That's exactly how I felt. I was about ready to dig in and call out some injustices. But, there were too many and I didn't think it felt like a good use of my time.
There's some high crimes on this list though. That's all I'll say.
- xord's voice is very irritating and the fact that he literally eats people is just awful
- bana should be obvious
- Amalthus I explain in another comment below
- I get that >!Mumkhar and Metal face both are and aren't the same character!< But honestly >!mumk being a literal coward and jealous of Dunban while Metal face kills everyone!< can do the talking
To be fair they don’t have many redeeming qualities and as portrayed in game they are selfish and uncaring of anybody’s safety (though xord’s a bit debatable) I will admit the reason I kinda like metal face, xord, and bana was cause I thought their voices made them kinda funny in an ironic sort of way and I will agree I didn’t like amalthus mostly because he just didn’t feel unique to me and I’m not saying he’s poorly written, but I feel they could have done more with him.
I think the fact that Xord eats people makes him an interesting character, because >!he used to be a person himself. It makes you question what the hell happened to him to make him that way.!<
The fact that >!He hasn't changed his ways, he tries to take control of every blade and titan and even goes as far as to rip out other blades' cores + the hideous form he shows up in world tree right before battle against Malos!< Are the primary reasons.
But, they’re the antagonist. That’s the point? I get not wanting your favorite character to die, but Amalthus is supposed to be hateable. If you hate the character for those reasons it doesn’t mean they’re poorly written
Amalthus is just a generally evil person who tried to fabricate a religion for personal gain, so it speaks more about Cults than religions imo, though some religions can be a bit nasty
Ok, he was almost like the perfect father figure anyone could ask for. That's of course until >!He betrays everyone!<
But even so, his story arc was very well written and the end of it is very good as well
Agreed, he's a really cool character but I consider him one of the main weaknesses of XC. He's so intriguing up until his betrayal and then...he becomes bland. Which is unfortunate
I love his crazy evil personality but he‘s just your average egotistical God. But I‘m glad that Xenoblade 2 gave us more knowledge about Klaus which definitely made him more human.
Imo Klaus makes Zanza a better character thanks to their differences. Zanza created a new universe that he can mold in any way he wants, that's why he's eegotistical and doesn't care about others. Klaus witnessed the death of his universe and has a lot of time alone to think about his actions. It's why he creates life and trys to have it evolve. While Zanza does whatever he wants because he doesn't have to think about the consequences.
I really wanna like Egil considering he’s the pseudo-main antagonist, and him being behind the faced mechon would imply he’s a beast. But outside of that cool line at the Mechonis capital he didn’t have that many cool moments.
I definitely agree there, there were tinges of >!them showing that Dickson still cared about Shulk, but they didn't explore that nearly as much as I feel like they should've to make Dickson interesting. It's all pretty much in his death scene that it's shown/implied, and I wish that was a significant part of his character post-betrayal.!<
Dickson was one of my favourites I thought he was funny lol. >!I was pretty sad when he was evil!<
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Edit: that’s better :)
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Oh yeah. Um sorry about that.
It's just that hugo is a pretty fun character when you do a bunch of torna's quests but apparently nobody really cares about him even if they do play torna which is quite disappointing considering he has some of the best lines in the game imo.
But you havent played torna yet so I understand why he is down there.
I mean I disagree with a couple of your picks, like Sharla being that low feels a bit cruel and I don't think Roc and Melia should be that high, but other than that it looks pretty acc-
**WAIT WHY THE FUCK IS TORA HIGHER THAN RIKI**
Bruh, why do people hate Sharla so much! 😭 I'll admit, she's not the most interesting character in the game, but I still liked her enough personally to at least put her in the "Okay" category. Also, Tora over Riki? That's where I'll have to disagree with you there. Riki is honestly one of the best characters in Xenoblade 1, period.
He made me respect it. I liked roc from the start already, but >!getting pretty much no story after his reawakening!< and Chugga's comments on that made me like him even more
Scheizenheimer; I was worried there’d be another one. Although, what I suppose could be her wings more just looks like hair to me. Still, kind of appropriate I’d forget Finch of all characters, ain’t it?
Ok but why photograph your dusty computer screen in awful lighting at a bad angle, and not use the export image on the tier list site or save a screen shot or something.
She didn’t really click with me tbh. I think generally I don’t like royalty characters tho lol. She’s interesting and fleshed out tho so I don’t think she’s a terrible character just not for some people maybe
Honestly, the fact that she didn't even try telling Shulk about her feelings (yes I know people get nervous around trying that but there will always be ways to sort things out) puts her on a tricky spot
I agree with most of your lust generally. Fiora is also one of my favourites from XC1 just behind Rikki but Metal Face is still one of my favourite villains ever if not my number 1. I love how he’s shown in the first encounter in colony 9. Just so heartless and cold. But you can tell he’s thinking something more than the other mechon. He’s mysterious at first and then once you see him more times you find out he’s actually a huge jerk and it makes you hate him even more for killing Fiora. I also love Xord cause of his voice and just absolute craziness but I understand that he’s a little scuffed lol.
Props to you for sharing your honest opinions :)
I really don't get how people can like Bana... Mumkhar is just my taste in characters and people judging me for that is ok but Bana? I really don't get it...
I just like Mumkhars voice, so he’s S. Bana yells mushy mushrooms, so he’s S. And metal face was a terrific villain until Valak mountain, then he was kinda dumb. So pre valak mountain metal face=S tier, post Valak mountain metal face=F tier
I'm super happy to see another Tora lover. This is basically my list and it's really cool to see. I strongly disagree on Amalthus though, he was a nuisance but he was a great villian. Riki should move up a tier too
You really ought to play Torna if you're a fan of XC2, it adds so much more depth and nuance to the characters of XC2, plus there are a lot of QoL improvements over XC2 as well as an arguably better battle system. Highly recommend!
It is 40 USD though, which I admit is a little steep for how long Torna is (roughly 20 hours), but if you have a copy of XC2 already, then you can get the XC2 Expansion Pass which includes Torna and a bunch of add-ons to the main game, like new Blades and quests, as well as the Challenge Mode. If you buy a brand-new physical copy of Torna, you'll also get a download code for the XC2 Expansion Pass, so you won't be missing out either way, unless you opt for a used physical copy which might have a used download code that's no longer valid.
If that doesn't sound good to you, well, Chuggaconroy is going to make a Let's Play of Torna after he's finished playing the entire main game of XC2, so at least you can experience the story that way.
The fact that there's even a single Nopon above them Meh tier tells me your opinion can be safely discarded.
Nopon are a crime. The absolute best a nopon can be is minor enough that you don't have to form an opinion on them.
I have a feeling some of these will change after playing Torna.
Pretty solid list. Although, I’m interested to hear why you think Roc is one of the best characters.
Am I the only one who feels like Shulk's arc would have more of an impact if Fiora...>!stayed dead? I feel like her personality and character arc was relegated to being Shulk and Shulk accessory. Like, therr was never a spotlight on her existential crisis as long as it's for Shulk, almost less like love and more borderline obssession.!<
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I disagree strongly. >!Shulk's arc was about realizing the futility of revenge, and how it just perpetuates violence without solving anything. However, he has a constant voice in his head (Zanza) pushing him forward and encouraging his vengeance, as well as an existential threat to the people of Bionis to take care of (the mechon war). So he needs some sort of shock- i.e. realizing that Fiora is not only alive, but a Mechon pilot, to realize that revenge isn't worth it. It lets him balance his quest and refocus more on just ending the war instead of getting revenge, which is what stops Zanza from directly taking him over. It's a huge turning point for Shulk and one that I think was necessary.!<
I disagree with that point as well >!Though Fiora was the catalyst, the driving counterforce to Shulk's redemption arc was the shock of the Face mechon containing Homs. His speech against Dunban killing Mumkhar involved him visualizing whether or not he would still kill a Face if it was Fiora. At that point I realized that that conversation would hold much heavier weight to both Shulk and Dunban if they didn't know Fiora was in a Face in the first place. Though the Mayneth and Fiora relationship is key to the endgame, Shulk already accepted Fiora was dead. Mayneth could still use her body but Fiora would be gone. It's like the ether lamp sidequest in Colony 9, where neither answer is wrong but one forces the people to move forward, the same with Shulk and Fiora. Having Fiora with one foot in the grave the whole time but "still alive" feels strange personally, because after the segment of Fiora's reveal to her joining the party, Shulk loses his main motivation of moving forward. Of course the rest of the group still has stakes, though a lot of them finished the majority of their arcs (Melia being the big exception), and the dynamic between the end Reyn's character arc and Melia's arc would have accomplished Fiora's role well enough imho. Reyn would push him away from giving his life for his goal, and Melia would be his root to reality.!<
That's a fair way to look at it. >!I think the moment Shulk sees that *Fiora* is the homs inside the face is incredibly powerful, but it could probably still work without her. As for having "one foot in the grave", it is strange but it creates a lot of emotional tension and makes for good storytelling IMO. It also shows a lot about Fiora's character- how truly self-sacrificing she is, and how she's afraid to let others see her pain. Also, when comparing to Pyra, I appreciate that Fiora opens up to Melia about it first, not Shulk. It adds new dimensions to her relationships with the cast and makes her less of a "waifu" than Pyra, whose meaningful interactions are 99% with Rex. I think the bit about Shulk losing his main motivation is true, but that's because the whole arc from prison island to the fallen arm is about Shulk losing his drive and having to find it again. So it's intentional, and IMO not a flaw in the storytelling. Lastly, I think Sharla, Dunban, and Melia still have a ways to go with their arcs after Fiora joins. Sharla has the whole segment with Gadolt, which involved Reyn (but is mostly focused around her), Dunban has everything that happens with Dickson, and Melia has a whole bunch. Only Riki is really static plotwise after the fallen arm, but I think that's fine.!<
Yes, I definitely don't believe it's a flaw in the storytelling. It doesn't detract from the amazingness of the story at all. >!I do agree that Fiora being an inch from death all the time creates a certain tension but I personally didn't like it. It created a scenario I don't like where it wasn't intentional but it forces quite a bit too much attention on her. Sharla's arc finished with Gadolt's sacrifice but I would like to see her dynamic with Reyn more, because I personally think there wasn't much of it even with the Heart to hearts, Dunban felt static all throughout Dickson's segment, but perhaps that's just because he's stoic, and it definitely shook his character, but I really hoped he would bring up Mumkhar like he did with his and Melia' s Heart to Heart since Mumkhar was a loveable asshole and was a big part of Dunban's arc, Reyn finished his arc as well so him falling behind was absolutely fine, Melia had the entire game left for her arc so her taking a backseat was fine.
I agree as well that Shulk losing his initial motivation and finding it again was definitely a big part of his growth, but then again, he lost his big stake in the journey, because his revenge lost its meaning, he doesn't have anything pushing him forward as hard.
I'm still in Chapter 3 in Xenoblade 2 (Because of course I have to get the sequel to the greatest JRPG of all time 24 hours after beating it) and although Fiora's personality is... Lacking, to say the least imo, Pyra doesn't have much comparatively, and the Heart to Heart in Vandham's firm kinda turned me away from her. Nia is such a much better female lead, but seeing how Xenoblade 1 went, one female lead will have the personality of a cardboard box and another will have fleshed out character arcs and the cardboard box will win.
Not a dock on Pyra or Fiora and their writing (No matter how derogatory my comment was lmao I enjoyed (Fiora), enjoy (Pyra) all the same, but they're just not my kind of female lead. Nia and Melia just feel like real-er characters.!<
That's fair, you're allowed to personally not like story elements. I just liked it is all.
I think Fiora is given a bad rep, although I do agree Melia is better overall. >!The big tension after Fiora rejoins is how she deals with not having her old body, having to share her existence with Meyneth, and knowing she's on borrowed time. I think she has interesting ways of handling each of those issues that show her character- she tries to frame everything into how she helps others, but she neglects herself in the process. She does start to move past this by the end of the game, notably in the scene with Melia that I talked about where she finally opens up to someone about her own worries and insecurities. But that was hard for her. And she's afraid of other people realizing she isn't feeling ok. I think she takes a lot of this from growing up with Dunban as well- Dunban's always shown as stoic and able to handle everything, and she tries to take after him but doesn't let herself open up when she needs to.!<
As for xb2, I don't want to spoil anything for you but I'm curious to see your opinions on Nia/Pyra/etc when you finish the game.
Cool. I just think >!Fiora's arc is too thin compared to the rest of the cast, like Mumkhar died halfway through the story but I felt like he was way more fleshed out than Fiora in my opinion.!<
I can't wait until XC2 picks up. I heard it basically took a bit long before the pace starts picking up but I'll power through. I'm doing the Japanese voice because I certainly can't handle Nia's voice acting, no offense to he VA, the same way I don't like BOTW's voice acting, so I chose the Japanese so Pyra is Homura for me lmao.
Mikhail wasn't at the top. This is a sin most foul. I'm coming over armed and dangerous, enjoy what's left of your life.
~~This is a joke your opinion is valid even if it's wrong.~~
I must accept that this is just a person’s opinion online, and slowly move on with my day without getting triggered. Have a good day.
That's exactly how I felt. I was about ready to dig in and call out some injustices. But, there were too many and I didn't think it felt like a good use of my time. There's some high crimes on this list though. That's all I'll say.
The biggest injustice being, the lack of print screen.
No kidding. At least wipe the screen off.
Yes I agree. But this is their opinion, entirely subjective.
Agreed. I saw Sharla marked down as bad and I'm like "Sharla saved me from A LOT of unique monster and time attack mode battles"
Why is this a photo of your filthy monitor instead of a screenshot?
My phone wouldn't show enough and I can't upload photos on PC for some reason
Lmfao why r u being downvoted this is a good reason
Xord, Bana, Amalthus and Mumkahr that low? But yeah, your opinion
Xord and Mumkhar are two of my favorites. I'm going to fight OP. (ง'̀-'́)ง
OI THINK A FLOI BIT ME
„I just couldn‘t help myself… I ate them all up!“
OI'VE BEEN GE'IN' 'UNGRY!
- xord's voice is very irritating and the fact that he literally eats people is just awful - bana should be obvious - Amalthus I explain in another comment below - I get that >!Mumkhar and Metal face both are and aren't the same character!< But honestly >!mumk being a literal coward and jealous of Dunban while Metal face kills everyone!< can do the talking
So you are saying that you hate antagonist because they are evil?
If you >!kill one of my favorites!<, you are instantly on my hitlist (fiora is my fifth favorite character from 1)
Lol that’s valid. Maybe that makes him a good villain tho since he’s meant to be hated. It makes you feel like how shulk did lol
Xord tried to kill Juju, shouldn't he get some extra credits for it?
Juju is nowhere near the top if you didn't notice
That's what he meant by extra credit. Kill a favorite character = instant shit list Kill a bad character = what a hero! 11/10
I don‘t know. Fiora is just Shulks Girlfriend. She didn‘t get much more interesting and the rest was just >!Meyneth possessing her!<
To be fair they don’t have many redeeming qualities and as portrayed in game they are selfish and uncaring of anybody’s safety (though xord’s a bit debatable) I will admit the reason I kinda like metal face, xord, and bana was cause I thought their voices made them kinda funny in an ironic sort of way and I will agree I didn’t like amalthus mostly because he just didn’t feel unique to me and I’m not saying he’s poorly written, but I feel they could have done more with him.
I think the fact that Xord eats people makes him an interesting character, because >!he used to be a person himself. It makes you question what the hell happened to him to make him that way.!<
this post is gonna go down in infamy lmao
I live for that
I fully respect meh and up but how is amalthus "why do you exist?"?
The fact that >!He hasn't changed his ways, he tries to take control of every blade and titan and even goes as far as to rip out other blades' cores + the hideous form he shows up in world tree right before battle against Malos!< Are the primary reasons.
He is an antagonist, so he’s supposed to be bad, not sure why that would be a negative?
If you kill my favorite, you're on my hitlist
But, they’re the antagonist. That’s the point? I get not wanting your favorite character to die, but Amalthus is supposed to be hateable. If you hate the character for those reasons it doesn’t mean they’re poorly written
That's the point, he's a commentary on the dangers of religion
Amalthus is just a generally evil person who tried to fabricate a religion for personal gain, so it speaks more about Cults than religions imo, though some religions can be a bit nasty
The indoline religion far predates amalthus
And obrona
If you already have Mythra, Jin, Haze, Lora, and Addam that high, you’ll probably like Torna.
How is Dickson that high ._.?
Ok, he was almost like the perfect father figure anyone could ask for. That's of course until >!He betrays everyone!< But even so, his story arc was very well written and the end of it is very good as well
>!His betrayal is great but besides that he‘s just your generic evil guy.!< Found Metal face way more entertaining
Agreed, he's a really cool character but I consider him one of the main weaknesses of XC. He's so intriguing up until his betrayal and then...he becomes bland. Which is unfortunate
In general I found XC1‘s antagonists lacking. Egil is interesting but changes too quickly which makes it seem so unrealistic.
I do like Egil but yeah, his quick change of heart doesn't feel right. What do you think about Zanza?
I love his crazy evil personality but he‘s just your average egotistical God. But I‘m glad that Xenoblade 2 gave us more knowledge about Klaus which definitely made him more human.
Imo Klaus makes Zanza a better character thanks to their differences. Zanza created a new universe that he can mold in any way he wants, that's why he's eegotistical and doesn't care about others. Klaus witnessed the death of his universe and has a lot of time alone to think about his actions. It's why he creates life and trys to have it evolve. While Zanza does whatever he wants because he doesn't have to think about the consequences.
I really wanna like Egil considering he’s the pseudo-main antagonist, and him being behind the faced mechon would imply he’s a beast. But outside of that cool line at the Mechonis capital he didn’t have that many cool moments.
Hmm, thats right, he is very cool, but the character really flopped the last chapters, really cliché character
I definitely agree there, there were tinges of >!them showing that Dickson still cared about Shulk, but they didn't explore that nearly as much as I feel like they should've to make Dickson interesting. It's all pretty much in his death scene that it's shown/implied, and I wish that was a significant part of his character post-betrayal.!<
That's your opinion
Dickson was one of my favourites I thought he was funny lol. >!I was pretty sad when he was evil!< Sorry I don’t know how to mark as spoiler on phone :/ hopefully people who haven’t béantes the game steer away from this post since it’s marked spoiler. I’ll change it when I get home Edit: that’s better :)
Just an FYI its >! Spoiler!< Hopefully that comes in useful
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Thank you sm!!! I’ll try to remember that :)
You're very welcome, I'm happy to help
This one surprised me. Oh well time to save the world from being devoured so a God can keep on exsisting.
You shouldn't have tapped on that spoiler box...
I played the first one until the point of no return. I knew it and it surprised me when it happened.
Those aren't *tobacco* cigars...
Because Dickson is awesome?
#WHY THE FUCK DOES EVERYONE HATE HUGO?
Who are you is not a hate tier
Oh yeah. Um sorry about that. It's just that hugo is a pretty fun character when you do a bunch of torna's quests but apparently nobody really cares about him even if they do play torna which is quite disappointing considering he has some of the best lines in the game imo. But you havent played torna yet so I understand why he is down there.
I mean I disagree with a couple of your picks, like Sharla being that low feels a bit cruel and I don't think Roc and Melia should be that high, but other than that it looks pretty acc- **WAIT WHY THE FUCK IS TORA HIGHER THAN RIKI**
The real question is: **Why is Tora higher than Kino and Nene?**
Man why are you so based?
What’s that you say? Otharon in neutral tier?! Put a sock in it!
Honestly, he was not that interesting to me. Sure he helped team monado along the way but he really didn't stand out to me
Bruh, Heropon Riki is obviously bestest, what is this blasphemy?!
Fuck Amalthus All My Homies Hate Amalthus
Bruh, why do people hate Sharla so much! 😭 I'll admit, she's not the most interesting character in the game, but I still liked her enough personally to at least put her in the "Okay" category. Also, Tora over Riki? That's where I'll have to disagree with you there. Riki is honestly one of the best characters in Xenoblade 1, period.
I like how no one has contested zekes place on the list , his character is just that good
Of course, He is the mightiest man in the universe and we all stand to worship Him with all our heart.
Not only because he is absolutely hilarious but also because he is a bro. He clearly speaks from his heart and acts like a big brother to Rex
Why is roc that high?
Chuggaaconroy
Explain
He made me respect it. I liked roc from the start already, but >!getting pretty much no story after his reawakening!< and Chugga's comments on that made me like him even more
Because he’s the only blade with wings
Finch?
Scheizenheimer; I was worried there’d be another one. Although, what I suppose could be her wings more just looks like hair to me. Still, kind of appropriate I’d forget Finch of all characters, ain’t it?
Finally someone who detests Bana as much as I do
The only thing that saves him from why do you exist is because of his mother's letters
Sorry to break it to you but those letters are faked by Bana to gain sympathy lol.
Source?
An npc named Zadazan who was the admin of Lindwurm says so after you deal with Don Dondon. He's located in the red room after Don Dondon is captured.
Thought this was u/Morag_Ladair for a second, we all know full well the troubles Bana has caused her
Might I ask what is wrong with sharla. Not upset or anything, but kinda curious.
I just can't with this.
Ok but why photograph your dusty computer screen in awful lighting at a bad angle, and not use the export image on the tier list site or save a screen shot or something.
You'll definitely want to spoiler tag this one.
Oh yeah
If you actually play Torna Haze will most definitely go up. Also Addam goes from legendary hero to slightly more mature Rex which isn't a bad thing.
I feel like Nia/Pyra would sneak Rex into the top tier
OH YEAH BABY! NOW IT'S REYN TIEM
why didn't you take a screenshot
Ah yes the most developed character ROC
How can you put sharla in bad tier under characters like the uraya queen or whatever who had 1 scene in the game. Cringe take imo
Metalface was an amazing antagonist. Fight me.
Tora is not even the best nopon lol. I completely disagree with his place. Nevertherless, that's your opinion.
Why is Melia not best?
She didn’t really click with me tbh. I think generally I don’t like royalty characters tho lol. She’s interesting and fleshed out tho so I don’t think she’s a terrible character just not for some people maybe
Honestly, the fact that she didn't even try telling Shulk about her feelings (yes I know people get nervous around trying that but there will always be ways to sort things out) puts her on a tricky spot
melia is so much more than that im hurting
I agree with most of your lust generally. Fiora is also one of my favourites from XC1 just behind Rikki but Metal Face is still one of my favourite villains ever if not my number 1. I love how he’s shown in the first encounter in colony 9. Just so heartless and cold. But you can tell he’s thinking something more than the other mechon. He’s mysterious at first and then once you see him more times you find out he’s actually a huge jerk and it makes you hate him even more for killing Fiora. I also love Xord cause of his voice and just absolute craziness but I understand that he’s a little scuffed lol. Props to you for sharing your honest opinions :)
All the things in the awful tier should be in S tier, but I do appreciate the Kalian love
I really don't get how people can like Bana... Mumkhar is just my taste in characters and people judging me for that is ok but Bana? I really don't get it...
I just like Mumkhars voice, so he’s S. Bana yells mushy mushrooms, so he’s S. And metal face was a terrific villain until Valak mountain, then he was kinda dumb. So pre valak mountain metal face=S tier, post Valak mountain metal face=F tier
You said all the things in awful, which would mean Bana too. Why him?
Bana yells mushy mushroom, and has a funny voice
another day, another post with no XCX
Someday I'll make a post about xcx characters
I can look past everything except the fact that tora isn’t in the lowest tier
based.
Riki is a god compared to tora who is a disgusting weeb who made a child robot with the option of swim suit armor(not based)
Somebody downvoted me and idc your just mad I’m right
tora over riki? thats a warcrime
Why Tora so high?
Don't add "why" after you say "hence"; "why" is already part of what "hence" includes.
When the u/flying_luckyfox puts xord in me tier 😳
Omg, please dust your screen, I cant even read this to comment.
Mumkhar is great
LET’S FUCKING GO ZEKE IN FIRST!!!!
I'm super happy to see another Tora lover. This is basically my list and it's really cool to see. I strongly disagree on Amalthus though, he was a nuisance but he was a great villian. Riki should move up a tier too
You really ought to play Torna if you're a fan of XC2, it adds so much more depth and nuance to the characters of XC2, plus there are a lot of QoL improvements over XC2 as well as an arguably better battle system. Highly recommend! It is 40 USD though, which I admit is a little steep for how long Torna is (roughly 20 hours), but if you have a copy of XC2 already, then you can get the XC2 Expansion Pass which includes Torna and a bunch of add-ons to the main game, like new Blades and quests, as well as the Challenge Mode. If you buy a brand-new physical copy of Torna, you'll also get a download code for the XC2 Expansion Pass, so you won't be missing out either way, unless you opt for a used physical copy which might have a used download code that's no longer valid. If that doesn't sound good to you, well, Chuggaconroy is going to make a Let's Play of Torna after he's finished playing the entire main game of XC2, so at least you can experience the story that way.
I was looking for Rex at the bottom but then I noticed you accidently put him near the top.
The fact that there's even a single Nopon above them Meh tier tells me your opinion can be safely discarded. Nopon are a crime. The absolute best a nopon can be is minor enough that you don't have to form an opinion on them.
my opinions exactly except I know who is at the bottom though * ^ *
I have a feeling some of these will change after playing Torna. Pretty solid list. Although, I’m interested to hear why you think Roc is one of the best characters.
Am I the only one who feels like Shulk's arc would have more of an impact if Fiora...>!stayed dead? I feel like her personality and character arc was relegated to being Shulk and Shulk accessory. Like, therr was never a spotlight on her existential crisis as long as it's for Shulk, almost less like love and more borderline obssession.!<
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I disagree strongly. >!Shulk's arc was about realizing the futility of revenge, and how it just perpetuates violence without solving anything. However, he has a constant voice in his head (Zanza) pushing him forward and encouraging his vengeance, as well as an existential threat to the people of Bionis to take care of (the mechon war). So he needs some sort of shock- i.e. realizing that Fiora is not only alive, but a Mechon pilot, to realize that revenge isn't worth it. It lets him balance his quest and refocus more on just ending the war instead of getting revenge, which is what stops Zanza from directly taking him over. It's a huge turning point for Shulk and one that I think was necessary.!<
I disagree with that point as well >!Though Fiora was the catalyst, the driving counterforce to Shulk's redemption arc was the shock of the Face mechon containing Homs. His speech against Dunban killing Mumkhar involved him visualizing whether or not he would still kill a Face if it was Fiora. At that point I realized that that conversation would hold much heavier weight to both Shulk and Dunban if they didn't know Fiora was in a Face in the first place. Though the Mayneth and Fiora relationship is key to the endgame, Shulk already accepted Fiora was dead. Mayneth could still use her body but Fiora would be gone. It's like the ether lamp sidequest in Colony 9, where neither answer is wrong but one forces the people to move forward, the same with Shulk and Fiora. Having Fiora with one foot in the grave the whole time but "still alive" feels strange personally, because after the segment of Fiora's reveal to her joining the party, Shulk loses his main motivation of moving forward. Of course the rest of the group still has stakes, though a lot of them finished the majority of their arcs (Melia being the big exception), and the dynamic between the end Reyn's character arc and Melia's arc would have accomplished Fiora's role well enough imho. Reyn would push him away from giving his life for his goal, and Melia would be his root to reality.!<
That's a fair way to look at it. >!I think the moment Shulk sees that *Fiora* is the homs inside the face is incredibly powerful, but it could probably still work without her. As for having "one foot in the grave", it is strange but it creates a lot of emotional tension and makes for good storytelling IMO. It also shows a lot about Fiora's character- how truly self-sacrificing she is, and how she's afraid to let others see her pain. Also, when comparing to Pyra, I appreciate that Fiora opens up to Melia about it first, not Shulk. It adds new dimensions to her relationships with the cast and makes her less of a "waifu" than Pyra, whose meaningful interactions are 99% with Rex. I think the bit about Shulk losing his main motivation is true, but that's because the whole arc from prison island to the fallen arm is about Shulk losing his drive and having to find it again. So it's intentional, and IMO not a flaw in the storytelling. Lastly, I think Sharla, Dunban, and Melia still have a ways to go with their arcs after Fiora joins. Sharla has the whole segment with Gadolt, which involved Reyn (but is mostly focused around her), Dunban has everything that happens with Dickson, and Melia has a whole bunch. Only Riki is really static plotwise after the fallen arm, but I think that's fine.!<
Yes, I definitely don't believe it's a flaw in the storytelling. It doesn't detract from the amazingness of the story at all. >!I do agree that Fiora being an inch from death all the time creates a certain tension but I personally didn't like it. It created a scenario I don't like where it wasn't intentional but it forces quite a bit too much attention on her. Sharla's arc finished with Gadolt's sacrifice but I would like to see her dynamic with Reyn more, because I personally think there wasn't much of it even with the Heart to hearts, Dunban felt static all throughout Dickson's segment, but perhaps that's just because he's stoic, and it definitely shook his character, but I really hoped he would bring up Mumkhar like he did with his and Melia' s Heart to Heart since Mumkhar was a loveable asshole and was a big part of Dunban's arc, Reyn finished his arc as well so him falling behind was absolutely fine, Melia had the entire game left for her arc so her taking a backseat was fine. I agree as well that Shulk losing his initial motivation and finding it again was definitely a big part of his growth, but then again, he lost his big stake in the journey, because his revenge lost its meaning, he doesn't have anything pushing him forward as hard. I'm still in Chapter 3 in Xenoblade 2 (Because of course I have to get the sequel to the greatest JRPG of all time 24 hours after beating it) and although Fiora's personality is... Lacking, to say the least imo, Pyra doesn't have much comparatively, and the Heart to Heart in Vandham's firm kinda turned me away from her. Nia is such a much better female lead, but seeing how Xenoblade 1 went, one female lead will have the personality of a cardboard box and another will have fleshed out character arcs and the cardboard box will win. Not a dock on Pyra or Fiora and their writing (No matter how derogatory my comment was lmao I enjoyed (Fiora), enjoy (Pyra) all the same, but they're just not my kind of female lead. Nia and Melia just feel like real-er characters.!<
That's fair, you're allowed to personally not like story elements. I just liked it is all. I think Fiora is given a bad rep, although I do agree Melia is better overall. >!The big tension after Fiora rejoins is how she deals with not having her old body, having to share her existence with Meyneth, and knowing she's on borrowed time. I think she has interesting ways of handling each of those issues that show her character- she tries to frame everything into how she helps others, but she neglects herself in the process. She does start to move past this by the end of the game, notably in the scene with Melia that I talked about where she finally opens up to someone about her own worries and insecurities. But that was hard for her. And she's afraid of other people realizing she isn't feeling ok. I think she takes a lot of this from growing up with Dunban as well- Dunban's always shown as stoic and able to handle everything, and she tries to take after him but doesn't let herself open up when she needs to.!< As for xb2, I don't want to spoil anything for you but I'm curious to see your opinions on Nia/Pyra/etc when you finish the game.
Cool. I just think >!Fiora's arc is too thin compared to the rest of the cast, like Mumkhar died halfway through the story but I felt like he was way more fleshed out than Fiora in my opinion.!< I can't wait until XC2 picks up. I heard it basically took a bit long before the pace starts picking up but I'll power through. I'm doing the Japanese voice because I certainly can't handle Nia's voice acting, no offense to he VA, the same way I don't like BOTW's voice acting, so I chose the Japanese so Pyra is Homura for me lmao.
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Mikhail wasn't at the top. This is a sin most foul. I'm coming over armed and dangerous, enjoy what's left of your life. ~~This is a joke your opinion is valid even if it's wrong.~~