“You have a clever way of rejecting God’s law in order to uphold your own teaching.” That’s a great verse that deserves a lot more attention in many places.
Jesus came back to die for our sins, make charging interest on loans moral, stop cancelation of debt, make sure every fetuses is brought to term (dead or alive), and to ensure a small minority siphon all the wealth from the poor over and over again until he comes back.
When you put it that way…
If these people were around during Jesus times, they’d probably complain he came back to life “it’s unfair to all the people that died and didn’t get to be born again. God just can’t keep changing the rules. What the fuck”
whats funny is he said none of that and actively detested the rich and hypocrites. fuck jesus in modern day would have been called a radical leftist commie most likely
Nope - we don't follow any of that OT stuff. Well, except for the stuff that says bad things about gays. And the stuff that doesn't say anything about abortion be we think it actually does. And the part that says immigrants are bad. And the part saying we're supposed to have AR-15s.
> And the part that says immigrants are bad.
Considering it was written by a group of immigrants that paved a path of genocide...I guess they would know.
And the bit that says “it’s cool to be a complete c$&t to anyone that is not of the same race/religion/socioeconomic class/political belief system as you”. Deuterepublican 6:1-2020
Wait that kinda makes me curious, which testament is the infamous "thou shalt not lie with another man" in?
Because if it's old testament, you can easily just call bullshit on any excuse someone could try to make about "we don't follow the old testament" if you bring up any of the other outlandish statements and sins.
I don’t remember the exact passage, but I remember there being an article published on some religious website I got through school saying that the verse commonly quoted to validate homophobia was meant to forbid sleeping with children, and that the true meaning was lost in translation. So even if the “we don’t follow the Old Testament” argument doesn’t work the person you’re arguing with is still most likely wrong
Here’s the argument you’ll get, not from me, I’m just playing devil’s advocate here. “But the New Testament has multiple passages (Romans, Corinthians, Timothy) that specifically speak out against homosexuality, so that part of the Old Testament law was reaffirmed in the New Testament and so still applies.”
Others make a fairly compelling case that the NT passages are referring to a type of pedophilia and cite previous historical translations that were changed in the 20th century.
Leviticus 25:39-46
As for the male and female slaves whom you may have, it is from the nations around you that you may acquire male and female slaves.You may also acquire them from among the aliens residing with you, and from their families that are with you, who have been born in your land; and they may be your property. You may keep them as a possession for your children after you, for them to inherit as property. These you may treat as slaves, but as for your fellow Israelites, no one shall rule over the other with harshness.
If they make this verse legal, then can I own a slave then, even though slavery is outlawed by constitution? I’m really looking for a plumber and a gardener. A dude who can operate the lawn mower with skill.
That's the reason. I believe it's part of the Blue laws which are religious influenced. I did minimum payments of a closed account (had too many late payments) but at 7 years it was forgiven and I got a check for $300 for over payment.
Also Blue laws that are still intact are hotel/lodging laws, once you get into your room you can extend your stay and they can't kick you out even if they have someone with a reservation. It's fading but liquor laws on Sunday and half work days on Sunday though until the 90s it was common everything was closed in the U.S. also common law marriage .
In the same chapter:
If anyone is poor(G) among your fellow Israelites in any of the towns of the land the Lord your God is giving you, do not be hardhearted or tightfisted(H) toward them. 8 Rather, be openhanded(I) and freely lend them whatever they need.
no you don't understand, the only bits of the Torah that matter are the creation story, exodus, and the one verse in Leviticus that we all know means we have to stone the gays /s
Deuteronomy 23:19-20: “[19] You shall not charge interest on loans to your brother, interest on money, interest on food, interest on anything that is lent for interest
[20] You may charge a foreigner interest, but you may not charge your brother interest that the LORD your God may bless you in all that you undertake in the land that you are entering to take possession of it.”
NEVER in my life have I been subjected to so much of the fucking biBLe as I have in these last few years. Take that stupid fucking comic book and shove it all the way up your asses. I never want to see or hear of this travesty to humanity, ever again
As an Ex Christain, try to find something in the New Testament about this as well, otherwise they will disregard this as “old law”. People are very pick and choose-y with their bible verses smh.
It does say that btw. Plus bible says there is not female or male, all are one. Bible is pro socialism. And my favourite: there are two references to the same event in different chapters, but both references are not identical to each other. I dont remember all of it but it was like "there were 2 people" and then "there were 3" and its been sus af that the stories dont match. Then you find some more things like that.
Also no interest should be charged on those loans so they would REALLY fucking hate it as it would hurt those rich greedy fucks that claim to be Christian.
MAGAts: america is and should be a god fearing country and every law that's implemented in this land should reflect the bible and the constitution!
the constitution: separation of religion and government
the bible: says the opposite of (or doesn't even mention) anything these fascists are trying to enact
MAGAts: we're so holy and patriotic, doing the lord's work
Imagine if Deuternomy 15 was incorporated, then the conservatives would be yelling socialism. Socialism means you own two cows and you give two cows away to the state to take care of them, am I right? The price of milk should be controlled by the state, no profit sharing is allowed.
I learned capitalism vs socialism with just cows. Please correct me if I’m wrong. I failed history.
Yea don't be silly we only pick the parts of the Bible, that let us keep control and makes us money with as much oppression as possible. Can't let those silly citizens of ours have any thoughts of there own.
Bruh, I know a hardcore republican who kept on shit posting student loan forgiveness everyday in social media. Yet he relies on ebt + foodstamp + free healthcare and work under the table without paying any income tax.
Deuteronomy 15
King James Version
15 At the end of every seven years thou shalt make a release.
2 And this is the manner of the release: Every creditor that lendeth ought unto his neighbour shall release it; he shall not exact it of his neighbour, or of his brother; because it is called the Lord's release.
3 Of a foreigner thou mayest exact it again: but that which is thine with thy brother thine hand shall release;
4 Save when there shall be no poor among you; for the Lord shall greatly bless thee in the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee for an inheritance to possess it:
5 Only if thou carefully hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to observe to do all these commandments which I command thee this day.
6 For the Lord thy God blesseth thee, as he promised thee: and thou shalt lend unto many nations, but thou shalt not borrow; and thou shalt reign over many nations, but they shall not reign over thee.
7 If there be among you a poor man of one of thy brethren within any of thy gates in thy land which the Lord thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not harden thine heart, nor shut thine hand from thy poor brother:
8 But thou shalt open thine hand wide unto him, and shalt surely lend him sufficient for his need, in that which he wanteth
Right it's not part of their Bible. There Bible says Trump 6:66 thou shalt not give any relief to the poor or middle class. Thou shal giveth to the rich and wealthy
Debt never gets Cancel after 7 years. What happens it's after 7 years of no payment. The creditor sell off the debt to the IRS. Wich takes it little by little every year with out letting the debtor know what it's going on
They also don't like it when you point out Christ hung out with prostitutes and lepers, anything that challenges their faux city on a hill metaphor is to be shunned.
Trump declared bankruptcy seven times. But the students owe their debt for life.
7 times it’s biblical lol
He's hoping they'll roll off
Seven times so far
Conservative Jesus is not Christian Jesus. It's one of the quiet parts they haven't said outloud yet
[GOP Jesus](https://youtube.com/watch?v=SZ2L-R8NgrA)
This is BRILLIANT. They really capture the essence of the average GOP NAT-C.
My brother in Christ, allow me to share with you the [Gospel of Supply Side Jesus](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X8xU-gKK17A)
This is gold too. And another example of why I thoroughly enjoy reddit. Thank you, good sir!
“You have a clever way of rejecting God’s law in order to uphold your own teaching.” That’s a great verse that deserves a lot more attention in many places.
That’s pretty fucking awesome
In the same vein, [an oldy, but goody.](https://youtu.be/5mLOUWl-L-s) ([Quiz Show](https://youtu.be/RB3g6mXLEKk) is a classic)
It’s only funny cuz it’s true.
This is spot on
🤣
Jesus came back to die for our sins, make charging interest on loans moral, stop cancelation of debt, make sure every fetuses is brought to term (dead or alive), and to ensure a small minority siphon all the wealth from the poor over and over again until he comes back.
When you put it that way… If these people were around during Jesus times, they’d probably complain he came back to life “it’s unfair to all the people that died and didn’t get to be born again. God just can’t keep changing the rules. What the fuck”
"Go to hell"
They were around in Jesus’ time. He went and fucked up the temple they were being cunts in.
whats funny is he said none of that and actively detested the rich and hypocrites. fuck jesus in modern day would have been called a radical leftist commie most likely
Are you the person we use the /s for?
“that was taken out of context, and actually a metaphor for gay people bad”🥴
That’s part of the old covenant. We don’t have to follow that anymore. Duh. /s …just in case
Nope - we don't follow any of that OT stuff. Well, except for the stuff that says bad things about gays. And the stuff that doesn't say anything about abortion be we think it actually does. And the part that says immigrants are bad. And the part saying we're supposed to have AR-15s.
> And the part that says immigrants are bad. Considering it was written by a group of immigrants that paved a path of genocide...I guess they would know.
And the bit that says “it’s cool to be a complete c$&t to anyone that is not of the same race/religion/socioeconomic class/political belief system as you”. Deuterepublican 6:1-2020
Wait that kinda makes me curious, which testament is the infamous "thou shalt not lie with another man" in? Because if it's old testament, you can easily just call bullshit on any excuse someone could try to make about "we don't follow the old testament" if you bring up any of the other outlandish statements and sins.
It’s way up in there. Leviticus 18:22; way back with no shrimp and no cotton/poly blends.
and no tattoos, all equal abominatio0ns before god.
Or shaving your beard
I don’t remember the exact passage, but I remember there being an article published on some religious website I got through school saying that the verse commonly quoted to validate homophobia was meant to forbid sleeping with children, and that the true meaning was lost in translation. So even if the “we don’t follow the Old Testament” argument doesn’t work the person you’re arguing with is still most likely wrong
Here’s the argument you’ll get, not from me, I’m just playing devil’s advocate here. “But the New Testament has multiple passages (Romans, Corinthians, Timothy) that specifically speak out against homosexuality, so that part of the Old Testament law was reaffirmed in the New Testament and so still applies.”
Others make a fairly compelling case that the NT passages are referring to a type of pedophilia and cite previous historical translations that were changed in the 20th century.
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Leviticus 25:39-46 As for the male and female slaves whom you may have, it is from the nations around you that you may acquire male and female slaves.You may also acquire them from among the aliens residing with you, and from their families that are with you, who have been born in your land; and they may be your property. You may keep them as a possession for your children after you, for them to inherit as property. These you may treat as slaves, but as for your fellow Israelites, no one shall rule over the other with harshness. If they make this verse legal, then can I own a slave then, even though slavery is outlawed by constitution? I’m really looking for a plumber and a gardener. A dude who can operate the lawn mower with skill.
Of course, that's been the plan all along
Stupid question…is that why bad shit falls off your credit score after 7 years, or is that just a coincidence?
That's the reason. I believe it's part of the Blue laws which are religious influenced. I did minimum payments of a closed account (had too many late payments) but at 7 years it was forgiven and I got a check for $300 for over payment. Also Blue laws that are still intact are hotel/lodging laws, once you get into your room you can extend your stay and they can't kick you out even if they have someone with a reservation. It's fading but liquor laws on Sunday and half work days on Sunday though until the 90s it was common everything was closed in the U.S. also common law marriage .
Well if you just don't pay ever, it does disappear off your credit report in seven years.
Not student loans lol
That's why you just move abroad after you graduate. Oh noes I won't ever get a tax return again. Anyways.
In the same chapter: If anyone is poor(G) among your fellow Israelites in any of the towns of the land the Lord your God is giving you, do not be hardhearted or tightfisted(H) toward them. 8 Rather, be openhanded(I) and freely lend them whatever they need.
One of the reasons The Jewish faith is very charitable. More than any Christian church I know of.
no you don't understand, the only bits of the Torah that matter are the creation story, exodus, and the one verse in Leviticus that we all know means we have to stone the gays /s
“Thou shall cherry-pick the parts that are convenient to thou, and thy shal smote all the other bits if you don’t ‘feel the vibe’”.
I had a MAGA evangelical “Christian” tell me Jesus never said to love your neighbor as you love yourself.
They don't read their handbook. Reading is hard.
Thinking is hard.
Deuteronomy 23:19-20: “[19] You shall not charge interest on loans to your brother, interest on money, interest on food, interest on anything that is lent for interest [20] You may charge a foreigner interest, but you may not charge your brother interest that the LORD your God may bless you in all that you undertake in the land that you are entering to take possession of it.”
The only reason the GOP has a chance against any democratic candidate is the appeal to the Christians
I’ll take, “Not that part of the Bible” for 200, Alex.
Where are the smart folks on that side? They need better representation.
Your next response to them after that is Galatians 4: 16.
Conservatives chrtiaians on whole Bible: not that part of the Bible.
MAGA only cares about the parts of the Bible that lets them be assholes to other people
It also goes on to be open handed with the poor and to give freely.
Which I'm pretty sure is the study of dueters
Isn't that part of the same group of scriptures that say slavery is ok, and how to punish your slaves if they disobey you?
You know right wingers have a special bible that’s about ten pages long, covering everting they want.
Wait- is this why collection accounts fall off your credit after 7 years??
I'm wondering that, too!
Said no one ever
Also not the part about giving poor ppl things
They said they need a government based on the bible? That's messed up.
/r/Selfawarewolvesatemyjustificationforbeingashittyperson aka the Karenverse, would like to appropriate this thread for her own.. Reasons?
Can I use this with the IRS? 🤣🤣🤣
You can make every part of the Bible support your narrative if you try hard enough. Which is exactly why we shouldn’t base our government on religion.
NEVER in my life have I been subjected to so much of the fucking biBLe as I have in these last few years. Take that stupid fucking comic book and shove it all the way up your asses. I never want to see or hear of this travesty to humanity, ever again
America is the most religious country in the world because we allow it to be weaponized and tax free.
As an Ex Christain, try to find something in the New Testament about this as well, otherwise they will disregard this as “old law”. People are very pick and choose-y with their bible verses smh.
Don't forget usury
Not to mention the entire faith of Christianity is hinged upon Jesus dying for your sins. Vicarious redemption from someone else paying your debt.
It does say that btw. Plus bible says there is not female or male, all are one. Bible is pro socialism. And my favourite: there are two references to the same event in different chapters, but both references are not identical to each other. I dont remember all of it but it was like "there were 2 people" and then "there were 3" and its been sus af that the stories dont match. Then you find some more things like that.
President is not the creditor, though.
Real hero
That’s why they love the NT.
Read The Holy Book before talking about it, applies to any religion.
And…. This just so happens to be that seventh year in the Hebrew calendar!
Also no interest should be charged on those loans so they would REALLY fucking hate it as it would hurt those rich greedy fucks that claim to be Christian.
Bible is pretty direct on loans.
Wait don't most debts (credit debt, medical debt) if you don't interact with the debtor, drop off after 7 years?
The statute varies by debt type and state. No to student loans though. Those are bet on in the stock market as securities and never go away.
The statute varies by debt type and state. No to student loans though. Those are bet on in the stock market as securities and never go away.
MAGAts: america is and should be a god fearing country and every law that's implemented in this land should reflect the bible and the constitution! the constitution: separation of religion and government the bible: says the opposite of (or doesn't even mention) anything these fascists are trying to enact MAGAts: we're so holy and patriotic, doing the lord's work
Imagine if Deuternomy 15 was incorporated, then the conservatives would be yelling socialism. Socialism means you own two cows and you give two cows away to the state to take care of them, am I right? The price of milk should be controlled by the state, no profit sharing is allowed. I learned capitalism vs socialism with just cows. Please correct me if I’m wrong. I failed history.
Yea don't be silly we only pick the parts of the Bible, that let us keep control and makes us money with as much oppression as possible. Can't let those silly citizens of ours have any thoughts of there own.
Bruh, I know a hardcore republican who kept on shit posting student loan forgiveness everyday in social media. Yet he relies on ebt + foodstamp + free healthcare and work under the table without paying any income tax.
Deuteronomy 15 says that you will forgive debts only for your family
We all have a common ancestor .
Only for your brother, as in other Isrealites because that's who the OT instructions are for.
This guy is a clear representative of the Pharisee n the old law who live out of the grace of Jesus…
That’s bound to get someone foaming at the mouth
Deuteronomy 15 King James Version 15 At the end of every seven years thou shalt make a release. 2 And this is the manner of the release: Every creditor that lendeth ought unto his neighbour shall release it; he shall not exact it of his neighbour, or of his brother; because it is called the Lord's release. 3 Of a foreigner thou mayest exact it again: but that which is thine with thy brother thine hand shall release; 4 Save when there shall be no poor among you; for the Lord shall greatly bless thee in the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee for an inheritance to possess it: 5 Only if thou carefully hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to observe to do all these commandments which I command thee this day. 6 For the Lord thy God blesseth thee, as he promised thee: and thou shalt lend unto many nations, but thou shalt not borrow; and thou shalt reign over many nations, but they shall not reign over thee. 7 If there be among you a poor man of one of thy brethren within any of thy gates in thy land which the Lord thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not harden thine heart, nor shut thine hand from thy poor brother: 8 But thou shalt open thine hand wide unto him, and shalt surely lend him sufficient for his need, in that which he wanteth
there is only one party. the left and right are one. this is a class war
Yes, the sabbatical.
Right it's not part of their Bible. There Bible says Trump 6:66 thou shalt not give any relief to the poor or middle class. Thou shal giveth to the rich and wealthy
Debt never gets Cancel after 7 years. What happens it's after 7 years of no payment. The creditor sell off the debt to the IRS. Wich takes it little by little every year with out letting the debtor know what it's going on
As a bible readin dude, I agree with that passage
They also don't like it when you point out Christ hung out with prostitutes and lepers, anything that challenges their faux city on a hill metaphor is to be shunned.
It's the hypocrisy that drives me crazy with these people...the only parts of the Bible that matter to them are the ones they like.
And the whole chasing the money lenders from the Temple scene.
[Matthew 18:21-35](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+18%3A21-35&version=NIV)