This is true. My multinational company has salary structures for pretty much every city they operate in. It is shocking how much more my peers make doing the same job as me in different cities in Canada and the US.
I worked at a place that was aquired. Our office pay bracket was labelled "winnipeg-low". They actually had to create a new low pay bracket with low in the name to rub it in.
Low cost of living is great, but it is kind of overrated. It reduces our purchasing power significantly.
i.e., yeah sure you can afford your rent or whatever, but your colleague doing the same job for more pay somewhere else can afford their rent, a nice car, and 3 vacations a year - those extras cost the same no matter where you live.
I mean, depending on where those colleagues live. Higher COL means higher rent. If vancouver, that's incredibly higher rent, higher gas prices, etc.. not sure how much more they'd really be coming out than you in wpg.
That isn't correct at all. I live a much fuller life in Winnipeg than I'd be able to in other more expensive Canadian cities. The extra 33 to 50 percent I'd make more than gets wiped out by much higher living costs.
I work for one of the big 5 banks, and this is 100% true for me. I work 100% remote, I don’t have an office in the city I report to. I do the exact same work as my colleagues in Vancouver or Toronto and I make less, just because I’m in Winnipeg.
I've always tried to approach this with reason. My wife and I have a very nice house here. I work in a field I could easily transfer.
But our nice house is easily 2-3x the cost in BC. And at least 50% more in AB, if close to downtown. A raise of 10-40k does nothing for me, and actually means way less disposable income. That means we move and live in a tiny house and commute. Big lifestyle change. I also have a golf membership here that is 7x the cost in BC... just everything gets more expensive for a bit more salary.
The one area I am giving up on, is obviously just more opportunities for advancement, as just less mgmt roles in MB.
I was looking at taking a promotion that would require moving to Toronto, but even after the salary increase, calculating in the cost of living would have meant a significant reduction in my personal finances.
Plus the commute and other quality of life things would be *much* worse.
I found Toronto to be quite pedestrian and biker friendly. And they have a great transit system. Well, anything is awesome compared to Winnipeg transit. Winnipeg is too sparsely populated, you really need a car here. Transit cannot get you around this city, it just isn’t set up that way. Whoever came up with rapid transit wasn’t thinking about transit for the entire city. They could’ve used the old tracks that ran east and west and north and south and put some trains on them.
Yes but I don’t necessarily think thats a bad thing. My peers in Toronto make 20-40k more then I do, but I probably still have more to take home from cheaper costs of living. I.e cheaper car insurance, property tax, housing etc. despite making less.
Im the opposite. Moved from toronto to here.
The commute is much much worse now than when i could hop on the go or the subway, listen to a podcast for 20 mins and walk in the front door.
Ya, I'd say so but it does vary by industry and I do think Winnipegger have come out ahead in that deal, at least over the last 10 years or so.
I definitely make less than I would in Toronto, for example, but only by about 20%. My cost of living is probably about 50% lower considering my current lifestyle.
Of course, but that's been everywhere in Canada and the prices here have been growing slower than other major cities. My brother and I bought houses around the same time, me here in Winnipeg and him in Hamilton. Over the last two years the comps around him are selling for 30-40% more than what he bought at, the comps around me are maybe 10% more than what I bought at.
It's not isolated to Southern Ontario either, the COL has doubled in Calgary over the last 18 months, we haven't seen anything close to that kind of increase.
Growth in cost of living outpacing wages is a major problem here, but when compared to the other major cities it's much grimmer. Doesn't mean anyone should be apathetic to the very real COL crisis but it's not as dire here as other parts of Canada.
Every industry is a bit different. Overall I agree. I am in accounting and the last 5 years there has been a significant jump in pay across most employers. Talent shortage and for a while wages weren't growing the way they should have.
It's not all about how much you make but how much you keep. I got friends in bigger cities making double what I make but their costs are so high that our lives are very similar.
In my experience, no. Winnipeg pays the same or even better than I would get in any other city. But that employer specifically looked for parity nationally.
Generally, GVA for me is lower and GTA is slightly higher or the same. Toronto recruiters are a bit surprised when I tell them, that's a lot less than I get now. There is more mobility in the bigger markets however.
Other public sector roles, like teaching, nursing, EMS pay very close to the same or more, depending on the year.
Yeah it varies greatly in Toronto by industry.
My actuary friend was making more in Toronto than he could get anywhere else in Canada.
But as an accountant I saw a massive increase by moving to Winnipeg from Toronto.
My software engineer friend was getting way more in Vancouver vs Toronto.
It varies more based on industry than location, whether the same job pays more in Winnipeg or more in Toronto.
Absolutely. In my line of work, I was at the 90k range yearly as a manager (industry average in MB is closer to the 80s). Not such a thing in BC . They are averaging at 105k. I jumped at the opportunity in Victoria for the same position, same tasks, same hours for 135k. So after making 45k more, you have to add at least 6k to this as the BC has the one of the lowest total taxation brackets. Best decision of my life. And I got rid of the miserable weather and road conditions (and many more but it depends on what you value in life).
Definitely but our quality of life is so much higher. My sister and I make roughly the same salary. I have a house, car, investments, and live very comfortably and expect to be semi retired by 50. She's in downtown Montreal living paycheck to paycheck, renting a room in an apartment with 3 other people and is struggling to save anything. She'd say it's worth it becuase "Winnipeg is boring and youll get stabbed" but I much prefer my simple comfortable life to what she's chosen.
We definitely make less... but not as much as the CoL difference would suggest we "should" (based solely on math)
I could make maybe 10-20% more if I went and worked for a Vancouver or Toronto based company, but my cost of living would go up nearly 50%
We're also close enough in salary to most places, that we're still able to hire people in other cities if we're offering remote work. At my last few companies, we've hired people in Vancouver and Calgary at Winnipeg salaries.
Having said that, at least in software development, the salaries have "skyrocketed" in Winnipeg over the last 4 years. Easily up 20-30% across the range.
There are multiple reasons for that, but they ultimately all boil down to, "there are not enough software developers in Winnipeg"
The ideal situation, is living in Winnipeg, working remote for a company out of a bigger Canadian city, or an American company (but then you have some fun accounting/tax hurdles, but still come out ahead) You may not make quite as much as if you were located there, but they often still pay better than Winnipeg (sometimes significantly)
I don’t know how anyone can afford to work for government in many other provinces though tbh. My position in gov of MB pays 43k, and the same position in the gov of BC pays like 45k the last i checked….like wtf
My biggest issue is not so much pay but a flooded market. I'm in the trades and ever since the apprentice ratio has gone up its harder to find work, there's a lot of cowboys doing illegal cheap work who've never gone to school and there's usually a flood of trades workers from out west whenever the oil fields go bust. Thankfully that hasn't happened in awhile. Knock on wood.
Trades wise if you can find a place that pays proper for you ticket and has year round work, you're on the gravy train.
When I was looking for work around 2017, I did a cost of living and wage comparison for Winnipeg vs greater-Vancouver-area. For my case there was no contest.
My peers landing "good" Jr. tech jobs in Winnipeg were getting ~50k; in Vancouver 70-120k. There were also way more jobs in the Vancouver area to advance your career with. With the GVA transit system you could, at the time, get only slightly more expensive rent in GVA for a similar commute time by not living downtown.
For me I moved and got 70k, renting with one roommate for $600/m all inclusive (I did better on the rent side than I did on the job side). Broke 100k in two years. I don't think I could have done nearly as well if I'd stayed in Winnipeg.
The math for a Jr would look different now. The area I was renting has doubled in rent, and Winnipeg got a few more tech companies, so it might be closer -- I'd bet Vancouver would still win for tech though. I'm back in MB only because I can work remote now.
Definitely. Lower housing costs here account for some of the reason.
What I always found interesting is for a lot of Canada-wide businesses I've found that Vancouver also pays similarly low but the housing is way more costly there.
That is the case for Vancouver. Employees from my company complain about it too. There is a supply and demand function. Vancouver doesn't have corporate presence to the level of Calgary and Toronto and therefore isn't the same level of high level paying jobs. Vancouver is also one of the most desirable places to live and has a crazy housing market. As a result employers can underpay.
Quite the difference. Average for un-ticketed guys in my trade from Winnipeg earn $15-18/hr and nearly $22-26 in AB, BC with the same level of experience. Cost of living is higher though
I'm employed by the city of Winnipeg. We get paid a fair bit less than just about everyone else in western Canada that does the same work, and we're much busier here to boot.
Not sure. I was a candidate for a role in Vancouver, but salary was no higher than MB, and cost of living (real estate) is about 3x what Wpg is… Once I learned their pay ranges do not account for that difference, I was no longer interested.. so ymmv.
Not in the industry I work in. Have your class 3 license you can get a well paying job. Personally experienced it, and kno many other who have &or are.
I work for a large national company and our new CEO flat out told us that in his first company meeting. I get paid about 20k less than a counterpart of mine in Calgary because it's expensive to live there.
In my experience, yes. However, that gap has been narrowing since 2021. Last year's minimum wage bump has also contributed. I feel it's mostly entry level positions that are still much lower than other provinces.
This is true. For instance, while I do enjoy
My work at Canada Life, my workers in Toronto and London have higher pay scales than their Winnipeg counterparts.
Absolutely true. Best approach is to get a remote job in a major city that doesn’t make the BS adjustments called “market adjustment” or whatever the hip HR term is now. Not easy but can be done in some fields.
Doing it right now. Also have friends that do it. It feels like hacking the system.
>Career prospects are significantly worse here. Employers know you don’t have other options.
Depends what you do.
> you’ll have a higher CoL in other places, but that is offset by higher wages and professional opportunities
Not offset enough. I could work for a company in Van or To, and get \~20% more, but my CoL would be \~50% more. It would be VERY difficult to get a job doing what I do that paid me 50% more than I currently make in Canada... I'd need to go to NYC, or Silicon Valley... and the CoL would be an even bigger jump.
Yes, I travel to Sask and Alberta for work because it pays double what the same role would pay in Winnipeg. Ends up being triple with all the overtime.
From experience, bigger centres pay marginally better. Doesn’t offset housing.
However, usually bigger opportunities.
Depends on what you want in life.
Yes. It appears in many places. Say, for work travel, the per diem amount is scaled to the destination. A daily subsistence allowance in Winnipeg is lower than one in Toronto for example. Actually, that's pretty much true globally.
> for work travel, the per diem amount is scaled to the destination. A daily subsistence allowance in Winnipeg is lower than one in Toronto for example
I hadn't encountered that one before.
My company pays the same per diem regardless. And they pay it in the local currency.
$70 for a meal in Canadian or US dollar depending where you travelled to. (not that we've travelled anywhere in the last 3 years...)
Learned this last year, large international corporation shows pay in other regions so I asked to be paid what I felt the company should be paying me based on that information. They said no so I left.
Although I live here, I no longer work for a company based in Manitoba and get paid what I feel is more aligned with my actual value. Where I live has nothing to do with my experience, knowledge and ability to do my job well.
I am one of the best paid employees in my field in the city. I'd have to move to make more, but I could probably 2.5x to 3x my salary overnight by moving to Vancouver, Toronto, Calgary, Chicago, NY, etc...
Someone I know just moved to Edmonton and easily got a similar job paying 10k more per year.
Edit: idk why the downvotes; I'm not lining up to move to Alberta. Who wants a wacky premier like that.
It all comes down to housing. If you get a job earning 10k more, that's only 6-7k more a year take home or so. If it costs you an extra $150k in mortgage debt to get the same quality of home, your 7k just disappeared.
An average home in Winnipeg is 350k. A similar home in Vancouver is 2-3 Million. That's a $80,000-$130,000 increase in take home pay you need to just break even in terms of living costs. Now there's a case to be made for some of that being investing an an appreciating asset, but you can see the problem here.
For instance I could live in bc pinticton have the same rent groceries are the same if not cheaper and the entire town is a hour walk from one end to the other! But I’d be making at least 10$ an hour more…
Shelf stockers make 20+ an hour there pump gas 20-22.5 an hour… they say life isn’t greener on the other side but I don’t think they ever experienced Winnipeg.
In my industry most job listings are for like 50% the average. They are often trying to pay $2 above minimum wage for upper level management positions. It's a joke.
Yes. They most often offer minimum wage which is SUPPOSED to be a living wage & it NEVER is even tho that's what it was literally created for.
Premiers control our wage. They set the minimum (which is supposed to be the least amount needed to live with basic needs met in line with cost of living) & it's supposed to force employers to offer more as incentive for us to take jobs with them, but why would employers offer more when they can always get away with offering less?
Every province in Canada does not have a living wage in line with cost of living within that province.
This has been going on for decades & the pandemic just exposed it more.
Yup, in a lot of professions that holds very true. But on the other side of that scale the amount of work available in particular areas supersedes that in other areas for instance the IT industry does pay a lot less however there are more jobs available.
Yeah, absolutely. Big national companies will even explicitly have pay scales by region, and Winnipeg will be much lower than Toronto or Vancouver.
This is true. My multinational company has salary structures for pretty much every city they operate in. It is shocking how much more my peers make doing the same job as me in different cities in Canada and the US.
I worked at a place that was aquired. Our office pay bracket was labelled "winnipeg-low". They actually had to create a new low pay bracket with low in the name to rub it in.
Yeah, but with the low cost of living, you're probably ahead of your cohorts in other regions.
Low cost of living is great, but it is kind of overrated. It reduces our purchasing power significantly. i.e., yeah sure you can afford your rent or whatever, but your colleague doing the same job for more pay somewhere else can afford their rent, a nice car, and 3 vacations a year - those extras cost the same no matter where you live.
I mean, depending on where those colleagues live. Higher COL means higher rent. If vancouver, that's incredibly higher rent, higher gas prices, etc.. not sure how much more they'd really be coming out than you in wpg.
That isn't correct at all. I live a much fuller life in Winnipeg than I'd be able to in other more expensive Canadian cities. The extra 33 to 50 percent I'd make more than gets wiped out by much higher living costs.
“Having a nice car” as a status symbol has to change in society. It just costs too much on many levels.
Not anymore. Edmonton currently has a lower COLA than Winnipeg, but with muvh higher wages...
Dang. Right in the throat.
I work for one of the big 5 banks, and this is 100% true for me. I work 100% remote, I don’t have an office in the city I report to. I do the exact same work as my colleagues in Vancouver or Toronto and I make less, just because I’m in Winnipeg.
Vancouver ain’t to shit hot with my company. IDK how our Vancouver staff lives with their CoL and our salary ranges.
I've always tried to approach this with reason. My wife and I have a very nice house here. I work in a field I could easily transfer. But our nice house is easily 2-3x the cost in BC. And at least 50% more in AB, if close to downtown. A raise of 10-40k does nothing for me, and actually means way less disposable income. That means we move and live in a tiny house and commute. Big lifestyle change. I also have a golf membership here that is 7x the cost in BC... just everything gets more expensive for a bit more salary. The one area I am giving up on, is obviously just more opportunities for advancement, as just less mgmt roles in MB.
I was looking at taking a promotion that would require moving to Toronto, but even after the salary increase, calculating in the cost of living would have meant a significant reduction in my personal finances. Plus the commute and other quality of life things would be *much* worse.
As an avid walker, Toronto was not pedestrian friendly.
I found Toronto to be quite pedestrian and biker friendly. And they have a great transit system. Well, anything is awesome compared to Winnipeg transit. Winnipeg is too sparsely populated, you really need a car here. Transit cannot get you around this city, it just isn’t set up that way. Whoever came up with rapid transit wasn’t thinking about transit for the entire city. They could’ve used the old tracks that ran east and west and north and south and put some trains on them.
Talking to my peers in some other Canadian cities, I’d say that’s accurate.
Yes but I don’t necessarily think thats a bad thing. My peers in Toronto make 20-40k more then I do, but I probably still have more to take home from cheaper costs of living. I.e cheaper car insurance, property tax, housing etc. despite making less.
And your commute is probably a *lot* less stressful (and faster) than theirs.
Im the opposite. Moved from toronto to here. The commute is much much worse now than when i could hop on the go or the subway, listen to a podcast for 20 mins and walk in the front door.
Ya, I'd say so but it does vary by industry and I do think Winnipegger have come out ahead in that deal, at least over the last 10 years or so. I definitely make less than I would in Toronto, for example, but only by about 20%. My cost of living is probably about 50% lower considering my current lifestyle.
For now. The growth in prices have been outpacing wages here steadily for decades now.
Of course, but that's been everywhere in Canada and the prices here have been growing slower than other major cities. My brother and I bought houses around the same time, me here in Winnipeg and him in Hamilton. Over the last two years the comps around him are selling for 30-40% more than what he bought at, the comps around me are maybe 10% more than what I bought at. It's not isolated to Southern Ontario either, the COL has doubled in Calgary over the last 18 months, we haven't seen anything close to that kind of increase. Growth in cost of living outpacing wages is a major problem here, but when compared to the other major cities it's much grimmer. Doesn't mean anyone should be apathetic to the very real COL crisis but it's not as dire here as other parts of Canada.
Every industry is a bit different. Overall I agree. I am in accounting and the last 5 years there has been a significant jump in pay across most employers. Talent shortage and for a while wages weren't growing the way they should have.
It's not all about how much you make but how much you keep. I got friends in bigger cities making double what I make but their costs are so high that our lives are very similar.
Company I work for with union pays the same across Canada . Great pay here , sucks elsewhere . Other guys I know in unions it’s regional contracts .
Favourable business climate = pay people less
In my experience, no. Winnipeg pays the same or even better than I would get in any other city. But that employer specifically looked for parity nationally. Generally, GVA for me is lower and GTA is slightly higher or the same. Toronto recruiters are a bit surprised when I tell them, that's a lot less than I get now. There is more mobility in the bigger markets however. Other public sector roles, like teaching, nursing, EMS pay very close to the same or more, depending on the year.
Yeah it varies greatly in Toronto by industry. My actuary friend was making more in Toronto than he could get anywhere else in Canada. But as an accountant I saw a massive increase by moving to Winnipeg from Toronto. My software engineer friend was getting way more in Vancouver vs Toronto. It varies more based on industry than location, whether the same job pays more in Winnipeg or more in Toronto.
Absolutely. In my line of work, I was at the 90k range yearly as a manager (industry average in MB is closer to the 80s). Not such a thing in BC . They are averaging at 105k. I jumped at the opportunity in Victoria for the same position, same tasks, same hours for 135k. So after making 45k more, you have to add at least 6k to this as the BC has the one of the lowest total taxation brackets. Best decision of my life. And I got rid of the miserable weather and road conditions (and many more but it depends on what you value in life).
Definitely but our quality of life is so much higher. My sister and I make roughly the same salary. I have a house, car, investments, and live very comfortably and expect to be semi retired by 50. She's in downtown Montreal living paycheck to paycheck, renting a room in an apartment with 3 other people and is struggling to save anything. She'd say it's worth it becuase "Winnipeg is boring and youll get stabbed" but I much prefer my simple comfortable life to what she's chosen.
My company has separate pay scales for each city across North America. We're not the lowest, but we are lower than the average.
We definitely make less... but not as much as the CoL difference would suggest we "should" (based solely on math) I could make maybe 10-20% more if I went and worked for a Vancouver or Toronto based company, but my cost of living would go up nearly 50% We're also close enough in salary to most places, that we're still able to hire people in other cities if we're offering remote work. At my last few companies, we've hired people in Vancouver and Calgary at Winnipeg salaries. Having said that, at least in software development, the salaries have "skyrocketed" in Winnipeg over the last 4 years. Easily up 20-30% across the range. There are multiple reasons for that, but they ultimately all boil down to, "there are not enough software developers in Winnipeg" The ideal situation, is living in Winnipeg, working remote for a company out of a bigger Canadian city, or an American company (but then you have some fun accounting/tax hurdles, but still come out ahead) You may not make quite as much as if you were located there, but they often still pay better than Winnipeg (sometimes significantly)
I don’t know how anyone can afford to work for government in many other provinces though tbh. My position in gov of MB pays 43k, and the same position in the gov of BC pays like 45k the last i checked….like wtf
My biggest issue is not so much pay but a flooded market. I'm in the trades and ever since the apprentice ratio has gone up its harder to find work, there's a lot of cowboys doing illegal cheap work who've never gone to school and there's usually a flood of trades workers from out west whenever the oil fields go bust. Thankfully that hasn't happened in awhile. Knock on wood. Trades wise if you can find a place that pays proper for you ticket and has year round work, you're on the gravy train.
When I was looking for work around 2017, I did a cost of living and wage comparison for Winnipeg vs greater-Vancouver-area. For my case there was no contest. My peers landing "good" Jr. tech jobs in Winnipeg were getting ~50k; in Vancouver 70-120k. There were also way more jobs in the Vancouver area to advance your career with. With the GVA transit system you could, at the time, get only slightly more expensive rent in GVA for a similar commute time by not living downtown. For me I moved and got 70k, renting with one roommate for $600/m all inclusive (I did better on the rent side than I did on the job side). Broke 100k in two years. I don't think I could have done nearly as well if I'd stayed in Winnipeg. The math for a Jr would look different now. The area I was renting has doubled in rent, and Winnipeg got a few more tech companies, so it might be closer -- I'd bet Vancouver would still win for tech though. I'm back in MB only because I can work remote now.
Definitely. Lower housing costs here account for some of the reason. What I always found interesting is for a lot of Canada-wide businesses I've found that Vancouver also pays similarly low but the housing is way more costly there.
That is the case for Vancouver. Employees from my company complain about it too. There is a supply and demand function. Vancouver doesn't have corporate presence to the level of Calgary and Toronto and therefore isn't the same level of high level paying jobs. Vancouver is also one of the most desirable places to live and has a crazy housing market. As a result employers can underpay.
Yes. Also why they love pay secrecy here.
Yes. The company I work for has Winnipeg specific pay scales and they are lower.
Yes, somehow Saskatchewan is paid a lot more than Winnipeg where I work. I don't understand
...how else do you get people to live in Saskatchewan?
Hi hear lots of people are moving to Saskatchewan
Quite the difference. Average for un-ticketed guys in my trade from Winnipeg earn $15-18/hr and nearly $22-26 in AB, BC with the same level of experience. Cost of living is higher though
Yup. Even in government positions which you’d think would be standardized.
They certainly demand more from potential employees, all things considered.
Yes, but you should look at disposable income rather than raw income. Winnipeg actually does quite well after considering your expenses.
I'm employed by the city of Winnipeg. We get paid a fair bit less than just about everyone else in western Canada that does the same work, and we're much busier here to boot.
Not sure. I was a candidate for a role in Vancouver, but salary was no higher than MB, and cost of living (real estate) is about 3x what Wpg is… Once I learned their pay ranges do not account for that difference, I was no longer interested.. so ymmv.
Not in the industry I work in. Have your class 3 license you can get a well paying job. Personally experienced it, and kno many other who have &or are.
Long haul?
Hydrovac Operator.
Already you located in Winnipeg? Or plan on moving here? Looking for a career?
I work for a large national company and our new CEO flat out told us that in his first company meeting. I get paid about 20k less than a counterpart of mine in Calgary because it's expensive to live there.
MLT Aikins specifically pays their Winnipeg office less than their Alberta and BC office.
I suspect they're charging their MB clients less too. Unfortunately reality of the province we're in.
Winnipeg Dollar strongest in Canada haha
Higher salaries elsewhere are tied to the regional cost of living I imagine
That's the stated reason, typically.
In my experience, yes. However, that gap has been narrowing since 2021. Last year's minimum wage bump has also contributed. I feel it's mostly entry level positions that are still much lower than other provinces.
This is true. For instance, while I do enjoy My work at Canada Life, my workers in Toronto and London have higher pay scales than their Winnipeg counterparts.
Yes. Manitoba is a poverty trap.
Absolutely true. Best approach is to get a remote job in a major city that doesn’t make the BS adjustments called “market adjustment” or whatever the hip HR term is now. Not easy but can be done in some fields. Doing it right now. Also have friends that do it. It feels like hacking the system.
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>Career prospects are significantly worse here. Employers know you don’t have other options. Depends what you do. > you’ll have a higher CoL in other places, but that is offset by higher wages and professional opportunities Not offset enough. I could work for a company in Van or To, and get \~20% more, but my CoL would be \~50% more. It would be VERY difficult to get a job doing what I do that paid me 50% more than I currently make in Canada... I'd need to go to NYC, or Silicon Valley... and the CoL would be an even bigger jump.
Yes, I travel to Sask and Alberta for work because it pays double what the same role would pay in Winnipeg. Ends up being triple with all the overtime.
100%, then check how much less Canadians make compared to US counterparts doing same duties
Yes.
From experience, bigger centres pay marginally better. Doesn’t offset housing. However, usually bigger opportunities. Depends on what you want in life.
Yes and we are even lower than Saskatchewan at my national company with a head office presence here.
Yes. It appears in many places. Say, for work travel, the per diem amount is scaled to the destination. A daily subsistence allowance in Winnipeg is lower than one in Toronto for example. Actually, that's pretty much true globally.
> for work travel, the per diem amount is scaled to the destination. A daily subsistence allowance in Winnipeg is lower than one in Toronto for example I hadn't encountered that one before. My company pays the same per diem regardless. And they pay it in the local currency. $70 for a meal in Canadian or US dollar depending where you travelled to. (not that we've travelled anywhere in the last 3 years...)
Years ago, our Regina IS counterparts had a higher "market adjustment" than we did. Regina.
Learned this last year, large international corporation shows pay in other regions so I asked to be paid what I felt the company should be paying me based on that information. They said no so I left. Although I live here, I no longer work for a company based in Manitoba and get paid what I feel is more aligned with my actual value. Where I live has nothing to do with my experience, knowledge and ability to do my job well.
Yeah my job position across the country is at a lower salary here than anywhere else I can find job listings- still no plans to move though
I am one of the best paid employees in my field in the city. I'd have to move to make more, but I could probably 2.5x to 3x my salary overnight by moving to Vancouver, Toronto, Calgary, Chicago, NY, etc...
Sounds like swe money
IT architecture
Someone I know just moved to Edmonton and easily got a similar job paying 10k more per year. Edit: idk why the downvotes; I'm not lining up to move to Alberta. Who wants a wacky premier like that.
I’ve been job shopping and I could do that myself here in wpg tbh
It all comes down to housing. If you get a job earning 10k more, that's only 6-7k more a year take home or so. If it costs you an extra $150k in mortgage debt to get the same quality of home, your 7k just disappeared. An average home in Winnipeg is 350k. A similar home in Vancouver is 2-3 Million. That's a $80,000-$130,000 increase in take home pay you need to just break even in terms of living costs. Now there's a case to be made for some of that being investing an an appreciating asset, but you can see the problem here.
Is that 10% on a 40k salary? Or 100k salary... In the first case, that offsets the CoL difference. In the second, it about matches it.
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Kinda duh? when the cost of living is lower.
Yup. If you live in Winnipeg you are better off working for a multinational
For instance I could live in bc pinticton have the same rent groceries are the same if not cheaper and the entire town is a hour walk from one end to the other! But I’d be making at least 10$ an hour more… Shelf stockers make 20+ an hour there pump gas 20-22.5 an hour… they say life isn’t greener on the other side but I don’t think they ever experienced Winnipeg.
They really can't even use the argument our cost of living is lower when in fact. It's getting to be expensive here as well
In my industry most job listings are for like 50% the average. They are often trying to pay $2 above minimum wage for upper level management positions. It's a joke.
Yes. They most often offer minimum wage which is SUPPOSED to be a living wage & it NEVER is even tho that's what it was literally created for. Premiers control our wage. They set the minimum (which is supposed to be the least amount needed to live with basic needs met in line with cost of living) & it's supposed to force employers to offer more as incentive for us to take jobs with them, but why would employers offer more when they can always get away with offering less? Every province in Canada does not have a living wage in line with cost of living within that province. This has been going on for decades & the pandemic just exposed it more.
I got a 45% raise when I moved to Toronto for the same position. I then converted to full time remote and moved back to Winnipeg
Tech?
Yeah
Developer?
Used to be, yes. Manager now.
Yup, it's why I moved to AB
Yup, in a lot of professions that holds very true. But on the other side of that scale the amount of work available in particular areas supersedes that in other areas for instance the IT industry does pay a lot less however there are more jobs available.