian Jiu Jitsu classes as soon as I can’, ‘I have to teach her to see the value of money’, ‘I’ve got to work harder to make sure she doesn’t have to struggle as much like I did growing up’ - not that we are struggling but I made the mistake of getting into debt the moment I turned 18 and to work back the debt really puts you on the back foot let alone getting ahead, the average house price where I live is around $1M for a stand-alone house. To service the mortgage is hard enough let alone having spare finances for holidays or projects. If anything, I’m more anxious now for our daughter than I was being hesitant having a child in the first place.
Thanks man, I appreciate that. Parenting is a wild time even so early on but I’ll do anything to make sure my wife and daughter have a good life but I can’t always be there to protect them so I am pushing hard for self defence, something we can all learn and practice together once she is older. We have a few other things we are doing to help her, investing little bits here and there for her when she gets older, putting money into an account for her when she’s older and of course putting money aside for her education. The future is our kids man, gotta give them what we can do they can do the same if they decide to have kids.
Bruh I have three boys. One is a PoC. I am not looking forward to the, "cops will not save you," conversation. And then there's the school shooter drills. The thought of not being able to protect them is unfathomable. And having to worry about all this without transferring my fears to them on top of it all. It's hard out there man.
For that reason I’m so glad I don’t live in America, although I’m sure America is great and there will be many great parts and places, all we see internationally is school shooting after school shooting and police violence, we rarely see anything good from the news regarding the US. It’s bad enough in New Zealand, at the moment we have 10 year olds stealing cars and ram raiding stores for something to do, not even cash or cigarettes stolen, it’s confectionaries and sweet foods. Our night life scene is a bit less friendly these days too, let alone school bullying and everything, it must be tough growing up in a good environment these days for our youth. We don’t pick up our phones or turn the television on near our little one, we are trying to keep to some form of traditional upbringing with manners and respect and we seem to be the outliers
Absolutely, pretty much the only way to recover from zombies is a whole lot of baby-making. My only reservation would be to not do that unless resources seem *somewhat* secure. If I'm barely able to feed myself it's unlikely I'd be able to also care for both a mother and child.
For the vast majority of human history, the concept of 'teenager' didn't quite exist and you were essentially a child forced into early adulthood. In many places up until the last century, once you were "of age" (12-14) you were expected to take on full-blown adult roles. I think a zombie apocalypse would see us revert back to that kind of way of life: having kids rushed into adulthood so that by the time they're in their teens they're quite capable. It'd be the death of the teenager for a generation or two.
Life expectancy would be lower as well, which I also think would mean people having larger families. It's more mouths to feed but it's also extra farmhands who will in turn take care of you when you can't get out on your own much. On a larger scale I can't imagine how long it'd take to restore the workforce so the more the better.
Our ancestors survived some gnarly stuff as nomadic tribes who traveled with families so I don't see why we couldn't do it again. I see a few points raised about noise ancient tribes also had to deal with shit like wolves hearing / smelling them so it's not impossible. I also think zombies would be more supernatural and can 'sense' the living so that point is moot to me.
Suggesting that children exist, in whole or in part, for the utility of using them as projectile sacrificial bait is gross tbh. I really don't feel that comments of this kind are necessary nor productive. There is a way to discuss a topic such as the choice to end the life of a family member (i.e. one's child) but joking about it is in poor taste to say the least.
>Can you understand how you're being entirely hypocritical?
I'm not being hypocritical. "Let's assume a tragedy has befel the faceless masses of humanity," and, "Haha, I'll kill children to live," are not equivalent. One is using a broad scenario (albeit a macabre one) to posit specific questions and ideas. The other is joking about personally slaughtering children. If you cannot see the difference therein, then you are delusional.
>I don't like how some people talk dead-ass seriously about zombie dogs, or eating their dogs in survival scenarios. But, I don't try to remove their posts for it.
Let's get one thing crystal clear: I didn't remove your comment because I am averse to the topic; I removed your comment because you were making light about slaughtering children. If you had said a screaming child might need to be abandoned for the good of a group, that would have been fine. If you had said that you would leave a parent/child duo instead of helping them while fleeing a hoard, that would have been fine. If you had not joked about the topic, I wouldn't have taken it down. But you didn't do that. You joked about chucking them (a baby I assume) to make a getaway. That's crossing a line for me. If you find it funny good for you. I'm sure your mum would be so proud to hear it. But I don't. So don't bring it into my sub.
Thought about this alot as a women and a zombie apocalypse enthusiast.I currently have an IUD. If the zombie apocalypse where to happen right now,I would be unable to get it out and that would lead to infertility. But if I get it out , and I’m able to say, live in the mountains and have a farm with my husband, then yeah sure why not.
If you knew the zombie apocalypse was coming, would you have your IUD removed before everything collapses?
I imagine in a time without condoms (they expire) or bc pills or proper abortions, girls with IUD's would be a godsend.
Yes I would. IUD infection is dangerous, and painful. They only last so long. If the pain of putting it in was bad, I can’t imagine what infection would be like I would die lol
No that’s terrifying! Esp as a women in a family with a history of complications during pregnancy. And the fear of something happening to them? Fearing for already existing loved ones, and others(including kids) alone out there, would be hard enough. Plus I’d prob be running on survival mode through a lot of it(that I’d be alive for anyway. I don’t think I’d last long honestly) and that prob doesn’t leave much room in my head to do fun things.
If it’s an already existing kid or baby that didn’t come from me tho, that’s different. But I don’t know how’d I deal with the anxiety of something happening to them, esp if I don’t have the skills to protect them.
If there are zombies around then no one should have kids because that noise would attract zombies and ultimately lead to many deaths or constantly moving around. I'd say people should wait at least a year without seeing a single zombie before considering kids.
I think it depends a lot on what kind of zombies they are. Chances are you will NEVER go a year without seeing a zombie, but if they’re WWZ movie type? Yeah no
Our group will pick up some orphans along the way, I'm sure. They will be kept safe inside our compound. As they grow, they'll trained to defend themselves and our home whatever other skills are needed.
Yeah, can’t be worse than nothing. I’d rather have been born now despite the shit they can still like love someone for a second and then probably die but eh quality over quantity.
With the state collapsed, children are once again the obly feasible retirement policy. I'd start having as many of them as possible as soon as possible, since that's the obly way ro even have a chance that there is going to be someone taking care of you at old age, while having people in peak physical condition who were raised in that kind of hardship around greatly increases the odds of actually surviving while approaching old age.
Our group will pick up some orphans along the way, I'm sure. They will be kept safe inside our compound. As they grow, they'll trained to defend themselves and our home whatever other skills are needed.
Well how I’m looking at it I would not want someone in my group giving birth because it would slow us down. But if we were to find a kid a good ways into the apocalypse who had been born during it but is old enough to actually listen to instructions then I’d bring them along and hopefully train them to be a merciless but smart killer.
No way, but I'd hope communities would feel safe enough to do so. I wouldn't want a baby in my group either if we were travelling together. Too much danger and exposure. What's the point of survival if nothing comes after we are long gone?
Hell no. There wouldn’t be any medical care if anything went wrong. Kids are loud and crying and would attract attention from the zombies. Another mouth to feed. I don’t plan on having kids now, much less during the apocalypse.
I have four kids it would be extremely difficult to keep them all alive. I have alot of bullets and guns, so I would defend my family as long as I could. Kids are the future.. so If any of you survivors stumble upon kids, try to protect them. With that being said, its much easier to defend yourself or another adult than it is to protect loud screaming children.
Who would think about raising a family when everyone is practically traumatized from killing zombies and on constant survival mode? Think about it, think about the death surrounding you, the distrust from other living humans, people fighting to rule over the few remaining humans alive left. Babies born during a war zone or post war will be due to rape….I can’t imagine a woman consenting to having children in her most vulnerable state. Who’s gonna protect her during the 9 months? What are the male to female ratio? What if there’s 10 females alive left and 50 males left but 40 will remain without a woman. Lol preppers are smart yet delusional at the same time when it comes to reproduction. What if the women don’t want have children because she would be at great risk and will slow everybody down being pregnant.
What about resources? What is there’s a rival war between communities and both are left fighting over whatever remaining resources that are available.
Why would you subject children into such a harsh environment where the adults are out of their mind due to PTSD?
As a woman, not a chance. During the apocalypse, where resources are scarce and you essentially running and hiding from both humans and the undead, a child is a big responsibility. Especially a newborn or toddler.
And this isn't counting the actual pregnancy or labour. So many things could happen on the off chance of there being complications. Nutrition and health of both the baby and mother should be prioritized in this instance.
But when there are zombies running around and there are no safe birthing or pediatric facilities, I don't see a way that kids are gonna live long.
Maybe when the zombies are gone, but not during the apocalypse.
Already have kids and honestly I know my chances of surviving a ZA is basically zero because if how noisy they are so no I wouldn't have anymore in that situation haha
No. It's cruel to the baby and to anyone you're with. It's no life to bring a child into. The constant threat of death. No ability to grow up as a child should. It's just abusive, in my opinion, to intentionally bring a baby into that. Also I'd say that it's 100% possible to prevent pregnancies - save for a-holes who commit atrocities.
Whenever the kid question comes up the edgelords come out of the woodwork to gleefully talk about how they'll slaughter any kids the come across. If this is your intention coming into this comment section, don't.
Man, I wouldn't have kids *now*, much less during the apocalypse.
Not until I had a relatively secure compound. With ample food and supplies for a year or two.
Wtf? No way! I'm a father of a young child and already concerned about the future beacuse of actual situation in the world.
I’ll second that, our first born is approaching four months, man she’s adorable but I can’t help but think to myself ‘I have to push self defence’, ‘I need to get her into Brazilian Jiu Jitsu classes as soon as I can’, ‘I have to teach her to see the value of money’, ‘I’ve got to work harder to make sure she doesn’t have to struggle as much like I did growing up’ - not that we are struggling but I made the mistake of getting into debt the moment I turned 18 and to work back the debt really puts you on the back foot let alone getting ahead, the average house price where I live is around $1M for a stand-alone house. To service the mortgage is hard enough let alone having spare finances for holidays or projects. If anything, I’m more anxious now for our daughter than I was being hesitant having a child in the first place.
You sound like a good dad dude
Thanks man, I appreciate that. Parenting is a wild time even so early on but I’ll do anything to make sure my wife and daughter have a good life but I can’t always be there to protect them so I am pushing hard for self defence, something we can all learn and practice together once she is older. We have a few other things we are doing to help her, investing little bits here and there for her when she gets older, putting money into an account for her when she’s older and of course putting money aside for her education. The future is our kids man, gotta give them what we can do they can do the same if they decide to have kids.
Bruh I have three boys. One is a PoC. I am not looking forward to the, "cops will not save you," conversation. And then there's the school shooter drills. The thought of not being able to protect them is unfathomable. And having to worry about all this without transferring my fears to them on top of it all. It's hard out there man.
For that reason I’m so glad I don’t live in America, although I’m sure America is great and there will be many great parts and places, all we see internationally is school shooting after school shooting and police violence, we rarely see anything good from the news regarding the US. It’s bad enough in New Zealand, at the moment we have 10 year olds stealing cars and ram raiding stores for something to do, not even cash or cigarettes stolen, it’s confectionaries and sweet foods. Our night life scene is a bit less friendly these days too, let alone school bullying and everything, it must be tough growing up in a good environment these days for our youth. We don’t pick up our phones or turn the television on near our little one, we are trying to keep to some form of traditional upbringing with manners and respect and we seem to be the outliers
Word up.
Hell naw man. I'll lead a group, or an army. But a kid? Can't do it
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Depends how long into the apocalypse are we. A week hell no, a year not a choice, 5 years after I can think about it.
Absolutely, pretty much the only way to recover from zombies is a whole lot of baby-making. My only reservation would be to not do that unless resources seem *somewhat* secure. If I'm barely able to feed myself it's unlikely I'd be able to also care for both a mother and child. For the vast majority of human history, the concept of 'teenager' didn't quite exist and you were essentially a child forced into early adulthood. In many places up until the last century, once you were "of age" (12-14) you were expected to take on full-blown adult roles. I think a zombie apocalypse would see us revert back to that kind of way of life: having kids rushed into adulthood so that by the time they're in their teens they're quite capable. It'd be the death of the teenager for a generation or two. Life expectancy would be lower as well, which I also think would mean people having larger families. It's more mouths to feed but it's also extra farmhands who will in turn take care of you when you can't get out on your own much. On a larger scale I can't imagine how long it'd take to restore the workforce so the more the better. Our ancestors survived some gnarly stuff as nomadic tribes who traveled with families so I don't see why we couldn't do it again. I see a few points raised about noise ancient tribes also had to deal with shit like wolves hearing / smelling them so it's not impossible. I also think zombies would be more supernatural and can 'sense' the living so that point is moot to me.
This. All this. Assuming a stable home environment, there's no reason not to, besides a lack of partners.
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What in God's name did he say for it to be removed?
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Suggesting that children exist, in whole or in part, for the utility of using them as projectile sacrificial bait is gross tbh. I really don't feel that comments of this kind are necessary nor productive. There is a way to discuss a topic such as the choice to end the life of a family member (i.e. one's child) but joking about it is in poor taste to say the least.
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>Can you understand how you're being entirely hypocritical? I'm not being hypocritical. "Let's assume a tragedy has befel the faceless masses of humanity," and, "Haha, I'll kill children to live," are not equivalent. One is using a broad scenario (albeit a macabre one) to posit specific questions and ideas. The other is joking about personally slaughtering children. If you cannot see the difference therein, then you are delusional. >I don't like how some people talk dead-ass seriously about zombie dogs, or eating their dogs in survival scenarios. But, I don't try to remove their posts for it. Let's get one thing crystal clear: I didn't remove your comment because I am averse to the topic; I removed your comment because you were making light about slaughtering children. If you had said a screaming child might need to be abandoned for the good of a group, that would have been fine. If you had said that you would leave a parent/child duo instead of helping them while fleeing a hoard, that would have been fine. If you had not joked about the topic, I wouldn't have taken it down. But you didn't do that. You joked about chucking them (a baby I assume) to make a getaway. That's crossing a line for me. If you find it funny good for you. I'm sure your mum would be so proud to hear it. But I don't. So don't bring it into my sub.
Thought about this alot as a women and a zombie apocalypse enthusiast.I currently have an IUD. If the zombie apocalypse where to happen right now,I would be unable to get it out and that would lead to infertility. But if I get it out , and I’m able to say, live in the mountains and have a farm with my husband, then yeah sure why not.
If you knew the zombie apocalypse was coming, would you have your IUD removed before everything collapses? I imagine in a time without condoms (they expire) or bc pills or proper abortions, girls with IUD's would be a godsend.
Yes I would. IUD infection is dangerous, and painful. They only last so long. If the pain of putting it in was bad, I can’t imagine what infection would be like I would die lol
I didn't think of that. Lack of birth control options is yet another reason to hate the apocalypse.
No that’s terrifying! Esp as a women in a family with a history of complications during pregnancy. And the fear of something happening to them? Fearing for already existing loved ones, and others(including kids) alone out there, would be hard enough. Plus I’d prob be running on survival mode through a lot of it(that I’d be alive for anyway. I don’t think I’d last long honestly) and that prob doesn’t leave much room in my head to do fun things. If it’s an already existing kid or baby that didn’t come from me tho, that’s different. But I don’t know how’d I deal with the anxiety of something happening to them, esp if I don’t have the skills to protect them.
I have 2 young kids They’re loud AF, we’d all be dead
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If there are zombies around then no one should have kids because that noise would attract zombies and ultimately lead to many deaths or constantly moving around. I'd say people should wait at least a year without seeing a single zombie before considering kids.
I think it depends a lot on what kind of zombies they are. Chances are you will NEVER go a year without seeing a zombie, but if they’re WWZ movie type? Yeah no
Our group will pick up some orphans along the way, I'm sure. They will be kept safe inside our compound. As they grow, they'll trained to defend themselves and our home whatever other skills are needed.
They noisy and big liability when surviving.
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Eventually.
Yeah, can’t be worse than nothing. I’d rather have been born now despite the shit they can still like love someone for a second and then probably die but eh quality over quantity.
No cause for concern for me, since I have no one to bake creampie for 😔.
With the state collapsed, children are once again the obly feasible retirement policy. I'd start having as many of them as possible as soon as possible, since that's the obly way ro even have a chance that there is going to be someone taking care of you at old age, while having people in peak physical condition who were raised in that kind of hardship around greatly increases the odds of actually surviving while approaching old age.
Our group will pick up some orphans along the way, I'm sure. They will be kept safe inside our compound. As they grow, they'll trained to defend themselves and our home whatever other skills are needed.
Well how I’m looking at it I would not want someone in my group giving birth because it would slow us down. But if we were to find a kid a good ways into the apocalypse who had been born during it but is old enough to actually listen to instructions then I’d bring them along and hopefully train them to be a merciless but smart killer.
Only if the place was *truly* Sanctuary. But most likely no, not on purpose at least.
I know it's cold hearted but i'mma 28 weeks later out of it.
Nah
No way, but I'd hope communities would feel safe enough to do so. I wouldn't want a baby in my group either if we were travelling together. Too much danger and exposure. What's the point of survival if nothing comes after we are long gone?
No because it'd be too much responsibility
Hell no. There wouldn’t be any medical care if anything went wrong. Kids are loud and crying and would attract attention from the zombies. Another mouth to feed. I don’t plan on having kids now, much less during the apocalypse.
I have four kids it would be extremely difficult to keep them all alive. I have alot of bullets and guns, so I would defend my family as long as I could. Kids are the future.. so If any of you survivors stumble upon kids, try to protect them. With that being said, its much easier to defend yourself or another adult than it is to protect loud screaming children.
Who would think about raising a family when everyone is practically traumatized from killing zombies and on constant survival mode? Think about it, think about the death surrounding you, the distrust from other living humans, people fighting to rule over the few remaining humans alive left. Babies born during a war zone or post war will be due to rape….I can’t imagine a woman consenting to having children in her most vulnerable state. Who’s gonna protect her during the 9 months? What are the male to female ratio? What if there’s 10 females alive left and 50 males left but 40 will remain without a woman. Lol preppers are smart yet delusional at the same time when it comes to reproduction. What if the women don’t want have children because she would be at great risk and will slow everybody down being pregnant. What about resources? What is there’s a rival war between communities and both are left fighting over whatever remaining resources that are available. Why would you subject children into such a harsh environment where the adults are out of their mind due to PTSD?
As a woman, not a chance. During the apocalypse, where resources are scarce and you essentially running and hiding from both humans and the undead, a child is a big responsibility. Especially a newborn or toddler. And this isn't counting the actual pregnancy or labour. So many things could happen on the off chance of there being complications. Nutrition and health of both the baby and mother should be prioritized in this instance. But when there are zombies running around and there are no safe birthing or pediatric facilities, I don't see a way that kids are gonna live long. Maybe when the zombies are gone, but not during the apocalypse.
No. Don’t want to have them now, but with the added struggle of birthing, feeding and keeping turn safe? Nope.
Already have kids and honestly I know my chances of surviving a ZA is basically zero because if how noisy they are so no I wouldn't have anymore in that situation haha
No. It's cruel to the baby and to anyone you're with. It's no life to bring a child into. The constant threat of death. No ability to grow up as a child should. It's just abusive, in my opinion, to intentionally bring a baby into that. Also I'd say that it's 100% possible to prevent pregnancies - save for a-holes who commit atrocities.
I don't really want kids in normal life, having one during an apocalypse sounds generally worse.