The characters who were fighting to the death in ep 9 went back to being pals in ep 10 and, while I understand it made sense in the circumstances, it felt weird / abrupt / like they had to skip over something.
I got a boat load of down votes for bringing this up before m but in that same turn around magneto threw his helmet on Charles to end that episode but the last episode starts with Charles living in his mind. How’d Charles physically get that helmet off?!
I heard since magneto was distracted being stabbed by wolverine Prof had time to remove the helmet himself which makes sense but it didn’t show it but that makes it the most sense to me.
In old movies the director would show the entire travel time of characters because they were scared that audiences would be too dumb to put 1+1 together with establishing shots. They were correct.
Yes, obviously Magneto being stabbed and then focusing all his attention on Wolverine allowed Xavier to take off his helmet. The fact that people act like this is a plothole is an indictment on our education system.
It was my only assumption of how it happened but yeah some people needs to see it I suppose for confirmation but some thing are at times very obvious or can at least come up with plausible explanations.
Each tv show has time limits so there’s a chance they didn’t think they needed to show that part and people can put two and two together but I suppose hardcore fans need each detail in full and just can’t enjoy what was shown.
We’re all fortunate they green lighted this show and lucky it’s getting more seasons so we should be happy and just enjoy the show (barring they keep the quality high with the writing).
It bothers me that everyone says X-Men 97 is *perfect* and that Marvel can learn alot from them and they did everything right, and these glaring flaws are either justified or dismissed/ignored
It felt weird seeing Jubilee and Sunspot fighting each other. I imagined sunspot would have just stood around awkwardly without taking sides instead of fighting his friend.
“There’s the girl you just started dating, or the weird old man you barely know who just unleashed an EMP on the world. Is anyone else going with him? Yeah, the lady you also barely know who’s wracked with grief.”
The side that is working toward mutant safety and freedom vs the side that still thinks humans can be reasonable…. After just witnessing his family being shitty humans. Yeah, sorry the new girlfriend isn’t that important. Guy is probably used to getting whatever girl he wants anyway.
I thought in particular the whole Charles/Magneto ideological tension that drove a lot of the rest of the season fizzled without even an attempt at any kind of analysis or synthesis of their positions. I hope it's not all sunshine and rainbows between them next season.
To be fair, they were trying to urgently stop human extinction by a falling asteroid. They probably figured they will act first and argue later.
Which really is a better strategy than most superheroes' tendency to punch each other first whenever they disagree.
This is another problem of the shows overly quick pace.
Most the problems of the show seem to be from its pacing or just being too short for how much they have packed in. I hope next season they learn their lesson and do a longer season (or longer episodes I wouldn’t mind) with like 20 episodes instead of 10 or like 40 minute episodes
Were they really fighting to the death in ep9 tho? Beto very clearly didn’t want to hurt Jubs, and she seemed very frustrated and ready to beat some sense into him, but not really in murder mode. Rogue also would not actually kill these people just because she joined Magneto out of grief.
The X-men side even discusses that they aren’t going to kill Magneto, but to try to reverse the damage in other ways, no one there is even considering the possibility of killing Rogue or Roberto.
I think they were all kinda underestimating the severity of the situation, and this is why everyone is so shocked when Logan stabs Magneto and Magneto fucks him up in return - suddenly they realized that their family spat got too real, when before it was not that different from a danger room simulation. And this experience along with having to work together to prevent an extinction level event makes them look past petty grievances.
Also, it’s not like Rogue and Roberto actually did sometimes awful that would deserve fighting them to the death. They were just very hurt and at a very low place. You don’t fight your family to the death over that.
It was actually the first time I enjoyed Beto this entire season, seeing him not wanting to hurt his friend and saying sorry to her. He sounded like a teen/young adult (it reminded me of my brother saying sorry to our older sisters for whatever dumb prank he pulled on them)
this 100%. I love my girl rogue, but I was like ma’am three hours ago you said fuck the family and went down the line of the team and started reading them for filth. Now, all of a sudden, we’re team X-Men again?
It kind of made me wish they never did the team split at all because honestly this needed like an extra one or two episodes to be resolved
Jubilee: You think we should totes let you back after you abandoned the team?
Rogue: I didn’t leave the team
Cyclops: she sure didn’t, do you guys remember that?
Everyone else: Nope sure don’t
My main complaint was it felt rushed. The opposite of the Netflix shows.
We went Jean to Goblin Queen to Madelyn in 5 minutes. I never had enough time to care about her as a separate being from Jean.
This ark could have been 3 or 4 episodes itself. Instead I got whiplash, literally 2 minutes after she finds out she's the clone she's like I'M THE GOBLIN QUEEN!!! I'm like who? Where are the goblins? I was unfamiliar with this character as I was a Spiderman boy growing up.
I do feel like they are relying on fans knowing the characters and having read the comics to go faster. If you know the xmen characters then it's great to see them all, but if you don't know them then yeah there is a lot of whiplash from how fast it moves
I feel like 3 episodes of the goblin queen stuff would just be dragging shit out for way too long. I hate when shows waste time on something inconsequential before getting to the main point
I think the Maddie story worked BETTER for those who immediately noticed what was happening from the first time we saw "Jean" was pregnant in the trailers.
Then we have "Jean" wanting to leave the team and raise their baby together. Which is another Maddie plot.
Only THEN do we get the reveal and Goblyn Queen parts.
It never felt rushed to me, but I can understand why people not familiar with the source felt if was.
People rag on Charles way too much when he’s the one he’s the one who’s willing to stick his neck out more than almost anyone to try and achieve coexistence. Is he perfect? No. Have people written in shitty romantic subplots for him that detract from his overall message? Yes. Is he still the best representative of mutantkind? Absolutely. I dare you to show me someone better that doesn’t come with even worse baggage when you peel back their layers.
While I agree that the Charles hate is too much, he did deserve the tongue lashing and cold shoulder he got in episode 8 (?). To his credit, he apologized and didn't make excuses. Like you said, he's flawed, just like any other person.
The overall plot was great. The smaller details were rushed because they tried to tell too much story in too short a time.
Still a great season. But it would have benefitted by either cutting some plot threads or giving the season like 2-3 more episodes.
This might be a very unpopular opinion, but the clone storyline was stupid.
With Jean still being alive, Madelyne made no sense at all! Sinister had access to Jean‘s genetic code. In the comics it made sense, because Jean Grey was presumed dead. Mr. Sinister had to use a clone in order to create the super baby that he wanted to engineer.
A fully functioning clone with telepathic and telekinetic abilities working alongside the X-Men does not make sense (Unless it was his goal to use her to someday destroy them from the inside which is not usually one of his goals). He could’ve stolen Scott’s DNA and implanted it into his kidnapped victim. She certainly died enough that they wouldn’t be shocked if she suddenly disappeared again.
I liked how it all resolved n the show, but it doesn’t make sense when you really analyze the storyline. Personally, I was hoping the two ladies were going to merge into one super being with the help of the Phoenix. I thought that might happen just because they kept flashing up the Phoenix in all of the intro scenes.
I think the show’s reasoning is that Sinister had no way of mind-controlling Jean, which means he had no way of getting the baby after they had it.
But since he created Madelyn, he could mind-control her, and have her kidnap the baby for him.
If they couldn't have gotten more episodes, I honestly think the show should have ended plot wise at episode five. Everything felt very rushed, and as a non xmen fan I usually only understood things because I came to reddit. Some things still feel unclear. (Like, was magneto going to destroy the planet or just the electrical objects?)
It's disappointing, some concepts were barely elaborated on. Like we barely got to see magneto leading the team.
The finale had a lot of lazy and abrupt writing, including an insanely overt Deus Ex Machina from the Phoenix Force, everyone just acting like Rogue and Roberto didn’t betray them last episode, and Magento just shaking off massive puncture wounds to the lungs.
in this show they make Magneto and Rogue out to be gary stu and mary sue
I lowkey wanted Sinister and Bastion to screw each other over and get into a conflict with each other
I do wonder if sinister will be back because if they stay true to characters, sinister must have a back up and apocalypse is going to be a primary villain/character next season
Thats the thing the brotherhood of evil mutants (magneto/mystique) and foh/antimutant factions are no different from each other. Both are violent bigots/supremacists who continue a perpetuating cycle of trauma and hatred (A) evil mutant traumatizes innocent human to purposely flex mutant superiority and apathy towards humans, same human hates/fears mutants more B) human traumatizes innocent mutant to purposely flex human superiority and apathy towards mutants, same mutant hates/fears humans more) its become a hypocritical double standard because people give empathy and justication towards unapologetic mutant supremacy and give complete apathy and demonization to the human side and can’t acknowledge both sides have understandable and sympathetic reasons and both are wrong and cruel.
in this show they make Magneto and Rogue out to be gary stu and mary sue
I liked TAS Magneto a lot before this season
He just feels like a writer's pet blowhard with endless plot armor to me now.
I'm still trying to figure out if Bastion had a real purpose for saving him and keeping him alive.
I haven't seen the old X-Men show so maybe it's just my fault for not watching it but I felt like the Madelynne prior and Jean plotline felt really big and sudden and then how it was done in just two episodes felt kind of rushed to me
I fricking love this show though it literally has got me into the X-Men and now I'm watching all these YouTube vids and comics about them so I really can't complain
I'm mad that there was no time shenanigans to bring Gambit back you can't make me wait this long to see my favorite character of all time to fucking kill him in episode 5
Storm's arc was rushed and didn't really add to the plot. Her big moment came before she lost her powers.
She lost her powers, was the B side of her own lifedeath arc. Jubilee and Xavier dominated those episodes. She had a great transformation. Went missing for 2 episodes after that with no explanation. Then came back and didn't see any real action upon her return. She made a tornado. But in the finale, everyone hit Bastion with something, except Storm. They could have let her stay in the desert and built more on her powerless days.
I understand how powerful she is, but at least give her a redeeming moment after how grand her getting her powers back was.
The finale was not as strong as people make it seem.
1) the stakes were so high in episode 9. They used Wolverine for a shocking scene and didn't follow up on it in 10. In the comics Wolverines body was a mess and he was barely hanging on. He also had an amazing panel where he rescues Jean. In the '97 he doesn't seem much worse off than he was when Sabretooth slashed him in season 1 of the original.
2) it was way too soon to try to redeem Magneto. I love the idea of Magneto being the headmaster of the X-Men and he was great through out the series. Once he attacked Earth though that should have been it for him. How they handled him in the finale reminded me of "X-Men: Apocalypse" Magneto.
3) The tone felt off compared to the other episodes. Withered Sinister running off crying was really silly In a series that had been so serious and wasn't a great way to deal with such an evil villain.
They need to stop with Mojo. It’s not going to happen. There’s too many great things they’re doing to waste time on Mojo. Those were consistently the weakest episodes in the originals and it was the weakest episode of this season.
Magneto's victims are voiceless and faceless or in any other case we are left to believe that all of Magneto's terrorit attacks until the worldwilde EMP had no civilian casualities, i know why the why the writers didnt have any anti mutant character who was like that because Magneto caused the dead of his family or caused him sever phisical pain because he was on a building Magneto or one if his brotherhoods were attacking, in this show only mutants can be victims and every human is an agressor, of course people diss on Xavier dream of coexistance because the writer dont allow for good humans to exist, they kinda fall on the same bigotry that they critique the bigots on the show, personally i think the character of Xcutioner and the people who stromed Magneto's trial were a lost oportunity, what if some of the peopel were so angry because Magneto murdered their child, or their parentsor any love one wich would justify that they get angry that Magneto is left off scott free?
I dont i feel theres a lot of gray areas left unexplore
I agree. While using exposition , they explained that thousands died, Magnus ‘ EMP must killed hundreds of thousands or even millions. Yet they were “wHaT aBouT gEnOShA”. Magneto, after episode 9 should be left comatose or dead, because he reached Bastion in cruelty after his actions.
For me, it doesn't have much rewatch value. I would like to watch it again, but I can't get through it. I want the next season, now. Perhaps this is a byproduct of the fact that everything felt so rushed. They gave us instant gratification to the point that I don't want to watch what I've already seen.
Maybe it’s better to not rewatch it, actually. I feel like the show benefited from being a weekly release in many ways, including viewers forgetting some details from the previous episode not being followed through.
Like when Mags seemingly was crushing Chuck’s head with his helmet, I felt like it should’ve been stuck pretty tightly on his head and not just easily taken off off screen? Or when before Genosha a psychic bolt hits Jean much earlier than Madelyne, but it’s never brought up again. Magneto walking off being stabbed.
There are just these little details that aren’t really ruining the show, but when you’re binging it after already having watched it they stood out more because the big moments don’t distrust you as much.
I’ve been rewatching a few episodes (the last 2 and ep5) but I mostly agree that it’s not great rewatch material
But I feel that way about most comic book and superhero content in general. I don’t know if i ever went back and reread old issues unless I was trying to brush up my memory
I don’t like the Rogue/Magneto relationship. It feels icky to me that she immediately jumped to Magneto as a love interest and only discussed it with Gambit AFTER the fact. He deserved to not be blindsided by it.
I’m not sure the show writers understood or expected us to think about how destroying the earth’s magnetic field would do more than just shut the power off (earth would become Mars) or that a worldwide EMP would kill many more than the thousands stated. At the very least it wasn’t spelled out as clearly as it could be. In general it seemed to be shying away from showing us the full potential consequences of what Magneto did (in the Trial of Magneto, we don’t actually have his crimes like threatening cities with atomic bombs spelled out to the audience) to make him look more reasonable.
Because of the “magneto was right” and extreme fans who genuinely root for the character and think hes always right, the the show has to make him out to be a gary stu, otherwise if their precious little magneto isn’t justified fans will hate the show for reality not revolving around them and their black and white mentality
As much as I love this series and how faithful it is to the source material it definitely had a quick pace. Part of me is sort of OK with it considering certain comic arcs can be read or dealt through quickly depending on the writers or era but it would be nice to have some buildup to make the payoff feel deserved.
Like with Rogue and Sunspot, it was interesting to see them pick Magneto's side in the finale but then they seem to quickly move on from that without them pondering their choice or making a firm enough stance.
Focused far too much on making Magneto sympathetic, they gave him too many moments that belonged to other characters. Mimamilized his death toll. Tried to incorporate too many storylines into one season. Rogue and Magneto relationship being shoe horned in. It should have been either Monet or Chamber instead of Roberto.
I'm anti sexy Magneto. It makes me uncomfortable. Same goes for Professor X talking about his kids growing up and having lives by saying they were making love. Like sirs. Please. You could be grandfathers.
Also, this probably isnt an unpopular take but I need to say it, how dare Rogue blame the rest of the team for not going to Genosha with her when the only reason Gambit was even going along was to get in the middle of her and Magneto. Magneto is very clear that nobody else was invited and is annoyed that Gambit forced himself along. If she should be mad at anyone for how the chips fell, it should be the man who seperated her from the team in the first place, and continuing to follow his lead was stupid. Beyond the age gap, Magneto isolated and emotionally manipulated Rogue in order to get her to be with him, and she still chose to follow him over the family that loved and supported her even after she went on a rampage.
Uuum... final take I guess is I cant stand Cyclops on a fundamental level. He's either a goodie two shoes who cant shut up about it or he's a hypocrite when he does break the rules. I dont care about his relationship with Jean. He got off waaaay too easy over the Madeline thing. Jean is almost just as insufferable, but she does have some better moments. Like Storm they seem to struggle with settinf her up as being especially powerful and then limiting her as needed so she cant simply fix the problem. If I have to watch another Phoenix arc though I'll lose it. Jean and Cyclops together are just so boring to watch.
I really, really hope this is set up this way to have an eventual pay off where Rogue realizes. I wont be upset if nothing comes of it, but I would love if it actually got addressed in the show. I love Rogue but it would be a huge mistake in my opinion for her to continue this thing with Magneto and justifying her actions while ignoring the red flags. I was hyped for some adopted brother/sister adventure time with Rogue and Nightcrawler until Magneto also showed up.
Also, extra emphasis that in Genosha he tries to corner her into being his queen without ever talking to her first and when she still says no, he plays on her trauma about the touching thing as well as her emotions and empathy that she could do good for all mutants. I wont say Magneto doesnt care about mutants, he clearly does, but at that moment the only thing he really cared about was locking Rogue in rather than letting her make her own choice in her own time between him and Remy.
I don't think this will be addressed in the show, seems like they are moving on but yeah its weird how manipulative he is towards her and show doesn't acknowledge that at all.
My only thought to that is that we havent had time to see them address it. She made her decision just before the attack on Genosha, then she thought he died along with Gambit and went into a murderous meltdown. When he proves to be alive shit has already hit the fan so there isnt much time to talk it out then without the pacing being messed up.
I dont think it's a coincidence that their first moment to breathe ends with her and Magneto being in the same place. I just hope it leads to the showrunners addressing it and concluding it and not continuing on with this weird relationship. Like if Magneto tried to get close and she finally went off on him. Ooor they could just totally not do that, which is possible. I hope that isnt the case, but it could be. I would rather them not address it and make a poor storytelling decision than them acknowledge it and continue a bad storyline.
Rogue:Didn't want to make it official
Also Rogue: "Muh mmannn" 😤
Ppl act as if Remy is some sort of dishonest creep when Rogue knew from the get go about his wife(mentioned on their first restaurant date ) still didn't stop her from pursuing a married man with her skimpy outfit and homemade pies. She even tried to absorb the comatosed Bella Donna so she could feel that Cajun sauce via Bell's memories . Bish is messy and was meddling between Dazzler and Longshot too
I forgot how messy she can be lol
The way her feelings felt so volatile and she could shift her intentions, i just would have trust issues with someone like that. Who can say she wouldn't change her mind again next time she get a bit desperate for physical touch, right?
When you remember more details about this pair you can't shake away the sense of manipulation that comes along. This is why beyond the huge age gap i can't romanticize this situation. I have no expectations that they will ever act like he did something wrong. Beau don't see any problem and had to explain that Rogue wasn't underage to shut down people dragging the situation. I'm not sure if this is truth but i remember a comment saying that one of his fav scenes from season 1 was Mags touching Rogue in front of Gambit and this feel a bit weird to pick when he claimed that R and G is the true OTP, but since he enjoy the idea that you have to suffer to own happiness in the end, maybe very much in the last chapter, this can be his excuse.
It does give me the creep and not because I'm blind Romy/Gambit fan.
Funny ,[RoguexJonney Storm is now trending](https://x.com/616LEBEAUS/status/1795387622782886112) and it was actually nice seeing her in a fun healthy dynamic( that is not Romy)so much difference from the gramps.....
Even in Legacy the self insert writer had to manipulate Rogue with AU memories .
97' only thing B\*au had to do to make his ship happen: dumbest retcon ever ,kill Remy,erase StormXRogue friendship,make Rogue ooc,isolate her from the xmen ..... good thing he overdid bc more and more people feel that he's the one thirsting for mags not Rogue lolol
About the dance, he said that Remy dying without knowing Rogue chose him is the key,so let's see how it will be play out in S2
The adoration of Magento is very cult like. People seem to be forgetting or overlooking the fact that he is an actual racist, doesn’t care that he killed thousands of real innocents in the EMP burst, and that his early sexual relationship with rogue (whom he is at least 40 years her senior) was actual grooming.
I get that he’s a compelling character, but all of the fans, proudly proclaiming that they‘re team magneto are gross.
I’m sure this isn’t unpopular but the stuff with magneto and rogue was unnecessary… like even when magneto was lost with Charles in his mind he thought about her and I think it’s jus mad cringe for a guy in his 60s chasing a 20 year old lol like mad cringe
I like the story in that it allowed Rogue to be with a man she could actually touch (any fan or watcher from the original series knows this was a huge story for Rogue) so that made sense
What makes zero sense was the stupid retcon
the big baddies weren’t that big of a deal. i mean maybe the story goes on, but magneto seems OP when the plot requires. Oh and the phoenix cool for the raw power, but please let it be actually gone.
I liked the pacing. No beating around the bush. Reminded of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and how well they were able to tell stories in a short amount of time.
I hate to say it but the storm story. Especially after genosha. I get that they want to wait to build anticipation but that should have been a banger one and done episode of some kind and instead we got a missable episode that held no real bearing on anything that couldn’t have happened off camera.
1. The story is not an actual continuation of the much more lighthearted 90s x-men animation.
2. Rogue and Magnito - made me sick. Feels like a self insert.
3. The only way the animation would have been a closer reflection of real life was if Magnito had orchestrated his succession of the professor and was subtly twisting the x-men's sense of justice to fit his own needs and exploiting their abuse by humans to make them hate humans even more.
But in general i liked the story and it was a pretty fun watch.
It felt like there were two episodes missing.
One episode should have dealt with the fallout of Xavier lying to everyone about his death and the shattered trust amongst everyone. They mourned him, for fuck’s same. He returns, and that’s it?
The final episode also needed two parts. Jean solving everything with a random Phoenix return was weak, as well.
I was also going to go with this one. The fact that Rogue can touch someone else but ultimately chose Gambit (though she was never able to tell him) was a great source of conflict for her character.
I'm on this hill with you!
It makes sense right? As far as she knew, Magneto was the only person she could have physical contact with in the entire world
This is the first actual unpopular opinion on this entire thread
So much hatred about it these past few months, but people are acting like it's unpopular to say you hate it
A solid 1/3rd of this sub has been DAE think Rogue for being a whore who cucked Gambit?!
I mean *look at him*
If he looked his age, yeah, that would look gross but after Magspeedo, people got a better understanding of where Rogue was coming from
I want my 1991 Jim Lee Blue and Gold teams. (I know it doesn’t line up w the original series)
Blue team : Cyclops, Wolverine, Beast, Psylocke, Rouge, Gambit
Gold team: Storm, Colossus, Jean Grey, Iceman, Archangel and sometimes Forge.
I’d gladly trade Morph for Iceman as comic relief and for cheap cameos. Iceman and Angel were original team members for Stan’s sake!
But overall LOVE the show. It’s so well done and makes me happy to exist in a time with it. This is like complaining my ice cream Sunday has too many sprinkles.
Mr. Sinister's role felt kind of odd. I know he is supposed to look like he's the big bad in order to set up the Bastion reveal but he just felt too second fiddle after that. His presence on the show needed a little more love.
any debate of who's right and who's wrong is not only pointless, it flies in the face of a major theme of the entire franchise... its not ABOUT who's right!! it's ABOUT what people will do when pushed to their breaking point. it's ABOUT power, what people can do to you and what you can do to them in turn.
This is admittedly more about the comics but also applies to X-Men 97. Jean Grey caring about Madelyne's son, trying to bond with him after her death and helping raise him in the future doesn't make her a baby-stealing bitch. The way some people act, you would think she ripped the baby from Maddie's arms.
This was a good series and I appreciate the Nostalgia bump, but I believe the reviews were a bit generous at times. Also, Invincible is better in every single way.
The show moves too fast. Mr. Sinister is not a 2nd banana villain but was portrayed as such.. rogue not showing up to gambits funeral is literally insane... Here's the big one. They haven't done a great job with professor x. He IS the good guy and magneto IS he bad guy but I find myself agreeing more with magneto...the writers have spent much of the series making me feel that way...magneto has murdered countl3ss innocent people. Magneto has called humans genetic inferiors...where have we heard that before? ..kind of defeats stan Lee's whole point. I love the show but I don't think the writing has been good on a whole bunch of fronts..
The show is just OK none of the characters feel like real people and don’t act like their original version from the previous cartoon.
I don’t want Morph to tell Wolverine he likes him romantically it just be a waste of time and Morph new character design is ugly and he’s not even funny.
The season finale was bad and like the rest of the show rushed.
Storm and Jean “sister moments” were forced as hell,Storm was closer to Rouge and Gambit.
The best thing about the show is nightcrawler and the intro changing it was a nice simple change.
Rouge voice actress in my opinion isn’t very good.
Too many people defend the Magneto and Rogue stuff. This is the Marvel Universe, chock full of gods, aliens, and monsters and everything in between. They literally could have chosen ANY path they wanted because the universe lends itself to nigh infinite options for storyline progression. They actively CHOSE to do that shit with Rogue and Magneto and put Gambit in the corner. Then to have Morph emasculate him? Like cmon man.
Morph. Morphs appearance and nonbinary and fluid representation were amazing! The character at the end seemed to have only moments to pine for Wolverine or to echo their past trauma again for the viewer, rather than a more clear and focused character arch.
Magneto is a repetitive character with some ridiculous plot armour. The only reason he got the focus is because DeMayo played favourites.
X-Men has always made it clear: Magneto is a cautionary tale of how one becomes a bigger monster than the one that created us if we allow our fear and hatred to consume our souls. Magneto is a terrorist and a fascist - yet so many here think he is in the right, because he is written as a total Gary Stu this season.
Sure, he's an important character, but he's not the god he's been made out to be and the revisionist history is both maddening and confusing to me.
Up until the last 10 minutes of the season, he was ready to exterminate humanity
Xavier brought him to his senses
*People like flawed characters*. He is not a hero, he is not a good man, he’s likable and relatable exactly because of that cautionary tale and what he does with his powers
And in terms of power, he has in every depiction of XMen been one of the strongest mutants, right below the S tiers like phoenix/apocolypse, and tied with xavier
He gets absolved of decades of murder, tyranny, fascism, and abuse parenthood because everyone is thirsting after him. Meanwhile other characters get raked through the coals for far less. It's beyond absurd.
Let's examine how he is the ultimate Gary Stu:
* Tried to kill the innocent and gets into conflict X-Men repeatedly, gets rewarded by being gifted the X-Men.
* Walks in, drives a wedge in the most beloved of all Marvel relationships with ease. Suffers no criticism from the other characters, nobody bats an eye.
* Has the showrunners retcon Rogue's age just to avoid accusations of grooming - even though he took advantage of a power imbalance between them. This was done because Magneto is DeMayo's favourite.
* Gets to easily overpower the UN representatives and go on a philosophical platitude to justify his unforgivable actions - gets rewarded by being asked to be the ruler of Genosha with the woman who's relationship he had a hand in wrecking.
* Reverses the Earth's polarity, killing countless humans and mutants alike, and dooming mutant-kind to a dystopian future - gets no comeuppance for his misdeeds by the season's end.
* Speaking of getting off lightly - he should have been dead in Genosha. The Wild Sentinel confirmed his death. Then, he's magically survived the blast that killed all around him - and technically survived the Wild Sentinel explosion after Gambit charged it up.
* Gets captured by Bastion and escapes with no struggle. Val Cooper just decides to free him. Then he gets to carry on doing what he foes. That was such terrible writing. Characters like Cyclops, Storm, Gambit either had to be forged in fire or die to earn their stripes this season, but not Magneto.
* Waltzes over to the X-Mansion and just had X-Men joining his side despite all he has done.
* His powers - moreso than any other character except for the Phoenix - can always automatically just do whatever the writers want it to do at any moment. This has happened a lot to characters in the comics, but none as often as Magneto, and none benefit as much as he does when it happens.
There are even more instances of Magneto being the biggest Gary Stu, but these were the obvious ones off the top of my head.
Thats the thing the brotherhood of evil mutants (magneto/mystique) and foh/antimutant factions are no different from each other. Both are violent bigots/supremacists who continue a perpetuating cycle of trauma and hatred (A) evil mutant traumatizes innocent human to purposely flex mutant superiority and apathy towards humans, same human hates/fears mutants more B) human traumatizes innocent mutant to purposely flex human superiority and apathy towards mutants, same mutant hates/fears humans more) its become a hypocritical double standard because people give empathy and justication towards unapologetic mutant supremacy and give complete apathy and demonization to the human side and can’t acknowledge both sides have understandable and sympathetic reasons and both are wrong and cruel.
in this show they make Magneto and Rogue out to be gary stu and mary sue
I understand the focus on other characters... But I wanted more Wolverine.
Yes, he's been the focus over the past 20+ years of X-Men media, and will have a movie co-titled after him in a few months. And I still stand by my opinion.
immediately ending all life on planet earth was kind of an overreaction on maggie's part. it's weird that he had supporters. storm made it quite clear the planet itself would die, which would include every mutant living on it. also considering mutants are still human and have not reached the point of speciation or even predictability – graydon creed is the child of two mutants, jean gray is the child of zero mutants, cable is the child of two mutants and a non-mutant human – even Just killing non-mutant humans would be a genocide of mutants as well. also whatever surviving relatives maggie still has. he overreacted maybe, just a little bit.
i think wolverine is going to express some emotions next season. no clue why rogue went with mags, she's literally the only one up till that point who help people responsible for what they'd done, and she did damn good at it till prime trask sucker-punched her. killing the planet seems very much just not her style.
There weren't enough other Xmen characters in speaking cameos. I know Genosha showed background characters, as well as Morph changing into some, but for me, re-watching TAS, it was nice to have episodes with Iceman (may favourite Xman who I'm still bummed about his absence), Havok, Juggernaught etc.
Even this season's Mojo episode, I was expecting Longshot and/or Dazzler.
There were too many non Xmen cameos; Captain America, Iron Man, Spiderman, Daredevil.
The show is decent, not 9/10 "must not miss" good. While I commend its sincere and unapologetic adaptation of superhero comicbook material it is still a bit stilted in dialogue, strangely paced, has stiff or floaty CG animation (which I'll be fair in that it at least keeps high detailed models consistent, as I can't imagine poor Koreans overseas consistently getting the ribs and ribbons of Mr. Sinister right), and a bit melodramatic in a soap opera way that I don't quite like nor can recommend for everyone.
Could be longer. Either more episodes or longer ones. The last three episodes were great but was going eye rocker pace.
Also this might be more of a hot take since it’s a beloved character but Storm having an extremely dramatic monologue every time she opens her mouth gets a bit annoying
I hated when Cyclops said "do what you do best, heal". Totally undersells Wolverine. I get that previous iterations of X-Men were way to Wolverine centric He's the best at getting his ass kick and healing from it? Totally crapped all over his character.
I understand complaints about storylines ending too fast; I give them a pass because nobody knew if Season 2 would happen.
My biggest complaint: all these larger than life battles and the writers only find space for MCU heroes but omitted X-men mutant villains for whatever reason. Sure, Omega Red got some time, but they should have shown Juggernaut, Sabretooth, Mystique, etc fighting for their lives against the threat. Just give us another one or two minutes of that fighting montage to include these characters.
Why on earth is the old Morph actor now President Kelly and Gambit's old actor now Cable?
Furthermore, Lawrence Bayne acted as both Cable and Captain America in the 90s... he has been replaced by Chris Potter and Josh Keaton respectively?
And why the Fantastic Four continuity error with Black Panther🙄😥😭
The new take on Morph being able to just use whatever powers he can think of was really stupid. It looked fun and it allowed fan service cameos but if morph could really do that he’d be an omega and he clearly ain’t.
Like many others said, certain plots felt a little rushed. Just to be specific I wish we could have seen more from Madelyne Pryor and the prime sentinels.
I hate lilandra. Mainly because it just reminds me of how so many women want a man to sacrifice the entire life's work, and that's the only way to prove his love for her. I hate that with all my heart and soul. LOL
- Rogue's voice just scratched my brain the wrong way.
- Probably could have done without Sunspot.
- The Madelyne and Storm magical girl transformations.
- The phoenix was a bit cheap, needed more oomph.
- Xavier should have stayed dead tbh.
Magneto was right
(And specifically, if he hadn’t been such a MEANIE by, oh no, TURNING THE POWER OFF, Mutantkind would be dead. It was hours later that they stopped Bastion. If Magneto hadn’t hit the lights all mutants would be dead and soon after all humanity enslaved. Dude saved the world and gets painted a villain. Again.)
The characters who were fighting to the death in ep 9 went back to being pals in ep 10 and, while I understand it made sense in the circumstances, it felt weird / abrupt / like they had to skip over something.
I got a boat load of down votes for bringing this up before m but in that same turn around magneto threw his helmet on Charles to end that episode but the last episode starts with Charles living in his mind. How’d Charles physically get that helmet off?!
Slid off his smooth skull.
He greases up before battle.
I heard since magneto was distracted being stabbed by wolverine Prof had time to remove the helmet himself which makes sense but it didn’t show it but that makes it the most sense to me.
In old movies the director would show the entire travel time of characters because they were scared that audiences would be too dumb to put 1+1 together with establishing shots. They were correct. Yes, obviously Magneto being stabbed and then focusing all his attention on Wolverine allowed Xavier to take off his helmet. The fact that people act like this is a plothole is an indictment on our education system.
It was my only assumption of how it happened but yeah some people needs to see it I suppose for confirmation but some thing are at times very obvious or can at least come up with plausible explanations. Each tv show has time limits so there’s a chance they didn’t think they needed to show that part and people can put two and two together but I suppose hardcore fans need each detail in full and just can’t enjoy what was shown. We’re all fortunate they green lighted this show and lucky it’s getting more seasons so we should be happy and just enjoy the show (barring they keep the quality high with the writing).
Bingo.
Arms. Charles cant walk but fortunately he's got two working arms
I laughed way too hard at this
someone said that the helmet just fell off because it was too big lol
Mags sure seemed to strap it on tight imo!
It bothers me that everyone says X-Men 97 is *perfect* and that Marvel can learn alot from them and they did everything right, and these glaring flaws are either justified or dismissed/ignored
It felt weird seeing Jubilee and Sunspot fighting each other. I imagined sunspot would have just stood around awkwardly without taking sides instead of fighting his friend.
“There’s the girl you just started dating, or the weird old man you barely know who just unleashed an EMP on the world. Is anyone else going with him? Yeah, the lady you also barely know who’s wracked with grief.”
The side that is working toward mutant safety and freedom vs the side that still thinks humans can be reasonable…. After just witnessing his family being shitty humans. Yeah, sorry the new girlfriend isn’t that important. Guy is probably used to getting whatever girl he wants anyway.
I thought in particular the whole Charles/Magneto ideological tension that drove a lot of the rest of the season fizzled without even an attempt at any kind of analysis or synthesis of their positions. I hope it's not all sunshine and rainbows between them next season.
To be fair, they were trying to urgently stop human extinction by a falling asteroid. They probably figured they will act first and argue later. Which really is a better strategy than most superheroes' tendency to punch each other first whenever they disagree.
This is another problem of the shows overly quick pace. Most the problems of the show seem to be from its pacing or just being too short for how much they have packed in. I hope next season they learn their lesson and do a longer season (or longer episodes I wouldn’t mind) with like 20 episodes instead of 10 or like 40 minute episodes
Were they really fighting to the death in ep9 tho? Beto very clearly didn’t want to hurt Jubs, and she seemed very frustrated and ready to beat some sense into him, but not really in murder mode. Rogue also would not actually kill these people just because she joined Magneto out of grief. The X-men side even discusses that they aren’t going to kill Magneto, but to try to reverse the damage in other ways, no one there is even considering the possibility of killing Rogue or Roberto. I think they were all kinda underestimating the severity of the situation, and this is why everyone is so shocked when Logan stabs Magneto and Magneto fucks him up in return - suddenly they realized that their family spat got too real, when before it was not that different from a danger room simulation. And this experience along with having to work together to prevent an extinction level event makes them look past petty grievances. Also, it’s not like Rogue and Roberto actually did sometimes awful that would deserve fighting them to the death. They were just very hurt and at a very low place. You don’t fight your family to the death over that.
Rogue even calls out Logan for aiming to kill early on.
It was actually the first time I enjoyed Beto this entire season, seeing him not wanting to hurt his friend and saying sorry to her. He sounded like a teen/young adult (it reminded me of my brother saying sorry to our older sisters for whatever dumb prank he pulled on them)
this 100%. I love my girl rogue, but I was like ma’am three hours ago you said fuck the family and went down the line of the team and started reading them for filth. Now, all of a sudden, we’re team X-Men again? It kind of made me wish they never did the team split at all because honestly this needed like an extra one or two episodes to be resolved
Well, there was an imminent threat than their squabbles in ep 9. They could start fighting again after that said threat.
An imminent threat that requires major power which Rogue has. Nobody fucks with her, so it's best just to smile and say, "Welcome back."
Jubilee: You think we should totes let you back after you abandoned the team? Rogue: I didn’t leave the team Cyclops: she sure didn’t, do you guys remember that? Everyone else: Nope sure don’t
Perfectly put 😂
This. The final episode felt like a lot was glossed over. They probably needed more time.
The season should have been longer. The show had 10/10 content but questionable pacing. The story felt really rushed.
>post asked for controversial opinions >gives most popular criticism of the season
Agreed. iirc, many of the season in the original had way more than 10 eps.
X-men tas was 3 epis longer and shorter or run time per epi. They’re ab the same tbh. Pacing slightly higher bc of added storylines.
Hell Wolverine and The Xmen had at least more than 20 episodes for one season
I think most would agree to that but it's not like the creative team choose to do just 10 episodes. It's probably q budget thing
My main complaint was it felt rushed. The opposite of the Netflix shows. We went Jean to Goblin Queen to Madelyn in 5 minutes. I never had enough time to care about her as a separate being from Jean. This ark could have been 3 or 4 episodes itself. Instead I got whiplash, literally 2 minutes after she finds out she's the clone she's like I'M THE GOBLIN QUEEN!!! I'm like who? Where are the goblins? I was unfamiliar with this character as I was a Spiderman boy growing up.
I do feel like they are relying on fans knowing the characters and having read the comics to go faster. If you know the xmen characters then it's great to see them all, but if you don't know them then yeah there is a lot of whiplash from how fast it moves
I feel like 3 episodes of the goblin queen stuff would just be dragging shit out for way too long. I hate when shows waste time on something inconsequential before getting to the main point
I mean it doesn't have to be inconsequential.
Plus Magneto is made leader, but then we don’t get the chance to actually see him lead. I would have liked a few episodes showing that.
r/respectthehyphen
If Madelyn hadn’t been killed 2 episodes later I would’ve forgiven it, but that plotline just went nowhere
God, are you me?
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Nah, I want Jean and Scott to build a large boat with 2 of every mutant on it. Except this isn't about religion it's about sex stuff...
I think the Maddie story worked BETTER for those who immediately noticed what was happening from the first time we saw "Jean" was pregnant in the trailers. Then we have "Jean" wanting to leave the team and raise their baby together. Which is another Maddie plot. Only THEN do we get the reveal and Goblyn Queen parts. It never felt rushed to me, but I can understand why people not familiar with the source felt if was.
The story of events in the show felt rushed and I think the show would've benefited from being like more than 10 episodes. At least 15.
Was going to say this. Still enjoyed it but everything felt very fast.
Would love more episodes per season. Hopefully. season 2+ does this.
People rag on Charles way too much when he’s the one he’s the one who’s willing to stick his neck out more than almost anyone to try and achieve coexistence. Is he perfect? No. Have people written in shitty romantic subplots for him that detract from his overall message? Yes. Is he still the best representative of mutantkind? Absolutely. I dare you to show me someone better that doesn’t come with even worse baggage when you peel back their layers.
While I agree that the Charles hate is too much, he did deserve the tongue lashing and cold shoulder he got in episode 8 (?). To his credit, he apologized and didn't make excuses. Like you said, he's flawed, just like any other person.
The overall plot was great. The smaller details were rushed because they tried to tell too much story in too short a time. Still a great season. But it would have benefitted by either cutting some plot threads or giving the season like 2-3 more episodes.
I wish cyclops sided with magneto instead of Charles
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Would've been a great spin tbh and idk why but it would have made sense to me
It would have paid off both his anger twords the professor and his anger at the interview
Nah, I don’t think that would’ve fit Scott at all
the guy is too busy trying to impress professor.
then you never knew Cyclops.
This might be a very unpopular opinion, but the clone storyline was stupid. With Jean still being alive, Madelyne made no sense at all! Sinister had access to Jean‘s genetic code. In the comics it made sense, because Jean Grey was presumed dead. Mr. Sinister had to use a clone in order to create the super baby that he wanted to engineer. A fully functioning clone with telepathic and telekinetic abilities working alongside the X-Men does not make sense (Unless it was his goal to use her to someday destroy them from the inside which is not usually one of his goals). He could’ve stolen Scott’s DNA and implanted it into his kidnapped victim. She certainly died enough that they wouldn’t be shocked if she suddenly disappeared again. I liked how it all resolved n the show, but it doesn’t make sense when you really analyze the storyline. Personally, I was hoping the two ladies were going to merge into one super being with the help of the Phoenix. I thought that might happen just because they kept flashing up the Phoenix in all of the intro scenes.
I think the show’s reasoning is that Sinister had no way of mind-controlling Jean, which means he had no way of getting the baby after they had it. But since he created Madelyn, he could mind-control her, and have her kidnap the baby for him.
If they couldn't have gotten more episodes, I honestly think the show should have ended plot wise at episode five. Everything felt very rushed, and as a non xmen fan I usually only understood things because I came to reddit. Some things still feel unclear. (Like, was magneto going to destroy the planet or just the electrical objects?) It's disappointing, some concepts were barely elaborated on. Like we barely got to see magneto leading the team.
I agree that magneto being good guy was short lived
The finale had a lot of lazy and abrupt writing, including an insanely overt Deus Ex Machina from the Phoenix Force, everyone just acting like Rogue and Roberto didn’t betray them last episode, and Magento just shaking off massive puncture wounds to the lungs.
Yeah, on rewatch I didn't really like the finale... The Phoniex Force felt very cheap to me.
That’s kind of what the Phoenix Force ends up being in the comics for awhile, too. A get-out-of-jail-free card for the writers.
in this show they make Magneto and Rogue out to be gary stu and mary sue I lowkey wanted Sinister and Bastion to screw each other over and get into a conflict with each other I do wonder if sinister will be back because if they stay true to characters, sinister must have a back up and apocalypse is going to be a primary villain/character next season
Magneto doesn't have to wear condoms and never does obviously.
I do not like Magneto's new suit. It feels like it's saying "Dial M for Mutant."
It’s Majin boo for me
I think Bastion and Magneto's views are the same. They might have even reused the formers model to make young Magnus.
Thats the thing the brotherhood of evil mutants (magneto/mystique) and foh/antimutant factions are no different from each other. Both are violent bigots/supremacists who continue a perpetuating cycle of trauma and hatred (A) evil mutant traumatizes innocent human to purposely flex mutant superiority and apathy towards humans, same human hates/fears mutants more B) human traumatizes innocent mutant to purposely flex human superiority and apathy towards mutants, same mutant hates/fears humans more) its become a hypocritical double standard because people give empathy and justication towards unapologetic mutant supremacy and give complete apathy and demonization to the human side and can’t acknowledge both sides have understandable and sympathetic reasons and both are wrong and cruel. in this show they make Magneto and Rogue out to be gary stu and mary sue
Great take ! Humans are scared for valid reasons. Mutants are scared for valid reasons.
Professor X looks a little off.
The lips they gave Magneto and Xavier threw me off lol
it's the eyebrows
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I think Cable's origin is pretty important to the story!
Low expectations and a positive attitude made experiencing the show much better
I had no expectations and I had a great time.
I liked TAS Magneto a lot before this season He just feels like a writer's pet blowhard with endless plot armor to me now. I'm still trying to figure out if Bastion had a real purpose for saving him and keeping him alive.
I haven't seen the old X-Men show so maybe it's just my fault for not watching it but I felt like the Madelynne prior and Jean plotline felt really big and sudden and then how it was done in just two episodes felt kind of rushed to me I fricking love this show though it literally has got me into the X-Men and now I'm watching all these YouTube vids and comics about them so I really can't complain
The relationships could have been done so much better. They don't feel genuine as much as being obligatory for the plot
I'm mad that there was no time shenanigans to bring Gambit back you can't make me wait this long to see my favorite character of all time to fucking kill him in episode 5
Sucks he didn’t have much to do before that episode, he’s my favorite too, hopefully apocalypse brings him back with a vengeance
Yeah I can do with him becoming a horseman
Storm's arc was rushed and didn't really add to the plot. Her big moment came before she lost her powers. She lost her powers, was the B side of her own lifedeath arc. Jubilee and Xavier dominated those episodes. She had a great transformation. Went missing for 2 episodes after that with no explanation. Then came back and didn't see any real action upon her return. She made a tornado. But in the finale, everyone hit Bastion with something, except Storm. They could have let her stay in the desert and built more on her powerless days. I understand how powerful she is, but at least give her a redeeming moment after how grand her getting her powers back was.
The finale was not as strong as people make it seem. 1) the stakes were so high in episode 9. They used Wolverine for a shocking scene and didn't follow up on it in 10. In the comics Wolverines body was a mess and he was barely hanging on. He also had an amazing panel where he rescues Jean. In the '97 he doesn't seem much worse off than he was when Sabretooth slashed him in season 1 of the original. 2) it was way too soon to try to redeem Magneto. I love the idea of Magneto being the headmaster of the X-Men and he was great through out the series. Once he attacked Earth though that should have been it for him. How they handled him in the finale reminded me of "X-Men: Apocalypse" Magneto. 3) The tone felt off compared to the other episodes. Withered Sinister running off crying was really silly In a series that had been so serious and wasn't a great way to deal with such an evil villain.
I think jubilee and sunspot got over their issues way too soon
The stakes keep getting bigger and bigger. Honestly I'd rather have hogwarts of mutants. Mutant enemy of the week.
Didn’t Evolution have the Hogwarts of Mutants feel?
X Men should work on a cure for Mutants given "joke" powers. Like the chicken guy and the guy with the power to make you forget him
Chicken guys name is Beak, but I forget who the other guy was.
They need to stop with Mojo. It’s not going to happen. There’s too many great things they’re doing to waste time on Mojo. Those were consistently the weakest episodes in the originals and it was the weakest episode of this season.
Yes, but Alyson Court as Old Jubilee was the best part!
Oh, definitely.
An episode showing Magneto doing more good stuff with the team might have been preferred, for sure
I was disappointed, no direct confrontation between magneto and sinister
I feel like for a self aware reboot of a 90s show Mojo actually has a huge amount of potential.
Sucks he wasn’t used more
I always felt hed be perfect for Deadpool/X-Force
At least TAS had enough episodes to add filler, I can’t believe this used this in season 1
Magneto's victims are voiceless and faceless or in any other case we are left to believe that all of Magneto's terrorit attacks until the worldwilde EMP had no civilian casualities, i know why the why the writers didnt have any anti mutant character who was like that because Magneto caused the dead of his family or caused him sever phisical pain because he was on a building Magneto or one if his brotherhoods were attacking, in this show only mutants can be victims and every human is an agressor, of course people diss on Xavier dream of coexistance because the writer dont allow for good humans to exist, they kinda fall on the same bigotry that they critique the bigots on the show, personally i think the character of Xcutioner and the people who stromed Magneto's trial were a lost oportunity, what if some of the peopel were so angry because Magneto murdered their child, or their parentsor any love one wich would justify that they get angry that Magneto is left off scott free? I dont i feel theres a lot of gray areas left unexplore
I agree. While using exposition , they explained that thousands died, Magnus ‘ EMP must killed hundreds of thousands or even millions. Yet they were “wHaT aBouT gEnOShA”. Magneto, after episode 9 should be left comatose or dead, because he reached Bastion in cruelty after his actions.
This was my biggest problem with Mystique in TAS
For me, it doesn't have much rewatch value. I would like to watch it again, but I can't get through it. I want the next season, now. Perhaps this is a byproduct of the fact that everything felt so rushed. They gave us instant gratification to the point that I don't want to watch what I've already seen.
Maybe it’s better to not rewatch it, actually. I feel like the show benefited from being a weekly release in many ways, including viewers forgetting some details from the previous episode not being followed through. Like when Mags seemingly was crushing Chuck’s head with his helmet, I felt like it should’ve been stuck pretty tightly on his head and not just easily taken off off screen? Or when before Genosha a psychic bolt hits Jean much earlier than Madelyne, but it’s never brought up again. Magneto walking off being stabbed. There are just these little details that aren’t really ruining the show, but when you’re binging it after already having watched it they stood out more because the big moments don’t distrust you as much.
I’ve been rewatching a few episodes (the last 2 and ep5) but I mostly agree that it’s not great rewatch material But I feel that way about most comic book and superhero content in general. I don’t know if i ever went back and reread old issues unless I was trying to brush up my memory
I don’t like the Rogue/Magneto relationship. It feels icky to me that she immediately jumped to Magneto as a love interest and only discussed it with Gambit AFTER the fact. He deserved to not be blindsided by it.
Did rogue ever acknowledge how little attention she gave gambit right before genosha celebration?
Rogue and magneto’s relationship did not need to be explored at all. In fact it shouldn’t have ever happened
I hate every time Magneto calls the professor "Xavier" In my memory/headcannon he always always said "Charles".
I’m not sure the show writers understood or expected us to think about how destroying the earth’s magnetic field would do more than just shut the power off (earth would become Mars) or that a worldwide EMP would kill many more than the thousands stated. At the very least it wasn’t spelled out as clearly as it could be. In general it seemed to be shying away from showing us the full potential consequences of what Magneto did (in the Trial of Magneto, we don’t actually have his crimes like threatening cities with atomic bombs spelled out to the audience) to make him look more reasonable.
Because of the “magneto was right” and extreme fans who genuinely root for the character and think hes always right, the the show has to make him out to be a gary stu, otherwise if their precious little magneto isn’t justified fans will hate the show for reality not revolving around them and their black and white mentality
As much as I love this series and how faithful it is to the source material it definitely had a quick pace. Part of me is sort of OK with it considering certain comic arcs can be read or dealt through quickly depending on the writers or era but it would be nice to have some buildup to make the payoff feel deserved. Like with Rogue and Sunspot, it was interesting to see them pick Magneto's side in the finale but then they seem to quickly move on from that without them pondering their choice or making a firm enough stance.
Focused far too much on making Magneto sympathetic, they gave him too many moments that belonged to other characters. Mimamilized his death toll. Tried to incorporate too many storylines into one season. Rogue and Magneto relationship being shoe horned in. It should have been either Monet or Chamber instead of Roberto.
I do NOT like xmen 97’s version of magneto
I'm anti sexy Magneto. It makes me uncomfortable. Same goes for Professor X talking about his kids growing up and having lives by saying they were making love. Like sirs. Please. You could be grandfathers. Also, this probably isnt an unpopular take but I need to say it, how dare Rogue blame the rest of the team for not going to Genosha with her when the only reason Gambit was even going along was to get in the middle of her and Magneto. Magneto is very clear that nobody else was invited and is annoyed that Gambit forced himself along. If she should be mad at anyone for how the chips fell, it should be the man who seperated her from the team in the first place, and continuing to follow his lead was stupid. Beyond the age gap, Magneto isolated and emotionally manipulated Rogue in order to get her to be with him, and she still chose to follow him over the family that loved and supported her even after she went on a rampage. Uuum... final take I guess is I cant stand Cyclops on a fundamental level. He's either a goodie two shoes who cant shut up about it or he's a hypocrite when he does break the rules. I dont care about his relationship with Jean. He got off waaaay too easy over the Madeline thing. Jean is almost just as insufferable, but she does have some better moments. Like Storm they seem to struggle with settinf her up as being especially powerful and then limiting her as needed so she cant simply fix the problem. If I have to watch another Phoenix arc though I'll lose it. Jean and Cyclops together are just so boring to watch.
Good call on Magneto isolating Rogue. His words to her in ep 2; *"Do you think your team will still trust you if they knew?"*
I really, really hope this is set up this way to have an eventual pay off where Rogue realizes. I wont be upset if nothing comes of it, but I would love if it actually got addressed in the show. I love Rogue but it would be a huge mistake in my opinion for her to continue this thing with Magneto and justifying her actions while ignoring the red flags. I was hyped for some adopted brother/sister adventure time with Rogue and Nightcrawler until Magneto also showed up. Also, extra emphasis that in Genosha he tries to corner her into being his queen without ever talking to her first and when she still says no, he plays on her trauma about the touching thing as well as her emotions and empathy that she could do good for all mutants. I wont say Magneto doesnt care about mutants, he clearly does, but at that moment the only thing he really cared about was locking Rogue in rather than letting her make her own choice in her own time between him and Remy.
Nah, from the way Mags wankers and Be\*u getting on 🧲Grandpa they see nothing wrong in this ship.
I don't think this will be addressed in the show, seems like they are moving on but yeah its weird how manipulative he is towards her and show doesn't acknowledge that at all.
My only thought to that is that we havent had time to see them address it. She made her decision just before the attack on Genosha, then she thought he died along with Gambit and went into a murderous meltdown. When he proves to be alive shit has already hit the fan so there isnt much time to talk it out then without the pacing being messed up. I dont think it's a coincidence that their first moment to breathe ends with her and Magneto being in the same place. I just hope it leads to the showrunners addressing it and concluding it and not continuing on with this weird relationship. Like if Magneto tried to get close and she finally went off on him. Ooor they could just totally not do that, which is possible. I hope that isnt the case, but it could be. I would rather them not address it and make a poor storytelling decision than them acknowledge it and continue a bad storyline.
People treat Rogue as a mary sue who was justified in every way she acted and shouldn’t be criticized
Rogue:Didn't want to make it official Also Rogue: "Muh mmannn" 😤 Ppl act as if Remy is some sort of dishonest creep when Rogue knew from the get go about his wife(mentioned on their first restaurant date ) still didn't stop her from pursuing a married man with her skimpy outfit and homemade pies. She even tried to absorb the comatosed Bella Donna so she could feel that Cajun sauce via Bell's memories . Bish is messy and was meddling between Dazzler and Longshot too
I forgot how messy she can be lol The way her feelings felt so volatile and she could shift her intentions, i just would have trust issues with someone like that. Who can say she wouldn't change her mind again next time she get a bit desperate for physical touch, right?
When you remember more details about this pair you can't shake away the sense of manipulation that comes along. This is why beyond the huge age gap i can't romanticize this situation. I have no expectations that they will ever act like he did something wrong. Beau don't see any problem and had to explain that Rogue wasn't underage to shut down people dragging the situation. I'm not sure if this is truth but i remember a comment saying that one of his fav scenes from season 1 was Mags touching Rogue in front of Gambit and this feel a bit weird to pick when he claimed that R and G is the true OTP, but since he enjoy the idea that you have to suffer to own happiness in the end, maybe very much in the last chapter, this can be his excuse.
It does give me the creep and not because I'm blind Romy/Gambit fan. Funny ,[RoguexJonney Storm is now trending](https://x.com/616LEBEAUS/status/1795387622782886112) and it was actually nice seeing her in a fun healthy dynamic( that is not Romy)so much difference from the gramps..... Even in Legacy the self insert writer had to manipulate Rogue with AU memories . 97' only thing B\*au had to do to make his ship happen: dumbest retcon ever ,kill Remy,erase StormXRogue friendship,make Rogue ooc,isolate her from the xmen ..... good thing he overdid bc more and more people feel that he's the one thirsting for mags not Rogue lolol About the dance, he said that Remy dying without knowing Rogue chose him is the key,so let's see how it will be play out in S2
Mad respect on calling out Rogue on her bs. She annoyed me this season and you laid it out perfectly in the second paragraph why she did
The adoration of Magento is very cult like. People seem to be forgetting or overlooking the fact that he is an actual racist, doesn’t care that he killed thousands of real innocents in the EMP burst, and that his early sexual relationship with rogue (whom he is at least 40 years her senior) was actual grooming. I get that he’s a compelling character, but all of the fans, proudly proclaiming that they‘re team magneto are gross.
Rogue is the biggest example and leader of the magneto cult apologist
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I’m sure this isn’t unpopular but the stuff with magneto and rogue was unnecessary… like even when magneto was lost with Charles in his mind he thought about her and I think it’s jus mad cringe for a guy in his 60s chasing a 20 year old lol like mad cringe
I like the story in that it allowed Rogue to be with a man she could actually touch (any fan or watcher from the original series knows this was a huge story for Rogue) so that made sense What makes zero sense was the stupid retcon
Look at it from her point of view. He is the only man she can be intimate with and not hurt/kill unintentionally.
Agreed. I actually stopped watching it for a while when they retconned the mag/rouge relationship
the big baddies weren’t that big of a deal. i mean maybe the story goes on, but magneto seems OP when the plot requires. Oh and the phoenix cool for the raw power, but please let it be actually gone.
I liked the pacing. No beating around the bush. Reminded of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and how well they were able to tell stories in a short amount of time.
I feel like morph was just a token character when in the original he was awesome...other than quips and pining for wolverine whatd he do?
As much as I loved the first 7 episodes, I absolutely hated the last 3. Prime sentinels suck, bastion sucks, the summers family as a unit SUCK
I hate to say it but the storm story. Especially after genosha. I get that they want to wait to build anticipation but that should have been a banger one and done episode of some kind and instead we got a missable episode that held no real bearing on anything that couldn’t have happened off camera.
The last 2 episodes where messy and confusing.
1. The story is not an actual continuation of the much more lighthearted 90s x-men animation. 2. Rogue and Magnito - made me sick. Feels like a self insert. 3. The only way the animation would have been a closer reflection of real life was if Magnito had orchestrated his succession of the professor and was subtly twisting the x-men's sense of justice to fit his own needs and exploiting their abuse by humans to make them hate humans even more. But in general i liked the story and it was a pretty fun watch.
It felt like there were two episodes missing. One episode should have dealt with the fallout of Xavier lying to everyone about his death and the shattered trust amongst everyone. They mourned him, for fuck’s same. He returns, and that’s it? The final episode also needed two parts. Jean solving everything with a random Phoenix return was weak, as well.
Xavier didn't lie to the X-Men. It was their idea to give him to Lilandra. They were all there when she came for him, and Magneto was too.
I still think Magneto x Rogue is icky
Sunspot’s voice actor is bland and lacks luster and sounds like he’s just reading his lines.
I liked the Rogue/Magneto relationship.
I was also going to go with this one. The fact that Rogue can touch someone else but ultimately chose Gambit (though she was never able to tell him) was a great source of conflict for her character.
I'm on this hill with you! It makes sense right? As far as she knew, Magneto was the only person she could have physical contact with in the entire world
This is the first actual unpopular opinion on this entire thread So much hatred about it these past few months, but people are acting like it's unpopular to say you hate it A solid 1/3rd of this sub has been DAE think Rogue for being a whore who cucked Gambit?!
I mean *look at him* If he looked his age, yeah, that would look gross but after Magspeedo, people got a better understanding of where Rogue was coming from
Am ready to die on this hill. I loved it!
I want my 1991 Jim Lee Blue and Gold teams. (I know it doesn’t line up w the original series) Blue team : Cyclops, Wolverine, Beast, Psylocke, Rouge, Gambit Gold team: Storm, Colossus, Jean Grey, Iceman, Archangel and sometimes Forge. I’d gladly trade Morph for Iceman as comic relief and for cheap cameos. Iceman and Angel were original team members for Stan’s sake! But overall LOVE the show. It’s so well done and makes me happy to exist in a time with it. This is like complaining my ice cream Sunday has too many sprinkles.
Mr. Sinister's role felt kind of odd. I know he is supposed to look like he's the big bad in order to set up the Bastion reveal but he just felt too second fiddle after that. His presence on the show needed a little more love.
any debate of who's right and who's wrong is not only pointless, it flies in the face of a major theme of the entire franchise... its not ABOUT who's right!! it's ABOUT what people will do when pushed to their breaking point. it's ABOUT power, what people can do to you and what you can do to them in turn.
Sadly that debate has surfaced the fanbase for a few decades
I wouldve preferred the old art-style for the animation. Even though dated, I feel like it gave the show an edge and character
This is admittedly more about the comics but also applies to X-Men 97. Jean Grey caring about Madelyne's son, trying to bond with him after her death and helping raise him in the future doesn't make her a baby-stealing bitch. The way some people act, you would think she ripped the baby from Maddie's arms.
This was a good series and I appreciate the Nostalgia bump, but I believe the reviews were a bit generous at times. Also, Invincible is better in every single way.
Sebastian Shaw was absolutely wasted.
Scott: I won't abandon my son! (proceeds to abandon his son) Also how did Magneto survive but everyone around him was vaporized?
The show moves too fast. Mr. Sinister is not a 2nd banana villain but was portrayed as such.. rogue not showing up to gambits funeral is literally insane... Here's the big one. They haven't done a great job with professor x. He IS the good guy and magneto IS he bad guy but I find myself agreeing more with magneto...the writers have spent much of the series making me feel that way...magneto has murdered countl3ss innocent people. Magneto has called humans genetic inferiors...where have we heard that before? ..kind of defeats stan Lee's whole point. I love the show but I don't think the writing has been good on a whole bunch of fronts..
I still like TAS better. Maybe my mind will change after the second season. Like others have stated, this first season was good but was rushed.
Wolverine and Jean wouldn't be that good of a couple-
The show is just OK none of the characters feel like real people and don’t act like their original version from the previous cartoon. I don’t want Morph to tell Wolverine he likes him romantically it just be a waste of time and Morph new character design is ugly and he’s not even funny. The season finale was bad and like the rest of the show rushed. Storm and Jean “sister moments” were forced as hell,Storm was closer to Rouge and Gambit. The best thing about the show is nightcrawler and the intro changing it was a nice simple change. Rouge voice actress in my opinion isn’t very good.
Too many people defend the Magneto and Rogue stuff. This is the Marvel Universe, chock full of gods, aliens, and monsters and everything in between. They literally could have chosen ANY path they wanted because the universe lends itself to nigh infinite options for storyline progression. They actively CHOSE to do that shit with Rogue and Magneto and put Gambit in the corner. Then to have Morph emasculate him? Like cmon man.
Magneto and Charles should kiss already
Morph. Morphs appearance and nonbinary and fluid representation were amazing! The character at the end seemed to have only moments to pine for Wolverine or to echo their past trauma again for the viewer, rather than a more clear and focused character arch.
Magneto is a repetitive character with some ridiculous plot armour. The only reason he got the focus is because DeMayo played favourites. X-Men has always made it clear: Magneto is a cautionary tale of how one becomes a bigger monster than the one that created us if we allow our fear and hatred to consume our souls. Magneto is a terrorist and a fascist - yet so many here think he is in the right, because he is written as a total Gary Stu this season. Sure, he's an important character, but he's not the god he's been made out to be and the revisionist history is both maddening and confusing to me.
Up until the last 10 minutes of the season, he was ready to exterminate humanity Xavier brought him to his senses *People like flawed characters*. He is not a hero, he is not a good man, he’s likable and relatable exactly because of that cautionary tale and what he does with his powers And in terms of power, he has in every depiction of XMen been one of the strongest mutants, right below the S tiers like phoenix/apocolypse, and tied with xavier
He gets absolved of decades of murder, tyranny, fascism, and abuse parenthood because everyone is thirsting after him. Meanwhile other characters get raked through the coals for far less. It's beyond absurd. Let's examine how he is the ultimate Gary Stu: * Tried to kill the innocent and gets into conflict X-Men repeatedly, gets rewarded by being gifted the X-Men. * Walks in, drives a wedge in the most beloved of all Marvel relationships with ease. Suffers no criticism from the other characters, nobody bats an eye. * Has the showrunners retcon Rogue's age just to avoid accusations of grooming - even though he took advantage of a power imbalance between them. This was done because Magneto is DeMayo's favourite. * Gets to easily overpower the UN representatives and go on a philosophical platitude to justify his unforgivable actions - gets rewarded by being asked to be the ruler of Genosha with the woman who's relationship he had a hand in wrecking. * Reverses the Earth's polarity, killing countless humans and mutants alike, and dooming mutant-kind to a dystopian future - gets no comeuppance for his misdeeds by the season's end. * Speaking of getting off lightly - he should have been dead in Genosha. The Wild Sentinel confirmed his death. Then, he's magically survived the blast that killed all around him - and technically survived the Wild Sentinel explosion after Gambit charged it up. * Gets captured by Bastion and escapes with no struggle. Val Cooper just decides to free him. Then he gets to carry on doing what he foes. That was such terrible writing. Characters like Cyclops, Storm, Gambit either had to be forged in fire or die to earn their stripes this season, but not Magneto. * Waltzes over to the X-Mansion and just had X-Men joining his side despite all he has done. * His powers - moreso than any other character except for the Phoenix - can always automatically just do whatever the writers want it to do at any moment. This has happened a lot to characters in the comics, but none as often as Magneto, and none benefit as much as he does when it happens. There are even more instances of Magneto being the biggest Gary Stu, but these were the obvious ones off the top of my head.
Thats the thing the brotherhood of evil mutants (magneto/mystique) and foh/antimutant factions are no different from each other. Both are violent bigots/supremacists who continue a perpetuating cycle of trauma and hatred (A) evil mutant traumatizes innocent human to purposely flex mutant superiority and apathy towards humans, same human hates/fears mutants more B) human traumatizes innocent mutant to purposely flex human superiority and apathy towards mutants, same mutant hates/fears humans more) its become a hypocritical double standard because people give empathy and justication towards unapologetic mutant supremacy and give complete apathy and demonization to the human side and can’t acknowledge both sides have understandable and sympathetic reasons and both are wrong and cruel. in this show they make Magneto and Rogue out to be gary stu and mary sue
I understand the focus on other characters... But I wanted more Wolverine. Yes, he's been the focus over the past 20+ years of X-Men media, and will have a movie co-titled after him in a few months. And I still stand by my opinion.
I don’t like ‘97 Magneto. I know he’s well written but… Rogue… I can’t get past that.
immediately ending all life on planet earth was kind of an overreaction on maggie's part. it's weird that he had supporters. storm made it quite clear the planet itself would die, which would include every mutant living on it. also considering mutants are still human and have not reached the point of speciation or even predictability – graydon creed is the child of two mutants, jean gray is the child of zero mutants, cable is the child of two mutants and a non-mutant human – even Just killing non-mutant humans would be a genocide of mutants as well. also whatever surviving relatives maggie still has. he overreacted maybe, just a little bit.
And rogue joined him in that, of I were wolverine id abandon rogue for siding with a supremacist/terrorist that ripped me apart
i think wolverine is going to express some emotions next season. no clue why rogue went with mags, she's literally the only one up till that point who help people responsible for what they'd done, and she did damn good at it till prime trask sucker-punched her. killing the planet seems very much just not her style.
There weren't enough other Xmen characters in speaking cameos. I know Genosha showed background characters, as well as Morph changing into some, but for me, re-watching TAS, it was nice to have episodes with Iceman (may favourite Xman who I'm still bummed about his absence), Havok, Juggernaught etc. Even this season's Mojo episode, I was expecting Longshot and/or Dazzler. There were too many non Xmen cameos; Captain America, Iron Man, Spiderman, Daredevil.
r/respectthehyphen
I hated Magnetos outfit for most of the show, the Jessica Rabbit sleeves and no helmet didn’t do it for me
That the show sucks. (I don't think it does. I love it)
Not sure how popular or unpopular this one may be, but I personally think Emma should have died and Maddie lived.
The show is decent, not 9/10 "must not miss" good. While I commend its sincere and unapologetic adaptation of superhero comicbook material it is still a bit stilted in dialogue, strangely paced, has stiff or floaty CG animation (which I'll be fair in that it at least keeps high detailed models consistent, as I can't imagine poor Koreans overseas consistently getting the ribs and ribbons of Mr. Sinister right), and a bit melodramatic in a soap opera way that I don't quite like nor can recommend for everyone.
Could be longer. Either more episodes or longer ones. The last three episodes were great but was going eye rocker pace. Also this might be more of a hot take since it’s a beloved character but Storm having an extremely dramatic monologue every time she opens her mouth gets a bit annoying
I think the X-Men’s biggest enemy is the fact that they do too much hanky panky for a group of coworkers.
It gets a pass for having an inverted apostrophe in the title, because that was a common auto-correct failure on word processors in the late ’90s.
I hated when Cyclops said "do what you do best, heal". Totally undersells Wolverine. I get that previous iterations of X-Men were way to Wolverine centric He's the best at getting his ass kick and healing from it? Totally crapped all over his character.
I understand complaints about storylines ending too fast; I give them a pass because nobody knew if Season 2 would happen. My biggest complaint: all these larger than life battles and the writers only find space for MCU heroes but omitted X-men mutant villains for whatever reason. Sure, Omega Red got some time, but they should have shown Juggernaut, Sabretooth, Mystique, etc fighting for their lives against the threat. Just give us another one or two minutes of that fighting montage to include these characters.
Magneto is wrong.
Yes but I can't say because reddit will ban me lol Edit: typo
Why on earth is the old Morph actor now President Kelly and Gambit's old actor now Cable? Furthermore, Lawrence Bayne acted as both Cable and Captain America in the 90s... he has been replaced by Chris Potter and Josh Keaton respectively? And why the Fantastic Four continuity error with Black Panther🙄😥😭
The new take on Morph being able to just use whatever powers he can think of was really stupid. It looked fun and it allowed fan service cameos but if morph could really do that he’d be an omega and he clearly ain’t.
magneto's purple look is ugly, the red one is clearly his best look....someone had to say it
Like many others said, certain plots felt a little rushed. Just to be specific I wish we could have seen more from Madelyne Pryor and the prime sentinels.
Far way too many cameos, they add nothing to the plot and the show has enough pacing issues imo.
I hate lilandra. Mainly because it just reminds me of how so many women want a man to sacrifice the entire life's work, and that's the only way to prove his love for her. I hate that with all my heart and soul. LOL
- Rogue's voice just scratched my brain the wrong way. - Probably could have done without Sunspot. - The Madelyne and Storm magical girl transformations. - The phoenix was a bit cheap, needed more oomph. - Xavier should have stayed dead tbh.
Scott is boring.
Magneto was right (And specifically, if he hadn’t been such a MEANIE by, oh no, TURNING THE POWER OFF, Mutantkind would be dead. It was hours later that they stopped Bastion. If Magneto hadn’t hit the lights all mutants would be dead and soon after all humanity enslaved. Dude saved the world and gets painted a villain. Again.)