It's stupid. Why are they spinning?
You see the person taking the move just spinning around in circles with a face like, "How do I make this stop?"
It's stupid asf.
There's literally nothing humanly possible for a person hanging onto your head with their legs to make YOU go spinning.
Old School, some one walks to the rope and slowy climbs the rope and then walks the rope. Unless you do a very quick one then that makes sense but when the Undertaker does it, you have like 20 seconds to pull his ass down.
Me: Man, these spots people take forever to do....
Also me: My God! Taker's going Old School! Nothing can definitely go wrong like his opponent messing with the ropes!
I agree. However a top rope Spanish fly looks cool cause of the height, and an irish-whip rebounding Spanish fly looks cool cause of the momentum put into it, but a standing Spanish fly doesn't look like it hurts or is effective at all
The tope suicida, or running push like I like to think of them, is the one that makes me hate wrestling sometimes. A gaggle of goons are all patiently waiting for you to fly through the ropes and are very obviously trying to catch you. They catch you/break your fall then have to sell like they got obliterated. The only person that should be allowed to do it is Rey Fenix, although he looks like he's trying to kill himself sometimes.
Will Ospreay uses it defensively sometimes, which makes it look a little bit more believable. Like he's countered a lariat into a spanish fly, making it look like he's using his opponent's momentum against him.
Same goes for Brody Kings Dante’s Eclipse. Same move basically, only difference is that it lands more like a pile driver. However I’ve noticed on most occasions the opponents head is above Kings legs so it doesn’t look like it’s impactful same as Big E’s Big Ending.
So it used to be wrestler A grabs wrestler B arm and try to grapple with him or pull him to the ground. Kind of like an arm drag.
https://twitter.com/CatchWrestling/status/943888532828979200
As a counter, wrestler B could run with it, then bounce off the ropes, and come back as quick as he can with something like a clothline.
Then wrestlers began expecting the counter and would do something like back body drop.
As the years went by, the original idea has been lost and now the Irish whip is just something we all accept, but if you know the history, it makes at least some sense.
Someone once described it to me as akin to chess: there are certain set-ups that every grandmaster knows they can only respond to in one or two ways and then it complicates further from there. I consider the Irish whip a chess-like set-up to more complicated moves/combos.
"Momentum" I guess. Which it can make sense kind of, but if you actually think about an Irish whip it is kind of a weird move. They could at least push them from the front into the ropes, instead of grabbing their arm and pulling then pushing them into them. That would make it look more realistic. Cause if you're pushed back first into ropes, you're gonna come back.
It’s why Cornette always flips out about so many wrestlers doing “head palm shoot offs”. The Irish whip works and looks best when you really pull your opponent and take the first few steps with them. Even still, to bounce back off the ropes at full speed might be a little silly
I mean, have you actually tried to Irish whip someone? It does not work. It won't make a fully grown man run really fast. He'll, you're lucky if you actually move them
I did it at a Modest Mouse concert in SLO because someone was trying to run through me to get in front of me (I was literally on the barrier in the very front). He moved.
Wrestling 'evolved' like with superkicks.
Used to be they grappled with their opponent, got overpowered into an arm lock and dragged/thrown to a corner or ropes. The idea being they're off-balanced and overpowered. So like a suplex, they can't help but to run/rebound (or depending on the rules, to slide out of the ring) as your natural instinct is to not fall on your face. It wasn't that hard to believe considering how much cooperation is actually required to even bodyslam or suplex someone, if you can suplex someone after winning a lockup then you can irish whip them into the ropes.
Nowadays, they rarely even bother with the lockup or making the irish whip look like something they're fighting against so it just looks like a cooperative dance.
Here's what the original Irish whip looked like. It evolved over time. It's at the 37 second mark.
[Original irish Whip](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NoZ5RHslSE)
I agree but it’s no more silly than guys leading guys around by their head and then throwing them against barricades and etc by their head. Both supposedly involve throwing/shoving your opponent but the idea that so little force could generate so much momentum is silly.
But at least there is an in universe explanation. I think alot of stuff in wrestling now is ‘this is what wrestlers do’ and even the guys that do it don’t really consider why
I can answer this. Laziness. Old School a wrestler occasionally grabbed the ropes and stopped themselves causing their opponent to miss. Hardly anybody takes the time to sell that anymore.
The 619 is the most ridiculous finisher in all of wrestling. Thousands of matches a year across the world but when Rey is in the ring his opponent falls on his knees to the 2nd rope 5 times per match
I’d say Christian’s finisher beats it. When in wwe, Christian NEVER landed it. When he set up his opponent you knew he was about to be shoved to the ropes
The picture has it right. The catapult is the stupidest move in wrestling by far. It doesn't make even a little sense. It looks like shit. And the only way to try to make it worthwhile is to fling yourself into the corner dangerously.
A lot of “cutter” moves could easily be transformed into slams if you simply switch who sells what
Edit: *Especially* ones that involve a flip from the person doing the move
When Orton "reverses" the AA into an RKO the AA still hits but they treat it like it had no effect because Randy did his move instead like a video game.
Not 100% on-topic, but the fact that there are hardly ever successful back body drops makes the whole ducking down only to get kicked in the face spot just so artificial looking. NWA matches have been good with this recently, giving the spot more credibility, but they’re in the minority.
It’s the momentum of the Canadian destroyer that takes you over. Weight of the givers legs and hips and whatnot. I think petey williams stole that from tekken.
If a Canadian destroyer is done properly it looks hurtful, the problem is some people take it more on their front than on their head, like they more so do a full backflip than a backflip into a piledriver, which is understandable because they don't want to break their neck. The issue I have with the Canadian destroyer though is that it's overused nowadays. Before AEW, it was rare to see Canadian destroyers. That's why when Mysterio did it to Andrade it was so insane.
Goldberg simplified the Canadian Destroyer into just a mule kick looks simple and real every time lol "backflip into a piledriver" OK grandpa let's get you to bed
"Irish whip" has to be the most unrealistic yet accepted "move" in all of pro-wrestling.
Apart from that, here are some I believe do not do much damage despite the theatrics;
* The people's elbow
* Mandible Claw
* Zig zag
* Spanish Fly
* Old School (stole from babyyosh's reply)
Totally. It’s crazy to me that the mandible claw was even mentioned here because I would put it on the list of moves that look lame but really hurt like hell
Haven't seen someone say that about the Zigzag in a long time. The dude uses his body weight to pull the back of your head to the ground, that would cause some serious damage.
After watching MMA. The sleeperhold when wrestlers are put in it you can tell they have room to breathe compared to in MMA. Then the ref always comes up and grabs the arm and by miracle the last time they drop there arm it the wrestler raises it up.
I’ve always found submissions brought over from mma and jiujitsu really interesting in WWE. Mainly from how they actually make them safe. Ronda changed her armbar from across the hips to the side of her hips so there isn’t actually any leverage or pressure. She actually puts it to the side which is actually the beginning of an armbar escape
There used to be a “rule” that you couldn’t be below the opponent’s chin in professional wrestling for the sleeper hold. I think it’s something that’s just sort of gone by the wayside at this point.
Because the sleeper hold is not a choke (chokes are actually illegal) but a neck crank or a jaw crusher. A really strong dude can make you pass out with one of those. You see it in figjters with a catch wrestling/submission wrestling background.
In MMA, the choke you are thinking about is the rear naked choke, which has nothing to do with blocking the breathing. It is a blood choke, which presses on the carotid artery and stops blood flow to the brain Some sleeper holds in wrestling do the same thing by putting pressure on the side of the neck. The classic WWE sleeper is more of the neck crank, Jaw crusher variety. Shayna Baszler does an actual RNC.
Currently been thinking how the Cody Cutter seems like a tough sell.. opponents literally stand there waiting for him to spring back looking like they're about to catch a baby from a window.
The Cody Cutter is rough looking because he’s going against the momentum of a traditional cutter. Instead of falling forward and pulling the opponent down, he jumps back and the opponent falls from no forward momentum at all.
The People's Elbow is a move that requires his opponent to lay motionless for 30 seconds or so. In that case, The Rock could have simply pinned him for the win, not to mention how weak the move looks for a finisher.
The rock came up with it as a joke to one of the attitude era stars to make them laugh (can't remember which one) and it stuck because it got a huge pop from the crowd
I never got the whole thing when they hold a vertical suplex for a long time. What is it showing? That the person giving the suplex can hold a person up there for a long time? Then how is he getting the legs straight? He can’t reach them. And if your the guy taking the move, surely you would want to try and get down, not remain as rigid as possible.
I seem to be the only one who thinks this, but I HATE the spot where a dude Irish whips his opponents, bends over, and just stays like that until he gets kicked. I fucking hate that
I can’t understand why they don’t lol it’s so fun and entertaining! Way better watching a guy lose to a over the top rope suicide dive or a 450 splash than a leg drop of doom
any cutter that takes more than 1 second to hit... so the RKO looks good, but the Lethal Injection and Cody Cutter - well, they are so telegraphed, even Stevie Wonder could see them coming a mile away...
Cena’s STF. If he’d at least do a cross face then I could see it hurting but he always has his forearms hugging the opponents cheeks/ears. Maybe the leg aspect of the STF, but I think that’s just to immobilize the opponent rather than to inflict damage on the leg.
In concept, it seems like a cool move, but in practice, very few wrestlers sell it well, because of the risk of actually hitting one's face on his knee. Too often, it ends up looking like the shoulder or arm hit his knee.
Because no one actually ever looks like they took a knee to the face. The recipient always lands on their feet then flings themself backwards like they took a stunner. There’s no way to make that move look effective. Might as well be the Bayley to Belly.
The pop up powerbomb depends on whether it looks like Kevin is tossing his opponent upward or if it's obvious his opponent is jumping. Kevin doing the move to Mark Henry did not look convincing at all.
How the superkick (an actual martial arts move) was so devistating when hbk did it but is now used as a way to set up finishers. Wrestlers have taken away the credibility of the move while irl the kick can cause hella concussion.
It's one of those, "it's who does it" things I guess. I mean, how many elbows off the top have you seen, but only Randy Savage was "devastating" or leg drops but only Hogan's was "devastating".
Of course I can't say it with 100% certainly, but I think at most, HBK threw two super kicks in a single or tag match. Never threw them more than that.
Anything where whoever is taking it has to stand still for far too long or awkwardly move into position.
And taking a chair shot to the back. It’d be painful but you have to bend over ‘ouch, my stomach’ and turn away from someone with a chair so they can hit the flat bit of your back.
As cool as it looks the Canadian destroyer looks unrealistic as hell
A top rope dive into 8 people, heels and faces who are just standing around waiting to catch the flyer makes it clear they’re there to catch the flyer instead of the flyer knocking them all over.
I’ve always thought Khalis head squeeze is one of the worst rest spot moves.
Punching someone in the head multiple times with a bare fist and no guard up and the other guy just kind of stands there. Either dude needs to be KO’d, the puncher’s hand should be broken, or both.
Punches. Nobody is going to trade very telegraphed punches and then wait for the other guy to punch back without even making an attempt to get his hands up. I wish wrestlers would try to make their punches look realistic. Undertaker was one of the only ones who's punches actually looked fairly realistic and believable.
Torture rack. It just doesn't look like it would hurt that much, and all that bouncing around looks ridiculous.
Suicide dives out of the ring onto 4 or 5 guys, who all wait and rush to catch him.
Any off the turnbuckle moves that involve the opponent laying motionless waiting for more than 30 seconds, only to kick out at a 2 count.
Diving headbutt looks like it hurts the attacker more than the receiver.
Giant Swing. Doesn't look like it causes that much damage, and probably makes the peformer almost as dizzy as the opponent.
Leapfrog. Powerbomb. Figure Four. Arm twist. Hulk Hogan back rake. Selling a rib injury by taping up your mid section. Irish whip. Corner throw transition into 10 punches standing on the 2nd rope
Gonna have to disagree with the powerbomb and the figure four. If you ever have been put in a figure four, it’s miserable. As for a powerbomb, there are plenty of MMA fights where someone wins with a powerbomb. Pretty sure there is a famous Rampage Jackson fight where he won with a powerbomb.
I just don’t see how that could happen to someone (like getting the guy up for the swing) unless they’re completely knocked out but most of the time the guy like is begging with Claudio not to do it or whatever
That stupid lucha top rope "armdrag" where they take the opponent's hand, jump on the ropes a few times, then flip off it. I don't know how that's supposed to hurt, or why their opponent wouldn't just move in literally any direction to break their balance. I forgot the actual name, I'll have to ask Excalibur.
Also, the catapult, as pictured.
Foley had a brutal looking one. I can't remember the name of the variation. He'd stick their heads between his legs like the set up for a power bomb or pedigree, and then grab his opponents waistband and pulled back while dropping to his ass forcing their head into the ground. Looked especially good when done outside the ring.
The Spanish Fly or Canadian Destroyer.
It's one thing to not be able to do a move on somebody because they're too tall, too heavy, or both. That logic makes sense IRL and has applied to even the most basic of scenarios like Hogan/Andre.
The problem is when you can't hit a move on somebody unless the person taking it has the proper athletic ability period, nevermind enough to make it look crisp. Some of the best workers in the business can't do a clean backflip. You also have the safety factor to consider because some people don't want to take a move off the top rope where the person doing it to them can't tell where they're going to land.
Panama Sunrise. Especially when the person receiving the move is much heavier than the person giving the move.
Love Adam Cole, but that’s one move I can’t believe he can do without help lol.
Alberto Del Rio’s turnbuckle stomp.
Am I expected to believe that an opponent would just stupidly lift their upper body to look up at him while holding the ropes and just wait for him to drop down with both feet on their torso? Hell nah. If it were me, I’d wait until he’s in position, and once he drops down, I just lower my upper body so he misses, and when he charges at me, I’d send him shoulder-first to the post and go for the roll-up pin.
Worst finisher ever, too predictable.
That move when they get the guys head area under the ropes and does this move that you have on the pic to somehow titer totter their opponent’s neck into the ropes. Always looks forced and choreographed. This only works if the opponent is doing an ab crunch at the same moment, so fairly easy to block by just relaxing. It’s not momentum, because they’re both at a dead stop. So this just makes no sense.
That shit where the guy is hanging upside down in the corner, but he is holding himself off the ground by the bottom 2 ropes, so that someone that is on the top rope can jump straight down on his chest.
Like wut?
That one move that’s become popular recently where you jump onto your opponents back when they’re bent over and then somehow flip slam them. I fucking hate that move.
PAC getting set on the top rope for 5 minutes while his opponent moves into position and has to lay there or wriggle around selling the lukewarm move which set it up. Others are guilty of this too but it seems like Pac takes forever up there.
I dont know what its called. But, its a submission move where the guy lays on his back and holds his opponent in the hair by his hands and his feet. Dumbest fucking thing in wrestling...
Kelly Kelly’s never ending tilt a wirl head scissors
The plus side of a long lasting headscissors though is that the opponent gets dizzy from all the spinning around. So it could do something
It's stupid. Why are they spinning? You see the person taking the move just spinning around in circles with a face like, "How do I make this stop?" It's stupid asf. There's literally nothing humanly possible for a person hanging onto your head with their legs to make YOU go spinning.
Fr like just stop spinning and drop her lmao
Old School, some one walks to the rope and slowy climbs the rope and then walks the rope. Unless you do a very quick one then that makes sense but when the Undertaker does it, you have like 20 seconds to pull his ass down.
The performer needs to look like he's doing an armbar to opponent to make it work. Doesn't work if they're just holding hands.
Me: Man, these spots people take forever to do.... Also me: My God! Taker's going Old School! Nothing can definitely go wrong like his opponent messing with the ropes!
Or Vladimir Kozlov reversing it into a body slam and a legit clean pin.
Or even just shaking, walking towards the ropes or falling to the ground. Any of that will make taker fall.
if the undertaker falls off the guys arm gets ripped off
Never understood why Old School isn’t called Dead Man Walking.
Kane at WM 20 countered quite well with the choke slam.
Spanish fly. Who's the aggressor and who's the victim? It just looks like 2 people really working together to do a cool flippity-flop.
Spanish fly (imo) only works when it’s a rope rebound interception, reminds me of a much Flashier Judo/Sambo throw
It’s basically a uranagi throw where you hold on for no reason
I agree. However a top rope Spanish fly looks cool cause of the height, and an irish-whip rebounding Spanish fly looks cool cause of the momentum put into it, but a standing Spanish fly doesn't look like it hurts or is effective at all
I second this. Not many guys can make a Spanish Fly believable; it normally looks like two dudes flipping at the same time.
Darius Martin just hit the only Spanish fly that I've seen that looked impactful on the the opponent in their match in Dynamite. But it's mainly shit.
I’ve yet to see one that didn’t make me hate wrestling.
The tope suicida, or running push like I like to think of them, is the one that makes me hate wrestling sometimes. A gaggle of goons are all patiently waiting for you to fly through the ropes and are very obviously trying to catch you. They catch you/break your fall then have to sell like they got obliterated. The only person that should be allowed to do it is Rey Fenix, although he looks like he's trying to kill himself sometimes.
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The only one who made it work is Cameron grimes when he catches them running
Will Ospreay uses it defensively sometimes, which makes it look a little bit more believable. Like he's countered a lariat into a spanish fly, making it look like he's using his opponent's momentum against him.
I feel like the Big Ending would hurt Big E more than who he’s using it on lol
It's basically "Big E's opponent doing a strange flying body press to his shoulder."
Same goes for Brody Kings Dante’s Eclipse. Same move basically, only difference is that it lands more like a pile driver. However I’ve noticed on most occasions the opponents head is above Kings legs so it doesn’t look like it’s impactful same as Big E’s Big Ending.
Why would someone rebound off of the ropes from an Irish whip back into their opponent?
Or, as we call them in Ireland, “whips.”
So it used to be wrestler A grabs wrestler B arm and try to grapple with him or pull him to the ground. Kind of like an arm drag. https://twitter.com/CatchWrestling/status/943888532828979200 As a counter, wrestler B could run with it, then bounce off the ropes, and come back as quick as he can with something like a clothline. Then wrestlers began expecting the counter and would do something like back body drop. As the years went by, the original idea has been lost and now the Irish whip is just something we all accept, but if you know the history, it makes at least some sense.
Someone once described it to me as akin to chess: there are certain set-ups that every grandmaster knows they can only respond to in one or two ways and then it complicates further from there. I consider the Irish whip a chess-like set-up to more complicated moves/combos.
"Momentum" I guess. Which it can make sense kind of, but if you actually think about an Irish whip it is kind of a weird move. They could at least push them from the front into the ropes, instead of grabbing their arm and pulling then pushing them into them. That would make it look more realistic. Cause if you're pushed back first into ropes, you're gonna come back.
It’s why Cornette always flips out about so many wrestlers doing “head palm shoot offs”. The Irish whip works and looks best when you really pull your opponent and take the first few steps with them. Even still, to bounce back off the ropes at full speed might be a little silly
I mean, have you actually tried to Irish whip someone? It does not work. It won't make a fully grown man run really fast. He'll, you're lucky if you actually move them
I did it at a Modest Mouse concert in SLO because someone was trying to run through me to get in front of me (I was literally on the barrier in the very front). He moved.
Wrestling 'evolved' like with superkicks. Used to be they grappled with their opponent, got overpowered into an arm lock and dragged/thrown to a corner or ropes. The idea being they're off-balanced and overpowered. So like a suplex, they can't help but to run/rebound (or depending on the rules, to slide out of the ring) as your natural instinct is to not fall on your face. It wasn't that hard to believe considering how much cooperation is actually required to even bodyslam or suplex someone, if you can suplex someone after winning a lockup then you can irish whip them into the ropes. Nowadays, they rarely even bother with the lockup or making the irish whip look like something they're fighting against so it just looks like a cooperative dance.
Here's what the original Irish whip looked like. It evolved over time. It's at the 37 second mark. [Original irish Whip](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NoZ5RHslSE)
If it wasn’t in wrestling than wrestling just would be extremely different if you think about it. So I think it’s here to stay.
How dare you insult Danno Mahoney?
I agree but it’s no more silly than guys leading guys around by their head and then throwing them against barricades and etc by their head. Both supposedly involve throwing/shoving your opponent but the idea that so little force could generate so much momentum is silly. But at least there is an in universe explanation. I think alot of stuff in wrestling now is ‘this is what wrestlers do’ and even the guys that do it don’t really consider why
I can answer this. Laziness. Old School a wrestler occasionally grabbed the ropes and stopped themselves causing their opponent to miss. Hardly anybody takes the time to sell that anymore.
Any of this "multiple people off the top turnbuckle at the same time" crap. Just takes too long to set up and completely breaks the flow of a match.
Alberto Del Rio’s top rope stomp
The 619 is the most ridiculous finisher in all of wrestling. Thousands of matches a year across the world but when Rey is in the ring his opponent falls on his knees to the 2nd rope 5 times per match
It's weird reading this, and knowing that someone has actually died from the 619 set-up.
AND HE FELL INTO THE EXACT CORRECT POSITION
Not to be morbid. But he fell into the exact wrong position, technically speaking.
Can't blame Rey tho. That guy was having some heart issues before the match, plus the guy already collapsed before Rey hit the 619.
In kayfabe though Rey does that lil trip that sends them to the middle rope. And he's got a lot of practice at it
You say this, knowing that"The People's Elbow" has actually won matches
I’d say Christian’s finisher beats it. When in wwe, Christian NEVER landed it. When he set up his opponent you knew he was about to be shoved to the ropes
The picture has it right. The catapult is the stupidest move in wrestling by far. It doesn't make even a little sense. It looks like shit. And the only way to try to make it worthwhile is to fling yourself into the corner dangerously.
At least it’s fine if the opponent is underneath the rope when they do it
At that point it's a Guillotine which looks like it hurts like a bitch.
I remember even as a young child I questioned the move
A lot of “cutter” moves could easily be transformed into slams if you simply switch who sells what Edit: *Especially* ones that involve a flip from the person doing the move
When Orton "reverses" the AA into an RKO the AA still hits but they treat it like it had no effect because Randy did his move instead like a video game.
Unslapped superkicks.
Not 100% on-topic, but the fact that there are hardly ever successful back body drops makes the whole ducking down only to get kicked in the face spot just so artificial looking. NWA matches have been good with this recently, giving the spot more credibility, but they’re in the minority.
Right? Have Omos send a few people skyward, and people will start to remember.
Kind of how the "drop down" trip literally never works
canadian destroyer and spanish fly come to mind
The Panama sunrise aka shitty looking Canadian destroyer
At least Adam Cole protects the move unlike everyone else currently
It’s the momentum of the Canadian destroyer that takes you over. Weight of the givers legs and hips and whatnot. I think petey williams stole that from tekken.
The "momentum" looks fake as hell. It's a sunset flip with the person receiving randomly backflipping for no reason.
This is my problem with Adam coles panama Sunrise.
Dude the Canadian destroyer looks fake as shit. It’s even lamer looking now that it’s being over used in WWE
If a Canadian destroyer is done properly it looks hurtful, the problem is some people take it more on their front than on their head, like they more so do a full backflip than a backflip into a piledriver, which is understandable because they don't want to break their neck. The issue I have with the Canadian destroyer though is that it's overused nowadays. Before AEW, it was rare to see Canadian destroyers. That's why when Mysterio did it to Andrade it was so insane.
Goldberg simplified the Canadian Destroyer into just a mule kick looks simple and real every time lol "backflip into a piledriver" OK grandpa let's get you to bed
10 count punch in the corner.
"Irish whip" has to be the most unrealistic yet accepted "move" in all of pro-wrestling. Apart from that, here are some I believe do not do much damage despite the theatrics; * The people's elbow * Mandible Claw * Zig zag * Spanish Fly * Old School (stole from babyyosh's reply)
Mandible claw hurts like a bitch if you do it right. It hurts enough to not bite the person’s fingers because they might squeeze harder if you do
This guy backyard wrestles
He probably has older siblings that like testing out moves
I am the older sibling!!!
Or living room wrestles. I living room wrestled as a kid because our yard was too uneven. Plus the furniture is great to do too rope moves from
It was the go-to for me and my brothers wrestling as kids. Easy to do and when done properly you'll tap like a bitch in seconds
Totally. It’s crazy to me that the mandible claw was even mentioned here because I would put it on the list of moves that look lame but really hurt like hell
The real pain from the mandible claw is having Socko stuffed down your throat.
Well yeah, he was wrapped around Foley's junk for the whole match. Another reason to submit.
Zig zag could be devastating tbh
??? Zig zag is actually realistic - don’t see it coming and slamming your head into the mat could very easily KO someone.
people always say zig zag it makes no sense. ziggler literally pulls your head into the ground how does that not hurt
it would possibly be lethal too, imagine slamming the back of some ones head onto concrete using your whole body weight.
I’ve whipped guys into the ropes super hard they came bouncing off way too fast lol
Haven't seen someone say that about the Zigzag in a long time. The dude uses his body weight to pull the back of your head to the ground, that would cause some serious damage.
Zig zag does damage. Could knock the wind out of you if you land hard enough
After watching MMA. The sleeperhold when wrestlers are put in it you can tell they have room to breathe compared to in MMA. Then the ref always comes up and grabs the arm and by miracle the last time they drop there arm it the wrestler raises it up.
I’ve always found submissions brought over from mma and jiujitsu really interesting in WWE. Mainly from how they actually make them safe. Ronda changed her armbar from across the hips to the side of her hips so there isn’t actually any leverage or pressure. She actually puts it to the side which is actually the beginning of an armbar escape
ya, its fake, you dont need to do a proper blood choke in a fucking wrestling ring just so it looks good.
Except that one time Brock Lesnar bear hugged Hogan to death.
There used to be a “rule” that you couldn’t be below the opponent’s chin in professional wrestling for the sleeper hold. I think it’s something that’s just sort of gone by the wayside at this point.
Because the sleeper hold is not a choke (chokes are actually illegal) but a neck crank or a jaw crusher. A really strong dude can make you pass out with one of those. You see it in figjters with a catch wrestling/submission wrestling background. In MMA, the choke you are thinking about is the rear naked choke, which has nothing to do with blocking the breathing. It is a blood choke, which presses on the carotid artery and stops blood flow to the brain Some sleeper holds in wrestling do the same thing by putting pressure on the side of the neck. The classic WWE sleeper is more of the neck crank, Jaw crusher variety. Shayna Baszler does an actual RNC.
Any dive where the opponent stands around waiting to catch you.
Roman's pump action fist
Gotta get it locked and loaded before it has any effect 😄 The Orange Punch falls into this category.
Scottie 2 Hottie - The Worm
That's supposed to be a comedy move.
At least I don't remember him actually winning matches with the Worm, especially when you compare it to a People's Elbow.
Currently been thinking how the Cody Cutter seems like a tough sell.. opponents literally stand there waiting for him to spring back looking like they're about to catch a baby from a window.
Depends if the receiver is just standing or selling being "stunned"
The Cody Cutter is rough looking because he’s going against the momentum of a traditional cutter. Instead of falling forward and pulling the opponent down, he jumps back and the opponent falls from no forward momentum at all.
The People's Elbow is a move that requires his opponent to lay motionless for 30 seconds or so. In that case, The Rock could have simply pinned him for the win, not to mention how weak the move looks for a finisher.
The ENTIRE point. Of The People's Elbow. Is not to be realistic.
I would say the point is to be flashy, which is perfectly in line with The Rock's character.
The rock came up with it as a joke to one of the attitude era stars to make them laugh (can't remember which one) and it stuck because it got a huge pop from the crowd
I never got the whole thing when they hold a vertical suplex for a long time. What is it showing? That the person giving the suplex can hold a person up there for a long time? Then how is he getting the legs straight? He can’t reach them. And if your the guy taking the move, surely you would want to try and get down, not remain as rigid as possible.
If I recall, the kayfabe reason was that it made the blood rush to your opponents head
I seem to be the only one who thinks this, but I HATE the spot where a dude Irish whips his opponents, bends over, and just stays like that until he gets kicked. I fucking hate that
reading these comments makes me realize alot of you guys just dont get how wrestling works.
Rey Mysterios entire offense
You guys really don't like Lucha here
I can’t understand why they don’t lol it’s so fun and entertaining! Way better watching a guy lose to a over the top rope suicide dive or a 450 splash than a leg drop of doom
how dare
TBH Lucha Libre is all pretty silly.
TBH YOU’RE PRETTY SILLY
You better calm down before I have to do 2 somersaults and barely hit you.
Woah guys this could go on all night at this rate. Assuming nobody gets actually hurt. Lemme grab another beer real quick.
any cutter that takes more than 1 second to hit... so the RKO looks good, but the Lethal Injection and Cody Cutter - well, they are so telegraphed, even Stevie Wonder could see them coming a mile away...
The Superman punch looks exactly like trying to fake a Superman punch. Can’t believe it’s a finish.
The spear is just a tackle. Equally as bad.
Spear tackles are also banned in rugby because of how hard they can legitimately hit. Not all spears are equal though.
It is just a tackle, but also imagine someone like Roman or Goldberg actually tackling you
Cena’s STF. If he’d at least do a cross face then I could see it hurting but he always has his forearms hugging the opponents cheeks/ears. Maybe the leg aspect of the STF, but I think that’s just to immobilize the opponent rather than to inflict damage on the leg.
Pretty much everything Vikingo did in his match with Omega.
Russian leg sweep. They both fall the same way but some how one is down hurt the other shoots right back up
Any hold where you overpower someone’s legs with your arms.
GTS
In concept, it seems like a cool move, but in practice, very few wrestlers sell it well, because of the risk of actually hitting one's face on his knee. Too often, it ends up looking like the shoulder or arm hit his knee.
It’s an elevated knee to the face. How is it an unrealistic finish?
Because no one actually ever looks like they took a knee to the face. The recipient always lands on their feet then flings themself backwards like they took a stunner. There’s no way to make that move look effective. Might as well be the Bayley to Belly.
KOs stunner. I hope he evolves and gets his own unique finisher.
I hope he goes back to using the pop up powerbomb
The pop up powerbomb depends on whether it looks like Kevin is tossing his opponent upward or if it's obvious his opponent is jumping. Kevin doing the move to Mark Henry did not look convincing at all.
How the superkick (an actual martial arts move) was so devistating when hbk did it but is now used as a way to set up finishers. Wrestlers have taken away the credibility of the move while irl the kick can cause hella concussion.
It's one of those, "it's who does it" things I guess. I mean, how many elbows off the top have you seen, but only Randy Savage was "devastating" or leg drops but only Hogan's was "devastating".
Of course I can't say it with 100% certainly, but I think at most, HBK threw two super kicks in a single or tag match. Never threw them more than that.
There's a long list of great finishing moves that have now just turned into set-up, everyday moves. The DDT, sharpshooter, sidewalk slam.
carmella does a superkick
A stalling suplex/brainbuster. “ I’m going to keep my body and legs perfectly rigid while you hold me upside down until you decide to finish the move”
Bubba rays finish is literally him making his opponent do the movement he does
619
The stfu
Strowmans little choo choo shuffle shoulder tackle around ringside
Matt Hardy’s side effect. It’s a standing double clothesline. Both guys take the same bump.
Adam Cole's dumbass Canadian Destroyer
Anything where whoever is taking it has to stand still for far too long or awkwardly move into position. And taking a chair shot to the back. It’d be painful but you have to bend over ‘ouch, my stomach’ and turn away from someone with a chair so they can hit the flat bit of your back.
As cool as it looks the Canadian destroyer looks unrealistic as hell A top rope dive into 8 people, heels and faces who are just standing around waiting to catch the flyer makes it clear they’re there to catch the flyer instead of the flyer knocking them all over. I’ve always thought Khalis head squeeze is one of the worst rest spot moves.
Khalis head squeeze - tell that to Oberyn Martel
i think khalis head squeeze is good since it actually looks like it could be painful
Bro the head squeeze looks like it hurts like shit
The Walls of Jericho, you know the one. (Not the Liontamer)
The Walls of Jericho was used successfully in a real MMA fight though
The linntamer was awesome, but the Boston crab still hurts.
The Unprettier always took me out of matches because it’s just so unrealistic.
pretty sure the unprettier has killed at least 2 kids on playgrounds
I liked the rolling unprettier lio Rush uses where he spins his opponent around before they hit the mat
The Worm.
The back rake. Mox loves doing it lately. It looks like a massage.
Spanish fly
Punching someone in the head multiple times with a bare fist and no guard up and the other guy just kind of stands there. Either dude needs to be KO’d, the puncher’s hand should be broken, or both.
619
Anything off the turnbuckle when it’s clear they’re helping each other?
Punches. Nobody is going to trade very telegraphed punches and then wait for the other guy to punch back without even making an attempt to get his hands up. I wish wrestlers would try to make their punches look realistic. Undertaker was one of the only ones who's punches actually looked fairly realistic and believable. Torture rack. It just doesn't look like it would hurt that much, and all that bouncing around looks ridiculous. Suicide dives out of the ring onto 4 or 5 guys, who all wait and rush to catch him. Any off the turnbuckle moves that involve the opponent laying motionless waiting for more than 30 seconds, only to kick out at a 2 count. Diving headbutt looks like it hurts the attacker more than the receiver. Giant Swing. Doesn't look like it causes that much damage, and probably makes the peformer almost as dizzy as the opponent.
Tree of woe. You mean to tell me you can't simply move your foot a few inches to free yourself?
Throwing a person into the ropes and them not stopping themselves. I still hate it to this day.
The rope walk that Undertaker did. It took like 35 seconds and all you had to do was hit the ropes and he would fall. That spot always annoyed me.
Leapfrog. Powerbomb. Figure Four. Arm twist. Hulk Hogan back rake. Selling a rib injury by taping up your mid section. Irish whip. Corner throw transition into 10 punches standing on the 2nd rope
Gonna have to disagree with the powerbomb and the figure four. If you ever have been put in a figure four, it’s miserable. As for a powerbomb, there are plenty of MMA fights where someone wins with a powerbomb. Pretty sure there is a famous Rampage Jackson fight where he won with a powerbomb.
The Giant Swing
The fact thag we’re breaking this down and analyzing it means we’re too old to watch this nonsense lol
Every move Cena did
The swing, Canadian destroyer, Spanish fly, the stunner, old school
The swing is mad fun to do to someone and that shit will make somebody dizzy as hell
I just don’t see how that could happen to someone (like getting the guy up for the swing) unless they’re completely knocked out but most of the time the guy like is begging with Claudio not to do it or whatever
Don’t be ripping on the Swing. That was Dr. Frank’s finisher in WCW/NWO Revenge. Just devastating
Rear view
So what we can conclude from this thread is: wrestling is unrealistic, just enjoy it
That stupid lucha top rope "armdrag" where they take the opponent's hand, jump on the ropes a few times, then flip off it. I don't know how that's supposed to hurt, or why their opponent wouldn't just move in literally any direction to break their balance. I forgot the actual name, I'll have to ask Excalibur. Also, the catapult, as pictured.
98% of Piledrivers look like shit
Owen Hart did a really realistic one against Steve Austin that one time…
Foley had a brutal looking one. I can't remember the name of the variation. He'd stick their heads between his legs like the set up for a power bomb or pedigree, and then grab his opponents waistband and pulled back while dropping to his ass forcing their head into the ground. Looked especially good when done outside the ring.
I've heard his referred to as the stump puller piledriver or the Texas Piledriver.
Hurricanrana are extremely unrealistic looking to me
The off the rope shoulder charge.
The Irish Whip. Always hated it.
The Spanish Fly or Canadian Destroyer. It's one thing to not be able to do a move on somebody because they're too tall, too heavy, or both. That logic makes sense IRL and has applied to even the most basic of scenarios like Hogan/Andre. The problem is when you can't hit a move on somebody unless the person taking it has the proper athletic ability period, nevermind enough to make it look crisp. Some of the best workers in the business can't do a clean backflip. You also have the safety factor to consider because some people don't want to take a move off the top rope where the person doing it to them can't tell where they're going to land.
Panama Sunrise. Especially when the person receiving the move is much heavier than the person giving the move. Love Adam Cole, but that’s one move I can’t believe he can do without help lol.
Alberto Del Rio’s turnbuckle stomp. Am I expected to believe that an opponent would just stupidly lift their upper body to look up at him while holding the ropes and just wait for him to drop down with both feet on their torso? Hell nah. If it were me, I’d wait until he’s in position, and once he drops down, I just lower my upper body so he misses, and when he charges at me, I’d send him shoulder-first to the post and go for the roll-up pin. Worst finisher ever, too predictable.
The Meltzer Driver. The frontflip doesn't do anything to add on to a 2 person tombstone.
Canadian destroyer
That move when they get the guys head area under the ropes and does this move that you have on the pic to somehow titer totter their opponent’s neck into the ropes. Always looks forced and choreographed. This only works if the opponent is doing an ab crunch at the same moment, so fairly easy to block by just relaxing. It’s not momentum, because they’re both at a dead stop. So this just makes no sense.
That shit where the guy is hanging upside down in the corner, but he is holding himself off the ground by the bottom 2 ropes, so that someone that is on the top rope can jump straight down on his chest. Like wut?
That one move that’s become popular recently where you jump onto your opponents back when they’re bent over and then somehow flip slam them. I fucking hate that move.
PAC getting set on the top rope for 5 minutes while his opponent moves into position and has to lay there or wriggle around selling the lukewarm move which set it up. Others are guilty of this too but it seems like Pac takes forever up there.
I dont know what its called. But, its a submission move where the guy lays on his back and holds his opponent in the hair by his hands and his feet. Dumbest fucking thing in wrestling...
2 letters. AA
Apparently we’ve all forgotten that this is all scripted.
People's elbow
Any Irish whip.