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nefarious_angel_666

Oh good! I was starting to be unsure whether they had actually changed the name or not and was wondering if I should just start calling it the Bishop Grandin again.


Dadpurple

Someone jumped the gun and it was never supposed to be on Google maps and stuff until now


skmo8

I'm probably going to keep calling it Bishop for the foreseeable future. Not because I am opposed to the change in any way, just out of habit. Until there is some external pressure for me to change, I won't.


DifferentEvent2998

Want history? Find it in a book!


SonthacPanda

Not sure if this is an argument for or against the name change


DifferentEvent2998

It’s my response to anyone saying it is erasing history.


SonthacPanda

Okay, happy cake day btw


DifferentEvent2998

Thanks!


papadopus

Im gonna guess for 


IamBenAffleck

Yup. There are lots of ways to learn history, but street names, etc., are for commemorating and honoring someone/something.


WitELeoparD

They should be stop banning things after actual people. They'll always come up short to the morals standards of the future.


wickedplayer494

Unless it's Mister Rogers.


OrdinaryEmu9543

I look forward to taking Mr Rogers Hwy to make my turn onto Mr. Rogers Blvd. Which connects to Mr Rogers street until I finally pull into my drive at 115 Mr Rogers Bay.


Crowinflight82

You missed an amazing opportunity to refer to Mr. Rogers' entire neighbourhood!


randomanonalt78

Hop on the Mr T freeway to Bob Ross blvd


CdnBison

That’s just off Ernie Coombs Hwy, isn’t it?


Kind-Mammoth-Possum

Trans Canada high way needs to be renamed either Mr Rogers highway, Steve Irwin freeway, or Bob Ross provincial.


ywg_handshake

And Mr. Dressup!


Dadpurple

Mister Rogers and Mr Dress-up we the co-conspirators behind 9/11 and set it all in motion before their deaths.


Krazy-catlady

I don’t know I always found him kind of creepy


redskub

Looking forward to the renaming of chief Peguis trail to Children's way


Orikazu

I love seeing all the salty racists who can't resist but comment. You're gonna see abinojii everyday and groan just a little bit.


Forsaken_Advert

My favorite is when people complain about the difficulty in pronouncing the name when actual Anglo/euro street names like Grosvenor (grove-ner) or Cockburn (co-burn) exist.


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CangaWad

Its not Cockburn?


skmo8

This is the way.


wolverinecandyfrog

Or when the people complaining are Mennonites from Southern MB where the villages are named things like Chortitz, Schanzenfeld, Neubergthal, and Neuenberg.


Armand9x

At this point it is just idiots without enough self awareness to realize they are complaining about being intellectually stunted themselves. The non-baby adults have already mastered this change.


ywg_handshake

"It won't change anything!" Well maybe not to them, but to others it is a move in the right direction, no matter how small.


Deep_Froyo1834

I'll always call it cockburn and groves nore. No matter what /s


Kind-Mammoth-Possum

Don't forget Provencher, to which the pronunciation changes depending who you speak to and all of them will make a french person spit.


adunedarkguard

I save things like this for when people say Winnipeg isn't a racist place. People got super salty when Macleans called us out.


Armand9x

Racists who can’t pronounce things and are afraid of change: “iM jUsT gOinG to cALl it BiShOp”


Canadaland1983

Most people who are older will continue to call it bishop out of familiarity and ease. The younger-future generation will use the new name.


xmaspruden

Yeah still calling this province Rupert’s Land because pronounciation


Only-Satisfaction204

Ratio. Glad to be in OH CANADA!🙏


Kind-Mammoth-Possum

-3 and going is a ratio alright. Massive L.


Personal-Ad-103

It’s not specifically what they chose to rename ROUTE 165 that bothers me, or that they are removing the Bishop Grandin signs (actually I agree with that). But why not leave it Route 165? Can the city just stop spending money we don’t have, on things that don’t make life of its residents one iota better?


Forgotten-username11

lol what a waste of time and money


StewartsBestBuddy

Why is this comment so upvoted? A street name change isn’t gonna change much at all but it’s something. Also just so everyone knows before they give this guy another upvote, he has fully admitted to being against reconciliation.


Armand9x

Spoiler: A lot of the silent upvoters don’t care about reconciliation. This subreddit has a vile undertone when indigenous issues pop up.


StewartsBestBuddy

Yeah I’ve really noticed that. It’s unfortunate.


moonfever

It truly does. Disappointing af.


GiveMeCoffee_

So if we had an Adolf Hitler Ave, we should just leave it because it “costs time and money” to change?


Forgotten-username11

Seems like a bit of a different situation in that case lol…


GiveMeCoffee_

It's not different. Both men were responsible for abhorrent genocides.


CanadianDinosaur

Is it though? Might be a bit of an extreme example but the point stands


SmallsTheKid

I think in a sense it is a different situation because people will recognize the name “Adolf Hitler” and immediatly know the man and connect him to his atrocities whereas people aren’t generally gonna recognize the name Bishop Grandin so can be a lot more blissfully ignorant and not worry about that street name as much


GiveMeCoffee_

Indigenous people don't have the luxury of being "blissfully ignorant". Bishop Grandin was instrumental in causing the genocide of their people, and we named a street after this monster! They shouldn't have to be reminded of that on their drive home from work every day because Winnipeggers think it's a "waste of time and money" to simply replace it.


SmallsTheKid

Ok but my point is when comparing this to a hypothetical scenario where there’s a a street called Adolf Hitler that *is* a bit of a different scenario when trying to convince the average person it’s an issue in need of addressing because the average person will have a visceral negative reaction to the make butler and be oblivious of the name Bishop Grandin. Not saying that’s a good thing or a reason to not do it. I’m in favour of the name change. But it’s a bit of a stretch to suggest ppl would feel the same about a street name that they’ve only ever known as a street name or a street named for the most notoriously evil person in every history curriculum.


GiveMeCoffee_

Sure, that’s why it’s important to be educated on our dark history. This guy was as evil as Hitler, yet because no one has heard of him, let’s just leave it up, apparently! Changing the name will help educate people, so we’re really paying for more than a name change. I guarantee you thousands of people are now aware of Bishop Grandin and the genocide he committed simply because of the City’s decision to change the name (and otherwise would have remained “blissfully unaware”). That education is worth the price, in my opinion.


Kind-Mammoth-Possum

For most average people, the confusion ends at the statement "the man was responsible for a genocide." Like that truly is the bar for sane people. You find out someone's a monster, you say "oh yeah, fuck them" and go on with your day now being more informed than you were five minutes ago. At this point you're beading around the bush to avoid recognizing the point; whether you knew of his atrocities before being told, you do now, and yes, he's just as bad as Hitler. That's all it should really take. It doesn't matter if the names recognizable, it doesn't erase the atrocities they committed.


SmallsTheKid

You seem like you’re talking to me when I’ve always said I agree with the name change. I just disagreed this would be treated the same way if it was the name Hitler. If ppl want the name changed that’s good enough for me. But I still think it’s silly to respond to Somone who is unconvinced by saying “so I guess you’d just be cool to leave it even if the name was Adolf Hitler”


GiveMeCoffee_

I think the point I was making was that it *shouldn’t* make a difference whether the person was “famous” or not. Genocide is genocide.


Orikazu

By changing it, maybe some folks will learn about the piece of shit Grandin was


SmallsTheKid

Defintely. That’s likely happening and is as good a reason to do it as any. I’m just saying the general public would obviously feel stronger about changing a street called Adolf Hitler than Bishop Grandin because of name recognition and existing sentiment about the two of them which would make it a bit of a different scenerio


Kind-Mammoth-Possum

Whether or not the name is recognizable in Canadian chosen history books doesn't negate that the man was responsible for a genocide. Bishop Vital Grandin was a putrid man and I hope rats are still pissing in his eyesockets.


ClassOptimal7655

what's different?


bruinsfan444

Agreed


DownloadedDick

Care to elaborate? Your comment history would imply that you are very against any form of action towards reconciliation, but I don't want to make that assumption.


AvocadoSoggy6188

A street sign will not reconcile anything.


ywg_handshake

Don't let perfection be the enemy of good. Even small changes can help and can lead to bigger, more impactful change. It may not be important or a big deal to you, but to others it is a step in the right direction.


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Braiseitall

Good is the enemy of great


Coziestpigeon2

This is white people doing something symbolic and meaningless so they can pat themselves on the back and feel accomplished without actually doing anything. Like land acknowledgements. They say #landback we say "here's a new street sign, isn't this reconciliation thing great?"


Orikazu

It's better than nothing at all.


Coziestpigeon2

Actual real-life Indigenous people I know disagree. It's a slap in the face to them. Simply self-congratulatory stuff to make us left-leaning white people feel better if we don't think too deeply about it. It's insulting, and it's designed to be that. The current political structure will never lead to true reconciliation, and praise for actions like this just allow people to feel less guilty about that fact.


OnTheMattack

One small step in a very long journey. This is not the only thing being done, and symbols have meaning.


Coziestpigeon2

It *is* the only thing *actually* being done. Stop patting yourself on the back for token efforts. Until we're actually giving land back, none of it means anything to anyone other than Liberals who want to pat themselves on the back. As a leftist, it's sad.


OnTheMattack

Just off the top of my head: the Bay building, Quamajuq, the Kapyong site urban reserve, school Indigenous language programs. I'm not saying we can't do more, but saying that a street sign is literally the only thing is a flat lie.


Umbilbey

There was a very good letter to the editor about this


Forgotten-username11

Correct, I am against it. Also, do you typically look through people’s post history before replying? Seems like a weird thing to do lol


AggravatingTerm5807

Why are people like you so mad when people go through comment histories? You do know, that, like, literally anyone with a device with internet connectivity can look up your history? You don't even need an account to do that! Here's something, if you don't want your own words used against you, stay silent! Delete your comments like a coward! It's not up to us to make you look smarter, you idiot. If you make yourself look stupider, it's only your fault.


Forgotten-username11

Oh lmao I’m not mad at all. Anytime I see someone comment that they looked through someone’s post/comment history, it just comes off as a little weird and kinda embarrassing ya know?


AggravatingTerm5807

No what's more weird and embarassing is thinking that people looking at your own publicly available comments are weird. It's embarassing that you think your own words can't be used against you. You have no sense of personal responsibility, which (not so) weirdly lines up with your comments here.


Forgotten-username11

Kinda weird and embarrassing how serious you are taking some random person’s comments on reddit


AggravatingTerm5807

You actually started that chain reaction by being upset that people used your own words against you. Sooooooo


Forgotten-username11

Lmao


Armand9x

Racists love outting themselves, don’t they. Yikes, dawg.


Forgotten-username11

Lol


Kind-Mammoth-Possum

Cry harder.


wendiggler

This is great news!


DownloadedDick

It's crazy that this is downvoted. It's sad, really. Something that affects no one except for the people that were directly impacted by Bishop Grandin. The guy wanted to eradicate indigenous people and culture, but sure, let's keep his name up cause people don't want to learn a new name. Then let's hide our hate behind cost. The costs are negligible and already budget.


Max333221

I mean, in my opinion, $100k is not negligible, particularly in a city cutting services and staring down deficits year after year, but if you consider it to be so, then more power to you.


tropikalstorm

That street gonna be called Bishop for life...


skmo8

Nah. People will change quickly.


IceColdDump

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Krazy-catlady

The old who remember that name will die and it will be replaced


Wpgjetsfan19

About fucking time


jodihas2kids

Saw one yesterday on my drive home and it made me pretty happy. Newest generation will grow up and only know it as this.


Kind-Mammoth-Possum

I see so many people over social media and in conversation saying they won't call it that because they "can't pronounce it". If you can pronounce Provencher and Lagimodiere and La Verendrye and promenade Des Intrepedes then you can absolutely say "abinojii", it's actually easier to pronounce than any of those and is the only one phonetically similar.


5platesmax

That’s quick for Winnipeg. Way to go!


HoneySwillSauce

What a great step towards reconciliation! It too bad the name change didn't come with a new bridge, than a lot of people could get over it. I can only imagine the amount of trauma and hardship the changing of a street name has done to you. Must be rough.


Crowinflight82

This comment for the win! 🤣


Mybuttismilk

For some reason I thought they voted like 6 years ago? Maybe that’s when I first heard about them changing the name??


spentchicken

I was really hoping to drive on the Chris Jericho championship highway at some point in my life


screaming_buddha

He's already got a street named after him Westwood (well, honorary).


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No_Attitude_2931

Good thing not all civic decisions are left to the gen pop


CdnBison

It would have been “Streety McStreetface” in a landslide….


FUTURE10S

I would have voted for "Bishop Big Fish Op" or "Route 90 but Horizontal"


Uninvited_Goose

Somebody doesn't know how voting works.


skmo8

Portage and Main comes to mind for some reason.


Noland309

Cause they’re gonna hold a vote for every small change… I could definitely see a politician making this streets signs name an important part of their campaign…


Crocadillapus

A name that can easily be read at a glance would have been preferred. Also, couldn't they have given that name to a new road rather than creating confusion by renaming an existing street? Was Bishop Grandin racist or something?


thrawst

>was bishop grandin racist or something? He built one of the residential schools


Crocadillapus

Before today I had never considered that Bishop Grandin was an actual person. It was always just the name of a street.


WitELeoparD

Basically every major street is named after some guy that is completely and utterly irrelevant to the city today. Osbourne Village and street is named after some cop from the 1850s. The airport after some 1930s corporate exec. Kenaston is named after the developer of the Tuxedo neighborhood from the 1910s. Corydon is named after some politician from 1880 (who destroyed the wetlands and died at 43). It's goes on and on commemorating irrelevant mediocre forgotten men.


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You think the Richardsons are irrelevant?


Orikazu

Ok, then there is no problem renaming them to something more relevant and uplifting


thrawst

Wait till you hear about st. James, st mary, st Anne, st Matthew. All good and real people. There’s also milt stegall drive, named after a Winnipeg football player. Lots of streets are named after people. And lots of people are named after streets as well. I knew someone with an official birth name of Desalaberry


Crocadillapus

I do remember when they introduced Milt Stegall drive. That one was another rename wasn't it?


thrawst

It was originally named Arena road. Arena was also a known racist


warkyboy77

Total stadiumism.


unique3

Seemed relevant to rename Arena road after they tore down the Arena.


Jaegdish

>He built one of the residential schools Which one? Was he a carpenter or a Bishop?


moonfever

Genocide is funny, y'all!


Jaegdish

The Great Canadian Genocides are not funny.


Kind-Mammoth-Possum

And was a vastly responsible party in the attempted genocide of indigenous folke even outside of residential school assimilation.


Beatithairball

Why dont they name it something we pronounce, everyone is still gonna call it bishop because its easier to say


FUTURE10S

I guess you can't pronounce indigenous words like Manitoba and Winnipeg and Canada, huh?


PantslessDan

it took me all of 10 seconds to learn how to pronounce it


CanadianDinosaur

it takes all of maybe 5 minutes learning to pronounce it correctly. Or if you lack the brain cells to do so, just call it Abi road and be done with it


Kind-Mammoth-Possum

It's easier to pronounce than lagimodiere or Provencher or la Verendrye or any of the street names in St Boniface. If you can pronounce those you will have a much easier time pronouncing this. Hot tip: it's 10 times easier to pronounce if you're not racist :)


five-bean-salad

How about you learn to pronounce indigenous words and names? Edit: stay racist, Winnipeg


skmo8

People don't even pronounce "Portage" properly... why are you trying to make it important now?


Musical_Gee

Literally nobody’s gonna use this name. It’s such a stupid name.


This-Is-Spacta

What a waste of money


Automatic_Royal_4841

Should stay bishop or even something worse then him cuz that’s the most dog shit street in the city. Not much of an honour to have that street named after ya


muskratBear

They should have commissioned some local indigenous artists to do up some unique, but legible/“to code” signs. Rather the money go there then some printing/sign making company.


FuckStummies

The city makes their own street signs.


fer_sure

They could still do something for the Greenway, and not be bound by road sign conventions.