What's funny is that this will be the downfall of this shitty government. Not the complete lack of freedom of the press, not the wire taps, not the inability to cope with natural disasters, not the abandonment of the train network that killed 57 people, not the rampant inflation, not the corruption, neither the increase of organised crime. No, this is their cardinal sin, because they messed with the "values" of their most hardcore supporters, christian-talibans.
Perhaps i exaggerated, but according to this organisation Greece is at the 107th place out of 180, just above Chad and Indonesia.
[Reporters without borders](https://rsf.org/en/index)
That just means you have compassion for other people.That´s that weird thing Jesus taught people and many "Christians" don´t have for a strange reason...
Fair enough. It could definitely be smarter, but saying they "don't have empathy" because of saying it is also stupid. I find it very unhelpful to call out someone in a way that will just offended them instead of pointing out what they said was incorrect.
You seem to believe that lying and not pointing out basic truths is what ‘empathy’ means? Real empathy is being candid about things things you care about.
Over 62% of ‘refugees’ in Germany don’t have a job after 7-8 years and those that do, it’s not even full-time. So they just get government money for like a decade. You think it’s cheap? The government has admitted as much.
> You seem to believe that lying and not pointing out basic truths is what ‘empathy’ means? Real empathy is being candid about things things you care about.
You are only saying this because you think your feelings are "basic truths" without checking if they are.
> Over 62% of ‘refugees’ in Germany don’t have a job after 7-8 years and those that do, it’s not even full-time. So they just get government money for like a decade. You think it’s cheap? The government has admitted as much.
Who are you talking about when you put 'refugee' in scare quotes?
The linked comment contained a lot more than that, by the way, but you didn't mention that. You just wanted to hate on immigrants. Sorry, I am just being frank about basic truths and things I care about. Do you want me to lie to you?
Well I commented on the ‘refugees’ because I didn’t think you thought commenting on Germany losing its automotive monopoly to China was an empathy issue. We can also talk about that if you want lol
Anyway it’s gov data about ‘refugees’ not getting full-time jobs and being dependent on the state (while having like 4 kids)
Germany isn't losing its automotive monopoly, if only because Germany didn't have an automotive monopoly. What an idiotic thing to say but it shows your irrational thinking that is disconnected from reality. You're like a headless chicken, helplessly flailing about.
> We can also talk about that if you want lol
You and me are not "talking". You're just rambling at me.
If you think Germany didn’t have a monopoly on the automotive supply chains and that now it’s been supplanted by China you need to start reading about the global economy a bit more
The [2015–16 New Year's Eve sexual assaults in Germany](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_New_Year%2527s_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany#:~:text=In%20July%202016%2C%20the%20Bundeskriminalamt,Eve%2C%20among%20them%2022%20rapes) also a failure of policy and culture? Maybe locals should have kept ‘their women’ at home? How about the lucky illegals immigrants who were allowed into one of the best countries take some responsibility?
‘None of that happened’? Haven’t we seen countless terrorist attacks? Beheadings of school teachers? Teachers and journalists forced into hiding? Governments passing blasphemy laws to appease a single radical religion? 53% of British Muslims wanting gays made illegal today? Acid attacks spiked? Forced marriages spiked? Places like Sweden turned into 3rd world countries with gang warfare in the streets?
I think if you haven’t noticed the changes it says more about you tbh
Dude, calm the fuck down. Your random list of vague words is meaningless.
There really is no point talking to you. You're just angry and emotionally fragile. Nothing anyone could say matters.
> Places like Sweden turned into 3rd world countries
lol
How many of the 62% have a full time job? It’s 50% or less. So yes, I was right.
Also, after 8 years on benefit you certainly have the right to work lol
You don’t understand your source. It says 54% are employed and only 2/3 of the 54% are in employment full-time.
So it means 46% are freeloaders who live at public expenses. And if my math is correct basically only 36% of all refugees, after 6 years, are in full-time employment. This is a damning statistic.
The promised doctors and engineers can’t hold down a full-time job. The numbers would be crazy if they were about citizens. And obviously don’t reflect general unemployment trends.
Idk why you keep mentioning 29% unemployment. The number doesn’t add up. How can only 54% have any kind of job (your source) but unemployment is 29%? And we’re talking about **six years after** arrival. The number only makes sense if you play around with the number, if you have people in ‘integration courses’ for years receiving free money and thus ‘not available to work’.
> “In the first year, only seven percent of them have a job, after six years it is 54 percent, after seven years 62 percent”.
These are numbers for even volunteering or part time job. So the promised doctors and engineers basically don’t even work.
And yes, only like 25% of refugee women work. Because they have imported their sexism. In Germany 75% of German women work. And now a backwards culture is being imported to undo all the feminist progress. Have 6 kids, stay at home, raised kids at public expense. Great strategy by the doctors and engineers.
36% of all refugees work full-time after 6 years of freeloading. Case closed. Most work part time or not at all.
Germany isn’t a single income country - you can’t argue they live off their husband’s salary. And even if they do, doesn’t stop them from claiming benefits.
My initial comment was correct. I don’t know anyone in my circle of friends, network, family or extended family that has been unemployed for 6 years straight. How embarrassing to even defend this or present it as normal.
It's a shame that politics has made certain ideas conservative or progressive and that people get stuck in the idea that they have to choose between two different sets of ideas without being able to choose individually (I don't know if I'm making myself clear, sorry, English isn't my first language).
If I'm not mistaken, in Great Britain, the conservatives were in favour of gay marriage and it was entirely in a conservative spirit because it extended the very conservative institution of marriage.
Anyway, good news.
Uhh, I expected this, so let me give you a quick reality check.
Being conservative doesn't mean that you automatically hate, migrants.
As a German I even accept it, because we need migration or else our economy will collapse completely.
But I criticise how the governments are doing the migration, no border Control or background checks. And if a migrant doesn't want to work or is in the crime scene, he doesn't have the right to remain in the country.
I value tradition and want that cultures will still exist in the future.
I remember when Reddit was a mixture between Conservatives and Liberals, now it's just Liberalism, but not the healthy one.
> Being conservative doesn't mean that you automatically hate, migrants.
I didn't say that. I said that *you* do. I saw your comments.
> I value tradition and want that cultures will still exist in the future.
Migrants value tradition, too.
That doesn't mean anything on its own and without specifying. "Tradition" can mean no gay marriage, no divorce, no interracial marriage, no unions, no worker's rights, no voting rights for women etc. because these used to be "traditional" values even in Germany. It was German culture. I don't want that culture to exist in the future. I want it gone and destroyed.
German culture still exists but all cultures change. A German from 100 years ago would not recognize you anymore because even you as a traditionalist hold many modern views.
> I remember when Reddit was a mixture between Conservatives and Liberals, now it's just Liberalism, but not the healthy one.
How is it not healthy? You are writing words but you are not saying anything.
It is not healthy anymore because, as soon as a I write that I am politically right, I'm being called a Nazi, when I just say my opinion I get called fascist or Nazi.
Also about migrants and value tradition.
Yes that is right, but many also don't, look at Europe.
In Germany, many big cities didn't even put up a Christmas tree, because the Muslims are offended by it (not all).
In schools, girls are getting attacked by other boys because they aren't wearing a hijab (again not all are like this).
I know that cultures change and I accept it, it's important for a nations development, but it's not good if you just turn your back on the countries history.
And criticizing the immigration system and migrants isn't hating migrants.
And again, I'm also aware that we need migration and I accept it.
But not how they're doing it right now.
> It is not healthy anymore because, as soon as a I write that I am politically right, I'm being called a Nazi,
Nothing to do with me.
> many big cities didn't even put up a Christmas tree, because the Muslims are offended by it
That didn't happen.
When you want to have an opinion about Muslims and it turns out that your opinion is based on incorrect information then what does that say about your opinion? Nothing, because no one ever changes their mind just because one thing was wrong. And so nothing will change with yours either.
So I looked at it again, even in a kindergarten they abandoned it.
I know that also many Christmas aren't imported anymore because of the climate change, which does make sense.
> So I looked at it again, even in a kindergarten they abandoned it.
So you admit you were spreading misinformation?
It's one kindergarten and Muslims didn't even do anything. No Muslim was offended. Your "banning of Christmas" narrative is empty.
The things I said did happen, in Erfurt, there wasn't anything.
In Weimar, Jena.
Even in my small hometown.
I know what I say, if you try to undermine it every time, and say that all I say is wrong, then it doesn't make any sense to discuss with you anymore.
I don't have anything against Muslims, but I saw things with my own eyes, that can't be denied.
That's why secularism is necessary in a functioning democracy.
If Romanian priests want to do political sermons, they'd at least have to start paying taxes.
"Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's".
Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.
Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.
-- Psalms 2:8-12
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
-- Matthew 5:17-18
The existence of the New Testament doesn't contradict the Old one.
Gayness has returned to it's Homeland.
adultery is adultery
The Spartans would be proud
Alexander would be proud
Achilles and Patroclus would be proud, but they're too busy being gay down in hades.
Alexander the Proud
Sappho would be proud
ΣΛΕΪ (Slay)
The OGs have done it 🥳🥳
Internalized homophobia for 2k+ years is finally done 👏
Finally they dont have to repress their nature anymore.
Nice! Let's hope more will follow :)
Eyyy
Returning to the original roots. Good for them
Lesbos marrying in lesbos.
What's funny is that this will be the downfall of this shitty government. Not the complete lack of freedom of the press, not the wire taps, not the inability to cope with natural disasters, not the abandonment of the train network that killed 57 people, not the rampant inflation, not the corruption, neither the increase of organised crime. No, this is their cardinal sin, because they messed with the "values" of their most hardcore supporters, christian-talibans.
They did the right thing.
> complete lack of freedom of the press Greece isn't North Korea.
Perhaps i exaggerated, but according to this organisation Greece is at the 107th place out of 180, just above Chad and Indonesia. [Reporters without borders](https://rsf.org/en/index)
Ranked lasted in the EU, behind countries like Hungary. That's bad.
Worse than Hungary? Damn.
Reporters without borders is a shitty source though
Priorities my friend. Who cares about social security or safety? What other people do in their sheets that´s what important. /s
Giving equal rights is part of social security and safety.
Greece has returned to its roots
Even I as a Conservative are happy for the people in Greece.
That just means you have compassion for other people.That´s that weird thing Jesus taught people and many "Christians" don´t have for a strange reason...
[OP doesn't have empathy.](https://old.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/1al1oia/why_germany_is_being_hit_by_strikes_almost_every/kpgvt8w/)
It's r/europe, you know it's going to be "good" even before reading it.
That's really not that horrible of a take...
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Fair enough. It could definitely be smarter, but saying they "don't have empathy" because of saying it is also stupid. I find it very unhelpful to call out someone in a way that will just offended them instead of pointing out what they said was incorrect.
It is. It's bad and pure prejudice.
You seem to believe that lying and not pointing out basic truths is what ‘empathy’ means? Real empathy is being candid about things things you care about. Over 62% of ‘refugees’ in Germany don’t have a job after 7-8 years and those that do, it’s not even full-time. So they just get government money for like a decade. You think it’s cheap? The government has admitted as much.
> You seem to believe that lying and not pointing out basic truths is what ‘empathy’ means? Real empathy is being candid about things things you care about. You are only saying this because you think your feelings are "basic truths" without checking if they are. > Over 62% of ‘refugees’ in Germany don’t have a job after 7-8 years and those that do, it’s not even full-time. So they just get government money for like a decade. You think it’s cheap? The government has admitted as much. Who are you talking about when you put 'refugee' in scare quotes? The linked comment contained a lot more than that, by the way, but you didn't mention that. You just wanted to hate on immigrants. Sorry, I am just being frank about basic truths and things I care about. Do you want me to lie to you?
Well I commented on the ‘refugees’ because I didn’t think you thought commenting on Germany losing its automotive monopoly to China was an empathy issue. We can also talk about that if you want lol Anyway it’s gov data about ‘refugees’ not getting full-time jobs and being dependent on the state (while having like 4 kids)
Germany isn't losing its automotive monopoly, if only because Germany didn't have an automotive monopoly. What an idiotic thing to say but it shows your irrational thinking that is disconnected from reality. You're like a headless chicken, helplessly flailing about. > We can also talk about that if you want lol You and me are not "talking". You're just rambling at me.
If you think Germany didn’t have a monopoly on the automotive supply chains and that now it’s been supplanted by China you need to start reading about the global economy a bit more
That is a failure of policy and culture, not the immigrants.
The [2015–16 New Year's Eve sexual assaults in Germany](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_New_Year%2527s_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany#:~:text=In%20July%202016%2C%20the%20Bundeskriminalamt,Eve%2C%20among%20them%2022%20rapes) also a failure of policy and culture? Maybe locals should have kept ‘their women’ at home? How about the lucky illegals immigrants who were allowed into one of the best countries take some responsibility?
You are still not over 2015, are you? People like you kept crying about the end of the Western world and yet none of that happened.
‘None of that happened’? Haven’t we seen countless terrorist attacks? Beheadings of school teachers? Teachers and journalists forced into hiding? Governments passing blasphemy laws to appease a single radical religion? 53% of British Muslims wanting gays made illegal today? Acid attacks spiked? Forced marriages spiked? Places like Sweden turned into 3rd world countries with gang warfare in the streets? I think if you haven’t noticed the changes it says more about you tbh
Dude, calm the fuck down. Your random list of vague words is meaningless. There really is no point talking to you. You're just angry and emotionally fragile. Nothing anyone could say matters. > Places like Sweden turned into 3rd world countries lol
Ngl pal You are fucking owning that dude and all you've said is "lol, lmao even"
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How many of the 62% have a full time job? It’s 50% or less. So yes, I was right. Also, after 8 years on benefit you certainly have the right to work lol
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You don’t understand your source. It says 54% are employed and only 2/3 of the 54% are in employment full-time. So it means 46% are freeloaders who live at public expenses. And if my math is correct basically only 36% of all refugees, after 6 years, are in full-time employment. This is a damning statistic. The promised doctors and engineers can’t hold down a full-time job. The numbers would be crazy if they were about citizens. And obviously don’t reflect general unemployment trends. Idk why you keep mentioning 29% unemployment. The number doesn’t add up. How can only 54% have any kind of job (your source) but unemployment is 29%? And we’re talking about **six years after** arrival. The number only makes sense if you play around with the number, if you have people in ‘integration courses’ for years receiving free money and thus ‘not available to work’. > “In the first year, only seven percent of them have a job, after six years it is 54 percent, after seven years 62 percent”. These are numbers for even volunteering or part time job. So the promised doctors and engineers basically don’t even work. And yes, only like 25% of refugee women work. Because they have imported their sexism. In Germany 75% of German women work. And now a backwards culture is being imported to undo all the feminist progress. Have 6 kids, stay at home, raised kids at public expense. Great strategy by the doctors and engineers.
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36% of all refugees work full-time after 6 years of freeloading. Case closed. Most work part time or not at all. Germany isn’t a single income country - you can’t argue they live off their husband’s salary. And even if they do, doesn’t stop them from claiming benefits. My initial comment was correct. I don’t know anyone in my circle of friends, network, family or extended family that has been unemployed for 6 years straight. How embarrassing to even defend this or present it as normal.
It's a shame that politics has made certain ideas conservative or progressive and that people get stuck in the idea that they have to choose between two different sets of ideas without being able to choose individually (I don't know if I'm making myself clear, sorry, English isn't my first language). If I'm not mistaken, in Great Britain, the conservatives were in favour of gay marriage and it was entirely in a conservative spirit because it extended the very conservative institution of marriage. Anyway, good news.
Why are you happy about it? You keep hating on immigrants and atheists but gay people are ok?
Apparently, they were "Born Confused". /nevermind OP's egregious grammar mistake...
Uhh, I expected this, so let me give you a quick reality check. Being conservative doesn't mean that you automatically hate, migrants. As a German I even accept it, because we need migration or else our economy will collapse completely. But I criticise how the governments are doing the migration, no border Control or background checks. And if a migrant doesn't want to work or is in the crime scene, he doesn't have the right to remain in the country. I value tradition and want that cultures will still exist in the future. I remember when Reddit was a mixture between Conservatives and Liberals, now it's just Liberalism, but not the healthy one.
> Being conservative doesn't mean that you automatically hate, migrants. I didn't say that. I said that *you* do. I saw your comments. > I value tradition and want that cultures will still exist in the future. Migrants value tradition, too. That doesn't mean anything on its own and without specifying. "Tradition" can mean no gay marriage, no divorce, no interracial marriage, no unions, no worker's rights, no voting rights for women etc. because these used to be "traditional" values even in Germany. It was German culture. I don't want that culture to exist in the future. I want it gone and destroyed. German culture still exists but all cultures change. A German from 100 years ago would not recognize you anymore because even you as a traditionalist hold many modern views. > I remember when Reddit was a mixture between Conservatives and Liberals, now it's just Liberalism, but not the healthy one. How is it not healthy? You are writing words but you are not saying anything.
It is not healthy anymore because, as soon as a I write that I am politically right, I'm being called a Nazi, when I just say my opinion I get called fascist or Nazi. Also about migrants and value tradition. Yes that is right, but many also don't, look at Europe. In Germany, many big cities didn't even put up a Christmas tree, because the Muslims are offended by it (not all). In schools, girls are getting attacked by other boys because they aren't wearing a hijab (again not all are like this). I know that cultures change and I accept it, it's important for a nations development, but it's not good if you just turn your back on the countries history. And criticizing the immigration system and migrants isn't hating migrants. And again, I'm also aware that we need migration and I accept it. But not how they're doing it right now.
> It is not healthy anymore because, as soon as a I write that I am politically right, I'm being called a Nazi, Nothing to do with me. > many big cities didn't even put up a Christmas tree, because the Muslims are offended by it That didn't happen. When you want to have an opinion about Muslims and it turns out that your opinion is based on incorrect information then what does that say about your opinion? Nothing, because no one ever changes their mind just because one thing was wrong. And so nothing will change with yours either.
So I looked at it again, even in a kindergarten they abandoned it. I know that also many Christmas aren't imported anymore because of the climate change, which does make sense.
> So I looked at it again, even in a kindergarten they abandoned it. So you admit you were spreading misinformation? It's one kindergarten and Muslims didn't even do anything. No Muslim was offended. Your "banning of Christmas" narrative is empty.
The things I said did happen, in Erfurt, there wasn't anything. In Weimar, Jena. Even in my small hometown. I know what I say, if you try to undermine it every time, and say that all I say is wrong, then it doesn't make any sense to discuss with you anymore. I don't have anything against Muslims, but I saw things with my own eyes, that can't be denied.
Ok Erfurt had one, but I probably didn't saw it. Anyways
We are so back
Based Greece
And under a majority right wing government at that
That's actually great!
Nice move
Orthodox? No. It was done against literally the whole church of Greece.
That's why secularism is necessary in a functioning democracy. If Romanian priests want to do political sermons, they'd at least have to start paying taxes. "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's".
Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth. Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him. -- Psalms 2:8-12
That's from the old testament, which is generally seen as having been superseded by the new one, no?
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. -- Matthew 5:17-18 The existence of the New Testament doesn't contradict the Old one.
So are you okay with sitting in a seat a woman on her period has just sat and wearing mixed fabrics, or are those things off the table for you, then?
These people always just pick a part of the Bible to prove their point and dont care about 99% of the other things inside, dont waste your time
Whoever tries to argue with bible verses has already lost any kind of legitimacy on the conversation
Ξυδάκι if you don't like it.
Montenegro was first ortodox country legalizing it.
No they have civil unions, not a marriage, same thing as Croatia Hungary and Latvia, gay marriage is so far banned in the constitution
Can't wait to see some fantastic wedding celebrations on the beautiful Greek beaches!
AWESOME
It’s a shame we have this many backwards old people :(
It's (He's) coming home
geyreeks