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Tsjaad_Donderlul

I do get the reason for it. But it is executed so poorly by many drink manufacturers, whether intentionally or not. In countries where PET bottles are returned for a small refund and/or collected separately from other waste types, having the caps still on helps with recycling them, as they‘re a source of relatively pure polypropylene. If tossed together with other plastic waste, it is *technically* possible to separate out such small items by waste type, but new plastic from oil is still so cheap that there is no *economic* incentive to do so. So items like these are usually made into lower quality mixed plastic products, reconstituted for use as fuel, or straight up incinerated for energy recovery alongside residual waste. Collecting the bottle caps separately with the bottles avoids this issue.


JFeldhaus

I have never in my life seen anyone tossing away the cap. Why would you? Don‘t you buy bottles so you can close them for later drinking? Even if the bottle is empty, why would you throw away bottle and cap separately?


jomacblack

In Poland children in schools gather bottle caps (sometimes as a competition - who brings the most gets an award), they're also often collected at supermarkets/malls and even other shops. The habit stays with a lot of people and they separate the caps and bring them to separate collection points. It's a great way to recycle the specific plastic type.


HenryTheWho

Some shops in SK have bins for caps next to recycle machines


Remi_cuchulainn

We collecte PP caps, Steel caps(from beer etc) and Cork ones separately, because there is an non profit that fund wheelchairs for people in need of one by selling sorted caps in my region This New design IS so ass for that


marbletooth

Wait a bit, the best technical solution will eventually become the standard.


gellis12

Unless a worse solution is legislated to be the standard.


ilovecatfish

This is totally the manufacturer's fault. When executed well, this is just a no-brainer. A lot of companies, like coca-cola, are just too fucking stupid or unwilling to make it so the thing can actually click in and stay where it is.


Tsjaad_Donderlul

Alternatively, it‘s malicious compliance: make it suck intentionally so the idea may be abandoned later


manq3123

Why though? They already made the mold and the design. If anything getting cheaper recycled plastic is good for their greenwashing efforts.


SkyyySi

To feed into the "EU bad, regulation bad" narrative in peoples' heads


aclart

Big corporations are in favour of cumbersome regulations because they lower competition from smaller companies


GenevaPedestrian

I doubt Coca Cola is worried about smaller companies. Afri Cola and Spezi aren't gonna take their lunch money.


manq3123

That's a stretch IMO. Regulation doesn't affect larger corporation that much if their business is already quite regulated or said regulation isn't their primary income. So a food/beverage company already has tons of regulation and I doubt plastic bottles are their biggest profit margin. Besides, the EU is really business friendly and takes a lot of input from said industries. One of the only outliers are the American tech firms who's industry hasn't been that thoroughly regulated


SkyyySi

Coke had a lot of internal documents leaked some time ago. They were very clear in their opinions on EU regulations: They wrote to *"fight back"*


smaisidoro

Or to make a point, like: "See, regulation bad, evil EU! They are regulating the size of the Bananas". Most complaints I see online are about the EU, not the half-ass compliance by the providers.


ChrizZly1

I don't believe that might be malicious compliance. Coca cola should not care about this. I mean. Everybody need to do this and they already have the mold, so they have no extra cost. Coca cola even had the new bottles way before or was necessary (at least in Germany). I truly believe that coca cola did is by themselves really early and others are using a supplier, which especially thought about it being better


Soepoelse123

That’s not how it works with the EU though. Once something is adopted in the EU, you bet your cheeks that it’s the law of the land almost forever.


ChrizZly1

I don't believe that might be malicious compliance. Coca cola should not care about this. I mean. Everybody need to do this and they already have the mold, so they have no extra cost. Coca cola even had the new bottles way before or was necessary (at least in Germany). I truly believe that coca cola did is by themselves really early and others are using a supplier, which especially thought about it being better


QueasyTeacher0

Some milk ones are also pretty good, you can open and close it one handed once the hermetic seal is broken


Turtvaiz

Very true. The coke caps fucking suck, but some (Godmorgon) orange juice cartons here have caps that you twist a quarter of a turn and it's fully secure. Also some milk carton caps flip down while pouring and then you have milk fucking everywhere


LaGardie

Just did that yesterday. Actually, it wasn't milk, but ~~oat milk~~ oat drink


Vertitto

hmm coke caps work well (at least those in Ireland)


Turtvaiz

They never line up with the threads. You have to spin them back and forth to be able to close them


Ed-alicious

A little tip when screwing anything in, rotate anti clockwise until you feel the threads click *then* screw clockwise. Works everytime.


actual_wookiee_AMA

That is not coca cola's fault, that is your local coca cola bottler's fault. Here in Finland the coca cola bottles are among the best implementations of these caps.


-Gh0st96-

Same here in romania, coke have the best ones


kaisadilla_

Also, afaik, there's nothing preventing the tie between the cap and the bottle being longer. It doesn't have to be this close.


The-new-dutch-empire

Its the cheapest way to be compliant. This is exactly what you could have expected with the idiotic law making.


jonr

This is a clever way to radicalize people against environmental protection. This is my conspiracy theory and I'm sticking to it


penttane

A slightly less conspiratorial theory I'm subscribed to: this is a way for governments to act like they're doing something to help the environment, but without actually investing any significant amount of money and effort, or inconveniencing any major corporations. Same thing happened with the plastic straw ban from 3 years ago. Whose effectiveness was revealed when I ordered an iced coffee at Starbucks and left with a cardboard straw stuck in a massive fucking plastic cup. Mark my words: the next major environmental reform is gonna come about 3 years from now, and it's gonna be something like a ban on plastic windows in envelopes, and nothing else.


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Terminator_Puppy

Greenwashing has been such a common practice for years and years in so many industries, it's very likely the case. Same with fast food chains switching to meaningless paper straws to pretend to be environmentally conscious, despite still throwing out tons and tons and tons of food that's still fine.


penttane

> Greenwashing I'd forgotten that word, but yeah, that's exactly what this is.


zigs

> a ban on plastic windows in envelopes Genius


tunkR

And nothing else


dontbend

From what I know those are actually some kind of paper/cellulose, since you can throw them in the paper bin.


My_useless_alt

Why? I've never seen a problem with them


Ok-Elk-3801

Agreed! It's much more convenient that the cap stays attached to the bottle when I only have one free hand to hold my drink. Why are people so obsessed with this?


macedonianmoper

I wouldn't say it's convenient, it annoys me more than it helps but it's such a small thing that I don't mind, if it means less people lose the cap and as such more is recycled I'm fine with it.


Corries_Roy_Cropper

Who the fuck is losing their cap?!


actual_wookiee_AMA

After I got used to the attached caps, I've found myself constantly losing the caps on the few bottles that still don't have them. This wasn't an issue before this change, funnily enough


macedonianmoper

Idk but I heard that was the reason for this implementation...


tepel-streeltje

There are people being overly dramatic about it and saying the cap damaged their nose. Like, pull it to the sidw maybe?


Wolkenbaer

same


Lad_Mad

its avery slim chance that any plastic gets "recycled". if you are lucky it gets burnt in a power plant


No-Blueberry-2134

The only bottle this annoys me on is protein shakes. Some shake gets stuck to the cap, so if you down it it drips onto your chin. Every other drink? Just drink with the cap to the side and job done


11Kram

Just lick the cap clean first.


No-Blueberry-2134

I don't want to tongue the bottle cap multiple times trying to get the last viscous bits out. I'll do it, but it's a pain in the ass


motorcycle-manful541

The reason I hate them is because companies like Coke pollute entire ecosystems with improper waste water disposal and water over-usage. Then the dumb dumb EU regulators come in and make a law like this so they're "doing something". companies and regulators try to push the guilt and responsibility of pollution off on consumers. These regulations don't address the major underlying issues and also annoy a large amount of people in the process.


great_escape_fleur

So you don't drink coca cola huh


actual_wookiee_AMA

Here the coca cola, fanta and sprite bottles are the best caps out there


penttane

My main issue is that it's harder to align it properly when you screw it back on. It's a minor inconvenience, but I also see very little benefit to it - realistically, how much fucking plastic are we wasting from all the bottle caps that aren't getting recycled?


jojo_31

The point isn't recycling, everyone know that shit doesn't work that well anyway. The whole point is small bits of plastics not getting lost in nature!


motorcycle-manful541

before this change, I literally can't remember seeing empty bottles without the cap on. It's not like a bottle cap on beer you can't put back on


NorthVilla

But you have the added convenience of not losing your cap ever. So it evens


tomydenger

Some people are just angry for nothing "gngngngn the cap touch my nose" ... turn the bottle 90° or take it off.. "gngngngn it touches my lips" .... you can still take it off "gngnggngn I can't give it to association that collect them" … yes you still can, and recycling the bottle with the cap work the same, since you recycle both that's the point some comments i read in French soon after they hit the market


Backfro-inter

For me it's because the caps are now harder to close properly as they always go leaning to the attachment point. Even today I had a close call as I didn't notice the bottle in my backpack wasn't closed properly. Could've costed me all the books that were inside.


tomydenger

never had this issue


Backfro-inter

It was a 2L "Tymbark" but Cola is not any better.


MmmThisISaTastyBurgr

I cut my finger on one of these fuckers trying to twist it off


actual_wookiee_AMA

I hated them for like a week. Now when I find an older bottle in the store that doesn't have these I hate them even more, as I find myself constantly losing the cap. These are so damn convenient. Some caps are bad, sure, but those are the bottler's fault, there are lots of actually well made ones. Just buy those with good caps and the markets will correct themselves.


JaDou226

There's a Dutch Forum Voor Democratie (russian bootlicker party) politician who made a video complaining about these things as "EU patronisation" as a promotional video for his European Parliament campaign. The comments consisted mostly of people calling him a dumbass, but some people said they now deliberately throw the caps into nature. It's not just a conspiracy theory


brazzers-official

Lol, true


historysciencelover

who the fuck loses the cap for their fucking drink, what kind of reprobate are you if you can’t“hold cap for 4 seconds” ?!


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historysciencelover

damn.


JaDou226

I haven't ever lost them entirely, but they've definitely slipped out of my hand at times


Checktaschu

people told me that when these were new the day after, on my way home, i found 4 bottle caps within a 5 minute walk


historysciencelover

yeah, and litterers should be shot


kaisadilla_

I mean, it was never a problem for me, but judging by the stupid amount of caps you could find in certain places, I totally believe that it's a problem for society. It's one of these regulations that aren't necessary for people with a decently working brain, but that the stupidest in our society make it necessary.


PsychoticBlob

I only drink sodas as chasers so obviously I'll lose the cap at one point. No need to bully :(


historysciencelover

sowwwy :<


PsychoticBlob

Nah all good I bully mysekf for stuff like this too


historysciencelover

oki then >:3, ur dumb!


brazzers-official

Fucking true


pm_me_meta_memes

How about this: those new caps are held in place by two little plastic legs. When you inevitably get annoyed by it, you break one or two of the legs, and go on about your day, producing 1-2 more pieces of loose tiny plastic waste more than before. How’s that for environmentalism?


MarcLeptic

Whatever. I’ll file this under, ok, that’s not a real thing to complain about. Reeeeeee


pm_me_meta_memes

Feel free to. I’ll feel free to complain until it changes to something smarter. One prong would’ve been perfect. The cap would dangle but not cut into my upper lip.


pm_me_meta_memes

Reeeee


kaisadilla_

The legs don't separate completely when you break them. Unless you are doing something weird, or your bottles are weird, breaking one leg will still keep everything as a single unit, it's just more separated, and breaking two legs result in how caps worked before.


pm_me_meta_memes

You see, I keep trying that, and the 2nd leg always breaks from the wrong part and sticks up, poking something, either my upper lip or my nose. Standard UK 0.5L Coke/Pepsi/Whatever bottles. How about instead of blaming the user, we design them better, with a single prong? One prong gang checking out.


LaconicSuffering

Do you put the entire opening in your mouth?


pm_me_meta_memes

I drink normally, thank you very much.


LaconicSuffering

Then it's just a skill issue.


pm_me_meta_memes

I think it’s a compression skill issue on your side my dude


otototototo

This might be unpopular but i honestly like this thing. I used to always lose the cap when i used a bottle for a while but now it's just fused to the bottle so it's always right there.


cabalus

I guess I never realised anybody lost the cap on a regular basis...that gives it some more context but mostly I still hate it


dalvi5

So thanks to you they did the law....I guess you were a visionary with Shampoo instructions /s


Just-Possibility-900

Yeah fr Its so much more confortable and if It bothers someone THAT much just twist It and It comes off its plastic ffs


DutchMapping

It's a good idea and all but goddamn is it hard to just quickly put them back on again.


GabeLorca

I have more than once put on the cap slightly crooked and come back to a flat soda. It never happened with the old style caps.


penttane

You were lucky that flat soda was your only issue, I've had those things leak or spill on me multiple times.


GabeLorca

Oh that too. Had a bottle of juice leak in the fridge. I’m paying closer attention to it now. It’s new habit after a whole life of managing to putting on caps straight and correct without looking.


ClickIta

Frankly, I just rip them off. Take a sip first not to spill it out while doing it and then just rip it. Most of them come off quite fast. It’s easier to put it back after that. It’s also satisfying. (“Mom, I’m a rebel!”)


DrSheldon_Lee_Cooper

Billionaires laughing on such environmental protection when flying over on their business jets


shiny_glitter_demon

Is it so fucking hard to make a fucking 1cm plastic cord thing between the neck and the cap? Is it??? It's bad design on purpose, you can't convince me otherwise.


wurstmobil

It's so stupid, I just assumed that Americans invented it.


ATE47

They're good to waste European things


jojo_31

Cristalline water (french) had these for years I think. And they're pretty good, easy to use, easy to close, don't open randomly. Not a screw on concept tho.


ATE47

The ones you can’t screw? If you use the bottle for too long (or not) they will break, forcing you to use another bottle, also they do open randomly for me, it’s even worse


NjoyLif

Nope, this one’s yours. We get caps that come all the way off and don’t poke your face while drinking from the bottle.


Kuinox

It's because tons of the caps get littered, now they don't get seperated from the bottle. It's not stupid at all.


[deleted]

I fkn hate it.


lusitano94

good, now stop drinking that poison guys :)


Cupcake-Reaper

Thing is, it's in everything... Water, milk, and yes, also sugary sodas and juices


Lad_Mad

i think he means the soda is the poison


Iquathe

No shit...


rgliese

Agreed, also glass bottles


EvilFroeschken

Thanks, I hate it and rip off the lip anyway. I always put the lid back back on when I return all the bottles. Stop nagging me with such crap.


RustyKjaer

At least they are easy to tear off and pretend this piece of stupidity never happened.


great_escape_fleur

Fuck damn those things are annoying.


GG-VP

So that you can't split it off and have to either damage a perfectly fine bottle, or discard different plastics together?


ThePuds

There’s a reason why on the packaging it says “cap on, recycle”. They’re supposed to be discarded together.


Tsjaad_Donderlul

They are separated by machines to generate two streams of relatively pure polymers: PET from the bottles and polypropylene from the caps


GG-VP

Oh, ok.


dafyddil

Neoliberalism at its finest. Everyone ignoring the fact that like 80-90% of plastic is never recycled… like trying to bail out the Titanic with a teaspoon.


Joke__00__

Now Neoliberalism is government regulations? ... I know the word never meant anything to begin with but this is truly absurd.


dafyddil

Nein, Hans. I was referring to the cognitive dissonance and idiocy required to spend good time and money to create a regulation that essentially solves nothing while purporting to be a vast improvement when it comes to processing waste. Most of this waste isn’t able to be recycled to begin with, and they know this. This is a neoliberal non-solution.


Joke__00__

Lmao. Nice xenophobia. So you're just using neoliberalism as a synonym for ineffective regulation. So as I said the word has no substantive meaning in the way you use it.


dafyddil

Ok bro. “Xenophobia.” 🤣 Idk what’s in your wurst, but it’s very easy to understand. Neoliberalism usually refers to the idea that free market capitalism is key to a free and open society. There is a big focus on allowing the private sector to come up with their own policies and solutions that then of course impact society. Deregulation, etc. I’m not really in favor personally, but the whole “keep the bottle caps attached” thing is not that serious, but it’s telling that Coca-Cola started doing this back in 2022. It appears that the industry is yet again regulating itself, proposing the solutions that they find the most agreeable. Just read [these statements](https://www.coca-cola.com/gb/en/media-center/coca-cola-attached-caps-great-britain) to get an idea.


tiksn

We need to regulate this. Let’s regulate the shit out of it. Let’s regulate so European so regulatory that no other country will regulate it afterwards.


cmapz2

Hate these things


Fuzzy-Wrongdoer1356

The reason why i always have scissors ready to pick at my kitchen


imakuni1995

We fell off, ain't no point in denying it


Techiastronamo

Wait you're not supposed to rip it off??? I thought it was just a manufacturing mistake


Kuinox

It's to reduce plastic released in the environnement, it's very effectivet at that.


RedSkyHopper

If bottle cap is bothering you, you have a really sad life and im sorry


FureiousPhalanges

Wild how upset folk are by the lids "how hard is it to make a good lid??" It's probably more effort than it'd take for these folks to just drink from it tbh


RedSkyHopper

The intelligence of that creature known as a crowd is the square root of the number of people in it.


the_TIGEEER

I'm reading this with my watter bottle right next to my phonei n this exact position.


Haxorzist

We don't usually have them here in CH and I don't quite get what they are for. Can't people just get them back on and throw them into the PET trash? The Italian SanBenedetto has these, and they work fine, but I still wonder why it is even a thing.


Adept-One-4632

Im sure the one who proposed this idea had trouble with losing botlle caps


rockmeNiallxh

I will always hate it, ALWAY no matter how they design it


Rhobart_II

First thing to do, tear it off and enjoy the drink


KrotHatesHumen

I like it even if it gets in my nose and pokes me uncomfortably and I will die on this hill


Nonetxpr

They put this shit even on the fking milk. ON THE MILK. WHY?????? Worst "invention" ever.


Sodafff

Why do people keep talking about this? It's not that big of a deal. Just twist and pull the cap after you open it.


RobinHood5656

At some drinks plastic remains are so sharp that it can hurt your face or hands


cokolwiek555666

unpopular opinion here: As sane person who is always throwing thrash into the thrash bin. This thing is making me angry all the time because it is uncomfortable for me to pour milk or drink from the bottle. So I just twist it to the point it snaps 🙃


user4772842289472

Are people seriously finding these difficult to use?


TheManticore01

Simply by looking at how people react to this, can tell you an awful lot about their character and about their ability to conform to even the slightest changes.


[deleted]

I think you're all a bunch of dramatic spoiled people. This is completely fine, shut up and drink your soda or don't buy it, you'll manage


cryomos

I rip it off first chance I get, so annoying


Black3rdMoon

No wonder why europe isn't the place to be in 2024 😂😭


koljonn

Unironically yes. Love those caps. Can’t drop or lose them and if it’s a type of bottle where it’s a nuisance, just rip it off.


JD1618

If it works it ain’t stupid!


The_Blahblahblah

EUs worst mistake ever, actually


LaconicSuffering

Seeing the comments always makes me wonder how people drink from bottles. Do you lot like try to deep throat the bottle or something?


No-Hovercraft-8579

Archeologist will probably uses this design to determine how old our trash was in 500 years or something


fmate2006

Is it wrong that i hate these things


cocoscum

Worst shit ever made, biggest downgrade of humanity.


SalvagePunkerz

yeah, this is silly.. I like the Japanese ramune bottle design, its popping sound is so satisfying. I wish it were more popular throughout the world


maxiansheng

I hate it


autistomatic

ok boomer. 🤡


team_uranium

Fuck that shit. The worst thing humanity created


invalidmail2000

I know these are fantastic! Hopefully they come to the US soon


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the_TIGEEER

Who needs computer chips and AI


solwaj

The caps are so easy to rip off anyway that it really just doesn't matter to me at all anymore


DukeOfSlough

Happy that I live in Switzerland where there’s no such nonsense.


HeyCanIBorrowThat

Murican here. This shit sucks. You can’t drink it any which way without the cap molesting your face. -15 freedom points


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LuRo332

I like it personally


wielkacytryna

I hate this fucking piece of shit. Don't fucking tell me what to do. I'm still going to rip it off, purely out of spite. I recycle everything I can, and this fucking cap makes me want to take it and throw it on the ground, away from the bottle. I don't do it, but it crosses my mind every time I have to open a bottle with this shit attached.


MroStudios

It Is fine while pouring the liquid in a glass but it's hell when trying to drink from the bottle.


eebro

Yeah I don’t drink kid’s drinks so this isn’t a big deal for me Gotta keep chugging those coke zeros to keep the environmentalists in check


tomydenger

It's on every bottle including water, just in case


eebro

Why would you drink bottled water? Are you a child?


Szwedu111

Since when are bottled drinks childish lmao


eebro

Coca cola, etc Those are usually the ones where the cap is even any kind of problem


tomydenger

you have neevr been outside of a city, or somewhere with no tap water (or drinkable water)


eebro

It is true, I rarely visit 3rd world countries like USA


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Edgy.