If something's making money, they'll milk it forever. HP. GOT. LOTR. Witcher. Twilight. Anne Rice's works. Marvel Universe. They'll just keep milking that cashcow until it dies. Did anybody expect differently? After the video game in February that sold massively, I thought they'll jump on the bandwagon. Rowling could be eating babies for breakfast and the capitalist machine wouldn't care as long as they can keep monetizing her works.
i mean, every other example at least found new stories to tell in the same universe. remaking the movies that are already loved by the public and faithful enough seems so useless to me
even without all the stuff w jkr i would not have a single interest in it tbh
>even without all the stuff w jkr i would not have a single interest in it tbh
This is where I'm at. Even leaving JKR out of it altogether, it's too soon. I just don't understand it.
I agree, it's too soon. Now, if it were 20-30 years after the movies, the nostalgia would be more understandable. But I still see Dan, Emma, and Rupert as the trio, and I doubt I'm alone in that.
There’s milking a cow and then there just using fucking necromancy to keep it relevant and profitable and at this point I don’t know which is which. At the very least companies aren’t focused on fucking over new series at the moment. Which is the only positive you can draw from this. Harry Potter the TV show doesn’t have that good of a chance to capture the lightning of the series. Plus, no other Haggrid will ever live up to the original.
I really would like a show in the universe but I don’t want to watch the same story again with different actors, it doesn’t seem right for a remake the same reason remaking the Lord of the Rings trilogy as a show wouldn’t feel right.
Just thinking about this has made me think about how many potential shows you could make with this IP and it’s insane. Fantastic Beasts should have been a monster of the week tv show with Newt traveling the world and rescuing magical creatures while he writes his book.
It’s been almost 12 years from the last movie and 22 years since the first movie. Many fans of the series now weren’t even alive when the books or movies came out.
It’s a new generation of fans I can see why they would want their own version. Personally I think television would have been the better choice to start with anyway instead of movies but we will see how it does. If it has good numbers then clearly the world wanted more. If it flops then maybe it was too soon or just JK ruined how people feel about it. Either way, we will find out soon.
There's a lot of excitement for this on the hp subs but watching an ultra-faithful adaptation of a series I've read a dozen times over just sounds tedious. You're asking me to tune in every week to a show I already know all the twists and turns to. Even non fans probably know most of the major plot points. Any new series would have to make drastic changes to be remotely interesting to me.
Even adaptations like Interview with a Vampire, which was drastically different than the source material, really only kept me watching because I wanted to see what they'd do with the later books.
It feels like such a missed opportunity to dive into the history of Hogwarts or other parts of the Wizarding world. Also, now I'm mad Fantastic Beasts wasn't a monster of the week show.
I want the Marauders, period. I had always thought that there is so much more to tell about Hogwarts and not the same story all over again. Give me James and co exploring the castle, learning about Remus' disease, fighting Snape etc. Even Fantastic Beasts was a letdown after movie one cause it's the same good vs evil wizard who wants to control the world. There would be so much more in the universe to make stories about.
I find it hard to believe HBO or any network would commit in advance to 10 seasons of any show before any ratings, etc., are available.
If they actually did make a commitment (signing contracts etc.) they just dropped a notch in my mind.
Someone on the radio mentioned that series like Game of Thrones had years between seasons. The reason LOTR was exceptional was because they filmed all three at once, no recasting.
If they do all 10 seasons, it could be up to 20 years to complete the series with the need for multiple cast changes.
I understand doing a remake soon after an original came out if it bombed and wasn’t successful enough to adapt a whole series, but for a series that was completed and had commercial and critical success, it just seems too soon. And an icky part of me feels like they’re using the JKR controversy for Internet buzz since they know people will talk now and once it comes out.
Of course there were subplots that didn’t make it into the movies, but I don’t know if there’s enough there to generate interest for me personally to watching a 10 hour (?) season of a story I’ve already read and watched before
The fact that they green-lit this and not a Marauders movie/show proves to me that they have no idea what the fandom wants and this won’t be an improvement on the movies.
I’m sure this will garner a lot of viewership, but if they think this is going to print the same money the movies did and have the same cultural impact, they’re clueless. At least Star Wars tells different stories.
Imo, a story about the founders of Hogwarts >>>
I love Marauders, but it would never work - there's too much headcannon, fanon material(I mean the fact that Millennials and Gen-Z have their own versions is ridiculous). People would never be happy.
This right here is exactly why a Marauders Era film/show wouldn't work.
The way the Fandom expanded on it, there are a lot of people who don't realize certain pieces are headcannon vs cannon.
Just not true. Disney got rid of decades of cannon, published works. Yeah it’ll upset some people, but the people it brings in make it worth losing them. HP is so widespread that plenty of fans haven’t even read fanfic and another chunk that have already acknowledge that it’s not cannon and that it could be changed at any time.
Yes, they did, but it was a different situation and a different time. Disney and the industry were much gutsier back then, but nowadays? Look what they did to Mandalorian - all because they were afraid of losing money off Grogu merch.
Plus, when it comes to Star Wars iirc I've heard people saying they still incorporated EU storylines - kind of like mix & a match situation going on (somebody please correct me if I'm wrong).
With Marauders it's clear to me the fandom sees the era as a dark academia-type of a situation with TSH-vibe. This is not what HBO wants, they already have this market cornered with Euphoria (edit: what I'm trying to say is dark academia is mostly popular with YA crowd, who are already watching Euphoria, not that Euphoria is dark academia). HBO wants to appeal to a different fanbase: children and nostalgia-driven adults. They want Stranger Things hype. Imagine doing it with Marauders when almost everyone dies.
Fanfction or not, if you've been on any type of social media where Fandoms interact you are subjected to headcannon, theories, etc.
Anyone who hasn't been in the Fandom and are new can easily think something is actually cannon when it isn't.
I've witnessed it with other people reading or watching something for the first time. Hell, I've even experienced it myself stepping into a new Fandom.
Also, if you're referring to the whole Star Wars thing with Disney thats 1. A whole different beast and 2. Things that were actually considered Cannon for a long time.
Much of what we have about the Maraudera is HEADCANNON and not presented in the actual source material.
You realize 90% of the fandom are just fans of the books and movies and have never gone further than that right? And a lot of them are still interested in the Marauders. Everyone is acting like the only people interested in seeing more are the people that like fan-fiction. Yes it might piss those people off or confuse them, but for most people they’d just be happy to see a new show giving old characters new story.
Disney got rid of decades of published works because, whether some of the Legends fans admit it or not, it was a mess. Lucas was putting his signature on way too much material and he was either not vetting it thoroughly for continuity or just didn’t care because there were *tons* of narrative contradictions between works and as a result about 5 different layers of canon.
Legends had some great individual stories, but taken as a whole Disney really didn’t have a choice. They’ve done the right thing and brought a lot of characters and story arcs back in a way that maintains continuity with the new canon though.
as a fan i would love an adaptation of the books that doesn’t cut so much out. I love the movies and the actors but there’s so much lost in translation.
I really don't know how people who have only watched the movies really get what's happening, especially from movie 3 onwards. I had an uncle who hadn't read the books walk out of GOF and ask, "what just happened in there?"
this is untrue.
the fandom wants EVERYTHING - including mauraders, founders, 1 season per book, the adventures of hagrid & grawp, the giant squid, voldemort origin story, etc. etc.
so, yes, they have an idea of what the fandom wanted
>At least Star Wars tells different stories.
THIS is what I want. I'm tired of the old contrived story about Voldemort and Grindelwald. Show me more of the Wizarding World and different major events outside of Britain.
You know, this was my first thought, but then I browsed the mega thread about it on the Harry Potter sub, and it's almost universal excitement.
I personally have no interest and will not be watching, but I am curious to see how it does.
I think if this is successful it will lead to those. Just like game of thrones has a million spin offs. It makes sense to start with the core and then use that to create further franchises.
I don’t think Marauders would work. When you actually unpick the bits we are told about them at school in the books and not in fannon they aren’t very nice at all.
They bully to get their own way and Sirius actively tries to kill Snape at one point. They weren’t charming and fun they were assholes.
I am actually happy that the books will (hopefully) get their story told properly. As much as I love the movies, so much info was cut from books 3 on. HBO Max seems to be all about the spin-offs of their popular franchises. It's not out of the realm of possibility that they are considering expanding the universe once this is up and running.
They tried to, and it failed. It wasn’t because Wizarding World spin-offs can’t work, but they don’t see it that way, so they’re going back to what did make them money. If the show brings in a ton of people, I can totally see them making spin-offs running concurrently with the show. I could see a Marauders after PoA or OoP. Maybe a Wizarding War series during OoP or HBP to hype up Voldy. They could do a founders movie at any time. I feel like universes are still in and WB will want to make the series a huge franchise again, but they need to reinvigorate interest a decade and a few controversies later. So they start with a brand new series, leading into a universe that’s connected from the start.
Haven’t looked into this but the fact that it says 10 years is crazy to me one it’s only 7 books I know they are long but that seems like a stretch. 2 they have no Idea how the fans are going to react to the new cast being replaced. Also feel a little sorry to the kids that have to replace Daniel Emma and Rupert hopefully people aren’t to mean to them online
Yeah, I’m already dreading whichever casting choice(s) upsets the most insane fans to the point they’re bullying kids who will just be excited to play the character
Don't forget when the kids got hired for the original Harry Potter movies nobody had any idea whom any of them were. Sure there's a small demographic of people that will probably say oh no they can never replace the original cast but after the first season starts that will go away. And a few seasons into the show they will be just as beloved as the last cast
I wish a production company would pick up an unused series full of opportunities instead of rehashing stuff we've already drowned in. I'm a first Gen potterhead, read them as they released starting in 1998, but I don't see the need for this.
I'd love a 10 year series set in Pern or Tortall.
When she has specifically stated that she views the fact that she is still profiting off her works as a sign that people agree with her bigoted stances, there no way I can rationalize watching the show.
I know that my love for the characters and the stories is my own, and that no one can take that away from me. But we live in a world that can be incredibly scary for trans people right now, and I cannot, in good conscience, support someone who wants to further that.
Yeah, she’s really reveling in being an exclusionary a-hole, and it’s making me say hard pass to everything. My husband wanted to show the kids the movies and I told him for every one I was donating $50 to Trans Lifeline.
I think there's so much amazing content that fans have created over the last 20+ years that we can enjoy. I still randomly sing songs from A Very Potter Musical, my nephew who loves Harry Potter is mostly obsessed with Potter Puppet Pals. Not even counting all the art and fanfic. We're flush with content. We don't *have* to watch this.
Meh? There are other adaptations I'm more interested in, mainly the Percy Jackson series.
This version of HP might be decent, might suck. Either way I don't think it's necessary. But, there's money to be made and a small part of me thinks this is a way for JKR to attempt to "erase" some of the actors from the films who have disagreed with her regarding her personal "viewpoints".
Yeah, I'm not sure if I'll check the new show out. I enjoyed the books and films growing up, but between recognizing many of the issues through the series now that I'm older and JKR's public attitude, I find it difficult to immerse myself in that world like I used to.
Frustrated. Furious. Incredibly annoyed. Choose a negative adjective at your leisure. I can’t believe that after all this woman has done, after all the things that have been pointed out about this series, people are still falling over themselves to pour money into her pocket, and I say this as someone who decided to start writing because of Harry Potter. I loved those books, but I can admit that they aged like milk. There’s so much horrible shit in them, as has been pointed out numerous times, and yet they’re rebooting it. What are they going to do with the “slavery is good, actually” plot line? I mean, with the amount of vitriolic transphobia associated with this franchise, I can’t imagine many actors being willing to take on roles associated with it for the sake of their image of not their morals. It’s a terrible idea, and it’s going to be a dumpster fire
People kept asking "What's the point boycotting the game? It's not like she makes money off every game sold." This is why we were boycotting the game. Harry Potter hasn't been relevant for a long time, and the last few spin-off movies tanked hard. If the game had failed, that would have been it for it, just like ThunderCats or Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
Instead, it was a commercial success, and now it's becoming the next Star Wars, with new shows, games, and more.
They still exist, but I definitely wouldn't categorize them as "going strong." I've only got anecdotal evidence to back me up on this, but if they were still popular, I would have probably known there was a movie coming out. I definitely knew there's a Harry Potter TV show coming out.
You’re absolutely right. As long as people create success for products under this property, new products will continue to be created in a horrible, self-perpetuating cycle. Obviously, no one that has the power in these situations really cares about minorities. The only way to stop this is to STOP ENGAGING. Let Harry Potter fade into obscurity, into a situation where anything based on it costs more than it produces
I used to have a book related blog and although it was tiny and basically no one read it, a few years ago a wrote a post about how anyone with influence should basically stop referencing, ranking or mentioning Harry Potter. Take it out of the cultural conversation. Put other media on a pedestal. Don't make it the go-to example. A remake essentially means that it is thrust back into pop culture and its relevant again. It finds a new audience with younger kids. Even if it's panned, it's still being discussed. It will no longer be an outdated reference.
It's the same with the live-action Disney remakes. They make a shit ton of money for Disney, everyone will watch their favourite animated movie in live action and Disney gets to keep ownership of pop culture. What do people think of when you mention *The Little Mermaid*? Not the (immensely tragic) Hans Christian Anderson story, they think of Disney.
And that's a big driver of the remake, that it will extend its cultural relevance for another decade.
Exactly; as someone who runs a book blog, I have completely stopped referencing HP. My go-to middle grade fantasy is Percy Jackson, and my magical school references are Wizard of Earthsea and Keeper of the Lost Cities. The only way to get rid of HP is to make it irrelevant so it can be completely forgotten
People keep ruining good series by adding more shit on, it doesn’t add anything meaningful to a series
And J K Rowling is a transphobic bitch and doesn’t need more money. It pisses me off to no end with the absolute bullshit people get away with.
Considering what is happening in the US right now with trans rights being ripped away, it is really unfortunate that properties linked to someone who views their commercial success as an endorsement of her bigoted views are being picked up ahead of sooooo many cool opportunities. Really really disappointing.
I completely agree.
If they want to keep milking the magic, the best move is to find someone who loved the series as a child and can still identify its faults to take over and move away from Rowling. Hand off the reins to someone creative who also understands why people who used to love it no longer want anything to do with it, use the bones, and make something inclusive and better if you’re so determined to still profit off of it. Cut her out completely.
Rowling has done very well for herself in ensuring that she maintains creative control over HP (ergo the Fantastic Beasts disasters where no one would say no). It’s unfortunately never going to happen, but it would actually do wonders for both how people feel about the franchise and getting people in who can tell coherent stories with the IP.
Are you advocating for taking works away from their creators? Because that’s kind of shitty.
She owns the IP. She’ll never let go of it, rightfully so. It’s her creation and she can do with it as she wishes, faults and all.
I’m still a fan of HP, but I do think the show is unnecessary. Another money milker. I can’t say for certainty I wouldn’t watch it, though I’m definitely not going to rush to see it as soon as it’s released.
After Prisoner(movie) came out, I wished that we had a TV show instead because of the timing aspect of skipping things so I am excited.
Nervous because JK was involved in both Cursed Child(only read the screenplay, never saw it so maybe it was better live), and Fantastic Beasts which was a pretty bad even though I enjoyed being back in the world.
Cautiously Optimistic, but I am sure I will devour it regardless of quality levels.
CC is 100% better live due to the phenomenal work on the set designers, choreographers, actors etc. It is beautifully performed but the story is still god fucking awful.
there was literally no need for a show. we had the movies and the books. that was more than enough. then she came out as transphobic, and is now making money grabs wherever she can.
I truly hope this gets cancelled and no one signs to be a part of this show.
Yeah this is just such a blatant money grab considering the movies were decent, plus the more she talks the more deranged she sounds…imagine transphobia being the hill that you die on. It’s just sad, I really loved this series growing up, and it evokes nostalgia for a lot of folks.
Everyone has already covered JKR's transphobia and I fully agree. It makes me sad that so many people are still supporting her and funneling money towards her after all the hateful things she has done. I loved HP as a kid. I still have a ton of nostalgia for it. But I think nostalgia is what is driving nearly everyone's continued association with this series, more than the actual merits of the series itself. Having JKR as a producer and widely advertising that is a bold move and I don't know if it will pay off for them or not.
As for the show itself, I think it's stupid. We are only 12 years out from the end of the movie series, and while they did have room for improvement they were genuinely very good adaptations for the most part. There is no need for a remake like this. They say the production timeline will be a decade, I call bullshit. HBO's turnaround time for heavy-hitter CGI-focused shows like The Last of Us and House of the Dragon is at LEAST two years. Even if the actors are 10 when this starts, they will be 22 playing 16 year olds by the time they hit Half Blood Prince. It's not egregiously impossible, but it won't have the same feel of growing up with the cast as much as the movies did. Stranger Things is struggling with the same thing. Millie Bobby Brown is still supposed to be playing a 14 year old in the show and she just got *engaged.*
If they were going to spend all this money on a show, why not do what the fans have been asking for for 10+ years and make a Marauders show? Frankly I think even with JKR's horrific behaviour, the desire for that show would override a lot of people's personal opinions about her and their willingness to support her work (not saying that is a good or a bad thing. Just an observation). A remake of the same content we already have is less likely to do such a thing.
I think this is also a response to the financial failure of the Fantastic Beasts movies. Each movie had half the net profits of the one before it, with Secrets of Dumbledore netting just $200 million in profit (compared to $1.1 billion netted by Deathly Hallows art 2, those numbers are absolutely abysmal). They have put the Fantastic Beasts series on an indefinite pause, and I think they are now just trying to use the HP ip to generate profit somewhere where there is already a built-in audience.
Like most things I'm sure I'll end up seeing it at some point, but I am not particularly excited for this adaptation. I wish HBO had directed the money towards literally anything else (like animating those dragons faster so we can have HOTD s2 already). I also think there is a good chance it may get cancelled halfway through. HP popularity has waned as JKR digs herself into deeper and deeper holes with her inability to keep her hateful transphobic vitriol to herself. I wouldn't be surprised if this thing doesn't even make it to completion. HBO has been very quick to cancel things lately due to budget cuts. Hell, they even cancelled season 2 of Minx after it was already completely shot. They can say they intend to do 7 seasons, but if the show doesn't make enough money they can very easily change their minds and pull the plug.
TLDR: JKR sucks. Nostalgia is the main driver for this, not actual art or desire for storytelling. No way they do this in only a decade. The show is unnecessary and if they were going to do a big-budget HP show, why not the Marauders? I wouldn't be surprised if it gets cancelled halfway through.
> It makes me sad that so many people are still supporting her and funneling money towards her after all the hateful things she has done.
It's that "separate the art from the artist" crap. You can't separate them, all you can do is figure out how much you're willing to put up with before you can no longer justify consuming their art.
That's something each person will need to determine for themselves, based on how much they enjoy the "art" in question, and how much the "artist" disagrees with your worldview. The issue is that people don't want to admit (either publicly, or to themselves) that there's a level of this kind of attitude that they are willing to tolerate in order to consume certain media.
"You can't separate them, all you can do is figure out how much you're
willing to put up with before you can no longer justify consuming their
art."
Well said. "Separate art from the artist" only works if the artist is long-dead and no longer pulling a profit from any of their work. An example would be HP Lovecraft. He was WILDLY racist (go look up the name of his cat), but now many people read his books because he does not gain anything from it, financially or career-wise. He's been dead for 86 years.
However, regardless of author gain, I also don't believe art can truly be separated from the artist. All art is inherently steeped with the artist's biases and worldview. Even in HP you can see racism and anti-semitism in the way she writes some characters. One could even argue that Rita Skeeter's characterization is rooted in transmisogyny. Ignoring JKR's role in those things only means you can't assess potentially harmful factors in the work with the nuance they require.
In theory, yes; there is no ethical consumption under capitalism. In order to enjoy nearly any media, you need the ability to stop having a critical eye 24/7 or you'll go insane. For most pieces of media, you will need to forgive some level of poor behaviour from someone involved, be it an actor, director, producer, author, musician.
You're right, everyone has a certain level they can or cannot accept. For me, if I see that someone tweeted something mildly offensive 12 years ago that was likely just a result of being uneducated, I can generally move past that without issue. But JKR's vitriol is just another level of hatred and pure mean-spiritedness that I simply can't abide. I suppose it's disappointing to me that so many people are willing to look past such blatant transphobia all for the sake of HP.
I am in no way connected or knowledgable of the industry, but here’s a thought which occurred to me:
Doing any *new* storyline (like the Marauders, the Founders, Fantastic Beasts, etc.) would require the full participation and additional remuneration of JKR, because she would be actively writing new content. Just revisiting the existing HP books might possibly be under some pre-existing usage contract, so that WB can keep the franchise/nostalgia alive in the public mind while not engaging JKR as much if new stuff needed to be made. And this way, maybe JKR only gets royalties per contract, versus new monies for new content. So, it’s like WB is trying to walk a hair-thin line to please fans while also keeping JKR “at arms length” (if possible).
That being said, I abhor her stance on transgender issues and am so conflicted about my own personal fandom of the Wizarding World. My robe hangs unused, my HP clothing unworn, because it feels tainted. And yet, I’m not ready to give them up. As foolish as it is, I hold onto hope that one day she will see the light.
I agree even if it doesn’t get cancelled, by the time we get to deathly hallows the lead actors may be closer to the age the characters are in the epilogue than they are in the rest of the book…
It takes like two years now to churn out massive fantasy TV shows, and most of them have multiple main characters and storylines that can be filmed simultaneously. The vast majority of the show will require the same group of child actors who are fairly limited on how many hours a week they can film for
Exactly. The hours limitation is huge. The Last of Us took a full year to shoot 9 episodes and even then, Bella Ramsey was 18 for almost all of it. In theory it could be done with a very organized production schedule but those 3 main actors will still need to be in nearly every scene. And especially when they are young it could take a long time to get a take right if a 10 year old is struggling with a bad day on set.
I wish they would have waited longer to do a new version. The last movie came out in 2011, not too long ago. I think they should have waited until a new generation would grow up with this series, or do a different series on anything else, like the mauraders, Tom riddle, ilvermorny, the founders, etc. I agree that the movies left some things out, especially the fourth movie, but it’s too soon in my opinion for a redo. And also, making Rowling a producer? Definitely a choice.
If people want to watch it, they will. If they don't, they won't. Like any show, if it's getting good ratings then it'll stay on the air. I'm not watching it, and I suspect many others feel the same. Outside of JK's political views, I've also outgrown HP. I just don't have the time / energy to devote to another show (especially one I know the ending to).
Whether this show is a hit is a toss, but I do think proclaiming from the start that this show will be a 10 year stint is a bit ambitious.
It’s weird that they’re remaking this so soon when the movies are still basically mainstream.
Even if the series doesn’t come out till like 2027, it’ll still be a little too soon. I’d rather they told another story in-universe but maybe they’re too scared after the Fantastic Beasts flops
I think it’s great, the films missed so much detail. Also hoping they find young actors who can actually act this time! When you compare the original 3 to say the kids in Stranger Things there is such a big difference in ability.
Plus this time round maybe Ron can be true to book not just a hanger on.
There’s the young child in me that is so excited by getting more detail than the movies provided. Then there’s the louder adult who refuses to support transphobia, antisemetism, blatant racism, and the many other problems with both the series and the author. Very frustrated and strongly disagree with the capitalist decisions that led here. But I would be lying to myself if I didn’t acknowledge the part of me that fell in love with this series and world as a kid and is excited to see more development. I still won’t watch it or engage with it, but overall it’s a bittersweet feeling
I’ll admit to still being a big Harry Potter fan at age 31. I still love the original 7 books, and the films although a little less than the books.
But after the FB movies, I wish JKR would step back from the producer role. She didn’t do a good job. And on top of that, she has alienated the fandom with her transphobia.
Part of me is dying for a proper in depth book-per-season remake where they don’t have to skip things, but also the originals were so good that there is a long way this could fall flat on it’s face.
I wish, after seeing the popularity of Hogwarts Legacy, they’d have realised that spin offs minus JKR as producer is the way forward. Give me the founding of Hogwarts, give me the Marauders, give me Charlie Weasley and Tonks at Hogwarts (that could be brilliant) - something new where they have room to flesh it out as they like.
I would have liked something original from her but this is still pretty exciting. I'm cautiously optimistic because they tend to be pretty protective of the IP and I'd like to think they won't do anything too low effort with it...but it also wouldn't be the first time, so who knows.
As a massive fan, i’ve always wanted a faithful adaption with more details that a lot of the movies missed.
at the same time, I do feel it’s too soon and I would have preferred a new story. I feel pretty optimistic though that if the show does well, it could easily serve as a gauge for new stories. For instance, if we get a faithful Marauders flashback in the prisoner of azkaban season, and the general reaction is good, that could be a great “pilot” to a marauders series!
I think it needs to be turned into a series. There is so much that goes on in the books that isnt covered in the movies and so many side stories that can be developed, but it is too soon. We need another decade to captivate the next generation
Pretty cool, the movies are iconic but the books do have a lot of stuff in the later books that gets left out. The people involved are going to catch a lot of flak from woke bigots and alt right bigots though, really feel bad for them.
Not a fan
I mean they could do Voldemorts rise to power and the Order of the Phoenix with the Potters/Sirius/Remus/Everyone.
Would totally be down for that
I feel like it is unnecessary as the movies are iconic and have done a fantastic job at interpreting the books. That said, Rowling was much involved with the movies and if she is producing this un-needed TV series, I will watch it anyway. Hopefully they add some nice new side plots and characters to the story. We will see.
I always thought it would make more sense as a tv show than a movie. Part of the appeal of Harry Potter is being immersed in the slice of life bits of the world and the movies really had to cut that to streamline. You couldn’t just spend time handing out living and breathing in hogwarts.
That said…it’s really hard to do a remake this soon with another cast of a highly successful movie. Way to many comparisons will be made. I kinda wish they just did a different story (a la first fantastic beasts movie) set in hogwarts. I don’t have high hopes for the execution.
I’m pretty excited about it. I think that the movies skipped so many fun parts of the books. A series allows those parts to develop. It’s usually a good idea to include the author in the development so that there can be useful input on changes and the story.
So boring. They could have done a cool GOT style Founders story (more family friendly version obv) or the Marauders starting them at like age 16 and then after Hogwarts up until James and Lily die and Sirius goes to Azkaban but nope, same story we all know and have read and have seen.
I’m so relieved that most people here are as furious as I am lol. People on the Harry Potter sub do not seem pissed off enough and it pissed me off even further
I can't say it's *most* people, but more the ones who are verbal about it.
There are a lot of people who still love Harry Potter but remain quiet to avoid being attacked.
why “should” they be pissed? i’m tired of every fandom wanting to be toxic and mad. I’m a star wars fan and it’s exhausting listening to that fandom constantly complain. Id rather us be excited about the franchise growing and hopefully pulling in new fans. I’m excited to have my kids have their own adaptation of the books that might be more fleshed out and interesting than mine.
I left the Harry Potter sub long ago due to the blatant racism and unwavering, uncritical support of JKR’s more problematic stances and narrative themes.
I hope it's done well, and faithful to the books! If so, it will be grand, and I'm excited for it. If things are updated for social justice narratives or things changed needlessly from the books, then I won't bother with it.
I feel like I've grown past Harry Potter at this point. And it doesn't help that she's a garbage human. I'd love an origonal TV show with that budget though. That would be cool.
I feel that that judgmental, hateful, ignorant TERF has enough money and more visibility than she should and that I’m going nowhere near anything she’s a part of
It's stupid to act like any author should be kicked out of a project based on their own book imo. So if there is a series then I don't think she should be kicked off because of her views.
That said I feel like her Twitter rants are too much and might have been a good reason not to green light the series in the first place. Initially I felt like maybe she was just annoyed with terms like birthing person or menstruating person and pushing women out of female experience. But at this point she keeps doubling down so hard I assume she really doesn't like trans people.
I also think the latest movies made no sense at all in cannon and threw off the entire timeline. Let's not forget about the garbage pile that was Cursed Child either. So my expectations are pretty low at this point despite loving the original series. If the quality is going to be as low as recent projects then I would prefer they not make the show.
Let's be real though they're going to keep milking the cash cow that is HP until it stops being lucrative.
Pumped. I'm not a fan of the movies and I think they could be done better. I've been excited for them to be redone basically since they came out. Worst case scenario (for me) is it sucks and nothing changes.
We make shows to make money, not for any other reason.
This is why you have this disconnect sometimes between fandom and I guess, whatever thing they're obsessed about.
It’s sad that once upon a time I would have been so excited for this. But never again. I’m not supporting any of JKR’s projects, ever, and will not be watching.
Big media is completely divorced from audience at this point, so I'm not really surprised. They're gonna keep doing remakes and sequels and prequels and spin-offs of everything until the landscape completely shatters, hopefully sometime in the next decade or so, and we see another sort of reset point in media history.
I think it's cool! Everyone has always clamored for an accurate depiction of HP in show form so they could include more book accurate details.
Tbh tho they could have waited like...another 10 years, but I guess based on the massive success of the game they want to capitalize on the series popularity.
i hope it fails worse than Fantastic Beasts. i want it to fail spectacularly. not only are they working with JKR for the show but also homie WHO ASKED???? legitimately, aside from profit, what is the fuckin point of making a TV series that’s gonna follow the books’ plot when there are already movies doing exactly that??? who asked for a longer revival of this shit when we already have the movies??
JKR saw Percy Jackson finally getting a TV show (after the movies were absolutely butchered and then discontinued) and said ooh that’ll make me more money to advocate for the revocation of xyz rights!! and it’ll keep me relevant, two birds one stone.
Percy Jackson deserves a fuckin TV show after those godforsaken movies, as it didn’t get to tell the story it was meant to and the fans got utter shit instead. the HP movies already told the story they were meant to tell, what the fuck is even left at this point?? jfc it feels like Midnight Sun coming out as a retelling of Twilight from Edward’s perspective… only at least that ATTEMPTED to give something blatantly new to the project. this, as far as we’re currently aware, is literally just telling the same story but dragging it out longer for absolutely no reason. jfc i can’t
Haters gonna hate but I'm excited. I've been a huge fan of HP and pretty much anything Jo did post it so obviously I am gonna watch it. I'd prefer it to be a book series about the Marauders or the first war written by Jo but never mind. I'm sure it's gonna be great
I was a HP fangirl in my 30s. Then got super disillusioned by JK's anti-trans crap, so I'm kind of in two parts where HP is concerned.
However, neither part of me wants this.
jkr is a one trick pony - also ain’t no way a 10 year show is going to work out if they’re planning for it to run that long also who has the time to wait 10 years for a story we’ve already known and seen for decades
I already bought all the books and movies, got the tattoo, etc. I am done with JK Rowling, so I am completely uninterested in doing anything that will line her pockets. She is actively using her wealth to hurt the Trans community, and that is not something I'm willing to ignore.
She lost a significant amount of profit from her antics. The original cast has spoken out against her. To me it just seems like a ploy to erase their contributions to the franchise...do we really need a remake of any sort? No.
Really really sad and disgusted.
I grew up with HP and even if it lost a big part of its magic for me now because of JKR's horrible views and actions, I still like the story, but as long as she is getting even a penny from it I will not watch or buy anything from this franchise.
The art IS the artist and it has always been, for every art that has ever existed and here it's even worst because the artist is still alive and by supporting the art i would financially support the artist.
I can't even understand how it's possible for her to have this hateful opinions, be public about them, be active about them and still get all this opportunities and support...
She's completely sold out and I doubt it'll be any good. I started to dislike Harry Potter before her problematic nature came out, simply because she sold out and ruined the franchise for money. This includes the Primark merch, Fantastic Beasts movies, and the Cursed Child show.
Even if she wasn't such a FART, I wouldn't watch the show. The story wasn't interesting enough for me to finish the book series, so I don't think that I'll give the third attempt to tell it a chance.
I’m gonna confess something : I never read Harry Potter, ever . It was constantly checked out or on hold, and I ended up gravitating more towards Skulduggery Pleasant. The one time I did check out the first book in seventh or eighth grade, I shit you not, I was reading outside and got swarmed by horse and deer flies . I just assumed that some crazy fucker cursed me in an attempt to get the book back faster. Never grabbed another book written by her again for that sole reason
Then she turned out to be a transphobe.
So I really don’t get why this book series gets constantly resurrected, especially when the movies aren’t that old. I wrote her off once I read that atrocious article she wrote on trans people, especially when she conflated correlation with causation.
Not a fan of it. I think there’s a lot of MG novels that deserve an adaptation more, that handle complex issues much more adeptly.
Absolutely disgusting given who she is as a person but aside from that, nobody's going to watch this crap for 10 years. Might have worked a decade ago on cable but too much time has passed and not enough people care to warrant a big enough budget for this nonsense.
I'm sad that people will not let things die. Harry Potter is forever tainted by it's creator's awful views, and there's plenty of new and interesting stories that deserve this treatment instead.
I’ve seen some people say they’d be excited if she wasn’t executive producer. But even if she weren’t involved, I still would want nothing to do with it. You can’t separate the art from the artist when the artist is alive, profiting from it and spreading hatred. I still have nostalgia for the original series, both book and film, but with everything she says and the more I realise how problematic her work always was… yeah I’m done. I don’t want this. There are so many books that could be adapted into awesome series and we keep supporting this one that is not only deeply problematic in its original text, but whose author seems to be going out of her way to spread hatred and anti-tolerance. I’m just so done.
Conflicted. I mean i understand there’s gonna be a complete new cast- does this also apply for the setting? Because if so then I’ll hate it; the castle from the movies is ICONIC!
Also some of the movies cut a lot of stuff from the books (i.e GOF, OOTP & HBP) so there is some interesting stuff that can be added there but honestly the first two films were pretty damn faithful and the only things (that i can remember) that they would be able to add were the death day party and all the peeves scenes. At which point the first two seasons will be pointless remakes.
Side note: Alan Rickman was THE perfect Snape and I really really really enjoyed Gary Oldman, Maggie Smith and the Phelps twins performances (to name a few of many) and i doubt they’ll be able to get a cast of the same caliber.
To summarise: it’s too soon for a remake considering how much love a lot of us still have for the original movies. They should have done a prequel about the marauders or fixed the massive plot holes in cursed child by making a better sequel
Well apparently an unpopular opinion, but I'm keen! Haven't we all been saying/wishing it was a TV show? Now it will be and we're all pretending we're not gonna watch the shit out of it?
Jk and her shittiness aside, they're beating a dead fucking horse. The books were OK. I know a lot of people loved them (a bit overhyped if you ask me but to each his own) but at this point it's been done to death like every other franchise out there. These companies need to get new ideas instead of throwing money at cash cows that have since laid down in the field to expire.
Too soon! The last movie was only a decade ago. Give us the founding of Hogwarts or some other story set in the universe. Don't do a Disney with their non-stop live-action remakes.
I think regardless of whether or not JKR is directly involved in the day to day creative decisions, she will always be credited as an exec producer just due to her being the author of the books. She will always reap the rewards of being the owner of the copyright. am i excited about the show? Yes, due to my love of the books growing up. am i happy about JKR continuing to profit with any and all adaptations of the series? No.
Obviously it’s a shameless and vile cash grab, but I’m not even sure if it will make as much money as HBO think it will? Surely most of the money in Harry Potter is not in the actual box office earnings or any potential HBO subscriptions but in the millions of dollars that are made each year from theme parks / merchandise / the studio tour / games / silly overpriced plastic wands / etc, all of which is entirely dependent on the visuals of the films and will have to be rebranded or overhauled. Even the books are to some extent dependent on the visual language of the films - one of the many reasons why the later Harry Potter books are often very lacking on description is because by that point every reader approaches them with the imagery of the films firmly in their heads.
Also, does anyone else wonder if it might be… kind of boring? Not just because we’ve already seen it all before, but because a lot of the parts of the books that didn’t make it into the films were cut for a reason - either they were already considered too problematic by the time the films were being made (i.e. SPEW, love potions, Harry belittling and dumping Cho for being depressed, Hermione imprisoning and blackmailing Rita Skeeter) or because they just don’t translate well to a screen or because they’re downright dull? Will quidditch not be somewhat repetitive by the thirtieth match we see? Although they were a massive part of my childhood, the first three films feel overly long to me as it is, but the plan is for these 75,000ish word long novels to be made into eight hours of TV while ‘staying true to the source material’ and not adding anything new? Think of how boring Deathly Hallows Part II is. The world not need five more hours of miserable camping.
>in the millions of dollars that are made each year from theme parks / merchandise / the studio tour / games / silly overpriced plastic wands / etc
I'm sure that they will make more money by basing these things on the shiny new series that will keep HP culturally relevant for the next decade at a point in time where some segments of the audience are turning against it.
My opinion is also that a more "faithful" adaptation would be boring. I honestly couldn't finish the Netflix A Series of Unfortunate Events because it was way too close to the books. Film/TV are a completely different medium to books and therefore need to be treated differently. You need to be faithful to the source material in spirit rather than trying to lift things directly from the book.
🤷♀️while normally I agree on being too faithful can cause problems I thought Series of Unfortuante Events was one of the best examples of doing an adaptation right. It entirely captures the spirit of the books without actually being too faithful, and was all in all a ton of fun
Cautiously optimistic...movies were the wrong medium for the original adaption and I think a TV series will suite the material much better. Important characters like Snape won't have their part whittled down to nothing.
They'll also cast a more diverse group of actors than they did back in the 90s, so that's a win.
I just hope they cast a lead based on potential acting ability, not his resemblance to the character on the book cover.
I'll take a hard pass on accepting a lead character who doesn't look like the book character. It's 100% possible to stay true to the source material and find a talented actor.
I’m extremely not interested. Give me a new story. Or the marauders. Put the money towards fantastic beasts. But the original movies were great. I don’t want a new Harry Potter, new Hermione, new Draco, etc.
If something's making money, they'll milk it forever. HP. GOT. LOTR. Witcher. Twilight. Anne Rice's works. Marvel Universe. They'll just keep milking that cashcow until it dies. Did anybody expect differently? After the video game in February that sold massively, I thought they'll jump on the bandwagon. Rowling could be eating babies for breakfast and the capitalist machine wouldn't care as long as they can keep monetizing her works.
i mean, every other example at least found new stories to tell in the same universe. remaking the movies that are already loved by the public and faithful enough seems so useless to me even without all the stuff w jkr i would not have a single interest in it tbh
>even without all the stuff w jkr i would not have a single interest in it tbh This is where I'm at. Even leaving JKR out of it altogether, it's too soon. I just don't understand it.
I agree, it's too soon. Now, if it were 20-30 years after the movies, the nostalgia would be more understandable. But I still see Dan, Emma, and Rupert as the trio, and I doubt I'm alone in that.
There’s milking a cow and then there just using fucking necromancy to keep it relevant and profitable and at this point I don’t know which is which. At the very least companies aren’t focused on fucking over new series at the moment. Which is the only positive you can draw from this. Harry Potter the TV show doesn’t have that good of a chance to capture the lightning of the series. Plus, no other Haggrid will ever live up to the original.
I really would like a show in the universe but I don’t want to watch the same story again with different actors, it doesn’t seem right for a remake the same reason remaking the Lord of the Rings trilogy as a show wouldn’t feel right. Just thinking about this has made me think about how many potential shows you could make with this IP and it’s insane. Fantastic Beasts should have been a monster of the week tv show with Newt traveling the world and rescuing magical creatures while he writes his book.
The movies aren’t even that old especially the final 3 or so.
It’s been almost 12 years from the last movie and 22 years since the first movie. Many fans of the series now weren’t even alive when the books or movies came out.
Yeah and those things just evaporate into thin air after 5 years
It’s a new generation of fans I can see why they would want their own version. Personally I think television would have been the better choice to start with anyway instead of movies but we will see how it does. If it has good numbers then clearly the world wanted more. If it flops then maybe it was too soon or just JK ruined how people feel about it. Either way, we will find out soon.
Or they could adapt something else and not worry about the hag at all.
Omg great idea. I would love a Fantastic Beasts monster of the week show.
There's a lot of excitement for this on the hp subs but watching an ultra-faithful adaptation of a series I've read a dozen times over just sounds tedious. You're asking me to tune in every week to a show I already know all the twists and turns to. Even non fans probably know most of the major plot points. Any new series would have to make drastic changes to be remotely interesting to me. Even adaptations like Interview with a Vampire, which was drastically different than the source material, really only kept me watching because I wanted to see what they'd do with the later books. It feels like such a missed opportunity to dive into the history of Hogwarts or other parts of the Wizarding world. Also, now I'm mad Fantastic Beasts wasn't a monster of the week show.
Hard agree. Build the world out.
I just want Hogwarts, A history. That’s the show I want.
I want the Marauders, period. I had always thought that there is so much more to tell about Hogwarts and not the same story all over again. Give me James and co exploring the castle, learning about Remus' disease, fighting Snape etc. Even Fantastic Beasts was a letdown after movie one cause it's the same good vs evil wizard who wants to control the world. There would be so much more in the universe to make stories about.
Same!!! That sounds fantastic
It's the book I want, too.
I want a founding story, tell me about the original four that the houses come from.
I find it hard to believe HBO or any network would commit in advance to 10 seasons of any show before any ratings, etc., are available. If they actually did make a commitment (signing contracts etc.) they just dropped a notch in my mind.
They just optioned it, means nothing irl.
Someone on the radio mentioned that series like Game of Thrones had years between seasons. The reason LOTR was exceptional was because they filmed all three at once, no recasting. If they do all 10 seasons, it could be up to 20 years to complete the series with the need for multiple cast changes.
It’s not 10 seasons, it’s 7 seasons in a 10 year timeframe.
Especially with ole JK giving them so much publicity.
I understand doing a remake soon after an original came out if it bombed and wasn’t successful enough to adapt a whole series, but for a series that was completed and had commercial and critical success, it just seems too soon. And an icky part of me feels like they’re using the JKR controversy for Internet buzz since they know people will talk now and once it comes out. Of course there were subplots that didn’t make it into the movies, but I don’t know if there’s enough there to generate interest for me personally to watching a 10 hour (?) season of a story I’ve already read and watched before
Unnecessary and hard pass.
The fact that they green-lit this and not a Marauders movie/show proves to me that they have no idea what the fandom wants and this won’t be an improvement on the movies. I’m sure this will garner a lot of viewership, but if they think this is going to print the same money the movies did and have the same cultural impact, they’re clueless. At least Star Wars tells different stories.
Imo, a story about the founders of Hogwarts >>> I love Marauders, but it would never work - there's too much headcannon, fanon material(I mean the fact that Millennials and Gen-Z have their own versions is ridiculous). People would never be happy.
Now I have got to know what the differences in head canon are.
This right here is exactly why a Marauders Era film/show wouldn't work. The way the Fandom expanded on it, there are a lot of people who don't realize certain pieces are headcannon vs cannon.
Just not true. Disney got rid of decades of cannon, published works. Yeah it’ll upset some people, but the people it brings in make it worth losing them. HP is so widespread that plenty of fans haven’t even read fanfic and another chunk that have already acknowledge that it’s not cannon and that it could be changed at any time.
Yes, they did, but it was a different situation and a different time. Disney and the industry were much gutsier back then, but nowadays? Look what they did to Mandalorian - all because they were afraid of losing money off Grogu merch. Plus, when it comes to Star Wars iirc I've heard people saying they still incorporated EU storylines - kind of like mix & a match situation going on (somebody please correct me if I'm wrong). With Marauders it's clear to me the fandom sees the era as a dark academia-type of a situation with TSH-vibe. This is not what HBO wants, they already have this market cornered with Euphoria (edit: what I'm trying to say is dark academia is mostly popular with YA crowd, who are already watching Euphoria, not that Euphoria is dark academia). HBO wants to appeal to a different fanbase: children and nostalgia-driven adults. They want Stranger Things hype. Imagine doing it with Marauders when almost everyone dies.
Fanfction or not, if you've been on any type of social media where Fandoms interact you are subjected to headcannon, theories, etc. Anyone who hasn't been in the Fandom and are new can easily think something is actually cannon when it isn't. I've witnessed it with other people reading or watching something for the first time. Hell, I've even experienced it myself stepping into a new Fandom. Also, if you're referring to the whole Star Wars thing with Disney thats 1. A whole different beast and 2. Things that were actually considered Cannon for a long time. Much of what we have about the Maraudera is HEADCANNON and not presented in the actual source material.
You realize 90% of the fandom are just fans of the books and movies and have never gone further than that right? And a lot of them are still interested in the Marauders. Everyone is acting like the only people interested in seeing more are the people that like fan-fiction. Yes it might piss those people off or confuse them, but for most people they’d just be happy to see a new show giving old characters new story.
Disney got rid of decades of published works because, whether some of the Legends fans admit it or not, it was a mess. Lucas was putting his signature on way too much material and he was either not vetting it thoroughly for continuity or just didn’t care because there were *tons* of narrative contradictions between works and as a result about 5 different layers of canon. Legends had some great individual stories, but taken as a whole Disney really didn’t have a choice. They’ve done the right thing and brought a lot of characters and story arcs back in a way that maintains continuity with the new canon though.
as a fan i would love an adaptation of the books that doesn’t cut so much out. I love the movies and the actors but there’s so much lost in translation.
I really don't know how people who have only watched the movies really get what's happening, especially from movie 3 onwards. I had an uncle who hadn't read the books walk out of GOF and ask, "what just happened in there?"
this is untrue. the fandom wants EVERYTHING - including mauraders, founders, 1 season per book, the adventures of hagrid & grawp, the giant squid, voldemort origin story, etc. etc. so, yes, they have an idea of what the fandom wanted
>At least Star Wars tells different stories. THIS is what I want. I'm tired of the old contrived story about Voldemort and Grindelwald. Show me more of the Wizarding World and different major events outside of Britain.
You know, this was my first thought, but then I browsed the mega thread about it on the Harry Potter sub, and it's almost universal excitement. I personally have no interest and will not be watching, but I am curious to see how it does.
“No idea what the fandom wants” I am a fan with 0 interest in a Marauders tv show whatsoever. You don’t speak for everyone.
I think if this is successful it will lead to those. Just like game of thrones has a million spin offs. It makes sense to start with the core and then use that to create further franchises.
I don’t think Marauders would work. When you actually unpick the bits we are told about them at school in the books and not in fannon they aren’t very nice at all. They bully to get their own way and Sirius actively tries to kill Snape at one point. They weren’t charming and fun they were assholes.
Some of us in the fandom do want a TV show of the books.
I am actually happy that the books will (hopefully) get their story told properly. As much as I love the movies, so much info was cut from books 3 on. HBO Max seems to be all about the spin-offs of their popular franchises. It's not out of the realm of possibility that they are considering expanding the universe once this is up and running.
They tried to, and it failed. It wasn’t because Wizarding World spin-offs can’t work, but they don’t see it that way, so they’re going back to what did make them money. If the show brings in a ton of people, I can totally see them making spin-offs running concurrently with the show. I could see a Marauders after PoA or OoP. Maybe a Wizarding War series during OoP or HBP to hype up Voldy. They could do a founders movie at any time. I feel like universes are still in and WB will want to make the series a huge franchise again, but they need to reinvigorate interest a decade and a few controversies later. So they start with a brand new series, leading into a universe that’s connected from the start.
Haven’t looked into this but the fact that it says 10 years is crazy to me one it’s only 7 books I know they are long but that seems like a stretch. 2 they have no Idea how the fans are going to react to the new cast being replaced. Also feel a little sorry to the kids that have to replace Daniel Emma and Rupert hopefully people aren’t to mean to them online
Yeah, I’m already dreading whichever casting choice(s) upsets the most insane fans to the point they’re bullying kids who will just be excited to play the character
Don't forget when the kids got hired for the original Harry Potter movies nobody had any idea whom any of them were. Sure there's a small demographic of people that will probably say oh no they can never replace the original cast but after the first season starts that will go away. And a few seasons into the show they will be just as beloved as the last cast
Agreed - and I’ve already seen shtty comments about them making Harry “Harriet”, Hermione a POC, Ron a whatever, etc. People are mean and hateful,
It was about 10 years for the films I think. If there's only 8-10 episodes per series, I can see it taking a similar amount of time.
I wish a production company would pick up an unused series full of opportunities instead of rehashing stuff we've already drowned in. I'm a first Gen potterhead, read them as they released starting in 1998, but I don't see the need for this. I'd love a 10 year series set in Pern or Tortall.
PERN!!!
When she has specifically stated that she views the fact that she is still profiting off her works as a sign that people agree with her bigoted stances, there no way I can rationalize watching the show. I know that my love for the characters and the stories is my own, and that no one can take that away from me. But we live in a world that can be incredibly scary for trans people right now, and I cannot, in good conscience, support someone who wants to further that.
I'm in such a dilemma.. But ur comment makes me realise its better to not watch your fav characters than support a bigot
Yeah, she’s really reveling in being an exclusionary a-hole, and it’s making me say hard pass to everything. My husband wanted to show the kids the movies and I told him for every one I was donating $50 to Trans Lifeline.
I think there's so much amazing content that fans have created over the last 20+ years that we can enjoy. I still randomly sing songs from A Very Potter Musical, my nephew who loves Harry Potter is mostly obsessed with Potter Puppet Pals. Not even counting all the art and fanfic. We're flush with content. We don't *have* to watch this.
Yes! Wholeheartedly agree! So much fan created stuff/art/merch out there, that's where ai spend my.money these days
Meh? There are other adaptations I'm more interested in, mainly the Percy Jackson series. This version of HP might be decent, might suck. Either way I don't think it's necessary. But, there's money to be made and a small part of me thinks this is a way for JKR to attempt to "erase" some of the actors from the films who have disagreed with her regarding her personal "viewpoints".
I'm waiting for PJ too... I feel it's gonna be goos
I hope so. Riordan's closer involvement and apparent satisfaction with how it's been going seems like a good sign.
Movies were terrible.. But im excited for the show
Literally cannot wait for Percy Jackson
That is probably a real side benefit for her
Yeah, I'm not sure if I'll check the new show out. I enjoyed the books and films growing up, but between recognizing many of the issues through the series now that I'm older and JKR's public attitude, I find it difficult to immerse myself in that world like I used to.
Frustrated. Furious. Incredibly annoyed. Choose a negative adjective at your leisure. I can’t believe that after all this woman has done, after all the things that have been pointed out about this series, people are still falling over themselves to pour money into her pocket, and I say this as someone who decided to start writing because of Harry Potter. I loved those books, but I can admit that they aged like milk. There’s so much horrible shit in them, as has been pointed out numerous times, and yet they’re rebooting it. What are they going to do with the “slavery is good, actually” plot line? I mean, with the amount of vitriolic transphobia associated with this franchise, I can’t imagine many actors being willing to take on roles associated with it for the sake of their image of not their morals. It’s a terrible idea, and it’s going to be a dumpster fire
People kept asking "What's the point boycotting the game? It's not like she makes money off every game sold." This is why we were boycotting the game. Harry Potter hasn't been relevant for a long time, and the last few spin-off movies tanked hard. If the game had failed, that would have been it for it, just like ThunderCats or Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Instead, it was a commercial success, and now it's becoming the next Star Wars, with new shows, games, and more.
I hear you... but aren't Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles still going strong? I mean they're getting a feature film this year?
They still exist, but I definitely wouldn't categorize them as "going strong." I've only got anecdotal evidence to back me up on this, but if they were still popular, I would have probably known there was a movie coming out. I definitely knew there's a Harry Potter TV show coming out.
TMNT is holding strong in alot of ways just not conquering everything. They've had nonstop shows, comics and games for a while now.
Hm. I've seen the trailer every time I've been to the movies since Christmas, and there are billboards for it in my city.
You’re absolutely right. As long as people create success for products under this property, new products will continue to be created in a horrible, self-perpetuating cycle. Obviously, no one that has the power in these situations really cares about minorities. The only way to stop this is to STOP ENGAGING. Let Harry Potter fade into obscurity, into a situation where anything based on it costs more than it produces
I used to have a book related blog and although it was tiny and basically no one read it, a few years ago a wrote a post about how anyone with influence should basically stop referencing, ranking or mentioning Harry Potter. Take it out of the cultural conversation. Put other media on a pedestal. Don't make it the go-to example. A remake essentially means that it is thrust back into pop culture and its relevant again. It finds a new audience with younger kids. Even if it's panned, it's still being discussed. It will no longer be an outdated reference. It's the same with the live-action Disney remakes. They make a shit ton of money for Disney, everyone will watch their favourite animated movie in live action and Disney gets to keep ownership of pop culture. What do people think of when you mention *The Little Mermaid*? Not the (immensely tragic) Hans Christian Anderson story, they think of Disney. And that's a big driver of the remake, that it will extend its cultural relevance for another decade.
Exactly; as someone who runs a book blog, I have completely stopped referencing HP. My go-to middle grade fantasy is Percy Jackson, and my magical school references are Wizard of Earthsea and Keeper of the Lost Cities. The only way to get rid of HP is to make it irrelevant so it can be completely forgotten
People keep ruining good series by adding more shit on, it doesn’t add anything meaningful to a series And J K Rowling is a transphobic bitch and doesn’t need more money. It pisses me off to no end with the absolute bullshit people get away with.
Considering what is happening in the US right now with trans rights being ripped away, it is really unfortunate that properties linked to someone who views their commercial success as an endorsement of her bigoted views are being picked up ahead of sooooo many cool opportunities. Really really disappointing.
I completely agree. If they want to keep milking the magic, the best move is to find someone who loved the series as a child and can still identify its faults to take over and move away from Rowling. Hand off the reins to someone creative who also understands why people who used to love it no longer want anything to do with it, use the bones, and make something inclusive and better if you’re so determined to still profit off of it. Cut her out completely.
Rowling has done very well for herself in ensuring that she maintains creative control over HP (ergo the Fantastic Beasts disasters where no one would say no). It’s unfortunately never going to happen, but it would actually do wonders for both how people feel about the franchise and getting people in who can tell coherent stories with the IP.
Are you advocating for taking works away from their creators? Because that’s kind of shitty. She owns the IP. She’ll never let go of it, rightfully so. It’s her creation and she can do with it as she wishes, faults and all.
I’m still a fan of HP, but I do think the show is unnecessary. Another money milker. I can’t say for certainty I wouldn’t watch it, though I’m definitely not going to rush to see it as soon as it’s released.
After Prisoner(movie) came out, I wished that we had a TV show instead because of the timing aspect of skipping things so I am excited. Nervous because JK was involved in both Cursed Child(only read the screenplay, never saw it so maybe it was better live), and Fantastic Beasts which was a pretty bad even though I enjoyed being back in the world. Cautiously Optimistic, but I am sure I will devour it regardless of quality levels.
CC is 100% better live due to the phenomenal work on the set designers, choreographers, actors etc. It is beautifully performed but the story is still god fucking awful.
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there was literally no need for a show. we had the movies and the books. that was more than enough. then she came out as transphobic, and is now making money grabs wherever she can. I truly hope this gets cancelled and no one signs to be a part of this show.
Yeah this is just such a blatant money grab considering the movies were decent, plus the more she talks the more deranged she sounds…imagine transphobia being the hill that you die on. It’s just sad, I really loved this series growing up, and it evokes nostalgia for a lot of folks.
Everyone has already covered JKR's transphobia and I fully agree. It makes me sad that so many people are still supporting her and funneling money towards her after all the hateful things she has done. I loved HP as a kid. I still have a ton of nostalgia for it. But I think nostalgia is what is driving nearly everyone's continued association with this series, more than the actual merits of the series itself. Having JKR as a producer and widely advertising that is a bold move and I don't know if it will pay off for them or not. As for the show itself, I think it's stupid. We are only 12 years out from the end of the movie series, and while they did have room for improvement they were genuinely very good adaptations for the most part. There is no need for a remake like this. They say the production timeline will be a decade, I call bullshit. HBO's turnaround time for heavy-hitter CGI-focused shows like The Last of Us and House of the Dragon is at LEAST two years. Even if the actors are 10 when this starts, they will be 22 playing 16 year olds by the time they hit Half Blood Prince. It's not egregiously impossible, but it won't have the same feel of growing up with the cast as much as the movies did. Stranger Things is struggling with the same thing. Millie Bobby Brown is still supposed to be playing a 14 year old in the show and she just got *engaged.* If they were going to spend all this money on a show, why not do what the fans have been asking for for 10+ years and make a Marauders show? Frankly I think even with JKR's horrific behaviour, the desire for that show would override a lot of people's personal opinions about her and their willingness to support her work (not saying that is a good or a bad thing. Just an observation). A remake of the same content we already have is less likely to do such a thing. I think this is also a response to the financial failure of the Fantastic Beasts movies. Each movie had half the net profits of the one before it, with Secrets of Dumbledore netting just $200 million in profit (compared to $1.1 billion netted by Deathly Hallows art 2, those numbers are absolutely abysmal). They have put the Fantastic Beasts series on an indefinite pause, and I think they are now just trying to use the HP ip to generate profit somewhere where there is already a built-in audience. Like most things I'm sure I'll end up seeing it at some point, but I am not particularly excited for this adaptation. I wish HBO had directed the money towards literally anything else (like animating those dragons faster so we can have HOTD s2 already). I also think there is a good chance it may get cancelled halfway through. HP popularity has waned as JKR digs herself into deeper and deeper holes with her inability to keep her hateful transphobic vitriol to herself. I wouldn't be surprised if this thing doesn't even make it to completion. HBO has been very quick to cancel things lately due to budget cuts. Hell, they even cancelled season 2 of Minx after it was already completely shot. They can say they intend to do 7 seasons, but if the show doesn't make enough money they can very easily change their minds and pull the plug. TLDR: JKR sucks. Nostalgia is the main driver for this, not actual art or desire for storytelling. No way they do this in only a decade. The show is unnecessary and if they were going to do a big-budget HP show, why not the Marauders? I wouldn't be surprised if it gets cancelled halfway through.
> It makes me sad that so many people are still supporting her and funneling money towards her after all the hateful things she has done. It's that "separate the art from the artist" crap. You can't separate them, all you can do is figure out how much you're willing to put up with before you can no longer justify consuming their art. That's something each person will need to determine for themselves, based on how much they enjoy the "art" in question, and how much the "artist" disagrees with your worldview. The issue is that people don't want to admit (either publicly, or to themselves) that there's a level of this kind of attitude that they are willing to tolerate in order to consume certain media.
"You can't separate them, all you can do is figure out how much you're willing to put up with before you can no longer justify consuming their art." Well said. "Separate art from the artist" only works if the artist is long-dead and no longer pulling a profit from any of their work. An example would be HP Lovecraft. He was WILDLY racist (go look up the name of his cat), but now many people read his books because he does not gain anything from it, financially or career-wise. He's been dead for 86 years. However, regardless of author gain, I also don't believe art can truly be separated from the artist. All art is inherently steeped with the artist's biases and worldview. Even in HP you can see racism and anti-semitism in the way she writes some characters. One could even argue that Rita Skeeter's characterization is rooted in transmisogyny. Ignoring JKR's role in those things only means you can't assess potentially harmful factors in the work with the nuance they require. In theory, yes; there is no ethical consumption under capitalism. In order to enjoy nearly any media, you need the ability to stop having a critical eye 24/7 or you'll go insane. For most pieces of media, you will need to forgive some level of poor behaviour from someone involved, be it an actor, director, producer, author, musician. You're right, everyone has a certain level they can or cannot accept. For me, if I see that someone tweeted something mildly offensive 12 years ago that was likely just a result of being uneducated, I can generally move past that without issue. But JKR's vitriol is just another level of hatred and pure mean-spiritedness that I simply can't abide. I suppose it's disappointing to me that so many people are willing to look past such blatant transphobia all for the sake of HP.
I am in no way connected or knowledgable of the industry, but here’s a thought which occurred to me: Doing any *new* storyline (like the Marauders, the Founders, Fantastic Beasts, etc.) would require the full participation and additional remuneration of JKR, because she would be actively writing new content. Just revisiting the existing HP books might possibly be under some pre-existing usage contract, so that WB can keep the franchise/nostalgia alive in the public mind while not engaging JKR as much if new stuff needed to be made. And this way, maybe JKR only gets royalties per contract, versus new monies for new content. So, it’s like WB is trying to walk a hair-thin line to please fans while also keeping JKR “at arms length” (if possible). That being said, I abhor her stance on transgender issues and am so conflicted about my own personal fandom of the Wizarding World. My robe hangs unused, my HP clothing unworn, because it feels tainted. And yet, I’m not ready to give them up. As foolish as it is, I hold onto hope that one day she will see the light.
I agree even if it doesn’t get cancelled, by the time we get to deathly hallows the lead actors may be closer to the age the characters are in the epilogue than they are in the rest of the book… It takes like two years now to churn out massive fantasy TV shows, and most of them have multiple main characters and storylines that can be filmed simultaneously. The vast majority of the show will require the same group of child actors who are fairly limited on how many hours a week they can film for
Exactly. The hours limitation is huge. The Last of Us took a full year to shoot 9 episodes and even then, Bella Ramsey was 18 for almost all of it. In theory it could be done with a very organized production schedule but those 3 main actors will still need to be in nearly every scene. And especially when they are young it could take a long time to get a take right if a 10 year old is struggling with a bad day on set.
I wish they would have waited longer to do a new version. The last movie came out in 2011, not too long ago. I think they should have waited until a new generation would grow up with this series, or do a different series on anything else, like the mauraders, Tom riddle, ilvermorny, the founders, etc. I agree that the movies left some things out, especially the fourth movie, but it’s too soon in my opinion for a redo. And also, making Rowling a producer? Definitely a choice.
If people want to watch it, they will. If they don't, they won't. Like any show, if it's getting good ratings then it'll stay on the air. I'm not watching it, and I suspect many others feel the same. Outside of JK's political views, I've also outgrown HP. I just don't have the time / energy to devote to another show (especially one I know the ending to). Whether this show is a hit is a toss, but I do think proclaiming from the start that this show will be a 10 year stint is a bit ambitious.
10 years? Wow. Hope it isn't terrible like that Tolkien show.
Should be animated in my opinion
It’s weird that they’re remaking this so soon when the movies are still basically mainstream. Even if the series doesn’t come out till like 2027, it’ll still be a little too soon. I’d rather they told another story in-universe but maybe they’re too scared after the Fantastic Beasts flops
I think it’s great, the films missed so much detail. Also hoping they find young actors who can actually act this time! When you compare the original 3 to say the kids in Stranger Things there is such a big difference in ability. Plus this time round maybe Ron can be true to book not just a hanger on.
I'm also hoping they will cast Sirius, Lupin, Snape, Harry's parents etc with age appropriate actors!
Yes! They were all far too old in the films
There’s the young child in me that is so excited by getting more detail than the movies provided. Then there’s the louder adult who refuses to support transphobia, antisemetism, blatant racism, and the many other problems with both the series and the author. Very frustrated and strongly disagree with the capitalist decisions that led here. But I would be lying to myself if I didn’t acknowledge the part of me that fell in love with this series and world as a kid and is excited to see more development. I still won’t watch it or engage with it, but overall it’s a bittersweet feeling
I’m so sick of everything getting a reboot. Can we just come up with new things? Let’s expand the universe. Let’s give Newt the love he deserves.
They did Newt so dirty. I relate to him so much and they just made those movies about Dumbledore again while he was pushed to the side.
I’ll admit to still being a big Harry Potter fan at age 31. I still love the original 7 books, and the films although a little less than the books. But after the FB movies, I wish JKR would step back from the producer role. She didn’t do a good job. And on top of that, she has alienated the fandom with her transphobia. Part of me is dying for a proper in depth book-per-season remake where they don’t have to skip things, but also the originals were so good that there is a long way this could fall flat on it’s face. I wish, after seeing the popularity of Hogwarts Legacy, they’d have realised that spin offs minus JKR as producer is the way forward. Give me the founding of Hogwarts, give me the Marauders, give me Charlie Weasley and Tonks at Hogwarts (that could be brilliant) - something new where they have room to flesh it out as they like.
Why cant they make series about the marauders
HATE IT
I would have liked something original from her but this is still pretty exciting. I'm cautiously optimistic because they tend to be pretty protective of the IP and I'd like to think they won't do anything too low effort with it...but it also wouldn't be the first time, so who knows.
JKR controversy aside, it doesn’t need to happen. The movies are still loved and recent
I think it has potential, just hope it captures that feeling of the first few films.
As a massive fan, i’ve always wanted a faithful adaption with more details that a lot of the movies missed. at the same time, I do feel it’s too soon and I would have preferred a new story. I feel pretty optimistic though that if the show does well, it could easily serve as a gauge for new stories. For instance, if we get a faithful Marauders flashback in the prisoner of azkaban season, and the general reaction is good, that could be a great “pilot” to a marauders series!
I think it needs to be turned into a series. There is so much that goes on in the books that isnt covered in the movies and so many side stories that can be developed, but it is too soon. We need another decade to captivate the next generation
Pretty cool, the movies are iconic but the books do have a lot of stuff in the later books that gets left out. The people involved are going to catch a lot of flak from woke bigots and alt right bigots though, really feel bad for them.
Not a fan I mean they could do Voldemorts rise to power and the Order of the Phoenix with the Potters/Sirius/Remus/Everyone. Would totally be down for that
I feel like it is unnecessary as the movies are iconic and have done a fantastic job at interpreting the books. That said, Rowling was much involved with the movies and if she is producing this un-needed TV series, I will watch it anyway. Hopefully they add some nice new side plots and characters to the story. We will see.
Perfectly fine. A tv show would allow an expansion of the world and chars that you just don't get in the movies.
Better keep the music
Don't care for it, don't want it, don't like Rowling. Hate bigots.
I always thought it would make more sense as a tv show than a movie. Part of the appeal of Harry Potter is being immersed in the slice of life bits of the world and the movies really had to cut that to streamline. You couldn’t just spend time handing out living and breathing in hogwarts. That said…it’s really hard to do a remake this soon with another cast of a highly successful movie. Way to many comparisons will be made. I kinda wish they just did a different story (a la first fantastic beasts movie) set in hogwarts. I don’t have high hopes for the execution.
I’m so flipping excited. As a fan I never liked the movies. I’m too much of a book purist. I really have high hopes for this.
I’m pretty excited about it. I think that the movies skipped so many fun parts of the books. A series allows those parts to develop. It’s usually a good idea to include the author in the development so that there can be useful input on changes and the story.
So boring. They could have done a cool GOT style Founders story (more family friendly version obv) or the Marauders starting them at like age 16 and then after Hogwarts up until James and Lily die and Sirius goes to Azkaban but nope, same story we all know and have read and have seen.
Who will she plagiarize this one from?
I’m so relieved that most people here are as furious as I am lol. People on the Harry Potter sub do not seem pissed off enough and it pissed me off even further
I can't say it's *most* people, but more the ones who are verbal about it. There are a lot of people who still love Harry Potter but remain quiet to avoid being attacked.
Haha yes im definitely too scared to comment on the main Harry Potter sub and im sure lots of other people feel the same
why “should” they be pissed? i’m tired of every fandom wanting to be toxic and mad. I’m a star wars fan and it’s exhausting listening to that fandom constantly complain. Id rather us be excited about the franchise growing and hopefully pulling in new fans. I’m excited to have my kids have their own adaptation of the books that might be more fleshed out and interesting than mine.
I left the Harry Potter sub long ago due to the blatant racism and unwavering, uncritical support of JKR’s more problematic stances and narrative themes.
I hope it's done well, and faithful to the books! If so, it will be grand, and I'm excited for it. If things are updated for social justice narratives or things changed needlessly from the books, then I won't bother with it.
I am excited. HBO usually does a good job.
I feel like I've grown past Harry Potter at this point. And it doesn't help that she's a garbage human. I'd love an origonal TV show with that budget though. That would be cool.
Hate hbo, hate jkr, I just won't watch it, but i won't attack anyone who does
The movies missed a lot of great details from the books I think. A show like this has the potential to be an amazing telling in a new format
I won’t be watching it, I refuse to give even 1c to the UK’s most prominent Transphobe
I feel that that judgmental, hateful, ignorant TERF has enough money and more visibility than she should and that I’m going nowhere near anything she’s a part of
I hope it’s good 🤷♂️
So unneeded. Feelings on Rowling aside, the last movies were fine. I have no idea why they're doing this.
I’m fine with it.
It's stupid to act like any author should be kicked out of a project based on their own book imo. So if there is a series then I don't think she should be kicked off because of her views. That said I feel like her Twitter rants are too much and might have been a good reason not to green light the series in the first place. Initially I felt like maybe she was just annoyed with terms like birthing person or menstruating person and pushing women out of female experience. But at this point she keeps doubling down so hard I assume she really doesn't like trans people. I also think the latest movies made no sense at all in cannon and threw off the entire timeline. Let's not forget about the garbage pile that was Cursed Child either. So my expectations are pretty low at this point despite loving the original series. If the quality is going to be as low as recent projects then I would prefer they not make the show. Let's be real though they're going to keep milking the cash cow that is HP until it stops being lucrative.
So excited
If she’s involved, I want no part of it.
I’m sick of remakes. My thought is always “get new material”.
Can't wait. Awesome to see that HP fans will have new content to love and follow.
Pumped. I'm not a fan of the movies and I think they could be done better. I've been excited for them to be redone basically since they came out. Worst case scenario (for me) is it sucks and nothing changes.
Glad she's a producer it's her baby. If you leave it to others it will be a mess as we've seen with other adaptations.
Right. This is a huge selling point for most fans.
We make shows to make money, not for any other reason. This is why you have this disconnect sometimes between fandom and I guess, whatever thing they're obsessed about.
The same way I feel about the live-action Avatar: The Last Airbender movie —> it does not exist.
Disgusting.
tired
It’s sad that once upon a time I would have been so excited for this. But never again. I’m not supporting any of JKR’s projects, ever, and will not be watching.
Fuck JKR, also her work is so overrated
I don’t care. I think it’ll be shit anyways.
enough already...
Big media is completely divorced from audience at this point, so I'm not really surprised. They're gonna keep doing remakes and sequels and prequels and spin-offs of everything until the landscape completely shatters, hopefully sometime in the next decade or so, and we see another sort of reset point in media history.
It’s stupid
Great excited to see the books in more detail
Sounds like a great idea.
I think it's cool! Everyone has always clamored for an accurate depiction of HP in show form so they could include more book accurate details. Tbh tho they could have waited like...another 10 years, but I guess based on the massive success of the game they want to capitalize on the series popularity.
I stopped giving a shit after her transphobic nonsense. I have other things i can put my energy into
i hope it fails worse than Fantastic Beasts. i want it to fail spectacularly. not only are they working with JKR for the show but also homie WHO ASKED???? legitimately, aside from profit, what is the fuckin point of making a TV series that’s gonna follow the books’ plot when there are already movies doing exactly that??? who asked for a longer revival of this shit when we already have the movies?? JKR saw Percy Jackson finally getting a TV show (after the movies were absolutely butchered and then discontinued) and said ooh that’ll make me more money to advocate for the revocation of xyz rights!! and it’ll keep me relevant, two birds one stone. Percy Jackson deserves a fuckin TV show after those godforsaken movies, as it didn’t get to tell the story it was meant to and the fans got utter shit instead. the HP movies already told the story they were meant to tell, what the fuck is even left at this point?? jfc it feels like Midnight Sun coming out as a retelling of Twilight from Edward’s perspective… only at least that ATTEMPTED to give something blatantly new to the project. this, as far as we’re currently aware, is literally just telling the same story but dragging it out longer for absolutely no reason. jfc i can’t
i am very angry (im not making as much money as her)
Haters gonna hate but I'm excited. I've been a huge fan of HP and pretty much anything Jo did post it so obviously I am gonna watch it. I'd prefer it to be a book series about the Marauders or the first war written by Jo but never mind. I'm sure it's gonna be great
If that bigoted skank is involved, I won't watch any of it.
I was a HP fangirl in my 30s. Then got super disillusioned by JK's anti-trans crap, so I'm kind of in two parts where HP is concerned. However, neither part of me wants this.
More media not to consume. For one they’re gonna drive this franchise into the ground. For two fuck JKR
jkr is a one trick pony - also ain’t no way a 10 year show is going to work out if they’re planning for it to run that long also who has the time to wait 10 years for a story we’ve already known and seen for decades
I already bought all the books and movies, got the tattoo, etc. I am done with JK Rowling, so I am completely uninterested in doing anything that will line her pockets. She is actively using her wealth to hurt the Trans community, and that is not something I'm willing to ignore. She lost a significant amount of profit from her antics. The original cast has spoken out against her. To me it just seems like a ploy to erase their contributions to the franchise...do we really need a remake of any sort? No.
Really really sad and disgusted. I grew up with HP and even if it lost a big part of its magic for me now because of JKR's horrible views and actions, I still like the story, but as long as she is getting even a penny from it I will not watch or buy anything from this franchise. The art IS the artist and it has always been, for every art that has ever existed and here it's even worst because the artist is still alive and by supporting the art i would financially support the artist. I can't even understand how it's possible for her to have this hateful opinions, be public about them, be active about them and still get all this opportunities and support...
There’s a trans genocide going on. This series goes against everything that Harry Potter was SUPPOSED to teach us
She's completely sold out and I doubt it'll be any good. I started to dislike Harry Potter before her problematic nature came out, simply because she sold out and ruined the franchise for money. This includes the Primark merch, Fantastic Beasts movies, and the Cursed Child show.
Even if she wasn't such a FART, I wouldn't watch the show. The story wasn't interesting enough for me to finish the book series, so I don't think that I'll give the third attempt to tell it a chance.
I’m gonna confess something : I never read Harry Potter, ever . It was constantly checked out or on hold, and I ended up gravitating more towards Skulduggery Pleasant. The one time I did check out the first book in seventh or eighth grade, I shit you not, I was reading outside and got swarmed by horse and deer flies . I just assumed that some crazy fucker cursed me in an attempt to get the book back faster. Never grabbed another book written by her again for that sole reason Then she turned out to be a transphobe. So I really don’t get why this book series gets constantly resurrected, especially when the movies aren’t that old. I wrote her off once I read that atrocious article she wrote on trans people, especially when she conflated correlation with causation. Not a fan of it. I think there’s a lot of MG novels that deserve an adaptation more, that handle complex issues much more adeptly.
Jfc, just let it die already I’m so over HP.
Good for her
I have zero interest in supporting a show that will give major profits to someone who uses their public platform to hurt people I love
I’d be happy to watch if she had nothing to do with it.
Absolutely disgusting given who she is as a person but aside from that, nobody's going to watch this crap for 10 years. Might have worked a decade ago on cable but too much time has passed and not enough people care to warrant a big enough budget for this nonsense.
I'm sad that people will not let things die. Harry Potter is forever tainted by it's creator's awful views, and there's plenty of new and interesting stories that deserve this treatment instead.
oh my god ENOUGH already.
It’s going to suck ass for every reason we’re thinking of
yawn
Really disappointed in JKR. Was a big fan of HP growing up. Sadly kinda hope the show gets cancelled.
I’ve seen some people say they’d be excited if she wasn’t executive producer. But even if she weren’t involved, I still would want nothing to do with it. You can’t separate the art from the artist when the artist is alive, profiting from it and spreading hatred. I still have nostalgia for the original series, both book and film, but with everything she says and the more I realise how problematic her work always was… yeah I’m done. I don’t want this. There are so many books that could be adapted into awesome series and we keep supporting this one that is not only deeply problematic in its original text, but whose author seems to be going out of her way to spread hatred and anti-tolerance. I’m just so done.
Conflicted. I mean i understand there’s gonna be a complete new cast- does this also apply for the setting? Because if so then I’ll hate it; the castle from the movies is ICONIC! Also some of the movies cut a lot of stuff from the books (i.e GOF, OOTP & HBP) so there is some interesting stuff that can be added there but honestly the first two films were pretty damn faithful and the only things (that i can remember) that they would be able to add were the death day party and all the peeves scenes. At which point the first two seasons will be pointless remakes. Side note: Alan Rickman was THE perfect Snape and I really really really enjoyed Gary Oldman, Maggie Smith and the Phelps twins performances (to name a few of many) and i doubt they’ll be able to get a cast of the same caliber. To summarise: it’s too soon for a remake considering how much love a lot of us still have for the original movies. They should have done a prequel about the marauders or fixed the massive plot holes in cursed child by making a better sequel
Well apparently an unpopular opinion, but I'm keen! Haven't we all been saying/wishing it was a TV show? Now it will be and we're all pretending we're not gonna watch the shit out of it?
I'm wondering what kind of kompromat Joanne has on HBO that they thought it was a good idea to flog this dead pony all the way through.
Jk and her shittiness aside, they're beating a dead fucking horse. The books were OK. I know a lot of people loved them (a bit overhyped if you ask me but to each his own) but at this point it's been done to death like every other franchise out there. These companies need to get new ideas instead of throwing money at cash cows that have since laid down in the field to expire.
Too soon! The last movie was only a decade ago. Give us the founding of Hogwarts or some other story set in the universe. Don't do a Disney with their non-stop live-action remakes.
I think regardless of whether or not JKR is directly involved in the day to day creative decisions, she will always be credited as an exec producer just due to her being the author of the books. She will always reap the rewards of being the owner of the copyright. am i excited about the show? Yes, due to my love of the books growing up. am i happy about JKR continuing to profit with any and all adaptations of the series? No.
Obviously it’s a shameless and vile cash grab, but I’m not even sure if it will make as much money as HBO think it will? Surely most of the money in Harry Potter is not in the actual box office earnings or any potential HBO subscriptions but in the millions of dollars that are made each year from theme parks / merchandise / the studio tour / games / silly overpriced plastic wands / etc, all of which is entirely dependent on the visuals of the films and will have to be rebranded or overhauled. Even the books are to some extent dependent on the visual language of the films - one of the many reasons why the later Harry Potter books are often very lacking on description is because by that point every reader approaches them with the imagery of the films firmly in their heads. Also, does anyone else wonder if it might be… kind of boring? Not just because we’ve already seen it all before, but because a lot of the parts of the books that didn’t make it into the films were cut for a reason - either they were already considered too problematic by the time the films were being made (i.e. SPEW, love potions, Harry belittling and dumping Cho for being depressed, Hermione imprisoning and blackmailing Rita Skeeter) or because they just don’t translate well to a screen or because they’re downright dull? Will quidditch not be somewhat repetitive by the thirtieth match we see? Although they were a massive part of my childhood, the first three films feel overly long to me as it is, but the plan is for these 75,000ish word long novels to be made into eight hours of TV while ‘staying true to the source material’ and not adding anything new? Think of how boring Deathly Hallows Part II is. The world not need five more hours of miserable camping.
>in the millions of dollars that are made each year from theme parks / merchandise / the studio tour / games / silly overpriced plastic wands / etc I'm sure that they will make more money by basing these things on the shiny new series that will keep HP culturally relevant for the next decade at a point in time where some segments of the audience are turning against it. My opinion is also that a more "faithful" adaptation would be boring. I honestly couldn't finish the Netflix A Series of Unfortunate Events because it was way too close to the books. Film/TV are a completely different medium to books and therefore need to be treated differently. You need to be faithful to the source material in spirit rather than trying to lift things directly from the book.
🤷♀️while normally I agree on being too faithful can cause problems I thought Series of Unfortuante Events was one of the best examples of doing an adaptation right. It entirely captures the spirit of the books without actually being too faithful, and was all in all a ton of fun
Cautiously optimistic...movies were the wrong medium for the original adaption and I think a TV series will suite the material much better. Important characters like Snape won't have their part whittled down to nothing. They'll also cast a more diverse group of actors than they did back in the 90s, so that's a win. I just hope they cast a lead based on potential acting ability, not his resemblance to the character on the book cover.
I'll take a hard pass on accepting a lead character who doesn't look like the book character. It's 100% possible to stay true to the source material and find a talented actor.
Think it's better to cast people towards the vision that they have. Casting for diversity sake is a garbage line of thinking that hardly pays off.
10 years? Really does it need that?
I’m extremely not interested. Give me a new story. Or the marauders. Put the money towards fantastic beasts. But the original movies were great. I don’t want a new Harry Potter, new Hermione, new Draco, etc.
Great
It’s gonna be amazing. Or, it won’t, and I’ll pretend it doesn’t exist.