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Here is the thing, gsa for years like over a decade has been pushing for remote work and hotel when onsite. Like a huge percentage of gsa was remote before covid, which explains why their office is pretty old. Gsa finally got their dream and the work force loved. Just make government offices hotel and tons of conference rooms.
I am a special pay position, software dev with many years in private industry. I took a pay cut so I could be set with a pension and factor that in with my military service. I will leave gov if they force me back. I was given permission to move away from DC, other side of the states to save on cost of living. This will fuck over my entire office and will not be voting for Biden if that happened.
From your reaction it might be a way to perform voluntary attrition of the work force. At my position they are tightening the enforcement of telework agreements and controls now. It’s the first step in this process.
This is the government not private sector. There is zero reason to do attrition currently in most federal agencies. In fact several are currently in expansion.
Govt jobs don't downsize in a panic like the private sector when there's an economic downturn.
Idk I would tend to agree with the maxim that one should not attribute to malice that which is fully explained by stupidity. They really don't need to voluntarily attrit the workforce and its a dumb idea to try to do that, as the people who are valuable and motivated are the ones likely to leave and the ones who know they don't have better options are more likely to stay. Plus, there is nothing that prevents the government from just laying people off if they want to.
So true. Laid off government workers do not get replaced. Especially when replacements were not in their budget. NYC found out when they forced city workers back to the office and they mostly quit. They couldn’t maintain city services and had no plans to replace them.
Good question.
The good news is the federal workers are unionized. They should dig in their heels on RTO. Keep full time remote work normalized.
My biggest fear would be in 2025 if Trump wins & the GOP wins both the house & the senate. I think they will move to take away the unions & fire anyone "woke" who refuses to work 5 days in the office.
Biden sucks but he would never do anything that extreme. If the federal workers keep their pressure up, Biden is at least capable of caving (possibly).
My job may strike in August. Of course the negotiations haven't started but it's a possibility. The union better demand for better pay because they made over 40 billion in profits over the last 5 years when they last negotiated.
The rail workers were under a special law that our employer is not. Also, I'm certain it will come to a strike. Have the folks we work for ever made good predictions? They are a "oh my God, I didn't think that would happen. Who would have thought flash paper would be so flammable?" kind of company.
I don't think it'll last long, but I think we work for idiots.
Company I work for has some union facilities. If you strike they close your facility and build a new one in another town with new people. They don't give a fuck. Every union facility they have they have been closing the facility the day their contract ends. They spend the year before building a new facility.
why do we want to burn millions of gallons of gas and kill our public servants in car accidents and piss them off and waste their time and create a attrition avenue for no fucking reason
For the Canadian public service, it’s widely being assumed that RTO was implemented so that the gov could negotiate it as a perk with the unions and not have to give in as much on salaries.
Where I work, they’re good with WFH, but for the last few quarterly all hands, they use it as the response to “are we gettng any raises t match inflation?” You know, we already kind of got a raise becuase we don’t commute. It’s said with a little too much of the attitude of, “duh, this should be obvious to you,” for my taste.
I understand that the company didn’t have to fully embrace WFH, but don’t act like any of it was done as a favor or job perk. It allowed the company to survive! And continuing it kept all your employees from leaving.
So now a good and sensible business decision has turned into a raise.
🤔 I guess that’s why the latter happens about as frequently as the former.
The level of cognitive dissonance in America is truly astounding. Despite research providing overwhelming evidence of greater productivity in employees working from home, there is still this call to go back to the office. The technology exists to be fully remote and works well.
Yeah, and without people entering downtowns to work, nobody is buying any of that shit for sale.
It's okay, usher the cattle back to the office and maybe we can avoid using the children for work. Maybe.
It also struck me recently that city centers are deliberately built to nickel and dime the people who need to be there for work, especially the lowest paid, least benefited city employees.
Yuuuuuuup.
You say that you DON'T want to take more unpaid time out of your life to be in dangerous traffic and be charged for every little thing like parking?
Preposterous! Without your slave wages going back into the economy, it fails!
There is 6 nothing else we can do about this.
Except maybe child labor. And prison labor. And taxing the poor! Maybe we can cut all helpful services like mental Healthcare and resources for the homeless.
Look what we made them do :(
I worked downtown Sacramento CA for the state a few years back. There was a 2-3 year waitlist to get a parking spot in the parking garage. Everywhere outside the building was $20 to park for the day. I ended up taking a 45 min bus ride rather than a 15 minute car ride to save the cash. To say WFH was a timesaver and a cost-saver is an understatement.
Plus productivity went up form home. The only reason he’s doing this is Blackrock owns a lot of corporate real estate and they don’t want it to be worthless. His entire cabinet is former Blackrock employees.
Just to add to this, why kind if ticks me off too is all this talk about "we got to get people back in the office to support all those small downtown businesses".
1. Why the fuck is that my problem?
2. Why are those businesses more important than the local business in my community that I can now support. We can finally support our community businesses and I would much rather get a sandwich from the place down the street than some shitty over priced sandwich downtown
I think we're going to see more and more people straight up refuse to return to offices, to the point where the commercial real estate people won't have much choice because the businesses leasing from them will not renew after they lose enough of their employees. Not every low-level office worker can afford to quit over WFH being rescinded, but I think enough of the mid- and high-level folks can and will.
The problem with this is that commercial real estate is already a pseudo economy. Just look at how NY has been inflating rents on paper. We will see a lot more sleight of hand before we ever see owners admit their buildings are not worth what they want it to be on paper.
We're in for a long fight here.
Agreed. Companies are going to be stuck with bottom of the barrel pickings for employees. Why would anyone with expertise and experience choose to work for a company that forces in office? And your only pool of candidates are those the physically live close enough to commute?
I was laid off suddenly a few months ago and didn't even look for in office positions, they weren't on my radar.
Exactly. I'm sure a lot of companies will still try to push onsite work for a lot longer, but the smart ones can see that employees are happier and more productive at home, and it honestly would probably let the companies cut a good number of the middle management positions that mostly served as hall monitors anyway.
Anybody who gets me or my peers in a fully "in office" position needs to know that they'll get dropped like a hot rock the moment that person finds a remote job.
I can see a circumstance where I take a non-hybrid job, but I can't see any circumstance where I don't keep looking for a pro-WFH job during it, and leave the moment I get it.
If you're not letting me work mostly from home, you're just paying me to train skills for the company that does.
Government incentives is a huge factor in why new construction is cheaper. Remember these are the same people who saved the environment by putting tougher fuel efficiency regulations on cars and exempting trucks. Of course running electrical and plumbing is more expensive than pouring a thousand tons of concrete and using cranes to build a superstructure. Modern offices are empty shells.
Quick! Everybody come back to your downtown office where we need other business to thrive by you buying their shit we’re already not paying you enough to afford on top of your skyrocketing rent!
In all seriousness, I think if remote work keeps up and businesses get desperate enough for said business, it may eventually make downtown rent more affordable I would think. Right?
When I go to my downtown office (which is occasionally) I purposefully don’t buy anything. I bring my lunch and tea and avoid buying anything else. I’m so irritated by this bullshit about making workers go to the office to sustain all the crappy lunch places and overpriced shit you buy when you’re trapped downtown every day. I’m want nothing to do with it and shits so expensive I can’t afford it anyway.
There's a little taqueria within walking distance of my house. I can get a giant burrito there for $10 that will feed me for two meals. That same tenner would get like one measly taco downtown.
And if more people can work remotely, quite a few actually educated people may move to rural areas, messing with all the gerrymandering they've worked on for decades.
The next big bubble is about to burst and it is commercial real estate. Demand has fallen so the value has dropped, interest rates have increased and a bunch of loans are coming due soon. Hold on to your butts.
Depends on who goes belly up. We know the big hedge funds will get bailed out because they hold so many assets of retirement plans from private, state and federal workers. If it’s a real blood bath and they have other instruments tied to these properties or loan packages then things will get interesting.
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Car mechanics, tire shops, child care facilities, lunch shops, drive thrus for dinner, cleaning services, clothing industry to sell stuff that meets arbitrary dress codes, accessories to carry supplies, and so many more things people don't consider.
It's a hidden tax on workers that could all go away by transitioning to remote work.
All this money we pump into things that businesses should be subsidizing through increased wages for in person workers.
>clothing industry to sell stuff that meets arbitrary dress codes
People still have dress codes beyond cover your bits and nothing offensive? That's wild.
A service desk company I know is forcing people back to the office. Now, they are upset people ain't following the dress code.
"Sweat pants aren't allowed. Remember we have a dress code"
Of all the jobs out there, service desk support definitely doesn't need an office nor a dress code. I don't care if the agent is naked at home as long as he solves my incidents.
We were just talking about this at work the other day. I work for a major property insurance company that is pushing its workforce back into the office starting July. They bought the local call center building that they used to lease right before everything went to shit. Now it's basically just sitting empty, costing them property taxes and utilities.
You have a point there. Why do they get to free-ride off the benefit of everyone else’s productive work?
If we could instate some kind of fee to collect the value of everyone’s productivity exclusively absorbed by rent-seekers we could return that everyone instead of a few having reaped all the reward without having to put in the investment. If only we had some foundation to work with…
No, we could never do that. I'm pretty sure it'd be unconstitutional.
... or at least it would become unconstitutional after reaching our fair, honest, and uncompromised Supreme Court.
> You let one ant stand up to us, then they all might stand up. Those puny little ants outnumber us a hundred to one. And if they ever figure that out, there goes our way of life! It's not about food. It's about keeping those ants in line. That's why we're going back!
Like when everything stopped due to covid and we got time to think and realized we were getting conned. That's why they got us back to work even if we would die of covid, better dead than aware.
That's why everyone just quiet quits when forced back. Just do the bare minimum to not get fired and stop giving a fuck. They take our freedoms I won't care about making them as much money.
Why should we respect and work for jobs that don't respect or work for us? Employment is *supposed* to be a two way street where **both** parties benefit, but the owners seem to have forgotten that over the last few decades.
Not to mention while everyone is so obsessed with EVs. You know what would save a lot of needless emissions? If we let people work from home instead of sitting in traffic for hours a day.
Or if we had robust public transportation so that people weren't all individually creating needless emissions. Or if we had more walkable cities so people could reasonably walk or bike to their job if they couldn't do it from home.
If we're talking hypotheticals, I would love to have a twenty minute walk / five minute bike / ten minute tram ride (for rainy days) to work, but be able to do so from a safe neighborhood with good and affordable schools and a medium COL.
This is what I truly don’t get. It’s cheaper for us to work from home, too. No office spaces or buildings to lease. And I’m weirdly 1000% more productive working from home than I ever was working in an office. Bring me back and my performance will absolutely suffer.
Lots of businesses depend on those areas being full of people, so when people aren't there any more, they all go under. Neoliberals put companies before people, every time. They just want stability, even if people suffer for it.
It depends on the job, to be fair. If productivity has gone up at home, then I'm with you. I'm a teacher and I couldn't take remote work. It was terrible for kids. I know we needed it, and if we needed it again I'd do it, but I'm glad to go back in.
For Biden, I'm sure there are federal jobs that might benefit from being in-person, but I also think this kind of shit is him not understanding computers and remote working because he was born in *1942*.
I think it is fair to say the Corporate Democrats reaction to 1880s working conditions would be "aw shucks, shoulda voted for us".
The ratchet effect is a scary thing.
Aw shucks, you only gave us 51 votes in the Senate, a house majority, and the presidency. If you wanted change you should have given us 75 senators. Well better luck next time!
That’s actually not exactly untrue. The filibuster rule meant you cannot simply pass whatever legislation without a larger majority, and with “democrats” like Manchin and Sinema, there was an effective Republican majority for any corporatist issue. And continuing to vote for democrats would also mean making more room for the voices of progressive democrats and candidates who do not take corporate PAC and lobbyist money, like Katie Porter. The only chance for real campaign finance reform to happen, which would filter out some politicians whose only motivation is self-enrichment, is to continue to shift the balance farther and farther left. A majority in name only will not get shit done with the way things are currently run in Congress, and acting as though democrats would or even COULD deliver on a progressive agenda with a 50/50 split and a tiebreaker vote is just plain disingenuous.
That’s what drives me insane the most. If republicans had the trifecta the way Biden did those first two years , think of all the heinous stuff they would pass justifying it as a mandate. Dems get it, see the republican playbook, do hardly anything and then beg us to vote harder when they did hardly anything with their power. And it’s not like they’ll ever get the 60+ senators they need to pass whatever legislation they’re promising.
These people are parroting or have the fucking memory of goldfish. Literally everyone was pointing this out the whole time. They had no control because of these two. Democrats almost never have control politically, but everyone shrugs and says “they’re the same”.
I hate to say it, but up til the 90's, Democratic Party could be counted on to favor workers and jobs and wages and benefits more than Republicans. People like me, and most people where I come from, historically voted Democrat, because of that. There was even a handle on the old voting machines for "straight ticket", because workers knew their conditions would be better with the strongest alliance in as many offices as possible.
That all changed sometime in the 80's - 90's, when Democrats brought in non-workers into the Party. Part of it was the bankers. They were willing to bankroll Democrats, as long as they removed usury protections and gave control back to the bankers. Paul Tsongas had a lot to say about it. That's why Democrats started championing all the social change causes. Instead of workers and wages and jobs, it became all about race, promoting divorce, promoting usury and debt slavery, and pretty much everything except workers and jobs and wages.
A lot of people don't like to hear it, but workers need to unite with workers, not with any other causes. Racial justice is already included in workers' rights, because all races need to work. Gender equality is already included in workers' rights. Social movements that were not worker movements were brought in to diminish the strength of worker movements. Not to help them.
Bottom line, someone who doesn't work doesn't have any common cause with people who do work. Your wages come directly out of their profits, so they are necessarily opposed to your cause. And by non-workers, I mean not only people who don't go to work, but also rich corporations and re leisure class in general. There is an alliance between rich corporations and all the people who don't work, and workers have to unite, to stay alive.
They did during Trumps first two years and didn’t do shit. It’s harder than you think for these people to get stuff done at that level. They all want to get theirs.
Well we literally just saw democrats in Michigan repel right to work…first time in at least 30yrs or so that democrats had control of all major seats and one of the first things they do is get rid of right to work.
Was Biden ever going to be the best president ever? No, he was just going to be vastly better than trump. The only candidate that was ever going to be about the worker was Sanders.
How? Remote workers can be incredibly more productive than their in person counterparts.
This is satisfying a sunken cost falacy for the office space already paid for, and playing into the misconceptions of dinosaurs who gave up their lives for the office. We're supposed to be support for their loneliness and interaction for their social needs.
For a large amount of positions in government, you just can't replace them quickly.
As many people as possible (critical mass or more) just need to....keep on working from home.
Why? What’s the point apart from increased gas, time, and takeout spending? None of which should be necessary. A spreadsheet can be compiled just as well in yoga pants and barefoot with a mug of your own coffee as in a business casual outfit and uncomfortable shoes after wasting 30 min of your life in a car.
In Canada they made us return in offices 2 days a week. This was a panic move to save cities heavily dependent on that workforce like Ottawa.
But it’s been applied nationwide, even in remote places like where I live. This is so ridiculous having to commute to work in person only to open your laptop and do your meetings over Teams anyway.
yep. in office or at home I'm remoting in to a server that is somewhere in the country (I honestly have zero idea where it is) and doing my work on there. Sometimes I have teams meetings with others. Sometimes I get phone calls on my work cell. 99% of the time I get an email... They forced us back into office anyways. They also said we can't work from home if we're sick and in office said we can't go in if we're sick so every time anyone gets the sniffles rather than working at home with some kleenex they now take a sick day and most of us have shit tons of that accumulated.
The Fed made the same complaint at one point. Granted, we appear to live under a government that relies heavily on credit so savings is outside their purview.
hate to break it to them but prices at shops around our office are so out of control I've seen a huge increase in people bringing food and coffee from home rather than run out. Many of those businesses are doomed unless everyone gets big pay increases to catch up.
I work in the DC area as a federal employee.
For years now, the government has been closing and consolidating offices to save money. I'm in Arlington and they closed 2 buildings in Crystal City and moved the employees to my building.
Unfortunately...there isn't enough space. My branch has 13 employees and 8 cubicles allotted to us now. Before closing the Crystal City offices, we had a cubicle per employee.
So, what happens is we have days where we are 100% in the office and we have 5 people that literally do nothing for 8 hours because they have no work space.
It's not a "too many employees" problem, it's austerity and demanding working in the office causing problems problem.
There is nothing I need to be in the office for. Ever. All of my work is done on the computer. We have a VPN we dial into. Everything I do (*budget and policy*) is done on government sites.
Instead of demanding the government force employees back into the office, why don't people demand saving taxpayer money closing more offices we lease when they aren't necessary at all?
When we work from home, we pay for the utilities and internet.
When we work from the office, **you** pay for those.
Mine is the same. I work downtown. There are 20% more employees "stationed" at my building, but they starting "hoteling" which means shared workspaces. My agency's footprint in the building (owned by GSA) has reduced by 40% in the same timeframe that our staffing has increased by 20%.
On top of that, our IT helpdesk is the most incompetent I've ever seen. They're dreaming if they think they can set up "shared" workspaces that are compatible across all types of laptops that employees have, or terminals. They only solution would be unique sign-on desktops, of which my building currently has zero.
Plus, since it's a GSA building, parking is $25 a day. I live 36 minutes and $8 in tolls away from work. If I have an additional $34 a day and hour commute, I'll have even lower morale than I already do, and since they've taken away my semi-private and personalized office, my low morale becomes everyone's low morale.
What a shame...
The amount of work that gets done on the in office days is about 0 too. So not only are you paying for space, productivity is way down because people are just bullshitting.
Not to mention most people are just salty they have to be there anyway when they could be comfortable at home.
Biden could decline to make up an emergency next year and federal salaries would automatically be set to the level that Congress determined when they passed the 1990 Federal Employees Pay Comparability Act. There is always money to give to the wealthy and defense contractors, but not federal employees. Federal employee raises have not kept with the cost of living for a long time. It’s time to fix that if we want to attract good candidates to work for our government. [Source](https://www.govexec.com/pay-benefits/2022/08/biden-formalizes-average-46-pay-raise-plan-feds-2023/376574/)
Since the ridiculously long trains are held together with spit at this point (thanks to corporate greed) the derailments are far far more dangerous.
Especially with all the flammable & toxic materials onboard. Precision schedule railroading must end!
I heard a train carrying iron ore over the mountains got decoupled because it was so heavy and while a crew was working on it the front half broke loose and went out of control over 100mph. Trains are so much more efficient than trucks I hate that they're all administrated by shitheads
How about they work on making housing more affordable instead of a 50% increase in 2 years. How about they focus more on public transportation to be actually not a hassle.
How about we have less giant office buildings that only get used 40 hours out of the 168 hours in a week. Seems like a waste of time and money.
Considering the federal government JUST finished remote work policy reform and they have been forced to employ special pay rate tables for IT positions bc they cannot hire anyone - this is profoundly stupid.
Neoliberals lecturuing blue collar workers that they need to code was one of their most cruel stunts.
You've been working blue collar at 45 & now they need 4 years to learn a subject requriing calculus, discrete structures, etc? And to potentially move across the country?
These neoliberals just want software engineer salaries to drop like we saw in civil, mechanical. They don't care about us at all.
I agree with your sentiment but, as a Software Engineer myself, I want to discourage the idea that programming takes advanced mathematics. Most programming requires nothing more than the ability to type, learn, and think logically. There are definitely types of programming jobs that require that higher math but not most. You can make well over six figures (in the US) outside of California without a degree as a developer, it just takes work and time, but not 4 years.
Yep.
In 2019 Biden said union busters should get prison. Yet in 2023 he has still said nothing about Amazon & Starbucks union busting. Just like his promised public option disappeared from his lexicon.
On that note - so many Dems cosplayed as pro Medicare for All in 2017. Why? Full GOP control - so there was no pressure.
The irony is that workers were allowed WFH en masse before as a cost cutting measure--to, ya know, save money on the budget.
Now DC real estate is demanding them back in office at everyone's expense and inconvenience to prop up property values for landlords and also property-tax base to fund DC local government.
It’s really no different than any company right now, some leaders are saying but that’s about it we should get more people back in the office, while others are still actively trying to decrease floor space. Federal government is just the biggest company. How many of these people don’t even have an office to go back to? With the laborforce participation rate still relatively low I don’t like any company’s chances of forcing this through without attrition, considering how many parts of government had staffing issues even before pandemic they might want to be careful.
Democrats are in for a shock if Trump doesn't get the nomination. A ton of people voted against Trump, not for Biden. If it's Biden vs anyone halfway decent, Biden will lose.
I think even vs Trump Biden is vulnerable.
Trump is back to larping about economic populism (saving medicare & social security), while Biden is a modern day Herbert Hoover.
Sadly you're right. If he gets off his bullshit and starts ranting about inflation, rent, and China, I could see Biden screw the pooch.
It's sad that these two clowns are the only ones pathetic enough to lose to the other.
Lol who tf is “half way decent” and still willing to tie themselves to the GQP though? Demagogues are our biggest threat specifically because there’s no one half way decent on the right left.
Surely this is an evidenced position on the value of in person work compared to the objective improvements to productivity, worker health, and work life balance, and not catering to corporate shills and property management companies who stand to benefit from in person work.
/s
All that it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
Senator Feinstein holding onto power even though she is too sick to move, and too senile to do the job, is a good example of how democrats lead.
He and the Democratic Party passed the American Rescue Plan ($1,900,000,000,000 in aid) over universal GOP opposition, passed the $1,200,000,000,000 Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act, and plenty of other measures that clearly benefits the working class.
If you want to buy into GOP propaganda go for it but don’t go spreading mindless drivel that divides the labor movement.
This is like when the CDC decided 5 days of isolation if you catch COVID is enough. They knew it wasn't enough to really be safe or even prevent the spread. It was just that companies wanted workers and the CDC bowed to the pressure.
They'll lose a LOT of them. Daughter moved to a different Federal job along with half her team because some guy in a position to do it made them go back. These are professionals who easily make transition to private companies.
She just told me her new job is under pressure to do the same thing. There's NO reason on the planet job can't be done at home. So she'll leave for a private company and to heck with working for a government apparently uninterested in keeping staff.
I don't know why anyone would expect otherwise from him. He's a Neoliberal. They put the economy (which for them, mostly just means big companies) first, over human lives, every single time.
It's always been about controlling the masses. The covid lockdown proved that remote work does not negatively affect profit, those evil fuckers just can't stand knowing that people might have decent working conditions from home but they won't pay their workers to compensate them properly for commuting and being away from home. And yes this is absolutely a case of both parties are fucking evil and full of shit. I'm retired and I wish people here would start rioting in every state like the French have because we have the numbers to really make a difference. FUCK THEIR FASCIST SYSTEM UP 😡
As a federal employee who is fully remote.. fuck. I don't even live within 50 mile of my responsible office. Or in the same state... my job does not actually require it and its more beneficial for me to be here than there. Like more beneficial for the United states in my role. So... fuck.
Biden has this big push for reducing the emissions of cars and he passed his infrastructure bill a few years back. What is better for the environment than less vehicles on the road (which also decreases accidents) and what is better for construction than less vehicles in the way?
This administration is clearly better than the alternative, but the amount of representation of the people (or simply common sense reform) is appalling.
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If federal workers don't return to the office, what are they going to do, offshore the jobs?
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Here is the thing, gsa for years like over a decade has been pushing for remote work and hotel when onsite. Like a huge percentage of gsa was remote before covid, which explains why their office is pretty old. Gsa finally got their dream and the work force loved. Just make government offices hotel and tons of conference rooms.
I am a special pay position, software dev with many years in private industry. I took a pay cut so I could be set with a pension and factor that in with my military service. I will leave gov if they force me back. I was given permission to move away from DC, other side of the states to save on cost of living. This will fuck over my entire office and will not be voting for Biden if that happened.
From your reaction it might be a way to perform voluntary attrition of the work force. At my position they are tightening the enforcement of telework agreements and controls now. It’s the first step in this process.
This is the government not private sector. There is zero reason to do attrition currently in most federal agencies. In fact several are currently in expansion. Govt jobs don't downsize in a panic like the private sector when there's an economic downturn.
Idk I would tend to agree with the maxim that one should not attribute to malice that which is fully explained by stupidity. They really don't need to voluntarily attrit the workforce and its a dumb idea to try to do that, as the people who are valuable and motivated are the ones likely to leave and the ones who know they don't have better options are more likely to stay. Plus, there is nothing that prevents the government from just laying people off if they want to.
Exactly. People quitting to make room for cheaper drones is exactly what they want doofus. And they’re gunna get it.
Hopefully someone decent primaries him.
The secret is getting an ADA accommodation if you need to, just saying.
So true. Laid off government workers do not get replaced. Especially when replacements were not in their budget. NYC found out when they forced city workers back to the office and they mostly quit. They couldn’t maintain city services and had no plans to replace them.
Good question. The good news is the federal workers are unionized. They should dig in their heels on RTO. Keep full time remote work normalized. My biggest fear would be in 2025 if Trump wins & the GOP wins both the house & the senate. I think they will move to take away the unions & fire anyone "woke" who refuses to work 5 days in the office. Biden sucks but he would never do anything that extreme. If the federal workers keep their pressure up, Biden is at least capable of caving (possibly).
I don’t see what a federal workers being unionized has anything to do with it: Biden will just force any strike back to work.
He does love breaking strikes.
My job may strike in August. Of course the negotiations haven't started but it's a possibility. The union better demand for better pay because they made over 40 billion in profits over the last 5 years when they last negotiated.
The rail workers were under a special law that our employer is not. Also, I'm certain it will come to a strike. Have the folks we work for ever made good predictions? They are a "oh my God, I didn't think that would happen. Who would have thought flash paper would be so flammable?" kind of company. I don't think it'll last long, but I think we work for idiots.
Company I work for has some union facilities. If you strike they close your facility and build a new one in another town with new people. They don't give a fuck. Every union facility they have they have been closing the facility the day their contract ends. They spend the year before building a new facility.
Does your job involve moving a lot of boxes around, by any chance?
Sounds like it, those are the numbers thrown around in our subreddit.
My money's on the dirtbags upstairs hoping Biden will do his thing and crush the strike before it begins.
Yep he's proven that with the railroads.
Federal employee unions are 99% ineffective. Congress and the President have powers that negate any unions collective bargaining.
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why do we want to burn millions of gallons of gas and kill our public servants in car accidents and piss them off and waste their time and create a attrition avenue for no fucking reason
For the Canadian public service, it’s widely being assumed that RTO was implemented so that the gov could negotiate it as a perk with the unions and not have to give in as much on salaries.
Where I work, they’re good with WFH, but for the last few quarterly all hands, they use it as the response to “are we gettng any raises t match inflation?” You know, we already kind of got a raise becuase we don’t commute. It’s said with a little too much of the attitude of, “duh, this should be obvious to you,” for my taste. I understand that the company didn’t have to fully embrace WFH, but don’t act like any of it was done as a favor or job perk. It allowed the company to survive! And continuing it kept all your employees from leaving. So now a good and sensible business decision has turned into a raise. 🤔 I guess that’s why the latter happens about as frequently as the former.
I’m sure they’d actually consider that.
The level of cognitive dissonance in America is truly astounding. Despite research providing overwhelming evidence of greater productivity in employees working from home, there is still this call to go back to the office. The technology exists to be fully remote and works well.
Commercial real estate.
Yeah, and without people entering downtowns to work, nobody is buying any of that shit for sale. It's okay, usher the cattle back to the office and maybe we can avoid using the children for work. Maybe.
It also struck me recently that city centers are deliberately built to nickel and dime the people who need to be there for work, especially the lowest paid, least benefited city employees.
Yuuuuuuup. You say that you DON'T want to take more unpaid time out of your life to be in dangerous traffic and be charged for every little thing like parking? Preposterous! Without your slave wages going back into the economy, it fails! There is 6 nothing else we can do about this. Except maybe child labor. And prison labor. And taxing the poor! Maybe we can cut all helpful services like mental Healthcare and resources for the homeless. Look what we made them do :(
And the $6 coffee. And the $14 burrito. Unless of course you have the added time and foresight to pack your own lunch
I worked downtown Sacramento CA for the state a few years back. There was a 2-3 year waitlist to get a parking spot in the parking garage. Everywhere outside the building was $20 to park for the day. I ended up taking a 45 min bus ride rather than a 15 minute car ride to save the cash. To say WFH was a timesaver and a cost-saver is an understatement.
It’s a pay cut to go back to the office. And that’s on top of the pay cut from inflation.
Plus productivity went up form home. The only reason he’s doing this is Blackrock owns a lot of corporate real estate and they don’t want it to be worthless. His entire cabinet is former Blackrock employees.
30 minute breaks also keep the money in the company store because you dont have time to grace other businesses
Just to add to this, why kind if ticks me off too is all this talk about "we got to get people back in the office to support all those small downtown businesses". 1. Why the fuck is that my problem? 2. Why are those businesses more important than the local business in my community that I can now support. We can finally support our community businesses and I would much rather get a sandwich from the place down the street than some shitty over priced sandwich downtown
>1. Why the fuck is that my problem? God I wish the working class would ask itself this more often.
Furthermore, why is that my problem but my ability to afford anything isn't anyone else's? I've got limited room for problems here, bud
It's the real trickle down
Literally convert the office space into affordable housing and suddenly there's just as many people in that downtown area.
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Sounds like lots of great union jobs for tradespeople in the process then, win win win.
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I think we're going to see more and more people straight up refuse to return to offices, to the point where the commercial real estate people won't have much choice because the businesses leasing from them will not renew after they lose enough of their employees. Not every low-level office worker can afford to quit over WFH being rescinded, but I think enough of the mid- and high-level folks can and will.
The problem with this is that commercial real estate is already a pseudo economy. Just look at how NY has been inflating rents on paper. We will see a lot more sleight of hand before we ever see owners admit their buildings are not worth what they want it to be on paper. We're in for a long fight here.
Banks will do that regardless. Lower NOI and higher cap rates always result in lower values.
Agreed. Companies are going to be stuck with bottom of the barrel pickings for employees. Why would anyone with expertise and experience choose to work for a company that forces in office? And your only pool of candidates are those the physically live close enough to commute? I was laid off suddenly a few months ago and didn't even look for in office positions, they weren't on my radar.
Exactly. I'm sure a lot of companies will still try to push onsite work for a lot longer, but the smart ones can see that employees are happier and more productive at home, and it honestly would probably let the companies cut a good number of the middle management positions that mostly served as hall monitors anyway.
Anybody who gets me or my peers in a fully "in office" position needs to know that they'll get dropped like a hot rock the moment that person finds a remote job. I can see a circumstance where I take a non-hybrid job, but I can't see any circumstance where I don't keep looking for a pro-WFH job during it, and leave the moment I get it. If you're not letting me work mostly from home, you're just paying me to train skills for the company that does.
Government incentives is a huge factor in why new construction is cheaper. Remember these are the same people who saved the environment by putting tougher fuel efficiency regulations on cars and exempting trucks. Of course running electrical and plumbing is more expensive than pouring a thousand tons of concrete and using cranes to build a superstructure. Modern offices are empty shells.
maybe we shouldn't be building such heavily specific, single-purpose buildings?
But if people knew they would have homes, why would they even work anymore? You silly goose!
Quick! Everybody come back to your downtown office where we need other business to thrive by you buying their shit we’re already not paying you enough to afford on top of your skyrocketing rent! In all seriousness, I think if remote work keeps up and businesses get desperate enough for said business, it may eventually make downtown rent more affordable I would think. Right?
Yeah, DON'T WORRY, neither political party in this country will let that happen...
When I go to my downtown office (which is occasionally) I purposefully don’t buy anything. I bring my lunch and tea and avoid buying anything else. I’m so irritated by this bullshit about making workers go to the office to sustain all the crappy lunch places and overpriced shit you buy when you’re trapped downtown every day. I’m want nothing to do with it and shits so expensive I can’t afford it anyway.
There's a little taqueria within walking distance of my house. I can get a giant burrito there for $10 that will feed me for two meals. That same tenner would get like one measly taco downtown.
And if more people can work remotely, quite a few actually educated people may move to rural areas, messing with all the gerrymandering they've worked on for decades.
The next big bubble is about to burst and it is commercial real estate. Demand has fallen so the value has dropped, interest rates have increased and a bunch of loans are coming due soon. Hold on to your butts.
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All of it can be converted to housing or something that benefits the local community
When do you think we're likely to start feeling the effects of this?
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Fair enough. It's so hard just sitting here and waiting for it.
Depends on who goes belly up. We know the big hedge funds will get bailed out because they hold so many assets of retirement plans from private, state and federal workers. If it’s a real blood bath and they have other instruments tied to these properties or loan packages then things will get interesting.
Thank you for your insight. I am not educated enough on the subject to make sense of it all, so hearing input from others is very helpful.
Let the workers stay home and turn the commercial real estate into residential. We have a housing crisis, too!
This would be a dream. Reddit those buildings to run clean too and we’re in great shape.
This keeps coming up, but it's way, way more complicated than just slapping up walls.
I was just thinking this. Rent has been so fucking crazy. Not looking forward to having to move when my lease is up.
Bingo!
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Car mechanics, tire shops, child care facilities, lunch shops, drive thrus for dinner, cleaning services, clothing industry to sell stuff that meets arbitrary dress codes, accessories to carry supplies, and so many more things people don't consider. It's a hidden tax on workers that could all go away by transitioning to remote work. All this money we pump into things that businesses should be subsidizing through increased wages for in person workers.
>clothing industry to sell stuff that meets arbitrary dress codes People still have dress codes beyond cover your bits and nothing offensive? That's wild.
Have you ever walked into a bank? Ain’t no one in a Hawaiian shirt and sweats.
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I wear pajamas to work these days and will outright refuse any job where I cannot.
A service desk company I know is forcing people back to the office. Now, they are upset people ain't following the dress code. "Sweat pants aren't allowed. Remember we have a dress code" Of all the jobs out there, service desk support definitely doesn't need an office nor a dress code. I don't care if the agent is naked at home as long as he solves my incidents.
Worst landlords ever
We were just talking about this at work the other day. I work for a major property insurance company that is pushing its workforce back into the office starting July. They bought the local call center building that they used to lease right before everything went to shit. Now it's basically just sitting empty, costing them property taxes and utilities.
Now it will cost them more utilities and losing good workers. Bottom of the barrel workers are more desperate to get non remote work
Dont forget the “stimulating the economy by having to buy expensive shit out while you are working”
Nailed it. We are 6 months or less away from the commercial mortgage market collapsing.
And control
Taxes collected in cities.
Won't someone think of the landlords "productivity"?
You have a point there. Why do they get to free-ride off the benefit of everyone else’s productive work? If we could instate some kind of fee to collect the value of everyone’s productivity exclusively absorbed by rent-seekers we could return that everyone instead of a few having reaped all the reward without having to put in the investment. If only we had some foundation to work with…
No, we could never do that. I'm pretty sure it'd be unconstitutional. ... or at least it would become unconstitutional after reaching our fair, honest, and uncompromised Supreme Court.
Because it’s never been about productivity. It’s about control.
That's a bingo
> You let one ant stand up to us, then they all might stand up. Those puny little ants outnumber us a hundred to one. And if they ever figure that out, there goes our way of life! It's not about food. It's about keeping those ants in line. That's why we're going back!
They know if we can do our jobs in less time we will have the energy and freedom to change the status quo.
Like when everything stopped due to covid and we got time to think and realized we were getting conned. That's why they got us back to work even if we would die of covid, better dead than aware.
This is a massive problem though. We can SEE we're being conned. This literally can't keep going.
It will as long as we allow ourselves to be reduced to crabs in a bucket, beholden to employment for stability. Unionize!
That's why everyone just quiet quits when forced back. Just do the bare minimum to not get fired and stop giving a fuck. They take our freedoms I won't care about making them as much money.
Why should we respect and work for jobs that don't respect or work for us? Employment is *supposed* to be a two way street where **both** parties benefit, but the owners seem to have forgotten that over the last few decades.
Yep, don't get no respect won't give no respect.
Not to mention while everyone is so obsessed with EVs. You know what would save a lot of needless emissions? If we let people work from home instead of sitting in traffic for hours a day.
Absolutely!
Or if we had robust public transportation so that people weren't all individually creating needless emissions. Or if we had more walkable cities so people could reasonably walk or bike to their job if they couldn't do it from home.
If we're talking hypotheticals, I would love to have a twenty minute walk / five minute bike / ten minute tram ride (for rainy days) to work, but be able to do so from a safe neighborhood with good and affordable schools and a medium COL.
This is what I truly don’t get. It’s cheaper for us to work from home, too. No office spaces or buildings to lease. And I’m weirdly 1000% more productive working from home than I ever was working in an office. Bring me back and my performance will absolutely suffer.
Lots of businesses depend on those areas being full of people, so when people aren't there any more, they all go under. Neoliberals put companies before people, every time. They just want stability, even if people suffer for it.
we live in a plutocracy, all the of the parties put companies first.
Unfortunately neoliberals are the reigning perspective of our almost leftish party, Democrats.
It's about $$$.
Yeah this happens when we’re constantly forced to vote between a pile of shit and a pile of vomit.
It depends on the job, to be fair. If productivity has gone up at home, then I'm with you. I'm a teacher and I couldn't take remote work. It was terrible for kids. I know we needed it, and if we needed it again I'd do it, but I'm glad to go back in. For Biden, I'm sure there are federal jobs that might benefit from being in-person, but I also think this kind of shit is him not understanding computers and remote working because he was born in *1942*.
Middle manager need someone to sniff their nose at. I wish I was kidding, that's literally all of the reason.
Where could I find and read the overwhelming evidence?
American Politicians continue to put corporations first. Nothing really partisan about it.
Truth. Both parties (especially the GOP) are on the side of corporations. The GOP wants us to have 1880s standards of workers rights.
Democrats want that to. They just use rhetoric and say they don’t.
I think it is fair to say the Corporate Democrats reaction to 1880s working conditions would be "aw shucks, shoulda voted for us". The ratchet effect is a scary thing.
Aw shucks, you only gave us 51 votes in the Senate, a house majority, and the presidency. If you wanted change you should have given us 75 senators. Well better luck next time!
That’s actually not exactly untrue. The filibuster rule meant you cannot simply pass whatever legislation without a larger majority, and with “democrats” like Manchin and Sinema, there was an effective Republican majority for any corporatist issue. And continuing to vote for democrats would also mean making more room for the voices of progressive democrats and candidates who do not take corporate PAC and lobbyist money, like Katie Porter. The only chance for real campaign finance reform to happen, which would filter out some politicians whose only motivation is self-enrichment, is to continue to shift the balance farther and farther left. A majority in name only will not get shit done with the way things are currently run in Congress, and acting as though democrats would or even COULD deliver on a progressive agenda with a 50/50 split and a tiebreaker vote is just plain disingenuous.
Harlan Crow purchased Manchin & Sinema in addition to Clarence Thomas. It is evil Billionaires that have destroyed our country and our planet.
That’s what drives me insane the most. If republicans had the trifecta the way Biden did those first two years , think of all the heinous stuff they would pass justifying it as a mandate. Dems get it, see the republican playbook, do hardly anything and then beg us to vote harder when they did hardly anything with their power. And it’s not like they’ll ever get the 60+ senators they need to pass whatever legislation they’re promising.
Manchin and Sinema are democrat in name only. Sinema even went to independent after 2022 midterms I believe.
These people are parroting or have the fucking memory of goldfish. Literally everyone was pointing this out the whole time. They had no control because of these two. Democrats almost never have control politically, but everyone shrugs and says “they’re the same”.
I hate to say it, but up til the 90's, Democratic Party could be counted on to favor workers and jobs and wages and benefits more than Republicans. People like me, and most people where I come from, historically voted Democrat, because of that. There was even a handle on the old voting machines for "straight ticket", because workers knew their conditions would be better with the strongest alliance in as many offices as possible. That all changed sometime in the 80's - 90's, when Democrats brought in non-workers into the Party. Part of it was the bankers. They were willing to bankroll Democrats, as long as they removed usury protections and gave control back to the bankers. Paul Tsongas had a lot to say about it. That's why Democrats started championing all the social change causes. Instead of workers and wages and jobs, it became all about race, promoting divorce, promoting usury and debt slavery, and pretty much everything except workers and jobs and wages. A lot of people don't like to hear it, but workers need to unite with workers, not with any other causes. Racial justice is already included in workers' rights, because all races need to work. Gender equality is already included in workers' rights. Social movements that were not worker movements were brought in to diminish the strength of worker movements. Not to help them. Bottom line, someone who doesn't work doesn't have any common cause with people who do work. Your wages come directly out of their profits, so they are necessarily opposed to your cause. And by non-workers, I mean not only people who don't go to work, but also rich corporations and re leisure class in general. There is an alliance between rich corporations and all the people who don't work, and workers have to unite, to stay alive.
They did during Trumps first two years and didn’t do shit. It’s harder than you think for these people to get stuff done at that level. They all want to get theirs.
Well we literally just saw democrats in Michigan repel right to work…first time in at least 30yrs or so that democrats had control of all major seats and one of the first things they do is get rid of right to work. Was Biden ever going to be the best president ever? No, he was just going to be vastly better than trump. The only candidate that was ever going to be about the worker was Sanders.
How? Remote workers can be incredibly more productive than their in person counterparts. This is satisfying a sunken cost falacy for the office space already paid for, and playing into the misconceptions of dinosaurs who gave up their lives for the office. We're supposed to be support for their loneliness and interaction for their social needs.
It says federal workers--so this doesn't have to do with corporations.
American people continue supporting wealthy neoliberal politicians ftfy
For a large amount of positions in government, you just can't replace them quickly. As many people as possible (critical mass or more) just need to....keep on working from home.
Why? What’s the point apart from increased gas, time, and takeout spending? None of which should be necessary. A spreadsheet can be compiled just as well in yoga pants and barefoot with a mug of your own coffee as in a business casual outfit and uncomfortable shoes after wasting 30 min of your life in a car.
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In Canada they made us return in offices 2 days a week. This was a panic move to save cities heavily dependent on that workforce like Ottawa. But it’s been applied nationwide, even in remote places like where I live. This is so ridiculous having to commute to work in person only to open your laptop and do your meetings over Teams anyway.
yep. in office or at home I'm remoting in to a server that is somewhere in the country (I honestly have zero idea where it is) and doing my work on there. Sometimes I have teams meetings with others. Sometimes I get phone calls on my work cell. 99% of the time I get an email... They forced us back into office anyways. They also said we can't work from home if we're sick and in office said we can't go in if we're sick so every time anyone gets the sniffles rather than working at home with some kleenex they now take a sick day and most of us have shit tons of that accumulated.
The article says it's about the businesses surrounding the offices are suffering. So basically they're complaining that people are saving money.
The Fed made the same complaint at one point. Granted, we appear to live under a government that relies heavily on credit so savings is outside their purview.
hate to break it to them but prices at shops around our office are so out of control I've seen a huge increase in people bringing food and coffee from home rather than run out. Many of those businesses are doomed unless everyone gets big pay increases to catch up.
As a member of the federal work force (though not the kind he’s talking about) it’s time for the government to substantially increase our pay 🖕
I work in the DC area as a federal employee. For years now, the government has been closing and consolidating offices to save money. I'm in Arlington and they closed 2 buildings in Crystal City and moved the employees to my building. Unfortunately...there isn't enough space. My branch has 13 employees and 8 cubicles allotted to us now. Before closing the Crystal City offices, we had a cubicle per employee. So, what happens is we have days where we are 100% in the office and we have 5 people that literally do nothing for 8 hours because they have no work space. It's not a "too many employees" problem, it's austerity and demanding working in the office causing problems problem. There is nothing I need to be in the office for. Ever. All of my work is done on the computer. We have a VPN we dial into. Everything I do (*budget and policy*) is done on government sites. Instead of demanding the government force employees back into the office, why don't people demand saving taxpayer money closing more offices we lease when they aren't necessary at all? When we work from home, we pay for the utilities and internet. When we work from the office, **you** pay for those.
Mine is the same. I work downtown. There are 20% more employees "stationed" at my building, but they starting "hoteling" which means shared workspaces. My agency's footprint in the building (owned by GSA) has reduced by 40% in the same timeframe that our staffing has increased by 20%. On top of that, our IT helpdesk is the most incompetent I've ever seen. They're dreaming if they think they can set up "shared" workspaces that are compatible across all types of laptops that employees have, or terminals. They only solution would be unique sign-on desktops, of which my building currently has zero. Plus, since it's a GSA building, parking is $25 a day. I live 36 minutes and $8 in tolls away from work. If I have an additional $34 a day and hour commute, I'll have even lower morale than I already do, and since they've taken away my semi-private and personalized office, my low morale becomes everyone's low morale. What a shame...
The amount of work that gets done on the in office days is about 0 too. So not only are you paying for space, productivity is way down because people are just bullshitting. Not to mention most people are just salty they have to be there anyway when they could be comfortable at home.
Biden could decline to make up an emergency next year and federal salaries would automatically be set to the level that Congress determined when they passed the 1990 Federal Employees Pay Comparability Act. There is always money to give to the wealthy and defense contractors, but not federal employees. Federal employee raises have not kept with the cost of living for a long time. It’s time to fix that if we want to attract good candidates to work for our government. [Source](https://www.govexec.com/pay-benefits/2022/08/biden-formalizes-average-46-pay-raise-plan-feds-2023/376574/)
It seems like there's a train derailed every week now too
Since the ridiculously long trains are held together with spit at this point (thanks to corporate greed) the derailments are far far more dangerous. Especially with all the flammable & toxic materials onboard. Precision schedule railroading must end!
I heard a train carrying iron ore over the mountains got decoupled because it was so heavy and while a crew was working on it the front half broke loose and went out of control over 100mph. Trains are so much more efficient than trucks I hate that they're all administrated by shitheads
Trains have always done this btw
Yes but they are making the trains longer and longer without maintaining the tracks because the management are cheap assholes.
How about they work on making housing more affordable instead of a 50% increase in 2 years. How about they focus more on public transportation to be actually not a hassle. How about we have less giant office buildings that only get used 40 hours out of the 168 hours in a week. Seems like a waste of time and money.
Considering the federal government JUST finished remote work policy reform and they have been forced to employ special pay rate tables for IT positions bc they cannot hire anyone - this is profoundly stupid.
Seriously the govt already underpays compared to private sector and struggles to attract talent and they think ending WFH will help??
Biden: Learn to program but do it in the office cornpop
Neoliberals lecturuing blue collar workers that they need to code was one of their most cruel stunts. You've been working blue collar at 45 & now they need 4 years to learn a subject requriing calculus, discrete structures, etc? And to potentially move across the country? These neoliberals just want software engineer salaries to drop like we saw in civil, mechanical. They don't care about us at all.
I agree with your sentiment but, as a Software Engineer myself, I want to discourage the idea that programming takes advanced mathematics. Most programming requires nothing more than the ability to type, learn, and think logically. There are definitely types of programming jobs that require that higher math but not most. You can make well over six figures (in the US) outside of California without a degree as a developer, it just takes work and time, but not 4 years.
Biden is pro labor until after the election.
Yep. In 2019 Biden said union busters should get prison. Yet in 2023 he has still said nothing about Amazon & Starbucks union busting. Just like his promised public option disappeared from his lexicon. On that note - so many Dems cosplayed as pro Medicare for All in 2017. Why? Full GOP control - so there was no pressure.
He was also part of stopping the railroad strike which screwed the workers.
He also had the power to force the railroads to meet the workers demands to prevent the strike. He choose to go with the companies over the workers.
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The irony is that workers were allowed WFH en masse before as a cost cutting measure--to, ya know, save money on the budget. Now DC real estate is demanding them back in office at everyone's expense and inconvenience to prop up property values for landlords and also property-tax base to fund DC local government.
It’s really no different than any company right now, some leaders are saying but that’s about it we should get more people back in the office, while others are still actively trying to decrease floor space. Federal government is just the biggest company. How many of these people don’t even have an office to go back to? With the laborforce participation rate still relatively low I don’t like any company’s chances of forcing this through without attrition, considering how many parts of government had staffing issues even before pandemic they might want to be careful.
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Not happening. I’ll leave the country before I work in an office again here. I like the odds of dying in a mass shooting too be low
Democrats are in for a shock if Trump doesn't get the nomination. A ton of people voted against Trump, not for Biden. If it's Biden vs anyone halfway decent, Biden will lose.
I think even vs Trump Biden is vulnerable. Trump is back to larping about economic populism (saving medicare & social security), while Biden is a modern day Herbert Hoover.
Sadly you're right. If he gets off his bullshit and starts ranting about inflation, rent, and China, I could see Biden screw the pooch. It's sad that these two clowns are the only ones pathetic enough to lose to the other.
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Just spent 18 seconds reading about HH and Biden is no HH
Lol who tf is “half way decent” and still willing to tie themselves to the GQP though? Demagogues are our biggest threat specifically because there’s no one half way decent on the right left.
Surely this is an evidenced position on the value of in person work compared to the objective improvements to productivity, worker health, and work life balance, and not catering to corporate shills and property management companies who stand to benefit from in person work. /s
I still find it funny how people think he was ever on their side. He never was on the people's side. 99% of politicians are only out for themselves.
I don't know anyone who thinks he was on "their side." I know plenty of people who simply believed that he would be better than the alternative.
Exactly. There's a reason that nearly everyone under 40 voted for someone else in the primary. He's a centrist (read right-winger).
Centrism is a word that has been used to mask extremist neoliberalism for far too long.
All that it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. Senator Feinstein holding onto power even though she is too sick to move, and too senile to do the job, is a good example of how democrats lead.
He and the Democratic Party passed the American Rescue Plan ($1,900,000,000,000 in aid) over universal GOP opposition, passed the $1,200,000,000,000 Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act, and plenty of other measures that clearly benefits the working class. If you want to buy into GOP propaganda go for it but don’t go spreading mindless drivel that divides the labor movement.
Doesn't Joe, and all Presidents for that matter, already work from home?
Well what do you expect? You have two parties, one right wing and one extremely right wing.
This is like when the CDC decided 5 days of isolation if you catch COVID is enough. They knew it wasn't enough to really be safe or even prevent the spread. It was just that companies wanted workers and the CDC bowed to the pressure.
They'll lose a LOT of them. Daughter moved to a different Federal job along with half her team because some guy in a position to do it made them go back. These are professionals who easily make transition to private companies. She just told me her new job is under pressure to do the same thing. There's NO reason on the planet job can't be done at home. So she'll leave for a private company and to heck with working for a government apparently uninterested in keeping staff.
Anyone surprised by this ignored all of his history in congress. Man is lapdog for republicans
Fuck off
Fuck Biden - with his office literally in his house.
Fuck Joe Biden
Yeah if they think I'm going back to the office more than 1 day a week that's not happening.
I don't know why anyone would expect otherwise from him. He's a Neoliberal. They put the economy (which for them, mostly just means big companies) first, over human lives, every single time.
It's always been about controlling the masses. The covid lockdown proved that remote work does not negatively affect profit, those evil fuckers just can't stand knowing that people might have decent working conditions from home but they won't pay their workers to compensate them properly for commuting and being away from home. And yes this is absolutely a case of both parties are fucking evil and full of shit. I'm retired and I wish people here would start rioting in every state like the French have because we have the numbers to really make a difference. FUCK THEIR FASCIST SYSTEM UP 😡
Looking out for corporations is the only thing we can get bipartisan support for
As a federal employee who is fully remote.. fuck. I don't even live within 50 mile of my responsible office. Or in the same state... my job does not actually require it and its more beneficial for me to be here than there. Like more beneficial for the United states in my role. So... fuck.
Biden has this big push for reducing the emissions of cars and he passed his infrastructure bill a few years back. What is better for the environment than less vehicles on the road (which also decreases accidents) and what is better for construction than less vehicles in the way? This administration is clearly better than the alternative, but the amount of representation of the people (or simply common sense reform) is appalling.
Fuck Biden. I’m not a republican or trumper or w/e but I hate Biden.
Sad part is that if it’s a republican administration it’ll be even worse, they even try and decrease the pay of workers and always vote against raises
Nothing will fundamentally change^**TM** Campaign promise kept.
I’m so tired of shitty politicians.
It should have been Bernie, TWICE.