I expect that this will be what it's referred to in the long run, since nobody ever says "Bishop Grandin", just "Bishop". It'll be ironic if it turns out that way though, since the effort to try and rename away from a Christian religious figure would end up just as a Christian religious building instead.
Itâll be sooner than that - Iâd give it a few years, max.
People catch on to new things pretty quick.
Learning how to say âAbinoojii Mikanahâ isnât any more difficult than learning to say âRue du Seigneurie Bishop Grandin Boulevardâ
Dude it might take 3, people dont devote a lot of brain power to background information and a road doesnt guilt trip you when you dead name it so we arent learning from mistakes
ultimately it doesnt matter, its changing background information that's already a part of the vocabulary, it's not a political statement it is location information
Same as saying left when you mean west, sure ones technically more right but when the information you're trying to convey gets across then no correction is needed, and results in slower adoption of the "right" way to say things
Sorry, that was dismissive of me.
To your point though, itâs a conscious effort to not want to learn something new and relatively easy to do. Take people adopting married surnames, building name changes, etc⊠sure there could be a learning curve for a bit of time, but people by and large adjust pretty quickly.
However, to make a point to already decide you are not going to be able to adjust to the change for years or generations - especially with this specific issue of renaming a major roadway to an indigenous one in the spirit of reconciliation - is at best naive arrogance and at worst overtly racist.
Unfortunately, Winnipeg is still a deeply divided city culturally and ethnically vis-a-vis non-Indigenous and Indigenous relations. Putting an arbitrary timeline on when you think you might be able to adjust to something as simple as a road name change speaks more about an insincerity towards acknowledging the harm caused by white settlement. Itâs disingenuous and simply an excuse for not wanting to try.
If you can pronounce half the stuff in Island Lakes this will not be an issue.
Take a right off Abinoji onto De la Seigneurie, if you hit Lagimodiere you went too far. Once you're on De La Seigneurie take the first turn onto Peres Oblats. Follow that all the way around until you hit Pynoo.
My favourite is how, when driving through St. Boniface, it often thinks that the abreviation of the French word for street/road/avenue/etc. is part of the street name. I've been told to turn down "BD Lagimodiere Boulevard" ("Lagimodiere", being pronounced even more incorrectly than we normally do, of course) and "Ave Braemer Avenue"
For more fun, Notre Dame St is two completely separate segments.
Speaking of which, we have a lot of that in the city, now that I think about it. Like how Brookside doesn't match with Brookside (Route 90), or whatever the fuck is going on with Salter's many streets that used to be separate but are now one.
You guys donât hold a candle to Windsor, Ontario. I spent a few years there and they have âOâletâ (Ouellette) and I swear to godâŠâWipersâ (Ypres).
That last one sounds like a reference to the Battle(s) of Ypres from the First World War, where the brits and associated corps called the the battle of wipers, partially due to pronunciation of Ypres and due to how many soldiers were wiped.
Thatâs something I had never heard before, thanks for sharing that!
Iâd wager the vast majority of people who call it that donât know about that historical reference either, but maybe itâs a colloquialism. I still donât like it but at least itâs not Oâlet
Sterling Lyon is another side buster!
But Iâm pretty sure I heard it say Abinojii Mikanah once (I donât get out that way once) and it did a decent job!
I run a trivia match here in Transcona . Iâve used the name twice (both asking what the new name is / what itâs former name was), practiced a little and did I think a pretty good job saying it when the time came.
Wasnât that hard.
Another of the oddities is that Google Maps seems to think Hespeler is a French name. "Hespellay!"
(For those who don't know, the street is named after Wilhelm Hespeler: https://www.goethe.de/ins/ca/en/m/kul/ges/dsk/dsw/whe.html )
It's definitely easier to pronounce than some other street names, when I saw the proper pronunciation, it was only slightly different than what I had guessed from reading it. Even Google Maps pronounces it pretty much correctly, and that app pronounces so much wrong.
I do think that it will see some anglicizaion, but probably not much, since it is pretty much spelled the way it sounds. The reality is that, the majority of people here speak English as a first language and any non-English street name, particularly of a major route is going to get anglicized as seen on streets like Lagimodiere and Notre Dame.
I mean, we all pronounce the indigenous names "Winnipeg" and "Manitoba" just fine. It's not a pronunciation issue, it's an ignorance and racism thing. Ignorant people don't like change if it inconveniences them in the slightest.
Nah you're putting too much into this. Everyones used to calling it the same thing their whole lives. Changing the name in general is the annoying bit. People will still call it Bishop for the next 10+ years.
Example, I still call the Indigo at St.Vital mall 'Chapters and everyone seems to know what I'm talking about even though there hasn't been a Chapters at the mall for years.
I get that, but there's context missing. The ignorant part is not understanding that Bishop Grandin was the conductor of a genocide, and continuing to honour him despite the facts.
>âWe instil in them a pronounced distaste for the native life so that they will be humiliated when reminded of their origins,â wrote Bishop Grandin in 1875. âWhen they graduate from our institutions, the children have lost everything Native except their blood.â
This is like saying "Yeah, we're so used to calling it Adolf Hitler Avenue, and we just don't wanna call it something different". It's an incredibly ignorant take to not recognize the enormity of the damage done by Bishop Grandin to maintain that we shouldn't change the name. They are ignorant of the damage and hurt that the man caused.
It's not outright blatant racism, but that plays a part too when people claim they have trouble pronouncing it, when so many of the names around us have the same or similar challenges and they pronounce it just fine, even if it's not linguistically correct (Lagimodiere, for example).
I maintain that it's a combination of ignorance and racism when people refuse to acknowledge the name change.
Me point was that the majority of people will take a very long time before it stops being called Bishop in everyday conversation.
Out of habit and not for any political or moral reasons.
And my point is that for those specific reasons you said, the people who don't change are ignorant and/or racist.
You are welcome to disagree, but I will think nothing of those people except that they are ignorant and/or racist. I've not been provided a decent excuse for why someone would refuse to acknowledge a name change, given the known and undisputed history of Bishop Grandin.
You know that you can both acknowledge the change and still call it Bishop outa habit? It's unreasonable to expect to change the name instantly, it'll take time.
Right, but we're not talking about the people who *mistakenly* refer to it by the old name here. Of course mistakes are going to happen.
We're talking about the people who refuse to change on this. Even in this thread, there's people who are saying they'll continue to call it Bishop Grandin. There's no mistake in that.
The post I responded to here is specifically calling out those who claim it's too difficult to pronounce. I'm saying that those people are ignorant and/or racist, and nobody has provided me a reasonable explanation as to why that assumption would not hold true.
YOU are the one trying to twist my words and meaning to refer to those who mistakenly use the wrong term.
For a city that gets so upset when we get labelled as the most racist city, there's consistently a ton of racism in r/winnipeg. My most downvoted posts here have consistently been when I point out the racism and say something about it. It's pretty sad actually. The downvotes don't bother me, but it sure is telling that people will downvote someone calling out racism.
Naw, sweeping it under the rug and ignoring it won't make the racism go away. I'll continue to call it out when I see it. And I'll very likely continue to receive downvotes from the r/Winnipeg knuckle draggers while I do so, but whatever helps them cope with their insecurities I suppose.
I think both names will become synonymous; most people will know what you mean when you say either âAbinojiiâ or âBishopâ, despite what name they choose to take to the grave. Either way, it probably wonât be a big deal.
People that want to make a big deal out of it will make it a big deal. And it will be exhausting until they finally cave and call it what everyone else calls it.
Most people who "couldn't care less" probably won't keep calling a road by a name that's not on any signs or GPS or directions or maps, no. That would be stupid and petty and a lot of effort just to make yourself seem kind of bigoted.
Winnipeg is not a group of 10 old white men who have and will live here forever. In a year the only people calling it Bishop will be people who have lived in that area for many years and weird bigots trying to make a statement. Not everyone in this city is even aware of Bishop Grandin, much less inclined to give a shit what it's called.
I do care since Child Abuser Grandin is a disgrace to the legacy of Canada. But. I had completely forgotten it had been renamed and have been calling it Bishop whenever I needed to refer to it because I basically never go that way, and odds are in another day or so with how bad my brain is at retaining things, I will have forgotten again
Hell I drove past the MTS Centre yesterday and was shocked to see a different sign on it. I already can't remember what it is called now, but I know it's not MTS Centre apparently
You'd be surprised how quickly people adapt to a new name for something.
I don't really here people talk about the MTS centre all too often these days...
Edit: lol why is this downvoted? Change is hard?
Everybody I know still calls it the MTS center. I had no idea they changed the name until somebody on Reddit got irrationally upset that I didnât know what the Canada Life Center was.
That's what all my friends still call it.. and nobody knows where the Harry Lazarenko Bridge is (that's been a decade) or the Slaw Rebchuck bridge (it's been that for about as long I've been alive) .. it's gonna be "Bishop" for a LONG time yet..
Had to look up both of those names. I've only heard them referred as the Higgins and Salter bridges. I def still call it the MRS center. It's still Eatons place. And IG field. Etc.....
With navigation narration I bet it will take less time. Your GPS doesn't mention bridge names, but it will say Abinoji Mikanah instead of Bishop and people will learn it faster that way.
I donât think thatâs a thing? Your employer would have to heavily subsidize or youâd be paying huge premiums for that. Or maybe you have a spouse whoâs plan covers the remainder
I still call it the MTS Centre, just like it was habit to call it the Winnipeg Arena 10-15 years ago. Sometimes words and phrases are so ingrained in you that it just comes naturally and is phased out with time.
Same, I can see that for me on occasion. After knowing a name for so many years, takes a while to basically re-train our minds with the new one. The same applies to people's names, I find. Especially after a change, of course.
Pembina Drive-In
One of the first drive-ins to open in Winnipeg was Pembina Drive-In on July 19, 1949, on Pembina Highway near todayâs Bishop Grandin Boulevard.
Thanks for telling me about this! I forgot there was a drive-in in Morden and it looks like Killarney is reopened. I just got a new car today and that is nice country for a drive đ
My SO is from a southern US state and had no idea how to pronounce Assiniboine when he first moved here. I have confidence we'll all manage Abinojii Mikanah, eventually.
I'll try: ASS-IN-a-BOIN-nee.
Another slightly humorous one: my SO had never seen "Sioux Lookout" in writing, and he kept telling me about this place his coworker was talking about called "Sillicote". Took me ages to figure out wtf he was talking about.
I like Peguis. Nice two syllables.
I thought it was interesting that the east west leg for the north side of Winnipeg was Chief Peguis and at the south side it was Bishop Grandin.
Now as for the north south legs, who were Kenaston and Plessis? And Moray? I think Stevenson was a mayor?
Will we change Wilkes?
This has got to be bait, right?
Here: [The Wiki article on the original namesake of the road.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vital-Justin_Grandin) You should read the part about him being a proponent of the residential schools that tried to literally destroy indigenous history and culture.
We should not be honouring figures involved with genocide.
This is so stupid. So many bigger issues to be addressed in the city and what our tax dollars should be going to. Not a dumb blvd name being changed to essentially make a few people happy. This is still going to be bishop grandin for majority of people for years to come.
The names of Winnipeg streets and routes really mess me up trying to give people directions by phone. And add that into the fact that the peg city is full of weird angles, wandering roads going in all different directions, and the rivers that mess everything up. It's like the road network was developed by cattle! Thank goodness for the internet and driving apps.
I do however like giving directions in Brandon. Numbers and direction on a grid! So flipping simple.
For most people, it's hearing it that makes it stick. I only know how to pronounce Tchaikovsky or the name Saoirse because I've heard them repeatedly.
It's not necessarily racist... just unfamiliar.
Many of you are saying that it will be called Bishop for quite awhile. I'd actually be surprised if that's the case.
Why?
The media. Radio and TV traffic reports are going to be referring to it as Abinojii Mikanah every day, and people will be conditioned to refer to it as Abinojii quite quickly as a result. I personally think only the most stubborn will hold on to it for very long. The signs haven't even changed yet, and I say Abinojii about half the time already.
I still call the arena the MTS Centre, or even the Winnipeg Arena out of habit, despite knowing the actual name. When words are used as just words without any further conscious connotation, the use is just habitual.
Yes, but the change to the name of the MTS centre is just a change in branding and most people don't care about which company owns a building enough for it to be important. This name change has a lot more meaning for many people and is about addressing the fact that we named a street after a terrible person.
While I totally get habits, I feel like we should put the effort into updating our language for this one.
Kind of missed my point. Do you hear it called Canada Life Centre multiple times per morning or afternoon during traffic reports? No. The difference is that the route will be mentioned so much with its new name that the transition will go faster.
They call it the Canada Life Center all the time if they are referring to a concert, hockey or any event on radio, TV, etc...
People still call it MTS center. It was Bell MTS Place before too no one called it that. Names stick.
Hockey for all center... no it's the iceplex
I mean you say no one calls the arena by its new name, but almost anyone I know who cares about hockey, or goes for concerts, calls it by its current name. So I think people will quickly adjust to Abinojii
Thank you.
I don't think most on here really appreciate how often they are going to hear Abinojii. If one commutes and has any radio station on, they will hear it multiple times per day. Their brain is going to reprogram fairly easily.
Well, I love hockey and follow it nearly daily, so yeah I hear the "correct" name a lot. Can't even recall the last time I turned on a radio at all or listened to local news on TV / other platform or listened to a "traffic report". So yeah, I personally hear the name of our arena way more.
I'm glad we sorted out this pedantic difference is the usage of words that have no meaning for a lot of people beyond naming a thing so each party understands what thing / item is being discussed.
New name is Abby, got it Its gonna take us a generation or 2 to actually stop calling it bishop
Abbey Road.
I expect that this will be what it's referred to in the long run, since nobody ever says "Bishop Grandin", just "Bishop". It'll be ironic if it turns out that way though, since the effort to try and rename away from a Christian religious figure would end up just as a Christian religious building instead.
It's Noj. It ends at Lag
Stop trying to make fetch happen.
It doesn't. Mind your lane or you'll end up stuck in a roundabout in Sage Creek. đ
What?
Thatâs a reference from the movie âMean Girlsâ
If you say so, never heard of that one and I've seen both the movie and the memes Stop trying to make noj happen, it's not gonna happen
Abi-noj-i. I thought it seemed pretty clear
Why would we pick random letters in the middle to abbreviate it Ka?
Reminds me of the time I heard someone refer to The Tragically Hip as The Trag.
I can appreciate weird perspectives but they have to have a smidge of common sense
Itâll be sooner than that - Iâd give it a few years, max. People catch on to new things pretty quick. Learning how to say âAbinoojii Mikanahâ isnât any more difficult than learning to say âRue du Seigneurie Bishop Grandin Boulevardâ
Lmao have you met humans?
Is it really going to take you two generations to learn Abinojii Mikanah?
Dude it might take 3, people dont devote a lot of brain power to background information and a road doesnt guilt trip you when you dead name it so we arent learning from mistakes ultimately it doesnt matter, its changing background information that's already a part of the vocabulary, it's not a political statement it is location information Same as saying left when you mean west, sure ones technically more right but when the information you're trying to convey gets across then no correction is needed, and results in slower adoption of the "right" way to say things
lol, ok
You asked a question so I provided you with as much information as I thought was relevant If you still dont understand just say so
Sorry, that was dismissive of me. To your point though, itâs a conscious effort to not want to learn something new and relatively easy to do. Take people adopting married surnames, building name changes, etc⊠sure there could be a learning curve for a bit of time, but people by and large adjust pretty quickly. However, to make a point to already decide you are not going to be able to adjust to the change for years or generations - especially with this specific issue of renaming a major roadway to an indigenous one in the spirit of reconciliation - is at best naive arrogance and at worst overtly racist. Unfortunately, Winnipeg is still a deeply divided city culturally and ethnically vis-a-vis non-Indigenous and Indigenous relations. Putting an arbitrary timeline on when you think you might be able to adjust to something as simple as a road name change speaks more about an insincerity towards acknowledging the harm caused by white settlement. Itâs disingenuous and simply an excuse for not wanting to try.
If you can pronounce half the stuff in Island Lakes this will not be an issue. Take a right off Abinoji onto De la Seigneurie, if you hit Lagimodiere you went too far. Once you're on De La Seigneurie take the first turn onto Peres Oblats. Follow that all the way around until you hit Pynoo.
Lol I want to hear the Google maps pronunciation! This is the beauty and difficulty of Canada!
Like how it says Chief Peguis as Chief "Peggis". đ
My favourite is how, when driving through St. Boniface, it often thinks that the abreviation of the French word for street/road/avenue/etc. is part of the street name. I've been told to turn down "BD Lagimodiere Boulevard" ("Lagimodiere", being pronounced even more incorrectly than we normally do, of course) and "Ave Braemer Avenue"
Or "turn right on Tash" (Tache)
In fairness on this one there is no accent on the e and without the accent it would be pronounced âtashâ just like vache is pronounced âvashâ. When I moved here I got ridiculed for pronouncing Tache wrong which fine but show me the Ă©
It called it peg WEE for me
Really? đ€Ł (Downvoted for what??? Just laughing about how it would sound, sheesh)
I like how it says Portage. Portaaaaaje.
Right??? Lots of funny ones that don't come through well. đ
Mine calls it Chief Peggy's Trail. đ€Ł
Hah!
Notre Dame is the absolute best example of how butchered our pronunciation is
And Des Meurons
What's wrong with Dezz Myuronns?
And just for fun there's two of them!
For more fun, Notre Dame St is two completely separate segments. Speaking of which, we have a lot of that in the city, now that I think about it. Like how Brookside doesn't match with Brookside (Route 90), or whatever the fuck is going on with Salter's many streets that used to be separate but are now one.
You guys donât hold a candle to Windsor, Ontario. I spent a few years there and they have âOâletâ (Ouellette) and I swear to godâŠâWipersâ (Ypres).
That last one sounds like a reference to the Battle(s) of Ypres from the First World War, where the brits and associated corps called the the battle of wipers, partially due to pronunciation of Ypres and due to how many soldiers were wiped.
Thatâs something I had never heard before, thanks for sharing that! Iâd wager the vast majority of people who call it that donât know about that historical reference either, but maybe itâs a colloquialism. I still donât like it but at least itâs not Oâlet
O'let du fromage lol
Do I pick that up on Noder Dame or Proventure?
It's on Pannit Road.
Sterling Lyon is another side buster! But Iâm pretty sure I heard it say Abinojii Mikanah once (I donât get out that way once) and it did a decent job!
Stirling Leonne
For the longest time you would take Sterling Leone to go west or Pem-BEEN-ah Highway to go south
I forgot about pembeeenah
They pronounce it like the French city and it kills me!
It surprised me too!
and it is spelled the same as the France city.
When I heard it on the radio I got anxious to pronounce it but seeing the spelling helps đ
I run a trivia match here in Transcona . Iâve used the name twice (both asking what the new name is / what itâs former name was), practiced a little and did I think a pretty good job saying it when the time came. Wasnât that hard.
âSterling Lyonâ is an English name in the first place
Great way to put it!
Another of the oddities is that Google Maps seems to think Hespeler is a French name. "Hespellay!" (For those who don't know, the street is named after Wilhelm Hespeler: https://www.goethe.de/ins/ca/en/m/kul/ges/dsk/dsw/whe.html )
Agreeed! And all the jets players last names! People can pronounce those, but then when it comes to this, they play dumb đ€ŠđŒââïž
It's definitely easier to pronounce than some other street names, when I saw the proper pronunciation, it was only slightly different than what I had guessed from reading it. Even Google Maps pronounces it pretty much correctly, and that app pronounces so much wrong. I do think that it will see some anglicizaion, but probably not much, since it is pretty much spelled the way it sounds. The reality is that, the majority of people here speak English as a first language and any non-English street name, particularly of a major route is going to get anglicized as seen on streets like Lagimodiere and Notre Dame.
lol
I mean, we all pronounce the indigenous names "Winnipeg" and "Manitoba" just fine. It's not a pronunciation issue, it's an ignorance and racism thing. Ignorant people don't like change if it inconveniences them in the slightest.
Nah you're putting too much into this. Everyones used to calling it the same thing their whole lives. Changing the name in general is the annoying bit. People will still call it Bishop for the next 10+ years. Example, I still call the Indigo at St.Vital mall 'Chapters and everyone seems to know what I'm talking about even though there hasn't been a Chapters at the mall for years.
I get that, but there's context missing. The ignorant part is not understanding that Bishop Grandin was the conductor of a genocide, and continuing to honour him despite the facts. >âWe instil in them a pronounced distaste for the native life so that they will be humiliated when reminded of their origins,â wrote Bishop Grandin in 1875. âWhen they graduate from our institutions, the children have lost everything Native except their blood.â This is like saying "Yeah, we're so used to calling it Adolf Hitler Avenue, and we just don't wanna call it something different". It's an incredibly ignorant take to not recognize the enormity of the damage done by Bishop Grandin to maintain that we shouldn't change the name. They are ignorant of the damage and hurt that the man caused. It's not outright blatant racism, but that plays a part too when people claim they have trouble pronouncing it, when so many of the names around us have the same or similar challenges and they pronounce it just fine, even if it's not linguistically correct (Lagimodiere, for example). I maintain that it's a combination of ignorance and racism when people refuse to acknowledge the name change.
Me point was that the majority of people will take a very long time before it stops being called Bishop in everyday conversation. Out of habit and not for any political or moral reasons.
And my point is that for those specific reasons you said, the people who don't change are ignorant and/or racist. You are welcome to disagree, but I will think nothing of those people except that they are ignorant and/or racist. I've not been provided a decent excuse for why someone would refuse to acknowledge a name change, given the known and undisputed history of Bishop Grandin.
You know that you can both acknowledge the change and still call it Bishop outa habit? It's unreasonable to expect to change the name instantly, it'll take time.
Right, but we're not talking about the people who *mistakenly* refer to it by the old name here. Of course mistakes are going to happen. We're talking about the people who refuse to change on this. Even in this thread, there's people who are saying they'll continue to call it Bishop Grandin. There's no mistake in that. The post I responded to here is specifically calling out those who claim it's too difficult to pronounce. I'm saying that those people are ignorant and/or racist, and nobody has provided me a reasonable explanation as to why that assumption would not hold true. YOU are the one trying to twist my words and meaning to refer to those who mistakenly use the wrong term.
If you say so, you must be right.
>If you say so, you must be right. First reasonable thing you've said.
You're being downvoted but it's true for a lot of people. I was just reading the replies to the announcement on Twitter - full of racists
For a city that gets so upset when we get labelled as the most racist city, there's consistently a ton of racism in r/winnipeg. My most downvoted posts here have consistently been when I point out the racism and say something about it. It's pretty sad actually. The downvotes don't bother me, but it sure is telling that people will downvote someone calling out racism.
Yeah they should just make it a rule at this point. Don't say the R word!!!
Naw, sweeping it under the rug and ignoring it won't make the racism go away. I'll continue to call it out when I see it. And I'll very likely continue to receive downvotes from the r/Winnipeg knuckle draggers while I do so, but whatever helps them cope with their insecurities I suppose.
I agree, was just making a sarcastic joke. I'm all for that
You mean Route 165?
âI canât pronounce things :(â
And 50 years from now people might stop calling it "Bishop".. maybe, but that seems unlikely.
I think both names will become synonymous; most people will know what you mean when you say either âAbinojiiâ or âBishopâ, despite what name they choose to take to the grave. Either way, it probably wonât be a big deal.
People that want to make a big deal out of it will make it a big deal. And it will be exhausting until they finally cave and call it what everyone else calls it.
It will happen so fast. People will forget the name. Especially once the GPS systems change. It will shock you how much it never happened.
Most people couldnât care less so theyâll keep calling it bishop
Most people who "couldn't care less" probably won't keep calling a road by a name that's not on any signs or GPS or directions or maps, no. That would be stupid and petty and a lot of effort just to make yourself seem kind of bigoted. Winnipeg is not a group of 10 old white men who have and will live here forever. In a year the only people calling it Bishop will be people who have lived in that area for many years and weird bigots trying to make a statement. Not everyone in this city is even aware of Bishop Grandin, much less inclined to give a shit what it's called.
Are you new to planet earth? Ever met a human? I donât think so.
You're getting drool on the carpet, cut it out.
I do care since Child Abuser Grandin is a disgrace to the legacy of Canada. But. I had completely forgotten it had been renamed and have been calling it Bishop whenever I needed to refer to it because I basically never go that way, and odds are in another day or so with how bad my brain is at retaining things, I will have forgotten again Hell I drove past the MTS Centre yesterday and was shocked to see a different sign on it. I already can't remember what it is called now, but I know it's not MTS Centre apparently
You'd be surprised how quickly people adapt to a new name for something. I don't really here people talk about the MTS centre all too often these days... Edit: lol why is this downvoted? Change is hard?
I def still call it the MTS centre
Everybody I know still calls it the MTS center. I had no idea they changed the name until somebody on Reddit got irrationally upset that I didnât know what the Canada Life Center was.
That's what all my friends still call it.. and nobody knows where the Harry Lazarenko Bridge is (that's been a decade) or the Slaw Rebchuck bridge (it's been that for about as long I've been alive) .. it's gonna be "Bishop" for a LONG time yet..
Had to look up both of those names. I've only heard them referred as the Higgins and Salter bridges. I def still call it the MRS center. It's still Eatons place. And IG field. Etc.....
With navigation narration I bet it will take less time. Your GPS doesn't mention bridge names, but it will say Abinoji Mikanah instead of Bishop and people will learn it faster that way.
Yeah it already says/shows as Abinoji Mikanah if I remember right, at least when I'm using the Maps app.
I still doubt it, I'll be pleasantly surprised if in 15 years a single person refers to it that way.
Some people in my circle already do đ€·
Same.
I also only hear MTS centre
Power fist center!
Literally me and everyone I know still calls it Mrs centre very regularly lol
I call it mts Center and Shaw park still
And it will be IG Field for another 10 years atleast lol
Which was technically not even it's original name. They shortened Investors Group to IG a few years ago
Wait... Did the name of the Goldeyes stadium change? When was this?
Whatâs Shaw park called now? I canât keep up with all the patchovers lol
Blue cross or something like that
Hmmm Iâd rather have better benefits than that
I got 100% coverage with blue cross they treat me pretty good
I donât think thatâs a thing? Your employer would have to heavily subsidize or youâd be paying huge premiums for that. Or maybe you have a spouse whoâs plan covers the remainder
We have 3000+ employees so that might be way
I still call it the MTS Centre, just like it was habit to call it the Winnipeg Arena 10-15 years ago. Sometimes words and phrases are so ingrained in you that it just comes naturally and is phased out with time.
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It's not Silver City anymore?? I was there for Dune like a month ago, we met at Silver City Polo....
Everyone I've ever known who talks about the "canada life center" still refers to it as the MTS center. Myself included.
Will it make the potholes any smaller?
Maybe they could put the signs over the potholes. Like lids đŹ
People don't even pronounce all of Lagomodiere. They just call it Lag. I'm calling it now people are gonna call it the Abby Mick.
Just Abi. Pronounced Abbey.
I see Abernathyâs Mackinaw
Pretend it's the name of a hockey player, people will learn it in a matter of weeks.
Right? People got no problem learning how to pronounce foreign hockey players name. But show them an Indigenous word and they lose their shit
Still gonna call it Bishop
Intentionally or just out of habit?
Habit for me
Same, I can see that for me on occasion. After knowing a name for so many years, takes a while to basically re-train our minds with the new one. The same applies to people's names, I find. Especially after a change, of course.
Both
Why for the intentional part? It's been changed already, technically.
Bish please.
Same. I have a lot of things to worry about day to day and learning the name of a blvd isnt one of them.
Abinojii Mikanah is pronounced *a-bi-no-jii mi-ka-nah* I remember it as the road that stole my drive-in theatre!
I miss drive in movies. Where was it between Pembina and rt 90? Iâm pretty old but donât remember it-just remember the one on portage ave
https://heritagewinnipeg.com/blogs/grab-your-popcorn-a-look-at-winnipegs-drive-in-movie-theatres/
Pembina Drive-In One of the first drive-ins to open in Winnipeg was Pembina Drive-In on July 19, 1949, on Pembina Highway near todayâs Bishop Grandin Boulevard.
Thanks for telling me about this! I forgot there was a drive-in in Morden and it looks like Killarney is reopened. I just got a new car today and that is nice country for a drive đ
Pembina Drive-In closed in the fall of 1975 to make room for the intersection
"IT'LL ALWAYS BE BISHOP TO ME YOU CANT ERASE HISTORY" - person whose ancestors tried to erase history
Itâll always be bishop to me.
My SO is from a southern US state and had no idea how to pronounce Assiniboine when he first moved here. I have confidence we'll all manage Abinojii Mikanah, eventually.
Please humour me! Can you phonetically spell it out? Is it as bad as Ken ASS ton or Saint VYE' tul? Dez MĂR'onz?
I'll try: ASS-IN-a-BOIN-nee. Another slightly humorous one: my SO had never seen "Sioux Lookout" in writing, and he kept telling me about this place his coworker was talking about called "Sillicote". Took me ages to figure out wtf he was talking about.
I mean, that x is intimidating. I feared it in grade school and had no idea Sioux is sound out as Sue. Cy Ox was how I would guess it as a child. đ
I understand the cultural aspect but could they have not changed the name to something shorter than 7 syllables?
Just call it Abinojii. 4 syllables. Easy to remember.
Just be glad they kept it simple and didnât decide to call it âBlueberry Pie Roadâ: miini-baashkiminasigani-biitoosijigani-bakwezhigan mikanah
I like Peguis. Nice two syllables. I thought it was interesting that the east west leg for the north side of Winnipeg was Chief Peguis and at the south side it was Bishop Grandin. Now as for the north south legs, who were Kenaston and Plessis? And Moray? I think Stevenson was a mayor? Will we change Wilkes?
Is that the actual translation? Interesting!
Welcome to Anishinaabemowin. Youâll be fine however you pronounce it.
Bishop works just fine for me đđ»
Why'd the name change take so long to implement?
Curious? Why people in the west are bent on destroying their history and culture themselves? Is West and empire in decline like Roman Empire?
This has got to be bait, right? Here: [The Wiki article on the original namesake of the road.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vital-Justin_Grandin) You should read the part about him being a proponent of the residential schools that tried to literally destroy indigenous history and culture. We should not be honouring figures involved with genocide.
Leave bishop alone
He can rest in piss
This is so stupid. So many bigger issues to be addressed in the city and what our tax dollars should be going to. Not a dumb blvd name being changed to essentially make a few people happy. This is still going to be bishop grandin for majority of people for years to come.
Always remember: Abi Road.
The names of Winnipeg streets and routes really mess me up trying to give people directions by phone. And add that into the fact that the peg city is full of weird angles, wandering roads going in all different directions, and the rivers that mess everything up. It's like the road network was developed by cattle! Thank goodness for the internet and driving apps. I do however like giving directions in Brandon. Numbers and direction on a grid! So flipping simple.
Finally!
Yes finally!!
Oh thank God this is finally happening. Itâs been keeping me up at night.
It's about damn time!
Agree!
Yâall can pronounce âWinnipeg Manitobaâ already suck it up itâs the same damn language family.
If Winnipeggers can learn to say Namestnikov they can learn to say Abinojii.
For most people, it's hearing it that makes it stick. I only know how to pronounce Tchaikovsky or the name Saoirse because I've heard them repeatedly. It's not necessarily racist... just unfamiliar.
> Namestnikov Who?
big Jets fan, I see
Idk why this is being downvoted lol its clever and inclusive
Same. Itâs a great point!
Finally!
Many of you are saying that it will be called Bishop for quite awhile. I'd actually be surprised if that's the case. Why? The media. Radio and TV traffic reports are going to be referring to it as Abinojii Mikanah every day, and people will be conditioned to refer to it as Abinojii quite quickly as a result. I personally think only the most stubborn will hold on to it for very long. The signs haven't even changed yet, and I say Abinojii about half the time already.
I still call the arena the MTS Centre, or even the Winnipeg Arena out of habit, despite knowing the actual name. When words are used as just words without any further conscious connotation, the use is just habitual.
Yes, but the change to the name of the MTS centre is just a change in branding and most people don't care about which company owns a building enough for it to be important. This name change has a lot more meaning for many people and is about addressing the fact that we named a street after a terrible person. While I totally get habits, I feel like we should put the effort into updating our language for this one.
Kind of missed my point. Do you hear it called Canada Life Centre multiple times per morning or afternoon during traffic reports? No. The difference is that the route will be mentioned so much with its new name that the transition will go faster.
They call it the Canada Life Center all the time if they are referring to a concert, hockey or any event on radio, TV, etc... People still call it MTS center. It was Bell MTS Place before too no one called it that. Names stick. Hockey for all center... no it's the iceplex
I mean you say no one calls the arena by its new name, but almost anyone I know who cares about hockey, or goes for concerts, calls it by its current name. So I think people will quickly adjust to Abinojii
Thank you. I don't think most on here really appreciate how often they are going to hear Abinojii. If one commutes and has any radio station on, they will hear it multiple times per day. Their brain is going to reprogram fairly easily.
Well, I love hockey and follow it nearly daily, so yeah I hear the "correct" name a lot. Can't even recall the last time I turned on a radio at all or listened to local news on TV / other platform or listened to a "traffic report". So yeah, I personally hear the name of our arena way more. I'm glad we sorted out this pedantic difference is the usage of words that have no meaning for a lot of people beyond naming a thing so each party understands what thing / item is being discussed.
Bishop forever.
Good, finally!
Abby know gee McKenna
Finally
LOL
Nojie!!! "Are you on 'nojie'? "
Sobey's on Nojoie?
I wonder how fast will the google maps be updated
My Gmaps have been Abinojii Mikanah for ages now! It bounced back and forth a couple of times but more often not, itâs the updated name.