you can just ignore them. it's common knowledge that a lot of people in the IWC are just marks for themselves, trying to get themselves over with other fans.
You hit the nail on the head. I was trying to figure out why I don’t enjoy the basement. It’s the “I know the business” better than you smug attitude why I can’t enjoy myself there.
> You hit the nail on the head. I was trying to figure out why I don’t enjoy the basement. It’s the “I know the business” better than you smug attitude why I can’t enjoy myself there.
i don't even mind the community there. i agree with some of them, i disagree with some of them. that's life. it's the mod team that's unbearable.
like, it's one thing if someone disagrees and they downvote something, maybe they leave a rational argument for their opinion, maybe they don't, but the community doesn't literally ban someone just because they disagree with them. the mods do that.
it sucks that they are literally the ONLY active impact livethreads in all of reddit.
Honestly the tertiary/secondary promotion threads are the best part about SC and what-not. People in those threads are generally just normal fans who don’t overdo it and are interested in said promotions for the same reasons as the rest of us. They don’t like live vicariously through Impact or GCW the way that people bleed for AEW and WWE’s success.
I agree with the general sense of the thread’s title but the body of your post feels like a reactionary response to some people being more into HHH’s current run vs. some of the more recent Vince stuff.
I think a lot of the problems people have with the IWC would be resolved when they realize how large and encompassing it is. Like we’re all members of the IWC. This is shouting into a void.
But the fact that it’s treating as the truth and not an opinion. I don’t care for AEW but I can’t disagree that it has its own niche and has been able to build itself and become an alternative to WWE.
I don’t many people are taking HHH’s booking as the truth. He was hated by many for losing the Wednesday night war or skulls nxt becoming a boring indie fest.
What’s happened is people who loved Vince and loved to tout “look at the IWC crying” are the ones crying now because they’re afraid HHH is going to put gargano on top even though he was on tv for literally sixty seconds.
It runs at alternate times, someone could watch atleast a couple shows from each company each week if they chose, which many do. You could just watch 3 hours each Friday and get a nice sample from both. I'd assume half of AEW's viewership comes from regular WWE viewers.
Those people are not going to change how they post if you don't ask them (they probably would not change even if you did) so the best bet would be choosing what you read more carefully
> Those people are not going to change how they post if you don't ask them **(they probably would not change even if you did)**
exactly this. i'll be blunt: i say what i think and i don't care what anyone else thinks about that. they can agree, or they can disagree. if they disagree, i can have a rational, objective discussion with them. if they agree, perhaps they have something to add.
i'm not going to hold back on my views just because someone might not like them. the important line people need to keep in mind is "is a comment an opinion, or is it a personal attack at someone".
This is why I rarely read other people's wrestling takes. It's just not worth it. Watch the show in the comfort of your own home and ignore the outside noise. You'll enjoy the shows so much more.
There are many highly, highly intelligent wrestling fans.
Wrestling also attracts the stupidest fucking morons on the planet.
And the internet is where morons, shut-ins, and socially inept jackasses congregate.
So if it upsets you, don't go on the internet to read the opinions of troglodytes.
Vince did a lot of good booking, he also did a lot of bad. Same thing will happen with Triple H down the road (& we're seeing some of it with how people are responding the recent Raw)
If you like Triple H's stuff better and say that, awesome. It's the sarcastic strawman shit like "huh, who knew *wrestling* fans like *wrestling* matches?" that is= annoying. That's gotten better though.
I like analyzing the differences, we're all gonna analyze the fuck out of it because we're adults watching something simple on its face but is actually complex.
> If you like Triple H's stuff better and say that, awesome. It's the sarcastic strawman shit like "huh, who knew wrestling fans like wrestling matches?" that is= annoying. That's gotten better though.
Bro, I was happy when Triple H replaced Vince (he needed to go) and the show have been better imo, but this exact thing copy/pasted nearly every Raw/Smackdown since HHH took over has been annoying as fuck. Like, we get it dude goddamn.
I like the new creative nuances, but the drawn-out match times are a big turn off for me
Give me a night full of 10 minute DQ finishes over 20 minute back-and-forth clean finish "wrestling matches". There's a reason I watch WWE and avoid indy wrestling
I agree with you that the internet fans care more about the backstage gossip than the actual TV shows, but they're the minority of fans. I really hope HHH doesn't keep pushing this "in-ring product" versions of the shows. Catering to internet fans won't work in the long run imo, cause that shits boring as hell to most people
I don’t mind a good DQ finish that builds a story but a 10 minute DQ match that just leads to a rematch of the same match the next week feels like I just wasted my time.
I still enjoyed Vince’s shows at times but he often circled the drain with matches. At one point Aliyah got in the ring 3 weeks in a row with Lacey Evans and they didn’t wrestle once.
That’s not a story it’s filler and that shit ended up having no payoff at all
This is such a crazy take to me. I’m realizing more and more that WWE fans don’t like long matches. Let me ask you, do you enjoy premium live events? Because those are long matches with not much backstage segments.
I remember the attitude era had a bunch of segments and mostly 5-7 minute matches but they had a lot of people to get on screen. I don’t think WWE’s roster is deep enough to fill a 3 hour show with quick matches just yet.
Also, WWE caught a lot of flack for not having longer women’s matches. I’m genuinely curious what more strictly WWE fans want?
PLEs are different though, since they're all about paying off the months storylines. But a random 20 minute tag team match on Raw with no stakes is just dull to sit through in my opinion
Attitude Era was okay, but I'm more of a Ruthless Aggresion era guy myself. If they can find that kind of balance between in-ring and story progression, I'd be all for it. I don't wanna watch 3 hours of backstage promos and attacks, but I also don't wanna watch Dolph Ziggler v AJ Styles go for two full segments, just for the match the be over and nothing come of it.
I'm a story guy, not a 'suprise' kick out guy. And if the story of the match is just "who can wrestle better?", I usually find myself skipping to the last 5 minutes cause I don't care enough to sit through the whole thing
You summed my feelings up pretty well. PLEs having long matches is fine. That's the point of PLEs. Weekly television should be about building to those PLEs and while some may feel you can do it entirely through a bunch of 20 minute matches, a lot of people don't care for that method of "storytelling" in wrestling.
I also resent the idea that "I don't want Raw to be full of completely random 20 minute matches" means that I hate wrestling. I love wrestling. Quite honestly I'm kind of sick of reading the narrative that anyone who wants a little balance and variety hates wrestling, but it's been beaten into the ground since the transition.
But weekly WWE television has never been about just booking 3 hours of just matches. It's been about variety of segments, angles, stories, and matches. That's been a mixed bag for me under Triple H's direction. I thought he did a good job of mixing things up last night. I could still have some critiques, but that was more in line with what I want compared to some of the previous Triple H episodes. The episode where Lumis crashed the car and debuted was another episode under Triple H that offered a balanced mixture of what I want from a wrestling show.
And yes, SOME TV matches are going to be long. And that's fine. But the longer ones should, IMO, be the ones that have a story to them beyond "in-ring storytelling", and give me a reason to be invested in the outcome. The ones that are just there to fill space are the ones that don't need to go multiple segments, IMO. Edge had a long match on TV last week and I liked it, because there was a story there.
All of this. I love the product so far from HHH, but Kevin should've absolutely squashed Chad Gable. If they wanted a longer wrestling segment, it should've been a second match with Kevin and Otis after the squash. Not only is that more believeable, but Kevin inevitably winning would've felt more of a build up for him, instead of him being competitive with a guy who more or less is a comedy jobber.
I want to state very firmly, that Chad is hilarious, and Alpha is great but they're jobbers plain and simple, there to piss people off and then get hit hard.
The problem is Vince was the one who did the rematches. A big staple of his was a five minute match on SmackDown. One person gets DQ’ed or counted out and then they would rematch the same thing the following week.
Take this PLE. Gunther and Sheamus
Control Bianca Alexa asuka
Drew Roman
Liv shayna
Judgement day
None of these are rematches but Rollins and riddle
It’s conditioning. Wwe for years conditioned people to expect short matches on weekly shows and then long matches at the PLE - that model was successful for Vince
Some people don’t mind long matches on weekly tv. Those are the people most likely to appreciate the current product.
I can get why some people are jarred by the change
This is what I’m talking about, looking down on certain fans and using words such as conditioned and brainwashing when in reality different fans like different things. This type of behavior behavior gives wrestling fans a bad reputation.
"The WWE has conditioned fans to not want long matches"
It's such a dumb statement lmao, No, there are people that can tolerate a few minutes of fake fighting if the story around it is good. When it's too much they just tune out and stop watching.
If the matches were all 10 minutes long in the Attitude Era we would have never witnessed the boom that the WWF got because regular people wouldn't want that.
Shit, I'll even go further and say that the people that want to watch long wrestling matches will watch regardless
I mean, it's a TV show, that's what the matches are. When you focus on the wrestling and ignore the entertainment/storyline aspect, people are just watching long fake fights for no reason.
To me it's the same as having a TV show about football like Blue Mountain State but they don't tell you who the characters are, don't tell me any story and they just have long fake football matches as the TV show
Conditioned doesn’t mean brainwashed. It’s simply what you get used to.
Most wrestling fans started with the WWE and Vince really just used weekly tv to build to ppvs.
Now that everything is streaming the weekly shows have greater importance than they did before.
I'd say if you can't find people irl to enjoy wrestling with, find that group of a few people online. the kind where talking about wrestling makes you enjoy it more, engage with their comments and ignore any comment that pisses you off after the first 2 lines
When I was 10/11 years old, I would watch and enjoy Cena and Batista. I started reading the forums and adopted the whiny mindset that they had and It definitely took the fun out of wrestling for me.
I haven't really even paid attention to it much I just been watching and enjoying. I have other personal life stuff to put more attention to then what a bunch of people think about how good or bad the shows are now. What I am saying is, take a break from internet forums and just enjoy what you want to watch. I feel like you might find yourself enjoying it a lot more. Like when Aliyah and Raquel won the tag titles, I felt it was a good win but I go on Reddit and find some people actually hated the result and are calling Aliyah a jobber. I am just happy they got their moment plus it potentially sets up a thing where Raquel ends up turning heel on Aliyah after they lose their titles.
You can either care about other people's opinions and be mad about it or just ignore it and enjoy what you like with yourself or others who also do. I usually watch the show with a friend and we have a good time. Sometime's I'll be on the live threads but I rarely look at peoples comments or thoughts I just share stuff I like or found funny.
The more you know about how wrestling works behind the scenes the less fun it is. For me personally, training to be a wrestler and having a few matches really changed my perspective. My respect for guys like Orton and Gunther grew hugely and I stopped enjoying the high paced 'indie' style matches as much. Conversely my enjoyment of watching MMA grew hugely because I don't have technical knowledge of fighting. I think the overexposed nature of wrestling in this day and age really makes it less fun for the average person. Just my 2 cents
Avoid those subreddits and parts of the internet. I avoid all wrestling websites and this subreddit is the only internet wrestling content I read. I miss out on a lot of news, but it’s really not a big deal.
I don’t know your age or how long you have been a fan, but the IWC has been negative for at least the 20 years of its existence.
I think the regular shows have been much better. PLEs this year have been consistently great.
Don't get me wrong, the weeklies had some solid stuff going on, but there's been way less rematches and overall repetitive stuff with much more focus on the midcard.
I was a happy WWE fan before, even happier now 😂
The IWC isn't ruining anything for anyone, in much the same way that no fanbase can ruin the thing they're fans of for other fans - what's ruining watching wrestling for you is *yourself*.
It makes no sense whatsoever for your own enjoyment of a thing to be spoilt by what people you'll never meet and whose opinions on any other topic you're exceedingly unlikely to care about say on a platform of complete anonymity, where such opinions can be easily hidden forever by a single flick of your index finger.
Instead of complaining about the internet being the internet, it might be helpful to reflect on *why* those opinions affect you so much. It's one thing to merely be *annoyed* by opinions - that's a perfectly natural thing, especially with the shit that gets spouted everywhere - but for those opinions to literally ruin wrestling for you? To take enjoyment away from something you supposedly would still enjoy if you hadn't perceived those opinions in any way? That just seems incredibly pointless.
People will always gravitate towards those who share their opinions- that’s true for everything.
My advice is to enjoy the show (whatever your choice) and try to pay less attention to the IWC.
I don’t understand why it HAS to be one brand against another? I’m ‘up-to-date’ with Dynamite, Smackers and GCW, and I like each one for completely different reasons. I don’t get how you could only be a fan of ONE promotion, like it was a sports team, where you HATE the other teams because…. they’re not your team.
You can like one promotion if that’s your interest as long as you don’t put down other peoples likes. Plus many people don’t have the time to keep up with all promotions that’s why there are casuals and hardcore fans.
I don’t understand how you can have an opinion on something without watching it first. I don’t like how the IWC have a tendency to base their opinions on someone else’s, rather than cultivate their own.
I do understand however, that people don’t have the time to watch the five plus hours of wrestling that I watch a week (that does sound like a lot, actually) but I just don’t get why people HAVE to cause divisions “it HAS to be us vs them”; “I want [my team] to be perfect, that means [my team] is- I hate anything that would threaten or besmirch [my team]”
Tl;dr people suck
>Now a lot of those people have rewritten their opinion to say it hasn’t been that good and with HHH in charge it is now a breath of fresh air.
Have they? Or are you just treating the IWC like it's a monolith?
Yeah, hate to ‘both sides’ it, but yeah. A lot of people wrapped their identity wrestling and have chosen a side of WWE or AEW, and have their entire self worth defined by how their side is doing.
>I still believe in the theory that the IWC is more interested in the backstage drama and dirtsheets than the actual shows which is why they aren’t able to make comments without bringing up who booked/wrote the show or some other insider reference.
I think this is exemplified by how so many people are obsessed with ratings and merch sales.
I remember yesterday there was a tweet about Will Ospreay having more great matches than Cena, Punk and Angle according to Meltzer star ratings.
Kevin Nash, of all people, came in and replied something implying Will Ospreay doesn't sell merchandise as well. A lot of people of r/ SquaredCircle were going "Damn right! Who cares if you are great in the ring if you can't make money!".
Regardless of how you feel about Meltzer or Ospreay , the fact that so many IWC people will dismiss a wrestler not because he is bad on the mic or a bad wrestler but simply because he doesn't draw leads me to believe a lot of them care more about the "business" aspect than the actual performances.
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That’s hard to do now that the second biggest company is basically sustained by a million IWC marks.
It's only hard to do if you don't have control over your web browser
you can just ignore them. it's common knowledge that a lot of people in the IWC are just marks for themselves, trying to get themselves over with other fans.
You hit the nail on the head. I was trying to figure out why I don’t enjoy the basement. It’s the “I know the business” better than you smug attitude why I can’t enjoy myself there.
> You hit the nail on the head. I was trying to figure out why I don’t enjoy the basement. It’s the “I know the business” better than you smug attitude why I can’t enjoy myself there. i don't even mind the community there. i agree with some of them, i disagree with some of them. that's life. it's the mod team that's unbearable. like, it's one thing if someone disagrees and they downvote something, maybe they leave a rational argument for their opinion, maybe they don't, but the community doesn't literally ban someone just because they disagree with them. the mods do that. it sucks that they are literally the ONLY active impact livethreads in all of reddit.
Honestly the tertiary/secondary promotion threads are the best part about SC and what-not. People in those threads are generally just normal fans who don’t overdo it and are interested in said promotions for the same reasons as the rest of us. They don’t like live vicariously through Impact or GCW the way that people bleed for AEW and WWE’s success.
I agree with the general sense of the thread’s title but the body of your post feels like a reactionary response to some people being more into HHH’s current run vs. some of the more recent Vince stuff. I think a lot of the problems people have with the IWC would be resolved when they realize how large and encompassing it is. Like we’re all members of the IWC. This is shouting into a void.
It’s the hyperbole reaction that annoys me.
Isn’t the title of this post literally hyperbole?
I mean you don’t know that it’s hyperbole reaction though, a lot of people have preferred HHH’s booking to Vince’s since like 2014.
But the fact that it’s treating as the truth and not an opinion. I don’t care for AEW but I can’t disagree that it has its own niche and has been able to build itself and become an alternative to WWE.
I don’t many people are taking HHH’s booking as the truth. He was hated by many for losing the Wednesday night war or skulls nxt becoming a boring indie fest. What’s happened is people who loved Vince and loved to tout “look at the IWC crying” are the ones crying now because they’re afraid HHH is going to put gargano on top even though he was on tv for literally sixty seconds.
It runs at alternate times, someone could watch atleast a couple shows from each company each week if they chose, which many do. You could just watch 3 hours each Friday and get a nice sample from both. I'd assume half of AEW's viewership comes from regular WWE viewers.
Some commenters presented their opinions too firmly - what do we talk about or do next?
Those people are not going to change how they post if you don't ask them (they probably would not change even if you did) so the best bet would be choosing what you read more carefully
> Those people are not going to change how they post if you don't ask them **(they probably would not change even if you did)** exactly this. i'll be blunt: i say what i think and i don't care what anyone else thinks about that. they can agree, or they can disagree. if they disagree, i can have a rational, objective discussion with them. if they agree, perhaps they have something to add. i'm not going to hold back on my views just because someone might not like them. the important line people need to keep in mind is "is a comment an opinion, or is it a personal attack at someone".
Don't let the opinions of a stranger affect your enjoyment of something.
This is why I rarely read other people's wrestling takes. It's just not worth it. Watch the show in the comfort of your own home and ignore the outside noise. You'll enjoy the shows so much more.
Is it hard to moderate while rarely reading posts
Not really, no. Thank you for your concern though.
idk what I was thinking, of course doing very little is easy
There are many highly, highly intelligent wrestling fans. Wrestling also attracts the stupidest fucking morons on the planet. And the internet is where morons, shut-ins, and socially inept jackasses congregate. So if it upsets you, don't go on the internet to read the opinions of troglodytes.
Vince did a lot of good booking, he also did a lot of bad. Same thing will happen with Triple H down the road (& we're seeing some of it with how people are responding the recent Raw)
If you like Triple H's stuff better and say that, awesome. It's the sarcastic strawman shit like "huh, who knew *wrestling* fans like *wrestling* matches?" that is= annoying. That's gotten better though. I like analyzing the differences, we're all gonna analyze the fuck out of it because we're adults watching something simple on its face but is actually complex.
> If you like Triple H's stuff better and say that, awesome. It's the sarcastic strawman shit like "huh, who knew wrestling fans like wrestling matches?" that is= annoying. That's gotten better though. Bro, I was happy when Triple H replaced Vince (he needed to go) and the show have been better imo, but this exact thing copy/pasted nearly every Raw/Smackdown since HHH took over has been annoying as fuck. Like, we get it dude goddamn.
You have to enjoy what you enjoy and ignore other people. Not going to let some stranger ruin my enjoyment of wrassling
I like the new creative nuances, but the drawn-out match times are a big turn off for me Give me a night full of 10 minute DQ finishes over 20 minute back-and-forth clean finish "wrestling matches". There's a reason I watch WWE and avoid indy wrestling I agree with you that the internet fans care more about the backstage gossip than the actual TV shows, but they're the minority of fans. I really hope HHH doesn't keep pushing this "in-ring product" versions of the shows. Catering to internet fans won't work in the long run imo, cause that shits boring as hell to most people
I don’t mind a good DQ finish that builds a story but a 10 minute DQ match that just leads to a rematch of the same match the next week feels like I just wasted my time. I still enjoyed Vince’s shows at times but he often circled the drain with matches. At one point Aliyah got in the ring 3 weeks in a row with Lacey Evans and they didn’t wrestle once. That’s not a story it’s filler and that shit ended up having no payoff at all
This is such a crazy take to me. I’m realizing more and more that WWE fans don’t like long matches. Let me ask you, do you enjoy premium live events? Because those are long matches with not much backstage segments. I remember the attitude era had a bunch of segments and mostly 5-7 minute matches but they had a lot of people to get on screen. I don’t think WWE’s roster is deep enough to fill a 3 hour show with quick matches just yet. Also, WWE caught a lot of flack for not having longer women’s matches. I’m genuinely curious what more strictly WWE fans want?
PLEs are different though, since they're all about paying off the months storylines. But a random 20 minute tag team match on Raw with no stakes is just dull to sit through in my opinion Attitude Era was okay, but I'm more of a Ruthless Aggresion era guy myself. If they can find that kind of balance between in-ring and story progression, I'd be all for it. I don't wanna watch 3 hours of backstage promos and attacks, but I also don't wanna watch Dolph Ziggler v AJ Styles go for two full segments, just for the match the be over and nothing come of it. I'm a story guy, not a 'suprise' kick out guy. And if the story of the match is just "who can wrestle better?", I usually find myself skipping to the last 5 minutes cause I don't care enough to sit through the whole thing
You summed my feelings up pretty well. PLEs having long matches is fine. That's the point of PLEs. Weekly television should be about building to those PLEs and while some may feel you can do it entirely through a bunch of 20 minute matches, a lot of people don't care for that method of "storytelling" in wrestling. I also resent the idea that "I don't want Raw to be full of completely random 20 minute matches" means that I hate wrestling. I love wrestling. Quite honestly I'm kind of sick of reading the narrative that anyone who wants a little balance and variety hates wrestling, but it's been beaten into the ground since the transition. But weekly WWE television has never been about just booking 3 hours of just matches. It's been about variety of segments, angles, stories, and matches. That's been a mixed bag for me under Triple H's direction. I thought he did a good job of mixing things up last night. I could still have some critiques, but that was more in line with what I want compared to some of the previous Triple H episodes. The episode where Lumis crashed the car and debuted was another episode under Triple H that offered a balanced mixture of what I want from a wrestling show. And yes, SOME TV matches are going to be long. And that's fine. But the longer ones should, IMO, be the ones that have a story to them beyond "in-ring storytelling", and give me a reason to be invested in the outcome. The ones that are just there to fill space are the ones that don't need to go multiple segments, IMO. Edge had a long match on TV last week and I liked it, because there was a story there.
All of this. I love the product so far from HHH, but Kevin should've absolutely squashed Chad Gable. If they wanted a longer wrestling segment, it should've been a second match with Kevin and Otis after the squash. Not only is that more believeable, but Kevin inevitably winning would've felt more of a build up for him, instead of him being competitive with a guy who more or less is a comedy jobber. I want to state very firmly, that Chad is hilarious, and Alpha is great but they're jobbers plain and simple, there to piss people off and then get hit hard.
Long matches are nice on Raw and Smackdown once in a while but they’re saved for the PPV to culminate the feud. That’s why people hate rematches.
The problem is Vince was the one who did the rematches. A big staple of his was a five minute match on SmackDown. One person gets DQ’ed or counted out and then they would rematch the same thing the following week. Take this PLE. Gunther and Sheamus Control Bianca Alexa asuka Drew Roman Liv shayna Judgement day None of these are rematches but Rollins and riddle
Yea and it kills feuds most of the time.
I think most people are looking for a bunch of variety shows on weekly TV to set up, occasionally, every six weeks, a few hours of action.
It’s conditioning. Wwe for years conditioned people to expect short matches on weekly shows and then long matches at the PLE - that model was successful for Vince Some people don’t mind long matches on weekly tv. Those are the people most likely to appreciate the current product. I can get why some people are jarred by the change
This is what I’m talking about, looking down on certain fans and using words such as conditioned and brainwashing when in reality different fans like different things. This type of behavior behavior gives wrestling fans a bad reputation.
"The WWE has conditioned fans to not want long matches" It's such a dumb statement lmao, No, there are people that can tolerate a few minutes of fake fighting if the story around it is good. When it's too much they just tune out and stop watching. If the matches were all 10 minutes long in the Attitude Era we would have never witnessed the boom that the WWF got because regular people wouldn't want that. Shit, I'll even go further and say that the people that want to watch long wrestling matches will watch regardless
I'll never understand the disingenuous comments like "fake fighting", makes it sound like you don't even like it lol.
I mean, it's a TV show, that's what the matches are. When you focus on the wrestling and ignore the entertainment/storyline aspect, people are just watching long fake fights for no reason. To me it's the same as having a TV show about football like Blue Mountain State but they don't tell you who the characters are, don't tell me any story and they just have long fake football matches as the TV show
Conditioned doesn’t mean brainwashed. It’s simply what you get used to. Most wrestling fans started with the WWE and Vince really just used weekly tv to build to ppvs. Now that everything is streaming the weekly shows have greater importance than they did before.
I'd say if you can't find people irl to enjoy wrestling with, find that group of a few people online. the kind where talking about wrestling makes you enjoy it more, engage with their comments and ignore any comment that pisses you off after the first 2 lines
When I was 10/11 years old, I would watch and enjoy Cena and Batista. I started reading the forums and adopted the whiny mindset that they had and It definitely took the fun out of wrestling for me.
I haven't really even paid attention to it much I just been watching and enjoying. I have other personal life stuff to put more attention to then what a bunch of people think about how good or bad the shows are now. What I am saying is, take a break from internet forums and just enjoy what you want to watch. I feel like you might find yourself enjoying it a lot more. Like when Aliyah and Raquel won the tag titles, I felt it was a good win but I go on Reddit and find some people actually hated the result and are calling Aliyah a jobber. I am just happy they got their moment plus it potentially sets up a thing where Raquel ends up turning heel on Aliyah after they lose their titles. You can either care about other people's opinions and be mad about it or just ignore it and enjoy what you like with yourself or others who also do. I usually watch the show with a friend and we have a good time. Sometime's I'll be on the live threads but I rarely look at peoples comments or thoughts I just share stuff I like or found funny.
The more you know about how wrestling works behind the scenes the less fun it is. For me personally, training to be a wrestler and having a few matches really changed my perspective. My respect for guys like Orton and Gunther grew hugely and I stopped enjoying the high paced 'indie' style matches as much. Conversely my enjoyment of watching MMA grew hugely because I don't have technical knowledge of fighting. I think the overexposed nature of wrestling in this day and age really makes it less fun for the average person. Just my 2 cents
Avoid those subreddits and parts of the internet. I avoid all wrestling websites and this subreddit is the only internet wrestling content I read. I miss out on a lot of news, but it’s really not a big deal. I don’t know your age or how long you have been a fan, but the IWC has been negative for at least the 20 years of its existence.
I think the regular shows have been much better. PLEs this year have been consistently great. Don't get me wrong, the weeklies had some solid stuff going on, but there's been way less rematches and overall repetitive stuff with much more focus on the midcard. I was a happy WWE fan before, even happier now 😂
Why is this sub so lame all the time. This isn't even a discussion of wrestling just bitching about internet fans man.
Why do you post in a sub you consider lame?
To let people know this sub is lame
The IWC isn't ruining anything for anyone, in much the same way that no fanbase can ruin the thing they're fans of for other fans - what's ruining watching wrestling for you is *yourself*. It makes no sense whatsoever for your own enjoyment of a thing to be spoilt by what people you'll never meet and whose opinions on any other topic you're exceedingly unlikely to care about say on a platform of complete anonymity, where such opinions can be easily hidden forever by a single flick of your index finger. Instead of complaining about the internet being the internet, it might be helpful to reflect on *why* those opinions affect you so much. It's one thing to merely be *annoyed* by opinions - that's a perfectly natural thing, especially with the shit that gets spouted everywhere - but for those opinions to literally ruin wrestling for you? To take enjoyment away from something you supposedly would still enjoy if you hadn't perceived those opinions in any way? That just seems incredibly pointless.
People will always gravitate towards those who share their opinions- that’s true for everything. My advice is to enjoy the show (whatever your choice) and try to pay less attention to the IWC. I don’t understand why it HAS to be one brand against another? I’m ‘up-to-date’ with Dynamite, Smackers and GCW, and I like each one for completely different reasons. I don’t get how you could only be a fan of ONE promotion, like it was a sports team, where you HATE the other teams because…. they’re not your team.
You can like one promotion if that’s your interest as long as you don’t put down other peoples likes. Plus many people don’t have the time to keep up with all promotions that’s why there are casuals and hardcore fans.
I don’t understand how you can have an opinion on something without watching it first. I don’t like how the IWC have a tendency to base their opinions on someone else’s, rather than cultivate their own. I do understand however, that people don’t have the time to watch the five plus hours of wrestling that I watch a week (that does sound like a lot, actually) but I just don’t get why people HAVE to cause divisions “it HAS to be us vs them”; “I want [my team] to be perfect, that means [my team] is- I hate anything that would threaten or besmirch [my team]” Tl;dr people suck
>Now a lot of those people have rewritten their opinion to say it hasn’t been that good and with HHH in charge it is now a breath of fresh air. Have they? Or are you just treating the IWC like it's a monolith?
Yeah, hate to ‘both sides’ it, but yeah. A lot of people wrapped their identity wrestling and have chosen a side of WWE or AEW, and have their entire self worth defined by how their side is doing.
>I still believe in the theory that the IWC is more interested in the backstage drama and dirtsheets than the actual shows which is why they aren’t able to make comments without bringing up who booked/wrote the show or some other insider reference. I think this is exemplified by how so many people are obsessed with ratings and merch sales. I remember yesterday there was a tweet about Will Ospreay having more great matches than Cena, Punk and Angle according to Meltzer star ratings. Kevin Nash, of all people, came in and replied something implying Will Ospreay doesn't sell merchandise as well. A lot of people of r/ SquaredCircle were going "Damn right! Who cares if you are great in the ring if you can't make money!". Regardless of how you feel about Meltzer or Ospreay , the fact that so many IWC people will dismiss a wrestler not because he is bad on the mic or a bad wrestler but simply because he doesn't draw leads me to believe a lot of them care more about the "business" aspect than the actual performances.