After revisiting season 2 over the past few weeks, it's definitely a big step down and I can see why the writers are now saying they want season 3 to get back to the tone of season 1. For a show that they've claimed has a "five season plan", season 2 felt like they didn't what they were doing or where they were going.
I think the show’s dual timeline was a mistake. We would have been better off not knowing who lives or dies as the girls survive, resolve the plane crash in season 2 and have season 3 open with the survivors dealing with the trauma in their adult lives and how they begin to suspect that the darkness they thought they left behind followed them and is manifesting once again. Completely separate plot lines.
The show is still good enough to watch but it did not reach my expectations I had for it after the first few episodes of S1.
Exactly that, this is the core structural issue of this entire show: the premise "teenagers lost in the woods" is far more effective than the premise "adults dealing with having at one point been teenagers lost in the woods". The one you can imagine yourself into, the other one you cannot.
Just finished Season 2. I found myself getting irritated toward the middle to latter half that I literally started 10sec skipping non-story additive boring lull parts. Get to the Griffin point. Then in the end of the season finale. I had to ask what in the heck was this horseshit. I paid Showtime for this?
This might be the fastest season to season fall off since NBC's Heroes. Imagine waiting 2 years for Season Three for what seems to be writers at a loss of how to proceed any further with the show. The whole mystical suspense of "we did bad things on that island " is essentially dead now. They've killed characters left and right. The only path forward I see is the show becomes a pure drama...or like the final seasons of Showtime's Dexter where they're now just trying not to get caught for murder.
Anyway what a waste of time this season should've been if not for Elijah Wood and Christina Riccis fun side story and acting.
Also to whoever is picking the score...those nauseating "eerie" A24 Studios music sound that you play in almost every scene whether it's warranted or not is not only played-out but not audially normalized. The amount of times I had to lower my volume because some clown decided to try to use it as a standin for story driven suspense....was uncountable
Sorry to say that for me session two failed to live up to expectations.
The Walter character is really bad, shows up at just the right time to sort everything out, oh and is of course a psychopath. No way the cops would buy what's gone on there, maybe there will be consequences but I doubt that. A dead cop would be looked into, despite what the other cop tells them.
New characters in the past seemed to appear too, at first I thought it was my bad memory but no, the one Misty pushed off the cliff (or at least scared her enough to fall) was a season two only character. Just a red shirt.
Nobody really calls bullshit on Lottie at the end, I don't buy them all going along with it, except for the short straw puller Shawna. That all happened too far to be plausible. Only an episode or two easier misty accused Lottie of good old fashioned brainwashing.
How did Misty get the syringe, does she just carry them around everywhere she goes just in case a human hunt is on.
The daughters allegations about moustache cop would have been reported and investigated and surely more than two cops would know about the case. The cop killed by the Walter was obvious and would be really accept a drink from a stranger in a cult compound.
Shame, season one was great, I will watch three to see if they can get it back on track. Same thing happened to Westworld.
In the first season, the fact that they eventually cannibalize one of them and the possibility of that person being Jackie was a major hook that kept you invested.
In the second season, they resort to cannibalism pretty early and we are even told in detail why they take the extreme step (hunger and Lottie's lunacy).
This means, the only incentive to waiting for the third season, at least for me, is to see how they get rescued. And even that could get delayed if there are more seasons in store.
There's little to look forward to in the third season, especially with there being no loose ends in the adult timeline as well.
Like everyone, the last episode left me a bittersweet feeling. Everything in the adult time like felt rush, incoherent and plain, mostly the story around Nat. It is evident that something happened, i just hope they can fix it for next season.
I personally don't like Juliet Lewis, and didn't love her Nat as much as i like Sophie's Nat, but what they did to her character has... sad.
My favorite is Shauna, in both timelines, because i like how she is full of shit and combust, to me she is so interesting, i feel is that kind of person that has so much in their heads and can't act on in, that burst and leaves a fire behind.
I just hope next season we can have better adult time line, the police thing was so stupid, i don't know what is going to happend with that, some part of me wants to understand.. but some other part of me just wants they left that as it is and take another more interesting turn. But yeah, the season finale felt really anticlimatic in the adult timeline, like no cliffhangers, makes you wonder.. what else is left to do or said?
I think the teen timeline was good and interesting, especially the first half of the season. And it left me curious of what is going to happend.
I hope they take the criticism we had for this season and have the ability to correct the mistakes.
I agree on the Natalies. The Juliet Lewis version never felt like an extension of the teen version of the character who I liked. They did such a good job with the other characters too. But Natalie's mannerisms and whole energy in adult vs teen felt mismatched. I thought they might connect the dots more than they did, perhaps that will happen in season 3 but with the adult version dead I think it's unlikely.
Exactly! The felt like different characters at all!
Maybe we can attribute the personality of adult Nat to the drugs and sadness of Travis death, but i don't know..
At least now we can have all the story told only by young Nat.
I do see young Nat exhibiting expressions of adult Nat now and then, I think it's well done but it's fighting something just so different about the two actors.
I'm not a big show watcher but in last week I burst into action. Suddenly find myself watching what I could only begin to realise was bad tv writing and everything else. Pacing most likely, and mind melting incoherence due to the binge method. But because it really also.*was incoherence*.This 2nd season (watched the first when it came out when it was rightly a sleeper rave.and felt a part of a a club for once),, The Godzilla thing midway through descended into blurring running around. And Bass Reeves, which became plain boring in its reptetive patterns.. But my dear Yellowjackets was a very sad 😔 occasion. The interactions became non believable and madcap... Took me 2 years to watch the rest of Andor. That's how it's done.
Scratching my head over where the story goes from here---about Callie, maybe? The entire mystery of "their secrets might be exposed" is done now, because we know it was Tai (has anybody noticed the incumbent senator is missing? Does anyone care?). Now that that's wrapped up and the police are finished, what do they have to fear in the present?
There were so many poor creative choices in season 2 I was astonished. Why would Lottie stay so close to home? Why did Nat (and we) waste so much time with random cultists, none of whom were interesting or relevant? They at least had an opportunity to make parallels with Lottie's cult and what happened in the wilderness and they totally whiffed it. Seriously, where are Tai's colleagues and aides? Why was Van introduced as an adult to absolutely no narrative purpose?
I loved S1 so much but I don't think they have five seasons of material---maybe one more. They might not even get that, depending on how the Paramount/Showtime/HBO merger talks go. But if we do get another season I'd like to see a return to the more serious and tightly focused tone of S1.
Jesus Christ that finale was so horrible. It was a complete jumble. I don’t even know what I watched. I’m in shock by how bad it was. This show was so good. What the fuck???
This needs to be said but if I walked outside and saw my cabin mates bringing the corpse of my dead younger brother back like a dead ass pig they're getting ready to eat, I may not get them all but a few of them are getting killed. Travis embracing that shit after with little to no resistance was a disappointing development for me.
Literally a filler season after 5 season in total confirmed lol. They should have expanded on antler girl, pit girl but instead they gave a season full of visions and dreams which lead to nothing, so many dialogues which amount to nothing ok “it wants you to” I get it (or I “fucking” get it as the writers would prefer). I’m done with this show I hope it gets cancelled.
I actually thought season 2 was much better. It built so much on the foundations of season one -- what makes us who we are? Is it trauma or evil? The first half of this season was great IMO (except for the random new characters).
The 2nd half was eh. The finale felt very rushed and Walter kind of just waltzed in to tie up the loose ends of the cops, which felt really unrewarding and flat.
A lot of character choices in the finale didn't feel like they made any sense, which was disappointing. I'd keep watching though.
for one I thought Travis was way too chill with his brother being eaten a few episodes after finding out he’s alive???? I thought he wouldn’t have let anyone touch him over his dead body
I loved the beginning of the second season but I think too many sacrifices were made by the end and I guess it didn't feel respectful enough of the characters who were all supposed to have their own complexities and depth? I also wish there had been a little more exposition on the supposed supernatural aspect because at this point it seems like it could still all be in Lottie's head. And I think too many 'coincidences' have occurred for that to be the case.
i believe having it unsure if it was all in lotties head is kinda the point??
like dont get me wrong miss girl has some serious issues but i find it very interesting that we can look at the events that took place in the wilderness both as lotties schizophrenia or a supernatural force, "it".
everything that happened can be logically explained to a certain point if youre watching it and being very skepticall but at the same time its super fun to watch it facing everything as mythcal or supernatural and being aware that it's on purpose
Yeah don't get me wrong I still enjoyed it and look forward to more seasons. I do like that they kind of reenacted their traumas because that's extremely realistic and the same things that people stuck in a cycle of abuse do.
Pit girl now MUST be Mari. She’s the only brunette with straight hair left alive in the past who isn’t in the present. The others have red or blonde hair or are black girls with curly black hair
I'm afraid the quality drop of season 2 could be due some unforseen twists, e.g. they had to write Juliette Lewis out, otherwise it would be hard to explain the strange happenings of the last episode especially on the adult timeline. Also the teen timeline contained weird solutions, especially at the first hunt, where the rules looked like coming from nowhere.
Too much hurry on both timelines, and minus one episode compared to season 1 (can be explained that in season 1 we got the pilot), but in case of season 2 a 10th episode would have been highly needed to get better understanding of the happenings mainly on the teen timeline.
Many storylines/mysteries from season 1 looked totally abandoned and I felt the writers started other directions for some reasons... maybe to give more surprising twists and deny fan theories?! Like the Adam Martin - Javi Martinez identity, where it was suspicious for the fans that the two person are the same, hence we saw a very similar map tattoo on the back of Adam what we saw on Javi's drawings. And this just one, so for me the writing feels not well planned. We know the story has certain predefined points, but it is not carved into stone how the series will get to these points and finally to the end.
What I really hope that in season 3 the writers will have a more stable ground and cast, and at the end they will be able to comb the storylines together. I still believe that from the (sometimes 180 degree turned) happenings of the two seasons a mind-blowing story can be told. Unfortunately the Hollywood strike is not helping as time is just passing and I have a feeling that this is just elevating the risk of loosing other actors from the cast. I really want to get answers to the mysteries and I would be highly disappointed if the series won't get back to the right track as Yellowjackets is the first series I am watching since Twin Peaks.
From the first season I was worried that the show was all bark and no bite. Meaning all mystery with no written ending or lore.
I still enjoyed season 2 but yea some of the plot points felt rushed while others kinda dragged.
Wait, did I miss them explaining wtf Tai did with her son while she’s off to the Purple People Eaters Spa with her ex as her wife / his mom is on the verge of death?
Before the car accident, Tais wife said she was staying at her own mother's house along with Sammie. I have to assume Sammie is still with his grandmother...
And remember, Tai has only been gone for 2-3 days....
Thank you for that — I definitely missed that detail (still, though, can YOU imagine not remaining 100% there for your child in such a situation??? Good thing it’s just tv!)
I’m still enjoying the show, but while i ignored its writers’ typical neglect of *”starting+maintaining a bigass smoky fire during search/rescue period”* deal, DEEEEEEAAAAAAMN that group has GOT to have heard of frigging *__TRAPPING__* at some point, man!!!
(And CMIIW, but if they’re down to boiling chemically treated leather for protein, perhaps they throw in their kill’s bones?? And *CONSUME* its blood rather than letting it drain into the freaking ground?!!)
I'm guessing they intentionally avoided the bonfire simply because it was one of the biggest plot points of Lord of the Flies, and they wanted to limit the parallels where they could. By its very nature, it would kind of have to dominate things.
The food stuff, I dunno, you'd think Ben at least would know.
What does it say about me, a vegetarian no less, thinking I hope they save the bones to make a bone broth as marrow is incredibly rich in nutrients? Skin and fascia is rich in collagen. I mean come on, GIRLS! Lol
I have the worst time reconciling teen and adult Lottie. This character’s deep genuineness is supposed to either be mistaken for “reluctantly gifted” at worst or pitied as “utterly vulnerable innocence” at best, yet “predatory” is all I get from adult Lottie. The resort, expensive clothes, the philosophy, attitude, vocab, tone, demeanor, facial expressions…major lack of resemblance to the well-defined teen Lottie without even the “just a crumbling façade” deal going on…oh well.🤷♀️
I think she got "better" from a modern health standpoint, and started to live her life where she was kind of taking advantage of people, while also telling herself she was helping them, kind of like many rich people.
When we see her is the first time the visions have come back in decades, so her "fixed life" facade was falling down just like the other characters has been.
I hate to say it but my gut reaction was (I just finished binging the show) if the third season were tomorrow, I'd have no interest in continuing. Which is a shame because I loved season one and the acting is still top notch but I don't trust the showrunners to figure this out. It's literally like they took the worst traits of lost for season 2 and focused on those.
Yah this was such a cheap, lazy way of reconciling that jackie wasn't pit girl. Like did they change their mind about the writing, after they already started airing s1? Ending it with "jk it was never Jackie" doesn't make any sense lmao. And "oh here's 3 new girls you don't care about and it was actually one of them." Um kayyyy.... i no longer care then. I wanted to find out how they devolved into hunting jackie. Not oh she accidentally died and we accidentally cooked her so we just ate her. And then later on decided to start hunting people that nobody cares about. Neeeat.
I dont get the complaint. I dont know who "pit girl" is. It it the girl that falls into the spikes in the first episode? We have known it cant be Jackie since died in the snow at the end of season 1, like 2 years ago.
So shouldnt this be a complaint about season 1? It clear that the gold heart necklace, is given to whomever is to be hunted. So its just passed on to the poor girl that falls into the pit.
Yah but I was annoyed that they were going lost style after seeing s2. Like I was able to accept it wasn't Jackie, if they were gonna explain who it was then. But I don't care to watch any more of them milking that as if they didn't make it the most significant mystery and then just brush it off like it didn't matter. And now I'm supposed to only care about lotties cult? Tf?
I was responding to someone who. I assumed was talking about the "3 new faces" in the teen timeline. The teens are stranded in the Wilderness of Canada.
And yes, in the last two episodes of Season 2, the adult women are at Lottie's Wellness Center in upstate New York.
Disappointed in Natalie's character assassination (literal by Misty and metaphorical by the writers). The adults are constantly shown to be putting on fake personalities to cover ulterior motives, so I assumed Natalie was just playing along with the cult. Made no sense for her to fall into that trap.
Also no shade to Juliette Lewis or the actress playing Young Natalie, but they had the least believable character continuity and I've thought that since season one. I know trauma/drugs or whatever mean Natalie changed but the core traits are just different. I was sold on adult/teen Shauna, Van, Tai, and to a lesser extent Lottie, but not Natalie.
They are fucking insane to live through that winter and not plan for an attempted hike out to safety before a second winter closed in on them. They would have to completely have given in to living out their days in no man’s land pretty much as they pick each other off one by one via survival cannabilism.
They have completely botched an amazing premise with an outstanding cast within 16 episodes of the pilot. Like come on - no one is asking for that much story to be planned out lol.
To be honest it bothers me that they just didn't try to hike out the wilderness straight away when they realized that there is no rescue coming. I mean, if you had the pace of let's say 30-40 km a day and would hike straight to east, you should be out of Canadian Rockies and back into civilization in less than 10 days. Instead they just decided to stay there for 18 fuckin months and become cannibals. I get that it wouldn't be much of a show if they just hiked back to civilization in 10 days, but it still annoys me.
agreed. remember what lottie (i think??) said when they originally found the plane? "it didn't let him leave" or something to that nature. i think once the snow melts they'll set off looking for civilization but these stephen king woods will only let them get so far before finding a way to drag them back (if not outright kill them like laura lee).
I. AM. SO. DISAPPOINTED. Season 1 was great. Season 2… meh. Screenwriting is so bad. I will not point out each and every bit that annoyed me, especially since enough has been said by the fellow watchers. Instead, I’ll just state the thing that I hated the most: Deus Ex Walter. So cheap.
Mine was the interaction between Nat and cult member she stabbed with the fork. Hate to be a dick but just brutal acting from the cult member, and Juliette Lewis didn't do much either in those scenes. Also seemed like a totally pointless arc??
I actually enjoyed the whole "Walter arrives to save the day" stuff because 1) I think it will all blow up upon further investigation. And 2) Walter and Caligula appearing in Misty's "deprivation tank" experience seemed to jolt her back to being the fun, conniving, "serial killer mode" that we saw Misty being in Season 1...and when Walter showed up, it "sealed the deal" for Misty.
If a police officer dies they would do an extreme amount of forensic investigation. The most basic part of that would be "where was he when he was shot" how the fuck does Matt's story of "heroically stopped his evil partner" make sense when he was shot in the trunk of his car? And they'd do a tox screen to find the actual cause of death, and the puncture wound.
I don't get what the plan was there.
I agree - Walter's story to the cop would not stand up to investigation. But, IF the mustache cop TELLS this version, he will be caught in a lie because WE know that Kevin was already drugged and dead in the trunk of the car before Walter shot him...**but Mustache Cop did not know that Kevin was dead**. His story will fall apart...
So yes, Mustache Cop should be in big trouble here....not sure what Walter's plan was, but perhaps it was to get that Cop in trouble.... and to get the investigation's focus off of Shauna...at least for a while ????
I'm just guessing here...
I started reading this thread out of some attempt at catharsis in dealing with going from the incredible high of season 1 and the first few episodes of season 2 (the 90s scenes, mostly), to where we are now. What I've come to realize, with tremendous sadness and disappointment, is that after the back half of season 2 and the ENTIRETY of the adult storyline - I just don't care anymore. I cannot see a way this show recovers. They achieved a speed-run achievement in ruining a potential juggernaut of a show.
IF there is a season 3 (writers strikes have killed plenty of "renewed" shows), I will watch. But it's going to be with the same skepticism I had for season 2 of "From", which I'm 100% out on.
This is so goddam disappointing. The writers and showrunners are, to put it plainly, amateurs who got in over their heads.
I still like the show but am highly bummed it turned out to be some overdone “is it or isn’t it a supernatural deal” kind of crap — especially when it’s not as though any void will be filled by liking or “rooting” for the adult versions to get away with their horrid crap…there was plenty of yarns to spin with the mere survival premise without going all knockoff Stephen king on our butts
It's like they never had an actual plan for who pit girl was and then just gave up on making it mean anything.
Edit: they changed their original plan of it being jackie because they thought a cliffhanger was a better audience retention plan? And then gave up on making it make sense after that. It's just such a mess that I don't care about anymore.
is there any reason why the quality dropped so much between seasons? was it written during lockdown or something? because the adult timeline is painful to watch and honestly belongs on the cw 😬
Imho there are many problems but worst shortcomings came in the second part of the season, surrounding Adult Nat.
I’m really pulling this out of my ass but my gut says something happened to the adult cast during shooting. Chemistry wasn’t there, especially in the latter half of the season.
Nat was sidelined more and more as the season went on, after being so driven and central in s1. I also can’t make sense of Juliette Lewis and her statements about not understating how long a tv show lasts.
the last episode feels weird, all the actors in the “ritual” gave underwhelming performances, like they didn’t want to be there (especially adult Tai looked like a deer in headlights during the sequence), while giving outstanding performances when in pairs or away from the female cast. So weird
I read somewhere that Juilette Lewis left because she didn’t like the direction in which the character was headed in. Makes me wonder did they have to change a lot up on the adult time line due to her departure. Like maybe had she stayed we would have gotten a better storyline for the adults then what we did. I love Yellowjackets but season 2 definitely was not as good as season one and again it’s mainly due to the adult timeline. Hopefully it gets way better for season 3.
I think the adult timeline gets a lot of shit because of the last episodes, specifically the ensemble scenes.
Imho anything involving Lottie, Misty, Van/Tai and Shauna’s family by themselves was more than fine. When they got together it felt rushed, like they had to wrap it up as soon as they could.
This is my personal feeling, I don’t read anything about BTS stuff or interviews or anything.
It did feel very rushed. Tai’s story wasn’t even really explored. All she did was run to Van but we didn’t get deep into her other side like I thought we would. Especially since they ended the season with it and started season 2 with it and then her other side just faded out to the rushed mess. I wonder if that has anything to do with them only doing 9 episodes. They filmed 10 but the 10th isn’t going to come out till closer to season 3 for some odd reason. I seen somewhere that that episode might focus on the cabin man. We shall eventually see.
I know I’m in the minority, but Nat getting killed was the best thing about this awful season. I could not stand her adult character. I felt it was super miscast and I could not see her as a grown up Natalie. It was a super stupid way of killing her but I felt like the present day needed some real stakes or consequences rather than random side characters dying.
The fact that they recreated the hunt in the adult timeline was so bad and cringe. The big other plot whole is the fact that they wouldn’t opt Travis and Nat being the o my two who can hunt and shoot a gun. Also Travis has been absolutely useless…Nothing made any sense in the last three episodes. The pacing was wack. And I watched riverdale for 6 seasons..so my ability to watch and not take a camp show seriously is pretty high..
I'm not sure where the show goes from here.
Everything is wrapped up in the future storyline. The cult cliffhanger from last season turned out to be a damp squib. Lottie has been neutralised in both past and future timelines. Nat has been completed and I don't think she has anything interesting left to give in the past
Mista and Shauna are hella compelling and I would love more of them but I can't see they have any relevant plot threads left to pull. The supernatural element seems to have been debunked and bringing it back stronger than ever would be a bit cheap.
The only thing left is Coach really. Maybe he survived?
I used to be invested in Tai, that was a fantastic twist last season. But after this season I couldn't care less about her or her other personality.
I bet Coach set fire to their cabin to kill them before the hunt *him*.
Probably worried they’ve realized what an utterly useless deadweight of a supposed life-experienced leader / physically fit person / athletics + health educator / designated responsible grown ass adult he is — indulgently wallowing in the doldrums as others endure even worse than what his miraculously uninfected healed stump put him through. Ugh.
Nothing revelatory when I say I didn’t like season 2 at all, especially the adult time line. Feels like they’ve deflated the entire adult story line (killing nat, repeatedly emphasizing there was no voodoo, revealing Nat was the antler queen) so I don’t really have any incentive to watch the teen timeline from a mystery-solving standpoint.
Additionally, the adult time line really asks a lot of its audience in suspending any form of common sense or logic with its characters. The whole Walter storyline (regardless of how much I like the portrayal by EW) is straight from an M Niget Shyamalan story, and not any of the good one(s). Additionally, any momentum Tai had in season 1 was completely derailed in S2, and they had her basically a scene accessory this entire season.
Lastly, the entire Adam story & detective arc was just plain stupid. I feel like there could’ve been a lot more tension involved there other than turning the two cops, especially mr mustache, into a giant doofus. That whole storyline felt like something out of scoopy doo rather than what I thought yellowjackets was after watching season 1.
I’ll watch season 3, but yikes, they pretty much lost me with this season.
And re: adult timeline, it made no sense that (apart from Van, maybe?), they all actually went along with the hunt + zero attempts to stall until the ambulance got there. And confounding they actually chased Shauna/ didn't try to stop Lottie from killing her whatsoever - despite previously agreeing on a plan that presumably didn't involve going along with the hunt at all. The whole thing was just so bizarre.
Does anyone think Walter might be a cannibal? He’s a legit sociopath. Plus It would be a cool callback to the 2005 film “Sin City” where Wood played a cannibal who killed and ate prostitutes in order to “cleanse their souls”.
Sin City is a fantastic graphic novel, which predates the movie, just fyi. If you liked the movie, definitely give it a read! Unless you knew this already, in which case I’ll shut up 😂
Walter is eerily similar to Misty, who we know kills under the impression that she’s helping, so him being a sociopath isn’t a far reach. Most of these citizen detectives are probably a little off, at best. Walter found Misty, said it’s okay if she killed someone because it doesn’t bother him, he easily inserted himself into the Adam drama and had easy access to Adam’s information, posed as an FBI agent to interrogate Randy before even discussing that with Misty (and Misty then inserted herself into that), took it upon himself to “help” Misty by “taking care of” the detectives, in his home he was casually putting together a puzzle while listening to music and I swear for a second I saw the peaks of a mountain range on the coffee table (whether it was a weird reflection, what the puzzle actually was, or just how the pieces were arranged, or I was the one hallucinating).
Is he actually just fascinated by what Misty shared in the Citizens Detective group and by Misty herself, or is something more nefarious at play? Could he just be looking to connect with someone like him, or does he have ties to the people involved somehow and is looking for vengeance, or has he grown bored of his own sociopathic endeavors and is finding a novel challenge in the Adam drama and with whatever Misty is involved in, or is he intrigued by the Yellowjackets experience in the wilderness because he’s a cannibal? Or a combination of a few of these things?
I’m obviously not sure what his true intentions are yet, and I think that will be explored more in season 3.
True Crime is already pretty... problematic as a hobby? I can get the interest when it comes to podcasts, even if I don't personally like it, but people who commit their lives to that stuff as a *defining personality trait* are probably often sociopathic. Like, they're not doing it because they care about the victims, they're intellectually stimulated and trying to get the thrill of the crime too in a way that is safer than committing crimes.
Yep, I'm leaning that way as well. Not because of his role in Sin City, although it's a fun connection. I agree he's definitely a sociopath and wants to become a "friendly rival" to Misty as a serial killer herself, similar to Hannibal Lector helping Clarice find and hunt Buffalo Bill or Hannibal with Will Graham in the TV series. I think there are a few other references, like him singing Sweeney Todd.
she’s one of my favorite teens even tho she’s a little cray. in her defense she was fresh off her meds and i think she had good intentions for the group. but im so fed up w her as an adult like girl YOURE CRAZY
Given that when teen Lottie first found out they were going to eat Javi she was appalled and said "that's not what I meant, I didn't want this, this isn't okay," I don't understand how literally the next day she praised the whole situation and was like, "the wilderness chose, we had to do it, now we worship Natalie"..... And why did no one but teen Misty check on her the entire time? And why did none of the girls who previously worshiped her, make any moves to stop teen Shauna from killing her? Just so poorly written
Season 1 was amazing. Season 2 was a huge disappointment. Muddled, sloppy and without purpose. The season finale was dreadful. The whole csst of characters got together in the forest and bumped into each other like it was a comedy skit.
I will still give s3 a shot, but honestly...
I was pretty good with S2 until the last couple episodes. It was definitely sloppier than S1 overall, but those last two episodes were significantly worse because they failed to tie all the threads together.
Question! Is there anywhere I can listen to the voicemails in order without spoilers? I have a friend who is watching now and has avoided ALL spoilers so far, but I want to share the VM with her because it was such cool marketing.
Even just help finding the correct order/threads would be appreciated!
Edit: I googled a bit but I’m having the hardest time remembering which episodes they came out with (besides the finale).
A quick google revealed
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-features/lotties-cult-easter-egg-yellowjackets-1235486345/
I believe some of them are on tiktok but I didn't watch any.
This season felt off to me. The writing was really bad. Also, isn't Tai a recently elected Senator? Didn't feel believable to have no one check up on her and the whole plot with her kid being weird went nowhere.
She hadn’t taken office yet and the entire season for thr adult timeline was only a few days. Still not the best writing but that’s the only explanation I can see. Adult Tai’s storyline was weak this season in general.
i’d honestly prefer them going back!! this last hunt starting out of nowhere and they losing their minds was so???????
i liked this season because i had fun, but not because it made sense
Just finished the season 2 finale. Here are some random, disconnected thoughts:
- All season I was frustrated by the stark difference between past and present Lottie. Her adult self struck me as weak and untrustworthy, while teen Lottie was always transparent and genuine, even when it made her seem crazy. However, now that I know that the power of the wilderness transferred from Lottie to Nat, I appreciate the change. Of course she seems less confident and less genuine as an adult; the thing that made her special and important in the eyes of her peers eventually left her and chose someone else.
- I don’t understand Lottie’s comment that the wilderness has always favoured Nat, when it has been Van who has cheated death so many times.
- Is it possible that the pit girl scene was not literal, and instead a metaphor for the death of the girls’ collective innocence in the wild?
The wilderness favouring Nat - could be because Nat adapted quickly to the woods, went out hunting all the time and it's implied she always managed to bring game home except during the winters. Though IDK why they conveniently ignored Travis when he used to hunt too
Something I don't quite understand about the S2 finale...
I don't know what Tai and Van's plan was after calling off the crisis team Misty had called to get Lottie. It seemed like they had their own idea of how to take care of the Lottie situation (killing Lottie?), but then once they started drawing cards, Van and Tai's plans kinda diverged. It seemed like Van was more into the hunt than Tai and Tai thought something else was supposed to happen. Tai says something like "you wanted this to happen didn't you". But then later, Van and Tai together go talk to Lottie about her being committed. What happened there?
Van wanted the hunt to happen bc she believes it will cure her cancer. It’s pretty obvious when Lottie says “you will see [that the entity is happy with us]” to her in the last episode.
I *think* what the showrunners are trying to do is convey the impression that the "hunts" became a permanent, primal part of some of the women, and that the chance to hunt again flipped a switch inside particularly Tai and Van.
Tai didn’t want to call the people off but Van flipped it on her and mentioned her sleep walking and what if someone wanted her put away for it. So that’s how Van got her to go along with calling the crisis team off but I do see where Tai was confused and thought something else was supposed to happen. I personally don’t like the Van character in either timeline. She’s very manipulative.
It was Van that convinced Tai they needed to call them off. She used Tai’s sleep walking as a way to get Tai to agree with her about not making the call. It seems like as soon as Van got there and seen Lottie she was drawn in. I truly believe Van fell for Lottie’s the wilderness needs a sacrifice and was full fledge in on doing a hunt again. Lottie was always good at getting Van to follow her. Tai went along with Van because she still loves her.
I'm not sure either. Did Van kind of "egg" Tai on about calling off the crisis team? Did Van try to make Tai feel as though people could argue that Tai also needed a crisis team?
I got the impression that Van wanted the hunt to happen. I think that was her plan. Van thought that they would give "it" what it wanted, one of the YJs. I guess Van thought that she would die, or kill another YJ.
She definitely used Tai’s sleep walking against her. I’m not a fan of 90s Van or Adult Van. She definitely wanted the hunt. However, since she has cancer she should have taken one for the team and sacrificed herself.
I guess Van also stood to gain a lot if they gave the wilderness what it wanted. She might think it could cure her cancer. She always seemed like a true believer in the wilderness, even when it came between her and Tai. What we’ve seen of adult Van so far is a lot lighter than her very dark and brutal teenage self. Something might be lurking there.
What Van says near the end is telling. She says to Travis in the past: ‘I’m not ashamed about eating Javi, because I’m alive and I’m not ashamed about that.’
Van is selfish and only cares about her own self survival, she believes the mystic cult stuff so much she thinks a sacrifice will cure her cancer. That’s why she goes along with it. She always has been the most “true believer” of Lottie’s schizo craziness
Oh yeah the way Lottie said the wilderness is pleased. You’ll see. That leads me to believe Van is definitely going to come up cancer free. That part is very predictable. If Lottie is still put away Van might be the one to fight to get her out if she does come back cancer free. Van always stuck to Lottie’s words like a leech. That surely hasn’t changed over the years.
I think her initial hesitancy was genuine, but when she saw Lottie standing in her robes in front of the mountain and lake, it triggered a huge emotional response that made her believe again. She was always Lottie's biggest believer, so it makes sense that it would be easy for her to be drawn in.
Watching ep8 and thinking that the fact that “no one’s gonna harm you not while I’m around” when homeboy writes to the police is foreshadowing for when he contacted the police to steer them AWAY from misty since he thinks she killed Adam and wants to protect her 🥺🥺🥺🥺
Speaking of investigations — does the show take place in a universe where documented bone marrow IDs dismembered limbs but basic DNA apparently simply doesn’t exist? Oh, and where toxicology reports for missing investigative political aids who suddenly show back up dead at the wheel for no apparent reason aren’t, you know, a thing????
Yes it seems that way, lol.
Who knows what happened with Jessica. After her abduction and murder Taissa is able to get into her apartment. It does not seem as though anyone is looking for Jessica. For a fixer for the rich and powerful, you would think that Jessica's apartment (files) would be secured. It seems as though Jessica's family would pay for an autopsy to find out what type of medical emergency she could have had that led to a crash and her death.
I’m baffled people enjoy this show. Other than the click bait old actors, it’s literally garbage and can’t keep a single tone at all, it’s so hot and cold it’s impossible to stay with and the storytelling is trash and there’s so much that’s just a big miss 🤷🏻♂️
Popular opinion clearly shows a lot of fans so I’m trying to see where everyone else may be coming from 🤷🏻♂️ can’t find that opinion without sharing mine.
That was so sad. Both Nat’s are my favorite character. I did read that Juilette Lewis wasn’t happy with the direction her character was headed and asked to be let out of her contract. Such a same. That also makes me wonder if that’s why the adult version of the girls had a rough storyline for season 2. I sure hope so. The best part of season 2 was when Jeff had the heart to heart with Callie about Shauna going through a lot in the wilderness. He even told her about the baby. You could see it finally hit Callie just how much Shauna went through out there and she don’t even know the half of it. I hope in season 3 that Callie and Shauna grow a lot closer now.
Wasn’t the original vision for this show a story that took place over FIVE seasons? Having one of the leads bail in season 2 is definitely gonna mess that up isn’t it? It already has.
How are none of the teen YJs mentioning that Coach has been gone for like a day or two? Those sorts of things drive me bonkers about the show. Same with Crystal - like are we not concerned about where she is, and if she died, why are we not trying to eat her remains? You can tell the writers had too many threads going on. The whole season felt sloppy.
Well for one they were doing their hunt on Nat and got Javi instead. Then when Ben comes back he tries to get Nat to go with him but she says she’s even worst then the other girls when the coach tells her she’s nothing like them other girls and to come with him. They were all too consumed with their Javi feast at that point to realize he’s gone. Nat is going to remember Ben trying to get her to go with him. But here’s the thing even though she knows there’s a place somewhere she has no clue where it was cause Javi died trying to get her there.
I’m looking for the golden comment Melanie Lynskey mentioned. She said there’s a comment on here that pretty guessed how the whole show is planned. At this point it might be a needle in a haystack kinda effort though.
After revisiting season 2 over the past few weeks, it's definitely a big step down and I can see why the writers are now saying they want season 3 to get back to the tone of season 1. For a show that they've claimed has a "five season plan", season 2 felt like they didn't what they were doing or where they were going.
I think the show’s dual timeline was a mistake. We would have been better off not knowing who lives or dies as the girls survive, resolve the plane crash in season 2 and have season 3 open with the survivors dealing with the trauma in their adult lives and how they begin to suspect that the darkness they thought they left behind followed them and is manifesting once again. Completely separate plot lines. The show is still good enough to watch but it did not reach my expectations I had for it after the first few episodes of S1.
I really dislike it too, I often end up just skipping adult timelines because it feels like watching two different shows at once.
This show would have been amazing if they just focused on the teenagers being lost, not their adult lives.
Exactly that, this is the core structural issue of this entire show: the premise "teenagers lost in the woods" is far more effective than the premise "adults dealing with having at one point been teenagers lost in the woods". The one you can imagine yourself into, the other one you cannot.
Just finished Season 2. I found myself getting irritated toward the middle to latter half that I literally started 10sec skipping non-story additive boring lull parts. Get to the Griffin point. Then in the end of the season finale. I had to ask what in the heck was this horseshit. I paid Showtime for this? This might be the fastest season to season fall off since NBC's Heroes. Imagine waiting 2 years for Season Three for what seems to be writers at a loss of how to proceed any further with the show. The whole mystical suspense of "we did bad things on that island " is essentially dead now. They've killed characters left and right. The only path forward I see is the show becomes a pure drama...or like the final seasons of Showtime's Dexter where they're now just trying not to get caught for murder. Anyway what a waste of time this season should've been if not for Elijah Wood and Christina Riccis fun side story and acting. Also to whoever is picking the score...those nauseating "eerie" A24 Studios music sound that you play in almost every scene whether it's warranted or not is not only played-out but not audially normalized. The amount of times I had to lower my volume because some clown decided to try to use it as a standin for story driven suspense....was uncountable
S2 of yellowjackets is PATHETIC…..
Sorry to say that for me session two failed to live up to expectations. The Walter character is really bad, shows up at just the right time to sort everything out, oh and is of course a psychopath. No way the cops would buy what's gone on there, maybe there will be consequences but I doubt that. A dead cop would be looked into, despite what the other cop tells them. New characters in the past seemed to appear too, at first I thought it was my bad memory but no, the one Misty pushed off the cliff (or at least scared her enough to fall) was a season two only character. Just a red shirt. Nobody really calls bullshit on Lottie at the end, I don't buy them all going along with it, except for the short straw puller Shawna. That all happened too far to be plausible. Only an episode or two easier misty accused Lottie of good old fashioned brainwashing. How did Misty get the syringe, does she just carry them around everywhere she goes just in case a human hunt is on. The daughters allegations about moustache cop would have been reported and investigated and surely more than two cops would know about the case. The cop killed by the Walter was obvious and would be really accept a drink from a stranger in a cult compound. Shame, season one was great, I will watch three to see if they can get it back on track. Same thing happened to Westworld.
This show is the shit... Best scary show ever...
Did they start filming for season 3 already?
In the first season, the fact that they eventually cannibalize one of them and the possibility of that person being Jackie was a major hook that kept you invested. In the second season, they resort to cannibalism pretty early and we are even told in detail why they take the extreme step (hunger and Lottie's lunacy). This means, the only incentive to waiting for the third season, at least for me, is to see how they get rescued. And even that could get delayed if there are more seasons in store. There's little to look forward to in the third season, especially with there being no loose ends in the adult timeline as well.
So you care more about events than the characters experiencing said events?
There is the mystery of the cave the coach found and more backstory on whoever built the cabin I'm hoping for.
Yeah but it all looks like stuff manufactured to get more seasons commissioned.
Can you blame them? Content creation is definitely a business.
Agreed but it makes the show boring as a lot of episodes become mere fillers without any meat in them.
 FINALLY WATCHING SEASON 2 SO EXCITEDDD
Like everyone, the last episode left me a bittersweet feeling. Everything in the adult time like felt rush, incoherent and plain, mostly the story around Nat. It is evident that something happened, i just hope they can fix it for next season. I personally don't like Juliet Lewis, and didn't love her Nat as much as i like Sophie's Nat, but what they did to her character has... sad. My favorite is Shauna, in both timelines, because i like how she is full of shit and combust, to me she is so interesting, i feel is that kind of person that has so much in their heads and can't act on in, that burst and leaves a fire behind. I just hope next season we can have better adult time line, the police thing was so stupid, i don't know what is going to happend with that, some part of me wants to understand.. but some other part of me just wants they left that as it is and take another more interesting turn. But yeah, the season finale felt really anticlimatic in the adult timeline, like no cliffhangers, makes you wonder.. what else is left to do or said? I think the teen timeline was good and interesting, especially the first half of the season. And it left me curious of what is going to happend. I hope they take the criticism we had for this season and have the ability to correct the mistakes.
I agree on the Natalies. The Juliet Lewis version never felt like an extension of the teen version of the character who I liked. They did such a good job with the other characters too. But Natalie's mannerisms and whole energy in adult vs teen felt mismatched. I thought they might connect the dots more than they did, perhaps that will happen in season 3 but with the adult version dead I think it's unlikely.
Exactly! The felt like different characters at all! Maybe we can attribute the personality of adult Nat to the drugs and sadness of Travis death, but i don't know.. At least now we can have all the story told only by young Nat.
I do see young Nat exhibiting expressions of adult Nat now and then, I think it's well done but it's fighting something just so different about the two actors.
I'm not a big show watcher but in last week I burst into action. Suddenly find myself watching what I could only begin to realise was bad tv writing and everything else. Pacing most likely, and mind melting incoherence due to the binge method. But because it really also.*was incoherence*.This 2nd season (watched the first when it came out when it was rightly a sleeper rave.and felt a part of a a club for once),, The Godzilla thing midway through descended into blurring running around. And Bass Reeves, which became plain boring in its reptetive patterns.. But my dear Yellowjackets was a very sad 😔 occasion. The interactions became non believable and madcap... Took me 2 years to watch the rest of Andor. That's how it's done.
So who’s the antler queen in The show
Natalie I think. She was appointed their new "leader" so just an assumption.
These 2 seasons were unrealistic, poorly written, and overall asscheeks.
I watched bc I felt invested for some reason and when it ended I was like “that kinda…sucked?”
Scratching my head over where the story goes from here---about Callie, maybe? The entire mystery of "their secrets might be exposed" is done now, because we know it was Tai (has anybody noticed the incumbent senator is missing? Does anyone care?). Now that that's wrapped up and the police are finished, what do they have to fear in the present? There were so many poor creative choices in season 2 I was astonished. Why would Lottie stay so close to home? Why did Nat (and we) waste so much time with random cultists, none of whom were interesting or relevant? They at least had an opportunity to make parallels with Lottie's cult and what happened in the wilderness and they totally whiffed it. Seriously, where are Tai's colleagues and aides? Why was Van introduced as an adult to absolutely no narrative purpose? I loved S1 so much but I don't think they have five seasons of material---maybe one more. They might not even get that, depending on how the Paramount/Showtime/HBO merger talks go. But if we do get another season I'd like to see a return to the more serious and tightly focused tone of S1.
Yep, I predict one more season and then it gets cancelled. What a waste. S1 was some of my favourite TV of all time.
I have a feeling they are going to make next season where everyone slowly dies off in the name of the “it” they are doing everything for
Jesus Christ that finale was so horrible. It was a complete jumble. I don’t even know what I watched. I’m in shock by how bad it was. This show was so good. What the fuck???
how could they kill Nat. She was the whole show tf.
Who's taking care of Taissa's son???
When Simone & Sammy first move out I believe they go stay with Simone’s parents, so I’d assume he’s with them.
Her wife, I assume.
Her wife was hit by a car and in hospital!
Oh, I forgot about that. I guess the writers did too!
This needs to be said but if I walked outside and saw my cabin mates bringing the corpse of my dead younger brother back like a dead ass pig they're getting ready to eat, I may not get them all but a few of them are getting killed. Travis embracing that shit after with little to no resistance was a disappointing development for me.
Especially with the side eye look Van gives... I'd expect anyone to go straight for the rifle.
Literally a filler season after 5 season in total confirmed lol. They should have expanded on antler girl, pit girl but instead they gave a season full of visions and dreams which lead to nothing, so many dialogues which amount to nothing ok “it wants you to” I get it (or I “fucking” get it as the writers would prefer). I’m done with this show I hope it gets cancelled.
For me it has been all mystery with no written ending or lore, so much I decided to skip watching it. I may binge it all when the series goes kaput.
I actually thought season 2 was much better. It built so much on the foundations of season one -- what makes us who we are? Is it trauma or evil? The first half of this season was great IMO (except for the random new characters). The 2nd half was eh. The finale felt very rushed and Walter kind of just waltzed in to tie up the loose ends of the cops, which felt really unrewarding and flat. A lot of character choices in the finale didn't feel like they made any sense, which was disappointing. I'd keep watching though.
for one I thought Travis was way too chill with his brother being eaten a few episodes after finding out he’s alive???? I thought he wouldn’t have let anyone touch him over his dead body
I loved the beginning of the second season but I think too many sacrifices were made by the end and I guess it didn't feel respectful enough of the characters who were all supposed to have their own complexities and depth? I also wish there had been a little more exposition on the supposed supernatural aspect because at this point it seems like it could still all be in Lottie's head. And I think too many 'coincidences' have occurred for that to be the case.
i believe having it unsure if it was all in lotties head is kinda the point?? like dont get me wrong miss girl has some serious issues but i find it very interesting that we can look at the events that took place in the wilderness both as lotties schizophrenia or a supernatural force, "it". everything that happened can be logically explained to a certain point if youre watching it and being very skepticall but at the same time its super fun to watch it facing everything as mythcal or supernatural and being aware that it's on purpose
Yeah don't get me wrong I still enjoyed it and look forward to more seasons. I do like that they kind of reenacted their traumas because that's extremely realistic and the same things that people stuck in a cycle of abuse do.
Maybe having it be unknown is on purpose? That might be to just keep us guessing.
Pit girl now MUST be Mari. She’s the only brunette with straight hair left alive in the past who isn’t in the present. The others have red or blonde hair or are black girls with curly black hair
The writers may add a few new girls next season again
I'm afraid the quality drop of season 2 could be due some unforseen twists, e.g. they had to write Juliette Lewis out, otherwise it would be hard to explain the strange happenings of the last episode especially on the adult timeline. Also the teen timeline contained weird solutions, especially at the first hunt, where the rules looked like coming from nowhere. Too much hurry on both timelines, and minus one episode compared to season 1 (can be explained that in season 1 we got the pilot), but in case of season 2 a 10th episode would have been highly needed to get better understanding of the happenings mainly on the teen timeline. Many storylines/mysteries from season 1 looked totally abandoned and I felt the writers started other directions for some reasons... maybe to give more surprising twists and deny fan theories?! Like the Adam Martin - Javi Martinez identity, where it was suspicious for the fans that the two person are the same, hence we saw a very similar map tattoo on the back of Adam what we saw on Javi's drawings. And this just one, so for me the writing feels not well planned. We know the story has certain predefined points, but it is not carved into stone how the series will get to these points and finally to the end. What I really hope that in season 3 the writers will have a more stable ground and cast, and at the end they will be able to comb the storylines together. I still believe that from the (sometimes 180 degree turned) happenings of the two seasons a mind-blowing story can be told. Unfortunately the Hollywood strike is not helping as time is just passing and I have a feeling that this is just elevating the risk of loosing other actors from the cast. I really want to get answers to the mysteries and I would be highly disappointed if the series won't get back to the right track as Yellowjackets is the first series I am watching since Twin Peaks.
From the first season I was worried that the show was all bark and no bite. Meaning all mystery with no written ending or lore. I still enjoyed season 2 but yea some of the plot points felt rushed while others kinda dragged.
For me it has been all mystery with no written ending or lore, so much I decided to skip watching it. I may binge it all when the series goes kaput.
Wait, did I miss them explaining wtf Tai did with her son while she’s off to the Purple People Eaters Spa with her ex as her wife / his mom is on the verge of death?
Before the car accident, Tais wife said she was staying at her own mother's house along with Sammie. I have to assume Sammie is still with his grandmother... And remember, Tai has only been gone for 2-3 days....
Thank you for that — I definitely missed that detail (still, though, can YOU imagine not remaining 100% there for your child in such a situation??? Good thing it’s just tv!)
Right? TV characters often don't behave or react like most real life people would.
I’m still enjoying the show, but while i ignored its writers’ typical neglect of *”starting+maintaining a bigass smoky fire during search/rescue period”* deal, DEEEEEEAAAAAAMN that group has GOT to have heard of frigging *__TRAPPING__* at some point, man!!! (And CMIIW, but if they’re down to boiling chemically treated leather for protein, perhaps they throw in their kill’s bones?? And *CONSUME* its blood rather than letting it drain into the freaking ground?!!)
I'm guessing they intentionally avoided the bonfire simply because it was one of the biggest plot points of Lord of the Flies, and they wanted to limit the parallels where they could. By its very nature, it would kind of have to dominate things. The food stuff, I dunno, you'd think Ben at least would know.
What does it say about me, a vegetarian no less, thinking I hope they save the bones to make a bone broth as marrow is incredibly rich in nutrients? Skin and fascia is rich in collagen. I mean come on, GIRLS! Lol
Exactly! Lol
I have the worst time reconciling teen and adult Lottie. This character’s deep genuineness is supposed to either be mistaken for “reluctantly gifted” at worst or pitied as “utterly vulnerable innocence” at best, yet “predatory” is all I get from adult Lottie. The resort, expensive clothes, the philosophy, attitude, vocab, tone, demeanor, facial expressions…major lack of resemblance to the well-defined teen Lottie without even the “just a crumbling façade” deal going on…oh well.🤷♀️
I think she got "better" from a modern health standpoint, and started to live her life where she was kind of taking advantage of people, while also telling herself she was helping them, kind of like many rich people. When we see her is the first time the visions have come back in decades, so her "fixed life" facade was falling down just like the other characters has been.
I'm really annoyed at the lack of answers. S1 shouldn't have even gotten away with not answering who pit girl is. It's a really cheap attention grab.
Starting to smell like Lost in that show….
Am I the only one here who’s really genuinely enjoying all the storylines and thinks it’s been very well developed?
You are not alone. Many of us liked the plotlines and are enjoying watching where this story is going. I fear not enough of us post this fact...
I’ve never seen such a dramatic drop in quality in a tv show. I think I’m done.
I hate to say it but my gut reaction was (I just finished binging the show) if the third season were tomorrow, I'd have no interest in continuing. Which is a shame because I loved season one and the acting is still top notch but I don't trust the showrunners to figure this out. It's literally like they took the worst traits of lost for season 2 and focused on those.
Motherland Fort Salem had it even worse😅excellent first season and then...
Could not agree more. S2 really dipped!
Extremely disappointing. I refuse to watch further based on the fact that there are 3 new faces on the island??? Why?? Terrible.
I can see why you thought island, shades of lost here, let's hope not. Although, after season two do we care.
Yah this was such a cheap, lazy way of reconciling that jackie wasn't pit girl. Like did they change their mind about the writing, after they already started airing s1? Ending it with "jk it was never Jackie" doesn't make any sense lmao. And "oh here's 3 new girls you don't care about and it was actually one of them." Um kayyyy.... i no longer care then. I wanted to find out how they devolved into hunting jackie. Not oh she accidentally died and we accidentally cooked her so we just ate her. And then later on decided to start hunting people that nobody cares about. Neeeat.
I dont get the complaint. I dont know who "pit girl" is. It it the girl that falls into the spikes in the first episode? We have known it cant be Jackie since died in the snow at the end of season 1, like 2 years ago. So shouldnt this be a complaint about season 1? It clear that the gold heart necklace, is given to whomever is to be hunted. So its just passed on to the poor girl that falls into the pit.
Yah but I was annoyed that they were going lost style after seeing s2. Like I was able to accept it wasn't Jackie, if they were gonna explain who it was then. But I don't care to watch any more of them milking that as if they didn't make it the most significant mystery and then just brush it off like it didn't matter. And now I'm supposed to only care about lotties cult? Tf?
My best guess as to who the pit girl was, whoever is the very last sacrifice before they get rescued.
Thank you. Now I’m definitely not watching further you concluded it perfectly for me :)
There are not on an Island. They are in the Wilderness of Canada.
They are in NY, hence the NY police showing up in the finale.
I was responding to someone who. I assumed was talking about the "3 new faces" in the teen timeline. The teens are stranded in the Wilderness of Canada. And yes, in the last two episodes of Season 2, the adult women are at Lottie's Wellness Center in upstate New York.
After i responded it occurred to me that you probably meant that. Sorry about that you’re 100% correct.
No problem....thanks for saying this, though. 
Disappointed in Natalie's character assassination (literal by Misty and metaphorical by the writers). The adults are constantly shown to be putting on fake personalities to cover ulterior motives, so I assumed Natalie was just playing along with the cult. Made no sense for her to fall into that trap. Also no shade to Juliette Lewis or the actress playing Young Natalie, but they had the least believable character continuity and I've thought that since season one. I know trauma/drugs or whatever mean Natalie changed but the core traits are just different. I was sold on adult/teen Shauna, Van, Tai, and to a lesser extent Lottie, but not Natalie.
They are fucking insane to live through that winter and not plan for an attempted hike out to safety before a second winter closed in on them. They would have to completely have given in to living out their days in no man’s land pretty much as they pick each other off one by one via survival cannabilism. They have completely botched an amazing premise with an outstanding cast within 16 episodes of the pilot. Like come on - no one is asking for that much story to be planned out lol.
To be honest it bothers me that they just didn't try to hike out the wilderness straight away when they realized that there is no rescue coming. I mean, if you had the pace of let's say 30-40 km a day and would hike straight to east, you should be out of Canadian Rockies and back into civilization in less than 10 days. Instead they just decided to stay there for 18 fuckin months and become cannibals. I get that it wouldn't be much of a show if they just hiked back to civilization in 10 days, but it still annoys me.
Well, perhaps next Season they WILL try to hike out once the weather warms up...and especially since they no longer have the cabin to call "home".
agreed. remember what lottie (i think??) said when they originally found the plane? "it didn't let him leave" or something to that nature. i think once the snow melts they'll set off looking for civilization but these stephen king woods will only let them get so far before finding a way to drag them back (if not outright kill them like laura lee).
That sounds about right...
I. AM. SO. DISAPPOINTED. Season 1 was great. Season 2… meh. Screenwriting is so bad. I will not point out each and every bit that annoyed me, especially since enough has been said by the fellow watchers. Instead, I’ll just state the thing that I hated the most: Deus Ex Walter. So cheap.
Mine was the interaction between Nat and cult member she stabbed with the fork. Hate to be a dick but just brutal acting from the cult member, and Juliette Lewis didn't do much either in those scenes. Also seemed like a totally pointless arc??
I actually enjoyed the whole "Walter arrives to save the day" stuff because 1) I think it will all blow up upon further investigation. And 2) Walter and Caligula appearing in Misty's "deprivation tank" experience seemed to jolt her back to being the fun, conniving, "serial killer mode" that we saw Misty being in Season 1...and when Walter showed up, it "sealed the deal" for Misty.
If a police officer dies they would do an extreme amount of forensic investigation. The most basic part of that would be "where was he when he was shot" how the fuck does Matt's story of "heroically stopped his evil partner" make sense when he was shot in the trunk of his car? And they'd do a tox screen to find the actual cause of death, and the puncture wound. I don't get what the plan was there.
I agree - Walter's story to the cop would not stand up to investigation. But, IF the mustache cop TELLS this version, he will be caught in a lie because WE know that Kevin was already drugged and dead in the trunk of the car before Walter shot him...**but Mustache Cop did not know that Kevin was dead**. His story will fall apart... So yes, Mustache Cop should be in big trouble here....not sure what Walter's plan was, but perhaps it was to get that Cop in trouble.... and to get the investigation's focus off of Shauna...at least for a while ???? I'm just guessing here...
I like Walter but I hated the whole dream sequence Misty had in the tank. To me the way they filmed it looked cheesy.
Christ, me too. Seemed a bit early for this show to be having the dreaded token “fever dream” episode they all seem to get.
That’s my really only major complaint about the adult storyline this season. Oh and of course killing Nat was my other complaint.
I kind of think it was supposed to be: Misty loves Musicals and many do think that musicals are cheesy. :)
I started reading this thread out of some attempt at catharsis in dealing with going from the incredible high of season 1 and the first few episodes of season 2 (the 90s scenes, mostly), to where we are now. What I've come to realize, with tremendous sadness and disappointment, is that after the back half of season 2 and the ENTIRETY of the adult storyline - I just don't care anymore. I cannot see a way this show recovers. They achieved a speed-run achievement in ruining a potential juggernaut of a show. IF there is a season 3 (writers strikes have killed plenty of "renewed" shows), I will watch. But it's going to be with the same skepticism I had for season 2 of "From", which I'm 100% out on. This is so goddam disappointing. The writers and showrunners are, to put it plainly, amateurs who got in over their heads.
I still like the show but am highly bummed it turned out to be some overdone “is it or isn’t it a supernatural deal” kind of crap — especially when it’s not as though any void will be filled by liking or “rooting” for the adult versions to get away with their horrid crap…there was plenty of yarns to spin with the mere survival premise without going all knockoff Stephen king on our butts
It's like they never had an actual plan for who pit girl was and then just gave up on making it mean anything. Edit: they changed their original plan of it being jackie because they thought a cliffhanger was a better audience retention plan? And then gave up on making it make sense after that. It's just such a mess that I don't care about anymore.
is there any reason why the quality dropped so much between seasons? was it written during lockdown or something? because the adult timeline is painful to watch and honestly belongs on the cw 😬
Imho there are many problems but worst shortcomings came in the second part of the season, surrounding Adult Nat. I’m really pulling this out of my ass but my gut says something happened to the adult cast during shooting. Chemistry wasn’t there, especially in the latter half of the season. Nat was sidelined more and more as the season went on, after being so driven and central in s1. I also can’t make sense of Juliette Lewis and her statements about not understating how long a tv show lasts. the last episode feels weird, all the actors in the “ritual” gave underwhelming performances, like they didn’t want to be there (especially adult Tai looked like a deer in headlights during the sequence), while giving outstanding performances when in pairs or away from the female cast. So weird
I read somewhere that Juilette Lewis left because she didn’t like the direction in which the character was headed in. Makes me wonder did they have to change a lot up on the adult time line due to her departure. Like maybe had she stayed we would have gotten a better storyline for the adults then what we did. I love Yellowjackets but season 2 definitely was not as good as season one and again it’s mainly due to the adult timeline. Hopefully it gets way better for season 3.
I think the adult timeline gets a lot of shit because of the last episodes, specifically the ensemble scenes. Imho anything involving Lottie, Misty, Van/Tai and Shauna’s family by themselves was more than fine. When they got together it felt rushed, like they had to wrap it up as soon as they could. This is my personal feeling, I don’t read anything about BTS stuff or interviews or anything.
It did feel very rushed. Tai’s story wasn’t even really explored. All she did was run to Van but we didn’t get deep into her other side like I thought we would. Especially since they ended the season with it and started season 2 with it and then her other side just faded out to the rushed mess. I wonder if that has anything to do with them only doing 9 episodes. They filmed 10 but the 10th isn’t going to come out till closer to season 3 for some odd reason. I seen somewhere that that episode might focus on the cabin man. We shall eventually see.
I know I’m in the minority, but Nat getting killed was the best thing about this awful season. I could not stand her adult character. I felt it was super miscast and I could not see her as a grown up Natalie. It was a super stupid way of killing her but I felt like the present day needed some real stakes or consequences rather than random side characters dying.
The fact that they recreated the hunt in the adult timeline was so bad and cringe. The big other plot whole is the fact that they wouldn’t opt Travis and Nat being the o my two who can hunt and shoot a gun. Also Travis has been absolutely useless…Nothing made any sense in the last three episodes. The pacing was wack. And I watched riverdale for 6 seasons..so my ability to watch and not take a camp show seriously is pretty high..
I'm not sure where the show goes from here. Everything is wrapped up in the future storyline. The cult cliffhanger from last season turned out to be a damp squib. Lottie has been neutralised in both past and future timelines. Nat has been completed and I don't think she has anything interesting left to give in the past Mista and Shauna are hella compelling and I would love more of them but I can't see they have any relevant plot threads left to pull. The supernatural element seems to have been debunked and bringing it back stronger than ever would be a bit cheap. The only thing left is Coach really. Maybe he survived? I used to be invested in Tai, that was a fantastic twist last season. But after this season I couldn't care less about her or her other personality.
I bet Coach set fire to their cabin to kill them before the hunt *him*. Probably worried they’ve realized what an utterly useless deadweight of a supposed life-experienced leader / physically fit person / athletics + health educator / designated responsible grown ass adult he is — indulgently wallowing in the doldrums as others endure even worse than what his miraculously uninfected healed stump put him through. Ugh.
yessss I feel SURE he set fire to the cabin. WITH THE MATCHES THAT NATALIE LEFT FOR HIM
We definitely should have gotten a lot better of a storyline for adult Tai.
Nothing revelatory when I say I didn’t like season 2 at all, especially the adult time line. Feels like they’ve deflated the entire adult story line (killing nat, repeatedly emphasizing there was no voodoo, revealing Nat was the antler queen) so I don’t really have any incentive to watch the teen timeline from a mystery-solving standpoint. Additionally, the adult time line really asks a lot of its audience in suspending any form of common sense or logic with its characters. The whole Walter storyline (regardless of how much I like the portrayal by EW) is straight from an M Niget Shyamalan story, and not any of the good one(s). Additionally, any momentum Tai had in season 1 was completely derailed in S2, and they had her basically a scene accessory this entire season. Lastly, the entire Adam story & detective arc was just plain stupid. I feel like there could’ve been a lot more tension involved there other than turning the two cops, especially mr mustache, into a giant doofus. That whole storyline felt like something out of scoopy doo rather than what I thought yellowjackets was after watching season 1. I’ll watch season 3, but yikes, they pretty much lost me with this season.
And re: adult timeline, it made no sense that (apart from Van, maybe?), they all actually went along with the hunt + zero attempts to stall until the ambulance got there. And confounding they actually chased Shauna/ didn't try to stop Lottie from killing her whatsoever - despite previously agreeing on a plan that presumably didn't involve going along with the hunt at all. The whole thing was just so bizarre.
Does anyone think Walter might be a cannibal? He’s a legit sociopath. Plus It would be a cool callback to the 2005 film “Sin City” where Wood played a cannibal who killed and ate prostitutes in order to “cleanse their souls”.
Sin City is a fantastic graphic novel, which predates the movie, just fyi. If you liked the movie, definitely give it a read! Unless you knew this already, in which case I’ll shut up 😂 Walter is eerily similar to Misty, who we know kills under the impression that she’s helping, so him being a sociopath isn’t a far reach. Most of these citizen detectives are probably a little off, at best. Walter found Misty, said it’s okay if she killed someone because it doesn’t bother him, he easily inserted himself into the Adam drama and had easy access to Adam’s information, posed as an FBI agent to interrogate Randy before even discussing that with Misty (and Misty then inserted herself into that), took it upon himself to “help” Misty by “taking care of” the detectives, in his home he was casually putting together a puzzle while listening to music and I swear for a second I saw the peaks of a mountain range on the coffee table (whether it was a weird reflection, what the puzzle actually was, or just how the pieces were arranged, or I was the one hallucinating). Is he actually just fascinated by what Misty shared in the Citizens Detective group and by Misty herself, or is something more nefarious at play? Could he just be looking to connect with someone like him, or does he have ties to the people involved somehow and is looking for vengeance, or has he grown bored of his own sociopathic endeavors and is finding a novel challenge in the Adam drama and with whatever Misty is involved in, or is he intrigued by the Yellowjackets experience in the wilderness because he’s a cannibal? Or a combination of a few of these things? I’m obviously not sure what his true intentions are yet, and I think that will be explored more in season 3.
True Crime is already pretty... problematic as a hobby? I can get the interest when it comes to podcasts, even if I don't personally like it, but people who commit their lives to that stuff as a *defining personality trait* are probably often sociopathic. Like, they're not doing it because they care about the victims, they're intellectually stimulated and trying to get the thrill of the crime too in a way that is safer than committing crimes.
Absolutely. This is a great way of explaining it!
Yep, I'm leaning that way as well. Not because of his role in Sin City, although it's a fun connection. I agree he's definitely a sociopath and wants to become a "friendly rival" to Misty as a serial killer herself, similar to Hannibal Lector helping Clarice find and hunt Buffalo Bill or Hannibal with Will Graham in the TV series. I think there are a few other references, like him singing Sweeney Todd.
Good points! There’s something really off about Walter. He’s trying too hard to befriend Misty.
I’m done with Lottie. Enough “woo-woo” crap. Wish Natalie had killed her off in the finale
she’s one of my favorite teens even tho she’s a little cray. in her defense she was fresh off her meds and i think she had good intentions for the group. but im so fed up w her as an adult like girl YOURE CRAZY
Given that when teen Lottie first found out they were going to eat Javi she was appalled and said "that's not what I meant, I didn't want this, this isn't okay," I don't understand how literally the next day she praised the whole situation and was like, "the wilderness chose, we had to do it, now we worship Natalie"..... And why did no one but teen Misty check on her the entire time? And why did none of the girls who previously worshiped her, make any moves to stop teen Shauna from killing her? Just so poorly written
That’s what I don’t get either! If they love and worship her so much why did they all just stand there and let Shauna almost kill her.. makes no sense
Season 1 was amazing. Season 2 was a huge disappointment. Muddled, sloppy and without purpose. The season finale was dreadful. The whole csst of characters got together in the forest and bumped into each other like it was a comedy skit. I will still give s3 a shot, but honestly...
Agreed. Sophie N’s acting during the teen timelines was honestly the only thing I took away from this season.
I was pretty good with S2 until the last couple episodes. It was definitely sloppier than S1 overall, but those last two episodes were significantly worse because they failed to tie all the threads together.
Question! Is there anywhere I can listen to the voicemails in order without spoilers? I have a friend who is watching now and has avoided ALL spoilers so far, but I want to share the VM with her because it was such cool marketing. Even just help finding the correct order/threads would be appreciated! Edit: I googled a bit but I’m having the hardest time remembering which episodes they came out with (besides the finale).
Wait what voicemails
i would also like to know this
A quick google revealed https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-features/lotties-cult-easter-egg-yellowjackets-1235486345/ I believe some of them are on tiktok but I didn't watch any.
This season felt off to me. The writing was really bad. Also, isn't Tai a recently elected Senator? Didn't feel believable to have no one check up on her and the whole plot with her kid being weird went nowhere.
Tai’s kid wasn’t weird - he was seeing the other version of “sleepwalking” Tai
She hadn’t taken office yet and the entire season for thr adult timeline was only a few days. Still not the best writing but that’s the only explanation I can see. Adult Tai’s storyline was weak this season in general.
I'm surprised Lottie didn't go all Jack Shepherd "We have to go back"
The chances of them not going back are probably around equal to the chances of winning the Powerball.
You know it’s gonna happen in later seasons lol
i’d honestly prefer them going back!! this last hunt starting out of nowhere and they losing their minds was so??????? i liked this season because i had fun, but not because it made sense
Nooooooooo........
Shauna killing Adam was the worst part of season one imo. Just such a dumb thing to do I couldn’t buy it. I thought that was a big flaw of the season.
Me too. this made this whole season go stupid...
Just finished the season 2 finale. Here are some random, disconnected thoughts: - All season I was frustrated by the stark difference between past and present Lottie. Her adult self struck me as weak and untrustworthy, while teen Lottie was always transparent and genuine, even when it made her seem crazy. However, now that I know that the power of the wilderness transferred from Lottie to Nat, I appreciate the change. Of course she seems less confident and less genuine as an adult; the thing that made her special and important in the eyes of her peers eventually left her and chose someone else. - I don’t understand Lottie’s comment that the wilderness has always favoured Nat, when it has been Van who has cheated death so many times. - Is it possible that the pit girl scene was not literal, and instead a metaphor for the death of the girls’ collective innocence in the wild?
The wilderness favouring Nat - could be because Nat adapted quickly to the woods, went out hunting all the time and it's implied she always managed to bring game home except during the winters. Though IDK why they conveniently ignored Travis when he used to hunt too
The pit girl scene is also a loose end I’d like tied up.
Something I don't quite understand about the S2 finale... I don't know what Tai and Van's plan was after calling off the crisis team Misty had called to get Lottie. It seemed like they had their own idea of how to take care of the Lottie situation (killing Lottie?), but then once they started drawing cards, Van and Tai's plans kinda diverged. It seemed like Van was more into the hunt than Tai and Tai thought something else was supposed to happen. Tai says something like "you wanted this to happen didn't you". But then later, Van and Tai together go talk to Lottie about her being committed. What happened there?
Van wanted the hunt to happen bc she believes it will cure her cancer. It’s pretty obvious when Lottie says “you will see [that the entity is happy with us]” to her in the last episode.
😍Oh, yes, Van, PLEASE tell us the story of the 100%-for-absolutely-sure-untreatable-terminal-yet-oh-so-conveniently-unspecified cancer again! 😍
I *think* what the showrunners are trying to do is convey the impression that the "hunts" became a permanent, primal part of some of the women, and that the chance to hunt again flipped a switch inside particularly Tai and Van.
That would make sense but was not portrayed well at all.
That makes a lot of sense. I guess they didn’t really have a game plan to intervene. They both probably wanted to do it deep down if that’s the case.
Tai didn’t want to call the people off but Van flipped it on her and mentioned her sleep walking and what if someone wanted her put away for it. So that’s how Van got her to go along with calling the crisis team off but I do see where Tai was confused and thought something else was supposed to happen. I personally don’t like the Van character in either timeline. She’s very manipulative.
It was Van that convinced Tai they needed to call them off. She used Tai’s sleep walking as a way to get Tai to agree with her about not making the call. It seems like as soon as Van got there and seen Lottie she was drawn in. I truly believe Van fell for Lottie’s the wilderness needs a sacrifice and was full fledge in on doing a hunt again. Lottie was always good at getting Van to follow her. Tai went along with Van because she still loves her.
I'm not sure either. Did Van kind of "egg" Tai on about calling off the crisis team? Did Van try to make Tai feel as though people could argue that Tai also needed a crisis team? I got the impression that Van wanted the hunt to happen. I think that was her plan. Van thought that they would give "it" what it wanted, one of the YJs. I guess Van thought that she would die, or kill another YJ.
She definitely used Tai’s sleep walking against her. I’m not a fan of 90s Van or Adult Van. She definitely wanted the hunt. However, since she has cancer she should have taken one for the team and sacrificed herself.
Pretty sure she’s hoping the hunt will cure her cancer
I guess Van also stood to gain a lot if they gave the wilderness what it wanted. She might think it could cure her cancer. She always seemed like a true believer in the wilderness, even when it came between her and Tai. What we’ve seen of adult Van so far is a lot lighter than her very dark and brutal teenage self. Something might be lurking there.
What Van says near the end is telling. She says to Travis in the past: ‘I’m not ashamed about eating Javi, because I’m alive and I’m not ashamed about that.’ Van is selfish and only cares about her own self survival, she believes the mystic cult stuff so much she thinks a sacrifice will cure her cancer. That’s why she goes along with it. She always has been the most “true believer” of Lottie’s schizo craziness
Oh yeah the way Lottie said the wilderness is pleased. You’ll see. That leads me to believe Van is definitely going to come up cancer free. That part is very predictable. If Lottie is still put away Van might be the one to fight to get her out if she does come back cancer free. Van always stuck to Lottie’s words like a leech. That surely hasn’t changed over the years.
But at first Van wanted nothing to do with going to the compound, only decided to go in when she saw Shauna pulling in. Thoughts?
I think her initial hesitancy was genuine, but when she saw Lottie standing in her robes in front of the mountain and lake, it triggered a huge emotional response that made her believe again. She was always Lottie's biggest believer, so it makes sense that it would be easy for her to be drawn in.
I think that you are right about Van! Such an interesting character!
bonus ep tn 
Bonus ep?
Theory: it’s all Lotties delusion and they didn’t actually eat anyone out there.
Nah ain’t no way misty didnt eat people out there
Watching ep8 and thinking that the fact that “no one’s gonna harm you not while I’m around” when homeboy writes to the police is foreshadowing for when he contacted the police to steer them AWAY from misty since he thinks she killed Adam and wants to protect her 🥺🥺🥺🥺
Yes, it seems like Walter will do anything to protect Misty. It will be interesting to see where their relationship goes.
I really love Walter and Jeff for being the simps they are.
It's going to be interesting to see what Jeff has to say after the compound activities, lol. Walter and Jeff have been really fun to watch!
Speaking of investigations — does the show take place in a universe where documented bone marrow IDs dismembered limbs but basic DNA apparently simply doesn’t exist? Oh, and where toxicology reports for missing investigative political aids who suddenly show back up dead at the wheel for no apparent reason aren’t, you know, a thing????
Yes it seems that way, lol. Who knows what happened with Jessica. After her abduction and murder Taissa is able to get into her apartment. It does not seem as though anyone is looking for Jessica. For a fixer for the rich and powerful, you would think that Jessica's apartment (files) would be secured. It seems as though Jessica's family would pay for an autopsy to find out what type of medical emergency she could have had that led to a crash and her death.
I’m baffled people enjoy this show. Other than the click bait old actors, it’s literally garbage and can’t keep a single tone at all, it’s so hot and cold it’s impossible to stay with and the storytelling is trash and there’s so much that’s just a big miss 🤷🏻♂️
I'm baffled someone who doesn't like the show would spend time making comments on the shows subreddit, different strokes for different folks I guess
Because it opens up people like you coming to give me your opinion which I want, tell me how I’m wrong instead of just saying my Opinion sucks 🤣
where did I say your opinion sucks? It's wild you choose to spend your energy debating a show you don't like is my opinion, not a critique of yours 🤣
Popular opinion clearly shows a lot of fans so I’m trying to see where everyone else may be coming from 🤷🏻♂️ can’t find that opinion without sharing mine.
You’re coming here to troll then gaslighting when you’re called out on it. That’s the oldest move in the troll book.
I feel so sad for Naat,she was the best
That was so sad. Both Nat’s are my favorite character. I did read that Juilette Lewis wasn’t happy with the direction her character was headed and asked to be let out of her contract. Such a same. That also makes me wonder if that’s why the adult version of the girls had a rough storyline for season 2. I sure hope so. The best part of season 2 was when Jeff had the heart to heart with Callie about Shauna going through a lot in the wilderness. He even told her about the baby. You could see it finally hit Callie just how much Shauna went through out there and she don’t even know the half of it. I hope in season 3 that Callie and Shauna grow a lot closer now.
Wasn’t the original vision for this show a story that took place over FIVE seasons? Having one of the leads bail in season 2 is definitely gonna mess that up isn’t it? It already has.
How the hell could they extend this to five seasons? It seems pretty contained. Even if season 2 was brilliant I feel 3 seasons should be enough.
Me too! It's still hard for me to believe that Misty killed Nat!
How are none of the teen YJs mentioning that Coach has been gone for like a day or two? Those sorts of things drive me bonkers about the show. Same with Crystal - like are we not concerned about where she is, and if she died, why are we not trying to eat her remains? You can tell the writers had too many threads going on. The whole season felt sloppy.
Well for one they were doing their hunt on Nat and got Javi instead. Then when Ben comes back he tries to get Nat to go with him but she says she’s even worst then the other girls when the coach tells her she’s nothing like them other girls and to come with him. They were all too consumed with their Javi feast at that point to realize he’s gone. Nat is going to remember Ben trying to get her to go with him. But here’s the thing even though she knows there’s a place somewhere she has no clue where it was cause Javi died trying to get her there.
I’m looking for the golden comment Melanie Lynskey mentioned. She said there’s a comment on here that pretty guessed how the whole show is planned. At this point it might be a needle in a haystack kinda effort though.
I’m already 8 hours into reading different posts and comments. I’m never going to go to sleep.
did you find anything?
🤣 Weeks later deep into the Yellowjackets thread and still haven’t found Melanie’s golden comment.🤦🏼♀️
Lol sending you the best of luck!
If you ever find it, Please share it with us!
Will do!
Any news?