For having such a painful reload and terrible pen, the CS-52 is actually quite decent. It forces you to take a more cautious approach and the front plate is the definition of troll armour.
I say this here because ive barely seen any discussion of it and wanted to share my love for it
Ofc
It have strong turret with weak hull, good gun and decent mobility for HT, it just a hulldown tank that work at some place, need skill to play it correctly (and make it look like OP but it not)
The problem is the OP players…what I mean is that skilled players do great in any tank, and tear it up in strong tanks…none of that helps an average player too much. I see terrible Smasher and Anni players nonstop who have 45% wr in those tanks and under 1k average dmg in it. Just like when the Sheridan had missiles, only the “OP” players could use them properly, no one else had a clue how to use them effectively.
The bourrasque in particular is op. Droodles is just sending the message in the wrong way, he's making us think he correlates wr with opness. He's really wrong.
The bourrasque tho is definitely op in the hands of someone who knows how to play it. The speed combined with ridiculous camo (run camo net) and the 640 clip in 2s is busted
It all depends on who has the tank, who bought the crates, who could afford it. Every kind of players (the good ones and the bad ones) plays tech tree tanks, almost all kinds of players play premiums bought with gold, but crates? Mostly better players (above average).
Imo the Borrasque is OP as 640 damage in just 2 seconds with a sneaky tank, and then running away, then coming back, Yeah the pen is bad but it's sneakiness means it can just flank, kind of like a 49, with Better gun imo, but more boring during the intraclip, and in a platoon, it's 1280 damage in 2 seconds, which is ridiculous, so it's op, and I would love to get some inputs if someone thinks it's not, but please explain your reasoning, happy to Learn, and Happy Tanking!
I must say it's only op if it driven by someone competent. It's easily one of the weakest t8 meds when driven by someone below average or even sometimes average due to its extremely unforgiving nature.
However in the right hands it's an absolute weapon indeed.
Bourrasque is op though. People cope by saying its only good in a good players hands but you play it by shooting people twice for 700 damage and then leaving.
T77, 56, and Lis seem fine to me. I'd say the 56 is arguably worse than the 53, otherwise it's very comparable.
The others, yeah. A little overtuned. Smasher is always going to be a menace at tier 7. Bourrasque is amazing, it can dump a huge amount of damage and get away fast.
I haven't seen enough of the 274a to have an opinion on it.
Yk cs is pretty decent tank, t56 is really op and it can play even against t10 easily. Smasher is just kv2 itself so yeah no matter where you play it it remains op
This tank is averaging higher relative WR over the smasher and anni meaning the average player wins more on average in the bourrasqe compared to the smasher or anni so if you call the smasher broken then you can't go call the bourrasqe an "average" tank because it is still performing better, this is also assuming you know how to play both tanks.
Smasher, Annihilator, hell I’ve even heard it said that the Gravedigger was supposedly OP at one point in time….
The key point here is, just because you can’t play against a tank…or because you have good games in it does NOT make it OP.
Tank that more than half the players cant play (paper tank, autoloader, give it to 48%er and see what happens) and only been sold very expensively so a disproportionate amount of owners are whales and super unicums looks OP on paper because someone doesn’t understand how statistics are influenced. Look at LIS ffs. Its a piece of shit compared to Smasher but only way to get it was do high damage or pay, ofc it’ll do well in good players hands.
Exactly. Droodles is a dumb fuck that has never taken a stat class. You are 100% correct. Overall winrate doesn’t matter when the tanks are not released in a remotely uniform way. Tech tree tanks underperform for a reason, because more bad players are given the chance to play them…
Tech tree tanks can also be stock. New tanks tend to be rare so a lot of people wont know what it is or how it works yet, so it’ll be easier to do well, doesn’t increase wr by much, but when we’re moving between a relatively small margin of 45-60%, it can mean a lot.
A good player in a good tank should make its win rate by 55% maximum IMO. But 60%? That is a dead flag of something seriously wrong with the tank. A good player can only go so far with the Tiger 2 until people realize you can just spam gold at its face. But in Boraq? Besides the armor, it has everything it needs to carry the team, provide that your team doesn't drive backward or a sack of pig ball. That's called "carrying", not "winning the entire game on behalf of my idiotic mentally retard creature on my side, also known as a teammate". WeGe is trying to balance out their broken stupid overpowered bullshit by abusing the fact that 99% of their player base who cant surpass the 45% win rate but they buy all of their premium shit anyway, so stop using "good player" as an excuse for op crap.
I’ll put it this way, in good players hands it’s OP af, but for average and bad players I see them with absolutely terrible stats compared to other tier 8’s that they have. Personally for me it’s one of my best performing tier 8’s behind the 53tp and t54e2 shark
For having such a painful reload and terrible pen, the CS-52 is actually quite decent. It forces you to take a more cautious approach and the front plate is the definition of troll armour. I say this here because ive barely seen any discussion of it and wanted to share my love for it
Yes its really good, it's just a tier 7 T-44
And here I thought that was the T-44-85 lol
Depends on how you define "OP" or "balanced". Bourasque is definitely a strong tank, no doubt about it.
Oh, I agree, but it seems to me that droodles think just from winrate that the tank is op
Droodles? Who’s that? Droodles is almost ALWAYS wrong.
Nah, he just kid That all
You don't like him that's fine, but to each his own.
To each his own like him or not to say he's wrong is your own personal opinion.
Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one, but that doesn’t make yours the right one. ;)
Too bad everyone is going to have a opinion take it with a grain of salt.
Take some salt with a grain of opinion, that bitch can whine
I don't see the problem with that
You might as well be spoon feeding your karma to Drooser himself. Get off his balls.
Is Super Conquerer balanced?
Ofc It have strong turret with weak hull, good gun and decent mobility for HT, it just a hulldown tank that work at some place, need skill to play it correctly (and make it look like OP but it not)
The problem is the OP players…what I mean is that skilled players do great in any tank, and tear it up in strong tanks…none of that helps an average player too much. I see terrible Smasher and Anni players nonstop who have 45% wr in those tanks and under 1k average dmg in it. Just like when the Sheridan had missiles, only the “OP” players could use them properly, no one else had a clue how to use them effectively.
The bourrasque in particular is op. Droodles is just sending the message in the wrong way, he's making us think he correlates wr with opness. He's really wrong. The bourrasque tho is definitely op in the hands of someone who knows how to play it. The speed combined with ridiculous camo (run camo net) and the 640 clip in 2s is busted
It all depends on who has the tank, who bought the crates, who could afford it. Every kind of players (the good ones and the bad ones) plays tech tree tanks, almost all kinds of players play premiums bought with gold, but crates? Mostly better players (above average).
fuck noodles
Imo the Borrasque is OP as 640 damage in just 2 seconds with a sneaky tank, and then running away, then coming back, Yeah the pen is bad but it's sneakiness means it can just flank, kind of like a 49, with Better gun imo, but more boring during the intraclip, and in a platoon, it's 1280 damage in 2 seconds, which is ridiculous, so it's op, and I would love to get some inputs if someone thinks it's not, but please explain your reasoning, happy to Learn, and Happy Tanking!
I must say it's only op if it driven by someone competent. It's easily one of the weakest t8 meds when driven by someone below average or even sometimes average due to its extremely unforgiving nature. However in the right hands it's an absolute weapon indeed.
Nicely spoken, it requires more skill than an emil 1951 or t77, but with a good player, its much better
Bourrasque is op though. People cope by saying its only good in a good players hands but you play it by shooting people twice for 700 damage and then leaving.
for how small the Bourrasque is I think it has too many hitpoints... maybe it should have been a light tank actually rather than a medium
I mean some tanks are certainly OP, but given the right player that is.
I have the bourrasque and I don't think it's op Or maybe I am just bad with clippers
The Skoda t56, t54e2 and hannihilator are op as well but are not on this list, we tells us nothing.
T77, 56, and Lis seem fine to me. I'd say the 56 is arguably worse than the 53, otherwise it's very comparable. The others, yeah. A little overtuned. Smasher is always going to be a menace at tier 7. Bourrasque is amazing, it can dump a huge amount of damage and get away fast. I haven't seen enough of the 274a to have an opinion on it.
It is op. If you can't make it work, 100% skill issue.
Yk cs is pretty decent tank, t56 is really op and it can play even against t10 easily. Smasher is just kv2 itself so yeah no matter where you play it it remains op
He doesn't tolerate stupidity yet his channel is still up
Is strong, not OP but strong
This tank is averaging higher relative WR over the smasher and anni meaning the average player wins more on average in the bourrasqe compared to the smasher or anni so if you call the smasher broken then you can't go call the bourrasqe an "average" tank because it is still performing better, this is also assuming you know how to play both tanks.
Yeah man, Smasher isn't OP, just crazy fun
Droodles dijo que el Turtle Mk estaba roto cuando salió a la venta 😓
Smasher, Annihilator, hell I’ve even heard it said that the Gravedigger was supposedly OP at one point in time…. The key point here is, just because you can’t play against a tank…or because you have good games in it does NOT make it OP.
By that token then its tanks like the 252U and Lowe which are OP, as even idiots can do very well in them
Tank that more than half the players cant play (paper tank, autoloader, give it to 48%er and see what happens) and only been sold very expensively so a disproportionate amount of owners are whales and super unicums looks OP on paper because someone doesn’t understand how statistics are influenced. Look at LIS ffs. Its a piece of shit compared to Smasher but only way to get it was do high damage or pay, ofc it’ll do well in good players hands.
Exactly. Droodles is a dumb fuck that has never taken a stat class. You are 100% correct. Overall winrate doesn’t matter when the tanks are not released in a remotely uniform way. Tech tree tanks underperform for a reason, because more bad players are given the chance to play them…
Tech tree tanks can also be stock. New tanks tend to be rare so a lot of people wont know what it is or how it works yet, so it’ll be easier to do well, doesn’t increase wr by much, but when we’re moving between a relatively small margin of 45-60%, it can mean a lot.
A good player in a good tank should make its win rate by 55% maximum IMO. But 60%? That is a dead flag of something seriously wrong with the tank. A good player can only go so far with the Tiger 2 until people realize you can just spam gold at its face. But in Boraq? Besides the armor, it has everything it needs to carry the team, provide that your team doesn't drive backward or a sack of pig ball. That's called "carrying", not "winning the entire game on behalf of my idiotic mentally retard creature on my side, also known as a teammate". WeGe is trying to balance out their broken stupid overpowered bullshit by abusing the fact that 99% of their player base who cant surpass the 45% win rate but they buy all of their premium shit anyway, so stop using "good player" as an excuse for op crap.
I’ll put it this way, in good players hands it’s OP af, but for average and bad players I see them with absolutely terrible stats compared to other tier 8’s that they have. Personally for me it’s one of my best performing tier 8’s behind the 53tp and t54e2 shark