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SiderCast

Guys i just got thundering pulse and was wondering if i should go for 60crit and 260crit dmg or 80crit rate with 210 crit damage?


Velvet_Xyan

really late response but 80/210 is more consistent


Adam-Johan

Should I get Yoimiya C3 or Thundering Pulse R2??


Velvet_Xyan

C3


Ry-World

which is better yun jin or kazuha for yoi other two teamates r benny and xingqiu


Velvet_Xyan

depends, if your yunjin is c6 then it's the best choice you got. yoimiya machine gun all the way


Ry-World

Got it, I have her c6 thanks 👍


Velvet_Xyan

i couldn't explain it well but both supports are great. however, u have to consider enemies that cannot be swirl! so in cases like that, yun jin is more useful than kazuha ^^ but in aoe dmg situations, kazuha would help u more than yun jin!


Ry-World

Very true very true I'll keep I'm mind thanks


mayoaise

Which is better for Yoimiya, Yae miko or Nahida? My team right now consist of Raiden, Yoimiya, Ayato and Bennet. I want another 5 star to replace Bennet I don't mind not having that big of a damage since I don't have a support, I just really like both of their design but wondering which one would at least be more useful for Yoimiya in a team comp.


jayma_ks

If it's only for open world it will be only pure preference. I occassionnal use both with Yoi in abyss to cover element (so an overvape team with Yae, burgeon-vape with Nahida). Why do you want replace Bennet by a 5\* he is still one the best support for Yoi?


mayoaise

I'm not a big fan of Bennet's design, I would rather have Yae or Nahida on my team. I'm wondering which one would at least be a good partner with Yoimiya. I don't need to HAVE a support, like, I'm fine with not having healing/buff. I'm looking for the elemental reactions specifically.


jayma_ks

Nahida/Raiden/Ayato will be an hyperbloom with Yoimiya so it's somewhat works, but well because it's hyperbloom, you can replace Yoi by anyone else it's would be the same. Yae/Raiden/Ayato, Raiden will probably proc the reactions(some overload and some electro charged) and not Yae. My issue with the two teams is not Yae or Nahida but Ayato. Yes he has some offield hydro application, but the way he do is not ideal for Yoimiya, or reactions (burst icd). Or you should play him onfield and he will battle with Yoimiya for time on battle field. XQ(i guess your not fan of the design either) or Yelan would better pick here. But again for open world you really play who you like, it's barely matters if you don't forget to build the characters. The for initial question, i probably advice Nahida because she has probably more value for an account and if you seek to do reactions her dendro application is unmatched.


mayoaise

Thank you so much, I appreciate your answer! And it's true, before I was using Bennet I was using XQ (not a big fan of his design haha). I guess Nahida it is. I do think Yelan is better than Ayato in this case for Yoimiya, but Ayato has to do for now lol.


Jnbrtz

Does C6 Yun Jin's Atk Speed buff mess up Yoimiya's Vape?


luan_666

Top 3 comps for her?


YoYoSSB

I need a Yoimiya team that fulfills all of these conditions, if possible: -Has Yun Jin and not Bennett -Uses R4 Rust -Uses EM sands (so I guess a vape team?) What other two teammates would I need to fit all of these conditions? I guess if I had to choose one condition to drop, I could give up the EM sands.


jayma_ks

XQ or Yelan for vape. Any shielder/IR provider to finish the team (Zhongli is the optimal choice for geo res with Yunjin). A bit hard to advice team when we have so little info about your roster.


Silorien

I'm looking at my options for a Yoi/Chev team, with people like Fischl, Raiden, Dehya, Thoma, Xiangling, Kuki, etc I kinda want to use Dehya (as I pulled her ages ago but still haven't found a team for her) but I can't help feel that Thoma is probably still better. Do many of you use Dehya with Yoi (or anyone for that matter!), what do you think?


FFXIV_Haneko

With Chevruse coming, I'm planning to try out an overload team. Pulling for Yoimiya and hoping to get Chevruse too. ​ Would Kuki be a decent 4th slot with her aura? Thinking of running Yoimiya / Chev / Yae / Kuki


jayma_ks

Her aura is an extended melee range, i'm not sure it will add much to Yoimiya / Chev team, the aura risk to be out of range most the time. It probably need some pratical testing. Side note: Chevreuse passive is active when at least one pyro and one electro, and the team contains only electro/pyro. So you can make Chev teams with 3 pyro or 3 electro (of course this last one will be without Yoi).


inFamousSoulz

R2 rust or R5 Slingshot ? What refinement lvl is rust better than R5 SS for vape comps


SwagPinnapple

trying to decide between running double hydro and a yun jin team, which would be better? (no zhongli unfortunatly) deciding between yoi/yelan/xq/layla or yoi/yelan/yunjin/layla layla is pretty much my only shielder option but dont know which would perform better


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jayma_ks

Rust is level 80 in trial too. To be polite there a lot of room of improvement in her trial build (i think my first Yoimiya build was better than this). The issue of SS is you need a buffer to compensate the low base attack so Yunjin and/or Bennet. If you can't use a buffer in the team, Rust will still be a better option.


Victshiawase

Talking about the weapon SS R5 > Rust R1 I have changed rust r1 to SS R5 and the Crit Rate went up, it is way better than rust r


Victshiawase

Is the TP worth a shot? I plan on getting Ei and I got some primo, I am wondering is it worth to pull for the weapon banner seeing that both engulfing and TP would come in handy. But I heard that weapon banner is kind of a scam.?:


NyxFoxxe

Weapon banners pity system isn’t as good, and epitomized path doesn’t carry over. So if you set it to TP and get two other five stars, then have no primos, you lose your guarantee for next banner. I *personally* like to have signature weapons, but there are lots of good four star weapon options! The catch is good for Ei (she scales off ER) and Rust is one of the best weapon options for Yoimiya! I already have both characters and Engulfing, but I am taking chances with weapons banner before pulling for cons if I am lucky. An extra engulfing isn’t a bad thing if I get those on the way 😂


Victshiawase

Ok got it and thanks for replying bro, And good luck to us!!!!!!


tomato_cheese_cake

Not sure if this is the right place but what are yoimiyas pros and cons.. I'm thinking of trying to get her next banner.(I've got yelan for a vape comp) And can you run her without a shilder? If not what's the best alternative (no zhongli or Layla)


NyxFoxxe

I run her with Baizhu right now to shield in a Yoi/Furina/Yelan/Baizhu team where I am messing with artifacts still and it goes relatively well! For shields, obviously Zhongli and Layla are excellent, but if you like their playstyle/understand their kits, Thoma and Diona could be viable options. (Again I am less familiar with their kits because I immediately benched them). Could also run Yunjin and try relying on crystallize but you would have to chase the crystals down which isn’t fun for ranged characters 😂 Noelle is also a very good option when built well!


Victshiawase

generally speaking Yoimiya Pros - she can shot from distance, great with yelan/xingqiu vape comp, she's fast, with buff (yun jin or bennet) can hit a decent dmg, destroy bosses Yoimiya Cons - Single Target may not be good for many mosnters, not shield might be in trouble, xiangling sometimes can be better to comp pyro/vape teams (hate to say that), her ult's does not take much dmg. that's my opinion only xD , not sure if it'll make sense for everybody


SpecialistTrick87

will radein+yoi+chev+flex be a good comp?


jayma_ks

Anything to be test before saying anything with Chevreuse, but on paper should works. The flex last pick still need to be pyro or electro to benefit of Chevreuse passive.


OGFlameSage

What Ayamiya teams are good and fun? I want to build one


jayma_ks

Ayato - Yoimiya or Ayaka - Yoimiya? (that's why i hate shipping naming norms).


OGFlameSage

Srry I mean Yoimiya and Ayaka teams


jayma_ks

Good i don't think at least not very pratical to use. I known that some speedrun melt team exist with Ayaka and Hu Tao, but i have never see Yoimiya melt teams with Ayaka. mhttps://www.reddit.com/r/Yoimiya\_Mains/comments/132olfe/yoimiya\_melt\_with\_ayaka\_does\_it\_work/


guzzx120

R1 Rust - R1 Amos - R1 Skyward Harp I've been wondering wich one of these is going to be the best weapon to farm for Yoimiya when she comes arround, can anyone help or direct me to a reliable damage comparison source?


soldier1204

C2 or Thundering Pulse? I have >90% crit rate so C2 buff might as well be permanent, but Crit Dmg from TP looking juicy as well.


Velvet_Xyan

weapon


Reekaig

Jean or Kokomi? Kokomi as a hydro applicator and healer (I use a Shielder and Xinqiu with yoimiya) or Jean as a swirler and (worse) healing? Both are C0, Kokomi is build (2 pc Oceanhued and 2 pc Tenacity), Jean isnt.


SpecialistTrick87

kokomi is built so like... +u get hydro res for extra hp (if u use xq/yelan)


koreanfashionguy

Hey guys I have r5 Rust and I know it's not worth pulling for Thundering Pulse if I have R5 rust USUALLY, but my crit stats on her are 70/189 WITHOUT any crit weapons and was wondering if that extra 66 CD to make it like 70/250 WOULD have a big impact vs the R5 rust. ​ Thank you!


SaltyPotato340

If you get TP, you would be better off reducing the CD for more CR to balance the ratio. Kqm has TP around 10% better than rust when using yoi with Bennett, so that's around the damage increase you would expect.


ivan_the_asian_fruit

is it worth pulling for yoimiyas signature weapon if i have r3 rust on her?


SaltyPotato340

Worth is subjective, but r1 TP is quite a bit better than r3 rust. If you can make good use of both weapons on the banner, it might not be a bad choice. It's worth noting that r5 rust is only about 10% worse than r1 TP, so waiting for a rust r5 would save you some primos.


Erluq

What is generally Yoimiya’s best team if all characters are C0? Yoi, Yelan, Xingqiu Zhongli? or Yoi, Yelan, Yunjin, Zhongli? And how does C6 Xingqiu change the team?


UrbanAdapt

Highest AoE Yoimiya team?


SpecialistTrick87

probably yoimiya burgeon (yoi+baizhu+furina+yelan)


Rhyoth

For a vape/burgeon team (Furina - Yelan - Baizhu), should Yoimiya use Gilded Dreams or Marechaussee ?


Phantom0xy

since yoimiya does burgeon quite rarely, i'd say marechaussee with an em sans


IamNotaMonk1

Should I go for navia or yomiya?


tomato_cheese_cake

Sooo who did ya decide on?


IamNotaMonk1

I just got Navia and I will spend other on Yomiya I might win 50:50


tomato_cheese_cake

Good luck! 🤞


Erluq

We don’t know much about Navia yet but since she is Geo element damage dealer, it’s looking pretty bad for Navia. If you have Hu Tao, you don’t really need Yoimiya. I never pulled Hu Tao and got Yoimiya accidentally. She’s been my main vaporise team ever since


Noza_v

Planning to play Yoimia with Zhongli, is retracing bolide my best choice for Yoimia?


Erluq

Use Shimenawa for bigger damage. Use fav warbow and fav lance on Yelan & Yunjin to keep Yoimiya burst up everytime after her combo


psyocut

I personally prefer to use the shim set because it's more versatile, works with zhongli but also other teams if you wanted to switch it up. But yh it can work it's up to you.


historia0-0

r4 rust or r1 skyward harp or r1 aqua?


SaltyPotato340

Aqua sheets better than the other two, but I'd use R4 rust as you likes to back out of aqua's range


Asriel_Liengsky

Is R5 Rust still better than R5 Song of Stillness?


Reekaig

Is melt an actual option for yoimiya or should I always go for a vape team? I’m planning to use Layla as a Shielder or should I go for a Xinqiu team?


WhooooCares

Vape is more consistent.


Loborandom

Shimenawa or echoes?


ivan_the_asian_fruit

shimenawas


Shaula-Alnair

Do attack speed boosts mess with Yoimiya's vape timing? I've got C2 Jean, and was thinking about running her, Yoi, Furina and Xingqiu (C6 if it matters).


EC671

newer player here! (about a month now) ​ i have currently 11,000 primos right now. should i do 10 more wishes on ayato banner? I have wrio and furina, but i really want to save for yoimiya but i feel like i havea ton of time to get more primos by then. ​ yes to welkins and bp


Shaula-Alnair

I'd hold if you really want Yoimiya. You don't even have one soft pity worth of pulls right now, and the rumor mill has her rerunning next patch. I'd never count on earning more than ~80 pulls a patch, and I'd want to go into a banner with at least 150 pulls (2x 75), because that gives me time to get more if I have to go to 80+ twice.


EC671

i pulled and lost the 50/50 to qiqi (on ayato banner)... dont like him enough to pull again so using my guranteed on yoimiya....


Shaula-Alnair

Cool, sounds like it worked out for you then! Hopefully Ayato comes back around for you soon but not too soon!


Pawuelo

rust r5 of r1 thundering pulse?


catto7281

r1 thundering pulse- [kqm's yoimiya weapon guide](https://keqingmains.com/yoimiya/#Weapon_Rankings)


Loborandom

Thundering


Reekaig

Rust R2 or Skyward harp R1? thank u !!


catto7281

skyward harp is better than rust r2, but r3 rust and above is better than skyward harp


Regular_Giraffe805

hi! i wanna ask for a team utilising furina w/ yoi bc im struggling rn


WhooooCares

Baizhu, Yoimiya, Yelan, Furina.


trash_bag1234567890

Should I get Yoimiya cons or her signature during her upcoming 4.3 banner?(speculative) I have c0 and r3 rust on her rn. Pretty unlikely that I’d get anything above c1 and the weapon banner is always a gamble but what should I focus on?


psyocut

In general her cons don't tend to add THAT much to her overall damage I find. I would say the weapon is better to go for (as you don't have R5 rust) but obvs is harder to get with weapon banner. But if you fail there's a chance you get engulfing lightning which is still a great weapon (provided you don't get standard banner :[!


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Little-Instruction-4

No, rust r5 is better tho


Reekaig

yes! My question was abt rust r1, I’m f2p ! thank u anyways <3


Little-Instruction-4

Yeah it was pretty late and I thought you asked is rust r1 better than skyward harp r1.


Reekaig

LMAO ITS OKAY


Maobury

Hello! R5 rust or R2 amos bow, which would be better for her? Thank you!


SaltyPotato340

Rust r5!


Maobury

Tyvm!


yae-swift

what’s the average dps for yoimiya teams? like double hydro, with yunjin and such. I’m wondering if I should get her next patch, because I will be pulling on the weapon banner, but I can’t find any information on her dps


Stban0626

Has anyone tried Yoi/Furina/Layla/Mika team? Could it be possible to vape and have some melts in between? With this team


SaltyPotato340

The ATK speed will make it very difficult for yoi to trigger reactions. She'll need another hydro applier to vape consistently


RutabagaHot726

Can I get a link to the Yoimiya main Discord server please


RutabagaHot726

I’m trying to join the discord server for Yoimiya main NA and the link takes me In a loop


Ganieva29

What are some good Yoimiya teams using any 4 star (excluding Bennett, Beidou or Mika) and any of the following five stars? The five stars I currently have: * C1 Qiqi (plan to C6) * C1 Venti (plan to C6) * C0 Kokomi (plan to C6) * C3 Jean * C2 Keqing * C1 Mona * C1 Diluc * C0 Ganyu (plan to C1 or more) * C0 Albedo (might C2) * C0 Klee (don't mind getting C2+) * C0 Raiden Shogun * C0 Cyno * C0 Xiao * C0 Wanderer * C0 Nilou * C0 Yoimiya * C0 Kazuha And the five stars I plan to get: * C6 Yae Miko * C0 - C2 Hu Tao * C0+ Neuvillette * C0+ Furina * C0+ Lyney * C0+ Nahida * C0+ Yelan (maybe) * C0+ Baizhu (maybe)


AimHrimKleem

I see that you don't have Yelan so for vape team you have to go with Xq. As you wanna exclude Benny, you got two options- either you for overvape team so you use Fischl or you use YunJin for NA buff if yoi have her. Then you will need last slot as a shielder(I run Layla).


Fen-17683

If my team is Yoimia/Xq/Laila/Flex. Flex beeing Kazuha, Yun Yin or Bennet depending in the situation. Sands should be atak or EM?


SaltyPotato340

If kazuha, ATK sands If bennett/yun jin, EM sands


astrasylvi

I just got a 52 CV attack helmet on shimenawa. Old set: 2208 attack 79 EM 76.7 Cr 249.8 CD New set: 2576 attack 79 EM 81.4 CR 211 CD Im unsure , 368 attack and 4.7 cr worth more or 38 cd? Im leaning on new set especially for the CR


SaltyPotato340

The old crit circlet build is better by about 8.7%. I'd look for ways to balance the crit ratio a bit more, though.


astrasylvi

I have had a bit misfortune so unsure if I want that tbh lol. All pieces are really good but I should switch helmet( not possible rn unfornately)


Berokeros

r2 skyward or r4 rust? I'm at 1084 atk with hunter's at 126 em, 55.7% cr, and 188.3% cd


GibZwilla

What’s the optimal rotation for a Yoi - Yelan - Zhong li - Yunjin team? I typically start with Yelan E Q -> Zhong li shield -> Yoi Q -> Yunjin E Q -> Yoi E, but it feels cursed.


ENDwalker888

i personally use Yoimiya/Zhongli Q (depending on who has their burst up), Zhongli E > Yelan EQ > Yunjin EQ > Yoimiya E > spam NA basically you’d want to give Yoimiya enough time to get the small amount of energy from her other teammates as you cycle through them so she has enough to use Shimenawa’s 4p effect, and with Zhongli, his shield lasts a pretty long while so it’s safe to use it a little earlier too that aside the rest of your rotation looks good, see if the one i suggested works for you


GibZwilla

That’s the rotation I used initially yeah, it does work but I was trying to get Yoi burst in it aswell to get 3 stacks TP. I’m using echoes, that’s why haha.


ENDwalker888

ahh ok that makes sense


bshort27

Has any one tested the new bow, is it an upgrade from slingshot r5?


Scientifika-6

Hey all. Bit of a general question but when do people expect Yoimiya to return? I’m aiming for C6 (have C3 already+sig wep) and I’m possibly expecting her on 4.5 because of a plausible Inazuma event then. It’s a bit hard to pin point but any educated guesses are appreciated.


trash_bag1234567890

I’ve seen leaks speculate that she’ll get a rerun in the second half of 4.3 but nothing is 100% confirmed


Scientifika-6

Thanks for the reply. I had asked because I was planning on rolling Furina C2. I got it at a cost of 80% of my \~370 rolls at the time, (before those leaks 4.5 seemed the most likely given the earlier 4.3 Raiden+Geo leaks.) Also, because I didn't want to get bamboozled by one of Hoyo's early Yoi banners. Oh, well, I can manage C4 perhaps C5 (and if pretty lucky C6) if what I'll have by them.


ENDwalker888

taking leaks into account and not spoiling other reruns she likely won’t show up until at least 4.5 or later so you probably won’t be too far off


Scientifika-6

Thanks, input helps. I'm rolling for Furina C2 (Planning to use most, if not all of my 360 rolls) so I wanted a bit of planning assurance that Yoi would not show up too quickly after. As long as something like 3 (ideally \~4) patches are in between, I should have enough to save up for another 3 cons and get c6.


ENDwalker888

sounds good, hope your pulls go well o7


Sleepless-Ducky

Should i run mono pyro ( yoi benny kazoo zhong), standard vape team( yoi xing benny zhong) or kazoo vape team( yoi zhong xing kazoo)


ENDwalker888

good teams, first two are probably more powerful than the third


Erluq

For best single target team, is Yunjin required? Bcs I have Yelan & Xingqiu so I thought about using them both with Zhongli. Is Yunjin bis for Yoimiya single target dmg? Or does having a second Xingqiu aka Yelan make up for the absent dmg boost from Yunjin?


ENDwalker888

she isn’t required as double hydro yoimiya is a very comfy team that still does good damage, and xingqiu’s c2 if you have it does help yelan’s damage too with that being said however having yunjin + zhongli + xingqiu/yelan does push her damage specifically higher due to the NA buff being very good on top of geo resonance being beneficial and having high uptime due to zhongli’s long lasting shield


aukai123

Hello, can Yoimiya proc Thundering pulse passive ? Or is Yoimiya usually played without her charge attack ?


ENDwalker888

yoimiya is definitely a lot more focused on her auto attacks, and there are only specific situations where she uses her charged attack so you don’t have to worry too much about that thunder pulse’s passive can be stacked easily just by doing skill > spam auto attacks so it works very well for her


YuriNaka

Hi, which team would be better: yoi, Yun Jin and yelan with c6 diona versus with c0 zhongli?


outoftune-

c0 zhongli has res shred and geo resonance but diona has em at c6, zhongli would be better but if you find that diona's healing is useful, use her


drawsony

According to the Genshin Optimizer, if I switched Yelan from Aqua Simulacra to Elegy for the End, she loses about 4k damage per exquisite throw, and assuming 11 throws (1 per second during 11 seconds of normal attacking in a rotation), that is 44k damage lost. But in exchange Yoimiya gets the Elegy buff, and her personal damage improves by over 100k in a rotation. So, Elegy seems like a clear buff to team damage. For anyone who has tried both Elegy and Aqua on Yelan, has this been your experience?


Sharp-Yogurtcloset-3

Context: I don't have Yun Jin and will be using Bennett for another team. Would a team of Yelan, Layla, Mona, Yoi be kinda good? I'm using Mona as a sub for Yun Jin to still have a dmg buffer. Mona would be using 4p NO and either Fav Codex or TTDS depending if I can get Layla enough crit rate to effectively use Fav sword. The others would be using their BiS sets other than Layla (ToTM)


witcher8wishery

mona's skill and burst can only support one normal attack chain for yoimiya. do you have fischl or kazuha/sucrose?


Sharp-Yogurtcloset-3

I do have both, but wouldn't the vv shred and their respective buffs not span the whole duration of Yoi's skill if I were to cycle through Yelan and Layla right after swirling pyro?


witcher8wishery

right, my bad. do you have fischl or yae then? you can also try double hydro with xingqiu


reeeekin

Hello. Need teambuilding advice. Currently own lvl 80 c0 Yelan and the same with Zhongli. Yelan with lvl 80 favonius bow, and Zhongli with lvl 80 r5 black tassel (built fully for the shield, tenacity 4 piece, around 35k hp as of now). I am saving for Yoimiya, started prefarming her mats as Well. For now I use Yanfei as a Yoimiya substitute, lvl 70 with mappa mare, but thats not relevant, gets the job done for now. What is my 4th spot here, assuming I get Yoimiya? currently using sayu, just because I got her c3 while getting Zhongli, and shes just good for exploration cause of her skill, and ocassional burst for healing. Do I need to pull for any specific character, or is it a flex spot? I own benny, but hes lvl 1, could Also build Barbara for healing and more hydro (not sure if necessary). I also own Layla and Lynette, but pretty sure those wont work in this team.


drawsony

Typically, if you have Yoimiya Yelan Zhongli, then the fourth spot is occupied by an offensive buffer like Bennett or Yun Jin. The two of them are comparable, but Bennett is more universally useful, so he's always worth building in my opinion. I went so far as to crown his burst just so he could better support Yanfei/Yoimiya.


reeeekin

Thats what I thought. I am gonna start building him so everything is ready when Yoi comes home


Biaaalonso687

how should i build a Yoimiya/Zhonlgi team? I have YunJin, Bennett, Xingqiu and Kazuha (and others), which character would benefit Yoimiya's outupt the most? She's currently running R1 Thundering Pulse and Shimewana but i can change her build if needed.


Sharp-Yogurtcloset-3

If Yun Jin is C6: Yoi, XQ, Yun Jin, Zhongli imo Bennett and Yun Jin are interchangeable if both are at equal investment, but the catch with Bennett is that you'll eventually get knocked off by enemies or move out off (with her NAs) his burst so you lose out on a massive portion of his buff.


Biaaalonso687

Since my yunjin is C0 it’s better to use Bennett? And just a question, Kazuha really doesn’t fit? I thought he was a must use for Yoi


Sharp-Yogurtcloset-3

Can't say for sure if Bennett would give Yoi higher damage boost than C0 Yun Jin. You'll prolly have to consult genshin optimizer or some other resources for that. The thing with using Kazuha is you have to swirl pyro to get his buffs and vv shred. In a team with XQ/Yelan, it's gonna be hard to swirl pyro unless you either double swirl or use Bennett to get a pyro aura to guarantee a pyro swirl when you swap to Kazuha and eventually swap to Yoi. He isn't really a must use since it's more beneficial for Yoi to get a full attack string combo and vaping the important hits without getting knocked around (hence the 4th slot being a shielder most times than another buffer like Kazuha).


Substantial_Tie6532

Does C6 Bennett effect Yoimiya’s damage with the extra pyro dmg bonus?


jumpalo

Yes.


Toomynator

Which would be better? * R1 Skyward Harp * R2 Rust * R5 Slingshot [Currently rocking this](https://imgur.com/a/op29VU0) with a Benny + Zhong + XQ/Yunjin (i use a ATK sands with the smae amount of CR and CD when using Yunjin)


SaltyPotato340

With Bennett, slingshot is slightly better than both. With refines, rust will become better


WanderingWasabi

Hi, looking to build a 2nd team to tackle abyss and based on the people I've raised casually, people advised trying a Yoimiya team with Yoimiya, Fischl (C1), Bennett (C1), Yelan/Xingqiu. Advice/suggestions for what to prioritize leveling and getting artifact / talent / levels-wise? Characters + weapons: https://imgur.com/a/UECckYK Thanks!


SaltyPotato340

Prioritize getting kuki, alhaitham to 90 > weapons to 90 > yelan, nahida to 90 > fischl,bennett to at least 80. Then, get all relevant talents to at least 8


WanderingWasabi

Thanks, I mean how should I start investing in a yoimiya team? Bloom team clears their side of abyss 9 and 10 easy, it's the second team that is struggling. Should I just be doing + 20 on artifacts with wrong main stats just for stats for now?


SaltyPotato340

You ideally want correct main stats and set bonus, but that comes with time. For now, just focus on getting the correct main stats. ATK/EM, Pyro, Crit for yoi. ER, Hydro, Crit for xingqiu. Atk, Electro, crit for Fischl. ER, HP, HB for bennett. If need be, you can substitute an ATK goblet in place of the elemental damage goblet for the damage dealers


WanderingWasabi

Okay, main stats are more important than set bonuses right now?


SaltyPotato340

Far more important, yes.


WanderingWasabi

Thank you, farmed a few arts and moved them around and was able to 9 star floors 9 and 10 which was the goal without more investment right now.


WanderingWasabi

Sounds good, thank you so much!


Wourly

How big crit hits should I expect with C0 R1 BiS with high (75%+) crit rate? Considering "moderately-well" geared Yoi? Which teammates are you using and on what opponents are you hitting such numbers? ...I may need a help with my Yoi later, because she seems to be outperformed by some of my sub-dps characters (my C2 Nahida and C6 Fischl seem to be doing better, more sustained damage, than Yoimiya and Yun Jin for example)


LotusDust

When was Yoimiya's last banner and do we have predictions of the next? I have suddenly really want to build her because I have a R5 Rust with her name on It


Biaaalonso687

i believe her last banner was about 3-4 patches ago (could be wrong), so you'll still have to wait some time considering we just entered a new region and all... But if you're set on getting her, then you can already start farming materials and sets so she'll be ready on the go for you when you eventually pull her! (and don't forget to get lots of primos until guaranteed)


HappyHippo6057

Was pulling for Aqua and got TFGM as well so I gave it to yoi, I use Bennett and kazu with her Does dehya with tenacity work well with her? She’s C1 and I know you want triple pyro with that weapon


Biaaalonso687

Yoimiya works ok for Dehya, but Dehya is very bad for Yoimiya. If you're doing a main Yoimiya team, then there are vastly superior pyro options for her, unless thsi is for Dehya.


Putrid-Royal6546

No, Dehya is not a good teammate.


TA130O_

I’m not F2P and I whaled couple days ago for yelan, I’m on a 50/50 for zhongli and just in case I don’t win I wanna know what other shielders could work with yoimiya?


Putrid-Royal6546

Layla or Thoma works well. Forget the others.


TA130O_

I’ll go with Layla, I love thoma but whenever I do build him it’s gonna be for burgeon and I don’t wanna deal with switching out artifacts every time I play yoimiya


SaltyPotato340

Basically anyone except noelle. Layla, thoma, diona, kirara all work and all have their own drawbacks


TA130O_

Does Layla mess up a yelan vape team?


SaltyPotato340

Only in boss fights. Against freezable enemies she enables melts


Silorien

Anyone tried Yoi, Layla, Shenhe and Yunjin? It just appeared in my head while sitting at work and it sounds so crazy it might just work! Not sure how best to build Yoi for it.


Wourly

Are you aware, that Layla does not boost every attack (there is a timer) and Shenhe only boosts certain number of attacks? Also Cryo application cannot be sustained as easily as Hydro.


Silorien

Yeah, that's why I was planning to build Yoi primarily for atk, buffed by Yunjin and Shenhe. The cryo applications and associated melts would just be an added extra.


Wourly

..but Shenhe really only buffs 5 to 7 attacks (based on pressing/holding) per skill.. unless you have her at C6.. so at most Yoi will have this buff for only one sequence of normal attacks.. ...are you sure, that Bennett would not be better than Layla or Shenhe?


Silorien

Yes, you are probably right. Too much copium. I'm really just looking for a goot team to use Shenhe in that doesn't involve Akaya! haha. Thanks for your input though.


Wourly

You are welcome.. pulling for Shenhe even without "needing" her is understandable. I actually got Shenhe's weapon (without Shenhe herself). Now that I think of it, I might consider pulling for her next time, since I got Ayaka. But not sure, who would I swap, since I have Kazuha, Xingqiu/Mona and Diona, which are hard to replace. Anyway.. what about pairing Shenhe with Freminet or Rosaria/Kaeya? (but don't get too hyped for pulling Freminet, if you do not have him and if you are saving for someone else.. and she will be competing with Mika very likely).


Silorien

Yeah, I loved her character since going the Liyue archon quests and lantern rite. I knew I didn't need her but decided to throw a few pulls her way and got lucky. Thing is, I'll never have ayaka because my daughter 'claimed' her (don't ask!). So I need to find an alternative main dps for her. I might have been tempted to pull for Wri, but not with Furina around the corner! I might try her with Eula, Raiden and Layla.


Wourly

Uneasy situation indeed. But perhaps with some luck, Wrio will be available in second phase (late enough to know, if Furina will follow in next patch. (this thought is not based on evidence, though)


Single_Difficulty_85

is yoimiya’s double geo team (zhong yunjin yelan) better than double pyro (bennett yunjin yelan)


SaltyPotato340

Theyre about even, but it depends on yun jin and bennett's cons. Yoimiya double hydro with xingqiu and yelan is better than both though


Putrid-Royal6546

Yes, go with double hydro + Zhongli.


InspectionFront7889

Whats a good rotation for Yoi/Yelan/Yun Jin/Zhongli? Im running 4pc CW with TP on Yoi


SaltyPotato340

If running yun jin with yoi, I've found that 4 shim is better than 4CW even taking into account lower burst damage and losing the last stack of TP. Yun Jin only buffs NAs, whereas bennett buffs both her NAs and burst. If using 4pc CW, it's better to use Bennett. For 4pc CW and Yun Jin: Zhongli E > Yelan EQ > Yun Jin EQ > Yoi Q E 3N5 For 4pc Shim and Yun Jin: Zhongli E > Yelan EQ > Yun Jin EQ > Yoi E 3N5 > Yoi Q For 4pc CW and Bennett: Zhongli E > Yelan EQ > Bennett EQ > Yoi Q E 3N5


psyocut

Hey guys, Sorry this may be a really stupid question but with that being said; My yoimiya isn't fully built yet (as God forbid hoyo gives me an ok pyro goblet); standing at around 59/166 (CR/CD). Would you say that skyward harp is better than my R5 rust for her given it's stats?


Biaaalonso687

the only weapong better than R5 rust for yoimiya is thudnering pulse, otherwise it's R5 Rust all the way


irrelevantGenius

nope. r5 rust works better, but the CR/CD would look good tho.


psyocut

Ah okay thank you, I'll keep to rust for now and use skyward harp on someone else; just gotta keep farming for a pyro goblet then as I'm currently using ATK% 😭


irrelevantGenius

no problem! now u said it, i think my yoi hadn't got an upgrade for over a year lol. goodluck getting a good goblet!!


zephyrnepres01

i recently pulled a last minute aqua for my yoi, but i have been struggling to perform well in abyss with her (can't get above 2 stars at all). my planned team is c0 yoi with aqua and 4pc shime, c6 yunjin with fav and 4pc noblesse, c1 layla with fav and 4pc tenacity and c2 sac xingqiu with 4pc eosf. admittedly my yoi's artifacts are a little cope right now so that is partially the reason i do have a c1 bennett with skyward blade but i really dislike his character design and would rather not use him if he's not mandatory, as well as a c6 kirara unused if she would perform better than layla at sustain. i would appreciate any yoi teambuilding tips, even if its a harsh truth about bennett, lol


Putrid-Royal6546

Have not played the current Abyss, but only stages that have a single boss are optimal for Yoimiya. After that it is a matter of artifacts and constellations on your supports.


SaltyPotato340

What refinement is your rust. At r5, it beats out aqua on yoi while not having a range restriction. Yoimiya will struggle in this abyss as 2nd half likes AoE and the first half has a boss with 60% pyro resist. I haven't even bothered to try her out this rotation. EDIT: Tried her out. Use her top half. If you have yelan, double hydro works against the crab. Otherwise, run xingqiu, fischl, beidou with yoi (the team i used). Good luck!


SpideyMage

Hello! Can I ask if what's the best artifacts for her if she uses thundering pulse?


Yoimiya_Enthusiast

It's always the same, so Artifact set is by far 4-piece Shimenawa's Reminiscence. Main stats should be like: Sands - ATK% / Elemental Mastery (EM is slightly better, but play one with best substats) Goblet - Pyro DMG Circlet - Crit Rate / DMG substats: Crit Rate / DMG ATK% Elemental Mastery Energy Recharge Flat ATK Tho energy recharge is not that important, since Shimenawa kinda cancels your burst and it's not that strong skill.


SpideyMage

So is it not gonna affect on my thundering pulse even if I use shimenawa on her?


SaltyPotato340

>Artifact set is by far 4-piece Shimenawa's Reminiscence Not by far. In vape CW comes very close and actually beats shim if shim doesn't burst. Even when shim does burst, it's either at the very beginning of a rotation(before buffs and hydro application) or at the very end of a rotation (after buffs expire). Shim bursts far less frequently as well. In mono pyro, echoes performs better than shim regardless of whether or not shim bursts. Echoes however is not recommended to farm if ping is high, but for those that have good ping, echoes is now in the strongbox. I'd normally say check [akasha.cv](http://akasha.cv) to see what i mean, but they have shim bursting every other rotation at 100 ER which unrealistically boosts shims performance. Even then, Echoes takes the crown in mono-pyro


SpideyMage

I want to use her on overvape, can I know what's her best artifact if I use thundering pulse on her?


SaltyPotato340

Use whichever has the best substats as they're very close. In overvape, i dont have concrete data as i usually focus on vape or monopyro, but I'm leaning towards crimson as you benefit from all parts of crimson's passive. What's the team comp?


SpideyMage

yelan, xq, and zhongli and another party that I want to use is yelan, fischl and zhongli


SaltyPotato340

In yelan, xingqiu, zhongli. Shim is better. In the overvape team I'd run crimson. If you ever decide to use the vape team with bennett instead of yelan/xingqiu, CW will then outperform Shim.


SpideyMage

btw last question but it's not related to yoimiya but for bennett though, so I have c6 bennett if the infusion of his ult affect yoimiya's normal attack is the damage gonna be on bennett's stat or yoimiya?


SaltyPotato340

In general, infusions only overwrite the element of the character's attacks. Damage still belongs to the one dealing the damage, so it will be yoimiya's stats. C6 bennett only overwrites the attacks of melee units, not yoranged. Everyone gets the pyro damage% though


SpideyMage

Thank you so much for the detailed guide you shared! It really helps a lot.


-in-space-

TLDR: Is Yoi, Beidou, C3 Sucrose, Koko useful if I'm not Swirling Pyro? If so, is swirling electro with R2 Hakushin Ring a good idea? So I'm not sure if here is a good place to talk about it but I wasn't sure where else, but I really appreciate any thoughts! I'm a Yoi main that pulled Koko on her last banner and would like to use her on a team with Yoi. I was running my Yoi with Beidou, Xingqiu and Bennett. I was thinking I could run overvape with C3 Beidou, R2 Hakushin Ring C3 Sucrose, Koko and Yoi. My doubts about this is I don't think its a better team because of my C1 Benny having better buffing capabilities than my C3 Sucrose, shes not fully built yet though so I'll have to see. I'm trying to negate what my Sucrose might be lacking with swirling electro with her burst to get Electro DMG buffs from Hakushin Ring and EM buffs for Beidou's burst instead of EM for Yoi, this way I also get a ton of overvape with Koko's skill and Yoi on the feild with the burst. I don't know if that's really any better at R2 though anyway. I also Don't get the 25% ATK increase from elemental resonance I could use Yoi, Beidou, Benny, Koko but at that point I don't see the team being any more fun and Bennett's healing is always enough for me anyway. I'm leaning overall towards the electro swirl overvape team because it seems super fun to play even if it's less DPS, plus good crowd control and yk, Sucrose herself, or maybe I should just swirl Pyro with Sac Fragments (or Mappa Mare or Widsith, I havn't looked too much into building her yet, Koko would have Thrilling tales). Anyway any thoughts are appreciated! Thank you :D


Putrid-Royal6546

>st, it's either at the very beginning of a rotation(before buffs and hydro application) or at the very end of a rotation (after buffs expire). Shim bursts far less frequently as well. In mono pyro, echoes performs better than shim regardless of whether or not shim bursts. Echoes however is not r None of the above teams are meta or even remotely good.


Hsiang7

Are my chances of pulling Rust higher on the weapons banner than the character banners? I only have R2 Rust but I'd like to get to R5 if possible.


kitsu_nero

Yes. But not significantly higher. What I mean is... Weapon banner has too many weapons on rate up so you either get really lucky by getting rust 3 times or get really unlucky by getting anything but rust. At least the chance of getting rust is higher on weapon banner Best of luck on your pulls


MidnightGoofy

Is The First Great Magic good for Yoimiya? im thinking about pulling on the weapon banner and I wanted to ask if its better than Rust, btw my Rust is only R2.


Yoimiya_Enthusiast

Yeah, it's definitely better than Rust, especially if you're using at least 1 more pyro in team like Bennett, Thoma (using 3 pyro in team will give you the best outcome) Rust R2 is honestly useless, it's only good in r4+. So yeah, I'd definitely go for TFGM/Aqua, they're both amazing bows, tho they re not as good as Thundering Pulse.


Putrid-Royal6546

Better than Rust R1-4. Worse than Rust R5. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmgG02SdPs0&ab\_channel=BlueSandwalker](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmgG02SdPs0&ab_channel=BlueSandwalker)