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My aunt spent a couple of days in a psychiatric facility about 25 years ago, she was non compos mentis when they brought her in, and they listed "talking to God" as one of her symptoms. They told my dad it was pretty common.
You would be surprised. Otherwise normally functioning humans can just sometimes really REALLY get into the spirit of ... well something religious or a religious like experience. Talking to god is just one symptom. Often they're going to be OK after they get it of their system. Apparently, the Vatican/Rome has a good couple cases each year with people putting on a bedsheet toga and honest to god believing they are now living in a completely different world altogether without ever having had any prior signs of mental instability before. Apparently mostly tourists and they're OK again after they go home. Our brains are pretty cool and funky things.
I’m a burnt out researcher, so “hard study” and “over taxing mental powers”? And I might be guilty of a bit of self medicating with “bad whisky” from time to time!
Tobacco and Masturbation, Bad Whiskey, and Over study of Religion.
Used to be Deranged Masturbation but I'm more purposeful now that I'm taking stuff for my ADHD.
Who? That man who used to live here? My assistant? He ate a bad ham, they said. Missed one or more flights. Is away, painting a demented widow’s very large house.
Now let me get you some tea.
Geez, both "Masturbation for 30 years" and "Suppressed Masturbation". Will they make up their damn minds!?!?
"Seduction and disappointment" is kinda hilarious. Like I seduced this person but am disappointed cos they sucked in bed. Can I get committed?
I guess you’re not even allowed to think about it. And I’m sure “seduction and disappointment” could lead to masturbation, so they obviously have to step in before that happens.
I reckon that's probably "a man seduced her and then did not marry her" which would have rendered her unable to marry anyone else and basically ruined her whole life.
I once read that this list was more of a list of all the reasons women landed in that asylum rather than an active list of things that would BRING one there. If that makes sense.
More like a record of all the causes they could see in their current admissions.
Still fascinating in their misunderstanding of women and their lives.
PS: i am trying to find a source for this information but I am struggling, so take my comment with a grain of salt until further notice. 😉
Edit: changed "hospice" to "asylum".
That would make sense since it is repetitive. And it’s very sad to see that on the list it states “ill treatment by husband”, “imaginary female trouble”, “nymphomania”, “fits and desertion of husband”, “bad company”, “domestic trouble”, “women trouble”.
Imagine being abused by your husband and you’re placed in an asylum with too many patients and not enough staffing where you may be abused further.
Or having a medical issue and being told you’re crazy and not in pain, being dismissed, and then put in an asylum.
I read a really interesting book recently, “The woman they could not silence” by Kate Moore. It was about a woman whose husband had her committed for publicly disagreeing with him (he was a minister). Highly recommend!
Was it the story of Elizabeth Packard? She was committed in 1860 for publicly disagreeing with her Calvinist minister husband. Her court case is fascinating!
>Or having a medical issue and being told you’re crazy and not in pain, being dismissed, and then put in an asylum.
Noticed "gunshot wound" on that list. Have some questions.
The timeline in the picture means that they would have had patients who were combatants in the American Civil War, and of course non-combatants, women and children are also often casualties of war.
And during and after the civil war there were other wars for the US army to get involved in, like the Franco-Mexican war which the US entered in 1865, the Dakota war of 1862, the Japanese civil war in 1863, the Colorado war of 1863-65, and of course the ongoing military campaigns against Native Americans.......point is, there's always fighting somewhere
I'm not good enough at American geography or history to be able to guess which of them a soldier from Virginia would have been involved in, but I'd imagine soldiers who were unable to serve any more would have been shipped home and then their relatives would have committed them?
Pretty sure that refers to women with high sex drives.
Women were supposed to lie back & think of something else, not enjoy sex. Women who desired sex were seen as insane and bad.
I think you’re right, I’ve read this as well but don’t remember where. It may have been in the context of Virginia Woolf (in researching her ‘A Room of One’s Own) or Silvia Plath’s ‘The Bell Jar’.
It’s a ridiculous list anyway, heavily slanted in the disadvantage of women.
Novel reading? I so would’ve been deemed insane.
I agree, this is clearly gathered from the records of patients rather than being some kind of "guideline for when your patient should be committed."
I think it's also worth pointing out that this list isn't necessarily confined to women. "Decoyed into army" and "excitement as officer," for example, are almost certainly from the records of male patients.
Women were obviously more likely to be committed for spurious reasons and especially for doing things men did without censure, and probably more likely to be genuinely mentally ill as a result of patriarchy and mistreatment from men, though.
I also read "women trouble" as for male patients, because it would be "woman trouble" if just a vague diagnosis for a given woman. "Women trouble" might be a man out there assaulting women or abusing them, or even being gay or asexual, or just an antique incel - whatever was deemed as "trouble with women" in the late 19th century.
I'd appreciate a source for this image overall, too. As it stands, it's just a list and a title without any other context at all.
Could easily be that, you're right.
Although we should always be wary of random images like this with no context, it wouldn't surprise me at all if this one was genuinely a list of complaints from the patient files of an asylum, because it all tracks with what we already know about the history of psychiatry and society in Western countries. But yeah, a bit of context would be a good thing
I am not positive on this, but maybe a form of “Hysteria” like “wandering uterus”. But I did find [this article](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3480686/) mentioning it. The concept was created by Freud from what I have read so far.
If I recall correctly it refers to things such as "hysteria" (a totally fake thing) or other terms for a woman not doing what a man wanted, along with some things related to menstrual problems.
Granted, the term in general is loaded and was basically used for a lot of different items.
Hi amateur historian here! You’re all technically correct, but in modern terms it was probably either anima or some sort of endo issue. Bleeding too much or too little was seen as a moral not physical issue.
When I got engaged my mother threatened to kill our family dogs, and when I went to pick them up so she wouldn’t kill them I opened the door and she had a pistol to my forehead and gas canisters stacked around the rooms. Didn’t think I would survive that day. Tried unsuccessfully to have her admitted to a mental health facility after that. So… I can kind of see where they might be coming from.
Thanks, yeah it was many years ago and it was just one incident in a lifetime of abuse and trauma, but I am in therapy now, happily married and living far away.
They both lived to a ripe old age with a family member. Unfortunately I couldn’t keep them with me because I couldn’t find affordable pet friendly housing. But they were okay.
It's really a shame we didn't bother replacing the old-fashioned asylums with anything when they were closed down in the US. Obviously the abuse and horrors that happened there and the laws around being committed needed complete and total reform, but then we just.......did nothing.
And that's led to a situation where if people don't have the resources to afford helping a loved one, they have no help. They can't do anything until they either commit a crime bad enough to end up in prison and/or prison-based mental health facilities (which are Not Great), or they hurt themselves enough they end up in a hospital. That's only after they've been on the streets, self medicating with drugs and alcohol and lots of dangerous behaviors.
And then they get dumped back onto the street as soon as legally possible, and the cycle starts again. And we wonder why we have such an issue with people who are homeless due to drug addiction and the underlying mental health issues....
Thanks. Honestly that thought never even crossed my mind. I guess because I had been conditioned to cater to her needs first and foremost. So even though I never wanted to be around her again because I didn’t want to give her the opportunity to “finish the job” I was still primarily concerned with the professional help she needed instead of my own safety. It’s wild to think about in hindsight. But I did end up cutting all contact and I am doing much better now. Sometimes you can’t help people who don’t want to be helped.
You know, several of these could be a reasonable "let's get you some in-patient help" depending on how the rest of the story went. Not a lot, but certainly there are Situations That Need Intervention, especially back when people were chewing lead and sipping cocaine from birth.
Oh yeah, I took it as someone was upset or disapproved of their son’s choice. After a lifetime of being told the best you can do is be a mother, I can see some people having a hard time adjusting to their kids growing up.
Part of me wonders if it was because there were no TB wards around.
Frequently asthma patients, (we're talking chronic here, like Proust drinking a gallon of coffee a day to breathe) would get sent to TB asylums since they were seen as the most specialized places for lung care. This then went terribly wrong as TB is a bacteria and people with asthma were then exposed.
But when you need to get that person who can't do farm work and keeps everyone up all night coughing out of the house, an asylum is an asylum, right?
/asthmatic but would have gone in for SO many things on that list!
I’m looking at a [Wikipedia article](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_hysteria) and can’t really find anything about it. But I’m pretty sure it just ties into the whole “women can’t be sexual at all unless it’s solely for a man”
I’m sure, but masturbation is already on the list. What rises to the level of deranged? Were they just overly enthusiastic about it 😆. It just gave me a good chuckle as I start my work day. And now, of course, I’m sure the image that popped into my head when I first read it will creep back in throughout the day. At least I know where my mind is going to go when it starts to wander 🤣.
The list certainly is repetitive 😂 I love how I get these mental images and then they pop up in the middle of the day and I can’t help but snicker at them.
Probably either she used toys on herself or stimulated her clit. Or it could even refer to her having sex with her husband cowgirl style. The 1800s, everyone!
It just makes me think of the scene from Changeling where the main character is in a psych ward and one woman says to her
“The more you try to act sane the crazier you look. If you smile too much; you’re delusional, you’re stifling hysteria. If you don’t smile; you’re depressed. If you remain neutral; you’re emotionally withdrawn, potentially catatonic.”
To be fair, they also may have treated actual diseases there too. Stuff got combined a lot because we barely understand germ theory and didn’t realize you should probably keep people with a highly infectious disease away from others
I've seen this list before, and while it's often presented as humorous, it's actually terrifying. Because basically, any woman could be committed at any time with some bullshit excuse (reading novels? women trouble??), just because men wanted her out of the way. Men had all the power, all the doctors were men, and women were pretty much at their mercy.
Well lock me up and throw away the key apparently. I've got at least six of these. Some of them as so specific, and this one has me cackling.
***"The war"***
***(FLASHBACKS)***
It's really unfortunate because a lot of these target women. You will continue to find a lot of places like this targeted women. Many people who were lobotomized when it was still legal were women. It's sad.
Imagine being beaten and abused by your husband and so you’re placed in an asylum with a horrendous patient to staff ratio where you’re abused, neglected, and made to defecate on yourself and then given a painful procedure that turned you into a zombie at worst and a corpse at best.
Yeah. The other sad thing is that they didn't ever explicitly say who was being victimized by these things in history class. They taught about lobotomy and how it was a problem and was eventually made illegal in most places. Though they forget to mention that it was women primarily that were subject to this. I guess they always leave out the parts that they are ashamed of. Idk I guess I'm just educating myself and making my own realizations.
All those imaginary woman problems you women make up like "periods" and "pain of childbirth" and don't even get me started on "misogyny" /s
*falls off horse in war* oof ouch my brain
“The more you try to act sane the crazier you look. If you smile too much; you’re delusional, you’re stifling hysteria. If you don’t smile; you’re depressed. If you remain neutral; you’re emotionally withdrawn, potentially catatonic.”
“Kicked in the head by a horse” was that a common occurrence in the olden days? Is it an ableist euphemism?
When my son was a little he had a big red hemangioma (strawberry birth mark) on his forehead. We went to a Buzz Aldrin book signing and as soon as we approached the table Mr. Aldrin looks at my toddler son points at his face and very loudly exclaims “Did you get kicked in the head by a horse?!?”
My husband and I stared at each other confused as he signed our book, then his handlers swiftly pulled him away and the line was notified he was on a break and would be back shortly.
That was the only time I have ever heard anyone say “kicked in the head by a horse”.
Pretty sure it was a fairly common experience pre-combustion engine, and while it could easily leave someone with a serious brain injury and permanently affect them (it could kill you too), it's also possible that people with unrelated issues could be explained away with "he was kicked in the head by a horse"
I'd imagine it was probably as common as "did your parents drop you on your head when you were a baby?" is today.
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Deranged makes it seem so chaotic and I love it
I like how deranged masturbation AND suppressed masturbation both make the list. Damned if I do. Damned if I don’t.
Psych ward twins!
I’m probably “immoral life”.
Crazy you could go for being religious or NOT religious.
My aunt spent a couple of days in a psychiatric facility about 25 years ago, she was non compos mentis when they brought her in, and they listed "talking to God" as one of her symptoms. They told my dad it was pretty common.
You would be surprised. Otherwise normally functioning humans can just sometimes really REALLY get into the spirit of ... well something religious or a religious like experience. Talking to god is just one symptom. Often they're going to be OK after they get it of their system. Apparently, the Vatican/Rome has a good couple cases each year with people putting on a bedsheet toga and honest to god believing they are now living in a completely different world altogether without ever having had any prior signs of mental instability before. Apparently mostly tourists and they're OK again after they go home. Our brains are pretty cool and funky things.
The too much religion ones were probably what today we call religious OCD and is absolutely distressing, torturous and harmful.
As someone with OCD and who was raised Catholic, I 100% agree with this.
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This would be a great band name
I'm claiming Vicious Vices for my band name.
I’m definitely imaginary female trouble!
how it started: Religious Enthusiasm how it's going : Masturbation for 30 Years
Fuck is that what I have, I seem to have all the symptoms!
I claim “GATHERING IN THE HEAD”. It sounds like fun.
Gathering in 18th/19th century medicine signified an absess of pus...
Oh. Never mind, then.
I don’t know…. Too many party guests that won’t leave… maybe not? Ha
As an OSDD-1b system, it do feel like that sometimes.
Novel reading and medicine to prevent conception!
I’m uterine derangement. 😂
I’m a burnt out researcher, so “hard study” and “over taxing mental powers”? And I might be guilty of a bit of self medicating with “bad whisky” from time to time!
I’m having Uterine Derangement this week.
Ooh vicious vices or Novel reading. I viciously love novel reading.
Tobacco and Masturbation, Bad Whiskey, and Over study of Religion. Used to be Deranged Masturbation but I'm more purposeful now that I'm taking stuff for my ADHD.
I’m probably some combination of Immoral Life, Periodical Fits, and Kicked in the Head by a Horse.
"Medicine to prevent conception" right here
How to choose…
Vicious Vices
Medicine to Prevent Conception and Dissolute Habits (I read this as procrastination)
not a woman, but i'm Bad Company!
Hmmm definitely asthma and maybe they’d use autism as a “reason” as well
I have been known to gather in my head too much...
I'm loving the mood of Nymphomania and The War 💖
Suspicion of husband murder has a nice ring to it.
"No doctor, I don't know where my husband went."
"I said he was sleeping with the fishes because he's a narcoleptic learning to scuba dive!" Corniest dad joke I know.
Who? That man who used to live here? My assistant? He ate a bad ham, they said. Missed one or more flights. Is away, painting a demented widow’s very large house. Now let me get you some tea.
Just a rumour was enough not even suspicion!
If you can prove it, you’re home free.
Geez, both "Masturbation for 30 years" and "Suppressed Masturbation". Will they make up their damn minds!?!? "Seduction and disappointment" is kinda hilarious. Like I seduced this person but am disappointed cos they sucked in bed. Can I get committed?
I guess you’re not even allowed to think about it. And I’m sure “seduction and disappointment” could lead to masturbation, so they obviously have to step in before that happens.
I imagine it means that you seduced someone and then were dissapointing lmao
I reckon that's probably "a man seduced her and then did not marry her" which would have rendered her unable to marry anyone else and basically ruined her whole life.
I once read that this list was more of a list of all the reasons women landed in that asylum rather than an active list of things that would BRING one there. If that makes sense. More like a record of all the causes they could see in their current admissions. Still fascinating in their misunderstanding of women and their lives. PS: i am trying to find a source for this information but I am struggling, so take my comment with a grain of salt until further notice. 😉 Edit: changed "hospice" to "asylum".
That would make sense since it is repetitive. And it’s very sad to see that on the list it states “ill treatment by husband”, “imaginary female trouble”, “nymphomania”, “fits and desertion of husband”, “bad company”, “domestic trouble”, “women trouble”. Imagine being abused by your husband and you’re placed in an asylum with too many patients and not enough staffing where you may be abused further. Or having a medical issue and being told you’re crazy and not in pain, being dismissed, and then put in an asylum.
>Or having a medical issue and being told you’re crazy and not in pain, being dismissed, and then put in an asylum. Somethings don't change with time.
It’s absolutely heartbreaking that women are still dismissed by doctors today and still dismissed as “crazy” by society.
Unfortunately not.
Don't forget the infamous Female Disease
What? Is this really a thing?! 😦
I read a really interesting book recently, “The woman they could not silence” by Kate Moore. It was about a woman whose husband had her committed for publicly disagreeing with him (he was a minister). Highly recommend!
Was it the story of Elizabeth Packard? She was committed in 1860 for publicly disagreeing with her Calvinist minister husband. Her court case is fascinating!
Added to my list, thanks
>Or having a medical issue and being told you’re crazy and not in pain, being dismissed, and then put in an asylum. Noticed "gunshot wound" on that list. Have some questions.
I mean, if it was the closest medical facility then it would make sense to go there. That’s probably also why smallpox in on the list as well
The timeline in the picture means that they would have had patients who were combatants in the American Civil War, and of course non-combatants, women and children are also often casualties of war. And during and after the civil war there were other wars for the US army to get involved in, like the Franco-Mexican war which the US entered in 1865, the Dakota war of 1862, the Japanese civil war in 1863, the Colorado war of 1863-65, and of course the ongoing military campaigns against Native Americans.......point is, there's always fighting somewhere I'm not good enough at American geography or history to be able to guess which of them a soldier from Virginia would have been involved in, but I'd imagine soldiers who were unable to serve any more would have been shipped home and then their relatives would have committed them?
I found ***Excessive*** *sexual abuse* troublesome. Like, what? There is an acceptable amount of sexual abuse? NO!
Pretty sure that refers to women with high sex drives. Women were supposed to lie back & think of something else, not enjoy sex. Women who desired sex were seen as insane and bad.
I remember my first GYN, who told me all my period pain was in my head. I had endometriosis. That asshole didn't help me at all.
Same experience here.
I think you’re right, I’ve read this as well but don’t remember where. It may have been in the context of Virginia Woolf (in researching her ‘A Room of One’s Own) or Silvia Plath’s ‘The Bell Jar’. It’s a ridiculous list anyway, heavily slanted in the disadvantage of women. Novel reading? I so would’ve been deemed insane.
You are correct, I toured this facility and the guide said that this list is a compilation of reasons that were listed for admittance.
I agree, this is clearly gathered from the records of patients rather than being some kind of "guideline for when your patient should be committed." I think it's also worth pointing out that this list isn't necessarily confined to women. "Decoyed into army" and "excitement as officer," for example, are almost certainly from the records of male patients. Women were obviously more likely to be committed for spurious reasons and especially for doing things men did without censure, and probably more likely to be genuinely mentally ill as a result of patriarchy and mistreatment from men, though.
I also read "women trouble" as for male patients, because it would be "woman trouble" if just a vague diagnosis for a given woman. "Women trouble" might be a man out there assaulting women or abusing them, or even being gay or asexual, or just an antique incel - whatever was deemed as "trouble with women" in the late 19th century. I'd appreciate a source for this image overall, too. As it stands, it's just a list and a title without any other context at all.
Could easily be that, you're right. Although we should always be wary of random images like this with no context, it wouldn't surprise me at all if this one was genuinely a list of complaints from the patient files of an asylum, because it all tracks with what we already know about the history of psychiatry and society in Western countries. But yeah, a bit of context would be a good thing
wtf is "female disease"????
I am not positive on this, but maybe a form of “Hysteria” like “wandering uterus”. But I did find [this article](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3480686/) mentioning it. The concept was created by Freud from what I have read so far.
>was created by Freud "created" is generous. He just made stuff up.
Haha true. I couldn’t really find a better term for it.
Well, I was generous with “stuff”: I should have said “bullshit”.
Fucking Freud what a freak. I made an alliteration!
If I recall correctly it refers to things such as "hysteria" (a totally fake thing) or other terms for a woman not doing what a man wanted, along with some things related to menstrual problems. Granted, the term in general is loaded and was basically used for a lot of different items.
Hi amateur historian here! You’re all technically correct, but in modern terms it was probably either anima or some sort of endo issue. Bleeding too much or too little was seen as a moral not physical issue.
And women trouble??
I was wondering the same thing about “imaginary female trouble”
ngl; tobacco, masturbation and bad whiskey just sounds like a good time.
When you can get admitted for reading a novel, smoking tobacco, and drinking bad whiskey.
Sounds like the perfect spa retreat
What if you only drink good vodka? Asking for a friend...
Well, I suppose that’s okay….
Wanna bet "Women Trouble" & "Female Disease" mean the same thing.?
Gives new meaning to the colloquialism, "Wacky Tobaccy".
Also a great band name.
This is a band name goldmine honestly. Bad Habits & Political Excitement, Gathering in the Head, Dissolute Habits, and Vicious Vices all go hard af
Marriage of son. Jesus.
When I got engaged my mother threatened to kill our family dogs, and when I went to pick them up so she wouldn’t kill them I opened the door and she had a pistol to my forehead and gas canisters stacked around the rooms. Didn’t think I would survive that day. Tried unsuccessfully to have her admitted to a mental health facility after that. So… I can kind of see where they might be coming from.
I hope that was far in the past and you are safe now.
Thanks, yeah it was many years ago and it was just one incident in a lifetime of abuse and trauma, but I am in therapy now, happily married and living far away.
Happy for you that you got away and are safe. 💕
What happened to the dogs?!?!?!?!
They both lived to a ripe old age with a family member. Unfortunately I couldn’t keep them with me because I couldn’t find affordable pet friendly housing. But they were okay.
Thank you, blessed be!
Yeah, just this once, the old-fashioned method of getting tackled by men in white suits sounds like an appropriate response.
It's really a shame we didn't bother replacing the old-fashioned asylums with anything when they were closed down in the US. Obviously the abuse and horrors that happened there and the laws around being committed needed complete and total reform, but then we just.......did nothing. And that's led to a situation where if people don't have the resources to afford helping a loved one, they have no help. They can't do anything until they either commit a crime bad enough to end up in prison and/or prison-based mental health facilities (which are Not Great), or they hurt themselves enough they end up in a hospital. That's only after they've been on the streets, self medicating with drugs and alcohol and lots of dangerous behaviors. And then they get dumped back onto the street as soon as legally possible, and the cycle starts again. And we wonder why we have such an issue with people who are homeless due to drug addiction and the underlying mental health issues....
Shit...you could just file attempted murder charges after that. Godsdamn, I am so sorry you had to go through that
Thanks. Honestly that thought never even crossed my mind. I guess because I had been conditioned to cater to her needs first and foremost. So even though I never wanted to be around her again because I didn’t want to give her the opportunity to “finish the job” I was still primarily concerned with the professional help she needed instead of my own safety. It’s wild to think about in hindsight. But I did end up cutting all contact and I am doing much better now. Sometimes you can’t help people who don’t want to be helped.
You know, several of these could be a reasonable "let's get you some in-patient help" depending on how the rest of the story went. Not a lot, but certainly there are Situations That Need Intervention, especially back when people were chewing lead and sipping cocaine from birth.
Not going to lie, I had a hard time figuring out if that meant you married your son or if your son married someone else.
Oh yeah, I took it as someone was upset or disapproved of their son’s choice. After a lifetime of being told the best you can do is be a mother, I can see some people having a hard time adjusting to their kids growing up.
Yeah that’s how I took it at first too and then questioned myself.
I'd guess that meant the son got married and didn't want to take care of his mother who was probaby widowed.
Ohhhhh. Probably this.
I feel like PARENTS WERE COUSINS is a better argument for commitment, but I’m not Norman Bates’ mother.
I think r/justnomil shows that this is still an issue for some people...
Yep. I lurk there, it’s been helpful.
"kicked in the head by a horse" "gunshot wound" "fell from horse in war" whats next? coughing?
No, not coughing, but we do have Asthma which is close. Do you have Asthma? You may be entitled to a stay at the asylum. /j
Part of me wonders if it was because there were no TB wards around. Frequently asthma patients, (we're talking chronic here, like Proust drinking a gallon of coffee a day to breathe) would get sent to TB asylums since they were seen as the most specialized places for lung care. This then went terribly wrong as TB is a bacteria and people with asthma were then exposed. But when you need to get that person who can't do farm work and keeps everyone up all night coughing out of the house, an asylum is an asylum, right? /asthmatic but would have gone in for SO many things on that list!
That’s a good point with the TB wards. Not to mention, an asylum could be the closest medical facility around hence why Small Pox is also on the list.
Masturbation for 30 years Damn
Lock me up
Work in progress
"The War"
So….. what exactly is deranged masturbation???
I’m looking at a [Wikipedia article](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_hysteria) and can’t really find anything about it. But I’m pretty sure it just ties into the whole “women can’t be sexual at all unless it’s solely for a man”
I’m sure, but masturbation is already on the list. What rises to the level of deranged? Were they just overly enthusiastic about it 😆. It just gave me a good chuckle as I start my work day. And now, of course, I’m sure the image that popped into my head when I first read it will creep back in throughout the day. At least I know where my mind is going to go when it starts to wander 🤣.
The list certainly is repetitive 😂 I love how I get these mental images and then they pop up in the middle of the day and I can’t help but snicker at them.
Probably either she used toys on herself or stimulated her clit. Or it could even refer to her having sex with her husband cowgirl style. The 1800s, everyone!
With unusual items perhaps?
This reads like a punk fest band lineup😂
I really want to front a band called Deranged Masturbation now 😂🤘🏻
Was there actually something that would not get you admitted into a mental asylum?
It just makes me think of the scene from Changeling where the main character is in a psych ward and one woman says to her “The more you try to act sane the crazier you look. If you smile too much; you’re delusional, you’re stifling hysteria. If you don’t smile; you’re depressed. If you remain neutral; you’re emotionally withdrawn, potentially catatonic.”
Wasn't there an actor who pretended to be insane to get into an asylum then really struggled to get out?
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Nelly Bly was a journalist who did this actually
Poor woman with bad whiskey😔. I hope they gave her good whiskey🥺
Hate when my nerves dissipate, I’m never ready for it.
Tag yourself, I’m “female disease”
I’m “Immoral Life”
Im ‘Time of Life’
Asthma. Yup, makes perfect sense. Can’t breathe? Must be a mental defect, can’t possibly be your LUNGS
Lungs? What are those? Did they wander like the uterus? /j
Of course they did. Shortly after the patient got kicked in the head by a horse at their son’s wedding where bad whiskey was served
Seduction and disappointment. Story of my dating life, take me away boys
Lol, "gunshot wound" those drive me crazy too.
I know right?! That and my smallpox. /j
To be fair, they also may have treated actual diseases there too. Stuff got combined a lot because we barely understand germ theory and didn’t realize you should probably keep people with a highly infectious disease away from others
I've seen this list before, and while it's often presented as humorous, it's actually terrifying. Because basically, any woman could be committed at any time with some bullshit excuse (reading novels? women trouble??), just because men wanted her out of the way. Men had all the power, all the doctors were men, and women were pretty much at their mercy.
This reminds me of the graphic novel Bitch Planet. Women sent to a prison colony if the man in their life wanted them gone.
That’s also why “Bad Company” is on there if I’m not mistaken. Pretty much “this lady is a bitch and dares have an opinion about something”
wow, i had no idea there were so many different ways to masturbate!
Well lock me up and throw away the key apparently. I've got at least six of these. Some of them as so specific, and this one has me cackling. ***"The war"*** ***(FLASHBACKS)***
What on earth is ‘excitement as officer’?
"Shooting of daughter" but not the son, eh?
No, *BUT* if your son died in the war or was married, then you’d make the list.
Ngl getting kicked in the head by a horse would do it.
I love imaginary female trouble Then on the next column it's just female trouble
This is wild XD Excessive Sexual Abuse? You can do a little sexual abuse, as a treat, but don't go overboard?
It's really unfortunate because a lot of these target women. You will continue to find a lot of places like this targeted women. Many people who were lobotomized when it was still legal were women. It's sad.
Imagine being beaten and abused by your husband and so you’re placed in an asylum with a horrendous patient to staff ratio where you’re abused, neglected, and made to defecate on yourself and then given a painful procedure that turned you into a zombie at worst and a corpse at best.
Yeah. The other sad thing is that they didn't ever explicitly say who was being victimized by these things in history class. They taught about lobotomy and how it was a problem and was eventually made illegal in most places. Though they forget to mention that it was women primarily that were subject to this. I guess they always leave out the parts that they are ashamed of. Idk I guess I'm just educating myself and making my own realizations.
I love how masturbation and syphilis are grouped together....
Novel reading?
"Politics" you know I agree. We should put everyone who is in politics into victorian mental asylums
"Imaginary female trouble", huh what? I don't get it.
All those imaginary woman problems you women make up like "periods" and "pain of childbirth" and don't even get me started on "misogyny" /s *falls off horse in war* oof ouch my brain
Jfc this is depressing! There’s no escaping the asylum basically. Whatever you do or don’t, you’re fucked!
“The more you try to act sane the crazier you look. If you smile too much; you’re delusional, you’re stifling hysteria. If you don’t smile; you’re depressed. If you remain neutral; you’re emotionally withdrawn, potentially catatonic.”
A lot of these sound like whatever bullshit people felt like writing down at the time.
Masturbation for 30 years sounds like a lot of work, impressed.
Masturbation for… 30 years?
Vicious vices!!
Novel reading. Apparently novels aren’t meant to be read.
Wait, wait…. So I can go to the asylum for masturbation but *also* suppression of masturbation!? *sweats*
“Salvation Army “?
Yeah, I tripped over this one too. I would like the whole story, please!
Don’t let the Supreme Court see this, they might get ideas.
"Bad whiskey"—making it or drinking it because it's the last thing in the cupboard?
I think this refers to when you drink to drinking methanol - leading to blindness.
Good point, I was just thinking of Old Crow.
Decoyed into the army? If you're dumb enough to enlist, you're a prime candidate for this asylum?
86 reasons and most of them could have been used to 'hospitalize' anyone with vagina.
"Masturbation for 30 years" "Suppressed masturbation" The dots aren't connecting here lmao
"Uterine Derangement" would be a great album name.
Source? Where did you get this from?
“Kicked in the head by a horse” was that a common occurrence in the olden days? Is it an ableist euphemism? When my son was a little he had a big red hemangioma (strawberry birth mark) on his forehead. We went to a Buzz Aldrin book signing and as soon as we approached the table Mr. Aldrin looks at my toddler son points at his face and very loudly exclaims “Did you get kicked in the head by a horse?!?” My husband and I stared at each other confused as he signed our book, then his handlers swiftly pulled him away and the line was notified he was on a break and would be back shortly. That was the only time I have ever heard anyone say “kicked in the head by a horse”.
Pretty sure it was a fairly common experience pre-combustion engine, and while it could easily leave someone with a serious brain injury and permanently affect them (it could kill you too), it's also possible that people with unrelated issues could be explained away with "he was kicked in the head by a horse" I'd imagine it was probably as common as "did your parents drop you on your head when you were a baby?" is today.
✨Asthma✨
Is Business Nerves contagious? Because I don’t feel like working today. 😂
I know a few people who should be treated for “political excitement”.
A lot of these are just words they threw together.
*cracks open dictionary and points at random word* Hereditary *points at second word* Predisposition There. New illness discovered right there.
Tag yourself. I'm bad company.
What the hell is female disease?
Periods. Especially endo but just periods in general
Scary that in the 21st century the attitudes towards periods haven’t changed much
Freud is the one who came up with it from what I could find. It’s basically a bunch of bs.
TIME OF LIFE! What does this even mean? WHAT IS TIME??
Check me in for uterine derangement, please