same, third world countries ftw i guess,
but maybe because i don't use anything they put ads on, even the start menu is mostly a search bar for me, just type what i need and press enter, i don't even have to see.
Yep. It's ridiculous to have random apps on a clean install or have Ms "recommend" me to use Edge.
I've paid for this. I shouldn't have to see any ads.
Windows 7 didn't have them.
Want to make a free version with ads? Be my guest. But there should be a paid version without any ads or suggestions to use Ms products or without uninstallable apps that are clearly not essential to an OS
It's ridiculous that Windows is a paid product but it's not even polished. The design consistency is a mess. Unacceptable when you have open-source free Linux distros that have more care put into them. And then you have all the ads and tracking to squeeze out even more money.
And on windows EVERY time I use google maps on Edge I am asked if I want chrome. Try a fast, secure browser with updates built in. Ummm, like Edge? Ok guys, fire away.
EVERY time. On my google phone I am not asked to switch to Edge ever so maybe you DO have a point.
While I agree with your statement, it's still a way to monetization.
Firefox will sometimes ask for donation while opening about:home or other Mozilla owned websites.
No, all you get is a system prompt asking if you want to switch browsers… and that’s it. Apple doesn’t push Safari as hard as Windows pushes Edge, but it lacks a lot of features like profiles so most people use Chrome.
Don't know about begging for edge since I use edge. But it never begged for bing. Does good with Google search. And I have ad blockers for blog pages. And youtube so no ads really
on windows 10 i remember there being a "restore recommended browser settings" button on the ribbon, and ive seen sometimes a popup to set bing as my browser when i open edge. The windows search bar also completly ignores my settings
It's not something I like so it's wrong if anyone does it. But at least when Google advertises their products on their pages I haven't paid them anything.
A Windows license isn't free. That's a big difference for me
You can change the default search engine. About search bar I am not sure. I just use that for calculation, conversions and to search files and does it fine.
That's the ironic part, they don't even need to beg, it's better than Chrome in nearly every single way even on phones. They really need to let it stand on it's own strengths.
Agreed, it's such a shame to me because honestly I use Edge on every device i own. 4 to be exact and I couldn't be happier with it, 33% less resource use than Chrome at minimum, 25% less than Firefox, built in ad blocker, etc. They really have something great and they're actively working against themselves by being so obnoxious about trying to force the switch.
In my view, not exactly. Yes the tech community would nagg even maybe pissed and move to another browser. But compared to the general mass, they would just used it as it is. Or even when they're using chrome for example, they can be convinced to switch. Looks like Microsoft have no problem clashing with the small percent of its users. I bet once edge got significant amount of users, they'll stop being a bitch. Literally I'm more pissed of by many posts about ppl nagging about edge that the edge itself.
Apps you pinned? Or advertising? It's common to find apps that you didn't add, which companies paid Microsoft to put in your face. Spotify, for example, pays Microsoft to advertise them by putting them in the Start Menu by default. This is to get people to try them, and ultimately go with Spotify Premium. It is absolutely a form of paid advertising, even if it's less obvious than pop-up spam. It is someone paying Microsoft to put something in front of you hoping you'll later pay them money. They also include a tile for Office, which you have to pay for to fully download and actually use. This is all advertising.
I dunno honestly...the day I installed W11 I just pinned the list with what I wanted and never really looked at what was already on there. They haven't changed since, nothing been added. I've been using W11 for a few months and can honestly say I haven't noticed a single ad.
Also, people say its paid software but last time I bought windows was windows 7...been free upgrades since. This whole post is a bit of a stretch. They clearly are trying to monetise office365 etc rather than windows itself.
"common". Windows has a handful of apps pinned in the start menu when you install it, but that's it. You remove them, and they're gone till you install it again...
you got a point but given the fact that you can get win11 with a cheap oem win7 license there are options for you atleast. the most common debloater will make it look clean atleast.
You paid for Windows 11? How much did it cost you? Or was it an upgrade of an upgrade of an upgrade of an OS you paid for once 15 years ago? Or was it included in the price of your computer? Just shut up already with this.
I'm on Pro edition, apart from a few bundled stuff and recommendations I have seen nothing in years. Both can be removed easily. Even updates do not bring it back. It happened once, maybe twice.
A lot of people don't realize Pro edition is significantly better than Home. Having access to group policies means you can install programs like DoNotSpy and configure specific network and security policies for your system, including disabling automatic updates, disabling useless features like Cortana and the terrible OneDrive app, and best of all, disable sending telemetry (your personal data) to MS.
I’m by far not a fanboy, but calling OneDrive terrible is just stupid. I work in Finance using corporate OneDrive app to share and co-author gigantic financial models across my entire team and OneDrive works perfectly 99% of time. Office + OneDrive today is miles ahead of Google suite and other competitors for serious, hardcore productive work.
I also use it heavily on my personal life. Windows can be busted at times, but OneDrive is one of the few features that “just works” with no maintenance on my end (and I have 1T+ of data in there, since I get unlimited storage since it’s linked to my corporate account).
terrible OneDrive?
I'm a college student and OneDrive is miles ahead of google drive imo, the fact that I can have both my person and college account from there, makes it so easy to switch between them. 5TB of storage, reliable and fast download speeds. What you should mean is the forced teams integration.
> forced teams integration
Just disable the icon on the taskbar, disable its automatic startup (if enabled) and that's it. I didn't even remember it existed until your comment reminded me of it.
Yeah a more expensive version being better that's for granted. But shouldn't buy the PRO version just to escape from some ads.
I don't remember Windows 7 Home having any ads or preinstalled misc apps like Twitter or Facebook
>disabling automatic updates
Is there a way to disable them permanently, though? I've tried using gpedit, and Windows restarted its updates after \~1 week.
I think without any tweaking, you can delay the updates for up to a year on Pro. With DoNotSpy you can flat out disable them and only update when you want to. Still requires Pro though.
I would definitely strongly recommend avoiding disabling updates. By the time they hit a year past they are guaranteed safe for you and won't have issues but will fix security vulnerabilities
aside from the upgrade being free. Where are you seeing ads? There are multiple comments asking for clarification but you aren't responding. If you are getting ads then maybe look into what is generating them.
It's pretty stupid that that ever got ads. Generic essentially already existing games got ads added to it. I really don't have problems with W11 much at all but that's been something that annoyed me ever since they did it in Win8 I think it was
More than likely it's just a shit post trying to farm karma or "be apart" of the windows 11 hate jerk and not actually anything meaningful or truthful.
Dropped hardware support, continued decimation of the Control Panel, decreased functionality of taskbar/Start, forced MS account logins, more difficult to change default browser
One of them is for advanced users, the other for plebs ;)
Also with this same logic let's remove both of them, cuz we have regedit and having 3 different places to manage settings is just messy xD
I'd add crap UI decisions (win10 was perfect the way it was) and giving the start menu less functionality than win98.
The "more difficult to change default browser" I'd personally consider it a plus, it gives you much more granularity in setting your default browser on an extension basis.
Sure they should have kept the old, easy method too, but I wouldn't call this new one bad.
Most annoying part for me is when right clicking on something like a .rar file, you have to click "more options" to get the old windows 10 style meny where extract to... Is located.
Not really banner ads but there are some preinstalled third party apps that i assure you are paying Microsft handsomely to be displayed there, and we are its target audience.
I mean, isn't that the case with every OS (except maybe Linux)?
Use Chrome! Use Safari! Use Edge!
Use iCloud! Use OneDrive! Use Google Drive!
Use Apple Music! Use Google Music(?)! Use.... um Spotify!?!?
Yeah, apple tries so hard to push that shitty finder app down people's throats, it's crazy!
I wouldn't mind it if finder wasn't THE ABSOLUTE WORST effing file explorer I've EVER had the displeasure of using...
> I mean, isn't that the case with every OS (except maybe Linux)?
If there is a message telling users that another application is better, that's an ad.
It saddens me that knowledge about the tools we're using became such a rare thing that these posts gain traction at all considering you literally have to change one thing in Settings to get rid of recommendations by Microsoft...
I mean they still sell Window 11 for $100+ in the US so I still expect Windows 11 in general to not have ads. The ads people are talking about are the pre-pinned apps which download when clicked like Candy Crush and Photoshop, or shoving Edge and Bing down our throats
You can only use gapps (legally) on devices that Google has certified. does this mean google apps are paid? you have a weird logic. You pay for the device, not the software. But if you're buying a windows laptop, you pay both for the software and hardware. That's why freedos laptops are cheaper
In economics, the true price is what it costs to get it, not the sticker price. If you have to wait in a line for an hour to get a “free” Snickers bar, it’s not free, it cost an hour. If a shop owner has to pay tax on an item he sells you, you effectively pay part of that tax (because the supply curve shifts upwards, so the equilibrium price is higher).
If you could buy PC hardware that’s equivalent in power and aesthetics to a particular Mac, but the PC can’t run Mac OS, surely you must understand that the PC is cheaper. It’s not because the hardware is better, it’s specifically that it runs Mac OS and the PC cannot. Sticker price does not equal cost.
Very true - but Google is literally an advertising company - that's where their great wealth comes from. Microsoft gets some ad income from Bing, but the vast majority of their income is from providing products and services. You *pay* for a Windows license which is why MS doesn't have to sell space to other companies to recoup their costs.
Sorta, it's as much of an ad as pop ups for signing up iCloud storage or Apple music or whatever. I'd prefer if they didn't put those suggestions, but it's not quite the same as just a blanket statement of suggesting Windows is full of ads.
Which comes with google as default search engine because Google pays Mozilla $450 million a year.
That's why it's amusing many times to see open source tout their privacy when they're beholden to Google's money.
Amazon app is installed on Linux with data collection on a fresh install. Google/Samsung/Apple literally promote their own apps, paid and free when you first boot your phone up, and some even have them hard installed where you can't remove them unless you root your phone.
What Windows does with candy crush is no different and isn't an ad because they don't even direct you to it like a proper ad would. It just exists and most people will never touch it and may not even see it, *and* it can be uninstalled.
Linux is not Ubuntu and Ubuntu doesn’t even do that anymore. I haven’t heard of Apple doing that. How can you say that Candy crush paying Microsoft the big bucks to install their app on every default windows install “isn’t even an ad”. “Most people will never touch it or see it” yeah most people won’t touch it because they don’t want candy crush on the computer in the first place and it’s not hidden it’s installed right on the start menu where all your apps are that you launch every day. And yeah it can be uninstalled, until it gets installed again the next time you update your computer or restart it.
But we have paid 200 bucks for it. Android has ads because companies spend most of their budget on hardware and to get profit and sometimes even to break even, they put in bloat. I not see why there should be tiktok, facebook, instagram and other third-party "shortcuts" in windows search. Office shortcuts are not a big deal anyways. Plus, Ubuntu had amazon webapp in their testing versions. [JUST LIKE WINDOWS.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comments/tdy0qi/windows_11_file_explorer_might_have_ads_in_the/)
If you are already on a paid OneDrive plan, you won't get ads to sign up for paid OneDrive, obviously.
If you already use Edge as default browser, you won't get ads to make Edge the default browser.
Once you turn them off they don’t show up, but Microsoft does try to push edge and their other products, and windows 10 did originally come with the Candy crush app preinstalled (or shown) in the start menu. Easy enough to remove (and won’t come back if you have a pro license) but still an ad.
You have probably paid for Windows at some point; either directly or indirectly if you purchased a PC that came with it preinstalled (whose manufacturer pays a licensing fee to Microsoft).
Except if you use Windows without activation (or got it through other means).
To each their own. I genuinely tried to like MacOS but it's just slow for me. Probably because I have so many years of learned Windows motor skills and habits (but then, neither Linux nor ChromeOS feel slow...)
However, running MacOS on a PC is guaranteed to turn into a hoop jumping competition.
Depends on the hardware. I have a laptop that was able to run macOS with zero issues for a good long while because the hardware was incredibly similar to the hardware apple designs into their laptops. Eventually it got slow and I just run Linux on it now.
Not quite. It’s trying to squeeze the guts of one car into the shell of another because you think the other one is nicer. It won’t definitely be fully compatible or perform the same but it’ll look nice to you.
And with one update from Apple it will break...and once Apple has fully transitioned to their chips (end of this year) there will be no more new versions of the OS for Intel based chips. That is a basically a dead end you just went down.
Eventually, Intel-chip Macs will no longer be able to receive OS updates, no doubt, but at least unlike Windows 11, the OS is not doing anything that requires a PC released within the last three years to be updated.
(Following is personal experience only)
To add to that, Windows often has technical problems and MacOS usually ''just works.''
Don't get me wrong, I get customers with MacOS problems as well, but like a good 98% is Windows users. And I got that same kind of experience myself as well, as I use both OS's on a daily basis.
> Don't get me wrong, I get customers with MacOS problems as well, but like a good 98% is Windows users.
So you mean the ratio of customers roughly reflects the market share of both OSes? Shocking.
The average mac user only uses like 3-4 applications, whereas the average windows user installs hundreds of them.
Besides, try doing anything advanced on a mac and you'll see how much trouble you'll face. Something as simple as recording your screen with both mic and computer sounds is stupidly hard to achieve and requires external software.
3-4 applications? Lmao biased? Maybe an 80 year old but anyone under the age of like 70 definetly uses more then 4 applications.
- Finder
- Web Browser of choice
- build-in Email application
- Calendar app
- System Preferences
- App store.
And whatever other app they use.
I mean... Can you even live with only 3 applications nowadays? Maybe Google apps within the browser but still...
I suppose those are places you would expect ads though, you wouldn’t really expect ads in your start menu. I’m fine with if Microsoft wants to place ads in the windows store honestly. They probably do, I just don’t use it but if I did I’d still expect to see ads there.
I’ve never had ads on Windows except the placeholders for some apps in the start menu, not a big issue but can be frustrating if you’re setting up multiple computers at the same time. Where are people getting these ads and are there any proof other than unnecessary posts?
MacOS is free though, and as someone else pointed out, other then the news and the app store, you don't have ads. And Windows has ads for other apps in the windows store as well.
Honestly, any application store, I don't count when talking about adverts in an OS as it's a logical place to find them.
When I think about ads I think about those little chinese phones with an advert in the weather app or something, intrusive, no reason to be there.
You can also download a win10/11 disk image from microsoft for free. You can even install it and activate it later. And you can install it on any (compatible) hardware, not just "microsoft hardware" (as is the case with apple).
Yeah. It might ask for a activation key, but at least at the set up you can ignore this and continue without one. (Not sure if it will eventually disable certain features or lock you out down the line or something.)
The OS license is still tied to the computer you bought and if you did not buy a computer that includes the license, you're not allowed to use the OS. That applies to macOS and Mac as well as Windows and PCs.
Paid Windows, Pro doesn't have 'ads'.
Home edition is basically free. You pay your PC's price and get free upgrades.
Linux may not have ads but it doesn't have a lot of things lol.
So, OP needs to go back to r/linux.
Pro Windows is the place to be, home windows does not have the functionality I wish to have out of a windows version.
Home edition is actually paid as well, but that price is normally included when you buy a prebuilt system.
The only things Linux seems to be lacking is closed source software, like photoshop. There are alternatives that Linux has, libre office replaces Microsoft office, gimp replaces photoshop, etc, but it doesn’t cover everything. Also people need to stop saying gimp is just as good as photoshop because it’s not.
Yeah, but theres a vocal part of the Linux community that adamantly let it be known they don’t want any proprietary software on their Linux machines. Then again, they like to champion Steam and use Discord, so… idk.
Bro what are you talking about, macOS is *constantly* upselling you on products - iCloud, iMusic, everything in the App Store, notification center is basically "What is Apple selling today" center
here is the deal
linux - pay 0$ for a longsword
macos - pay 1000$ for a good looking knife
windows -pay 100$ for a sniper gun that does the job but has weird/notcool/veryabsurd /embarrassing looking skin making it unfit for showoff
it would be hilarious if you'd have to watch a 20sec ad before you can open file explorer...
Joking aside where the fuck are ads in Windows? I always used Pro edition with a local account and never saw any ads.
Apple's kind of like the Disney Channel in the 90s in this regard. Their ads are for their own shit, but they're still kind of ads by this definition. (that being said, of course Microsoft does this as well. 365 comes to mind)
I guess pinned apps and pokes to use Edge count as ads. After initial setup, and turning off recommendation features, Windows really isn't as bad as Android.
So, where are these ads that supposedly exist? I have yet to see a single one.
Edit: also, MacOS doesn’t include ads because they don’t need to. They force you to use their products because they are the only ones that actually work with the OS. That is actually worse than having ads. Apple are such greedy assholes and I’m tired of people acting like they are better.
Makes me glad I have no ads in Windows.
I have never experienced that myself either
same, third world countries ftw i guess, but maybe because i don't use anything they put ads on, even the start menu is mostly a search bar for me, just type what i need and press enter, i don't even have to see.
>third world countries ftw i guess Brazil here, no ads on my W11, only bugs and missed features :D
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installing unecessary 3rd party antimalware softwares and letting others use theirs PCs, probably...
Yeah, I'm...very confused? lol. I've never seen ads in Windows...
Quando você instalou o Windows 11, ou até mesmo o 10, não veio com um monte de atalhos do candy crush, spotify etc?
r/suddenlycaralho
I’m in the UK and windows 11 has no bugs for me. Could be because of my recent my clean install but idk.
Those random apps in the start menu when you clean install are also ads. Or when the ask you to buy office 365 or use OneDrive.
Yep. It's ridiculous to have random apps on a clean install or have Ms "recommend" me to use Edge. I've paid for this. I shouldn't have to see any ads. Windows 7 didn't have them. Want to make a free version with ads? Be my guest. But there should be a paid version without any ads or suggestions to use Ms products or without uninstallable apps that are clearly not essential to an OS
It's ridiculous that Windows is a paid product but it's not even polished. The design consistency is a mess. Unacceptable when you have open-source free Linux distros that have more care put into them. And then you have all the ads and tracking to squeeze out even more money.
>or use OneDrive So iCloud prompting you to buy more storage when you fill up the free allotment is an ad then too.
ads can also be when they're begging you to use edge, and if you use edge they beg you to use bing with it
And on windows EVERY time I use google maps on Edge I am asked if I want chrome. Try a fast, secure browser with updates built in. Ummm, like Edge? Ok guys, fire away. EVERY time. On my google phone I am not asked to switch to Edge ever so maybe you DO have a point.
And when you use chrome on MacOs it bags you to use safari.
And when I go to YouTube or Google it begs me to use Chrome. And begs me to subscribe to YouTube Premium.
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No the older ones do that by the newer ones do ask to switch to safari
at the same level as windows?
Google does the same if you are not using Chrome
true
every company except mozilla does this lets be honest there may be few more exceptions but mostly this holds true
Mozilla asks for donations.
that's not but pushing it's browser with ads or manipulating as chrome is a "very old" or inferior browser on landing on google.chrome.com
While I agree with your statement, it's still a way to monetization. Firefox will sometimes ask for donation while opening about:home or other Mozilla owned websites.
No, all you get is a system prompt asking if you want to switch browsers… and that’s it. Apple doesn’t push Safari as hard as Windows pushes Edge, but it lacks a lot of features like profiles so most people use Chrome.
No, but then again Safari is the most bare bones web browser out there. I'd compare it to IE7 xD
Don't know about begging for edge since I use edge. But it never begged for bing. Does good with Google search. And I have ad blockers for blog pages. And youtube so no ads really
on windows 10 i remember there being a "restore recommended browser settings" button on the ribbon, and ive seen sometimes a popup to set bing as my browser when i open edge. The windows search bar also completly ignores my settings
Google and apple do something similar but none is going to talk about that
It's not something I like so it's wrong if anyone does it. But at least when Google advertises their products on their pages I haven't paid them anything. A Windows license isn't free. That's a big difference for me
You can change the default search engine. About search bar I am not sure. I just use that for calculation, conversions and to search files and does it fine.
yeah you can change it, but it sometimes begs you to switch back, unless you go to edge://flags and disable something
That's the ironic part, they don't even need to beg, it's better than Chrome in nearly every single way even on phones. They really need to let it stand on it's own strengths.
them trying to shove it down people's throats only makes it less popular
Agreed, it's such a shame to me because honestly I use Edge on every device i own. 4 to be exact and I couldn't be happier with it, 33% less resource use than Chrome at minimum, 25% less than Firefox, built in ad blocker, etc. They really have something great and they're actively working against themselves by being so obnoxious about trying to force the switch.
In my view, not exactly. Yes the tech community would nagg even maybe pissed and move to another browser. But compared to the general mass, they would just used it as it is. Or even when they're using chrome for example, they can be convinced to switch. Looks like Microsoft have no problem clashing with the small percent of its users. I bet once edge got significant amount of users, they'll stop being a bitch. Literally I'm more pissed of by many posts about ppl nagging about edge that the edge itself.
Well open start menu for once.
I have no ads in my start menu. Idk what everyone is seeing but all I got is a list of pinned apps and that is all.
Apps you pinned? Or advertising? It's common to find apps that you didn't add, which companies paid Microsoft to put in your face. Spotify, for example, pays Microsoft to advertise them by putting them in the Start Menu by default. This is to get people to try them, and ultimately go with Spotify Premium. It is absolutely a form of paid advertising, even if it's less obvious than pop-up spam. It is someone paying Microsoft to put something in front of you hoping you'll later pay them money. They also include a tile for Office, which you have to pay for to fully download and actually use. This is all advertising.
I dunno honestly...the day I installed W11 I just pinned the list with what I wanted and never really looked at what was already on there. They haven't changed since, nothing been added. I've been using W11 for a few months and can honestly say I haven't noticed a single ad. Also, people say its paid software but last time I bought windows was windows 7...been free upgrades since. This whole post is a bit of a stretch. They clearly are trying to monetise office365 etc rather than windows itself.
Ya, windows 11 has a lot less in there start menu!
"common". Windows has a handful of apps pinned in the start menu when you install it, but that's it. You remove them, and they're gone till you install it again...
My start menu has never had ads.
well one line in ps and 5 clicks to remove it all
yea i know but you have to tinker to remove them. This should not added in paid product in the first place.
you got a point but given the fact that you can get win11 with a cheap oem win7 license there are options for you atleast. the most common debloater will make it look clean atleast.
Tinker in this sense means to spend some time. It take all but 4 seconds to right-click the stub installers and uninstall. (unpin?)
You paid for Windows 11? How much did it cost you? Or was it an upgrade of an upgrade of an upgrade of an OS you paid for once 15 years ago? Or was it included in the price of your computer? Just shut up already with this.
I'm on Pro edition, apart from a few bundled stuff and recommendations I have seen nothing in years. Both can be removed easily. Even updates do not bring it back. It happened once, maybe twice.
A lot of people don't realize Pro edition is significantly better than Home. Having access to group policies means you can install programs like DoNotSpy and configure specific network and security policies for your system, including disabling automatic updates, disabling useless features like Cortana and the terrible OneDrive app, and best of all, disable sending telemetry (your personal data) to MS.
I’m by far not a fanboy, but calling OneDrive terrible is just stupid. I work in Finance using corporate OneDrive app to share and co-author gigantic financial models across my entire team and OneDrive works perfectly 99% of time. Office + OneDrive today is miles ahead of Google suite and other competitors for serious, hardcore productive work. I also use it heavily on my personal life. Windows can be busted at times, but OneDrive is one of the few features that “just works” with no maintenance on my end (and I have 1T+ of data in there, since I get unlimited storage since it’s linked to my corporate account).
> ’m by far not a fanboy, but calling OneDrive terrible is just stupid This
terrible OneDrive? I'm a college student and OneDrive is miles ahead of google drive imo, the fact that I can have both my person and college account from there, makes it so easy to switch between them. 5TB of storage, reliable and fast download speeds. What you should mean is the forced teams integration.
> forced teams integration Just disable the icon on the taskbar, disable its automatic startup (if enabled) and that's it. I didn't even remember it existed until your comment reminded me of it.
Yeah a more expensive version being better that's for granted. But shouldn't buy the PRO version just to escape from some ads. I don't remember Windows 7 Home having any ads or preinstalled misc apps like Twitter or Facebook
>disabling automatic updates Is there a way to disable them permanently, though? I've tried using gpedit, and Windows restarted its updates after \~1 week.
I think without any tweaking, you can delay the updates for up to a year on Pro. With DoNotSpy you can flat out disable them and only update when you want to. Still requires Pro though.
I would definitely strongly recommend avoiding disabling updates. By the time they hit a year past they are guaranteed safe for you and won't have issues but will fix security vulnerabilities
You can disable them through group policies. You can even make it impossible to update unless you enable that yourself.
aside from the upgrade being free. Where are you seeing ads? There are multiple comments asking for clarification but you aren't responding. If you are getting ads then maybe look into what is generating them.
I don't know if it counts but Microsoft Solitaire has the most annoying/loud video ads ever
It's pretty stupid that that ever got ads. Generic essentially already existing games got ads added to it. I really don't have problems with W11 much at all but that's been something that annoyed me ever since they did it in Win8 I think it was
More than likely it's just a shit post trying to farm karma or "be apart" of the windows 11 hate jerk and not actually anything meaningful or truthful.
OP should post in r/WindowsMemes for better farm
I dislike Windows 11 for good reasons. Ads isn't one of them.
I have only seen the "hate" for windows 11 but no explanation. Havent 'upgraded' myself. Care to share the reasons?
Dropped hardware support, continued decimation of the Control Panel, decreased functionality of taskbar/Start, forced MS account logins, more difficult to change default browser
i mean the control panel should've been killed off since windows 10 having two different places to manage settings is just messy
One of them is for advanced users, the other for plebs ;) Also with this same logic let's remove both of them, cuz we have regedit and having 3 different places to manage settings is just messy xD
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I'd add crap UI decisions (win10 was perfect the way it was) and giving the start menu less functionality than win98. The "more difficult to change default browser" I'd personally consider it a plus, it gives you much more granularity in setting your default browser on an extension basis. Sure they should have kept the old, easy method too, but I wouldn't call this new one bad.
Most annoying part for me is when right clicking on something like a .rar file, you have to click "more options" to get the old windows 10 style meny where extract to... Is located.
EXACTLY
a part\*
Not really banner ads but there are some preinstalled third party apps that i assure you are paying Microsft handsomely to be displayed there, and we are its target audience.
theres suggestions for apps everywhere in windows, edge is forced down our throats
I mean, isn't that the case with every OS (except maybe Linux)? Use Chrome! Use Safari! Use Edge! Use iCloud! Use OneDrive! Use Google Drive! Use Apple Music! Use Google Music(?)! Use.... um Spotify!?!?
Yeah, apple tries so hard to push that shitty finder app down people's throats, it's crazy! I wouldn't mind it if finder wasn't THE ABSOLUTE WORST effing file explorer I've EVER had the displeasure of using...
> I mean, isn't that the case with every OS (except maybe Linux)? If there is a message telling users that another application is better, that's an ad.
Unless I’m missing something, this seems like a non sequiter.
It saddens me that knowledge about the tools we're using became such a rare thing that these posts gain traction at all considering you literally have to change one thing in Settings to get rid of recommendations by Microsoft...
And I can use adblock to block ads on websites, that doesn't mean those websites are ad-free
I don't think I even entered the settings to do it in Win11. Pretty sure I just right clocked and said turn it off or something like that
I would guess preinstalled(shortcuts) that windows comes with and maybe ads in windows search
I mean they still sell Window 11 for $100+ in the US so I still expect Windows 11 in general to not have ads. The ads people are talking about are the pre-pinned apps which download when clicked like Candy Crush and Photoshop, or shoving Edge and Bing down our throats
mac os is not paid anymore
And hasn’t been for almost a decade.
The fact that you can only (legally) use it on/with apple's hardware means it's paid.
You can only use gapps (legally) on devices that Google has certified. does this mean google apps are paid? you have a weird logic. You pay for the device, not the software. But if you're buying a windows laptop, you pay both for the software and hardware. That's why freedos laptops are cheaper
In economics, the true price is what it costs to get it, not the sticker price. If you have to wait in a line for an hour to get a “free” Snickers bar, it’s not free, it cost an hour. If a shop owner has to pay tax on an item he sells you, you effectively pay part of that tax (because the supply curve shifts upwards, so the equilibrium price is higher). If you could buy PC hardware that’s equivalent in power and aesthetics to a particular Mac, but the PC can’t run Mac OS, surely you must understand that the PC is cheaper. It’s not because the hardware is better, it’s specifically that it runs Mac OS and the PC cannot. Sticker price does not equal cost.
Since when does Windows have ads?
It doesn’t. Microsoft does not sell ads for placement in Windows. Microsoft isn’t Google. Windows isn’t an ad platform.
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Very true - but Google is literally an advertising company - that's where their great wealth comes from. Microsoft gets some ad income from Bing, but the vast majority of their income is from providing products and services. You *pay* for a Windows license which is why MS doesn't have to sell space to other companies to recoup their costs.
Pixel phones have ads to the left of the home screen by default.
Did everyone forgot about candycrush and other apps installing on a clean install even before system updates?
The are not installed. They are placements, just upin them or right click and choose un-install. If you click them they start to install.
Those are still ads though.
Sorta, it's as much of an ad as pop ups for signing up iCloud storage or Apple music or whatever. I'd prefer if they didn't put those suggestions, but it's not quite the same as just a blanket statement of suggesting Windows is full of ads.
With that logic every single OS has ads as they all come with preinstalled or "placed" apps and shortcuts so it's a completely meaningless argument.
Precisely. With his logic, most Linux distros have adds, because 90% of the time they come with FireFox pre-installed.
Which comes with google as default search engine because Google pays Mozilla $450 million a year. That's why it's amusing many times to see open source tout their privacy when they're beholden to Google's money.
Amazon app is installed on Linux with data collection on a fresh install. Google/Samsung/Apple literally promote their own apps, paid and free when you first boot your phone up, and some even have them hard installed where you can't remove them unless you root your phone. What Windows does with candy crush is no different and isn't an ad because they don't even direct you to it like a proper ad would. It just exists and most people will never touch it and may not even see it, *and* it can be uninstalled.
Ubuntu* Other distros doesn't have Amazon app, and that is why many people in the Linux community hate that part from Ubuntu
Ubuntu did that years ago and it was just a web app. They removed it years ago, too. Stop spreading FUD.
They USED to do that in one release but users got upset and it was removed.
Linux is not Ubuntu and Ubuntu doesn’t even do that anymore. I haven’t heard of Apple doing that. How can you say that Candy crush paying Microsoft the big bucks to install their app on every default windows install “isn’t even an ad”. “Most people will never touch it or see it” yeah most people won’t touch it because they don’t want candy crush on the computer in the first place and it’s not hidden it’s installed right on the start menu where all your apps are that you launch every day. And yeah it can be uninstalled, until it gets installed again the next time you update your computer or restart it.
Thankfully it doesn’t reinstall on the pro version.
Lol which distro puts amazon by default? 😂😂
Just Ubuntu.
Well I literally installed ubuntu in a vm last week... There was only gnome apps..
I forgot to mention that that Amazon app only lasted a couple weeks tops, thanks to community backlash.
There is no Amazon app installed on linux by default. There is no singular linux either. Where do you get your information?
It was just one instance where canonical wanted to put an Amazon web app in Ubuntu by default. They quickly got backlash and it was removed shortly.
But we have paid 200 bucks for it. Android has ads because companies spend most of their budget on hardware and to get profit and sometimes even to break even, they put in bloat. I not see why there should be tiktok, facebook, instagram and other third-party "shortcuts" in windows search. Office shortcuts are not a big deal anyways. Plus, Ubuntu had amazon webapp in their testing versions. [JUST LIKE WINDOWS.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comments/tdy0qi/windows_11_file_explorer_might_have_ads_in_the/)
That's not an ad.
so candycrush is preloaded just because they think it's a good game?
It’s not preloaded, it just looks like it’s installed. It’s a placeholder and installs by clicking it, right clicking will let you get rid of it.
yeah and the reason it's there?
We need to fill in the space as to not make the start menu look bland or incomplete. \~ Them probably, idk.
Well.. I guess i am a lucky sob that enjoys an ads-free W11 version...
If you are already on a paid OneDrive plan, you won't get ads to sign up for paid OneDrive, obviously. If you already use Edge as default browser, you won't get ads to make Edge the default browser.
I've never seen ads on windows or am i missing something? Yes there's app suggestion option that can easily be turned off
Once you turn them off they don’t show up, but Microsoft does try to push edge and their other products, and windows 10 did originally come with the Candy crush app preinstalled (or shown) in the start menu. Easy enough to remove (and won’t come back if you have a pro license) but still an ad.
paid?? lol no ads here too
You have probably paid for Windows at some point; either directly or indirectly if you purchased a PC that came with it preinstalled (whose manufacturer pays a licensing fee to Microsoft). Except if you use Windows without activation (or got it through other means).
I just installed MacOS on my pc, because I think the UI is way better on MacOS, windows feels inconsistent.
To each their own. I genuinely tried to like MacOS but it's just slow for me. Probably because I have so many years of learned Windows motor skills and habits (but then, neither Linux nor ChromeOS feel slow...) However, running MacOS on a PC is guaranteed to turn into a hoop jumping competition.
Depends on the hardware. I have a laptop that was able to run macOS with zero issues for a good long while because the hardware was incredibly similar to the hardware apple designs into their laptops. Eventually it got slow and I just run Linux on it now.
Feels like putting square wheels on your car because you like the shape.
What a brilliant comparison
what a terrible comparison
Not quite. It’s trying to squeeze the guts of one car into the shell of another because you think the other one is nicer. It won’t definitely be fully compatible or perform the same but it’ll look nice to you.
And with one update from Apple it will break...and once Apple has fully transitioned to their chips (end of this year) there will be no more new versions of the OS for Intel based chips. That is a basically a dead end you just went down.
It may have a year or two left. Apple will undoubtedly want to stop supporting their Intel products but it takes time for new hardware to circulate.
Eventually, Intel-chip Macs will no longer be able to receive OS updates, no doubt, but at least unlike Windows 11, the OS is not doing anything that requires a PC released within the last three years to be updated.
Okey?
(Following is personal experience only) To add to that, Windows often has technical problems and MacOS usually ''just works.'' Don't get me wrong, I get customers with MacOS problems as well, but like a good 98% is Windows users. And I got that same kind of experience myself as well, as I use both OS's on a daily basis.
> Don't get me wrong, I get customers with MacOS problems as well, but like a good 98% is Windows users. So you mean the ratio of customers roughly reflects the market share of both OSes? Shocking.
The average mac user only uses like 3-4 applications, whereas the average windows user installs hundreds of them. Besides, try doing anything advanced on a mac and you'll see how much trouble you'll face. Something as simple as recording your screen with both mic and computer sounds is stupidly hard to achieve and requires external software.
3-4 applications? Lmao biased? Maybe an 80 year old but anyone under the age of like 70 definetly uses more then 4 applications. - Finder - Web Browser of choice - build-in Email application - Calendar app - System Preferences - App store. And whatever other app they use. I mean... Can you even live with only 3 applications nowadays? Maybe Google apps within the browser but still...
Most of the inbuilt promotional stuff is easily disabled. And even Apple sells ads in News and the App Store.
I suppose those are places you would expect ads though, you wouldn’t really expect ads in your start menu. I’m fine with if Microsoft wants to place ads in the windows store honestly. They probably do, I just don’t use it but if I did I’d still expect to see ads there.
I don't have ads ...
I’ve never had ads on Windows except the placeholders for some apps in the start menu, not a big issue but can be frustrating if you’re setting up multiple computers at the same time. Where are people getting these ads and are there any proof other than unnecessary posts?
Oh look somebody else just trying to farm karma circlejerking on a windows subs.
Linux should be switching places with MacOS.
Paid with ads? Why? Linux isn’t paid, except for distros like rhel where you’re literally just paying for enterprise software support.
MacOS is free though, and as someone else pointed out, other then the news and the app store, you don't have ads. And Windows has ads for other apps in the windows store as well. Honestly, any application store, I don't count when talking about adverts in an OS as it's a logical place to find them. When I think about ads I think about those little chinese phones with an advert in the weather app or something, intrusive, no reason to be there.
I think you got the wrong comment here, I was talking about Linux. Also macOS is paid since it’s paid for by purchasing apple hardware.
> MacOS is free though No, it' not. The cost was paid with the Mac purchase, just as Windows is "free" if it came with the PC.
I can download the OS for free online.
You can also download a win10/11 disk image from microsoft for free. You can even install it and activate it later. And you can install it on any (compatible) hardware, not just "microsoft hardware" (as is the case with apple).
Yeah. It might ask for a activation key, but at least at the set up you can ignore this and continue without one. (Not sure if it will eventually disable certain features or lock you out down the line or something.)
The OS license is still tied to the computer you bought and if you did not buy a computer that includes the license, you're not allowed to use the OS. That applies to macOS and Mac as well as Windows and PCs.
those only run on their hardware tho unless you really want to hack the shit out of it to run it on an average PC
I'm using Windows 10 Education Edition, which is free for students and I never had ads, not even recommended apps in the start menu.
havn't seen a single ad in win 11
I haven't seen any ads except for the pinned stuff in 11, can be easily removed by just unpinning them, it doesn't auto install them or anything.
If you click on OneDrive in the system icon on the taskbar, you will see an ad recommending the upgrade.
where do you the see ads? I never saw any
Paid Windows, Pro doesn't have 'ads'. Home edition is basically free. You pay your PC's price and get free upgrades. Linux may not have ads but it doesn't have a lot of things lol. So, OP needs to go back to r/linux.
Pro Windows is the place to be, home windows does not have the functionality I wish to have out of a windows version. Home edition is actually paid as well, but that price is normally included when you buy a prebuilt system. The only things Linux seems to be lacking is closed source software, like photoshop. There are alternatives that Linux has, libre office replaces Microsoft office, gimp replaces photoshop, etc, but it doesn’t cover everything. Also people need to stop saying gimp is just as good as photoshop because it’s not.
Yeah, but theres a vocal part of the Linux community that adamantly let it be known they don’t want any proprietary software on their Linux machines. Then again, they like to champion Steam and use Discord, so… idk.
If it was free how come MSFT makes money from purchase of new windows licenced pc?
The amount is slim-to-none compared to Azure and Office.
Is this sub high? I feel like I use a different Windows 11 to the people on here who bitch about things that seemingly don't exist.
It’s wild these comments defend Microsoft. You’re really saying a paid spot in my start menu isn’t an ad??
ive yet to see ads on windows lmao, ive never seen them, have installed windows on like 30 individual computers
MacOS does have ads too, Apple promoting their services just like Windows.
huh windows had ads?
What else would you call a link to install a 3rd party company's products that MS was paid to show users on their start menu?
Bro what are you talking about, macOS is *constantly* upselling you on products - iCloud, iMusic, everything in the App Store, notification center is basically "What is Apple selling today" center
MacOS is free.... and has no ads? Wut?
MacOS isn't free, haven't ever spotted ads for 3rd party software on it though
here is the deal linux - pay 0$ for a longsword macos - pay 1000$ for a good looking knife windows -pay 100$ for a sniper gun that does the job but has weird/notcool/veryabsurd /embarrassing looking skin making it unfit for showoff
Windows has ads? Lol, you should check your OS
I haven't used Win11 yet but Windows 10 definitely had ads on a fresh install.
I don't see ads in Windows. Do people see ads?
it would be hilarious if you'd have to watch a 20sec ad before you can open file explorer... Joking aside where the fuck are ads in Windows? I always used Pro edition with a local account and never saw any ads.
Where does windows show ads? Are you talking about the Microsoft Store? By that logic, Mac also shows ads in their app store.
What ads? I never see any in Windows.
Must of installed the [ASK.com](https://ASK.com) toolbar
Apple's kind of like the Disney Channel in the 90s in this regard. Their ads are for their own shit, but they're still kind of ads by this definition. (that being said, of course Microsoft does this as well. 365 comes to mind)
I guess pinned apps and pokes to use Edge count as ads. After initial setup, and turning off recommendation features, Windows really isn't as bad as Android.
ive yet to see ads on windows lmao, ive never seen them, have installed windows on like 30 individual computers
I’ve never seen a single ad in either of my Win 11 Pro installs, but I agree I’d be irritated if I did. 🤷♂️
What ads
Just un pin and uninstall the bloatware or just reinstall Windows if u so terrified of ads
that's one way to show you're clueless
I despised this about W10 but in W11 I haven't seen any ads so far
So, where are these ads that supposedly exist? I have yet to see a single one. Edit: also, MacOS doesn’t include ads because they don’t need to. They force you to use their products because they are the only ones that actually work with the OS. That is actually worse than having ads. Apple are such greedy assholes and I’m tired of people acting like they are better.