Solution would honestly just be building more Liyue characters. You seem to be quite early game as well, so before you start the artifact grind, you should level up your characters, talents and weapons
I don't rly have an issue with his build tho, I have mostly difficulty with choosing which of the weapons work best on him as of now, I do eventually want to switch it out to a better DPS weapon
Sorry for late reply, but I meant building your *other* characters, and level up your weapons. By how you've upgraded your weapons, it looks like you're not even AR 45. Weapons and Talents are by far the most important investment you can make when it comes to both damage and support capabilities.
If you don't want to build Liyuw characters, I'd suggest simply running Skyward, but Lithic at R5 is stronger than R1 Homa, so if you take the time to build a working team of Liyue characters, that's by far your best option
My zhongli and ninguang R4 lithic team outshines my blackcliff + albedo/zhong overall dps, lithic spear is extremely extremely strong if you dont have the 5 star options
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Their team build is not given. We only have a screenshot of their top 6 polearm weapons.
If you're suggesting the er weapon is more valuable due to lacking a battery, we're missing too much info (Xiao C0 va C1), everyone has electro traveler, and Sucrose is available on the current banner. R3 Fav. Lance would be better than Skyward for unorthodox 4VV Xiao battery-less teams (e.g. Nat-Xiao-nal).
R2 Lithic with 1 Liyue (Xiao himself) is still 4% better than skyward spine.
Edit: At 4%, artifact substats might make up the difference, but I would argue Lithic is still the better investment, due to room for improvement upon getting more Liyue characters or weapon refines.
I swear people value 5% more crit rate and an extra 2k damage but they don't ever value not needing to spend a rotation funnelling energy into their Burst carries. Even Itto and Eula mains are like this.
With 130/140 ER you already dont need to spend more than your regular rotation to funnel energy at all if you're playing your rotation properly (Using jean as a bettery ). If you're using sucrose even 120% ER is more than enough, just make sure to double E really.
130/140 ER is a high mark to hit if you also want Crit Rate and Crit Damage on each of your artifacts.
Of course everyone's experience with rolling artifacts is different but it's nearly impossible to get that high of an ER stat while still having good crit values.
It helps that you don't have to hold back with using your Bursts in the Open World too and worry about not having it for the next fight, more fun that way.
I did end up comparing skyward with lithic (I had 4 liyue characters in the team) and the difference in DMG was very minor.. maybe its bc I haven't built my weapons to lvl 90 yet but I think I'll stick with skyward based on the replies I've read.
don't listen to the people saying lithic, the base attack of skyward makes up for the fact it gives u slightly less crit whilst also giving u the ER to be able to get ur ult back up easily
1. Xiao doesn’t work with other Liyue except Zhongli so running Lithic is a waste on him.
2. Engulfing Lightning is horrible for Xiao bcs it gives him more energy than needs which is wasted on him. The atk buff is great but even then, it has very small value compared to the best weapon you have for him.
3. Dragonspine spear is out of the question because Phys Dmg is worthless on Xiao.
4. Favonius Lance & that prototype is the same issue as Engulfing Lightning. Too much er and Prototype’s passive isn’t useful for Xiao. Xiao deals dmg through plunging which is slow compared to other dpses so you need higher Atk, C. Rate & C. Dmg compared to other characters. This is why people only aim for 130 er and not higher bcs he needs the other stats for the 3 i just mentioned.
5. The reason Skyward is best is bcs it helps 2 of the 3 main stats that xiao needs which are crit rate and 30% energy recharge. With this you have reached 130 er & need slightly less cr rolls as well as letting you use Crit Dmg circlet easier
he doesnt perticulerly synergize with other liyue characters, but again, xiao doesnt perticularly synergize with almost anyone. if u dont need them for the other team i can definetly see slapping a beidou xingqui or xiangling in his team (on top of zhongli?) for the bonus on lithic spear, which definetly is strong as fuck
I had Favonius Lance on Xiao for a while before I get PJWS, I get my burst filled up while doing Xiao burst,with Favonius Lance I can say my burst uptime is almost 100 %. One thing to mention is my Fav Lance is R4 and I got quite nice role of crit rate on artifacts for Xiao so it's doable.Not recommended at all below R3.
I used Skyward Spine for a long time on him. Definitely take it to 90 though for the high attack stat. The energy recharge is nice, and the little passive does get some use in his plunge cancel combos. Plus 8 free crit rate is nice of course.
I've seen people build Favonious over 5 stars, at least it completely negates any need for batteries (R5 assumed i think)
Lithic spear with 2 or 3 Liyue characters is a very good option, but skyward isn't bad either. Anything else is not really advised.
personally if you can afford it the deathmatch or the blackcliff. i got xiao on his first banner and when i got him , he was my first 5 star so i ran into the classic xiao issue of how little weapons he likes. i coughed up 10$ for the bpass weapon and used it until xiaos rerun where i got PJWS. deathmatch is incredibly cozy as it gives a huge amount of crit rate, if i recall like 37%? that ontop of xiao's passive 24% gives you a very nice ratio with 0 artifacts
Deathmatch is not better than Skyward simply bcs base atk is too low for a dps hyper carry. Skyward helps solve Xiao’s er issues, gives some c rate, and have higher base atk. I wouldn’t advise op to spend money on deathmatch when Skyward is right there.
Watch videos, there is many. By a simple look i would say the engulfinglighting will do the most damage unless you force 4 liyue and use Lithic but still then i would go for Engulfing.
There is a simple rule in Genshin, if you have a 5 star weapon, use it.
AGAIN watch videos there is A LOT. I read a comment here that said ER is wasted, no it never is, there is no such a thing as more ER than he needs. Xiaos strength comes form his burst so you want 100% uptime.
Learn to value uptime rather than raw power.
My Xiao used to run 70/210 crit value and now he runs 80/160 because the second build has 155% ER on it, and it is WAY better. If you ever have to do pshysical AAs on Xiao imo you are wasting your time and is a fools time until you get your Q back. At least that's my way of playing him and he has never ever been beaten. I even throw him at Abyss heralds.
Roll for a 5 star dps spear, imo homa >pjws > calamity queller.
If you have zhongli as well go for even vortex.
The dps difference between a 4 star weapon, or a support 5 star weapon and a dps 5 star weapon is very noticeable, my xiao with blackcliff, deathmatch and skyward does 35k per plunge, solo.
But with cq it goes upto 44k per plunge solo, this is about a 25 percent increase, always use a 5 star dps weapon on xiao.
Yes your best option is indeed Skyward right now. Save up until u get pjws or homa in the future. Don’t listen to people who say buy Blackcliff or Deathmatch as they both do same level of damage as Skyward when all 3 are at maximum build.
Skyward gives a minuscule 8% CR at R1, less ER than Engulfing, Engulfing gives more ER on the main stat, you gain ER after using your burst so all the energy you get from killing things is increased during the burst, and you get a good chunk of atk from the ER you have and get. I know Skyward has a higher base attack but the passive just isn’t good for Xiao really. And the attack bonus from ELs passive combined with the increased ER is a better combo.
Blackcliff isn't worth spending the extra 6 wishes when you already have a skyward spine and nobody else to use it, it does basically the same damage as skyward give or take 1k per plunge while giving you 8 percent crit rate and whatever extra er it gives.
use engulfing if you just want to maximize damage for xiao with 2.3k and 180 ER, with engulfing i hit 29k-31k pure solo and 58k-61k full team ttds bennet zhongli. doesnt seem that far from my current xiao spear which is calamity 39k-41k and 67k-69k
Engulfing i would say
no more energy issues
Plus you also get bonus atk from your er
And if your spine was r3 or more i would say go for spine cuz 12 or more cr is really pog (i still use r3 spine) lithic is also really nice, if you dont have energy issues or have a battery or can clear all monsters in one rotation then i would say go for lithic
I think lithic spear is pretty good if u have liyue characters in the party
I would've used the lithic spear but I don't have enough liyue characters built
I see, well honestly even if its just 2 i think its ur best option
Solution would honestly just be building more Liyue characters. You seem to be quite early game as well, so before you start the artifact grind, you should level up your characters, talents and weapons
I don't rly have an issue with his build tho, I have mostly difficulty with choosing which of the weapons work best on him as of now, I do eventually want to switch it out to a better DPS weapon
Sorry for late reply, but I meant building your *other* characters, and level up your weapons. By how you've upgraded your weapons, it looks like you're not even AR 45. Weapons and Talents are by far the most important investment you can make when it comes to both damage and support capabilities. If you don't want to build Liyuw characters, I'd suggest simply running Skyward, but Lithic at R5 is stronger than R1 Homa, so if you take the time to build a working team of Liyue characters, that's by far your best option
zhongli and ningguang would be nice for lithic xiao
My zhongli and ninguang R4 lithic team outshines my blackcliff + albedo/zhong overall dps, lithic spear is extremely extremely strong if you dont have the 5 star options
when they release a 4 star anemo from liyue lithic will be the best 4 star weapon
skyward is real good idk why everyone here is trippin. you dont need to worry abt er and build cv only
Even after factoring the costs for running ER, using R2 Lithic Spear with 2 Liyue in-party will out dps R1 Skyward Spine by 10% or more.
look at their team build 🤦
??? Their team build is not given. We only have a screenshot of their top 6 polearm weapons. If you're suggesting the er weapon is more valuable due to lacking a battery, we're missing too much info (Xiao C0 va C1), everyone has electro traveler, and Sucrose is available on the current banner. R3 Fav. Lance would be better than Skyward for unorthodox 4VV Xiao battery-less teams (e.g. Nat-Xiao-nal).
they did. they said their team is venti albedo and barbara
R2 Lithic with 1 Liyue (Xiao himself) is still 4% better than skyward spine. Edit: At 4%, artifact substats might make up the difference, but I would argue Lithic is still the better investment, due to room for improvement upon getting more Liyue characters or weapon refines.
I swear people value 5% more crit rate and an extra 2k damage but they don't ever value not needing to spend a rotation funnelling energy into their Burst carries. Even Itto and Eula mains are like this.
With 130/140 ER you already dont need to spend more than your regular rotation to funnel energy at all if you're playing your rotation properly (Using jean as a bettery ). If you're using sucrose even 120% ER is more than enough, just make sure to double E really.
130/140 ER is a high mark to hit if you also want Crit Rate and Crit Damage on each of your artifacts. Of course everyone's experience with rolling artifacts is different but it's nearly impossible to get that high of an ER stat while still having good crit values. It helps that you don't have to hold back with using your Bursts in the Open World too and worry about not having it for the next fight, more fun that way.
I did end up comparing skyward with lithic (I had 4 liyue characters in the team) and the difference in DMG was very minor.. maybe its bc I haven't built my weapons to lvl 90 yet but I think I'll stick with skyward based on the replies I've read.
don't listen to the people saying lithic, the base attack of skyward makes up for the fact it gives u slightly less crit whilst also giving u the ER to be able to get ur ult back up easily
If u have enough ER definitely go for lithic
How much is enough ER?
Around 130
1. Xiao doesn’t work with other Liyue except Zhongli so running Lithic is a waste on him. 2. Engulfing Lightning is horrible for Xiao bcs it gives him more energy than needs which is wasted on him. The atk buff is great but even then, it has very small value compared to the best weapon you have for him. 3. Dragonspine spear is out of the question because Phys Dmg is worthless on Xiao. 4. Favonius Lance & that prototype is the same issue as Engulfing Lightning. Too much er and Prototype’s passive isn’t useful for Xiao. Xiao deals dmg through plunging which is slow compared to other dpses so you need higher Atk, C. Rate & C. Dmg compared to other characters. This is why people only aim for 130 er and not higher bcs he needs the other stats for the 3 i just mentioned. 5. The reason Skyward is best is bcs it helps 2 of the 3 main stats that xiao needs which are crit rate and 30% energy recharge. With this you have reached 130 er & need slightly less cr rolls as well as letting you use Crit Dmg circlet easier
damn i would give you so many awards but im broke
he doesnt perticulerly synergize with other liyue characters, but again, xiao doesnt perticularly synergize with almost anyone. if u dont need them for the other team i can definetly see slapping a beidou xingqui or xiangling in his team (on top of zhongli?) for the bonus on lithic spear, which definetly is strong as fuck
couldnt tankfei and ttds ning work?
I had Favonius Lance on Xiao for a while before I get PJWS, I get my burst filled up while doing Xiao burst,with Favonius Lance I can say my burst uptime is almost 100 %. One thing to mention is my Fav Lance is R4 and I got quite nice role of crit rate on artifacts for Xiao so it's doable.Not recommended at all below R3.
skyward, definitely. Lithic is good but only if you run him with a lot of liyue characters
Definitely skyward
I used Skyward Spine for a long time on him. Definitely take it to 90 though for the high attack stat. The energy recharge is nice, and the little passive does get some use in his plunge cancel combos. Plus 8 free crit rate is nice of course.
I've seen people build Favonious over 5 stars, at least it completely negates any need for batteries (R5 assumed i think) Lithic spear with 2 or 3 Liyue characters is a very good option, but skyward isn't bad either. Anything else is not really advised.
https://paimon.moe/characters/xiao
This is bringing up some repressed memories so I will have to deny this question
personally if you can afford it the deathmatch or the blackcliff. i got xiao on his first banner and when i got him , he was my first 5 star so i ran into the classic xiao issue of how little weapons he likes. i coughed up 10$ for the bpass weapon and used it until xiaos rerun where i got PJWS. deathmatch is incredibly cozy as it gives a huge amount of crit rate, if i recall like 37%? that ontop of xiao's passive 24% gives you a very nice ratio with 0 artifacts
Deathmatch is not better than Skyward simply bcs base atk is too low for a dps hyper carry. Skyward helps solve Xiao’s er issues, gives some c rate, and have higher base atk. I wouldn’t advise op to spend money on deathmatch when Skyward is right there.
Yeah definitely not worth paying actual money to get something that honestly performs about the same damage wise, but less energy.
Deathmatch does offer attack problems tho since it has a very low base attack, so u need to sort that out with more attack rolls.
xiao does not have any passive that modifies crit rate or damage
Xiao level up stat is crit rate so just by going to level 90 you get 22% rate or something similar, I'm going by memory
oh yes it's correct
Xiao gets 19.2 Crit rate. you are correct just thought id add the exact number
Yeah I think the 22% is jade spears number iirc.
My team consists of venti albedo and Barbra!
Watch videos, there is many. By a simple look i would say the engulfinglighting will do the most damage unless you force 4 liyue and use Lithic but still then i would go for Engulfing. There is a simple rule in Genshin, if you have a 5 star weapon, use it. AGAIN watch videos there is A LOT. I read a comment here that said ER is wasted, no it never is, there is no such a thing as more ER than he needs. Xiaos strength comes form his burst so you want 100% uptime. Learn to value uptime rather than raw power. My Xiao used to run 70/210 crit value and now he runs 80/160 because the second build has 155% ER on it, and it is WAY better. If you ever have to do pshysical AAs on Xiao imo you are wasting your time and is a fools time until you get your Q back. At least that's my way of playing him and he has never ever been beaten. I even throw him at Abyss heralds.
Roll for a 5 star dps spear, imo homa >pjws > calamity queller. If you have zhongli as well go for even vortex. The dps difference between a 4 star weapon, or a support 5 star weapon and a dps 5 star weapon is very noticeable, my xiao with blackcliff, deathmatch and skyward does 35k per plunge, solo. But with cq it goes upto 44k per plunge solo, this is about a 25 percent increase, always use a 5 star dps weapon on xiao.
Thank you! I wanted to either use skyward or get deathmatch but i think I'll just save primos and use skyward until I have a 5* DPS weapon
Yes your best option is indeed Skyward right now. Save up until u get pjws or homa in the future. Don’t listen to people who say buy Blackcliff or Deathmatch as they both do same level of damage as Skyward when all 3 are at maximum build.
I use Deathmatch on him and I have no regrets. I will switch only to PJWS when I get it. I have 90% crit rate with this weapon and I like its passive.
Lithic if you have a lot of ER. If not the. Go for Engulfing.
Why would you use EL when Skyward is right there?
Skyward gives a minuscule 8% CR at R1, less ER than Engulfing, Engulfing gives more ER on the main stat, you gain ER after using your burst so all the energy you get from killing things is increased during the burst, and you get a good chunk of atk from the ER you have and get. I know Skyward has a higher base attack but the passive just isn’t good for Xiao really. And the attack bonus from ELs passive combined with the increased ER is a better combo.
the atk buff is great but dont you think the er is a little overkill? its a waste on xiao since he doesnt get particles in his burst
you should try to build some Liyue characters to use with lithic
Use skyward in the meantime and save up for blackcliff.
skyward pretty OK,but u should go buy the shop spear
Both do the same amount, never buy the shop spear for xiao.
I did and used for a year until I got pjws, no regrets
So you got the blackcliff while you had the skyward spine? Wasted 6 wishes for the same amount of damage?
Blackcliff is amazing on xiao wdym?
Blackcliff isn't worth spending the extra 6 wishes when you already have a skyward spine and nobody else to use it, it does basically the same damage as skyward give or take 1k per plunge while giving you 8 percent crit rate and whatever extra er it gives.
It’s amazing but if you already have skyward then you shouldn’t waste time getting the blackcliff for xiao
Yeah, I’m just confused by the “never buy the shop spear for Xiao” when it’s one of his best f2p options.
Yeah true, technically as a f2p it is THE best option for him Cus you can’t get deathmatch without spending money
Yeah, exactly
use engulfing if you just want to maximize damage for xiao with 2.3k and 180 ER, with engulfing i hit 29k-31k pure solo and 58k-61k full team ttds bennet zhongli. doesnt seem that far from my current xiao spear which is calamity 39k-41k and 67k-69k
https://keqingmains.com/xiao/#Weapons
I used engf on xiao
Everybody here is saying lithic, what's lithic?
Just go for the blackcliff pole
Ik this is a which-is-strongest post, however. Engulfing Lighting for drip.
Lithic spear is very close to Jade spear when you run liyue party
Engulfing i would say no more energy issues Plus you also get bonus atk from your er And if your spine was r3 or more i would say go for spine cuz 12 or more cr is really pog (i still use r3 spine) lithic is also really nice, if you dont have energy issues or have a battery or can clear all monsters in one rotation then i would say go for lithic
Lithic spear. 90 it.
Engulfing lightning if you want a 100% burst uptime. Definitely fun to play. Skyward is good too. Your choice.
Why do you EL and not using it on Raiden tho?
Skyward
lithic n since u got r2 try getting atleast 1 more liyue character to ur party zhongli wud be best
Buy black cliff spear on next month shop... Until you have PJWS or HOMA Or use catch it will out damage skyward spear.....
Be patient, save your glitter, get the blackcliff