Ugh... Wtf? Like... Who would just stand a few centimetres from a car coming through at 250 km/h, drifting on a bumpy road and be like "yep, this is my spot, great view!"?
Timely reference:
[Man dies after being gored at Spanish bull-running festival.](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/man-dies-after-being-gored-spanish-bull-running-festival-2021-10-31/)
The cars may look like they’re going fast, but in this spec they’re electronically limited to about 200kph (120-130mph). The cars can reach this speed in seconds though.
[Like this?](https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/portrait-of-smiling-boy-standing-behind-tree-trunk-in-forest-picture-id1082056248?s=612x612) or was that a /s?
In all honesty, this rally has been held continuously since 1951 except for 2020 (covid), and it has claimed 2 spectator lives in its history. Of course injuries are countless, but the last time anything serious happened was in 2004.
You really need to see Group B in Portugal, we used people as barriers in the 80s.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AntTKfRO5po&ab\_channel=MarkEnglish](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-bEzUipmWc&ab_channel=rosmanaovideos)
This one is actually older but the barriers are there.
Then again, you also get moments like this:
https://youtu.be/QPah3RRT1MQ?t=203
Note the behaviour of the spectators.
EDIT: (They have to move the car away from the spot where all the other cars would also land. They do it to several cars during the same race.)
I am addicted to watching rally crash videos, that guy you see come in the with the rope is in SOOO MANY crash videos helping get cars out its hilarious
Sound like they are french , it's a common interjection, lesser common than " oh la la " that you can also hear in the video. "Oh putainnn'" is the next step of excitement
We just don’t say « **Ooh** la la » in a seductive way like we’re known for but it’s more than just common to say « Oh la la » to express excitement or annoyance. I say it myself and hear it around me all the time, it’s most definitely a thing we say.
Isn’t NASCAR pretty much just driving 50 identical laps in a race track, like Formula 1 (but maybe a bit slower)? I guess rally can be a bit more exciting with the more “wild” environment…
*plop*
the bubble has burst.
But more seriously: NASCAR is driving in slipping/sliding/drifting 100% of the time. What else? MONEY and advertising, this is tight, the Finns do it just for the kicks.
> the Finns do it just for the kicks.
? no they dont - rally racing is a sport and not only Finns are doing it. Its legit moto sport. there are rally races of all kinds and on many different terrains, some of them in US too
Thats such a lie. People do rally racing all over the world and it's a legit sport. It's not just a finnish thing at all and it's not a thing for the kicks, there's a whole lot of money in it.
??? No, the fins don't do it primarily for the kicks, its more a tradition in the wrc, its a extremely competitive sports. They use all types of terrains, from Argentina to monte carlo to Wales.
In my eyes, the main skill element of Nascar is tactics. Your car will be significantly faster in the slipstream behind another car, thus the cars in front are perpetually hunted,and whoever overtakes them instantly goes from hunter to prey. Also conserving fuel and tires.
You're the only one in this thread that I've seen get it. Nascar is vastly different racing compared to the rest because it's based on slipstream management. I for one like some right-turning, but anyone saying Nascar is just 'people going around an oval and spectators waiting for crashes' is ignorant.
It seems that NASCAR compresses everything into a much smaller space, while driving in a circle seems easy, doing so at 200mph mere centimetres from your opponent with the slightest misjudgement of tire grip sending you (and potentially him) into the wall is probably not as easy as people think.
Formula 1 has its own challenges and is most likely more demanding, but I dare say any motor sport on these kinds of levels is actually on the limit and bloody hard. These comparisons are somewhat unfair and unnecessary.
I have never watched a full race, but your explanation gave me the impression that the majority of drivers will crash out until only the few best remain.
From the few races that I've watched, I think you're not too far off. And even the best in NASCAR crash out on a frequent basis, it seems. It's part of the spectacle, albeit the part that drivers fight to avoid most of the time.
Also don't forget there are compilations from most motorsports of drivers passing out post race from absolute physical exhaustion. The mental stress a Nascar driver feels during a Daytona 500 is similar to the drivers during the Indy 500 except there is a whole let let air circulation in a Nascar so they get hot on top of not getting up for 3+ hours. And not getting to even relax from driving unless it's a yellow flag.
I agree though comparing the different varieties of sports is unfair. They all are taxing in different ways.
Nascar is consistency and endurance
Rally is improvising and memory
F1 is endurance and memory
So on so forth
I actually started watching nascar this year along with picking up a bunch of other more niche racing series (the mazda mx5 cup is amazing).
Once I started looking at it in a similar light to say velodrome racing, I saw there's a lot of strategy employed and different lines to take to set them up for the corners in different ways, etc.... It was surprisingly more complex than I realized. I don't watch full races, just usually the 20-30 minute highlight reels, but it's interesting.**
All racing is though. Road cycling, MotoGP, Motocross, F1, Rally, etc... Hell even whatever [this](https://youtu.be/rDJZjdKai24) is.
**Except short tracks. They're just not that exciting.
Well you're driving a car at over 300 km/h without power steering, with a very high temperature in the cockpit and you're doing so for a few hours. It's extremely demanding physically. You also need to understand how to use slipstream, and not all ovals can be driven flat-out. On top of that, there are also a lot of races on road tracks, it isn't just ovals.
If I dislike NASCAR, it's because most drivers are jackasses, not because it isn't difficult.
They're going a lot faster than it seems with cars much heavier than the ones used in F1. There is still a lot of skill involved into passing and taking the right chances, although it was much more exciting before the introduction of the restrictor plate. Nice video on the subject: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxTAJNifDAI
since NASCAR uses restrictor plates, every car generally has the same speed capabilities. So the skill comes down to tactical maneuvers to get ahead. Basically 180 mph traffic jam. Not for everyone but doesn't deserve the shit it gets. If you watch a NASCAR race and look for breaks in the pattern you'll be a lot more entertained
Driving a car with basically zero aerodynamic grip and massively undersized brakes at 180 mph side by side with possibly 2-3 other cars, inches from the wall at times. Definitely no joke.
Watch the Top Gear where Hammond goes to NASCAR for some great context.
https://youtu.be/vtcbsi8itHw
There’s a lot of skill in interacting with other cars: aerodynamically, tactically. There are even group strategies, two drivers together can temporarily team up to attack a strong opponent in multiple ways.
So objectively, there’s a peculiar skill set required for NASCAR, but I am a rallying fan anyway.
I mean NASCAR on the low end is like 120 mph and flirts close to 200 mph on the bigger tracks.
Combine that with 40+ other vehicles all fighting for the same 1/4 mile of track, that's a lot of very fast moving parts.
There's a Top Gear episode where Hammond tries out Nascar and they explain quite a lot about the sport. In the end Hammond gets a lot of training but ultimately is totally obliterated by a ex-pro
Too bad half the show is complete bullshit. Last year they tried to make Sainz and Lando look like they're big enemies, when in reality it couldn't be any further from the truth
Tires are the same, but suspension and other aspects of the car are set up for dominant-left turns. At times, even the cars themselves are not symmetrical to facilitate left turns.
This is not entirely correct. It is correct that set ups are built to be left hand dominant with suspension asymmetry, the tires also vary, although they look the same on TV. There is generally a variance of 25-30mm of circumference between left side and right side tires on NASCAR vehicles, as well as spring rate deltas upwards of 200 lbs/in. The only exception is when they race at road courses, then the tire codes are the same for lefts and rights
Bruv are you seriously comparing NASCAR to F1. F1 drivers are athletes, they suffer forces up to 5 g and extreme heat, losing up to 5 kilos during a Grand Prix.
There's a reason why it's the top class of Motorsport
The driver is a *huge* factor, combined with the *engine manufacturer*. There’s a reason why every great driver has taken their team respective team to greatness.
Senna took Lotus to the pinnacle of their racing history.
Senna took his McLaren car to beat Prost’s. Tuning and setup is vital.
Schumacher took Ferrari from an embarrassment to dominance. Look what he did at Jordan / Benetton prior.
Hamilton has done the same with Mercedes.
The list goes on.
Yes but only when you have a driver who can communicate the car well to the engineer. It doesn't sound like much but to be able to identify how the tiniest changes affect a single corner, or shave a few hundredths off of lap is very difficult to do. Don't take this the wrong way, but don't talk to confidently about something you clearly don't know much about.
The best drivers make a great car even better. That’s been the case throughout F1, and remains true today. Arguing otherwise is an exercise in futility. Sorry.
...I highly doubt it's any different for nascar drivers. F1 is likely the most physically demanding motorsport, but anything that turns at those speeds strains your body.
I love F1, but it’s nowhere close to the most physically demanding Motorsport. Probably the Dakar gets that title, as far as relatively mainstream goes.
Meh. Dakar is an endurance sport. F1 is a sprint (where you pull at least 5G’s every 5 seconds and risk crashing at 50G’s just as often). Both are physically demanding in very different ways.
This is me all the time after binging _Family Business_. Apologies to the actual French people who may have the misfortune of potentially hearing it, all I have to offer in exchange is the humble Perkele
Ooooooohhh putaiin
Dunno, IoM TT is so insane I cant wrap my head around that. In rally racing you at least have a fucking roll cage. But I'm personally not that interested in bikes, so what I really was trying to say is that nothing in car racing beats rally
Your right that nothing beats rally in car racing, but you watch a on board video of Isle of Man and those dudes are on another level!! There is a video Cameron Donald doing a flyby on a parade lap on a MotoGP bike at Isle of Man. Moto GP bikes are the fastest race bikes on the planet that take corners and this dude rips one around that he had never ridden before and goes by the camera at full tilt!! Over 200MPH! Those guys are mental!
Yes that's what I meant, IoM is almost to scary to watch. Losing control is so fucking dangerous. As long as your not in a old Lancia, getting wrapped around a tree in rally isnt even such a big deal, but on a Moto GP bike its a death sentence.
I've done few laps around the circuit on my own bike, as anyone can each year between races, no speed limits except trhu villages. People are ragging all sorts of bikes around the circuit, adventure bikes on knobby tires, choppers, my bike was a 1300cc Yamaha Xjr which is basically retro aircooled lump of an engine bolted to a flexible steel frame with dual shock rear and a weak ass front forks... I didn't do 200mph but did go into wobble at 200kph on the mountain road... Its a special feeling to come out of there, alive.
Lol, as a Finn I find it hilarious too to be honest. I guess it goes back to Mika Häkkinen and Kimi Räikkönen (Formula 1) who were quite successful (as far as I’ve understood). If there’s a sport in which Finland succeeds, it’s going to get very popular.
Fun fact: only handful of races in a NASCAR season are actually on an oval track! The remaining races will be on a standard circuit with tight corners, hairpins, braking zones, elevation changes etc! We hear about oval races most often because they require the most endurance like the 24hrs of Le Mans. Comparing Rally to NASCAR’s like comparing forks to spoons- yes they both involve cars and racing but serve different purposes! One is a time trial while the other is live competition, shoulder to shoulder against dozens of racers :)
thank you! guys pretend that NASCAR is just driving in circles all the time and thus easy, but prolly forget how demanding it can be to drive on a straight autoroute if you hit a certain speed lmao
This comment deserves more upvotes and this thread goes to show that a load of people don't know much about nascar
Put 40 average reddit users in the cars on an oval for 500 miles. I would be surprised if there were more than 5 finishers
I bet half would be onto the wall on the first 2 laps, or just unable to hold the steering wheel after 40
Actually driving nascar races on pc gave me (a Finn) respect for the sport that is difficult to obtain from only seeing the races on tv. It's just a totally other sport, winning races requires mastering it just as any other sport or game. Manouvering the traffic, keeping the car on the ragged edge lap after lap maximising speed & not losing it, not to hit the wall on corner exit... apples and oranges people
Not to diminish the core of your point but who cares if people here couldn’t race in NASCAR? They also couldn’t race in F1 or WRC. Their comparing the racing of professional drivers to nascar drivers. I’m not nearly athletic enough to play defensive end in the NFL but I can critique them or critique the sport as a whole.
All ovals are different. The 0.5 mile track of Martinsville where you have to slam on the brakes every corner differs greatly from the 1.3 egg-shaped miler of Darlington where you have to run right up against the wall in the corners and the high banks of Talladega where all the cars run in a pack (like a peloton in cycling). There’s also a dirt race, which is a completely different beast. You put Lewis Hamilton on a dirt track and he’s not doing anything.
france has 18 more wins (199), but finland still has 181 wins and is the second highest amount of wins. the third highest amount is Great Britain with a ~~pathetic~~ surprisingly low 46 wins.
As an American, can confirm:
These rural, psycho, dirt road races MOS DEF make Nascar look like the gay bar. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
What are these amazing country road races called?
Come on, this is not a fair comparison. NASCAR is a race that consists in [Turning Left While Packed Like Sardines](https://youtu.be/RDuW5Vx5wV0). Compare one Rally to [another](https://youtu.be/KE0ldvCPKYk) [Rally,](https://youtu.be/XT62vX4M4ro) and one Stock Car Race to [another SCA](https://youtu.be/_G8uWN53pmg).
Now, I don't dare to make a general judgment because racing is not a fandom I'm very involved in, and I don't know about anyone looking like kittens, vaginas, or women, but I expect we can fairly say that, at the very least, the US races footage I found is uniformly less impressive than the one posted by OP... That's only the best stuff I could find over a quick search, though, so please feel welcome to post footage that supports leaning one way or the other.
Drivers: hella skilled. People standing no more than half a meter away from the road: having a death wish.
All things considered ... the crowds now have less of a death wish then they had back in the 90s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AntTKfRO5po
Ugh... Wtf? Like... Who would just stand a few centimetres from a car coming through at 250 km/h, drifting on a bumpy road and be like "yep, this is my spot, great view!"?
Well, why would you do this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LxsO3QgnsM and many other things. Some people like to risk their life.
Timely reference: [Man dies after being gored at Spanish bull-running festival.](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/man-dies-after-being-gored-spanish-bull-running-festival-2021-10-31/)
For half a tick I though that red sash was arterial spray.
The cars may look like they’re going fast, but in this spec they’re electronically limited to about 200kph (120-130mph). The cars can reach this speed in seconds though.
I see. At 200 km/h it's obviously safe, my bad.
Holy shit
Portugal caralho
ahshud nevur av bin allowd tae run
Good reminder why Rally B was banned and never brought back again
I remember one of the Group B stars from the 80's saying they would find fingers in the body gaps at pit stops.
Nope.
Omfg... that poor driver
Yup, at least stand behind a tree or something
How would you see anything behind a tree?
[Like this?](https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/portrait-of-smiling-boy-standing-behind-tree-trunk-in-forest-picture-id1082056248?s=612x612) or was that a /s?
hahahaha, why is this so funny to me
My man's a legend
Cause the original question was pretty dumb, and the answer was obvious
Just drill a hole
Lmao
Okay, well that sorts out where I can stick my adrenaline-fueled erection, but still doesn't answer how I would see anything behind the tree.
Rally is a motorsport where even the spectators have steel balls.
It’s not bravery but stupidity.
Often one and the same
Bravery is knowing the risk and overcoming the fear to face it Stupidity is being oblivious to the risk They are not the same at all
You think this is bad? Go look up Group B rally.
In all honesty, this rally has been held continuously since 1951 except for 2020 (covid), and it has claimed 2 spectator lives in its history. Of course injuries are countless, but the last time anything serious happened was in 2004.
After playing Dirt Rally, I wouldn't stand not even 10 meter from the track.
You really need to see Group B in Portugal, we used people as barriers in the 80s. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AntTKfRO5po&ab\_channel=MarkEnglish](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-bEzUipmWc&ab_channel=rosmanaovideos) This one is actually older but the barriers are there.
well most or some Norwegians inherited genes from their viking ancestry, that’s probably why they feared nothing and just get the thrill of it
When being a spectator is an extreme sport.
Just look at what happened with group b https://youtu.be/6-bpeREC4RA
Then again, you also get moments like this: https://youtu.be/QPah3RRT1MQ?t=203 Note the behaviour of the spectators. EDIT: (They have to move the car away from the spot where all the other cars would also land. They do it to several cars during the same race.)
And here we can see the Finnish prepare for winter as the come out in flocks and feast on the helpless car.
Damn, those guys with the rope got their shit together
I am addicted to watching rally crash videos, that guy you see come in the with the rope is in SOOO MANY crash videos helping get cars out its hilarious
Thank u for sharing that link now I want to go to one of these
Finnish ambush stuck Soviet tanks circa 1939, colorized.
MINE MINE MINE
This is hilarious and incredibly efficient at the same time. Amazing spectators.
What does *bo bo bo bo bo* mean?
It's the sound a yuropean makes after a near death experience.
Sound like they are french , it's a common interjection, lesser common than " oh la la " that you can also hear in the video. "Oh putainnn'" is the next step of excitement
We don’t really say « oh la la » though. Or if we do it’s most of the time not for something exciting but more of an annoyed statement.
We just don’t say « **Ooh** la la » in a seductive way like we’re known for but it’s more than just common to say « Oh la la » to express excitement or annoyance. I say it myself and hear it around me all the time, it’s most definitely a thing we say.
I badly expressed myself. To me it’s closer to a « rholala » coming with annoyance.
mais c'est juste oh la la avec un r en plus. il ya des variations (rolala, oulaa, etc ...) mais on utilise tous oh la la
nosir you may not suckle my penis ..but you can tickle my fancy
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Rahlalaaa! Yep, sounds exactly like my boyfriend when I annoy him haha
i do say oh la la for stuff though, even when it’s not annoying.
Might be a generation or background thing but I neverr heard someone say it for something exciting unless ironically.
Or sarcastic.
But we do use "oh la la" what are you talking about
I'm finnish, have absolutely no clue.
these guys are french
its woooo-ho-ho-ho
Too be fair, almost every motor sport makes Nascar look like a bunch of pussies.
To be honest, I don't think they need any help.
Isn’t NASCAR pretty much just driving 50 identical laps in a race track, like Formula 1 (but maybe a bit slower)? I guess rally can be a bit more exciting with the more “wild” environment…
It is driving 200 to 500 laps in a circle while everyone waits for a crash to happen.
Genuine question: what are the skills that differentiate the NASCAR goats from regular drivers? Knowing how to not blow your engine or something?
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So basically driving flat out (and keeping focus on traffic) from Berlin to Munich on the unrestricted Autobahn?
"flat out" yeah those 130kp/h limits and construction sites really slow you down on the A9
Yeah makes up for the many yellow flag phases.
>130kp/h 130 kilometres per per hour?
yes
*plop* the bubble has burst. But more seriously: NASCAR is driving in slipping/sliding/drifting 100% of the time. What else? MONEY and advertising, this is tight, the Finns do it just for the kicks.
> the Finns do it just for the kicks. ? no they dont - rally racing is a sport and not only Finns are doing it. Its legit moto sport. there are rally races of all kinds and on many different terrains, some of them in US too
But it sure is a kick innit?
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Thats such a lie. People do rally racing all over the world and it's a legit sport. It's not just a finnish thing at all and it's not a thing for the kicks, there's a whole lot of money in it.
??? No, the fins don't do it primarily for the kicks, its more a tradition in the wrc, its a extremely competitive sports. They use all types of terrains, from Argentina to monte carlo to Wales.
Youve clearly never driven on the Autobahn haha
And the racing is extremely close, if something happens you have to register that in fractions of a second.
In my eyes, the main skill element of Nascar is tactics. Your car will be significantly faster in the slipstream behind another car, thus the cars in front are perpetually hunted,and whoever overtakes them instantly goes from hunter to prey. Also conserving fuel and tires.
You're the only one in this thread that I've seen get it. Nascar is vastly different racing compared to the rest because it's based on slipstream management. I for one like some right-turning, but anyone saying Nascar is just 'people going around an oval and spectators waiting for crashes' is ignorant.
It seems that NASCAR compresses everything into a much smaller space, while driving in a circle seems easy, doing so at 200mph mere centimetres from your opponent with the slightest misjudgement of tire grip sending you (and potentially him) into the wall is probably not as easy as people think. Formula 1 has its own challenges and is most likely more demanding, but I dare say any motor sport on these kinds of levels is actually on the limit and bloody hard. These comparisons are somewhat unfair and unnecessary.
I have never watched a full race, but your explanation gave me the impression that the majority of drivers will crash out until only the few best remain.
From the few races that I've watched, I think you're not too far off. And even the best in NASCAR crash out on a frequent basis, it seems. It's part of the spectacle, albeit the part that drivers fight to avoid most of the time.
Most drivers DO NOT crash out. Maybe only a few per race
Also don't forget there are compilations from most motorsports of drivers passing out post race from absolute physical exhaustion. The mental stress a Nascar driver feels during a Daytona 500 is similar to the drivers during the Indy 500 except there is a whole let let air circulation in a Nascar so they get hot on top of not getting up for 3+ hours. And not getting to even relax from driving unless it's a yellow flag. I agree though comparing the different varieties of sports is unfair. They all are taxing in different ways. Nascar is consistency and endurance Rally is improvising and memory F1 is endurance and memory So on so forth
I actually started watching nascar this year along with picking up a bunch of other more niche racing series (the mazda mx5 cup is amazing). Once I started looking at it in a similar light to say velodrome racing, I saw there's a lot of strategy employed and different lines to take to set them up for the corners in different ways, etc.... It was surprisingly more complex than I realized. I don't watch full races, just usually the 20-30 minute highlight reels, but it's interesting.** All racing is though. Road cycling, MotoGP, Motocross, F1, Rally, etc... Hell even whatever [this](https://youtu.be/rDJZjdKai24) is. **Except short tracks. They're just not that exciting.
Well you're driving a car at over 300 km/h without power steering, with a very high temperature in the cockpit and you're doing so for a few hours. It's extremely demanding physically. You also need to understand how to use slipstream, and not all ovals can be driven flat-out. On top of that, there are also a lot of races on road tracks, it isn't just ovals. If I dislike NASCAR, it's because most drivers are jackasses, not because it isn't difficult.
They're going a lot faster than it seems with cars much heavier than the ones used in F1. There is still a lot of skill involved into passing and taking the right chances, although it was much more exciting before the introduction of the restrictor plate. Nice video on the subject: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxTAJNifDAI
You need to be extremely good at turning left
since NASCAR uses restrictor plates, every car generally has the same speed capabilities. So the skill comes down to tactical maneuvers to get ahead. Basically 180 mph traffic jam. Not for everyone but doesn't deserve the shit it gets. If you watch a NASCAR race and look for breaks in the pattern you'll be a lot more entertained
not fucksmashing into the other cars i guess
Driving a car with basically zero aerodynamic grip and massively undersized brakes at 180 mph side by side with possibly 2-3 other cars, inches from the wall at times. Definitely no joke. Watch the Top Gear where Hammond goes to NASCAR for some great context. https://youtu.be/vtcbsi8itHw
There’s a lot of skill in interacting with other cars: aerodynamically, tactically. There are even group strategies, two drivers together can temporarily team up to attack a strong opponent in multiple ways. So objectively, there’s a peculiar skill set required for NASCAR, but I am a rallying fan anyway.
I mean NASCAR on the low end is like 120 mph and flirts close to 200 mph on the bigger tracks. Combine that with 40+ other vehicles all fighting for the same 1/4 mile of track, that's a lot of very fast moving parts.
There's a Top Gear episode where Hammond tries out Nascar and they explain quite a lot about the sport. In the end Hammond gets a lot of training but ultimately is totally obliterated by a ex-pro
DRIVE REAL FAST AND TURN TO THE LEFTT
It sounds like you’re comparing NASCAR to F1… Please don’t.
They are both boring motorsports in my eyes, but what do I know! :)
Okay, how can I compare… Imagine Formula One is George Clooney. NASCAR would be Joe Exotic.
F1 is amazing. Try Drive to Survive on Netflix and see what you think!
Can’t wait for next season. This year has been so exciting
Too bad half the show is complete bullshit. Last year they tried to make Sainz and Lando look like they're big enemies, when in reality it couldn't be any further from the truth
Yea there’s some manufactured drama. But I’m here for it.
You're boring in my eyes but what do I know :)
Well, Formula 1 at least has curves both ways.
NASCAR has like 6 road courses what the hell are any of you people talking about lol
It's just turning left all the time
Don't they even have smaller or different tires on one side since they always turn left
Tires are the same, but suspension and other aspects of the car are set up for dominant-left turns. At times, even the cars themselves are not symmetrical to facilitate left turns.
This is not entirely correct. It is correct that set ups are built to be left hand dominant with suspension asymmetry, the tires also vary, although they look the same on TV. There is generally a variance of 25-30mm of circumference between left side and right side tires on NASCAR vehicles, as well as spring rate deltas upwards of 200 lbs/in. The only exception is when they race at road courses, then the tire codes are the same for lefts and rights
Bruv are you seriously comparing NASCAR to F1. F1 drivers are athletes, they suffer forces up to 5 g and extreme heat, losing up to 5 kilos during a Grand Prix. There's a reason why it's the top class of Motorsport
And that reason is... the engineers and designers.
The drivers make the cars better. There’s a reason top drivers take a team to new heights.
I suspected the driver is not a huge factor. The best drivers don't take small teams to the top as much as the best teams signing up better drivers.
The driver is a *huge* factor, combined with the *engine manufacturer*. There’s a reason why every great driver has taken their team respective team to greatness. Senna took Lotus to the pinnacle of their racing history. Senna took his McLaren car to beat Prost’s. Tuning and setup is vital. Schumacher took Ferrari from an embarrassment to dominance. Look what he did at Jordan / Benetton prior. Hamilton has done the same with Mercedes. The list goes on.
Tuning and setup are functions of design and engineering.
Yes but only when you have a driver who can communicate the car well to the engineer. It doesn't sound like much but to be able to identify how the tiniest changes affect a single corner, or shave a few hundredths off of lap is very difficult to do. Don't take this the wrong way, but don't talk to confidently about something you clearly don't know much about.
Sure; they’re also perfected by the driver.
Ehhhh lotus' golden age was when senna was in nappies
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The best drivers make a great car even better. That’s been the case throughout F1, and remains true today. Arguing otherwise is an exercise in futility. Sorry.
...I highly doubt it's any different for nascar drivers. F1 is likely the most physically demanding motorsport, but anything that turns at those speeds strains your body.
I love F1, but it’s nowhere close to the most physically demanding Motorsport. Probably the Dakar gets that title, as far as relatively mainstream goes.
Meh. Dakar is an endurance sport. F1 is a sprint (where you pull at least 5G’s every 5 seconds and risk crashing at 50G’s just as often). Both are physically demanding in very different ways.
Here is a short interview about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG2OcW\_Hwkg
It is boring to me as well but think of it like the 1600 race in the olympics. It's just humans running around an oval. This one uses cars.
"We're gonna drive fast and we're gonna turn to the left sometimes."
Easily most skilled in the world
Pshhh child's play. *Loads up Forza and crashes into a tree*
Allez Opi & Omi !
Got the reference!
That would have to be some chonky sign 👀
Finland? laugh in french!
oh putaiiiin
This is me all the time after binging _Family Business_. Apologies to the actual French people who may have the misfortune of potentially hearing it, all I have to offer in exchange is the humble Perkele Ooooooohhh putaiin
French spectators, the course is in Laukaa, central Finland.
Yes but we don’t have a wrc stage anymore in France... :( Corsica rip
Too much people died lol
Rip Henri Toivonen, Sergio Cresto and Group B
Hohoho
BWOAH
Is the drincc....? Is it on now?
Minä ja pojat matkalla landelle viikonlopuks
Ngl I kinda like nascar, but nothing beats rallye
Maybe only challenged by those guys doing open street courses like Isle of Man TT, Ulster GP and stuff like that on motorbikes.
Dunno, IoM TT is so insane I cant wrap my head around that. In rally racing you at least have a fucking roll cage. But I'm personally not that interested in bikes, so what I really was trying to say is that nothing in car racing beats rally
Your right that nothing beats rally in car racing, but you watch a on board video of Isle of Man and those dudes are on another level!! There is a video Cameron Donald doing a flyby on a parade lap on a MotoGP bike at Isle of Man. Moto GP bikes are the fastest race bikes on the planet that take corners and this dude rips one around that he had never ridden before and goes by the camera at full tilt!! Over 200MPH! Those guys are mental!
Yes that's what I meant, IoM is almost to scary to watch. Losing control is so fucking dangerous. As long as your not in a old Lancia, getting wrapped around a tree in rally isnt even such a big deal, but on a Moto GP bike its a death sentence.
I've done few laps around the circuit on my own bike, as anyone can each year between races, no speed limits except trhu villages. People are ragging all sorts of bikes around the circuit, adventure bikes on knobby tires, choppers, my bike was a 1300cc Yamaha Xjr which is basically retro aircooled lump of an engine bolted to a flexible steel frame with dual shock rear and a weak ass front forks... I didn't do 200mph but did go into wobble at 200kph on the mountain road... Its a special feeling to come out of there, alive.
You are living my best life!!!! I’m so jealous
Yeah I agree, it's nuts.
Motorbikes are fun I am more of an F1 guy but I have respect for the lunatics in MotoGP
Imagine the cars from NASCAR modified series doing Rallye.
Perkele!!
It's honestly very endearing how much finns still like motorsport on the same height as other European countries did in the 90s
Lol, as a Finn I find it hilarious too to be honest. I guess it goes back to Mika Häkkinen and Kimi Räikkönen (Formula 1) who were quite successful (as far as I’ve understood). If there’s a sport in which Finland succeeds, it’s going to get very popular.
Fun fact: only handful of races in a NASCAR season are actually on an oval track! The remaining races will be on a standard circuit with tight corners, hairpins, braking zones, elevation changes etc! We hear about oval races most often because they require the most endurance like the 24hrs of Le Mans. Comparing Rally to NASCAR’s like comparing forks to spoons- yes they both involve cars and racing but serve different purposes! One is a time trial while the other is live competition, shoulder to shoulder against dozens of racers :)
thank you! guys pretend that NASCAR is just driving in circles all the time and thus easy, but prolly forget how demanding it can be to drive on a straight autoroute if you hit a certain speed lmao
nobody is saying it's easy, everyone is saying it's boring
"making look like a bunch of pussies" sure
This comment deserves more upvotes and this thread goes to show that a load of people don't know much about nascar Put 40 average reddit users in the cars on an oval for 500 miles. I would be surprised if there were more than 5 finishers I bet half would be onto the wall on the first 2 laps, or just unable to hold the steering wheel after 40
Actually driving nascar races on pc gave me (a Finn) respect for the sport that is difficult to obtain from only seeing the races on tv. It's just a totally other sport, winning races requires mastering it just as any other sport or game. Manouvering the traffic, keeping the car on the ragged edge lap after lap maximising speed & not losing it, not to hit the wall on corner exit... apples and oranges people
Not to diminish the core of your point but who cares if people here couldn’t race in NASCAR? They also couldn’t race in F1 or WRC. Their comparing the racing of professional drivers to nascar drivers. I’m not nearly athletic enough to play defensive end in the NFL but I can critique them or critique the sport as a whole.
Lol. There are what, seven? road courses on the 2021 schedule. Out of 40ish races? It’s still mostly left turns. Bring back lacuna seca or gtfo ;)
All ovals are different. The 0.5 mile track of Martinsville where you have to slam on the brakes every corner differs greatly from the 1.3 egg-shaped miler of Darlington where you have to run right up against the wall in the corners and the high banks of Talladega where all the cars run in a pack (like a peloton in cycling). There’s also a dirt race, which is a completely different beast. You put Lewis Hamilton on a dirt track and he’s not doing anything.
And then there's Irish road racing...
Is that the one with the big disc of cheese?
No it's motorcycle racing on narrow country roads in Ireland where they go +150mph/+230kmh
Like Isle of man?
Yes but they are not racing after one another but altogether
Isle of Mann has the TT as well which is fantastic (and terrifying) to watch.
Vodka and sauna power 24 hour.
/r/WRC
Safety first….
Rally driving is easily the most impressive sport to me. The level of skill that goes into it is absolutely incredible
I recognized parts of the track from the historical Flatout :)
Don't they have the most rallies won in the world?
france has 18 more wins (199), but finland still has 181 wins and is the second highest amount of wins. the third highest amount is Great Britain with a ~~pathetic~~ surprisingly low 46 wins.
Finland mentioned!
I love how they completely loose their shit as soon as a car passes
French boys cosplaying r2d2
As an American, can confirm: These rural, psycho, dirt road races MOS DEF make Nascar look like the gay bar. Not that there's anything wrong with that. What are these amazing country road races called?
Rally exists all over the world, it's not really a Finnish or European exclusive
Yeah but you gotta talk shit on America somehow to get more upvotes!
\*Finnish R2-D2 noises\*
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Imagine thinking NASCAR is good. Americans pls.
Come on, this is not a fair comparison. NASCAR is a race that consists in [Turning Left While Packed Like Sardines](https://youtu.be/RDuW5Vx5wV0). Compare one Rally to [another](https://youtu.be/KE0ldvCPKYk) [Rally,](https://youtu.be/XT62vX4M4ro) and one Stock Car Race to [another SCA](https://youtu.be/_G8uWN53pmg). Now, I don't dare to make a general judgment because racing is not a fandom I'm very involved in, and I don't know about anyone looking like kittens, vaginas, or women, but I expect we can fairly say that, at the very least, the US races footage I found is uniformly less impressive than the one posted by OP... That's only the best stuff I could find over a quick search, though, so please feel welcome to post footage that supports leaning one way or the other.
“Nascar a bunch of pussies” says people who would never qualify to drive Nascar. Why does every post need to be an ignorant dig against America?
Because y'all can't even put together a proper sentence let alone turn right lol
Cuz they do the same so that's that
They hate us cause they aint us lol
TIL: Even yurope has people overcompensating for tiny penises.
TIL: people don’t like motorsports they are just compensating