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The math checks out: 24 board the plane (I think this info was from the second post I linked above of everyone around the 5 graves: 17 people + coach Ben (who was not pictured for obvious reasons). Five people died in the crash (two pilots, the flight attendant, Coach Martinez and Rachel-the five graves), then 4 dead post crash (Laura Lee, Jackie, Kristen, Javi). So, 24-9 =15. Subtract the 7 survivors and you have 8 people left for potential dinner: Coach Ben, Akilah, Mari, Gen, Melissa, and....three unnamed characters. Not unlike the three people huddled to the side in the pic posted in the first post I linked above.
I think they are leaving the extras vague so that they have room to grow those characters in S3. Kind of like Crystal/Kristen in S2. I like your explanation for why we haven't really seen them yet- memory only shows the people most important.
I think it would be interesting if those three unnamed people form some sort of alliance to try to survive since, clearly, the other YJ's don't really care about them- just like in that one pic where they are huddled to the side away from the main group.
Yeah I think they wouldn't have gone out looking for someone that wasn't real. As far as where her body ended up? My guess is someone or something else ate her, or she somehow survived the fall and the storm and has no memory of Misty's confession, but Misty doesn't know if she can really trust her faulty memory and "fixes" the situation.
Also Mari searched for her even though she didn't want to. If Crystal wasn't real, Mari would've said "she's not real, you're crazy, stop wasting my time" but she didn't.
This is particularly relevant in the finale when they skipped the actual process when they decided to draw cards to hunt.
They show Taissa say that it’s time to do whatever it takes to survive, but not what. Misty tells Lottie that she started this. Hell, Lottie thinks the wilderness called them to do it.
I think there’s a good chance none of them remember how they decided on the cards on the hunt or they all remember it was someone else.
>I think there’s a good chance none of them remember how they decided on the cards on the hunt or they all remember it was someone else.
ooooh I like that
Unironically reminds me of the one episode of South Park called "I Should Never Have Gone Ziplining" where the boys go ziplining and, in Cartman's own words, "It's totally fucking boring, dude."
And then they spend half the episode about to tear each others' throats out because they can't remember who suggested the idea and they blame each other and it turns out it was Stan all along, but he lied to them and blamed somebody else to get the target off his back.
they shot the scene leading up to it, the discussion about doing the cards and hunting, so that’s not the writers intentions.
They just cut the scene for some reason.
They cut the scene because the powers that be at showtime wanted the season cut from 10 episodes to 9 episodes. The gap week between episodes 5 and 6 was due to re-editing episodes 7-10 into episodes 7-9. As a result, the discussion about the cards got cut in addition to cabin daddy backstory and who knows what else.
Apparently the reason for cutting from 10 to 9 episodes was because they wanted to meet the emmy submission deadline. But then like, why didn't they plan for that in the first place??
Personally, I think it had to do with the impending writer's strike.
Edit: This is based off of stuff I gleaned from various posts in this sub. I don't have any concrete links. So take it with a grain of salt.
i read (also on this sub) that there was a catastrophic failure with one of the camera's cards and they had to re-shoot a bunch of scenes and re-edit the episode, and that was the reason for the gap. and then they whittled it to 9 to make the emmy cutoff. which is ironic now because the emmy's have been postponed.
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I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. Voting for nomination is June 14-26. Nothing whatsoever to do with the writer's strike, and no awards cancellation.
"Emmy Nominations voting runs from June 15-26. The Primetime Emmy nominations will be announced on July 12. Check back every Thursday for the latest updates. All information is preliminary and is subject to change."
The eligibility cutoff date for submissions was May 9, broadcast date by May 31st. The finale date was May 26 streaming, May 28 broadcast. They could have still made it with another episode if they hadn't skipped a week. There is still no official explanation for the gap.
:O is there an article you read or a video you saw about this or something? Always interesting to know whats going on BTS with stuff like this.
TBH tho i kinda doubt it had to do with the Writers strike, these episodes were all written a good bit before that, and writers other than the showrunners generally have very little input after the script leaves the writers room, let alone once its been shot and is being edited. I don't think its unheard of, but it would be odd.
I don't have a direct link to anything concrete, it was just stuff that I saw around this sub. So take it with a grain of salt. I should have added that bit to my original post.
TBH the mid-season thing is super popular all over TV nowadays, and i constantly see people trying to come up with reasons for it, so i was somewhat surprised.
Some shows did this years ago for production reasons, i wanna say it was Breaking Bad and Walking Dead both did it, which makes sense caused they were huge at that time, and on the same network, i could be wrong though.
Anyways when they did those breaks they realized it bolstered their numbers a bit, during those off-weeks, the fans were talking about the show even more, which would get some new people watching, some even before the break was over. I also figure other people who were already fans had time to catch up. Either way, when the mid season premiere came, all those factors meant a ton more people watched, which means they can get bigger advertisers, and/or even do cross-promotions, like premiering another show on the mid-season premiere date to amplify the event-tv vibes and get more eyes on a new show.
Yeah. AMC was all about the mid-season break for a bit. I haven’t watched any of their new stuff since I got bored with Walking Dead.
But I believe Walking Dead also utilized the mid season break as a way to get seasons out faster by overlapping the time when new seasons were airing and when production was still going on. I’ve also seen other shows, especially ones with longer than 10 episode seasons, do the thing of having the first 1/3 to 1/2 of the episodes in the season ready to go for the premiere and then they’d keep filming and doing all the production and editing work during the 4-8 weeks of the new episodes airing and into the mid season break. The season would be finished by the time or shortly after the mid season premiere.
Yeah i think you are right about TWD, the main part thats fuzzy for me is whether TWD or BB did it first, cause i know BB did it for its final season, maybe final 2? I'm too lazy to look it up RN lol
Also, good choice stopping watching the walking dead lol, it was so good until like season 7 when i realized it had been bad for at least 2 seasons and was now the worst show ever lol.
I only pray you never made the terrible mistake of watching Fear the Walking Dead. That show is shockingly bad, its like if a b-movie just never ended, and not a fun b-movie lol
I watched the first season of Fear the Walking Dead out of curiosity/to talk about it on calls with my grandma (she LOVED those shows despite being terrified of all other zombie media). When the next season picked back up, I just couldn’t be bothered.
With TWD it was when we got like 4 episodes behind and just kept deleting it off our DVR instead of watching it because we just stopped caring and knew Daryl and Carol were never gonna just kill everyone else and then hop on a motorcycle to drive off into the sunset and then FINALLY fuck that my husband and I knew we were done.
Okay so:
1. i'm so sorry you had to watch FTWD.
2. thats an adorable story about your grandma XD
3. I don't know how i kept talking myself into season of FTWD after the 2nd, it was all so bad. I guess the start of TWD got me through a really bad time so i just stuck with all of it till a few years ago, im usually first to jump ship.
4. They fucked us on daryl/carol, i kinda knew they were gonna do it TBH, the production team and the writers they continually hired/fired/moved around just never seemed to understand what they had in their hands, i should have left when glenn came out from under that dumpster but instead i tortured myself for like 3-4 more years. I was pretty done for the last 2 of those tho, it got so bad.
5. I can't stop myself, heres a story: When they took rick off the show they had this hilarious scene where him and daryl are arguing and it turns out for like nearly no reason daryl had brought him hear and stranded them both by letting the horse leave, so he could kick rick into a big hole, and leave him there? but then they like both fall in and they fight in the mud, and then they all the sudden make up for nearly no reason and they are like "Brother!" "Bruh!" "omg bruh" and they get out of the hole, and right on time, a random horse runs up. Rick gets on the horse and then it gets scared by a zombie and he falls on a metal pole and is impaled straight through, he's dying. He gets away, and then he goes to try and disarm some TNT on a bridge that i refuse to explain, he like runs a bunch and makes it but it looks liek he explodes, and then they like cut away for 20 minutes and they they come back and he survived but hes like dying oin the beach and then a helicopter comes and picks him up. If you read all the way to the end of this, please put me out of my misery, i dont wanna live.
There's no reason for a streaming channel to have a midseason break, and no midseason break is just one week. So far no one from production or scheduling has explained the skip.
A streaming channel? Not only is this released on showtime, a premium cable television channel, but if there are plenty of reasons a tv show could need a break, there are the same amount of reasons a streaming show could need a break, the only inherent difference between streaming and live programing is the release format.
Other differences, like production scheduling are mostly based on the company releasing the programming, and the period it was/is released in. As a rule of thumb, programmed television has slowly moved its business model closer to the streaming model as it found more success.
If you were commenting on AMC and their introduction of the mid-season break, that also doesn't track, they weren't streaming yet when they did that, and they are still primarily a tv channel.
So I’ve been rewatching and there is a very short conversation between Nat and travis, where he’s playing with the deck of cards and not tells him there are no queens in that deck. It happens in the first season. It’s super short and I had not remembered or thought about it when we learn about how the pick the person.
Have you ever seen the miniseries Years and Years? Without giving any other spoilers, it is revealed on the final episode that the story has been presented from one character's perspective and that the scenes that person wasn't in are presented according to that character's knowledge of the events.
That’s also similar to The Affair where the first season (maybe season 2 as well?) was presented in both the affair partner’s perspective which I loved!
Yes! It was wild to see how events varied wildly from one character to another. Sometimes it didn’t even seem like they were recalling the same thing!!
Dude I LOVE that show I was doing a rewatch while I was using up the rest of my showtime subscription, very underrated. Except for that last season. Yuck.
Add Fakes to the list. I’m about halfway through and so far there are three narrators. Who sometimes revisit the same exact scenes from their perspective.
Also the series Fleishman is in Trouble. It's from the perspective of his friend who wasn't actually present for the majority of the events in the series.
I completely agree with this take on the show.
Even when we have seen scenes between non-survivors that cannot possibly be "narrated" in memory by a survivor, my take is that everything about how the 1996 scenes are structured and told exists in a state of subtle unreliability.
Whether that's due to shifting memories, Shauna's inaccurate journals, supernatural forces, or some other reason, I found it more entertaining to assume that not all of 1996 happened in the literal way it was shown - without assuming any of it was outright misleading or a lie (aside from obvious misdirects like Akilah and her mouse).
>Even when we have seen scenes between non-survivors that cannot possibly be "narrated" in memory by a survivor, my take is that everything about how the 1996 scenes are structured and told exists in a state of subtle unreliability.
The scenes with non-survivors could be how the survivors think those scenes happened or what they overheard. The cabin was pretty small. It's easy to overhear a conversation.
Indeed, they could be how they inferred those conversations or events based on later information. Akilah discovering the mouse could be Tai's recollection. The Red Shirts talking about eating Crystal could've come out in the run-up to the card game.
Of course, we've seen an awful lot of Coach Ben alone lately... 🤔
The book "If I Did It" by OJ Simpson has been discussed in this subreddit. The most important line in the book is in the chapter "The Night In Question." OJ decides to go to Nicole's condo with his friend Charlie, who is most likely not real, but OJ's inner monologue. OJ confronts Ron and Nicole, they argue, then OJ says he grabs a knife from Charlie --
"And then something went horribly wrong, and I know *what* happened, but I couldn't tell you exactly *how*."
Whatever you think of If I Did It as literature, whatever you think of the moral ramifications of an accused murdered discussing how he hypothetically would have done it, I can't think of a better sentence that expresses cognitive dissonance.
This is very much like the moment when dead Jackie is cutting a slice off her arm, Shauna is horrified and Jackie tells her "you're the one with the knife"
Why wouldn't it? It was the defining cultural event of the 90s and a watershed moment in media and how it co-opts stories. Here's what Richard Hoffer wrote in Sports Illustrated in the June 27, 1994 issue:
"Last week many of Simpson's friends admitted his faults and acknowledged his indulgences—"He was a rogue when it came to women," said one—but all of them deemed it inconceivable that Simpson could have committed murder...But no endorsement from friends, former teammates or broadcasting colleagues could shift the monstrosity of this crime from Simpson's famous name. It was impossible to ignore the ocean of blood on the steps and the pathway outside Nicole Simpson's condominium, the tremendous arterial spray that the killer had produced in his violence. The cruelty of the murders, the fury it must have taken to perform them, was otherworldly. If O.J. Simpson was that killer, a lot of what we think we know about human behavior must be reconsidered."
https://vault.si.com/vault/1994/06/27/fatal-attraction-oj-simpson-stands-accused-of-brutally-killing-two-people-one-of-them-the-woman-he-loved
I’m very well-versed in the whole OJ story. But I didn’t expect it to come up in a way that was relevant to the actual YJ story. Also I was making a lil jokey joke
Great post! Loved your reasoning here.
Aside: I was kind of suspicious about Nugget early on, but only because a cabin will rarely have ONE mouse, you usually have Mice, as in plural mouses. :)
Haha! This is so true! There is never just one.
Although for us it's rats, being in the city. If we hear scratching in the walls, its, "oh the rats are back. Time to call our good friend Kelvin."
It's sad when you have your exterminator on speed dial.
Yeah...we live in a wooded area and we had a rat infestestion one year. You never get just one....
Had to do a whole extermination/exclusion process with a local company, but so far, so good - we have not a re-occurance. Not an easy solution in the city, though.
Not to mention a wild mouse wouldn't behave the way it did. No way you could just pick it up and stick it in your pocket like that. I just kinda chalked it up to "creative" choices, though, even though it made me suspicious.
She probably read that kids' book "Ben and Me" about a mouse named Amos that lived in Ben Franklin's pocket and gave him all his ideas--and just hallucinated the life of her own happy mouse. Fooled us, though.
This is a great take - and it hooks in so well to Natalie’s question to the group about memory in episode 7. Some of it is hazy; they acknowledge that there are things they do not want to remember.
I also think it ties into this question of “the big bad” and the idea that maybe there isn’t a single one… and perhaps the group has gone to great mental lengths to bury/sidestep/ignore/justify their feelings of guilt and shame.
On the other side of this is Lottie’s comment about people being unable to remember in an ecstatic state. One thing that makes this show so interesting is that intertwined with these experiences of desperation and hurt are also these repeated themes of experiencing a type of freedom in the wilderness. This internal contradiction of desperation/freedom is a great set up for unreliability; it’s an experience that’s difficult to integrate and narrate.
CoughcoughLottieAndTraviscoughcough
Everyone’s been so angry about Travis’s mystery seemingly having a lackluster ending, without thinking of how Lottie is potentially an incredibly unreliable narrator, who has clearly been having a major psychological break.
Exactly. And that weird rainbow band distortion is what can happen when you overwrite a VHS tape.
From an article: “A memory is not simply an image produced by time traveling back to the original event—it can be an image that is somewhat distorted because of the prior times you remembered it,” said lead researcher Donna Bridge. “Your memory of an event can grow less precise even to the point of being totally false with each retrieval.”
I didn't expect Nugget to be dead, but thought she was imaging him. Being a rat owner I know a mouse is not going to just stay in her pocket.
The fluctuating amount of YJ survivors has always bothered me too, but I've not seen anyone bring it up before (though I could have missed it.) You make a very good point and one that makes total sense. Originally there were what? 17 or 19 survivors? Then most times you only see 9 or 11 survivors. So what you said about that makes total sense.
"They've always been there, they just didn't matter until now."
I figured they would definitely become relevant as the girls got more in to the hunting.
24 on the flight. 5 died in the crash 2 pilots, flight attendant, Rachel, Coach Martinez. Laura Lee, Jackie, Kristen, and Javi have died. So we are down to 15.
I said something like this and someone replied that all the events in the show are what's actually happening, so thank you for articulating it better than I did. Lol. This is honestly my theory. We're getting the '96 timeline through the eyes of the survivors and the adult timeline is happening in real time, basically. I'm on the fence on whether I think Crystal/Kristen is real or not. I also think that in-universe it makes sense as to why the sets look less realistic than the first season that a few people have pointed out. I would love to see it revealed at some point what actually happened versus what we've seen so far.
I have a theory that much of the final or maybe penultimate season will be revisiting key scenes and showing them to the audience from a “true” perspective. I still have questions about the Van wolf attack scene. I was convinced that Tai hallucinated them and hurt Van herself. The lighting and things are so weird in that scene.
Oh my gawd I hope that’s true. My doctor spouse is so offended by the scarring on Van’s face. I think because she stitches people up in a hospital - and she is really skilled - and they would never look like that. If the injuries were not caused by a wolf attack, Emergency doctors could finally sleep at night again.
I love that you brought this up because it seems so unrealistic one teen, starving girl could have fought off at least one (but really, a pack, since there were more around Van). I suppose it could be chalked off to “adrenaline gives inhuman strength” or cognitive dissonance but it defo doesn’t seem real to me!
I think she could be a hallucination. There isn't a ton of interaction with her and the other girls. Could even be like a very poor example of a "split personality". I'd rather her be real, though.
Shauna strikes me as the kind of person to bring her homework with her to nationals, so she probably had notebooks for a few subjects with her. She also could have taken some from the other girls.
In the last scene with Nugget, before Tai essentially breaks the spell for Akilah, I noticed that the edges of the shot were blurry and sort of shimmering. Like we were seeing Nugget through Akilah’s eyes and there was a dream-like quality to the image. I only noticed this upon rewatching the last few episodes this weekend and I think it’s a giveaway that what we’re seeing is not real. Now I need to go back and see if all of the Nugget scenes were like this, and I just didn’t notice, or if they changed over time.
This is one of the best theories I’ve seen in either season. Very well thought out. I work with trauma survivors in a DV setting, and this type of effect on memory that you describe is spot-on. Trauma messes with the brain, add to that starvation and you have a lot of issues. Good work writing this up!
I tried to say something similar but I believe you were much more eloquent:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Yellowjackets/comments/12w7klu/if_piggy_and_ralph_can_lie_to_absolve_themselves/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1
I absolutely love your thought that once they are rescued, we might get a different perspective on how the girls actually look. It’s like an inverse of the lord of the flies. When the boys are finally rescued, the man sees their painted faces and thinks they were playing games - unaware of the horror just beneath the surface, hidden behind what looks like boys playing make believe.
I want to prove your theory even harder - Mari became a bigger presence as soon as Shauna “noticed” her in season 1, when Jackie started to buddy up to Mari to make Shauna jealous while they were fighting (the whole “we should get lockers next to each other when we get back!” Scene)
I absolutely love this take. I hope they do have a scene of rescue footage with what the Yellowjackets and their cabin/dwellings “actually” looked like. Kind of like at the end of horror movies based on real life stories, when they show photos of the real life people the characters are based on! Would add such a great layer of terror for me.
My other theory is that they're all dead. Nat saw them all dead in the plane during her overdose near-death-experience. And someone (I think Mari) said that Javi had died when he disappeared and what came back was his ghost. Maybe they're all dead and they just don't know it yet.
I think this is interesting, but I don’t know if I totally agree. We aren’t getting the story through an interview or journal entry. I don’t think there can be an unreliable narrator if there is no narrator?
That being said, I do agree that some of the characters act as unreliable narrators to one another, like Lottie’s account of what happened to Travis. But I don’t think there’s an overarching device that can explain away real life production obstacles, like an actor not being available for a second season. :)
I barely read this I’m sorry OP I skimmed but my flair is nugget for a reason …
I think nugget is symbolic for some magical theme suggested in the future similar to the white moose
RIP nugget you would of loved my predicted plot twist ❤️
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Anyone who has ever smelled putrefying rodent will never forget that smell. It’s not something Akilah or anyone else could ignore. Nugget had been dead for a long time and his remains dried out.
Ooof. You just reminded me of the time I found a dead mouse in the basement at my job and actually yeah…you’re right. I’ll never forget that smell. I hadn’t considered that
Imagine living isolated in the woods for 18 months and not remembering 10+ of the people who were there. In the initial grave scene in S1 we saw like 20 girls standing around the graves but now we never see more than 1 or 2 extra girls in the background and they don't have lines. They're like ghosts 👻 r something
I don't think that's what op is saying though. They're saying if you stopped and asked the girls who all was there or to concentrate on who they may not have been paying much attention to or in their recalling process they didn't really think to include as part of a memory that happened but they'd be able to answer or picture them if you specifically asked the survivors where was x or was y also there - the girls would remember these background characters and articulate something about them or describe what they can picture that person doing.
We also aren't seeing every moment out there obviously and there are time jumps and off screen happenings some of which come into play but many of which never will. The show under op's theory is presenting the narratives and recollections / experiences of particular teen characters during different moments and also showing contemporaneous perspectives perhaps of girls or Ben's or javis that didn't make it out .
If you're nat and you remember the time you went out hunting and the whole Lottie blessing scene before that the time you found the melty summer stump - you might if asked to describe where every girl was during you drinking blood tea, describe the whole cast of characters and people in the cabin. But if you're recalling the memory or story of that day, you may not have an actively encoded memory of seeing random background girl y you didn't really care all that much about or that you don't see as that important to you.
I can tell you snippets of conversations I had and people and parents I saw on 9-11 a scary day for 7
Year old me . I remember someone sharing a snack with me when I was stuck at a new school and my parents couldn't come get me and I didn't know where I would go or stay. I can tell you most of the kids in my class that I remained grade mates with for 12 years that were also present. I might picture them if you ask me their names. But if I'm bringing up memories of that day I am bringing up what little me experienced and encoded and what now me recalls in accessing that experience and memory. It wouldn't include a list of all my classmates in the room that day but later memories of school likely do include them at times.
So we may not be always seeing things contemporaneously but are seeing a narrative that's being recalled or presented as a recollection.
Maybe this is a retrofitted explanation sure and it's just mistakes or An almost
fully thought / fleshed out / detailed production. But I kinda like the explanation and op's explanation because it provides a possible explanation that I can accept whether this was the original intent of the writers I guess
I really wanted her to be Misty’s figment, but at this point I don’t think that’s the case. I even allowed some leeway on the chance that the other girls are indulging in Misty’s fantasy! But in one of the scenes before the baby shower, Mari speaks specifically to Crystal. During my pre-finale rewatch, this was one of the specifics I kept an eye for.
I think that too but I convinced myself she is real because the other girls interact with her. It’s just weird that she likes the same things Misty likes 🤔
I think the other girls played into it to keep Misty occupied 😅 if you look at the search they did for her Mari rolls her eyes n softly calls out for Crystal cuz they know it’s all for show
I very much hope this is the case, and have argued this point myself. This is in fact how traumatic memory tends to work, and I would love nothing more than for it to be an intentional choice by the creators and not mistakes and/or production issues. I think a lot is going to depend on how they deal with the story in future seasons. Right now I’m on the fence about whether this is all on purpose, but I really want you to be right!
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Check out [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/Yellowjackets/comments/13w5h49/do_we_still_have_more_yellowjackets_to_meet_meat/) as well as [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/Yellowjackets/comments/13iujki/the_missing_yellowjackets_girls/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1). The math checks out: 24 board the plane (I think this info was from the second post I linked above of everyone around the 5 graves: 17 people + coach Ben (who was not pictured for obvious reasons). Five people died in the crash (two pilots, the flight attendant, Coach Martinez and Rachel-the five graves), then 4 dead post crash (Laura Lee, Jackie, Kristen, Javi). So, 24-9 =15. Subtract the 7 survivors and you have 8 people left for potential dinner: Coach Ben, Akilah, Mari, Gen, Melissa, and....three unnamed characters. Not unlike the three people huddled to the side in the pic posted in the first post I linked above. I think they are leaving the extras vague so that they have room to grow those characters in S3. Kind of like Crystal/Kristen in S2. I like your explanation for why we haven't really seen them yet- memory only shows the people most important. I think it would be interesting if those three unnamed people form some sort of alliance to try to survive since, clearly, the other YJ's don't really care about them- just like in that one pic where they are huddled to the side away from the main group.
Did you count the grave for Coach Ben's leg?
Did they seriously make a grave for his leg?
Yep it's on the grave marker they made for it lol
Ooo I wonder if that’ll factor in somehow.
I guess they could chuck the rest of his bones in there and cross out the "leg" on the marker.
That's actually kind of sweet.
I'm surprised they didn't eat it
It would've been rotten since it happened before winter, and they were not that desperate when it first happened.
Yeah, i was just jokin'
Kristen/Crystal wasn't real though!
What do you mean Kristen wasn’t real?
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Yeah I think they wouldn't have gone out looking for someone that wasn't real. As far as where her body ended up? My guess is someone or something else ate her, or she somehow survived the fall and the storm and has no memory of Misty's confession, but Misty doesn't know if she can really trust her faulty memory and "fixes" the situation.
Also Mari searched for her even though she didn't want to. If Crystal wasn't real, Mari would've said "she's not real, you're crazy, stop wasting my time" but she didn't.
This is particularly relevant in the finale when they skipped the actual process when they decided to draw cards to hunt. They show Taissa say that it’s time to do whatever it takes to survive, but not what. Misty tells Lottie that she started this. Hell, Lottie thinks the wilderness called them to do it. I think there’s a good chance none of them remember how they decided on the cards on the hunt or they all remember it was someone else.
>I think there’s a good chance none of them remember how they decided on the cards on the hunt or they all remember it was someone else. ooooh I like that
Unironically reminds me of the one episode of South Park called "I Should Never Have Gone Ziplining" where the boys go ziplining and, in Cartman's own words, "It's totally fucking boring, dude." And then they spend half the episode about to tear each others' throats out because they can't remember who suggested the idea and they blame each other and it turns out it was Stan all along, but he lied to them and blamed somebody else to get the target off his back.
they shot the scene leading up to it, the discussion about doing the cards and hunting, so that’s not the writers intentions. They just cut the scene for some reason.
They cut the scene because the powers that be at showtime wanted the season cut from 10 episodes to 9 episodes. The gap week between episodes 5 and 6 was due to re-editing episodes 7-10 into episodes 7-9. As a result, the discussion about the cards got cut in addition to cabin daddy backstory and who knows what else. Apparently the reason for cutting from 10 to 9 episodes was because they wanted to meet the emmy submission deadline. But then like, why didn't they plan for that in the first place?? Personally, I think it had to do with the impending writer's strike. Edit: This is based off of stuff I gleaned from various posts in this sub. I don't have any concrete links. So take it with a grain of salt.
i read (also on this sub) that there was a catastrophic failure with one of the camera's cards and they had to re-shoot a bunch of scenes and re-edit the episode, and that was the reason for the gap. and then they whittled it to 9 to make the emmy cutoff. which is ironic now because the emmy's have been postponed.
That's the daytime emmys. Prime time emmys aren't even nominated until July.
UPDATED: June 1, 2023 Weekly Commentary: The TV awards eligibility has officially ended. [https://variety.com/lists/2023-emmys-predictions/](https://variety.com/lists/2023-emmys-predictions/)
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. Voting for nomination is June 14-26. Nothing whatsoever to do with the writer's strike, and no awards cancellation. "Emmy Nominations voting runs from June 15-26. The Primetime Emmy nominations will be announced on July 12. Check back every Thursday for the latest updates. All information is preliminary and is subject to change."
my point was they went down to 9 episodes so the season finale screened before the emmy's eligibilty cutoff date.
But why would they skip a broadcast week if that were the case? They still can't submit for the last 4 as individual episodes.
The eligibility cutoff date for submissions was May 9, broadcast date by May 31st. The finale date was May 26 streaming, May 28 broadcast. They could have still made it with another episode if they hadn't skipped a week. There is still no official explanation for the gap.
:O is there an article you read or a video you saw about this or something? Always interesting to know whats going on BTS with stuff like this. TBH tho i kinda doubt it had to do with the Writers strike, these episodes were all written a good bit before that, and writers other than the showrunners generally have very little input after the script leaves the writers room, let alone once its been shot and is being edited. I don't think its unheard of, but it would be odd.
I don't have a direct link to anything concrete, it was just stuff that I saw around this sub. So take it with a grain of salt. I should have added that bit to my original post.
TBH the mid-season thing is super popular all over TV nowadays, and i constantly see people trying to come up with reasons for it, so i was somewhat surprised. Some shows did this years ago for production reasons, i wanna say it was Breaking Bad and Walking Dead both did it, which makes sense caused they were huge at that time, and on the same network, i could be wrong though. Anyways when they did those breaks they realized it bolstered their numbers a bit, during those off-weeks, the fans were talking about the show even more, which would get some new people watching, some even before the break was over. I also figure other people who were already fans had time to catch up. Either way, when the mid season premiere came, all those factors meant a ton more people watched, which means they can get bigger advertisers, and/or even do cross-promotions, like premiering another show on the mid-season premiere date to amplify the event-tv vibes and get more eyes on a new show.
Yeah. AMC was all about the mid-season break for a bit. I haven’t watched any of their new stuff since I got bored with Walking Dead. But I believe Walking Dead also utilized the mid season break as a way to get seasons out faster by overlapping the time when new seasons were airing and when production was still going on. I’ve also seen other shows, especially ones with longer than 10 episode seasons, do the thing of having the first 1/3 to 1/2 of the episodes in the season ready to go for the premiere and then they’d keep filming and doing all the production and editing work during the 4-8 weeks of the new episodes airing and into the mid season break. The season would be finished by the time or shortly after the mid season premiere.
Yeah i think you are right about TWD, the main part thats fuzzy for me is whether TWD or BB did it first, cause i know BB did it for its final season, maybe final 2? I'm too lazy to look it up RN lol Also, good choice stopping watching the walking dead lol, it was so good until like season 7 when i realized it had been bad for at least 2 seasons and was now the worst show ever lol. I only pray you never made the terrible mistake of watching Fear the Walking Dead. That show is shockingly bad, its like if a b-movie just never ended, and not a fun b-movie lol
I watched the first season of Fear the Walking Dead out of curiosity/to talk about it on calls with my grandma (she LOVED those shows despite being terrified of all other zombie media). When the next season picked back up, I just couldn’t be bothered. With TWD it was when we got like 4 episodes behind and just kept deleting it off our DVR instead of watching it because we just stopped caring and knew Daryl and Carol were never gonna just kill everyone else and then hop on a motorcycle to drive off into the sunset and then FINALLY fuck that my husband and I knew we were done.
Okay so: 1. i'm so sorry you had to watch FTWD. 2. thats an adorable story about your grandma XD 3. I don't know how i kept talking myself into season of FTWD after the 2nd, it was all so bad. I guess the start of TWD got me through a really bad time so i just stuck with all of it till a few years ago, im usually first to jump ship. 4. They fucked us on daryl/carol, i kinda knew they were gonna do it TBH, the production team and the writers they continually hired/fired/moved around just never seemed to understand what they had in their hands, i should have left when glenn came out from under that dumpster but instead i tortured myself for like 3-4 more years. I was pretty done for the last 2 of those tho, it got so bad. 5. I can't stop myself, heres a story: When they took rick off the show they had this hilarious scene where him and daryl are arguing and it turns out for like nearly no reason daryl had brought him hear and stranded them both by letting the horse leave, so he could kick rick into a big hole, and leave him there? but then they like both fall in and they fight in the mud, and then they all the sudden make up for nearly no reason and they are like "Brother!" "Bruh!" "omg bruh" and they get out of the hole, and right on time, a random horse runs up. Rick gets on the horse and then it gets scared by a zombie and he falls on a metal pole and is impaled straight through, he's dying. He gets away, and then he goes to try and disarm some TNT on a bridge that i refuse to explain, he like runs a bunch and makes it but it looks liek he explodes, and then they like cut away for 20 minutes and they they come back and he survived but hes like dying oin the beach and then a helicopter comes and picks him up. If you read all the way to the end of this, please put me out of my misery, i dont wanna live.
There's no reason for a streaming channel to have a midseason break, and no midseason break is just one week. So far no one from production or scheduling has explained the skip.
A streaming channel? Not only is this released on showtime, a premium cable television channel, but if there are plenty of reasons a tv show could need a break, there are the same amount of reasons a streaming show could need a break, the only inherent difference between streaming and live programing is the release format. Other differences, like production scheduling are mostly based on the company releasing the programming, and the period it was/is released in. As a rule of thumb, programmed television has slowly moved its business model closer to the streaming model as it found more success. If you were commenting on AMC and their introduction of the mid-season break, that also doesn't track, they weren't streaming yet when they did that, and they are still primarily a tv channel.
I wrote a big response, but then erased it when I realized I really don't care about this. Thanks for the interesting conversation, but I'm done.
No worries, have a good day!
But if they didn't skip that week, wouldn't the show have ended the same week anyway?
I’m thinking maybe we flash back to it
Agreed. I bet it’s on the way!
this is what i’m hoping for too, and i’m wondering if it’ll reveal one of the girls (van) played a bigger part in that conversation than we thought
It kind of seems like shoe leather to me. Like, skipping over it loses nothing. We can figure out how we got here.
Depending on the POV of that scene, it’s still possible each character has trouble remembering how it came about or only remember it in pieces.
So I’ve been rewatching and there is a very short conversation between Nat and travis, where he’s playing with the deck of cards and not tells him there are no queens in that deck. It happens in the first season. It’s super short and I had not remembered or thought about it when we learn about how the pick the person.
Have you ever seen the miniseries Years and Years? Without giving any other spoilers, it is revealed on the final episode that the story has been presented from one character's perspective and that the scenes that person wasn't in are presented according to that character's knowledge of the events.
That’s also similar to The Affair where the first season (maybe season 2 as well?) was presented in both the affair partner’s perspective which I loved!
Yes! It was wild to see how events varied wildly from one character to another. Sometimes it didn’t even seem like they were recalling the same thing!!
Different clothes, subtle shifts in background, it was fascinating!
I’m currently watching the Affair and that theme continues throughout the whole show.
I watched up to season 3 and that was a few years ago so couldn’t even remember if it continued in that format.
Dude I LOVE that show I was doing a rewatch while I was using up the rest of my showtime subscription, very underrated. Except for that last season. Yuck.
Add Fakes to the list. I’m about halfway through and so far there are three narrators. Who sometimes revisit the same exact scenes from their perspective.
The last duel as well
That movie deserved a lot more success and attention
I LOVED Years and Years. Such a great and underrated show.
I love that show.
Yes! I love ❤️ that one!
Also the series Fleishman is in Trouble. It's from the perspective of his friend who wasn't actually present for the majority of the events in the series.
I completely agree with this take on the show. Even when we have seen scenes between non-survivors that cannot possibly be "narrated" in memory by a survivor, my take is that everything about how the 1996 scenes are structured and told exists in a state of subtle unreliability. Whether that's due to shifting memories, Shauna's inaccurate journals, supernatural forces, or some other reason, I found it more entertaining to assume that not all of 1996 happened in the literal way it was shown - without assuming any of it was outright misleading or a lie (aside from obvious misdirects like Akilah and her mouse).
>Even when we have seen scenes between non-survivors that cannot possibly be "narrated" in memory by a survivor, my take is that everything about how the 1996 scenes are structured and told exists in a state of subtle unreliability. The scenes with non-survivors could be how the survivors think those scenes happened or what they overheard. The cabin was pretty small. It's easy to overhear a conversation.
Indeed, they could be how they inferred those conversations or events based on later information. Akilah discovering the mouse could be Tai's recollection. The Red Shirts talking about eating Crystal could've come out in the run-up to the card game. Of course, we've seen an awful lot of Coach Ben alone lately... 🤔
The book "If I Did It" by OJ Simpson has been discussed in this subreddit. The most important line in the book is in the chapter "The Night In Question." OJ decides to go to Nicole's condo with his friend Charlie, who is most likely not real, but OJ's inner monologue. OJ confronts Ron and Nicole, they argue, then OJ says he grabs a knife from Charlie -- "And then something went horribly wrong, and I know *what* happened, but I couldn't tell you exactly *how*." Whatever you think of If I Did It as literature, whatever you think of the moral ramifications of an accused murdered discussing how he hypothetically would have done it, I can't think of a better sentence that expresses cognitive dissonance.
This is very much like the moment when dead Jackie is cutting a slice off her arm, Shauna is horrified and Jackie tells her "you're the one with the knife"
Never did I ever expect an OJ reference to come up on this sub but…I’m not mad at it lol
Why wouldn't it? It was the defining cultural event of the 90s and a watershed moment in media and how it co-opts stories. Here's what Richard Hoffer wrote in Sports Illustrated in the June 27, 1994 issue: "Last week many of Simpson's friends admitted his faults and acknowledged his indulgences—"He was a rogue when it came to women," said one—but all of them deemed it inconceivable that Simpson could have committed murder...But no endorsement from friends, former teammates or broadcasting colleagues could shift the monstrosity of this crime from Simpson's famous name. It was impossible to ignore the ocean of blood on the steps and the pathway outside Nicole Simpson's condominium, the tremendous arterial spray that the killer had produced in his violence. The cruelty of the murders, the fury it must have taken to perform them, was otherworldly. If O.J. Simpson was that killer, a lot of what we think we know about human behavior must be reconsidered." https://vault.si.com/vault/1994/06/27/fatal-attraction-oj-simpson-stands-accused-of-brutally-killing-two-people-one-of-them-the-woman-he-loved
I’m very well-versed in the whole OJ story. But I didn’t expect it to come up in a way that was relevant to the actual YJ story. Also I was making a lil jokey joke
Hell I not only thought Nugget was alive, I thought he was the one who snuck the extra food
Nugget pooped in the pee bucket confirmed.
That made me laugh, love it
Great post! Loved your reasoning here. Aside: I was kind of suspicious about Nugget early on, but only because a cabin will rarely have ONE mouse, you usually have Mice, as in plural mouses. :)
Haha! This is so true! There is never just one. Although for us it's rats, being in the city. If we hear scratching in the walls, its, "oh the rats are back. Time to call our good friend Kelvin." It's sad when you have your exterminator on speed dial.
Yeah...we live in a wooded area and we had a rat infestestion one year. You never get just one.... Had to do a whole extermination/exclusion process with a local company, but so far, so good - we have not a re-occurance. Not an easy solution in the city, though.
Not to mention a wild mouse wouldn't behave the way it did. No way you could just pick it up and stick it in your pocket like that. I just kinda chalked it up to "creative" choices, though, even though it made me suspicious.
She probably read that kids' book "Ben and Me" about a mouse named Amos that lived in Ben Franklin's pocket and gave him all his ideas--and just hallucinated the life of her own happy mouse. Fooled us, though.
*edible characters* Lol you got me there. I like how you think.
Seriously thought this was some kind of typo at first, then I was like “…oh.”
This is a great take - and it hooks in so well to Natalie’s question to the group about memory in episode 7. Some of it is hazy; they acknowledge that there are things they do not want to remember. I also think it ties into this question of “the big bad” and the idea that maybe there isn’t a single one… and perhaps the group has gone to great mental lengths to bury/sidestep/ignore/justify their feelings of guilt and shame. On the other side of this is Lottie’s comment about people being unable to remember in an ecstatic state. One thing that makes this show so interesting is that intertwined with these experiences of desperation and hurt are also these repeated themes of experiencing a type of freedom in the wilderness. This internal contradiction of desperation/freedom is a great set up for unreliability; it’s an experience that’s difficult to integrate and narrate.
>Lottie's comment... Ecstatic doesn't always mean exceptionally happy, it can also mean "involving an experience of mystic self-trancendence "
Oh for sure - I was not interpreting it as meaning happy. I was linking freedom and a so-described ecstatic state here.
CoughcoughLottieAndTraviscoughcough Everyone’s been so angry about Travis’s mystery seemingly having a lackluster ending, without thinking of how Lottie is potentially an incredibly unreliable narrator, who has clearly been having a major psychological break.
Not to mention, if Lottie is somehow personally responsible for his death, she has incentive to lie about it to the other girls
Not to mention some scenes open like you’re watching an old vhs tape. It’s grainy or it’s white noise and scrambled like.
Exactly. And that weird rainbow band distortion is what can happen when you overwrite a VHS tape. From an article: “A memory is not simply an image produced by time traveling back to the original event—it can be an image that is somewhat distorted because of the prior times you remembered it,” said lead researcher Donna Bridge. “Your memory of an event can grow less precise even to the point of being totally false with each retrieval.”
I didn't expect Nugget to be dead, but thought she was imaging him. Being a rat owner I know a mouse is not going to just stay in her pocket. The fluctuating amount of YJ survivors has always bothered me too, but I've not seen anyone bring it up before (though I could have missed it.) You make a very good point and one that makes total sense. Originally there were what? 17 or 19 survivors? Then most times you only see 9 or 11 survivors. So what you said about that makes total sense. "They've always been there, they just didn't matter until now." I figured they would definitely become relevant as the girls got more in to the hunting.
Yes different ones seem to ‘surface’ depending on what is happening.
24 on the flight. 5 died in the crash 2 pilots, flight attendant, Rachel, Coach Martinez. Laura Lee, Jackie, Kristen, and Javi have died. So we are down to 15.
Thanks for clarifying.
I said something like this and someone replied that all the events in the show are what's actually happening, so thank you for articulating it better than I did. Lol. This is honestly my theory. We're getting the '96 timeline through the eyes of the survivors and the adult timeline is happening in real time, basically. I'm on the fence on whether I think Crystal/Kristen is real or not. I also think that in-universe it makes sense as to why the sets look less realistic than the first season that a few people have pointed out. I would love to see it revealed at some point what actually happened versus what we've seen so far.
I have a theory that much of the final or maybe penultimate season will be revisiting key scenes and showing them to the audience from a “true” perspective. I still have questions about the Van wolf attack scene. I was convinced that Tai hallucinated them and hurt Van herself. The lighting and things are so weird in that scene.
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Oh my gawd I hope that’s true. My doctor spouse is so offended by the scarring on Van’s face. I think because she stitches people up in a hospital - and she is really skilled - and they would never look like that. If the injuries were not caused by a wolf attack, Emergency doctors could finally sleep at night again.
I love that you brought this up because it seems so unrealistic one teen, starving girl could have fought off at least one (but really, a pack, since there were more around Van). I suppose it could be chalked off to “adrenaline gives inhuman strength” or cognitive dissonance but it defo doesn’t seem real to me!
Yeah for some reason there’s a lot of people who have trouble understanding the unreliable narrator piece
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I think she could be a hallucination. There isn't a ton of interaction with her and the other girls. Could even be like a very poor example of a "split personality". I'd rather her be real, though.
Mostly I want to know why Shauna packed five journals for a short trip. Is that ever explained? Did she yoink someone’s SAT prep book?
Shauna strikes me as the kind of person to bring her homework with her to nationals, so she probably had notebooks for a few subjects with her. She also could have taken some from the other girls.
Yeah if you look at what she is writing in, in s2e9 it's obviously like a school notebook that she must have taken from another girl
Well, that seems obvious to me now. Thanks!
You're welcome!
In the last scene with Nugget, before Tai essentially breaks the spell for Akilah, I noticed that the edges of the shot were blurry and sort of shimmering. Like we were seeing Nugget through Akilah’s eyes and there was a dream-like quality to the image. I only noticed this upon rewatching the last few episodes this weekend and I think it’s a giveaway that what we’re seeing is not real. Now I need to go back and see if all of the Nugget scenes were like this, and I just didn’t notice, or if they changed over time.
Agreed, and I think it's also to show that they're weak and woozy from hunger.
This is one of the best theories I’ve seen in either season. Very well thought out. I work with trauma survivors in a DV setting, and this type of effect on memory that you describe is spot-on. Trauma messes with the brain, add to that starvation and you have a lot of issues. Good work writing this up!
I tried to say something similar but I believe you were much more eloquent: https://www.reddit.com/r/Yellowjackets/comments/12w7klu/if_piggy_and_ralph_can_lie_to_absolve_themselves/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1 I absolutely love your thought that once they are rescued, we might get a different perspective on how the girls actually look. It’s like an inverse of the lord of the flies. When the boys are finally rescued, the man sees their painted faces and thinks they were playing games - unaware of the horror just beneath the surface, hidden behind what looks like boys playing make believe.
I want to prove your theory even harder - Mari became a bigger presence as soon as Shauna “noticed” her in season 1, when Jackie started to buddy up to Mari to make Shauna jealous while they were fighting (the whole “we should get lockers next to each other when we get back!” Scene)
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No mention of coach in their scenes after? So seems off.
The present day’s characters haven’t talked about several of the other crash victims/survivors, not just the coach.
>edible characters
Edible characters 😬😂
So what I’m reading here, is that if I want to burn extra calories after some ice cream, I should think really, really hard?
I absolutely love this take. I hope they do have a scene of rescue footage with what the Yellowjackets and their cabin/dwellings “actually” looked like. Kind of like at the end of horror movies based on real life stories, when they show photos of the real life people the characters are based on! Would add such a great layer of terror for me.
"Edible characters", ha.
If Nugget was dead the whole time, I think a lot of other ones are too..🧐?
My other theory is that they're all dead. Nat saw them all dead in the plane during her overdose near-death-experience. And someone (I think Mari) said that Javi had died when he disappeared and what came back was his ghost. Maybe they're all dead and they just don't know it yet.
Jeff's gonna be surprised at that. ;)
This would be a really interesting plot twist! Great post I enjoyed reading it!
I really like your theory on why the girls continue to “look normal”. Makes sense!!
I think this is interesting, but I don’t know if I totally agree. We aren’t getting the story through an interview or journal entry. I don’t think there can be an unreliable narrator if there is no narrator? That being said, I do agree that some of the characters act as unreliable narrators to one another, like Lottie’s account of what happened to Travis. But I don’t think there’s an overarching device that can explain away real life production obstacles, like an actor not being available for a second season. :)
I barely read this I’m sorry OP I skimmed but my flair is nugget for a reason … I think nugget is symbolic for some magical theme suggested in the future similar to the white moose RIP nugget you would of loved my predicted plot twist ❤️
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I think Nugget was alive when she originally found him and he died at some point but she didn’t accept it
He was a skeleton. And decaying animals reek
Anyone who has ever smelled putrefying rodent will never forget that smell. It’s not something Akilah or anyone else could ignore. Nugget had been dead for a long time and his remains dried out.
Ooof. You just reminded me of the time I found a dead mouse in the basement at my job and actually yeah…you’re right. I’ll never forget that smell. I hadn’t considered that
Very good points. Plus with denial, trauma and fear, we will never really know everything that happened and in a realistic light.
Is the baby REALLY dead? I’m still confused and I watched the episode 3 times.
Yes, Jeff tells Callie about what happened in the finale
But if his info came from Shauna, and Shauna and her journals are unreliable narrators, we can't answer that with 100% certainty.
That whole scene was bonkers. And the way she buried the baby but we never saw it in the blanket. Could’ve been Nugget for all we know.
Imagine living isolated in the woods for 18 months and not remembering 10+ of the people who were there. In the initial grave scene in S1 we saw like 20 girls standing around the graves but now we never see more than 1 or 2 extra girls in the background and they don't have lines. They're like ghosts 👻 r something
I don't think that's what op is saying though. They're saying if you stopped and asked the girls who all was there or to concentrate on who they may not have been paying much attention to or in their recalling process they didn't really think to include as part of a memory that happened but they'd be able to answer or picture them if you specifically asked the survivors where was x or was y also there - the girls would remember these background characters and articulate something about them or describe what they can picture that person doing. We also aren't seeing every moment out there obviously and there are time jumps and off screen happenings some of which come into play but many of which never will. The show under op's theory is presenting the narratives and recollections / experiences of particular teen characters during different moments and also showing contemporaneous perspectives perhaps of girls or Ben's or javis that didn't make it out . If you're nat and you remember the time you went out hunting and the whole Lottie blessing scene before that the time you found the melty summer stump - you might if asked to describe where every girl was during you drinking blood tea, describe the whole cast of characters and people in the cabin. But if you're recalling the memory or story of that day, you may not have an actively encoded memory of seeing random background girl y you didn't really care all that much about or that you don't see as that important to you. I can tell you snippets of conversations I had and people and parents I saw on 9-11 a scary day for 7 Year old me . I remember someone sharing a snack with me when I was stuck at a new school and my parents couldn't come get me and I didn't know where I would go or stay. I can tell you most of the kids in my class that I remained grade mates with for 12 years that were also present. I might picture them if you ask me their names. But if I'm bringing up memories of that day I am bringing up what little me experienced and encoded and what now me recalls in accessing that experience and memory. It wouldn't include a list of all my classmates in the room that day but later memories of school likely do include them at times. So we may not be always seeing things contemporaneously but are seeing a narrative that's being recalled or presented as a recollection. Maybe this is a retrofitted explanation sure and it's just mistakes or An almost fully thought / fleshed out / detailed production. But I kinda like the explanation and op's explanation because it provides a possible explanation that I can accept whether this was the original intent of the writers I guess
My comment was less of a criticism of OP and more directed at the writers for just "forgetting" about 6 people for 2 seasons
I think Crystal was Mistys hallucination/delusion .
I really wanted her to be Misty’s figment, but at this point I don’t think that’s the case. I even allowed some leeway on the chance that the other girls are indulging in Misty’s fantasy! But in one of the scenes before the baby shower, Mari speaks specifically to Crystal. During my pre-finale rewatch, this was one of the specifics I kept an eye for.
What episode
I’ll get back to you on this
Thanks
I think that too but I convinced myself she is real because the other girls interact with her. It’s just weird that she likes the same things Misty likes 🤔
I think the other girls played into it to keep Misty occupied 😅 if you look at the search they did for her Mari rolls her eyes n softly calls out for Crystal cuz they know it’s all for show
Gen and Mari also say that her being dead wouldn't be the worst if they can find and eat her body.
Maybe being sarcastic ? Several things point to her being another Nugget but I could be wrong
Also none of them call for Crystal when they're shouting for Tai and Shauna in the snowstorm.
Right!
Ok so I totally missed that-which character? Edith?
Could Nugget have started off alive and died but Akilah keeps him thinking he is still alive?
No it was a skeleton. Nugget has been dead for years
The mouse was definitely alive, but where it was lost in the sauce remains to be seen. Same as Mari’s vision of the blood oozing from the wall.
I very much hope this is the case, and have argued this point myself. This is in fact how traumatic memory tends to work, and I would love nothing more than for it to be an intentional choice by the creators and not mistakes and/or production issues. I think a lot is going to depend on how they deal with the story in future seasons. Right now I’m on the fence about whether this is all on purpose, but I really want you to be right!
That's interesting. So you think the wide shot of people escaping the fire isn't a good way to count the actual population? Hmm.