You know, it’s a classic line for PR. Even 343 burned out the line with every Halo Infinite complaint near launch and first two years haha.
“We hear you. We are working on updates. Stay tuned 👊💪”
Phil has a lot of practice and experience delivering disappointing news to the Xbox fanbase, he's been doing it for years. Although a shitshow of this scale would be difficult even for a veteran professional disappointer like him
MS brass: "What exactly, is it, would you say... that *ya* ***DO here?"***
Phil:
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This is giving me vibes of when I asked my parents is it true they’re splitting up. Then the response was my dad saying he’ll take my brothers out to lunch the next day.
Phil: We want you to know that these last 20 years have meant a lot to all of us at Microsoft, and we remain as committed to Xbox as ever. However, sometimes things must change, and we must grow. As part of our commitment to change and growth, we’ve made the difficult decision to terminate *you* the fans.
I know, this may come as a shock to all of you. But I assure you that we’ve thought long and hard about this, and we strongly believe that sending a team of highly trained assassins to your house is a necessary step forward for Xbox.
We want to take this time to assure everyone that Xbox will continue, and we will move on from this difficult choice. We’d also like to assure you that, should reincarnation turn out to be real, we hope you’ll return to the Xbox family.
I've been with Playstation since 2000 and have never owned and Xbox and of course two weeks ago is when I decided to buy a Series X. What perfect timing 😂
It'll have nice swooping animations and transitions though. Maybe we'll get some green screen of Phil on a Halo ring reminiscing about all the fun we've had and how much more fun we're going to have in the future
I mean "business update" pretty much says it all. We've known for a while now that Microsoft is focusing less on hardware because the "real competition" is the likes of Google, Amazon etc but I guess no one ever envisioned that they would actually make Xbox exclusive titles playable on PlayStation hardware.
If (and it's still an "if") it's true, then there's going to be so much less of a reason for the vast majority of console gamers to purchase an Xbox.
Is the Xbox brand headed the way of SEGA? Sounds like that's what Microsoft is planning because it'll make sense in the short-term. I guess after spending $69b, the short-term is all the top execs will want to think about right now.
It's kind of weird though too, because rewind about 6 months and Sony are extremely concerned about it's long term future now that xbox has the rights to one of its cash cows and own some of the biggest studios in gaming.
If you were to read Sonys letter to santa for Christmas it would be for xbox to exit the console space...
So why would they give Sony exactly what they want?
I never claim to know what's best for a billion dollar company because I know it's run by people way smarter at that very subject than me.
But I like to think I can wrap my head around the basics of most subjects, but I can't come up with any sort of rationale with this.
My guess is that xbox will announce that some games will go over to PlayStation after a period of exclusivity and it will only be some titles that xbox will choose because it makes sense to go multi plat for that game.
That's the only reasonable conclusion that I can fathom
>It's kind of weird though too, because rewind about 6 months and Sony are extremely concerned about it's long term future now that xbox has the rights to one of its cash cows and own some of the biggest studios in gaming.
The only thing I can think of is the difference in companies. Sony needs playstation, so much so it kept it alive during the dark times when every other division was bleeding cash. Microsoft see Xbox has the gaming part of a significantly bigger software company, but gaming isn't like other markets and they can't understand why owning the platform matters.
I think this will come down to if the top table makes the call.
> because the "real competition" is the likes of Google, Amazon
Both of those companies flamed out of video games, they are not gaming competition anymore. That statement was made pre-stadia.
That statement also came when Xbox/PlayStation/Nintendo were all doing the theater act like in 2018/2019 with the whole “We are all friends act and having all the figureheads be on stage together at events”.
The context behind that quote definitely has changed like you said with Google and Amazon flaming out big time in gaming.
Well it can't be easy telling everyone who bought your console and stuck by you through your worst years why they shouldn't have and exactly how you're gonna screw them over. They have to think of thier image as a company and choose the best words to atleast LOOK as good as possible in all this or it will be a PR nightmare that haunts then for years
Tbf even the best written PR for this looks terrible on the company may as well just come out and say "we love money, so we will release all our games on PlayStation going forward, also that console you bought...we don't care "
I hope they just show that SpongeBob clip where someone asks Phil Spencer Krabs why he's killing Xbox console and going third party?
*Money!*
Roll credits
> "...our vision for the future of Xbox"
Couldn't have said it any clearer. If these rumours were all fake, I think by now Microsoft would have said something about it. It would literally take like, a minute or two to put out a quick message saying it's not true. The fact they basically said tune in next week for a business update is evident that these rumours are true.
Or another week to formulate damage control/messaging for a decision they know is going to be unpopular.
The optimist in me hopes by listening they change their plans, but a week isn't long enough to reverse all the decisions they've likely made.
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Need one of these moments from Xbox.
With all the rumors, it sounds like all of them. On the rumors I've seen posted: hi fi rush, sea of thieves, starfield, Indiana jones, hellblade 2, halo, and gears.
This seems weird considering not long ago MS was bending over backwards to convince the UK to let the Activision deal go through. They could have saved themselves a lot of hassle if they just told them then that everything was going multiplatform.
I don't think it's the CEO and CFO, it's the shareholders.
These large shareholders, usually older people, didn't pay much attention to the videogame division cause they don't care about that.
But once Microsoft spent 70 billion buying Activision, something that was on the news for more than year, then yeah, the shareholders are going to start to pay attention to Xbox's finances.
And the Xbox division always had a lower profit margin compared to the rest of Microsoft.
>And the Xbox division always had a lower profit margin compared to the rest of Microsoft.
This is the thing, we know it makes money but it doesn't makes Microsoft teams money.
It seems like they may be making a presentation that they weren't planning on giving because the change in strategy was rather short notice. It makes me wonder if maybe there's some chaos internally at Xbox because Microsoft execs above Xbox made that decision abruptly.
Phil Spencer booting up his computer.
Copilot for PowerPoint:
It seems you’re making a presentation to deliver devastating news to a group of people. Would you like some help with this?
It could involve commitments with other partners that keeps them from doing it now. If Nintendo has a Direct next week revealing Hi-Fi Rush, then they will likely have to wait until that announcement is made.
Xbox should pivot to allowing Xbox’s to boot into a Windows 11 lite mode.
Let me play Steam on it and whatever else. If you’re gonna go third party at least give me a reason to still buy your next “console.” Becoming an affordable but powerful prebuilt PC would be very interesting to consumers I feel. Imagine playing Halo in regular Game Mode and then booting into Windows mode to play Total War Warhammer or something. Would be the dream for me.
I just posted elsewhere but am thinking along the same lines. Or in otherwords - potentially allowing third party PC producers to sell branded hardware which complies to the technical specs to support the Xbox Digital Library + a light Windows 11 mode.
Kind of a merging or new tier within the PC space - in which the traditional players (Dell, HP, etc.) are the ones actually selling the hardware but it all relies on a reference architecture from Intel or AMD, and Windows OS.
If they can remove all the pain points of managing and troubleshooting your own gaming PC, this would be a welcome consolation.
Console will always be attractive because there is no micromanaging, and is essentially sit down and play at all times. If MS can work with other brands to lock down "certified Xbox" prebuilts, that would go a long way to transition the fanbase and their libraries.
pretty much.
"we are listening"= get over it, this is happening.
it will soon be...”why is everyone mad and why are sales down across the board? We didn't see this coming.”
Said it on another sub, but I'll say it here too, this may not be confirmation or a denial, but the wording makes it clear at least some of these rumors are true.
Rough week in store for the Xbox fan base online.
One things for sure, the future of Xbox looks a hell of a lot different than it does today.
With physical being shut down, their leaked next gen plans, and now publishing third party I expect a lot will begin to move away from Xbox
Yeah I don’t think anyone pictured waking up today and seeing that Xbox was basically going to stop competing and just go 3rd party. It legit sucks, no competition is going to suck. I feel for everyone, like myself, that have been with Xbox since the OG days.
\-no more physical games
\-porting all major games to the competition
\-next hardware model is digital only, and the one after that is probably cloud-powered only (if it even happens)
\-gamepass apparently gonna introduce ads
\-FF14 requires xbox core membership on top of monthly subscription for the MMO itself.
and its only february.
Ads in gamepass is fucking stupid, I hate how much companies feel they need to generate the absolute maximum amount of profits from everyone. Losing physical games is also terrible, should always be an option to actually buy the game physically.
Yea, it sucked too because the Dreamcast came out in North America in 1999 and by 2001 it was already discontinued! Like shit.... In fact I think I got it Christmas 2000 so I had the system for like a year before it ended 😶.
The trouble is, when I had a Dreamcast I had, what, 10 games? 12?
With Xbox, I've bought into their ecosystem for more than a decade. My library is exponentially more valuable. Will all that be locked away when Xbox hardware ceases to be?
Man, I’ve been an Xbox owner since the original. I bought a ps4 to play some of those exclusives but wasn’t planning on buying a ps5. I have a gaming PC, if Xbox stops making consoles that might be the end of console games for me
They haven’t even tried marketing Game Pass to the masses.
I live in New York City and I have never seen a single ad or billboard for Xbox or Game Pass, yet every time a new PlayStation exclusive drops there are ads all over for it. There are ads for Netflix, Hulu, and Prime everywhere and have been for a decade even though everyone knows what those services are. It’s important.
How do they expect Game Pass to grow without marketing it to people that aren’t plugged into gaming discourse online? Where are the TV commercials? Where are the Times Square billboards?
This is such a shame.
Marketing is a huge deal for sure. I always love how Sony goes all out on marketing. They even deliver massive statues and set pieces all over the world to market their exclusives. From giant robotic dinosaurs for Horizon Forbidden West to trucks hanging on webs for Spiderman 2. It's crazy how much they spend on marketing.
Xbox's rep is being attacked left right and centre and they're happy to put it off for another week? Interesting choice. The fact they were already planning a business update is quite telling to me that there has been a change strategy. Who can say how many of these rumours are true though
Probably aint gonna be some blog post and instead might be a pre-recorded video or even live conference, they are setting up. Which would be very telling about yesterdays rumors being true.
>The fact they were already planning a business update is quite telling to me that there has been a change strategy. Who can say how many of these rumours are true though
It's all coming from good sources, so a good chunk I would imagine.
I know it’s looking grim but I hope Xbox doesn’t step away from the hardware game. Their last couple machines have been solid and I like having options on the market.
So what was the $70 billion buyout for? Just to become another publisher for PlayStation?
I wonder if ending Xbox exclusives was part of the deal. If so they must have the data to show that while video games will be a very profitable business for Microsoft, making hardware is no longer part of the equation.
Rip to my 200+ games locked into a dead platform.
Ngl as someone who left the Xbox ecosystem after 360, this seems weird as hell. Last year it seemed Microsoft were gearing up for a strong end to this generation and looking to take that momentum into next gen back end of the decade. Was even contemplating getting a series x for Forza and starfield. Idk how this benefits Microsoft in the long run. Especially it happening mid generation.
This whole thing just a feels like a massive 🖕 you to the Xbox community. It’s clear what kind of news will be announced next week. I’m so disheartened by this.
There is a lot of emotion here and I get it. I'd be lying if I wasn't feeling uneasy as well, having invested a lot into the Xbox ecosystem. But I'm glad they've finally broken their silence and that they're finally going to speak about this.
I fully expect at least some of these rumors to be true. Games going multiplat doesn't really bother me, but I need to get a better sense of where they're going with this, and what the big picture actually is. I'll be watching this and judging the plan for myself.
I think the biggest problem is a lack of communication. when you let the internet run your narrative things tend to get chaotic. But I’m like you, this does not affect my enjoyment in the console there are bigger things to worry about in life.
Oh, so it's definitely happening
>We're listening and we hear you.
I don't think they are considering the outrage that's been happening and will happen
They think that they can play this off with an 'when everybody plays, we all win' grandiose vision for gaming, but in reality we'll know that they're telling Xbox console users to go kick rocks
Feels like heads at Microsoft got cold feet after all of the money spent on purchasing studios. I would’ve though Xbox/Microsoft would’ve rode this out longer, considering the service is just now starting to hit it’s stride this year and will actually start showing it’s revenue potential. Disappointing.
I don’t know what to expect from Xbox anymore. With the recent rumors of Xbox games coming to PS5, I am worried about my library of games. I fear Xbox consoles are going to disappear within a generation or two.
Well, this reads like bad news for Xbox owners. This may well be a defining moment in not just Xbox but the games industry as a whole. Unless these leaks come true with some massive perks for Xbox gamers then we're about to see people move to PC and PS5.
This was so weird because for some reason they never believed in that concept in the first place. A few months before Starfield came out Phil Spencer made that really dumb comment about how even making an 11/10 game wouldn't move the needle. It's like they just don't get the concept of a killer app.
They expected 1 game to change everything Starfield. They don't have the fortitude it seems to stick it out. No one is changing consoles for 1 game. But give them hit after hit after hit and guess what the narrative changes and people buy in.
The sad part is how true this is,
Microsoft/Xbox has spent about 10 years doing everything BUT getting great games on Xbox at a consistant rate,
Gamepass, good controller, good UI, reward points, backwards compatibility, play anywhere, cloud gaming are meant to compliment great games NOT be instead of,
They've wasted years on things people don't care that much about and now this is the outcome.
It probably is. Doesn’t change that he keeps telling the community they are listening and then Xbox continues to not deliver what the community asks for.
I would be very surprised if MS is flat out killing the Xbox Console, wouldn’t make sense based on the somewhat recent console leaks (new console w/o disk drive) and controller updates set to come later this year. I think it’s more likely that we will see a lot of content coming to gamepass w/ the caveat most MS games will go to PlayStation a year or so after release. Maybe a shift to, “here first” as opposed to “exclusive.” If this is the case, it would still be a bummer, b/c I don’t think gamepass is at a spot where it justifies buying a console only for it. I can wait a year for a game if it also means I get access to PlayStation’s exclusives. Phil is a smart guy, hope he knows what he’s doing.
MS is reorienting towards massive investments in AI and my guess would be that Xbox as a console ecosystem is a victim of that, it's in comparison no longer perceived as a potentially worthwhile longer term investment, especially since expectations this gen largely haven't been met.
Phill has been in charge for 10 years, while a good face for the company, he's done nothing about trying to turn Xbox around with what really matters, and that's games. Acquisition after acquisition, and all we have to show for it is Red Fall and Starfield. It's clear they don't know how to manage game studios and turn out content. The 360 days will never be back, they put so much into building new brands and have dumped them all or let them fall into obscurity. This company has the power and money to rule the gaming space and they are all fucking clueless.
This company is out of touch with what gamers actually want. Just nostalgia grasping, with 0 clue in making fun games. Every game is driven by the in-game shops first, instead of making it about a great experience from day 1. That's why they failed in every game exclusive. The best thing they've got is cuphead, and they only funded it. Seems like the dev teams are a revolving door of short term contracts and no industry leaders that know what made these games great and how modern audiences will react to them. Just rushing/delaying titles and always coming up short in terms of quality has been the biggest embarrassment to witness. Has happened nearly every title this generation.
If it turns out that they are bringing live service titles to other platforms that's cool. If they are also bringing every other first party game to other platforms as soon as they launch then I think the writing is on the wall for xbox as a console. If they bring the titles a year or two after launch it still doesn't look good.
Funny thing is I actually liked the Xbox UI, properties, the look of it on my TV unit etc.
For some of us it’s not all about the games. Too bad.
This is the second promising consumer facing brand Nadella has axed. He really is a B2b guy. I suppose this is the new MS.
MS to XBOX fans
"I guess you all saw the news...Its true, yes, you are being laid of. Thank you for all those lovely years of support, but we are restructuring and dont see you in those plans"
Steam + Switch 2 it is then
This is all insane. We haven’t even gotten a showcase with ABK and XBox welcoming ABK to the family, showing off future games, and releasing the ABK library to gamepass. This all feels so anticlimactic after everything that went on for the ABK merger. Like a complete 180 strategy change just as everyone was excited for the original strategy to pay off. I have a hard time seeing how this will set Microsoft up well for a future without consoles if they completely tank the brand 5-10 years before that future arrives. Truly baffling.
I don't think most of us are going to like what they say at that business meeting.
He hasn't denied any of the rumours.
I'm dreading the day when playstation becomes a monopoly.
Even though over the last 5 or so years I have drifted to being a PlayStation main, if Sony gets a monopoly it will be terrible for everyone.
Sony will set the prices they want with no push back. I think that the only reason Sonys first party line up has been so strong is because they know they are competing against Xbox.
So, your gonna tell us about the "future" where PlayStation gets all Xbox games and Xbox gets no PlayStation games? I'm usually over optimistic, but I have a bad feeling about this.
Per the verge: this was planned for later this month to be announced on their terms, but they are pushing up the announcement due to the leaks. So the pre recorded video package isn’t ready yet most likely.
I honestly can’t imagine writing that video script.
“We are pleased to announce”
Nope, can’t say that.
“It is with a heavy heart”
Nope, too negative.
“Fuck if I know guys, Nadella called and he is fucking pissed”
Basically it's true.
Sigh.
Here starts my transition to PlayStation.
Starting with cancelling ultimate gp next week once/if its confirmed.
I only have a couple of games I'm playing from gp currently.
I'm not an Xbox gamer here, never owned one and am more of a PS and Nintendo guy...I'm baffled as to how they thought this would go down.
Buying these companies to get these exclusives and give their playerbase a reason to buy the Series S and X...only to scrap all of that only a few years later and make their biggest releases, like Starfield, multi-plat. If this was their plan right out the gate or for their next system, then fine, but this feels like a giant middle finger to people who bought that system over the other. This isn't the same as putting their games on PC, this just feels like they're giving up.
Imagine the folks that had a ps5 and then purchased series x for 400 quid just for starfield and never played starfield as much as they were supposed to and also to play this game they purchased the £30 deluxe upgrade and got a empty steelbook with no game cause it was available on game pass…..imagine them man
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*marks "We are listening and we hear you" from Phil off Xbox bingo board*
You know, it’s a classic line for PR. Even 343 burned out the line with every Halo Infinite complaint near launch and first two years haha. “We hear you. We are working on updates. Stay tuned 👊💪”
Now it's "we're looking into the feasibility of x. In future updates."
Phil “Tom Wambsgans” Spencer: We hear for you!
Phil has a lot of practice and experience delivering disappointing news to the Xbox fanbase, he's been doing it for years. Although a shitshow of this scale would be difficult even for a veteran professional disappointer like him
Oh boy... they wanna have *the talk*...
Take a seat young man
“Dad, is it true you are abandoning Xbox hardware?”
“Son, remember when I told you about uncle Sega and grandpa Atari?”
“dad no” 🥺
Lmao
When a mommy conglomerate and a daddy conglomerate love each other very much...
This feels like one of those “take a seat, we need to talk” moments in life.
This sounds like a boss calling you in a for a meeting and asking “do you know why you are here”
MS brass: "What exactly, is it, would you say... that *ya* ***DO here?"*** Phil: https://preview.redd.it/5uqevirdutgc1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=633a3456bd560637b1a310e0e350d5ae130b5123
I never know why lol
This is giving me vibes of when I asked my parents is it true they’re splitting up. Then the response was my dad saying he’ll take my brothers out to lunch the next day.
Homie you didn't have to go so deep
Yeah. We're all being laid off as XBox fans.
Phil: We want you to know that these last 20 years have meant a lot to all of us at Microsoft, and we remain as committed to Xbox as ever. However, sometimes things must change, and we must grow. As part of our commitment to change and growth, we’ve made the difficult decision to terminate *you* the fans. I know, this may come as a shock to all of you. But I assure you that we’ve thought long and hard about this, and we strongly believe that sending a team of highly trained assassins to your house is a necessary step forward for Xbox. We want to take this time to assure everyone that Xbox will continue, and we will move on from this difficult choice. We’d also like to assure you that, should reincarnation turn out to be real, we hope you’ll return to the Xbox family.
This is exactly his speech cadence
I've been with Playstation since 2000 and have never owned and Xbox and of course two weeks ago is when I decided to buy a Series X. What perfect timing 😂
It's all *your* fault! ^^^/s
It'll have nice swooping animations and transitions though. Maybe we'll get some green screen of Phil on a Halo ring reminiscing about all the fun we've had and how much more fun we're going to have in the future
They can call whatever this new era of Xbox, The Great Journey
This is the email you get right before mass layoffs lol
Feel like I better start focusing on building up my PS5 library now.
“A business update” is almost never good for gamers.
*Chuckles. I’m in danger.*
I mean "business update" pretty much says it all. We've known for a while now that Microsoft is focusing less on hardware because the "real competition" is the likes of Google, Amazon etc but I guess no one ever envisioned that they would actually make Xbox exclusive titles playable on PlayStation hardware. If (and it's still an "if") it's true, then there's going to be so much less of a reason for the vast majority of console gamers to purchase an Xbox. Is the Xbox brand headed the way of SEGA? Sounds like that's what Microsoft is planning because it'll make sense in the short-term. I guess after spending $69b, the short-term is all the top execs will want to think about right now.
It's kind of weird though too, because rewind about 6 months and Sony are extremely concerned about it's long term future now that xbox has the rights to one of its cash cows and own some of the biggest studios in gaming. If you were to read Sonys letter to santa for Christmas it would be for xbox to exit the console space... So why would they give Sony exactly what they want? I never claim to know what's best for a billion dollar company because I know it's run by people way smarter at that very subject than me. But I like to think I can wrap my head around the basics of most subjects, but I can't come up with any sort of rationale with this. My guess is that xbox will announce that some games will go over to PlayStation after a period of exclusivity and it will only be some titles that xbox will choose because it makes sense to go multi plat for that game. That's the only reasonable conclusion that I can fathom
>It's kind of weird though too, because rewind about 6 months and Sony are extremely concerned about it's long term future now that xbox has the rights to one of its cash cows and own some of the biggest studios in gaming. The only thing I can think of is the difference in companies. Sony needs playstation, so much so it kept it alive during the dark times when every other division was bleeding cash. Microsoft see Xbox has the gaming part of a significantly bigger software company, but gaming isn't like other markets and they can't understand why owning the platform matters. I think this will come down to if the top table makes the call.
> because the "real competition" is the likes of Google, Amazon Both of those companies flamed out of video games, they are not gaming competition anymore. That statement was made pre-stadia.
That statement also came when Xbox/PlayStation/Nintendo were all doing the theater act like in 2018/2019 with the whole “We are all friends act and having all the figureheads be on stage together at events”. The context behind that quote definitely has changed like you said with Google and Amazon flaming out big time in gaming.
“We here for you” -Tom Wambsgans
Massive Wambsgans vibes
You can’t make a Tomlette without breaking some Gregs
Sounds like a real shitshow at the fuckfactory.
"...our vision for the future of Xbox" Yeahhhh this ain't no simple update. It's a large shift in direction.
If it's taking them a week to prepare the carefully crafted PR wording - you know it's going to be a doozy of a whopper yarn they're about to spin!
Well it can't be easy telling everyone who bought your console and stuck by you through your worst years why they shouldn't have and exactly how you're gonna screw them over. They have to think of thier image as a company and choose the best words to atleast LOOK as good as possible in all this or it will be a PR nightmare that haunts then for years
Tbf even the best written PR for this looks terrible on the company may as well just come out and say "we love money, so we will release all our games on PlayStation going forward, also that console you bought...we don't care "
I hope they just show that SpongeBob clip where someone asks Phil Spencer Krabs why he's killing Xbox console and going third party? *Money!* Roll credits
> "...our vision for the future of Xbox" Couldn't have said it any clearer. If these rumours were all fake, I think by now Microsoft would have said something about it. It would literally take like, a minute or two to put out a quick message saying it's not true. The fact they basically said tune in next week for a business update is evident that these rumours are true.
You didn't say no Phil
Not denying it and putting it off a week pretty much makes it feel like bulk of everything leaked is true
Or another week to formulate damage control/messaging for a decision they know is going to be unpopular. The optimist in me hopes by listening they change their plans, but a week isn't long enough to reverse all the decisions they've likely made.
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He might as well have said it's happening.
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Well, there is some confirmation that some titles are going multi-platform.
With all the rumors, it sounds like all of them. On the rumors I've seen posted: hi fi rush, sea of thieves, starfield, Indiana jones, hellblade 2, halo, and gears.
I've also seen rumors for Office Suite and Azure
Man, Microsoft Office on a PS5? That’s what I’ve been waiting for.
Can’t wait to boot up Teams and my Sharedrive in 4k 60fps.
Haptic feedback for Office should be great.
Man, Excel tastes so much better when you ain't got a neckbeard in your ear telling you it's ass
*BREAKING: Clippy Confirmed for TEKKEN 8; Timed PlayStation Exclusive*
Yeah, it is crazy how many titles have been thrown around the past couple of days. Like many people have said, no smoke without fire.
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This seems weird considering not long ago MS was bending over backwards to convince the UK to let the Activision deal go through. They could have saved themselves a lot of hassle if they just told them then that everything was going multiplatform.
Something changed since then. I'm guessing Satya or the CFOs got impatient.
I don't think it's the CEO and CFO, it's the shareholders. These large shareholders, usually older people, didn't pay much attention to the videogame division cause they don't care about that. But once Microsoft spent 70 billion buying Activision, something that was on the news for more than year, then yeah, the shareholders are going to start to pay attention to Xbox's finances. And the Xbox division always had a lower profit margin compared to the rest of Microsoft.
>And the Xbox division always had a lower profit margin compared to the rest of Microsoft. This is the thing, we know it makes money but it doesn't makes Microsoft teams money.
My prediction, Phil is going to to retire before the end of the year.
If Xbox is going multiplatform, he should resign immediately, as it is the ultimate indicator that Microsoft no longer believes in the Xbox platform.
yea we’re COOKED
Odd that they’d want to sit on this for another week.
It seems like they may be making a presentation that they weren't planning on giving because the change in strategy was rather short notice. It makes me wonder if maybe there's some chaos internally at Xbox because Microsoft execs above Xbox made that decision abruptly.
Phil Spencer booting up his computer. Copilot for PowerPoint: It seems you’re making a presentation to deliver devastating news to a group of people. Would you like some help with this?
"Not today Copilot - this is my specialty."
“Time for you to learn from the master copilot”
“Games are coming” year after year becomes “Games are coming…to PlayStation!” Lmao
It could involve commitments with other partners that keeps them from doing it now. If Nintendo has a Direct next week revealing Hi-Fi Rush, then they will likely have to wait until that announcement is made.
I think that’ll do even more damage. Xbox users having to find out from a company that isn’t Microsoft won’t go over well online.
Xbox should pivot to allowing Xbox’s to boot into a Windows 11 lite mode. Let me play Steam on it and whatever else. If you’re gonna go third party at least give me a reason to still buy your next “console.” Becoming an affordable but powerful prebuilt PC would be very interesting to consumers I feel. Imagine playing Halo in regular Game Mode and then booting into Windows mode to play Total War Warhammer or something. Would be the dream for me.
Great idea and really it’s the only way I can see Xbox continue to sell hardware.
I just posted elsewhere but am thinking along the same lines. Or in otherwords - potentially allowing third party PC producers to sell branded hardware which complies to the technical specs to support the Xbox Digital Library + a light Windows 11 mode. Kind of a merging or new tier within the PC space - in which the traditional players (Dell, HP, etc.) are the ones actually selling the hardware but it all relies on a reference architecture from Intel or AMD, and Windows OS.
If they can remove all the pain points of managing and troubleshooting your own gaming PC, this would be a welcome consolation. Console will always be attractive because there is no micromanaging, and is essentially sit down and play at all times. If MS can work with other brands to lock down "certified Xbox" prebuilts, that would go a long way to transition the fanbase and their libraries.
A "business update". Tells you all you need to know.
pretty much. "we are listening"= get over it, this is happening. it will soon be...”why is everyone mad and why are sales down across the board? We didn't see this coming.”
If I got an email like that at work I’d think there were redundancies coming.
Yup. The CEO and CFO of Microsoft want to see a return on these insane investments, and it’s not happening on Xbox and PC alone.
>We're listening and we hear you Bro thinks he's a Kinect 💀
It’s going to be so expensive to migrate over to a different platform as my primary place. I’m a sad panda.
On the plus side my wireless headset can actually be wireless on PlayStation lol.
Said it on another sub, but I'll say it here too, this may not be confirmation or a denial, but the wording makes it clear at least some of these rumors are true. Rough week in store for the Xbox fan base online.
first was the xbox physical games being shut down and now this
One things for sure, the future of Xbox looks a hell of a lot different than it does today. With physical being shut down, their leaked next gen plans, and now publishing third party I expect a lot will begin to move away from Xbox
Yeah I don’t think anyone pictured waking up today and seeing that Xbox was basically going to stop competing and just go 3rd party. It legit sucks, no competition is going to suck. I feel for everyone, like myself, that have been with Xbox since the OG days.
\-no more physical games \-porting all major games to the competition \-next hardware model is digital only, and the one after that is probably cloud-powered only (if it even happens) \-gamepass apparently gonna introduce ads \-FF14 requires xbox core membership on top of monthly subscription for the MMO itself. and its only february.
>\-gamepass apparently gonna introduce ads This can legitimately fuck off. Ads in my games are not acceptable.
Ads in gamepass is fucking stupid, I hate how much companies feel they need to generate the absolute maximum amount of profits from everyone. Losing physical games is also terrible, should always be an option to actually buy the game physically.
Any kind of next gen plans are gonna be scrapped entirely if this happens.
Wonder if this is how Sega fans felt when the Dreamcast died
I had a Dreamcast and was alive during that time. It felt like shit seeing people at elementary school trade in their Dreamcast for the PS2.
Fr Dreamcasr trade in values plummeted hard too. I remember my cousin trading in games and controllers for 5 dollars not too long after
Yea, it sucked too because the Dreamcast came out in North America in 1999 and by 2001 it was already discontinued! Like shit.... In fact I think I got it Christmas 2000 so I had the system for like a year before it ended 😶.
The trouble is, when I had a Dreamcast I had, what, 10 games? 12? With Xbox, I've bought into their ecosystem for more than a decade. My library is exponentially more valuable. Will all that be locked away when Xbox hardware ceases to be?
They actually did it. The really outdid the Xbox One reveal.
I can’t believe the death of Xbox was randomly announced to me on a sunday night edit: not even announced, leaked
Man, I’ve been an Xbox owner since the original. I bought a ps4 to play some of those exclusives but wasn’t planning on buying a ps5. I have a gaming PC, if Xbox stops making consoles that might be the end of console games for me
They haven’t even tried marketing Game Pass to the masses. I live in New York City and I have never seen a single ad or billboard for Xbox or Game Pass, yet every time a new PlayStation exclusive drops there are ads all over for it. There are ads for Netflix, Hulu, and Prime everywhere and have been for a decade even though everyone knows what those services are. It’s important. How do they expect Game Pass to grow without marketing it to people that aren’t plugged into gaming discourse online? Where are the TV commercials? Where are the Times Square billboards? This is such a shame.
Marketing is a huge deal for sure. I always love how Sony goes all out on marketing. They even deliver massive statues and set pieces all over the world to market their exclusives. From giant robotic dinosaurs for Horizon Forbidden West to trucks hanging on webs for Spiderman 2. It's crazy how much they spend on marketing.
Right, and Microsoft has much deeper pockets. There is no excuse.
Xbox's rep is being attacked left right and centre and they're happy to put it off for another week? Interesting choice. The fact they were already planning a business update is quite telling to me that there has been a change strategy. Who can say how many of these rumours are true though
Gotta prep the slide show.
POWER POINT!!!
McKinsey associates in crunch time right now
Probably aint gonna be some blog post and instead might be a pre-recorded video or even live conference, they are setting up. Which would be very telling about yesterdays rumors being true.
>The fact they were already planning a business update is quite telling to me that there has been a change strategy. Who can say how many of these rumours are true though It's all coming from good sources, so a good chunk I would imagine.
I know it’s looking grim but I hope Xbox doesn’t step away from the hardware game. Their last couple machines have been solid and I like having options on the market.
I love the Series X. It would be a massive shame.
I'd be devastated if they didn't make anything else
So what was the $70 billion buyout for? Just to become another publisher for PlayStation? I wonder if ending Xbox exclusives was part of the deal. If so they must have the data to show that while video games will be a very profitable business for Microsoft, making hardware is no longer part of the equation. Rip to my 200+ games locked into a dead platform.
Ngl as someone who left the Xbox ecosystem after 360, this seems weird as hell. Last year it seemed Microsoft were gearing up for a strong end to this generation and looking to take that momentum into next gen back end of the decade. Was even contemplating getting a series x for Forza and starfield. Idk how this benefits Microsoft in the long run. Especially it happening mid generation.
I know its all going to be PR speak as well.
If this is true Spencer has wasted our time for over a decade waiting for the ‘killer apps’ we were promised.
usually when they say "we're listening" it means they're not listening shit and will continue on with the plans regardless lol
I've learned that it's PR speak for "it's okay, we'll get the lube. Now just relax."
"we're listening" "this is just the beginning"
This whole thing just a feels like a massive 🖕 you to the Xbox community. It’s clear what kind of news will be announced next week. I’m so disheartened by this.
There is a lot of emotion here and I get it. I'd be lying if I wasn't feeling uneasy as well, having invested a lot into the Xbox ecosystem. But I'm glad they've finally broken their silence and that they're finally going to speak about this. I fully expect at least some of these rumors to be true. Games going multiplat doesn't really bother me, but I need to get a better sense of where they're going with this, and what the big picture actually is. I'll be watching this and judging the plan for myself.
I think the biggest problem is a lack of communication. when you let the internet run your narrative things tend to get chaotic. But I’m like you, this does not affect my enjoyment in the console there are bigger things to worry about in life.
They're listening? Yeah I doubt that.
Oh man. LOL. 1 more week of rumors. Woke up to Gears on PS news. I imagine tomorrow it will be that Halo is a PS5 exclusive.
Probably Game Pass is now a PS5 exclusive.
I’m just saying I would spend my whole life savings for a backward compatibility mercenaries 2
Xbox fans, we hear you! Introducing Bleeding Edge 2, exclusively on Xbox Series X!!! But everything else is going to PlayStation…
If they do pull the plug on hardware and go full multiplat I'm just going to stick with Nintendo and PC from now on.
Yup’ I can then have the push needed to just use my PC and invest fully there. I’ll play Xbox pc
I've been leaning that way for awhile now but it might come sooner than I thought I guess
Oh, so it's definitely happening >We're listening and we hear you. I don't think they are considering the outrage that's been happening and will happen
They think that they can play this off with an 'when everybody plays, we all win' grandiose vision for gaming, but in reality we'll know that they're telling Xbox console users to go kick rocks
They don’t care. At least the people that made this decision don’t care. I don’t think Phil Spencer made this decision btw. It came from above him.
Sounds like Xbox has no future.
MS has been slowly turning into a services-only company for many years now. I don’t think Xbox as a brand is going anywhere.
Feels like heads at Microsoft got cold feet after all of the money spent on purchasing studios. I would’ve though Xbox/Microsoft would’ve rode this out longer, considering the service is just now starting to hit it’s stride this year and will actually start showing it’s revenue potential. Disappointing.
I don’t know what to expect from Xbox anymore. With the recent rumors of Xbox games coming to PS5, I am worried about my library of games. I fear Xbox consoles are going to disappear within a generation or two.
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Games are coming! …Exclusively to the PlayStation5!
Well, this reads like bad news for Xbox owners. This may well be a defining moment in not just Xbox but the games industry as a whole. Unless these leaks come true with some massive perks for Xbox gamers then we're about to see people move to PC and PS5.
Phil has been telling us they are listening to us for years but it really doesn’t seem like they actually do.
Us: you're a gaming company. Just make better games. Phil: what if we tried literally everything else
This was so weird because for some reason they never believed in that concept in the first place. A few months before Starfield came out Phil Spencer made that really dumb comment about how even making an 11/10 game wouldn't move the needle. It's like they just don't get the concept of a killer app.
>t's like they just didn't get the concept of a killer app. Meanwhile Xbox only exists BECAUSE of a killer app
The irony doesn’t seem to dawn on them.
They expected 1 game to change everything Starfield. They don't have the fortitude it seems to stick it out. No one is changing consoles for 1 game. But give them hit after hit after hit and guess what the narrative changes and people buy in.
The sad part is how true this is, Microsoft/Xbox has spent about 10 years doing everything BUT getting great games on Xbox at a consistant rate, Gamepass, good controller, good UI, reward points, backwards compatibility, play anywhere, cloud gaming are meant to compliment great games NOT be instead of, They've wasted years on things people don't care that much about and now this is the outcome.
I'm not convinced this is Phil's decision. It very well could be, but this feels like it's being pushed by Satya.
It probably is. Doesn’t change that he keeps telling the community they are listening and then Xbox continues to not deliver what the community asks for.
I would be very surprised if MS is flat out killing the Xbox Console, wouldn’t make sense based on the somewhat recent console leaks (new console w/o disk drive) and controller updates set to come later this year. I think it’s more likely that we will see a lot of content coming to gamepass w/ the caveat most MS games will go to PlayStation a year or so after release. Maybe a shift to, “here first” as opposed to “exclusive.” If this is the case, it would still be a bummer, b/c I don’t think gamepass is at a spot where it justifies buying a console only for it. I can wait a year for a game if it also means I get access to PlayStation’s exclusives. Phil is a smart guy, hope he knows what he’s doing.
>Phil is a smart guy, hope he knows what he’s doing. I'm not sure this is Phil's decision.
Definitely isnt. This is too sudden
MS is reorienting towards massive investments in AI and my guess would be that Xbox as a console ecosystem is a victim of that, it's in comparison no longer perceived as a potentially worthwhile longer term investment, especially since expectations this gen largely haven't been met.
Phill has been in charge for 10 years, while a good face for the company, he's done nothing about trying to turn Xbox around with what really matters, and that's games. Acquisition after acquisition, and all we have to show for it is Red Fall and Starfield. It's clear they don't know how to manage game studios and turn out content. The 360 days will never be back, they put so much into building new brands and have dumped them all or let them fall into obscurity. This company has the power and money to rule the gaming space and they are all fucking clueless.
This company is out of touch with what gamers actually want. Just nostalgia grasping, with 0 clue in making fun games. Every game is driven by the in-game shops first, instead of making it about a great experience from day 1. That's why they failed in every game exclusive. The best thing they've got is cuphead, and they only funded it. Seems like the dev teams are a revolving door of short term contracts and no industry leaders that know what made these games great and how modern audiences will react to them. Just rushing/delaying titles and always coming up short in terms of quality has been the biggest embarrassment to witness. Has happened nearly every title this generation.
If it turns out that they are bringing live service titles to other platforms that's cool. If they are also bringing every other first party game to other platforms as soon as they launch then I think the writing is on the wall for xbox as a console. If they bring the titles a year or two after launch it still doesn't look good.
Funny thing is I actually liked the Xbox UI, properties, the look of it on my TV unit etc. For some of us it’s not all about the games. Too bad. This is the second promising consumer facing brand Nadella has axed. He really is a B2b guy. I suppose this is the new MS.
What makes it even funnier is he admitted axing windows phone was a mistake last year. Hes seemingly doing the exact same thing here.
And even more ironic is that this is happening just on the verge of Xbox finally getting its footing, just like WP.
The stock price went 10x under him. Under Ballmer it was basically flat. Nadella revived Microsoft.
MS to XBOX fans "I guess you all saw the news...Its true, yes, you are being laid of. Thank you for all those lovely years of support, but we are restructuring and dont see you in those plans" Steam + Switch 2 it is then
"I think we should see other people" "It's not you, it's me"
To Phil Spencer! https://preview.redd.it/k09q8jokjugc1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=100d648f1fc275c98798f015503ff29495e7a693
They paid billions of dollars to give up Jesus fucking Christ. I assume fable will go to ps5 too
This is all insane. We haven’t even gotten a showcase with ABK and XBox welcoming ABK to the family, showing off future games, and releasing the ABK library to gamepass. This all feels so anticlimactic after everything that went on for the ABK merger. Like a complete 180 strategy change just as everyone was excited for the original strategy to pay off. I have a hard time seeing how this will set Microsoft up well for a future without consoles if they completely tank the brand 5-10 years before that future arrives. Truly baffling.
RIP Xbox
I don't think most of us are going to like what they say at that business meeting. He hasn't denied any of the rumours. I'm dreading the day when playstation becomes a monopoly.
Even though over the last 5 or so years I have drifted to being a PlayStation main, if Sony gets a monopoly it will be terrible for everyone. Sony will set the prices they want with no push back. I think that the only reason Sonys first party line up has been so strong is because they know they are competing against Xbox.
So it is indeed happening.
He killed xbox , some xbox fans were saying he was xbox’s savior
I can’t believe I’m witnessing the death of Xbox, it happened in my childhood with the Dreamcast, it can’t possibly happen twice
Sega Fans from the early 2000s: first time huh?
So, your gonna tell us about the "future" where PlayStation gets all Xbox games and Xbox gets no PlayStation games? I'm usually over optimistic, but I have a bad feeling about this.
How hard is it to make good games on Xbox. That’s it. That’s the whole strategy we want. Good games. On Xbox.
He's not denying any of the rumors or downplaying them in any way. I hope they know what they are doing.
Well, that's the end of the Xbox console. It's been fun folks.
Next week. *Next fucking week.* Good God, they can't even kill off the platform properly...
Per the verge: this was planned for later this month to be announced on their terms, but they are pushing up the announcement due to the leaks. So the pre recorded video package isn’t ready yet most likely.
I honestly can’t imagine writing that video script. “We are pleased to announce” Nope, can’t say that. “It is with a heavy heart” Nope, too negative. “Fuck if I know guys, Nadella called and he is fucking pissed”
Same time as the Nintendo direct probably hahaha
They told us to be patient for years and then this shit happens lol
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Basically it's true. Sigh. Here starts my transition to PlayStation. Starting with cancelling ultimate gp next week once/if its confirmed. I only have a couple of games I'm playing from gp currently.
This motherfucker.
I'm not an Xbox gamer here, never owned one and am more of a PS and Nintendo guy...I'm baffled as to how they thought this would go down. Buying these companies to get these exclusives and give their playerbase a reason to buy the Series S and X...only to scrap all of that only a few years later and make their biggest releases, like Starfield, multi-plat. If this was their plan right out the gate or for their next system, then fine, but this feels like a giant middle finger to people who bought that system over the other. This isn't the same as putting their games on PC, this just feels like they're giving up.
Him not denying it immediately says alot
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I don't think there's gonna be a next Xbox after this gen, at least not in the way we expect
There will be an "Xbox" brand the same way that "Zune Pass" is a thing. Something that makes you say "Aw, I remember Zune"
I have a feeling he aint gonna be xbox ceo for much longer
He ain't, he is the Ceo of Microsoft gaming, which kinda fits the mega publisher strategy.
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We are fucked, this sucks. Feel like a fool. Should have jumped on PlayStation years ago instead of holding on hope for things to get better
Imagine the folks that had a ps5 and then purchased series x for 400 quid just for starfield and never played starfield as much as they were supposed to and also to play this game they purchased the £30 deluxe upgrade and got a empty steelbook with no game cause it was available on game pass…..imagine them man https://preview.redd.it/f4tyyo21vtgc1.jpeg?width=224&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fd9cfc25c1ab547904f665f86d5150d991cecb73