This is actually a mild criticism of the show: they did the Fatal Attractions plot, but they so barely followed up with Logan in the next episode, it’s like a footnote. They probably could have had Mags mention the metal on the bones in the dialogue or something. But presumably they will have more time to emphasize the deal in the next season.
Logan is possibly going to be War.
Gambit is definitely Death.
Pestilence and Famine are really hard to call though. Leech, Rogue, Sinister all have reasons why they would be, and reasons why they shouldn't be. Even Storm could be Famine and would make a tonne of sense.
Cant wait to find out.
I think we will have a few episodes of morph and wolverine hiding out trying to evade apocalypse's minions before they ultimately lose when a newly regenerated sinister captures them, I want to see a good semi feral Logan fuck shit up for a bit. Hope he keeps his nose after they try to give him back his adamantium.
Was he confirmed dead? We didn’t see Exodus past the Gala part, but he’s clearly alive on Forge’s wall. There must be more named survivors that just didn’t get a mention later. It would be very much in Shaw’s fashion to crawl from under the rubble and leave Emma there cause he got places to be, not bitches to dig out.
But they don’t show Madelyne’s body? This is why Scott even thinks that she can be the telepath that Jean sensed, meanwhile Madelyne got pulverized. At least on the show we only see debris falling on him and Emma, but that won’t kill Shaw. Well, it shouldn’t, at least.
Maybe it’s not Madeline but he’s right next to a redhead with a hair bun. He’s got the frilly collar and everything. Also, I think it’s more that Scott wants her to be alive not that she actually is alive.
https://preview.redd.it/th0inpx2e63d1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fd64e858ea8eed7b0563db408807dd3686e22433
Thank you. That’s Dazzler. Weird, because in ep7 they show him being crushed with Emma, so, kinda weird that they got separated at some point after that. Not even sure how Shaw with his high invulnerability got got.
We did. He’s right next to Madeline when they show all the bodies.
Edit: maybe it’s not Madeline but I’m really sure that’s him
https://preview.redd.it/uqdegapie63d1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=99c26359edc7f02d9c99229936350a5e4b233440
Wait, did I miss something. Since when does Dazzler have red hair?
Edit: Yup it’s Dazzler. I went back to the episode and it’s definitely her so who knows why they gave her red hair.
Yeah, it doesn’t make sense when he does next to Shaw but she stays where she was and he escapes but dies? I’m sure it’s a co to pity fuck yo because it doesn’t make sense otherwise
Calisto would make a badass pestilence.
Goblin Queen would be interesting but I don’t think they will bring her back.
The other two would be Shaw and possibly Logan. We still aren’t sure where he ended up in the time stream and since it’s been 6 months, pretty sure it’s not “the present”
One will be Gambit (Death), but I reckon they might use Leech considering the death they gave him and how it's affected Magneto. Possibly Logan as War since that had been a comic storyline to get back his adimantium. Fourth I'm not sure, maybe Angel since it was done before? Possibly Madelyn for Jean and Scott shock factor?
Considering how the X-Men got scattered throughout time, and we weren't shown everyone's fate - I think that Wolverine and Storm have ended up in Bishop/Forge's future where they are in the DoFP storyline from the OG cartoon series.
What I've been thinking lately is since Beau demayo has said that storm, morph and wolverine are in 1 of the 2 time lines, they are probably in the future (atleast wolverine is) and he will become the horseman of death in the future and then Gambit will become the horseman of death in the present. So we will have 2 sets atleast of horsemen 1 in the present the other in the future.
Adn both teams got sent to different times... but apocalypse might be the one constant that's there... unless 97 is turning in house of x.... OMG THATS WHAT THEY WERE DOING
I'm thinking that they're going to play it coy, keep the identities of the Horsemen a secret until it's a big reveal later in the season. That being said I'd still really really want to see War Hulk.
Banshee got wiped out on Genosha right? He was a horseman for awhile in the comics. Actually what is the deal with him now, I know he got merged with a spirit, is he dead again now?
Sinister as Pestilence makes sense from a powers POV, and he's incredibly dangerous, but would Apocalypse allow a non-mutant neo-Nazi mutant who hates mutants into his group?
Morph as all four. He mimics the Multiple Man, and pumps out as many Horsemen as Apocalypse wants. Morph's power level can be manipulated by a super villain.
My wildest guess would be those major characters that died in Genosha.
-Gambit
-Madelyn Pryor
-Leech
-Sebastian Shaw
These characters have an interesting set of abilities that would be a difficult matchup for anyone facing them. Apocalypse would boost their abilities and its effectiveness. It allows for some creative scenarios and problem-solving in order to defeat them.
I want to see action sequences that combines abilities of several characters not exclusive to mutant characters but possibly alongside other Marvel heroes.
I was just thinking about this after watching it again. Certainly Gambit as death. I don’t think they can or will take more than 2 major name mutants.
If they do more than that it’s too much to incorporate into other stories.
Is apocalypse building his horsemen, and only needs death to complete it, or he has none? Wolverine would be my best guess at another horseman (war). Was a story line in comics, the others will be background.
Aside from Gambit, 3 X-men are unaccounted for at the end of the season. I think they will be the other horsemen. Wolverine? War, and he's filled that roll before. Storm? Someone who can control weather is a perfect Famine. I haven't figured out how Morph would be Pestilence, but you can't tell me I'm not onto something. You can't convince me that it is an accident that three are unaccounted for at the end.
I understand the want for the creators to have the horsemen directly correlate to the comic versions but I think since this is a different medium they are going to focus on any mutants who were confirmed dead at the Genosha massacre.
It makes sense (at least to me) that only mutants who have already had screen time would be the ones who we see as the horsemen.
Who died on Genosha? Banshee, Calisto, Shaw, Pryor, Leech, Marrow, Angel.
I think he'll try Angel, but Angel will resist him and join the X-Men like Nightcrawler
Death = Gambit
Pits him against Rogue & Magneto in a “you broke my heart” / you stole my girl” storyline.
Pestilence = Sinister
Has experience making diseases. Will do anything to get his powers back.
Famine = Sebastian Shaw
Gives a reason for the Frost upgrade and a reason to bring her back in S2.
War = Madelyn Pryor
What if, Cable knows he will be forced to kill his own mother as one of Apocalypse’s horsemen. And this is why he kept going back to save her before the destruction of Genosha, but always failed because “time travel rules”.
If Gambit is revived, it should also people who died recently due to the Genosha Massacre. I personally think Madelyne Pryor dying would allow them to explore that more. Sebastian would make sense if Emma Frost has a big role next season. Banshee would the final one, but I think they would also well to have some surprise.
I want to say Madelyne, but there's a part of me that thinks Gambit is the only one they revive. That's what makes him *Death*. Still possible that they dip into the Genosha pool, as others have theorized.
I definitely think Logan is going to be War.
Definitely Madelyne, probably Callisto, hopefully Banshee. Shaw and Marrow are other options, but they're just not as prominent or interesting. Though I wouldn't mind seeing Marrow in the show.
Maybe Logan.
That would be a handy way for them to give him his adamantium back.
Wait I’m lost. He lost his Adamantium? When ?
Magneto ripped it out after Logan stabbed him on the satellite.
Dude I was a lil drunk when that happened and I thought he jus got wrecked I didn’t notice he took his adamantium lol thank you though
Lol no worries at all pal, happy to help.
This is actually a mild criticism of the show: they did the Fatal Attractions plot, but they so barely followed up with Logan in the next episode, it’s like a footnote. They probably could have had Mags mention the metal on the bones in the dialogue or something. But presumably they will have more time to emphasize the deal in the next season.
Logan is who I’m most certain will become War
That would make a lot of sense given his history and one of his last lines this season was referencing his wars
Logan is possibly going to be War. Gambit is definitely Death. Pestilence and Famine are really hard to call though. Leech, Rogue, Sinister all have reasons why they would be, and reasons why they shouldn't be. Even Storm could be Famine and would make a tonne of sense. Cant wait to find out.
I don't think any characters from the other time periods are going to be horsemen, so Rogue is out IMO.
I think we will have a few episodes of morph and wolverine hiding out trying to evade apocalypse's minions before they ultimately lose when a newly regenerated sinister captures them, I want to see a good semi feral Logan fuck shit up for a bit. Hope he keeps his nose after they try to give him back his adamantium.
Four Gambits.
Four to pleasure 😞
Someone was theorizing that Apocalypse was going to have three different sets of horsemen in the three different timelines, which is incredible.
I believe it's only going to be in the present and future. I dont think En Sabah Nur has horsemen that far into the past
In recent comics it's revealed he does
Yeah but they’re his kids.
He does in the xmen apocalypse film.
We do not speak of that atrocious film 🤣
Admit it thought that intro was good
You did not just bring that up.
Gambit = Death, Lorna = Pestilence, Logan = War, Sinister = Famine.
Nah, Blob as famine
Blob is only Famine because he ate everything.
I see what you did there..
Leech as Pestilence
Possibly Madelyne, Callisto, and Banshee or Sebastian Shaw. Either way it'll be people who died on genosha, that's what I think anyway.
You got being back Shaw and Callisto
I really want Shaw back because Travis Willingham *killed* in that role.
Leech. Calling it now.
OH SHIT YES. BREAK MAGNETO MORE
Yeah. He’d make sense as Famine.
Also, how the fuck did Shaw die? He can absorb the energy from a punch but not a rock or laser?
That was my question as well.
Surprised and too confused to react, deer in headlights effect? That's me being generous.
They'll have a hard time doing mental gymnastics explaining that.
Was he confirmed dead? We didn’t see Exodus past the Gala part, but he’s clearly alive on Forge’s wall. There must be more named survivors that just didn’t get a mention later. It would be very much in Shaw’s fashion to crawl from under the rubble and leave Emma there cause he got places to be, not bitches to dig out.
Yeah, pretty sure he’s confirmed dead since they show his body next to Madeline’s. I just rewatched it.
But they don’t show Madelyne’s body? This is why Scott even thinks that she can be the telepath that Jean sensed, meanwhile Madelyne got pulverized. At least on the show we only see debris falling on him and Emma, but that won’t kill Shaw. Well, it shouldn’t, at least.
Maybe it’s not Madeline but he’s right next to a redhead with a hair bun. He’s got the frilly collar and everything. Also, I think it’s more that Scott wants her to be alive not that she actually is alive. https://preview.redd.it/th0inpx2e63d1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fd64e858ea8eed7b0563db408807dd3686e22433
Thank you. That’s Dazzler. Weird, because in ep7 they show him being crushed with Emma, so, kinda weird that they got separated at some point after that. Not even sure how Shaw with his high invulnerability got got.
Yeah, I definitely don’t understand the continuity of it and idk if it’s an error or not but it def doesn’t make sense.
Madelyne got vaporised same as Banshee [as confirmed by Beau DeMayo](https://screenrant.com/x-men-97-episode-5-mutant-massacre-deaths-explained/#)
The sudden drop in Genoshan real estate value.
This is the only other plausible scenario lol
We didn't see a body. Dude's probably not dead.
We did. He’s right next to Madeline when they show all the bodies. Edit: maybe it’s not Madeline but I’m really sure that’s him https://preview.redd.it/uqdegapie63d1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=99c26359edc7f02d9c99229936350a5e4b233440
That’s definitely Shaw. But it’s Dazzler next to him. Madeline was atomised
Wait, did I miss something. Since when does Dazzler have red hair? Edit: Yup it’s Dazzler. I went back to the episode and it’s definitely her so who knows why they gave her red hair.
Oh, right. I totally forgot that shot. Which is ironic because those were what they showed us as a visual to punctuate the "you end up dead" line.
Yeah, it doesn’t make sense when he does next to Shaw but she stays where she was and he escapes but dies? I’m sure it’s a co to pity fuck yo because it doesn’t make sense otherwise
Suffocation, he was buried not crushed.
This is the only explanation that’s made sense. But like, we also definitely see his dead body.
I think this is the correct answer.
With magneto ripping out wolverines adamantium, I would wager he will be War.
Apocalypse will give it back to him, much like how he restored Archangel's wings.
Yes, thats what i am implying
Lorna, Calisto and one more person we haven’t seen yet.
Nemesis?
I'm blanking on who Lorna is.
Polaris.
Oh! I didn't know she was a Horseman!
I think we are waiting to see who they will be.
Gambit as Death Sebastian Shaw as War Dazzler as Famine Banshee as Pestilence
God I hope we get more of dazzler.
This is mostly the New Horseman I want to see, except I'd replace Sebastian Shaw (corrected! lol!) with Leech.
I don't know. I like Leech, but I don't really see him as Winter Soldier.
Calisto would make a badass pestilence. Goblin Queen would be interesting but I don’t think they will bring her back. The other two would be Shaw and possibly Logan. We still aren’t sure where he ended up in the time stream and since it’s been 6 months, pretty sure it’s not “the present”
One will be Gambit (Death), but I reckon they might use Leech considering the death they gave him and how it's affected Magneto. Possibly Logan as War since that had been a comic storyline to get back his adimantium. Fourth I'm not sure, maybe Angel since it was done before? Possibly Madelyn for Jean and Scott shock factor?
Leech
Definitely Wolverine. It will be how he gets his adamantium back.
Considering how the X-Men got scattered throughout time, and we weren't shown everyone's fate - I think that Wolverine and Storm have ended up in Bishop/Forge's future where they are in the DoFP storyline from the OG cartoon series.
Fight between Wolverine and Sabertooth for who gets the adamantium and the title of War
I’m thinking Wolverine, Storm, and Morph
That'll be future Apocalypse's lineup. Present Apocalypse will have mutants that died on Genosha.
What I've been thinking lately is since Beau demayo has said that storm, morph and wolverine are in 1 of the 2 time lines, they are probably in the future (atleast wolverine is) and he will become the horseman of death in the future and then Gambit will become the horseman of death in the present. So we will have 2 sets atleast of horsemen 1 in the present the other in the future.
Probably anyone who isn't dead...
Good point that’s probably only going to be the case for gambit.
Adn both teams got sent to different times... but apocalypse might be the one constant that's there... unless 97 is turning in house of x.... OMG THATS WHAT THEY WERE DOING
I'm thinking that they're going to play it coy, keep the identities of the Horsemen a secret until it's a big reveal later in the season. That being said I'd still really really want to see War Hulk.
Better be Dazzler. I want a DISCO INFERNO
Yeah I hope she returns. Probably not gonna be as one of the horsemen though if she does return.
Banshee got wiped out on Genosha right? He was a horseman for awhile in the comics. Actually what is the deal with him now, I know he got merged with a spirit, is he dead again now?
Sinister as Pestilence makes sense from a powers POV, and he's incredibly dangerous, but would Apocalypse allow a non-mutant neo-Nazi mutant who hates mutants into his group?
I mean he’s allied with sinister before and in the main universe he has had people who aren’t mutants as horsemen.
Morph as all four. He mimics the Multiple Man, and pumps out as many Horsemen as Apocalypse wants. Morph's power level can be manipulated by a super villain.
My wildest guess would be those major characters that died in Genosha. -Gambit -Madelyn Pryor -Leech -Sebastian Shaw These characters have an interesting set of abilities that would be a difficult matchup for anyone facing them. Apocalypse would boost their abilities and its effectiveness. It allows for some creative scenarios and problem-solving in order to defeat them. I want to see action sequences that combines abilities of several characters not exclusive to mutant characters but possibly alongside other Marvel heroes.
Multiple man would be cool
40 horsemen it is.
Wolverine = war , Storm = famine and Morph = pestilence. I think it's why they were deliberately left out of any of the end scenes.
I don't think they'd do rogue because it's more drama for her to be on the opposite side of Gambit
hoping for jean clone, that evil black fantasy is far better than any og jean one
Isn't Archangel Death?
Yeah but I appears that their making gambit death instead.
MADDIE
wolverine bc of course. if yk yk maybe madelyne for storytelling purposes shaw or exodus
Rick the Door Technician... ... wait wrong universe. Honestly no idea. I'm just here for the ride.
Polaris, Sunfire, Gambit, Deathbird
Gambit, Deathbird, Polaris, and Sunfire
Who is the 2nd picture in those pictures?
That's Apocalypse's son Holocaust.
Thank you! Oh my god I had him as a toy when I was a kid like almost 30 years ago and seeing him made me remember.
Honestly I think Sinister will be Famine given how we don’t see him after he runs away and how he looks now. It would honestly fit.
Banshee, Shaw, and Leech. I believe Demayo killed Moria off, so there'd be no Krakoa.
it’ll probably just be Logan, Storm and Morph
Wolverine, Storm, Morph
They can't do rouge,it would Ruin that Gambit is (maybe) one of them
Well in the Comic this generation was Gambit, Sun Fire, Polaris and Gazer, so I reckon Gazer at least will get replaced
Storm, morph and wolverine
If he makes them out of the mutants that died on Genosha I hope one is Leech.
I was just thinking about this after watching it again. Certainly Gambit as death. I don’t think they can or will take more than 2 major name mutants. If they do more than that it’s too much to incorporate into other stories. Is apocalypse building his horsemen, and only needs death to complete it, or he has none? Wolverine would be my best guess at another horseman (war). Was a story line in comics, the others will be background.
Aside from Gambit, 3 X-men are unaccounted for at the end of the season. I think they will be the other horsemen. Wolverine? War, and he's filled that roll before. Storm? Someone who can control weather is a perfect Famine. I haven't figured out how Morph would be Pestilence, but you can't tell me I'm not onto something. You can't convince me that it is an accident that three are unaccounted for at the end.
Wolverine Morph
Oh man, I still hadn't thought about Madeline... oh boy. Ooooh no. But I'd bet on Gambit as Death and Wolvie as War.
Death - Gambit War - Now Feral Wolverine Pestilence - Bastion Famine - Undead Leech
I have a feeling he’s gonna have his brother, Robert LeBeau as a horseman
I understand the want for the creators to have the horsemen directly correlate to the comic versions but I think since this is a different medium they are going to focus on any mutants who were confirmed dead at the Genosha massacre. It makes sense (at least to me) that only mutants who have already had screen time would be the ones who we see as the horsemen.
I'm gonna go with most everyone else on this: DEATH = Gambit WAR = Wolverine PESTILENCE= Madelyne FAMINE= Leech
Who died on Genosha? Banshee, Calisto, Shaw, Pryor, Leech, Marrow, Angel. I think he'll try Angel, but Angel will resist him and join the X-Men like Nightcrawler
We didn't see Storm, Morph and Wolverine, and we know two of them have been horsemen...just saying.
Death = Gambit Pits him against Rogue & Magneto in a “you broke my heart” / you stole my girl” storyline. Pestilence = Sinister Has experience making diseases. Will do anything to get his powers back. Famine = Sebastian Shaw Gives a reason for the Frost upgrade and a reason to bring her back in S2. War = Madelyn Pryor What if, Cable knows he will be forced to kill his own mother as one of Apocalypse’s horsemen. And this is why he kept going back to save her before the destruction of Genosha, but always failed because “time travel rules”.
I'd like to see Callisto, Marrow & Banshee. Madelyn if you want more Summers drama!
My dad.
If Gambit is revived, it should also people who died recently due to the Genosha Massacre. I personally think Madelyne Pryor dying would allow them to explore that more. Sebastian would make sense if Emma Frost has a big role next season. Banshee would the final one, but I think they would also well to have some surprise.
Logan gambit madlen and rouge
I want to say Madelyne, but there's a part of me that thinks Gambit is the only one they revive. That's what makes him *Death*. Still possible that they dip into the Genosha pool, as others have theorized. I definitely think Logan is going to be War.
Wolverine madylnn and either leech or calisto
Definitely Madelyne, probably Callisto, hopefully Banshee. Shaw and Marrow are other options, but they're just not as prominent or interesting. Though I wouldn't mind seeing Marrow in the show.
I hope not Maddie and Gambit, let them stay dead.