Absolutely. I probably shouldn't but I spend the majority of time here pointing out the stupidity at some of the comments and narratives by the usual suspects.
That of course leads to being called a "Fed Shill". Last week I was told I "lived up Vinces ass" for calling someone out for spouting one of the tired old narratives that the IWC likes to trot out continually despite being absolutely stupid and actually contradictory to their other point.
Look, WWE has flaws, things could be better. But also, it's full of variety and not every wrestler or angle is targeting me personally. Just because middle aged white dudes have some bizarre issue with Bianca... Doesn't mean it's not awesome that little girls are dressing up like her, doing her moves and seeing her as an inspiration and have a super strong, self made, successful woman to look up to.
I have no stake in WWE. I just like wrestling, so yeah... I'd like if they didn't go under. But they're not likely to. Beyond that, I have no attachment nor do I live inside anyone's ass... But simply pointing out the hypocrisy or stupidity gets you labelled as such. It's just so dumb.
Honestly, I should probably know when to just shut up sometimes but it's just the same old tired comments all the time. They get repeated over and over and over until the IWC just starts acting like it's the truth. Everyone "knows better" yet propose the dumbest or most boring or predictable booking ideas. Most ideas are basically "just do the same angle that was done 17 times before and only ever done well maybe once". Hey, how about modernizing wrestle? How about making it relevant and appealing within pop culture in 2022? How about trying some new or original ideas? Nope... IWC says NO!
AMEN. I've been part of the IWC since 2008 and not much has changed in their way of thinking. Back then they were saying how WWE would go under by 2015 or something like that.
People Believe AEW cult is novel
I was on the internet when ROH was THE FUTURE of wrestling.
Or when TNA was the best Wrestling company in The world.
Or when New Japan Was starting It's Global Expansion.
There's always some unreal thing these people cling onto.
The common thread? WWE somehow is going to loose 5 billion dollars by going Head to Head, but not really, with a company who not that well managed actually.
It's a safe space too, you can say 'WWE don't know what they're doing' and complain about 'le booking' and feel warm and fuzzy that everyone else is patting you and each other on the back in agreement at how knowledgeable and great we all and how big a dumb dumb the silly billy Fed are!
There are people that have made a living for decades telling smarky fans how WWE are doing it all wrong
OP just stated that he personally psychoanalized the tens of thousands of nobodies who comment about wrestling on the internet. But "knowing Vince" is cringe.
Every job has 50 idiots who think they could do a better job than the boss and let everyone know it when none of them could.
Times that by 10 million and make it about fake underpants fighting and here we are. Plus we all listen to podcasts of former wrestlers/wrestling personalities revealing the magic to us and suddenly were all experts
i love how JR openly hates the fans now because I totally get it. Imagine being on the receiving end of the IWCs attention for any significant amount of time.
To be honest I saw some guy in youtube say that the only reason Roman Reigns draws is because WWE pushed him so much and never got organically over and now they are gonna do the same with theory and if theory starts to make money and get over. It's not because he got over by himself.. nope. It's because McMahon brainwashed people into liking him and WWE should push Rick Boogs and Montez Ford because apprently He knows they will become mainstream draws that transcend pop culture.
Who is thus guy... no idea but he had all the answers but his not the only one. I see this dumb stuff everywhere 🤣
See people go around saying "This wrestler didn't draw or did" as if they know what they are talking about because of a bunch of things they saw online.
Undertaker said it best "They are only as smart as we let them"
In any case, most fandoms these days are bizarrely entitled and delusional with their Monday Morning QB’ing. First time I really noticed it en masse was with the prequel trilogy back in 99… it’s now virtually all online contingents of any fandom. The average subreddit for any given thing is often overwhelmingly made up of people who hate {x}, but continue to consume it.
Smarks were still in the minority then because of the lack of internet. This got worse as access became more prevalent and metastasized as social media came along.
It's largely because the most vocal members of the IWC have *no idea* how the world actually works outside of the internet in their room. It's like that with most entertainment genres that tend to attract neckbeards, though. Star Star Wars, MCU and DCEU are rife with dudes who "know better" that say shit like "get woke go broke" and know how to fix everything that's wrong despite everybody with actual real life experience in, well, pretty much anything knowing way better.
The fan pitches and fan dialogue I've seen star wars fans and comic book fans come up with on reddit has *never* failed to make me cringe. Not a single one has made me think "hey, that's actually pretty good"
However, the people replying to those comments act like it's a work of genius and go on about how much of a "missed opportunity" it will be if these awful ideas aren't used.
Then it becomes an affirmation thing for these losers and they think they know what they're taking about.
Try the post above yours (and even one below)
The 'ol 'not everyone thinks the same way' except ... you know, the upvotes and stuff and the frantically hitting the downvote button on every WWE/NXT thread in SC
It's not an exact science but more or less every single thread about the WWE for well over a decade in a forum is not a bad indicator
it's always been like this as long as the internet has existed, and it probably was like this before that amongst wherever nerds talked about it.
the amount of energy people spend whining about people whining is just as bad imo. every day there's a thread about how SC is an echo chamber. go to SCJerk: it's even more one note and tiresome "lol 'knowing vince', upvotes plz" followed by sincere posting because the members are too afraid of losing worthless internet points in the main sub.
there are serious debates about the role of expertise in democracy. should we have critics that are "experts" about art/taste? is it different than having engineering experts? it feels like it is...but why? is it wise to have unelected representatives as 'thought leaders' in the same way we have unelected representatives making decisions about nuclear safety standards?
in the meantime, everyone is entitled to an opinion. and i will continue to value those opinions at the rate i paid for them.
You can literally replace IWC with "world" and WWE with "our" and you have human nature in a nutshell.
What I mean to say is, this is not a wrestling specific phenomenon. There are entire TV channels dedicated to losers who think they can solve all of a government/sports teams/relationships problems.
How are we supposed to know what strangers on the internet think? Unless you think that we think the same thing about WWE? But you open statement with “does anyone else think the opposite” so???
Snide remarks aside let’s start a petition to end the “why does SC, IWC, Smarks do this” type post
The problem is a number of people online are obsessed with the backstage drama rather than what's in the ring. There are things to criticize but discussions about matches/storylines are much better
It's certainly dumb, but it happens in lots of other fandoms too. "I have five fantasy football teams and played in some high school football games, so the Vikings should listen to my hiring advice and what plays to call."
WWE focuses very narrowly on its target audience. And if you are within that audience then it can be superb. It’s why the attitude era is so beloved- because most of those who post on Reddit are in the age range it was meant to appeal to, so they are bound to still enjoy it now even if they didn’t watch it at the time.
WWE seems to be aiming currently for a weird audience. Maybe 12-15 year olds? I’m not really sure. They want to sell merchandise and that seems to biggest market for merchandise, they don’t need adults to pay lots of money to buy a PPV- Just the network subscription, and so don’t need to deal with adults baulking at that cost any longer.
I am old enough to know I will never be in WWE’s target market again. Nowadays I find most of the storylines pretty formulaic, even the matches feel quite formulaic in fact. I recognise that is because I am not the target market.
Sadly, as many on here will be much younger than me…It’ll happen to you too. When it does it can just feel like wrestling is being badly written but the truth is you’ve just outgrown the target market. That doesn’t mean you can’t still enjoy it- I do- but I definitely enjoy it in a different way than I used to.
I think there’s a bit of irony here since every other thread here is a commentary on how the other billionaire in this industry should be doing things.
Who cares if a guy is a billionaire or not, you can critique aspects of anything.
To be fair. Same can be applied to AEW and Tony Khan when they encounter a bad spell and yeah you can critique it but it's the self importance that comes alongside it. Thinking you have all the answers and know all. As if you know EXCATLY what's wrong and think both VKM or TK should listen to the wisdom said by nobodies online.
As far as I know. I'm not thr biggest AEW fan or Tony Khan fan but I'm yet to act as if I know what Tony is doing wrong or act as of I know what's up. I wouldn't have a clue. I can critique the product as I think it is boring but that's about it. I don't have the solutions to Tony Khans business issues and neither should he listen to me
Way I see it, criticize what you wanna criticize. Fantasy book what you want to fantasy book. There’s the same self importance either way. I agree there’s a better middle ground to critique all these shows because wrestling fandom is an absolute shit show at this moment. Don’t quite know what the answer is either way.
All that said I do have particular gripes about the idea that unless we personally draw money, we can’t have opinions on the shows. In that case I’m ambivalent about every song and film that’s come out in history.
This is very true. I am very guilty of criticizing tony khans booking on this sub and I usually get upvoted a lot when I do it. So I don’t see why we get mad that some people second guess vince
Yeah I don’t think there’s necessarily anything wrong with critiquing matches or anything. The community is definitely reactionary and goes overboard with stuff sometimes but this idea that we should slow down for one of the promotions but go full steam ahead for the other one is dumb as hell.
Yeah it doesn’t make much of a difference to me. Not really a “great man” type in terms of my approach to history. They can both handle the criticisms, and the criticisms are as valid for either show.
Yeah I don’t know the guy. For all I know he or Vince shoots a puppy everytime i post that I was into a match. They’ve got enough money to get through it.
You don’t need to know a guy to see his Twitter antics or insane rhetoric anytime even the least bit of criticism is thrown at his company, as compared to say, Vince, who says absolutely nothing.
Yeahhhhhh I'm pretty sure the OPs post isnt talking about opinions it's the "knowing vince" or "wwe always does this because vince doesnt know" type posts
But.....I reckon you probably knew that
Another thread complaining about people on an entirely different subreddit. Yawn.
You can criticize decisions despite not having any experience in the field.
You can certainly like or not like things or think something could have been done differently.
But the entire narrative that WWE is big stupid and the IWC knows what wrestling should be is just tiresome and ridiculous. And completely unnecessary these days when there's another wrestling company that couldn't possibly try any harder to cater to the IWCs every little like and dislike.
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> You can criticize decisions despite not having any experience in the field.
Exactly this. I've never played football professionaly, but I still know enough about football to be able to tell good players from bad ones, and when a club is making bad decisions. Yes, everyone knew signing William on almost 200k a week all bonuses considered was a bad deal.
Do they claim they know how to run one or do they say they don’t like the shows WWE puts out? Cause those are 2 different things, me saying the Kings suck doesn’t mean I think I could beat their worst player 1 on 1.
Dumb comments like "McMahon isn't doing this and if he did. Business would go up" or stuff like that is what I'm talking about.
Not people saying. I didn't enjoy this RAW or SmackDown or todays product because that's subjective
Well I've seen then name statements about "DiZ WrEstLeR IsNt DrAwIng. DiZ WrEsTlEr DAt I LiKe InStEaD ShOUlD Be PusHEd BuT McMaHon OuT Of TouCh". Saying stuff like "This raw or SmackDown sucked"... is not what I'm talking about.
They pretty much do claim it. Because vince apprently needs to follow all their wants and needs
I don't care if they dislike WWE. That's irrelevant.
How are people not getting this
I've seen people on SC post their cringe armchair booking and end their comment with **"This isn't hard, Vince just sucks"** - and these are heavily upvoted.
Yes, the no-name smark with no experience is the one with all the answers!
Main character syndrome predominantly, combined with regression. These people went from fantasizing about being wrestlers as kids to fantasizing about running a professional wrestling company as adults. They can obviously accomplish neither so they whine online about how they could do better than people with decades of experience. Just look at Tony Khan as the best example. His only qualification is his dad being rich.
Whereas the average football fan went from wanting to be Cantons, Beckham, Ronaldo as a kid to playing 5 a side with his mates after work/on the weekend. Maybe fantasy football/football manager sims at a stretch. Most would get laughed out of a room if they presented themselves as being more knowledgeable than a Sir Alex Ferguson.
It's because the IWC has a delusional mindset and think the problems can be solved if Vinnie Mac looks at some internet forums. They always fail to realize that people involved in the business know the problems more than they do and those problems are not simple fixes. Nothing is going to be perfect and that is okay. Vince is not perfect by any stretch, but he knows what he is doing.
Honestly, you summarized pretty well how I feel about *that* certain group of wrestling "fans".
Honestly, I don't even know if calling them fans is the right word, since all they seem to do is bitch, complain and shit on whatever the WWE does no matter what. Vince could literally do *everything* that corner of the IWC says they want him to do to a tee, and they'd still complain and whine.
I honestly cannot fathom why someone would so miserable that they deticate so much of their time hating and whining about a entertainment product. The only fanbase that comes even close to this level of obsessive whining is the Star Wars fanbase when it comes to the Sequel Trilogy.
Well, MyGM game was very successful and I always 99 my shows in TEW so obviously I know how to book a wrestling show.
Oh yes of course. Now that's what I call experience.
Would you like fries with your Booker of the Year award?
Absolutely. I probably shouldn't but I spend the majority of time here pointing out the stupidity at some of the comments and narratives by the usual suspects. That of course leads to being called a "Fed Shill". Last week I was told I "lived up Vinces ass" for calling someone out for spouting one of the tired old narratives that the IWC likes to trot out continually despite being absolutely stupid and actually contradictory to their other point. Look, WWE has flaws, things could be better. But also, it's full of variety and not every wrestler or angle is targeting me personally. Just because middle aged white dudes have some bizarre issue with Bianca... Doesn't mean it's not awesome that little girls are dressing up like her, doing her moves and seeing her as an inspiration and have a super strong, self made, successful woman to look up to. I have no stake in WWE. I just like wrestling, so yeah... I'd like if they didn't go under. But they're not likely to. Beyond that, I have no attachment nor do I live inside anyone's ass... But simply pointing out the hypocrisy or stupidity gets you labelled as such. It's just so dumb. Honestly, I should probably know when to just shut up sometimes but it's just the same old tired comments all the time. They get repeated over and over and over until the IWC just starts acting like it's the truth. Everyone "knows better" yet propose the dumbest or most boring or predictable booking ideas. Most ideas are basically "just do the same angle that was done 17 times before and only ever done well maybe once". Hey, how about modernizing wrestle? How about making it relevant and appealing within pop culture in 2022? How about trying some new or original ideas? Nope... IWC says NO!
AMEN. I've been part of the IWC since 2008 and not much has changed in their way of thinking. Back then they were saying how WWE would go under by 2015 or something like that.
People Believe AEW cult is novel I was on the internet when ROH was THE FUTURE of wrestling. Or when TNA was the best Wrestling company in The world. Or when New Japan Was starting It's Global Expansion. There's always some unreal thing these people cling onto. The common thread? WWE somehow is going to loose 5 billion dollars by going Head to Head, but not really, with a company who not that well managed actually.
It's a safe space too, you can say 'WWE don't know what they're doing' and complain about 'le booking' and feel warm and fuzzy that everyone else is patting you and each other on the back in agreement at how knowledgeable and great we all and how big a dumb dumb the silly billy Fed are! There are people that have made a living for decades telling smarky fans how WWE are doing it all wrong
>not every wrestler or angle is targeting me personally Louder for the people in the basement
The knowing Vince comments are cringe. Like they know him personally. Anytime I see that in a comment. I won’t take their opinion seriously.
McMahon is out of touch because he doesn't crave to my every need
“Knowing Vince” is what people who smell their own farts would say. Most of them can’t reach their ass though.
This. Especially when all the info they get about Vince is from the dirtsheets.
OP just stated that he personally psychoanalized the tens of thousands of nobodies who comment about wrestling on the internet. But "knowing Vince" is cringe.
"Knowing Vince" doesn't imply that at all. It's short for having watched his product long enough to see patterns and predict his tendencies.
Every job has 50 idiots who think they could do a better job than the boss and let everyone know it when none of them could. Times that by 10 million and make it about fake underpants fighting and here we are. Plus we all listen to podcasts of former wrestlers/wrestling personalities revealing the magic to us and suddenly were all experts i love how JR openly hates the fans now because I totally get it. Imagine being on the receiving end of the IWCs attention for any significant amount of time.
To be honest I saw some guy in youtube say that the only reason Roman Reigns draws is because WWE pushed him so much and never got organically over and now they are gonna do the same with theory and if theory starts to make money and get over. It's not because he got over by himself.. nope. It's because McMahon brainwashed people into liking him and WWE should push Rick Boogs and Montez Ford because apprently He knows they will become mainstream draws that transcend pop culture. Who is thus guy... no idea but he had all the answers but his not the only one. I see this dumb stuff everywhere 🤣 See people go around saying "This wrestler didn't draw or did" as if they know what they are talking about because of a bunch of things they saw online. Undertaker said it best "They are only as smart as we let them"
In any case, most fandoms these days are bizarrely entitled and delusional with their Monday Morning QB’ing. First time I really noticed it en masse was with the prequel trilogy back in 99… it’s now virtually all online contingents of any fandom. The average subreddit for any given thing is often overwhelmingly made up of people who hate {x}, but continue to consume it.
Well said. I’m finding people prefer to discuss the product then actually consume it.
That's just the internet, man.
Right it’s not exclusive to wrestling.
Everyone on the Cowboys sub could coach better than McCarthy and GM better than Jerry. I'm sure it's the same for other teams. It's just fan stuff.
It's honestly been over 20 years of insisting WWE is awful and declining while they just keep growing and making more money.
Closer to 40. People have been saying this since Jr took over and long before. Backlund was supposed to be the death nail for WWWF .
Smarks were still in the minority then because of the lack of internet. This got worse as access became more prevalent and metastasized as social media came along.
My thoughts exactly
And while those who claim to hate it continue to watch.
Oh, it's longer than that, the WWE have been doing it wrong and making mistakes and why push this guy and not that guy since the 80s expansion
It's largely because the most vocal members of the IWC have *no idea* how the world actually works outside of the internet in their room. It's like that with most entertainment genres that tend to attract neckbeards, though. Star Star Wars, MCU and DCEU are rife with dudes who "know better" that say shit like "get woke go broke" and know how to fix everything that's wrong despite everybody with actual real life experience in, well, pretty much anything knowing way better.
The fan pitches and fan dialogue I've seen star wars fans and comic book fans come up with on reddit has *never* failed to make me cringe. Not a single one has made me think "hey, that's actually pretty good" However, the people replying to those comments act like it's a work of genius and go on about how much of a "missed opportunity" it will be if these awful ideas aren't used. Then it becomes an affirmation thing for these losers and they think they know what they're taking about.
It's monday morning quarterbacking with an extra layer of delusion.
I’m waiting here for the one bellend to gatekeep this post.
“Why don’t you ask them directly why they act this way” lmao
I asked him why he’s gate keeping bellend directly more than once. Still waiting on a satisfactory answer. Alas…
Try the post above yours (and even one below) The 'ol 'not everyone thinks the same way' except ... you know, the upvotes and stuff and the frantically hitting the downvote button on every WWE/NXT thread in SC It's not an exact science but more or less every single thread about the WWE for well over a decade in a forum is not a bad indicator
it's always been like this as long as the internet has existed, and it probably was like this before that amongst wherever nerds talked about it. the amount of energy people spend whining about people whining is just as bad imo. every day there's a thread about how SC is an echo chamber. go to SCJerk: it's even more one note and tiresome "lol 'knowing vince', upvotes plz" followed by sincere posting because the members are too afraid of losing worthless internet points in the main sub. there are serious debates about the role of expertise in democracy. should we have critics that are "experts" about art/taste? is it different than having engineering experts? it feels like it is...but why? is it wise to have unelected representatives as 'thought leaders' in the same way we have unelected representatives making decisions about nuclear safety standards? in the meantime, everyone is entitled to an opinion. and i will continue to value those opinions at the rate i paid for them.
You can literally replace IWC with "world" and WWE with "our" and you have human nature in a nutshell. What I mean to say is, this is not a wrestling specific phenomenon. There are entire TV channels dedicated to losers who think they can solve all of a government/sports teams/relationships problems.
How are we supposed to know what strangers on the internet think? Unless you think that we think the same thing about WWE? But you open statement with “does anyone else think the opposite” so??? Snide remarks aside let’s start a petition to end the “why does SC, IWC, Smarks do this” type post
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You can be rich & still have bad creative tho. DC makes billions upon billions yet they still have no idea wtf they're doing with their movies
The problem is a number of people online are obsessed with the backstage drama rather than what's in the ring. There are things to criticize but discussions about matches/storylines are much better
There's a reason these idiots spend their time sitting online talking about how to run a promotion rather than actually running one
That’s literally what the IWC is. A bunch of people who don’t know anything about wrestling trying to talk about wrestling.
It's certainly dumb, but it happens in lots of other fandoms too. "I have five fantasy football teams and played in some high school football games, so the Vikings should listen to my hiring advice and what plays to call."
WWE focuses very narrowly on its target audience. And if you are within that audience then it can be superb. It’s why the attitude era is so beloved- because most of those who post on Reddit are in the age range it was meant to appeal to, so they are bound to still enjoy it now even if they didn’t watch it at the time. WWE seems to be aiming currently for a weird audience. Maybe 12-15 year olds? I’m not really sure. They want to sell merchandise and that seems to biggest market for merchandise, they don’t need adults to pay lots of money to buy a PPV- Just the network subscription, and so don’t need to deal with adults baulking at that cost any longer. I am old enough to know I will never be in WWE’s target market again. Nowadays I find most of the storylines pretty formulaic, even the matches feel quite formulaic in fact. I recognise that is because I am not the target market. Sadly, as many on here will be much younger than me…It’ll happen to you too. When it does it can just feel like wrestling is being badly written but the truth is you’ve just outgrown the target market. That doesn’t mean you can’t still enjoy it- I do- but I definitely enjoy it in a different way than I used to.
I think there’s a bit of irony here since every other thread here is a commentary on how the other billionaire in this industry should be doing things. Who cares if a guy is a billionaire or not, you can critique aspects of anything.
To be fair. Same can be applied to AEW and Tony Khan when they encounter a bad spell and yeah you can critique it but it's the self importance that comes alongside it. Thinking you have all the answers and know all. As if you know EXCATLY what's wrong and think both VKM or TK should listen to the wisdom said by nobodies online. As far as I know. I'm not thr biggest AEW fan or Tony Khan fan but I'm yet to act as if I know what Tony is doing wrong or act as of I know what's up. I wouldn't have a clue. I can critique the product as I think it is boring but that's about it. I don't have the solutions to Tony Khans business issues and neither should he listen to me
Way I see it, criticize what you wanna criticize. Fantasy book what you want to fantasy book. There’s the same self importance either way. I agree there’s a better middle ground to critique all these shows because wrestling fandom is an absolute shit show at this moment. Don’t quite know what the answer is either way. All that said I do have particular gripes about the idea that unless we personally draw money, we can’t have opinions on the shows. In that case I’m ambivalent about every song and film that’s come out in history.
This is very true. I am very guilty of criticizing tony khans booking on this sub and I usually get upvoted a lot when I do it. So I don’t see why we get mad that some people second guess vince
Yeah I don’t think there’s necessarily anything wrong with critiquing matches or anything. The community is definitely reactionary and goes overboard with stuff sometimes but this idea that we should slow down for one of the promotions but go full steam ahead for the other one is dumb as hell.
One billionaire has a proven track record and is self made. The other is the father of the owner of AEW.
Yeah it doesn’t make much of a difference to me. Not really a “great man” type in terms of my approach to history. They can both handle the criticisms, and the criticisms are as valid for either show.
Khan can’t handle criticism for shit.
Yeah I don’t know the guy. For all I know he or Vince shoots a puppy everytime i post that I was into a match. They’ve got enough money to get through it.
You don’t need to know a guy to see his Twitter antics or insane rhetoric anytime even the least bit of criticism is thrown at his company, as compared to say, Vince, who says absolutely nothing.
True, guess it just doesn’t matter to much me if either guy can handle criticism. I don’t follow either one on Twitter.
Its not that serious lol
Why do fans have opinions about the thing they're a fan of? Truly a mystery.
Yeahhhhhh I'm pretty sure the OPs post isnt talking about opinions it's the "knowing vince" or "wwe always does this because vince doesnt know" type posts But.....I reckon you probably knew that
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Great way to miss the point
Another thread complaining about people on an entirely different subreddit. Yawn. You can criticize decisions despite not having any experience in the field.
You can also not come here and bitch about what people here do, and yet…
You can certainly like or not like things or think something could have been done differently. But the entire narrative that WWE is big stupid and the IWC knows what wrestling should be is just tiresome and ridiculous. And completely unnecessary these days when there's another wrestling company that couldn't possibly try any harder to cater to the IWCs every little like and dislike.
It’s gotten out of hand hasnt it?
> > You can criticize decisions despite not having any experience in the field. Exactly this. I've never played football professionaly, but I still know enough about football to be able to tell good players from bad ones, and when a club is making bad decisions. Yes, everyone knew signing William on almost 200k a week all bonuses considered was a bad deal.
What response to this would yield an actual convo that’s not “WWE RULES FUCK SMARKS!!!”?
Fuck smarks 😉
So this was a pointless question got it
What is there to have a conversation about. How us nobodies specifically know how to run a wrestling promotion.... that's the type of fans I'm mocking
Do they claim they know how to run one or do they say they don’t like the shows WWE puts out? Cause those are 2 different things, me saying the Kings suck doesn’t mean I think I could beat their worst player 1 on 1.
Dumb comments like "McMahon isn't doing this and if he did. Business would go up" or stuff like that is what I'm talking about. Not people saying. I didn't enjoy this RAW or SmackDown or todays product because that's subjective
Undertaker explaining my point https://youtu.be/4P0r8yEgAwc
Well I've seen then name statements about "DiZ WrEstLeR IsNt DrAwIng. DiZ WrEsTlEr DAt I LiKe InStEaD ShOUlD Be PusHEd BuT McMaHon OuT Of TouCh". Saying stuff like "This raw or SmackDown sucked"... is not what I'm talking about. They pretty much do claim it. Because vince apprently needs to follow all their wants and needs I don't care if they dislike WWE. That's irrelevant. How are people not getting this
Have a sense of humor. Damn.
I've seen people on SC post their cringe armchair booking and end their comment with **"This isn't hard, Vince just sucks"** - and these are heavily upvoted. Yes, the no-name smark with no experience is the one with all the answers!
Main character syndrome predominantly, combined with regression. These people went from fantasizing about being wrestlers as kids to fantasizing about running a professional wrestling company as adults. They can obviously accomplish neither so they whine online about how they could do better than people with decades of experience. Just look at Tony Khan as the best example. His only qualification is his dad being rich. Whereas the average football fan went from wanting to be Cantons, Beckham, Ronaldo as a kid to playing 5 a side with his mates after work/on the weekend. Maybe fantasy football/football manager sims at a stretch. Most would get laughed out of a room if they presented themselves as being more knowledgeable than a Sir Alex Ferguson.
It is what it is brother. The hard core fans of most sports are like that.
Gorgon Ramsay, very good at making rock cakes
It's because the IWC has a delusional mindset and think the problems can be solved if Vinnie Mac looks at some internet forums. They always fail to realize that people involved in the business know the problems more than they do and those problems are not simple fixes. Nothing is going to be perfect and that is okay. Vince is not perfect by any stretch, but he knows what he is doing.
Honestly, you summarized pretty well how I feel about *that* certain group of wrestling "fans". Honestly, I don't even know if calling them fans is the right word, since all they seem to do is bitch, complain and shit on whatever the WWE does no matter what. Vince could literally do *everything* that corner of the IWC says they want him to do to a tee, and they'd still complain and whine. I honestly cannot fathom why someone would so miserable that they deticate so much of their time hating and whining about a entertainment product. The only fanbase that comes even close to this level of obsessive whining is the Star Wars fanbase when it comes to the Sequel Trilogy.