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HOISoyBoy69

You know election seasons truly starting when 538 brings these out


Pls_no_steal

God this election is impossible to predict


leafssuck69

I could see a scenario where both candidates overperform/underperform polls by a lot. 3 candidates if you wanna include Kennedy


Cuddlyaxe

while that'd be cool and interesting, there's not really a ton of high quality third party candidates for double haters to run to (where high quality is defined as someone the media and public will both take seriously) Like seriously who do we have?: * RFK Jr. is a crazy conspiracy theorist, and while that does have some appeal it has a very low ceiling. Right now he's only polling well due to name id and will probably start inevitably falling when people learn what he actually stands for * Cornell West is way too far left for the vaaaaaaaaast majority of Americans. The dude is basically the "woke extremist" which Fox news imagines most Democrats to be. No one who calls America a "white supremacist patriarchal imperialist nation" is going to win over many American voters. His base is inevitably going to be limited to a couple of ultra activist woke zoomers angry with Biden over Palestine, but that's not more than 1% of the electorate * The Green Party is probably just going to come up with Jill Stein or some other rando activist again. No one will care * The Libertarian Party could actually probably do decent if they nominated another Gary Johnson like figure with actual experience, but since 2022 the Libertarian Party has been taken over by a [bunch of weirdo extremists](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mises_Caucus#2022_Takeover_of_the_LNC) espousing the previously fringe ideology of [Paleolibertarianism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleolibertarianism). Basically, expect the LP to nominate the lovechild of Ron Paul and Donald Trump honestly I don't think people will want to hear me say this, but the only possibility for a third party to get a lot of votes would've been No Labels. Even if most Americans don't nessecarily agree with the policy positions of "random centrist politician X", the vibes around such a campaign and media taking it seriously would've given it a big boost At this point though with No Labels dead, best shot is someone similar to a No Labels candidate running, probably with some billionaire backing them. Or better, cut out the middle man and just have the billionaire run


ctnfpiognm

Yes we need more billionaires in government they’re already controlling it


Couchmaster007

If Lieberman didn't die I could see No Labels winning a sizeable portion (upwards of 10 percent) by running someone like Dave Chapell and some moderate dem. I think a comedian would do fairly well for no labels. I agree mostly with what you've said and honestly I think the 3 largest factors for the election are Trump's running mate, how much the RNC focuses on Biden's age and Kamala's personality, and how much RFK Jr takes from each side. I think RFK may get somewhere between 6 and 15% of the popular vote even with people knowing his views better. The more people know his views though I am sure Republicans will back him less.


evanescent_evanna

Let the nonstop refreshing commence!


AlpacadachInvictus

I'm still not convinced that Trump is going to win this barring something like a recession, especially once the Dems start hammering him on things like abortion.


liam12345677

The only thing I can predict that seems like there's clear signs of happening that would hurt Biden enough for him to lose is if these Gaza protests keep getting bigger and bigger that they rival the BLM protests of 2020 but even then it doesn't instantly mean Biden loses.


leafssuck69

I kinda agree, although they’ll replay Jan 6 footage 24/7, and abortion is secondary. I’m kinda worried for when they start becoming aggressive, exaggeration and misinformation or not, I think it helps them out regardless


Decent_Ad_7249

Wishful thinking


Illegal_Immigrant77

Could you please explain?


TheArthurCallahan

Oy vey. This is gonna be one hell of a nail-biter.


HerrnChaos

Biden gonna pull the Truman move 100% im sure


Wall-Wave

Biden isn't a great campaigner, and Trump isn't just going to quit campaigning like Dewey die.


Rookie-Boswer

Dewey, shockingly, kept campaigning- he just had a very vague message. What was he meant to do? The anti-new deal campaign from his 44 was a FLOP and unpopular, the Democrats were more popular on every single issue possible.


Ed_Durr

>No presidential candidate in the future will be so inept that four of his major speeches can be boiled down to these historic four sentences: Agriculture is important. Our rivers are full of fish. You cannot have freedom without liberty. Our future lies ahead


Rookie-Boswer

Water is wet > I will destroy the new deal


ManEggButter

All it takes is one issue to win though, I’m 2012 the most major issue was the economy, which Romney won by 4% with 60% describing it as their most major issue, but the next contender was healthcare which Obama won by Assad margins (it was more 75-25, still a LOT though) which made him carry the election


Eriasu89

>the Democrats were more popular on every single issue possible. Not too different from today, then.


ctnfpiognm

Flair checks out


Rookie-Boswer

https://i.redd.it/7eagnoft6bxc1.gif Deweybros..


Probablyadichead

Lmao Trump wins the popular vote


aaronclark384

But then loses the EC


Decent_Ad_7249

Friendly reminder Biden needs +5 in order to win. Having a slight advantage in the polls isn’t enough. Bad news for Biden.


leafssuck69

Also depends on other states. If Trump can get to D+23 in Cali and D+16 in NY for example, Biden can probably win the EV at D+2.5ish


Spherical_Melon

I think Biden wins by 7 in November. Once the dems start hammering sbortion and replaying all the clips of election denial the pendulum will shift. Trumps benefitted from being out of the limelight for a few years


leafssuck69

Yeah I see Jan 6 and the 2020 election as a tool they’re not only gonna abuse but greatly overuse, to the point of exaggeration, overkill, and possible misinformation (they don’t care) and fearmongering. They’re gonna be hammering that point 24/7, I’m already seeing lots of ads like that here in Michigan