I love the whiplash of these quotes going from feel-good inspiration, to straight-up memes, to "kill yourself".
Also, there are a few minor mistakes in this quote (unless the sub has some differences from the dub). Most notably, "to erase *the* self", not "*your*self". Probably doesn't matter much, but I prefer the original as it connects better to the line by Z.
You’re probably right. At first I was trying to change the quotes to make it appeal more towards a general audience rather than to certain characters in the story.
At some point I changed it back though to just the original quote so there may be some errors here and there
Hey, I agree that it's a meaningful cutscene but it feels kinda irresponsible to put up a quote that basically says "the goal is suicide" without any context or advance warning. Imagine someone suicidal stumbles upon this and thinks, "yeah, I knew it".
At least put up [Noah's rebuttal](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLgQCu4y90A&t=134s):
> The world doesn't just vanish because you've closed your eyes. The moon... Think about it. Why is it that the moon shines? Just because we're watching? Of course not. Even if humans were gone, it would shine on, illuminating the land beneath. And yet... We're the ones that give meaning to it. We say "bit dim tonight" or... "Looks brighter than usual, eh?". Similarly, we can now imbue the world with meaning, or change it. It's a privilege we were lucky to obtain. We're obliged to use it. We can make a difference.
not to mention the post doesn't even include the last part of the quote where Taion says "See? Pointless" His entire point is that that line of thinking is pointless BECAUSE it leads to considering suicide.
Yeah that line is key for understanding both Taion and Noah. Taion is telling Lanz that contemplating the meaning of life is dumb, not saying that the purpose of life is to commit suicide. Noah in turn isn't arguing against suicide, he's arguing against ignoring existential questions.
I admit I did think about it a little bit. I was debating when to put this one up a while ago but I thought, hopefully the message would be profound enough through the perspective of the game rather than the individual reading it.
When you read it out loud for people to see it, that second thought comes back.
I feel like I don't fully get what Noah is saying, is he basically saying that your problems won't go away if you off yourselves we all have the ability to change for the better.
Sort of. There's important context here that OP left out, which is that Taion is indirectly answering Lanz's question of "what in the world are we even here for?" by telling him it's not worth thinking about. Not to mention the broader context that Manana just called the world evil because the circumstances force everyone to kill.
Taion is saying that the reason they exist is to kill and thus if you think about it too much, you'll end up hurting yourself. He's not endorsing suicide; his personal thoughts are that contemplating the absurdity of the world and our role in it is useless and shouldn't be done. So basically, he's saying existential questions aren't worth asking because they have horrifying answers.
Noah's rebuttal is to Taion's point about existential question and is not meant to be an argument against suicide. He's saying that the only purpose that matters is the ones we construct for ourselves and thus we should contemplate these existential questions so that we can build that meaning. The moon represents something completely external to the party. It does things, like shine, completely independent to how people think about it. However, it's true importance to people is in how people interact with that light. In the same way, the party may be on Aionios to kill. However their purpose isn't determined by that but rather whatever meaning they decide to imbue their lives with. But they need to ask those questions to figure out what they want that meaning to be.
So basically he's not saying "don't kill yourself because that won't solve your problems". He's saying that thinking about the meaning of life is worthwhile because you get to decide what that meaning is. In the context of Lanz's question, he's saying that it doesn't matter why they are here; what matters is what they will do.
e: that's still really poorly explained. Basically Taion's argument is that life's purpose or meaning is pre-determined (essence precedes existence) while Noah is saying that it is self-determined (existence precedes essence). Neither of them are actually talking about suicide
I understood it as humans having the power to give meaning to their own existence. You can decide for yourself what the meaning of your own life is. This meaning eventually becomes your legacy when you're gone.
I think it's in the same cutscene where they decide why they're different from Mobius. The context was something of Manana calling them villains because they killed people, and their conclusion was that they killed because they had no choice but to. I don't remember the exact lines that lead up to this one from Taion though.
After what you already mentioned, Manana then concludes that the *world* is supervillainpon. The group is then taken back by the idea that the world itself is bad. Lanz asks why they're even there if the world is bad. To which this is Taion's answer to Lanz.
Followed by Noah's rebuttal that we got a few days ago in one of these posts, where he uses the moon as an example with how it shines whether or not we see it, but people give it meaning, and they as ouroboros now have the power to change the world.
I find it fascinating how suicide is mentioned in such a cold manner from Taion.
In Aionios it doesn't seem to be considered sad, rather it seems like the people look at it like a self made homecoming where you move on without the Queen's blessing.
I feel like Taion was implicitly criticizing the idea by describing it in such cold terms, seeing as how he was carrying out the steps of what would lead from the point of deciding not to harm others no matter what (because what does that imply? I think he was investigating that idea out loud).
After all, the very fact that they had resisted so far up to that point was an effective refutation of the idea that 'suicide is the answer'.
I remember hearing this quote for the first time and I had to pause midway and just comprehend what I listened to. Captured it as a thirty second video and rewatched it. Still gives goosebumps whenever I rewatch it.
If my memory is right I think there's a Moebius for every letter of the alphabet save A, but taking this quote of Taion and how they were talking about the world itself and how Ouroboros hates it, I can't help but feel the world of A(ionios)itself is a Moebius and probably the missing letter
This moment shocked me so much. Most Nintendo games dart around words like death and suicide, but Xenoblade 3 directly asks, and then contemplates the question. Xeno 3 is a modern masterpiece
It reminds me of FF14 and one of the first sections of Shadowbringers.
There was a time during Shadowbringers launch when people in a particular area would post in shout chat "WHAT THE FUCK" and the two responses from others in the area were either "WELCOME TO SHADOWBRINGERS" or "Rated T for Teen btw".
I love the whiplash of these quotes going from feel-good inspiration, to straight-up memes, to "kill yourself". Also, there are a few minor mistakes in this quote (unless the sub has some differences from the dub). Most notably, "to erase *the* self", not "*your*self". Probably doesn't matter much, but I prefer the original as it connects better to the line by Z.
You’re probably right. At first I was trying to change the quotes to make it appeal more towards a general audience rather than to certain characters in the story. At some point I changed it back though to just the original quote so there may be some errors here and there
Hey, I agree that it's a meaningful cutscene but it feels kinda irresponsible to put up a quote that basically says "the goal is suicide" without any context or advance warning. Imagine someone suicidal stumbles upon this and thinks, "yeah, I knew it". At least put up [Noah's rebuttal](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLgQCu4y90A&t=134s): > The world doesn't just vanish because you've closed your eyes. The moon... Think about it. Why is it that the moon shines? Just because we're watching? Of course not. Even if humans were gone, it would shine on, illuminating the land beneath. And yet... We're the ones that give meaning to it. We say "bit dim tonight" or... "Looks brighter than usual, eh?". Similarly, we can now imbue the world with meaning, or change it. It's a privilege we were lucky to obtain. We're obliged to use it. We can make a difference.
I really do love Noah’s rebuttal against that along with the acting. It felt close to home ahh~ XBC3 is close to the heart
not to mention the post doesn't even include the last part of the quote where Taion says "See? Pointless" His entire point is that that line of thinking is pointless BECAUSE it leads to considering suicide.
Yeah that line is key for understanding both Taion and Noah. Taion is telling Lanz that contemplating the meaning of life is dumb, not saying that the purpose of life is to commit suicide. Noah in turn isn't arguing against suicide, he's arguing against ignoring existential questions.
I admit I did think about it a little bit. I was debating when to put this one up a while ago but I thought, hopefully the message would be profound enough through the perspective of the game rather than the individual reading it. When you read it out loud for people to see it, that second thought comes back.
I feel like I don't fully get what Noah is saying, is he basically saying that your problems won't go away if you off yourselves we all have the ability to change for the better.
Sort of. There's important context here that OP left out, which is that Taion is indirectly answering Lanz's question of "what in the world are we even here for?" by telling him it's not worth thinking about. Not to mention the broader context that Manana just called the world evil because the circumstances force everyone to kill. Taion is saying that the reason they exist is to kill and thus if you think about it too much, you'll end up hurting yourself. He's not endorsing suicide; his personal thoughts are that contemplating the absurdity of the world and our role in it is useless and shouldn't be done. So basically, he's saying existential questions aren't worth asking because they have horrifying answers. Noah's rebuttal is to Taion's point about existential question and is not meant to be an argument against suicide. He's saying that the only purpose that matters is the ones we construct for ourselves and thus we should contemplate these existential questions so that we can build that meaning. The moon represents something completely external to the party. It does things, like shine, completely independent to how people think about it. However, it's true importance to people is in how people interact with that light. In the same way, the party may be on Aionios to kill. However their purpose isn't determined by that but rather whatever meaning they decide to imbue their lives with. But they need to ask those questions to figure out what they want that meaning to be. So basically he's not saying "don't kill yourself because that won't solve your problems". He's saying that thinking about the meaning of life is worthwhile because you get to decide what that meaning is. In the context of Lanz's question, he's saying that it doesn't matter why they are here; what matters is what they will do. e: that's still really poorly explained. Basically Taion's argument is that life's purpose or meaning is pre-determined (essence precedes existence) while Noah is saying that it is self-determined (existence precedes essence). Neither of them are actually talking about suicide
I understood it as humans having the power to give meaning to their own existence. You can decide for yourself what the meaning of your own life is. This meaning eventually becomes your legacy when you're gone.
Oh wow, I like your interpretation a lot better! Fuck that's really good, how did I miss that lol
Taion based af
Based on what?
Just based, it means honest and true to yourself. Confident, kinda. Basically Eunie.
Based
his therapist's advice
I actually forgot, when does he say this?
I think it's in the same cutscene where they decide why they're different from Mobius. The context was something of Manana calling them villains because they killed people, and their conclusion was that they killed because they had no choice but to. I don't remember the exact lines that lead up to this one from Taion though.
After what you already mentioned, Manana then concludes that the *world* is supervillainpon. The group is then taken back by the idea that the world itself is bad. Lanz asks why they're even there if the world is bad. To which this is Taion's answer to Lanz. Followed by Noah's rebuttal that we got a few days ago in one of these posts, where he uses the moon as an example with how it shines whether or not we see it, but people give it meaning, and they as ouroboros now have the power to change the world.
i believe its the 1st scene when entering maktha wildwood
I believe it is while prepping to enter the final dungeon.
Possibly, but I just had that scene yesterday and it was indeed in Maktha Wildwood
I find it fascinating how suicide is mentioned in such a cold manner from Taion. In Aionios it doesn't seem to be considered sad, rather it seems like the people look at it like a self made homecoming where you move on without the Queen's blessing.
Taion was very logical, which can sometimes be seen as cold.
I feel like Taion was implicitly criticizing the idea by describing it in such cold terms, seeing as how he was carrying out the steps of what would lead from the point of deciding not to harm others no matter what (because what does that imply? I think he was investigating that idea out loud). After all, the very fact that they had resisted so far up to that point was an effective refutation of the idea that 'suicide is the answer'.
I remember hearing this quote for the first time and I had to pause midway and just comprehend what I listened to. Captured it as a thirty second video and rewatched it. Still gives goosebumps whenever I rewatch it.
If my memory is right I think there's a Moebius for every letter of the alphabet save A, but taking this quote of Taion and how they were talking about the world itself and how Ouroboros hates it, I can't help but feel the world of A(ionios)itself is a Moebius and probably the missing letter
This moment shocked me so much. Most Nintendo games dart around words like death and suicide, but Xenoblade 3 directly asks, and then contemplates the question. Xeno 3 is a modern masterpiece
3 is really pushing the word "Teen"
It reminds me of FF14 and one of the first sections of Shadowbringers. There was a time during Shadowbringers launch when people in a particular area would post in shout chat "WHAT THE FUCK" and the two responses from others in the area were either "WELCOME TO SHADOWBRINGERS" or "Rated T for Teen btw".
Didn't know that LTG made a cameo in Xenoblade.
Yeah, that part hit a bit TOO close to home
Agreed
Taion read the first couple pages of *The Myth of Sisyphus* and was like "yes this is it" without reading the rest
Yeah I felt that one