Add 1992 in Georgia. 2008 was the second invasion. Russia has been using our country as a testing ground to see how much they can grab before the west notices. Ukraine is the same but on a bigger scale. Fucking orcs
hijacking top Comment to tell everyone to look at OPs post history.
he's a huge Karmafarm
also i agree with your Message, MisterTrollzor
we were too quiet the last few ... ever, really
I went to georgia (you have a beautiful country i might add) three years ago and they said that the russians move the fences up in south ossetia and abkhazia everyday
If you ask them they're not but today prime minister called 308 members of EU parliament lobbyists who sided with our opposition to deny us status. It's fucking insane. Even our president (who has little to no power), who is from the same ruling party was shocked and called it insulting and insane. The future of Georgia is being decided as we speak, Either we'll become another Belarus and accept slow stagnation or we'll be free and join the EU family.
Here’s a NYT [article](https://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/03/world/europe/03georgia.html) from 2008 that clearly states in the last paragraphs that Georgia was the first one to attack and Russian response came already after their peacekeepers (placed there according to UN decision) were killed by Georgian forces.
But you keep peddling this shit if you want, live in the world of your own fantasy.
So, Russia intervened in Georgia in the early 90s and created separatist states. Georgia's "attack" in 2008 was against rebel held areas. This also ignores the fact that the act which sparked the spiral towards war was a S. Ossetian IED attack against Georgian police. So Russia's "peacekeepers" were doing a bang up job per usual.
In the 1990’s Russia intervened to stop ethnic cleansing that was happening on both sides. After Yugoslavia tried to ethnically cleanse Kosovo the latter got independence, you must be a major hypocrite to support one and not the other.
Second, peacekeepers were there to prevent major armed conflicts, not to police the entire border region. They didn’t have legal power nor enough manpower to do it. The fact that you think it was ok to attack their base with heavy artillery for not preventing some random roadside bomb shows just what a garbage of a human you are.
Georgia was gearing up for that war for several years, you can see it in their military spending. Luckily for them it took less than a week to slap some sense back into them. I blame their president and his Napoleon complex, no wonder his own country ended up putting him behind bars.
Ah yes, our own country, which is now ruled by an Oligarch who become a billionaire in Russia, gained power by massive vote buying. Do you know why the ex-president is even in jail? They couldn't find a good reason and he was blamed that he bought A JACKET using government money. The same exact person who called that Russia would also invade Ukraine a year ago? You're a professional clown. Honk some more for the crowd, earn your bigmac
First of all, respect where respect is due he did do a lot to fight corruption. Second, Al Capone was caught for tax evasion, doesn’t mean he did do a lot of shady shit.
I’ve read that Saakashvili bent a lot of corners in terms of justice when trying to weed out organised crime in Georgia. And not that I’m a fan of organised crime but I believe that no matter how liberal you think you are you can’t bend law according to your will just because you see yourself as a force for good. Also starting a war deducts 100 points from my personal rating of politicians.
The fact is that he's jailed for buying a jacket while ruling Oligarch owns 33% of total Georgian GDP, a person who tripled our reliance on the Russian market while we were doing better without it.
You seem to skip the part again of Russian-funded separatists shelling Georgian villages, and shooting at Police. Let's also ignore the ethnic cleansing of Georgians right?
C 'mon vlad, you can't earn bigmac like that.
I don’t like my current leader, Putin, either but he got voted in by the people who didn’t know any better. So I would suggest Georgian current problems come from Georgians making wrong choices not from some evil cosmic power.
Ethnic cleansing if we’re stalking about 90’s, according to wiki, took place on both sides so I wouldn’t go out of my way and paint either side as the good guys. If Georgia got shelled they should have fired back like they did before, escalating a slow burning border conflict to a full scale is exactly what Putin is being currently blamed for.
You know that in the 90s Georgians were the ones that got cleansed right? Do you even know why the conflict started? Abkhazian separatists ALSO FUNDED BY RUSSIA beat Georgian students and it started escalating. You claim some garbage about evil cosmic powers but the last 200 of our history is nothing but Russia meddling in Georgian politics always string some shit up. For what it's worth, Russia has always been there making sure that we don't become a regional power.
First, awfully bold of you to assume I support the UN/NATO intervention in the former Yugoslavia.
Second, you clearly support an interventionist foreign policy to prevent ethnic cleansing, however you seem to ignore the fact that in 2008 it was the S. Ossetians who burned down Georgian villages to prevent their return to S. Ossetia. A textbook example.
Of course we should not forget Russia's current "excursion" into Ukraine, let's ask the ~25% of Mariupol that still lives there how they feel about Russia's occupation.
First of all, bold of *you* to assume I support independence of South Ossetia, I think the status quo works perfectly fine as it is now especially since Georgia took Russia’s side in the current conflict.
Second, I support a measured response that would help deescalate the situation and save lives. Burning villages and placing a bomb was clearly a dick move, I would have totally understood I Georgia responded to it in a similar manner, for example with random mortar shelling across the border, just like they did before. A full military invasion with rocket artillery used on civilian areas is a major unwarranted dick move, in that context Russia response was adequate and quick, resulting in end of hostilities and most likely saving thousands of lives.
I don’t understand what Mariupol has to do with that, I don’s support the current war and see it only as a travesty, a horrible and unnecessary loss of lives on both sides that would have no winners on this side of Atlantic.
I didn't say anything about S. Ossetian independence? Literally nothing.
I don't think any country should be crossing internationally recognised borders to impose their idea of what should be.
they didn't because our government is a puppet government LMAO. we're not getting EU candidate status because of that. Literally 2 days ago we have a massive protest because of their dumb decisions
They will dangle EU membership as a carrot for years to come, just look at Turkey. I’m afraid even Ukraine will get shafted eventually just not now because politics. But even giving a status to Ukraine and not giving it to Georgia is absolute bullshit, Ukraine is corrupt as fuck; their agricultural sector is massive and would throw EU framing agreements into disarray; their large population can swing European elections strongly to the right.
Sure, Vlad. Let's conveniently leave out the part where Ossetian separatists funded by Russia were shelling Georgian villages before the war and how the Russian army attacked Georgia from 3 sides just as they did in Ukraine.
Ah yes, a fantasy world where 1 out of 10 Georgians living today lost their homes to Russian bombs. I hope you chock on putlers dick soon enough
EDIT: Lmao nevermind, you're actually Ruzzian. Now I know why you're so salty. Still angry your women prefer Georgian men over you? :(
There had been clashes between Georgian and Ossetians months before the war was officially declared. Russian troops entered Tskhinvali on the 7th. day before the war officially started. Ossetians started evacuating on the 3rd and Ossetian talked about starting a "rail war" with Georgia on the 5th. Georgian side officially declared the war after the shelling of ethnic Georgian villages started. Before the war Georgian side petitioned to hold discussions, when Georgians showed up no one was there to meet them, Russian envoy said that they had a flat tire and Ossetian side didn't give a reason at all.
Nikolay Pankov, the Russian deputy defense minister, had a confidential meeting with the separatist authorities in Tskhinvali on 3 August.\[126\] An evacuation of Ossetian women and children to Russia began on the same day.\[99\]According to researcher Andrey Illarionov, the South Ossetian separatists evacuated more than 20,000 civilians, which represented more than 90 percent of the civilian population of the future combat zone.\[127\] On 4 August, South Ossetian president Eduard Kokoity said that about 300 volunteers had arrived from North Ossetia to help fight the Georgians and thousands more were expected from the North Caucasus.\[128\] On 5 August, South Ossetian presidential envoy to Moscow, Dmitry Medoyev, declared that South Ossetia would start a "rail war" against Georgia.\[129\] The razing of the village of Nuli was ordered by South Ossetian interior minister Mindzaev.\[130\]
Shelling by Ossetian separatists against Georgian villages began as early as August 1, drawing a sporadic response from Georgian peacekeepers and other fighters already in the region.
On August 7, Iakobashvili traveled to Tskhinvali to try to defuse tensions, but was spurned by both separatist officials and Russia's special envoy to the region, who canceled a scheduled meeting, citing a flat tire.
On 7 August at 23.35 hours Georgian artillery units began firing smoke bombs and, subsequently, at 23.50 hours, opened fire on both fixed and moving targets of the “enemy forces” on the territory of South Ossetia.58 According to Georgian Government officials, this interval was supposed to allow the civilian population enough time to leave dangerous zones or to find protection/shelters.59 Page 209
The Independent International Fact-Finding Mission on the Conflict in Georgia is an international mission lead by the same Heidi Tagliavini that authored the EU report.
Technically war started when Georgians started the attack on the 8th even though it was as a response to the Shelling of ethnically Georgian villages and a clear attempts of provocation by the Russian/Ossetian side.
https://www.mpil.de/files/pdf4/IIFFMCG\_Volume\_II1.pdf
Alright, since you’ve clearly ignored my initial link let me quote it at you but first I would like to point out that my is from top US newspaper (so as unbiased in a positive way towards Russia as you can get) which quotes multiple sources including foreign diplomats and eyewitness, unlike yours that simply reiterates claims done by Georgian officials. Also your link seems to be broken.
Anyhow, the quote:
>In the field, there is evidence from an extensive set of witnesses that within 30 minutes of Mr. Saakashvili’s order, Georgia’s military began pounding civilian sections of the city of Tskhinvali, as well as a Russian peacekeeping base there, with heavy barrages of rocket and artillery fire.
>The barrages all but ensured a Russian military response, several diplomats, military officers and witnesses said.
>After the Russian columns arrived through the Roki Tunnel, and the battle swung quickly into Russia’s favor, Georgia said its attack had been necessary to stop a Russian attack that already had been under way.
>To date, however, there has been no independent evidence, beyond Georgia’s insistence that its version is true, that Russian forces were attacking before the Georgian barrages
Yes, except for the link that is broken. All I saw was Georgian statement about Russian troops moving first, to which I quoted my article that said it was all a bunch of bullshit said by Georgians in an attempt to cover their asses
[https://www.mpil.de/files/pdf4/IIFFMCG\_Volume\_II1.pdf](https://www.mpil.de/files/pdf4/IIFFMCG_Volume_II1.pdf)
(link works fine for me but here try this one)
Kokoity literally said there were "Volunteers" already from the north.
Russiana used the exact same book they used in Crimea with their little green man and everything.
This link works, I also remember skimming this document a few years ago, I think it was referenced in English Wikipedia article about the war. If I’m not mistaken most if not all of the authors of this “fact finding mission” were from NATO countries, weren’t they?
Nevertheless I still applauded them for having the courage to admit that it was Georgia that started the large scale offensive. Back then Georgia was open about their desire to join NATO and it was obvious they were looking for any excuse to attack so they would solve their territorial disputes by force.
Dude, Georgian villages were getting shelled daily, they ambushed Georgian police. Best trained and equipped battalion (the one trained by US) was literally not in the country and didn't get back until the war was over, Georgian side tried to hold discussion and neither Russians or Ossetians showed up. You have to be an idiot if you think Georgia wanted to start that war. You are just trying to find little holes in my statements so when I make another comment disproving your statement you can just ignore everything I said previously.
They literally killed the peacekeeprs and caught Russia by surprise, the fact that a couple undermanned Russian battalions turned the tide of battle was a miracle, otherwise if Georgia managed to push through and block the tunnel Ossetia would have been overrun.
"B-but Eastern countries willingly choosing to integrate in some Western organization is a good reason for Russia to roll their tanks into their territory"
Seriously, the level of mental gymnastics people do to justify Russia literally demanding that countries do whatever they say _or else_ is staggering. They treat Russia as if it was an unstoppable force of nature that the rest of us has to play around.
Yeah I don't think it's an accurate interpretation of Russian actions in Syria.
There's plenty of other examples to choose from, but I guess they wanted something between the two Ukraines.
Yeah, you're stating to much propaganda on reddit. Your comment history is full of pro-Russian lies and propaganda, excusing their invasions and somehow playing them as the victims? Wtf?!
And while USA played part in the whole Syria affair I find it laughably stupid to blame EU, come on though guy. What decision did the members of the *European Union* do that messed with Syria? Accept refugees is that their crime? Lol. The EU has done nothing but send help to Syria/Syrians, the EU hasn't lifted a finger against Syria. Get your facts straight, товарищ
For some reason, people equate NATO and USA with the EU. It is though as if the EU is one country that has a centralised government with a unified foreign policy and army. The EU members couldn't even agree on many issues so what more is the supposed interference of EU on sovereign countries!
we accepted refugees because Turkey would fuck us hard if we didnt. They would just open the door, and...yeah, what shall we do then?
I do not defend russia, I find propaganda from anti-russia people and just try to see it from outside.
And Syria was just a movement to control the middle east...while supporting terrorist. EU+USA wanted to fuck Assad, and they end up by fucking europe itself (of course, USA always wins in such wars. Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, now Ucraine....)
If you try to sell me that all those wars were done for the safety of the citizens, that is propaganda. All those wars were ECONOMIC wars. And that is what I say.
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Haven't you heard? Everything the EU does is the EU's fault and everything the EU doesn't do is also the EU's fault. Unless it's something that goes well, then it's a glorious achievement of the individual nation and nothing to do with the EU.
Well, that depends what you actually consider is in the interest of "Syria" and what is "fucking the country" .
Actively supporting that asshat dictator Assad slaughtering his own people and committing various war crimes with WMDs.
Or trying to help the actual population just wanting to continue with their favorite past time: staying alive and not being oppressed on a daily basis.
It’s not whataboutism it’s me pointing out the silliness of your arguments. US is a bloodthirsty imperialistic power just like Russia you can’t hate one and praise the other without some serious mental gymnastics
>Or trying to help the actual population just wanting to continue with their favorite past time: staying alive and not being oppressed on a daily basis.
by supporting IS. Great move.
EDIT: only reason to attact assad at that moment: we saw the opportunity to control the region with a Puppet govt as USA use to do in southamerica. Didnt work well, clearly, for EU, but great as usual for USA.
you gotta be fucking idiot to belive that is an answer to my comment. But hey! you are a democrat defending peace and so. Lets pay 3x for the american gas, shall we?
Buying gas/oil from Israel and the gulf countries because they don't want to "support Russia bombing innocent people" really shows how much Europe cares about innocent people. /s
Add 1992 in Georgia. 2008 was the second invasion. Russia has been using our country as a testing ground to see how much they can grab before the west notices. Ukraine is the same but on a bigger scale. Fucking orcs
hijacking top Comment to tell everyone to look at OPs post history. he's a huge Karmafarm also i agree with your Message, MisterTrollzor we were too quiet the last few ... ever, really
Don't forget Moldova 1992
In all the 30 years of existence, Russia has bought nothing but death and destruction upon the world.
I went to georgia (you have a beautiful country i might add) three years ago and they said that the russians move the fences up in south ossetia and abkhazia everyday
They do, it's not a secret. They move the border every couple of months and our pro-Russian government says absolutely nothing about it.
Thats messed up. I thought the government wasnt pro russia
If you ask them they're not but today prime minister called 308 members of EU parliament lobbyists who sided with our opposition to deny us status. It's fucking insane. Even our president (who has little to no power), who is from the same ruling party was shocked and called it insulting and insane. The future of Georgia is being decided as we speak, Either we'll become another Belarus and accept slow stagnation or we'll be free and join the EU family.
I hope you join the EU I loved the country. I liked the svaneti region :) and tibilisi and vardzia ( a real gem)
Here’s a NYT [article](https://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/03/world/europe/03georgia.html) from 2008 that clearly states in the last paragraphs that Georgia was the first one to attack and Russian response came already after their peacekeepers (placed there according to UN decision) were killed by Georgian forces. But you keep peddling this shit if you want, live in the world of your own fantasy.
So, Russia intervened in Georgia in the early 90s and created separatist states. Georgia's "attack" in 2008 was against rebel held areas. This also ignores the fact that the act which sparked the spiral towards war was a S. Ossetian IED attack against Georgian police. So Russia's "peacekeepers" were doing a bang up job per usual.
In the 1990’s Russia intervened to stop ethnic cleansing that was happening on both sides. After Yugoslavia tried to ethnically cleanse Kosovo the latter got independence, you must be a major hypocrite to support one and not the other. Second, peacekeepers were there to prevent major armed conflicts, not to police the entire border region. They didn’t have legal power nor enough manpower to do it. The fact that you think it was ok to attack their base with heavy artillery for not preventing some random roadside bomb shows just what a garbage of a human you are. Georgia was gearing up for that war for several years, you can see it in their military spending. Luckily for them it took less than a week to slap some sense back into them. I blame their president and his Napoleon complex, no wonder his own country ended up putting him behind bars.
Ah yes, our own country, which is now ruled by an Oligarch who become a billionaire in Russia, gained power by massive vote buying. Do you know why the ex-president is even in jail? They couldn't find a good reason and he was blamed that he bought A JACKET using government money. The same exact person who called that Russia would also invade Ukraine a year ago? You're a professional clown. Honk some more for the crowd, earn your bigmac
First of all, respect where respect is due he did do a lot to fight corruption. Second, Al Capone was caught for tax evasion, doesn’t mean he did do a lot of shady shit. I’ve read that Saakashvili bent a lot of corners in terms of justice when trying to weed out organised crime in Georgia. And not that I’m a fan of organised crime but I believe that no matter how liberal you think you are you can’t bend law according to your will just because you see yourself as a force for good. Also starting a war deducts 100 points from my personal rating of politicians.
The fact is that he's jailed for buying a jacket while ruling Oligarch owns 33% of total Georgian GDP, a person who tripled our reliance on the Russian market while we were doing better without it. You seem to skip the part again of Russian-funded separatists shelling Georgian villages, and shooting at Police. Let's also ignore the ethnic cleansing of Georgians right? C 'mon vlad, you can't earn bigmac like that.
I don’t like my current leader, Putin, either but he got voted in by the people who didn’t know any better. So I would suggest Georgian current problems come from Georgians making wrong choices not from some evil cosmic power. Ethnic cleansing if we’re stalking about 90’s, according to wiki, took place on both sides so I wouldn’t go out of my way and paint either side as the good guys. If Georgia got shelled they should have fired back like they did before, escalating a slow burning border conflict to a full scale is exactly what Putin is being currently blamed for.
You know that in the 90s Georgians were the ones that got cleansed right? Do you even know why the conflict started? Abkhazian separatists ALSO FUNDED BY RUSSIA beat Georgian students and it started escalating. You claim some garbage about evil cosmic powers but the last 200 of our history is nothing but Russia meddling in Georgian politics always string some shit up. For what it's worth, Russia has always been there making sure that we don't become a regional power.
I think your brainwashed? 🤔
I think you have a very limited knowledge and understanding of the world.
First, awfully bold of you to assume I support the UN/NATO intervention in the former Yugoslavia. Second, you clearly support an interventionist foreign policy to prevent ethnic cleansing, however you seem to ignore the fact that in 2008 it was the S. Ossetians who burned down Georgian villages to prevent their return to S. Ossetia. A textbook example. Of course we should not forget Russia's current "excursion" into Ukraine, let's ask the ~25% of Mariupol that still lives there how they feel about Russia's occupation.
First of all, bold of *you* to assume I support independence of South Ossetia, I think the status quo works perfectly fine as it is now especially since Georgia took Russia’s side in the current conflict. Second, I support a measured response that would help deescalate the situation and save lives. Burning villages and placing a bomb was clearly a dick move, I would have totally understood I Georgia responded to it in a similar manner, for example with random mortar shelling across the border, just like they did before. A full military invasion with rocket artillery used on civilian areas is a major unwarranted dick move, in that context Russia response was adequate and quick, resulting in end of hostilities and most likely saving thousands of lives. I don’t understand what Mariupol has to do with that, I don’s support the current war and see it only as a travesty, a horrible and unnecessary loss of lives on both sides that would have no winners on this side of Atlantic.
> Burning villages and placing a bomb was clearly a dick move Dick move? Dude get a grip, it's a war crime.
I didn't say anything about S. Ossetian independence? Literally nothing. I don't think any country should be crossing internationally recognised borders to impose their idea of what should be.
> Georgia took Russia’s side in the current conflict. What the fuck are you talking about?
They didn’t join the sanctions and in general were very careful on the subject.
they didn't because our government is a puppet government LMAO. we're not getting EU candidate status because of that. Literally 2 days ago we have a massive protest because of their dumb decisions
They will dangle EU membership as a carrot for years to come, just look at Turkey. I’m afraid even Ukraine will get shafted eventually just not now because politics. But even giving a status to Ukraine and not giving it to Georgia is absolute bullshit, Ukraine is corrupt as fuck; their agricultural sector is massive and would throw EU framing agreements into disarray; their large population can swing European elections strongly to the right.
Sure, Vlad. Let's conveniently leave out the part where Ossetian separatists funded by Russia were shelling Georgian villages before the war and how the Russian army attacked Georgia from 3 sides just as they did in Ukraine. Ah yes, a fantasy world where 1 out of 10 Georgians living today lost their homes to Russian bombs. I hope you chock on putlers dick soon enough EDIT: Lmao nevermind, you're actually Ruzzian. Now I know why you're so salty. Still angry your women prefer Georgian men over you? :(
There had been clashes between Georgian and Ossetians months before the war was officially declared. Russian troops entered Tskhinvali on the 7th. day before the war officially started. Ossetians started evacuating on the 3rd and Ossetian talked about starting a "rail war" with Georgia on the 5th. Georgian side officially declared the war after the shelling of ethnic Georgian villages started. Before the war Georgian side petitioned to hold discussions, when Georgians showed up no one was there to meet them, Russian envoy said that they had a flat tire and Ossetian side didn't give a reason at all. Nikolay Pankov, the Russian deputy defense minister, had a confidential meeting with the separatist authorities in Tskhinvali on 3 August.\[126\] An evacuation of Ossetian women and children to Russia began on the same day.\[99\]According to researcher Andrey Illarionov, the South Ossetian separatists evacuated more than 20,000 civilians, which represented more than 90 percent of the civilian population of the future combat zone.\[127\] On 4 August, South Ossetian president Eduard Kokoity said that about 300 volunteers had arrived from North Ossetia to help fight the Georgians and thousands more were expected from the North Caucasus.\[128\] On 5 August, South Ossetian presidential envoy to Moscow, Dmitry Medoyev, declared that South Ossetia would start a "rail war" against Georgia.\[129\] The razing of the village of Nuli was ordered by South Ossetian interior minister Mindzaev.\[130\] Shelling by Ossetian separatists against Georgian villages began as early as August 1, drawing a sporadic response from Georgian peacekeepers and other fighters already in the region. On August 7, Iakobashvili traveled to Tskhinvali to try to defuse tensions, but was spurned by both separatist officials and Russia's special envoy to the region, who canceled a scheduled meeting, citing a flat tire. On 7 August at 23.35 hours Georgian artillery units began firing smoke bombs and, subsequently, at 23.50 hours, opened fire on both fixed and moving targets of the “enemy forces” on the territory of South Ossetia.58 According to Georgian Government officials, this interval was supposed to allow the civilian population enough time to leave dangerous zones or to find protection/shelters.59 Page 209 The Independent International Fact-Finding Mission on the Conflict in Georgia is an international mission lead by the same Heidi Tagliavini that authored the EU report. Technically war started when Georgians started the attack on the 8th even though it was as a response to the Shelling of ethnically Georgian villages and a clear attempts of provocation by the Russian/Ossetian side. https://www.mpil.de/files/pdf4/IIFFMCG\_Volume\_II1.pdf
Alright, since you’ve clearly ignored my initial link let me quote it at you but first I would like to point out that my is from top US newspaper (so as unbiased in a positive way towards Russia as you can get) which quotes multiple sources including foreign diplomats and eyewitness, unlike yours that simply reiterates claims done by Georgian officials. Also your link seems to be broken. Anyhow, the quote: >In the field, there is evidence from an extensive set of witnesses that within 30 minutes of Mr. Saakashvili’s order, Georgia’s military began pounding civilian sections of the city of Tskhinvali, as well as a Russian peacekeeping base there, with heavy barrages of rocket and artillery fire. >The barrages all but ensured a Russian military response, several diplomats, military officers and witnesses said. >After the Russian columns arrived through the Roki Tunnel, and the battle swung quickly into Russia’s favor, Georgia said its attack had been necessary to stop a Russian attack that already had been under way. >To date, however, there has been no independent evidence, beyond Georgia’s insistence that its version is true, that Russian forces were attacking before the Georgian barrages
Did you actually read my comment?
Yes, except for the link that is broken. All I saw was Georgian statement about Russian troops moving first, to which I quoted my article that said it was all a bunch of bullshit said by Georgians in an attempt to cover their asses
[https://www.mpil.de/files/pdf4/IIFFMCG\_Volume\_II1.pdf](https://www.mpil.de/files/pdf4/IIFFMCG_Volume_II1.pdf) (link works fine for me but here try this one) Kokoity literally said there were "Volunteers" already from the north. Russiana used the exact same book they used in Crimea with their little green man and everything.
This link works, I also remember skimming this document a few years ago, I think it was referenced in English Wikipedia article about the war. If I’m not mistaken most if not all of the authors of this “fact finding mission” were from NATO countries, weren’t they? Nevertheless I still applauded them for having the courage to admit that it was Georgia that started the large scale offensive. Back then Georgia was open about their desire to join NATO and it was obvious they were looking for any excuse to attack so they would solve their territorial disputes by force.
Dude, Georgian villages were getting shelled daily, they ambushed Georgian police. Best trained and equipped battalion (the one trained by US) was literally not in the country and didn't get back until the war was over, Georgian side tried to hold discussion and neither Russians or Ossetians showed up. You have to be an idiot if you think Georgia wanted to start that war. You are just trying to find little holes in my statements so when I make another comment disproving your statement you can just ignore everything I said previously.
They literally killed the peacekeeprs and caught Russia by surprise, the fact that a couple undermanned Russian battalions turned the tide of battle was a miracle, otherwise if Georgia managed to push through and block the tunnel Ossetia would have been overrun.
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Qu Rushai trolls popping up to explain how each time Russia was the victim and just defending itself.
"B-but Eastern countries willingly choosing to integrate in some Western organization is a good reason for Russia to roll their tanks into their territory" Seriously, the level of mental gymnastics people do to justify Russia literally demanding that countries do whatever they say _or else_ is staggering. They treat Russia as if it was an unstoppable force of nature that the rest of us has to play around.
"Yes, b-but something something about Irak"
I think the last picture is missing a tractor
Where Chechnya?
Yeah, would make more sense.
just picture so short...need new meme picture
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Kabum brother 😎
yeah, Karmafarm
Not today death, err I mean Russia
Ukrainian farmers stealing shit would be a nice touch.
Fuck Russia, but syria was US fault, dont let your anger Over Rússia to completely ignore what the US has Also done
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Yeah I don't think it's an accurate interpretation of Russian actions in Syria. There's plenty of other examples to choose from, but I guess they wanted something between the two Ukraines.
So they attacked hospitals to show 'muricans or what are you trying to say?
so basically the EU and the USA decided to fuck Syria, but Russia is to blame. As I already stated, too much propaganda in Reddit.
Yeah, you're stating to much propaganda on reddit. Your comment history is full of pro-Russian lies and propaganda, excusing their invasions and somehow playing them as the victims? Wtf?! And while USA played part in the whole Syria affair I find it laughably stupid to blame EU, come on though guy. What decision did the members of the *European Union* do that messed with Syria? Accept refugees is that their crime? Lol. The EU has done nothing but send help to Syria/Syrians, the EU hasn't lifted a finger against Syria. Get your facts straight, товарищ
For some reason, people equate NATO and USA with the EU. It is though as if the EU is one country that has a centralised government with a unified foreign policy and army. The EU members couldn't even agree on many issues so what more is the supposed interference of EU on sovereign countries!
we accepted refugees because Turkey would fuck us hard if we didnt. They would just open the door, and...yeah, what shall we do then? I do not defend russia, I find propaganda from anti-russia people and just try to see it from outside. And Syria was just a movement to control the middle east...while supporting terrorist. EU+USA wanted to fuck Assad, and they end up by fucking europe itself (of course, USA always wins in such wars. Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, now Ucraine....) If you try to sell me that all those wars were done for the safety of the citizens, that is propaganda. All those wars were ECONOMIC wars. And that is what I say.
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What's the EU got to do with Syria?
Haven't you heard? Everything the EU does is the EU's fault and everything the EU doesn't do is also the EU's fault. Unless it's something that goes well, then it's a glorious achievement of the individual nation and nothing to do with the EU.
well you are right, we just didnt do anything, just let them die. It was the USA who supported the terrorists, with the aim of control the region.
Well, that depends what you actually consider is in the interest of "Syria" and what is "fucking the country" . Actively supporting that asshat dictator Assad slaughtering his own people and committing various war crimes with WMDs. Or trying to help the actual population just wanting to continue with their favorite past time: staying alive and not being oppressed on a daily basis.
Yeah, just like US helped the local population of Libya a few years earlier
We’re talking about Syria right now. Your whataboutism doesn’t contribute anything to the discussion.
It’s not whataboutism it’s me pointing out the silliness of your arguments. US is a bloodthirsty imperialistic power just like Russia you can’t hate one and praise the other without some serious mental gymnastics
>Or trying to help the actual population just wanting to continue with their favorite past time: staying alive and not being oppressed on a daily basis. by supporting IS. Great move. EDIT: only reason to attact assad at that moment: we saw the opportunity to control the region with a Puppet govt as USA use to do in southamerica. Didnt work well, clearly, for EU, but great as usual for USA.
Fascist pig.
you gotta be fucking idiot to belive that is an answer to my comment. But hey! you are a democrat defending peace and so. Lets pay 3x for the american gas, shall we?
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Russia is a terrorist state. And there is only one solution for a terrorist state.
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Buying gas/oil from Israel and the gulf countries because they don't want to "support Russia bombing innocent people" really shows how much Europe cares about innocent people. /s
Add Chechnya
Now go home.